Radahn, Miquella, Ranni, Malenia... The Lands Between is basically a cosmic soap opera, and we’re just here stirring the pot. If you’re into the lore as deep as I am, let’s chat about how messed up this whole situation is! Which demigod’s story blows your mind the most?
10 headless demigods. I mean, those corpses in the walking mausoleums are all children of Marika, yet we know nothing about who they were and what they did. Only that they failed to meet their mother's expectations and were discarded for it.
@@Владислав-ы9м5у oohhh so true!! They are a huge mystery!! Also she must have some sort of very serious hierarchy-plan for her children. Like some are left in another land, some locked in the underground, some killed.. and some kept around. like whats the way she judges?!
I think Godwyn was absolutely intended to be the final boss of SOTE, but was changed to Radahn somewhat late into development. There are several things in the base game connecting Godwyn & Miquella (Golden Epitaph, Castle Sol & Walking Mausoleums, statue in the Haligtree) and Godwyn returning would not be a retcon or deviate from the base game’s lore at all considering it’s a fantasy world with arcane death magic and a Shadow Realm upon which “all manners of Death” wash up. The reason Miquella failed to restore Godwyn’s soul the first time was not because the Eclipse happened and didn’t work, it was because the Eclipse couldn’t happen in the first place, due to Radahn holding the stars in stasis. This is why we needed to kill Radahn to enter the DLC, because Miquella needed the stars to resume their movements for the Eclipse ritual. Then he’d have brought Godwyn’s soul back, in Mohg’s body, as his consort. This would explain the battle of Aeonia as well; Malenia tried, but failed, to kill Radahn so the Eclipse could happen. Also, Miquella’s dialogue in Radahn’s phase 1 cutscene: “… and my Lord Brother’s soul will return.” and his phase 2 dialogue: “Lord Brother. At long last, you are returned.” make no sense for two reasons. For one, ‘at long last’ doesn’t make sense considering Radahn has only been dead for however much time we spend in the DLC. Secondly, when he says “…my Lord Brother’s soul will return,” as well as “…at long last you are returned,”Radahn’s soul is already present in Mohg’s body. It’s not like we’re there to see his awakening, he’s standing and ready to fight when we enter the fog gate. This is why I think these lines were originally intended to be used in a cutscene for the Promised Consort Godwyn fight, and that they were repurposed when they had to make the change from Godwyn to Radahn. The Gate of Divinity looks like it’s just begging for an Eclipse to happen right there, for the Eclipse to then drip light into the opening below with which Godwyn’s soul would be restored in Mohg’s body. It’s a shame we were robbed of such an experience. Radahn and Miquella had no connections in the base game besides the battle of Aeonia, which would make more sense in the context of Radahn preventing Miquella’s Eclipse from taking place, making Aeonia more of a Miquella-Godwyn connection anyways. And no, the description on the Young Lion set “revealing” what Malenia said in that story trailer is not proof that they planned Radahn’s place as Miquella’s consort from the start. We had no idea what she was saying back when it release and I don’t think FromSoft did either, they could have had different ideas for the story back then and planned for her to be saying something completely different. They could have told us she was whispering the beginning of the Bee Movie in that scene and we’d have no choice but to believe them because that’s all we have to go off of. It shoulda’ been Godwyn.
@@LeggoMyGekko this is fantastic. I've always been too lazy to type out the whole explanation of why the Radahn/Miquella thing made no sense but you said it better than I ever could have. I hope all the people that keep defending the Radahn ending come across this comment because they would have no arguments.
Yes, this is a very nice plot and it does stand. The "at long last" for me could also be intended as that Radahn didnt die back when Malenia went to kill him and so Miquella had to wait for us. But, that stands both ways and your version does indeed make even more sense as it would have been nice to see the eclipse happening. And killing Radahn would have definitely made that happen. 👏 i like this
@@Sercroc nothing in game implies that Destined Death has the power to completely annihilate a soul, or that it’s some kind of “perma-death.” Simply that it could kill demigods who were otherwise immortal. If anything Ranni & Godwyn’s were more like half-deaths, so even if DD were implied to have such an effect, it would have only had half the effect on each affected party due to the cursemark being split.
The game was almost remarkably clear that the greater will is gone. Has been gone. It is exerting no current will on the lands between. It’s pawns The fingers and Elden beast are continuing to run the show to the best of their abilities. But without leadership or guidence.
i like the speculations you used to fill the gaps and connect the timelines, nobody talked about it before. and how do you only jave 24 subs?! here comes your 25 th ❤😊 great video
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! When I learned that Radahn was Miquella's consort, I had to find the link there as it was driving mad 😅 You really need let your imagination run wild to connect the dots in this game!
I think Radhan did it all of his own volition, about the stars. It's a point that he's a golden order sucker and that he fanboys Godfrey, so when Ranni destroys everything, he, another child of Carian descent who knows about the stars guiding their destiny, just holds them in place, fitting perfectly in Miquella's plan
It's definitely a good explanation and very possible! Whatever the reason, he was definitely try to stop Ranni and maybe made up the Sellia excuse himself...
Finally. Even though most of this is speculation, your telling of events actually makes the SotE ending make the most sense of it all. I personally wasn't too thrilled with Radahn being the tie to it all but like I said, your story makes it ALL click in a way I never considered. Thank you!!
Thank you! I thought the same when I first heard of Radahn as the final boss in the DLC, more than that I was like WTF Radahn WITH Miquella? It made no sense, at all! But then if you start seeing the big picture and consider all the characters, yes, with a lot of speculation added on top, it kinda make sense, in my opinion. Also, to me Ranni story and her killing Godwyn never made sense. Bit with THIS plot, it fits in very well! Thanks for watching ;)
Elden ring timeline from what I know, - Miquella leaves the golden order - Creates Haligtree society - Night of knives - Shattering - Miquella enter his Haligtree - Malenia heads off to fight Radhan - St.Trina begins to appear in the world - Mogh sneaks in and steals Miquella - Ansbach fight miquella, loses - Mogh feed him his blood, kills miquella and is sent to the lands of shadow and St.trina disappears from the world - Torrent and Miquella meet - Miquella and Milena meet - Miquella sends Milena back with torrent to the lands between - Milena finds the Tarnish and the game begins - Tarnished is used by both ranni and miquella to kill radhan
I like this. Torrent definitely deserves a video of his/her own. And you’re right there is definitely something that links Torrent to all these characters!!
poor Rhadan , the man just wanted to stay awey from all and ride His beloved horse . But other Girls and some Boys whantes him in all kind of ways .. ALL kind of WAYS .
My personal theory is that in some way it was supposed to be Godwyn but to save on assets it was changed to Radahn to be re-used. I feel like someone high up on the team shipped Miquella and Radahn together and somehow bewitched enough people to follow along that it became cannon. Probably incorrect but that's what I'm currently thinking.
Rahdan was popular. If they went with Godwyn, they need to model a completely new boss. I wish Fromsoft added the dumbmest easter egg where a statue of Miquella turns into a statue of Patches just to troll the community.
We are all scratching our heads over the Radahn angle, it seems to come out of left field with no foreshadowing. I would have rather fought Kind Miquella all by himself than have a reused Radahn ridden like poor his poor horse.
Right? It’s a bit out there but I feel it could really fit a manipulative miquella scenario! Plus while I do believe Radahn was protecting Sellia I haven’t found another super strong theory for why. But Im sure there is something about the nox there and maybe even the giant heads that I’m also missing.
Look, I'm walking here. Thats my policy, my tarnished goes around and people come and mess him up, he don't know what's on the other side of these fog gates, he's just walking around. If Miquella was chill and just sitting there as a weird god then my tarneshed would be like, "Bet, aight have fun, any cool shit laying around? Dont mind me, I'm gonna take a selfie, love what you've done with the place." and then he'd leave. Case and point; Priscilla didn't start nothing and got nothing. My tarnished only acted in self defense really. Not to mention you can just hand over those great runes cuz Rennala didn't die and niether did Miquella when he just dropped it on the side of the road.
Side note. Due to Alberich's dialogue, we know Mohg was charmed before Miquella entered the Hallingtree. Alberich challenged Miquella after Mohg was charmed and was charmed himself. This couldn't have happened after Mohg took the coccon because we can see that while the coccon is torn, it wasn't opened. Thus Alberich must have attacked Miquella before Miquella went in the coccon, which would have been before the Shattering and all that entailed. Miquella staged the kidnapping, which means he abandoned his sister and all the Hallingtree's refugees willingly to death by Scarlet Rot.
Yes, that’s something for the timeline. “Alberich” definitely had to challenge miquella before the cocoon thing and so mohg was charmed before the kidnapp. And now that you mention it. In the ER intro trailer, we see mohg with miquella, not a cocoon. I wonder what that means and how is linked 🤔🤔🤔
@@AmeliaAeon Miquella like Ranni plans several steps ahead of everyone else and tends to be underestimated due to his appearance. My guess is after the failure to resurrect Godwyn at Castle Sol, Miquella went to Plan B: Rahdan. That involved finding a suitable vessel and when he looked around he decided that no one would miss Mohg. Then I think he arranged a meeting, the image in the trailer, by some means and charmed Mohg. Ansbach challenges Miquella, fails, Miquella goes back to the Hallingtree and sets his sister to kill Rahdan, fakes the kidnapping, leaves his sister and the Hallingtree people to rot (literally), does the whole pre-DLC stuff in Lands of Shadows, then died at the Tarnished's hands.
I have had an alternative theory cooking for sometime, see I don't think Miquella ever planned on Godwyn ever being his consort, namely because without Godwyn's death, Marika never loses her resolve and shatters the elden creating causing the shattering war creating the opportunity for Miquella to ascend to Godhood in the 1st place. No I suspect Miquella in fact not only had a unseen hand in the Night of Black Knives I think it was he who specifically selected Godwyn for assassination and commanded the Black knife Assassins to do so having them betray Ranni not only because foresaw the effect it would have on his mother's resolve to keep the Golden order going but to intentionally sabotage Ranni's ultimate ambitions and to protect his desired consort Radahn who I believe was Ranni's intended target that night. Think about it Radahn being slain in Godwyn's place would have been a 2 for 1 advance of her ultimate plan: shedding her empyrean flesh while freeing her suspended fate held back by Radahn. As things played out by Miquella's design he brought down the Golden Order clearing a path to establishing his own while effectively neutralizing Ranni the lone Empyrean that could rival him for an entire age (possible forever without Tarnished's intervention on Ranni's behalf) This explains why Ranni & her crew appear to be in direct conflict with Black Knife Assassins since the immediate aftermath of Night of Black Knives with Ranni imprisoning their leader Alecto in the Evergoal on the Moonlight Altar and Black Knife Assassins attacking Blaidd and slaying Iji upon Ranni freeing fate and slayer her fingers becoming a viable threat to their true master Miquella's grand design/ambition to ascend to Godhood. I'm not sure why but most people seen to miss the fairly obvious connection to Miquella and the Black Knife Assassins in Ordinia where not only is the Black Knife Assassins armor set located, but hosts the largest number of living Black Knife Assassins in the game all of which just so happen to be guarding the seal to Haligtree in service of Miquella. To think the Golden Boy Miquella had accounted for everything (even played Ranni for a chump using her own talents to advance his ambitions as he sabotaged hers on the sly) but his own mother's contingency plan: the Tarnished the exiled warriors & kin to her discarded Consort who only grow stronger in the face of death so long as their ambition burns until at last they become the unthinkable: mere humans that can slay even a God
Wow, this is an incredible point of view and it really stands! although the idea of Ranni wanting to assisinate Radahn is a little sad it makes so much sense! You have really looked at this from a new and very interesting angle! I really like it! And you are right, the assassins and Miquella are definitely overlooked... They mean much more to the lore than we have given them credit for! Thank you so much for sharing your theory and stopping by!! Lot to think about now :)
@@AmeliaAeon Thanks for taking the time to actually read through all that. TBT even if my theory is deluded rabbit hole diving on my part, Elden Ring is one big family tragedy, wife and husband abandoning their spouses when they've served their purpose, siblings at each other throats, plotting to kill and manipulate each other, with the most loyal and dutiful family members being the among the most rejected and discarded ones by the family Matriarch: Morgott and Messmer.
@@Terminalsanity But of course! I love various theories, especially the ones that are completely off from my ideas as it gives me new perspectives! Your theory is pretty interesting and I think it can be sustained with the lore! But yes, Messmer and Morgott are the saddest stories which kind of show us what a cold creature Marika can be!
Ahh, I like that reasoning, as I too thought that Miquella just used and then discarded Malenia to further his goals. Also, an "age of compassion" from someone who already was a sociopath even before discarding all aspects that made him human sounds kinda sus, ngl.
Thank you! That thought has been spinning in my head for a while but I feel like in the DLC we really get proof that poor Malenia was just totally used! I mean she was an Empyrean FFS and never even stood a chance to try and go get her fate? It just doesnt add up until you get the "Miquella-manipulation-thing" into the picture. And yes, Miquella is totally a sociopath! Easy to bring on any sort of age if none has any free will left...
@@Psychx_ I disagree he's a sociopath. I think he's basically a child with the power to bewitch and command and was desperate to make a world that wasn't so harsh. But because he was cursed with eternal childhood he was thinking and planning like a child and was unable to see the larger picture or long term consequences of his actions or of becoming a full fledged god.... he's still doing bad and manipulative things but in his childlike mind it's all worth it for the world to have an age of peace and compassion. I think he had truly good intentions but hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
@luckyowl6432 I really like the point of view that Miquella being a child, thinks and act like one. This is a really interesting way of seeing this part of the lore, and I havent seeing this exact theory before! Nice thinking!
I think that The night of the black knives was orchestrated originally by Miquella and maybe Marika (I think Marika would help Miquella in becoming a god and remember what she said about her sons and daughters being sacrifices if they cannot become great?) Ranni found out about his plan and made one of her own, no plan needed, just slay her flesh at the same time of godwyn's death, so that one soul and one body will die.. and that's why "Godwyn SHOULD have died a true death", because he was a sacrifice for Miquella's godhood, destined to die and be reborn as his lord, but Ranni intervention ruined everything, and so the eclipse was never complete, just a half circle, wow this game. Edit: Actually Ranni could have known about the plot of Miquella and just betrayed him at the end slaying her own flesh. Miquella could had had Ranni join in because he needed someone with knowledge of the occult and sorceries but he trusted the wrong person as we can see Sorry for my english it's not my native language
Wow this is wild! I love it! It really stands, it also give us Godwyn as the original consort: Miquella plan was being enacted fine and Ranni steps in for whatever reason and ruins it so Miquella has to start from 0. This is brilliant! I love this angle! And no worries your english is good! It's not the first language for many of us but it's great that there is a language we can use to overcome language barriers ;) Thanks for stopping by and sharing your theory!
@@AmeliaAeon thank you without your video I would never had thought of this, I think the reason for Ranni would "simply" be to enact her own plan of becoming a God, it's fun to me that Miquella had a great plan with killers and a whole eclipse based thing with the mark of death being full placed on godwyn's body just for Ranni to come and use his plan as a mean to her end, ruining the eclipse, the godhood of Miquella and creating (I hope inadvertedly) the deathroot plague.. I hope the future Ranni promised us would be worth all this mess
Very good scenario! And then Ranni stole a fragment of the rune of death to kill herself, not to kill Godwyn like we all thought! Would this help to explain why she (Ranni) gave the The Blasphemous Claw to Rykard? 🤔
@@AmeliaAeon Yeah I think so, I think Ranni entrusted Rykard with the Claw as a last resort in case Maliketh ever found out what she have done. Or maybe, and I think this is more plausible, Ranni was on the plan with Miquella as she says that it was her who engraved the black knives' knives with the rune of death, I think she betrayed Miquella in the end by keeping a knife imbued in destined death for herself to use, that would explain how she exactly knew what time godwyn was going to die. And for the blasphemous claw the same theory keeps up, Rykard was the only demigod who was still on Ranni's side or at least not against her, so it makes sense that she would "use" him as a defense against Maliketh.. obviously counting she didn't know he will be eaten by a giant snake god
Right?! Miquella’s plan really does mess with your head! And when you put the other step-sibiling into it the Lands Between become a wild place indeed. Thanks for watching 🤍
If you consider Italy as part of the Caribbean sure 😅 It's funny cause none ever picks up my accent for some reason! I heard greek, russian... but Caribbean is new! I love it! 🤍
You know what doesn´t make sense, why would Miquella want Radahn to protect Sellia, also how can it be Miquelas plan to halt Ranni´s plan to Godhood by KILLING RADAHN, the thing that is literally holding her fate in stasis, that is as dumb as it gets if youu want to prevent Ranni while ascending yourself. Why did Radahn´s soul "wash up" at the damned gate of divinity also makes zero sense.
Ok, so Miquella didn't care about Sellia but he may have used it as an excuse to "convince" Rahdan as he is the one that cared about Sellia... If Miquella told him to halt the stars to block Ranni's plan, Rahdan may have not agreed to and Miquella may have given away too much of his plan.. Now Miquella needs some time to go to the Land of Shadow and sort out his business. While he does so, he needs Ranni to be blocked and unable to ascend to godhood before he does. This is why Rahdan is holding the stars for Miquella. To buy him time and Stop Ranni. Rahdan in my opinion is not aware of Miquella plan, When Miquella is done in the Land of Shadow, that's when Rahdan needs to die to become his Lord. This is just my theory for this video and how I puzzled all the gossip together. There are a lot of other scenarios that people have pointed out and are still valid :)
I personally am agaisnt the idea the miquella purposely manipulated Malenia in any way with his charm powers. His Charm power is actually not very strong and Ansbach, Hornsent and Leda all prove that they have their own goals and they still pursue them despite being charmed. Malenia loyalty was won not by charms but by the dedication of miquella to cure her and improve her life. He was the one that wove unalloyed gold into her body, created the needle to stop the rot and was the creator of her prosthetics and armor. She clearly developed a complex for her brother and only wished to protect him and the fact she still willingly calls herself blade of Miquella is proof enough she was not charmed. Miquella goal drove him from the golden order, pushed him to grow his Haligtree, forced him to leave his other half St.Trina* and ultimately allowed him to become a God. *St. Trina own power to put people to sleep and allow her to walk in order people's dream is not capable of curing Malenia's Scarlet Rot.
This is definitely a plausible theory! There is no proof whatsoever that Miquella charmed Malenia. It’s just a theory that, if not disproven, could potentially stand. But a charmed Malenia fits this plot nicely in my opinion. The fact that Miquella was helping her could definitely be a factor to influence her loyalty! The lore of this game is so tangled 😅
@@AmeliaAeon Yeah, the lore definitely feels tangled but this part of the lore is definitely written by GRRM. I expect many will view miquella as evil but his like his mother, he just wants to help the people he loves. It's what makes the minor erdtree incantation heartbreaking to see.
Ye, it make sense, I do find myself constantly wondering wether Marika was good or evil.. and now same for Miquella I guess. It's like Unity in Rick and Morty if you know what I'm saying.. like it's so immoral but it was actually better when she has control over everyone 😂 where do we draw the line????
Radahn, Miquella, Ranni, Malenia... The Lands Between is basically a cosmic soap opera, and we’re just here stirring the pot. If you’re into the lore as deep as I am, let’s chat about how messed up this whole situation is! Which demigod’s story blows your mind the most?
10 headless demigods. I mean, those corpses in the walking mausoleums are all children of Marika, yet we know nothing about who they were and what they did. Only that they failed to meet their mother's expectations and were discarded for it.
@@Владислав-ы9м5у oohhh so true!! They are a huge mystery!! Also she must have some sort of very serious hierarchy-plan for her children. Like some are left in another land, some locked in the underground, some killed.. and some kept around. like whats the way she judges?!
@@Владислав-ы9м5у also my mind always made me wonder if their missing heads were linked to the faces on the godskin apostles clothes…
I think Godwyn was absolutely intended to be the final boss of SOTE, but was changed to Radahn somewhat late into development. There are several things in the base game connecting Godwyn & Miquella (Golden Epitaph, Castle Sol & Walking Mausoleums, statue in the Haligtree) and Godwyn returning would not be a retcon or deviate from the base game’s lore at all considering it’s a fantasy world with arcane death magic and a Shadow Realm upon which “all manners of Death” wash up.
The reason Miquella failed to restore Godwyn’s soul the first time was not because the Eclipse happened and didn’t work, it was because the Eclipse couldn’t happen in the first place, due to Radahn holding the stars in stasis. This is why we needed to kill Radahn to enter the DLC, because Miquella needed the stars to resume their movements for the Eclipse ritual. Then he’d have brought Godwyn’s soul back, in Mohg’s body, as his consort. This would explain the battle of Aeonia as well; Malenia tried, but failed, to kill Radahn so the Eclipse could happen.
Also, Miquella’s dialogue in Radahn’s phase 1 cutscene: “… and my Lord Brother’s soul will return.” and his phase 2 dialogue: “Lord Brother. At long last, you are returned.” make no sense for two reasons. For one, ‘at long last’ doesn’t make sense considering Radahn has only been dead for however much time we spend in the DLC. Secondly, when he says “…my Lord Brother’s soul will return,” as well as “…at long last you are returned,”Radahn’s soul is already present in Mohg’s body. It’s not like we’re there to see his awakening, he’s standing and ready to fight when we enter the fog gate.
This is why I think these lines were originally intended to be used in a cutscene for the Promised Consort Godwyn fight, and that they were repurposed when they had to make the change from Godwyn to Radahn. The Gate of Divinity looks like it’s just begging for an Eclipse to happen right there, for the Eclipse to then drip light into the opening below with which Godwyn’s soul would be restored in Mohg’s body. It’s a shame we were robbed of such an experience.
Radahn and Miquella had no connections in the base game besides the battle of Aeonia, which would make more sense in the context of Radahn preventing Miquella’s Eclipse from taking place, making Aeonia more of a Miquella-Godwyn connection anyways. And no, the description on the Young Lion set “revealing” what Malenia said in that story trailer is not proof that they planned Radahn’s place as Miquella’s consort from the start. We had no idea what she was saying back when it release and I don’t think FromSoft did either, they could have had different ideas for the story back then and planned for her to be saying something completely different. They could have told us she was whispering the beginning of the Bee Movie in that scene and we’d have no choice but to believe them because that’s all we have to go off of.
It shoulda’ been Godwyn.
@@LeggoMyGekko this is fantastic. I've always been too lazy to type out the whole explanation of why the Radahn/Miquella thing made no sense but you said it better than I ever could have. I hope all the people that keep defending the Radahn ending come across this comment because they would have no arguments.
Yes, this is a very nice plot and it does stand. The "at long last" for me could also be intended as that Radahn didnt die back when Malenia went to kill him and so Miquella had to wait for us. But, that stands both ways and your version does indeed make even more sense as it would have been nice to see the eclipse happening. And killing Radahn would have definitely made that happen. 👏 i like this
yeah the only thig against this is that with destined death you are completely fucked, no turning back form that, so no godwyn, never godwyn
@@Sercroc nothing in game implies that Destined Death has the power to completely annihilate a soul, or that it’s some kind of “perma-death.” Simply that it could kill demigods who were otherwise immortal. If anything Ranni & Godwyn’s were more like half-deaths, so even if DD were implied to have such an effect, it would have only had half the effect on each affected party due to the cursemark being split.
@@LeggoMyGekko gowyn s your proof, nothing can bring him back. the demigods are immortal because marika took out the the deathrune form the elden ring
The game was almost remarkably clear that the greater will is gone. Has been gone. It is exerting no current will on the lands between. It’s pawns The fingers and Elden beast are continuing to run the show to the best of their abilities. But without leadership or guidence.
i like the speculations you used to fill the gaps and connect the timelines, nobody talked about it before. and how do you only jave 24 subs?! here comes your 25 th ❤😊 great video
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! When I learned that Radahn was Miquella's consort, I had to find the link there as it was driving mad 😅 You really need let your imagination run wild to connect the dots in this game!
I think Radhan did it all of his own volition, about the stars. It's a point that he's a golden order sucker and that he fanboys Godfrey, so when Ranni destroys everything, he, another child of Carian descent who knows about the stars guiding their destiny, just holds them in place, fitting perfectly in Miquella's plan
It's definitely a good explanation and very possible! Whatever the reason, he was definitely try to stop Ranni and maybe made up the Sellia excuse himself...
Finally. Even though most of this is speculation, your telling of events actually makes the SotE ending make the most sense of it all. I personally wasn't too thrilled with Radahn being the tie to it all but like I said, your story makes it ALL click in a way I never considered. Thank you!!
Thank you! I thought the same when I first heard of Radahn as the final boss in the DLC, more than that I was like WTF Radahn WITH Miquella? It made no sense, at all! But then if you start seeing the big picture and consider all the characters, yes, with a lot of speculation added on top, it kinda make sense, in my opinion.
Also, to me Ranni story and her killing Godwyn never made sense. Bit with THIS plot, it fits in very well!
Thanks for watching ;)
Elden ring timeline from what I know,
- Miquella leaves the golden order
- Creates Haligtree society
- Night of knives
- Shattering
- Miquella enter his Haligtree
- Malenia heads off to fight Radhan
- St.Trina begins to appear in the world
- Mogh sneaks in and steals Miquella
- Ansbach fight miquella, loses
- Mogh feed him his blood, kills miquella and is sent to the lands of shadow and St.trina disappears from the world
- Torrent and Miquella meet
- Miquella and Milena meet
- Miquella sends Milena back with torrent to the lands between
- Milena finds the Tarnish and the game begins
- Tarnished is used by both ranni and miquella to kill radhan
I like this. Torrent definitely deserves a video of his/her own. And you’re right there is definitely something that links Torrent to all these characters!!
poor Rhadan , the man just wanted to stay awey from all and ride His beloved horse . But other Girls and some Boys whantes him in all kind of ways .. ALL kind of WAYS .
@@denis4082 lol you totally get it!
My personal theory is that in some way it was supposed to be Godwyn but to save on assets it was changed to Radahn to be re-used.
I feel like someone high up on the team shipped Miquella and Radahn together and somehow bewitched enough people to follow along that it became cannon.
Probably incorrect but that's what I'm currently thinking.
I honestly love this, this is even better than my theory at this point lol
Also, yes, can you imagine designing Godwyn fight?
Rahdan was popular. If they went with Godwyn, they need to model a completely new boss.
I wish Fromsoft added the dumbmest easter egg where a statue of Miquella turns into a statue of Patches just to troll the community.
lol that'd be great!
We are all scratching our heads over the Radahn angle, it seems to come out of left field with no foreshadowing. I would have rather fought Kind Miquella all by himself than have a reused Radahn ridden like poor his poor horse.
@@zaphael7238 lol although the horse wishes Radahn was as light as Miquella
As wild as the "sellia lie theory" seems. I can definitely see it fitting in the story nicely
Right? It’s a bit out there but I feel it could really fit a manipulative miquella scenario!
Plus while I do believe Radahn was protecting Sellia I haven’t found another super strong theory for why.
But Im sure there is something about the nox there and maybe even the giant heads that I’m also missing.
Look, I'm walking here. Thats my policy, my tarnished goes around and people come and mess him up, he don't know what's on the other side of these fog gates, he's just walking around. If Miquella was chill and just sitting there as a weird god then my tarneshed would be like,
"Bet, aight have fun, any cool shit laying around? Dont mind me, I'm gonna take a selfie, love what you've done with the place." and then he'd leave. Case and point; Priscilla didn't start nothing and got nothing. My tarnished only acted in self defense really. Not to mention you can just hand over those great runes cuz Rennala didn't die and niether did Miquella when he just dropped it on the side of the road.
Im so on edge in this game that by the time I'm half hour in I just attack anything that moves... runes dropping or not.
Side note. Due to Alberich's dialogue, we know Mohg was charmed before Miquella entered the Hallingtree. Alberich challenged Miquella after Mohg was charmed and was charmed himself. This couldn't have happened after Mohg took the coccon because we can see that while the coccon is torn, it wasn't opened. Thus Alberich must have attacked Miquella before Miquella went in the coccon, which would have been before the Shattering and all that entailed. Miquella staged the kidnapping, which means he abandoned his sister and all the Hallingtree's refugees willingly to death by Scarlet Rot.
Who tf is alberich?
@@josephnarvaez9507 The spell checker's idea of how Ansbach should be spelled.
*Ansbach. The spell checker doesn't have that word in memory and switched out the closest English name equivalent. Sigh.
Yes, that’s something for the timeline. “Alberich” definitely had to challenge miquella before the cocoon thing and so mohg was charmed before the kidnapp.
And now that you mention it. In the ER intro trailer, we see mohg with miquella, not a cocoon. I wonder what that means and how is linked 🤔🤔🤔
@@AmeliaAeon Miquella like Ranni plans several steps ahead of everyone else and tends to be underestimated due to his appearance. My guess is after the failure to resurrect Godwyn at Castle Sol, Miquella went to Plan B: Rahdan. That involved finding a suitable vessel and when he looked around he decided that no one would miss Mohg. Then I think he arranged a meeting, the image in the trailer, by some means and charmed Mohg. Ansbach challenges Miquella, fails, Miquella goes back to the Hallingtree and sets his sister to kill Rahdan, fakes the kidnapping, leaves his sister and the Hallingtree people to rot (literally), does the whole pre-DLC stuff in Lands of Shadows, then died at the Tarnished's hands.
I have had an alternative theory cooking for sometime, see I don't think Miquella ever planned on Godwyn ever being his consort, namely because without Godwyn's death, Marika never loses her resolve and shatters the elden creating causing the shattering war creating the opportunity for Miquella to ascend to Godhood in the 1st place. No I suspect Miquella in fact not only had a unseen hand in the Night of Black Knives I think it was he who specifically selected Godwyn for assassination and commanded the Black knife Assassins to do so having them betray Ranni not only because foresaw the effect it would have on his mother's resolve to keep the Golden order going but to intentionally sabotage Ranni's ultimate ambitions and to protect his desired consort Radahn who I believe was Ranni's intended target that night. Think about it Radahn being slain in Godwyn's place would have been a 2 for 1 advance of her ultimate plan: shedding her empyrean flesh while freeing her suspended fate held back by Radahn. As things played out by Miquella's design he brought down the Golden Order clearing a path to establishing his own while effectively neutralizing Ranni the lone Empyrean that could rival him for an entire age (possible forever without Tarnished's intervention on Ranni's behalf)
This explains why Ranni & her crew appear to be in direct conflict with Black Knife Assassins since the immediate aftermath of Night of Black Knives with Ranni imprisoning their leader Alecto in the Evergoal on the Moonlight Altar and Black Knife Assassins attacking Blaidd and slaying Iji upon Ranni freeing fate and slayer her fingers becoming a viable threat to their true master Miquella's grand design/ambition to ascend to Godhood. I'm not sure why but most people seen to miss the fairly obvious connection to Miquella and the Black Knife Assassins in Ordinia where not only is the Black Knife Assassins armor set located, but hosts the largest number of living Black Knife Assassins in the game all of which just so happen to be guarding the seal to Haligtree in service of Miquella.
To think the Golden Boy Miquella had accounted for everything (even played Ranni for a chump using her own talents to advance his ambitions as he sabotaged hers on the sly) but his own mother's contingency plan: the Tarnished the exiled warriors & kin to her discarded Consort who only grow stronger in the face of death so long as their ambition burns until at last they become the unthinkable: mere humans that can slay even a God
Wow, this is an incredible point of view and it really stands! although the idea of Ranni wanting to assisinate Radahn is a little sad it makes so much sense! You have really looked at this from a new and very interesting angle! I really like it!
And you are right, the assassins and Miquella are definitely overlooked... They mean much more to the lore than we have given them credit for!
Thank you so much for sharing your theory and stopping by!! Lot to think about now :)
@@AmeliaAeon Thanks for taking the time to actually read through all that.
TBT even if my theory is deluded rabbit hole diving on my part, Elden Ring is one big family tragedy, wife and husband abandoning their spouses when they've served their purpose, siblings at each other throats, plotting to kill and manipulate each other, with the most loyal and dutiful family members being the among the most rejected and discarded ones by the family Matriarch: Morgott and Messmer.
@@Terminalsanity But of course! I love various theories, especially the ones that are completely off from my ideas as it gives me new perspectives!
Your theory is pretty interesting and I think it can be sustained with the lore! But yes, Messmer and Morgott are the saddest stories which kind of show us what a cold creature Marika can be!
Ahh, I like that reasoning, as I too thought that Miquella just used and then discarded Malenia to further his goals. Also, an "age of compassion" from someone who already was a sociopath even before discarding all aspects that made him human sounds kinda sus, ngl.
Thank you! That thought has been spinning in my head for a while but I feel like in the DLC we really get proof that poor Malenia was just totally used! I mean she was an Empyrean FFS and never even stood a chance to try and go get her fate? It just doesnt add up until you get the "Miquella-manipulation-thing" into the picture.
And yes, Miquella is totally a sociopath! Easy to bring on any sort of age if none has any free will left...
@@Psychx_ I disagree he's a sociopath. I think he's basically a child with the power to bewitch and command and was desperate to make a world that wasn't so harsh.
But because he was cursed with eternal childhood he was thinking and planning like a child and was unable to see the larger picture or long term consequences of his actions or of becoming a full fledged god.... he's still doing bad and manipulative things but in his childlike mind it's all worth it for the world to have an age of peace and compassion.
I think he had truly good intentions but hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
@luckyowl6432 I really like the point of view that Miquella being a child, thinks and act like one. This is a really interesting way of seeing this part of the lore, and I havent seeing this exact theory before! Nice thinking!
Come on radahns scarier than any other demigod than your going to find in the lands between
Imagine fighting zombie Godwyn though.... lol
I think that The night of the black knives was orchestrated originally by Miquella and maybe Marika (I think Marika would help Miquella in becoming a god and remember what she said about her sons and daughters being sacrifices if they cannot become great?)
Ranni found out about his plan and made one of her own, no plan needed, just slay her flesh at the same time of godwyn's death, so that one soul and one body will die.. and that's why "Godwyn SHOULD have died a true death", because he was a sacrifice for Miquella's godhood, destined to die and be reborn as his lord, but Ranni intervention ruined everything, and so the eclipse was never complete, just a half circle, wow this game.
Edit: Actually Ranni could have known about the plot of Miquella and just betrayed him at the end slaying her own flesh.
Miquella could had had Ranni join in because he needed someone with knowledge of the occult and sorceries but he trusted the wrong person as we can see
Sorry for my english it's not my native language
Wow this is wild! I love it! It really stands, it also give us Godwyn as the original consort: Miquella plan was being enacted fine and Ranni steps in for whatever reason and ruins it so Miquella has to start from 0.
This is brilliant! I love this angle!
And no worries your english is good! It's not the first language for many of us but it's great that there is a language we can use to overcome language barriers ;)
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your theory!
@@AmeliaAeon thank you without your video I would never had thought of this, I think the reason for Ranni would "simply" be to enact her own plan of becoming a God, it's fun to me that Miquella had a great plan with killers and a whole eclipse based thing with the mark of death being full placed on godwyn's body just for Ranni to come and use his plan as a mean to her end, ruining the eclipse, the godhood of Miquella and creating (I hope inadvertedly) the deathroot plague..
I hope the future Ranni promised us would be worth all this mess
Very good scenario! And then Ranni stole a fragment of the rune of death to kill herself, not to kill Godwyn like we all thought!
Would this help to explain why she (Ranni) gave the The Blasphemous Claw to Rykard? 🤔
@@AmeliaAeon Yeah I think so, I think Ranni entrusted Rykard with the Claw as a last resort in case Maliketh ever found out what she have done.
Or maybe, and I think this is more plausible, Ranni was on the plan with Miquella as she says that it was her who engraved the black knives' knives with the rune of death, I think she betrayed Miquella in the end by keeping a knife imbued in destined death for herself to use, that would explain how she exactly knew what time godwyn was going to die.
And for the blasphemous claw the same theory keeps up, Rykard was the only demigod who was still on Ranni's side or at least not against her, so it makes sense that she would "use" him as a defense against Maliketh.. obviously counting she didn't know he will be eaten by a giant snake god
@@giorgiocotogno3903 Yep that really stands!!! 👏
you LORE make me mind blow by Miquella Plan and how mess up the Lands Between are
Right?! Miquella’s plan really does mess with your head! And when you put the other step-sibiling into it the Lands Between become a wild place indeed. Thanks for watching 🤍
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If you consider Italy as part of the Caribbean sure 😅 It's funny cause none ever picks up my accent for some reason! I heard greek, russian... but Caribbean is new! I love it! 🤍
@AmeliaAeon Ayyyye. My hype has not changed lol 😂 Suscribed 💪🏾
@@bw5020 thank you so much!!!! 🤩🥳
You know what doesn´t make sense, why would Miquella want Radahn to protect Sellia, also how can it be Miquelas plan to halt Ranni´s plan to Godhood by KILLING RADAHN, the thing that is literally holding her fate in stasis, that is as dumb as it gets if youu want to prevent Ranni while ascending yourself. Why did Radahn´s soul "wash up" at the damned gate of divinity also makes zero sense.
Ok, so Miquella didn't care about Sellia but he may have used it as an excuse to "convince" Rahdan as he is the one that cared about Sellia... If Miquella told him to halt the stars to block Ranni's plan, Rahdan may have not agreed to and Miquella may have given away too much of his plan..
Now Miquella needs some time to go to the Land of Shadow and sort out his business. While he does so, he needs Ranni to be blocked and unable to ascend to godhood before he does.
This is why Rahdan is holding the stars for Miquella. To buy him time and Stop Ranni. Rahdan in my opinion is not aware of Miquella plan,
When Miquella is done in the Land of Shadow, that's when Rahdan needs to die to become his Lord.
This is just my theory for this video and how I puzzled all the gossip together. There are a lot of other scenarios that people have pointed out and are still valid :)
I personally am agaisnt the idea the miquella purposely manipulated Malenia in any way with his charm powers. His Charm power is actually not very strong and Ansbach, Hornsent and Leda all prove that they have their own goals and they still pursue them despite being charmed. Malenia loyalty was won not by charms but by the dedication of miquella to cure her and improve her life. He was the one that wove unalloyed gold into her body, created the needle to stop the rot and was the creator of her prosthetics and armor. She clearly developed a complex for her brother and only wished to protect him and the fact she still willingly calls herself blade of Miquella is proof enough she was not charmed. Miquella goal drove him from the golden order, pushed him to grow his Haligtree, forced him to leave his other half St.Trina* and ultimately allowed him to become a God.
*St. Trina own power to put people to sleep and allow her to walk in order people's dream is not capable of curing Malenia's Scarlet Rot.
This is definitely a plausible theory! There is no proof whatsoever that Miquella charmed Malenia. It’s just a theory that, if not disproven, could potentially stand.
But a charmed Malenia fits this plot nicely in my opinion.
The fact that Miquella was helping her could definitely be a factor to influence her loyalty!
The lore of this game is so tangled 😅
@@AmeliaAeon Yeah, the lore definitely feels tangled but this part of the lore is definitely written by GRRM. I expect many will view miquella as evil but his like his mother, he just wants to help the people he loves. It's what makes the minor erdtree incantation heartbreaking to see.
Ye, it make sense, I do find myself constantly wondering wether Marika was good or evil.. and now same for Miquella I guess. It's like Unity in Rick and Morty if you know what I'm saying.. like it's so immoral but it was actually better when she has control over everyone 😂 where do we draw the line????