AOE2:DE | TheViper vs 3 Extreme AI (3rd Attempt)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ย. 2024
- Having another go at the 3 Extreme AI!
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You wouldnt be able to win if there was King Sancho ... Beating some pleb AI, like who the hell is Min Bin
wood plz
King Sanch would mock you with his endless requests for wood and out of nowhere win the day.
Min Bin Slackin
And there is no Charlemange unlike the last game...
*laughs in AoM's Markland and Bubastis*
Keep pumping out the content you make my day every single day
Less than three
Team up with Daut or someone and do 2 v 6!
Oh yesssss, please! xD
2vs4 but have king sancho vs daut
He already did that. With Tatoh.
That would be 1v7 then
I loved those barbarian ai videos
The attacks of the Cavalary was just weird. AOE-Team really need to fix this.
I think AI calculates and finds a win. Viper microes, AI recalculate after some dead units and run away.
@@eget4144 True. May a answer for some scenes.
@@eget4144 Which if true is absolutely primitive programming which should have been reworked immediately after testing.
@@eget4144 Really looks like that. I guess the AI calculates at least after each killed or created unit. That's why the AI sometimes moves back and then again moves up directly after because perhaps some unit got created which promised a win. Should be fixe though imo
@@diebergruft which meam bad AI in the end. the retreat thresold should be much higher. especially in team game.
They finally taught the AI how to retreat but it seems to like that option too much :D
Must've been a french programmer
1 victory in 3 attempts. Not great, not terrible. Sounds like Silver medal.
I rate it 3.6.
You are dellusional...
Yeah, I agree but I think he should start a new tournament against 3 AI's. Because he clearly got better and more experienced with extreme AI. Best of 8 games maybe.
Archers probably were super strong because the AI acted super weird with the retreating all the time for no reason. The game went really well, but if it weren't for red being flawed enough to resign with 2 teammates left and if the knights actually attacked the archers, this might have gone the other way.
It could have gone bad, but I'm glad he went for archers as the superior choice. In the 1v2 he mixed archers in and steamrolled which made him overconfident. Each game since then was just scouts but enemy vills fight back, so less useful. Archers can really abuse the fact vills dont run until you attack them, and use single archers to zone out whole areas of the base. I think even if red didnt resign, Viper probably could have parked 5 xbows/arbs on standground and controlled his ability to gather res.
You could actually trade with Blue's market after he resigned. A good source of gold
@Osiedlony because the gold income from the trading cart scales expontially with the distance to the market its assigned to
@Osiedlony well vills give you no gold after they mine everything(except selling in market when they gather something else)
But trade cart on large enough distance can pay itself off in just one trip and than after that its literally unlimited and fast source of gold
Still plenty gold mines around the map, which is a faster gold income, no need to invest into trade till that runs out.
They really need to improve that AI.. knights non stop running back and red resigning in a team game
would be sick if you played two human players against 6 AI
Tatoh and Viper already tried that and won quite a while back. He was Cumans though, what a try hard >:
Lame Gamer not true
it's easy just take out 2 of the 6 by Persian douche strat. AI isn't programmed to give up lost position and rebuild TC elsewhere they will try to resist and die. I am the worst noob ever and I beat Extreme AI with Persian douche cause they try to win the TC fight and lose all and then resign. So after that it is 2vs4 and I think even though they would fall behind at the start they would manage to hold and win the game, since the AI does not get very aggressive before Imp.
My fav series shiit so glad to see this
Love the amount of work and commitment you put into uploading content.
They send them one by one and then the only time it was a group they turned back
What's going on with the AI
extreme AI King Sancho beats Daut
Viper beats three extreme AI at once
So obviously Viper beats three Daut at once
Even the great viper gets surprised "where'd my army go?"
I'd bet if someone offered him a thousand bucks he'd beat these guys no problem.
Yeah, let's give him more excuses.
@Marat V He still wasn't 100% try hard mode, he put random civ, just testing what happens
40 min eh? Seems more promising, lezzgo
It's increasing every time
My thought
Red resigned when his teammates could have just traded to him to help.
Maybe the whole game would have been different if Vipers had to chase every vill to finally end the red ai
Really enjoyed these AI matches. Please do more
I'm sure we would all love to see this edition to give birth to much more pro players and see bigger competition on the world stage
Finally a channel that shares my name. but always remember… voodoo one vipers on station. your journey ends here pilot the skies belong to me. nowhere to run… nowhere to hide
biper with best aoe content on youtube, congrats on finally winning!
AI team gave Viper a lot of slack in this game (premature resigning, retreating from winning battles), because Viper was loosing so much recently.
Just a heads up, Viper, the Siege of Paris is considerably easier on this version. I'm looking forward to that video.
which mission was that? I just finished joan campaign a few days ago on the highest difficulty...
@@kitnomad4061 5th
Do you get more than a scout and a militia as reinforcements? 🤔
They just reduced the number of longbows
just treb the trees and, switch your diplomic status to neutral for your teal ally, treb through the back, profit
Villager at 15:37 was doing some insane micro!
After those criminal, Viper vs. 3-4 AI games, i was honestly expecting by the end of this serial a "2 TheViper vs. 1 Extreme AI" stand up. But u did it Snek gg wp, noob ai, ez
Whenever I play teamgames, there are always a guy that play like red and resign in either feudal or early castle
Going to grab my popcorn for when you beat 4 of them.
Lmao same
I think they retreat because the AI calculates that they are losing the fight in that moment (which can be wrong)
I guess they bug out when u rush them sometimes and stops making units and resigns
You needed docks.
My guess is that the AI is trying to "regroup" their army and wait for reinforcments but obviosly doing a really bad job at it and against archers it's especially bad idea.
If the AI did not do the dumb thing with cavalry by pulling them back I'm not sure you would have won that.
sees 40mins+ video, expects good things.
Viper, I have a question, did you recorded this on the Beta days of after release?
This is not beta
Spoiler
looks like blue resigned just as you had 3x their team points and red as you hit 5x
Also looks like green did at 5x teamscore
haven't seen that going back behavior before
gg !!! It looked absolutely impossible last times
Fantastisk video! Jeg alltid lærer med den.^^
The knights were probably running away from your crossbowmen due to hill advantage. Great content!
Loved it. Congratulations! Kinda sucks that you didn't show the stream chat this time
26:22 "He's ramming me."
Good to see Viper finally getting out of his 1v1 mindset. Still a long way to go but improvement is clear.
*The good ol' crossbow rush*
been waiting for this
Maybe the AI defaults to having its units on "Defensive" unless its attacking? That would explain why they're running back, but only when you're attacking their base.
For the problem with sending villagers: perhaps it's the same as with the Blacksmith's tech and the 'W' shortcut for ArcheryRange. Are there the same shortcuts for stopping villagers and perhaps 'w' or something else?
1v4 Obsidian Arrows
I love this series of vids
AoE needs DeepLearning AI.
And in no time it would be dodging ballistics and converting everything.
Man it would be super cool if alpha zero deep mind tried it's hand at this
15:52 Call PETA.
Now you are readyfor 1v7 ;)
@Ulf Knudsen But he only cheesed them on migration with a relic win. :D
So being 'Gold Blocker' is the best way against Extreme AI
finally! you did it!
This guy is such a good learner. To think he was only a silver player a few days ago.
GG - I see you too are still shooting the pig twice, old habits die hard. :)
with the aoe2 HD edition I remember I could take on multiple ai opponents by rushing to feudal and then fully committing my economy to a mega tower rush on all opponents at once. Does this new ai know how to deal with towers?
cant believe u didnt take revenge for the last game and put a mining camp in their face
way too fair vipa
4th one in hard would be cool! Adding extra AIs can be super challenging even if not in top diff
Is that tourny on Voobly?? Or through DE ( if DE and not HD)
Viper finally walls but then he doesn't need it. GG though, all that micro with those archers is a lot of work.
Nice job!
Tried this, enemy ran up at me with 30 crossbowmen at min 10. Grew suspicious towards this not being a replaced AI file.
my i3 2100 series preocessor in my 2011 fujitsu laptop should be able to handle this game right ? It only has integrated graphics btw.
Ethiopian Archers were key in this game, such a great unit.
Hey comment lads, I have a question.
Bought the game, but having some troubles running it even with a GTX 1080 and a 8th gen I5. Like, once in game there are no problems, but loading the game itself or loading maps can cause my game / computer to crash. Any ideas why?
Nice vid tho! well done :D
Reinstal? Verify cash? Update Geforce Nvidia Experience drivers? Lower ingame settings? Maybe resolution like fullscreen of windowed can effect performance here? When running the game, leave taskmanager open to track CPU and GPU performance so when it crashes you may see that your CPU hits 100%
If none of this helps I guess your processor isnt able to keep up with the game.
I have a I7 66k and no real problems when loading games but when I start spam clicking the loading screen while loading it freezes for a couple secs, so loading is a bit intensive in AOE 2DE
Read on reddit\aoe2 about increasing PAGEFILE SIZE to solve those crashes. Take a look there.
why isn't the AI making skirms, or another counter unit?? Especially when it first seen you with all those archers ! Great content Viper!!!!
So technically still human era, not sure when the 1v1 super ai will appear for aoe2
1wptjdm check out alpha star it’s a machine learning AI being tested for Starcraft 2. It can beat master, grandmaster, and even pro players. Artosis casts a video of TLO vs alpha star (TLO is a pro player from team liquid) and the AI wins a commanding victory. It actually does stuff like multi prong attacks, raiding your economy, and some incredible human like micro with ranged units.
This extreme AI was not created to be unbeatable it's designed to be difficult but still fun. If developer's would've had the intention of making extreme ai as good as it gets they would just realease a machine learning program to play in ranked for some time to gather data and in few months viper would not be able to beatthat kind of AI
That makes me think that i cant even defeat the medium ai :(
just put 2 castles and 6 towers in the middle of the map then build tons of trebuchet and it's easy win
@@OmynonaThanks i will try
@TheViperAOC can you add the date again?
before you sometimes had something like this Video was recorded on march 7 2018 or so.
Sorry I'm new so this is maybe dumb to ask, but when does the AI "decide" to resign?
Silver boy winning against the AI??? What kind of madness is this?
I feel like you could use what you learned here against 4 or even 5 AI if you picked your civ. Imagine Saracen archers (or Mayans with obsidian arrows) against these guys.
Do you think viper would have won if red hadn't resigned and the knight attack/ retreat micro worked properly though? Still felt close but good to see the win finally.
Nice you won :)
But idd, Red resigned toooo fast, Green retreating when he was winning, gifting you all his units this way :)
I thought you killed the trade faster, since you noticed it already 5 mins before :)
You could have traded yourself with an enemy :)
Also idd very weird that your vills run around the map, in more videos :D
And your army suddenly vanished by running into another weird direction you probably didnt choose, or by mistake :p
Will you make more videos of this 1v3? or go 1v4?
Since this didn't feel like the most convincing win, more like they lost it:D
Nice job vyper. You are almost with more subs than t90. U deserve it more
You should've built a mine camp in their face
Just because they're AI doesn't make them less than you, Viper
Do best players in AoEII switch to Definitive Edition or stick to HD?
OVERLAY oh wait this is youtube
Halbs mangonels should do the job.
I beleive in u vipaaaaa
We really need a learning AI that is constantly improving...
That's not easy to make though
Abadacus.
Why don't you use small trees + grid lines ?
I was sure you can do it! Can we please see the team now? You, Daut and Tati vs 5? Or maybe try a different lineup with Jordan and Nili? Thanks for the video. Cheers!
1 vs4 gogogo
Whats the advantage of clicking 5 times on the same spot instead of 1? I get viper's a pro, but im sure that 80% of his clicks is just repetition. any reason for that?
Accounts for lag, single clicks might not get processed in online games. Keeps the fingers active too so they are ready when you need to click something fast.
Hold up is this 3v1 or free for all ? because the latter is easer than 1v1 ?
What ELO is the new AI on extreme?
33:31 3v1, hardly fair Viper!
How can I buy AOE2:DE through your channel?
you could go one by one just for resources and then put castles just to keep them auto pressure haha
how can i change AI difficulty durrent mid game?
It's funny how we call these things "AI"
How so?
@@Zonalyre It's not really artificial "intelligence", just bunch of "if"s and "else"s
@@fahimhossain165 so when can we call it ai then?
@@Zonalyre When it gives us an illusion of "free will", when we can no longer predict it's behaviour, when it creates it's army based on what you have.
And the back and forth running while being hit with archers? That's not even a good " if-else" code!
GG!
40mins, he might actually win this
why you dont have small trees yet?
hey viper, can you see me slow clapping?
can you see me slow clapping viper?
Viper and IA vs 4 IA
maybe it would be an idea to play a 2vs2 with 1AI and 1player against 1AI and 1player and the player start with carto, the players are not allowed to play and have to tell the AI what to do. game is over when the first human player is dead. perhaps with some different rules or specific maps. I think that could be very fun.