Fun fact: top tier tank stock grinds are worse than they used to. HEAT-FS was not initially the stock ammunition, it used to be a low tier low cost alternate ammo modification. Practically every tank (with a few exceptions) used to have the low pen APFSDS round (or apds for early mbt's) as their stock round. Imagine that. The worst, most situational round in the game for top tier tanks, that used to be an unlockable, is now the default stock round outside of HE (if the tank even gets HE) for all top tier (or close to) tanks.
And the HEAT-FS change was made because people complained that SOME tanks had it as the stock ammunition, and Gaijin in their infinite wisdom thought this was the change they were asking for, not stock AP for those few vehicles....
No joke: I researched the APFSDS on the Leo 2 A6 before going for repair kits. The thing is quick, and you can go to Caps somewhat reliably to repair, but you will fire at ERA all the time, and HEAT likes to just disappear between breach and barrel of T-74/80s (not that APFSDS doesn't, but less so), the one place you can shoot on many models. Rangefinder, smoke and Thermals are still missing, but it is enough to get in the top 5 of the scoreboard most of the time. Have little experience with aircraft, as I play them exclusively in Ground, except some bomber grinding recently. The squadron planes had to carry me, which works fine. The Me 262 can dogfight Su-35 just fine, same for choppers, though beyond 9.7 the fighters and ground attackers blend together, so I am happy having a 9.7 sub sonic with 2 basic AIM9s at 11.7. (which also were a pain to get) Ground RB players Air tree lacking behind a good 50 years is also a thing that could need some considerations. Though they did fix the heli grind with the changes.
I’m in the same situation, I’m glad Germany has some squadron aircraft I can use together with my tanks. I think they should add several low cost squadron ground attack aircraft to every nation around BR 7.3-11.3 so tank players can have an aircraft to match without grinding the entire air tree.
I Originally thought that I was going to play as an American main but I went to Sweden Since I was Interested with the Swedish leopard and the Vigens.I can Agree stock grind in sweden is SUFFERING
American stock grind is pretty bad since you don’t get APHE shells stock, but Swedish stock grind is probably the worst out of any nation in the game. Their top tier is one of the best though, so I hope that makes up for it.
3:00 Reminder you can go on a capture point to fully repair even without parts, not often will this info be useful but in a pinch during stock grind it's a game changer 4:20 For high tier jets, just focus on researching bombs if it has it and focus on bombing once you get it for a good while, boring gameplay but it grinds so much faster than trying to mindnumbingly dogfight hopelessly without anything that can really fight back 5:10 SH*TFS stock pro tip, focus on gun disable shots and cqc, close range allows you aim for barrel or breech really easily along with a follow up track shot to make sure they don't escape and you don't see pairs of tanks in urban areas too often unless it's near a capture point or where the current frontline is, often will take you several shots to get a kill and you may be interrupted from time to time, but a kill is a kill nonetheless
Top tier tanks take too long to spade, even with premium its too much. The skill bonuses will definitely help but the rp we get is pathetic. Though know its not hard to get 10k rp in tanks which was unheard of in the past.
@@27jagers yeah i believe you, i cant play this game without premium anymore. Its just impossible. And i say it bluntly to all my friends too. You gotta either grind an event and buy premium that way, or just rip 40 euros out of your wallet and pay that way, if you even want to think about going into rank 6 and 7 tanks. Planes are doable without premium cause the rewards are much bigger but tanks and a no go.
I just got the t-80b completely stock and I’ve played a few games, I can confirm that this is a massive skill issue, I’ve been getting my average (albeit bad) amount of kills, using heatfs no era
@@loganwalker8537 You got it backwards. I had a pretty easy time getting to APFSDS on the Leo 2A4 because of all the BMPs and IFVs the Russians have at that BR. I actually had 6+ kill games with stock HEATFS. So i disagree, i had a much harder time grinding to the Russian APFSDS than i did the German one.
dude, t-80s are the easiest stock grind ever, it gets actually usable heatfs and the apfsds is usually only in rank 1 or 2. plus they have really weird armor so you can bounce quite a few shells from longer ranges. if you try stock grinding any top tier vehicle outside of russian ground, you will see how it is for the majority of players.
@@niksonrex88 the leo 2k and leo 2a4 arent that difficult to get past the heat fs though still not fun, at the same time, russian top tier with heat is 100 times more easy than other nations, and if youra t80, even more so
Nowadays there's no stock grind problem, there're only skill issues. If 1 fire extinguisher as well as stock flares isn't enough for you, then it's definitely a skill issue. Lack of repair kit might cause some problems, but you will unlock it with 2-3 matches anyways, which is 40 minutes worst case.
It’s not about not getting kills and such. It’s about not being fun. As I showed in the video, I’m still able to get kills in my stock F-4E, I just can’t use the radar missiles or enjoy the full performance capabilities of the Phantom until I play about 50-100 games in it and unlock all the mods. I grinded for hours only to find out that I still have a long way to go, and this is the case with every top tier tank and plane in the game.
It isn’t supposed to be fun to play stock. It’s supposed to be so bad that you want to use GE to stop it as soon as possible.
Fun fact: top tier tank stock grinds are worse than they used to.
HEAT-FS was not initially the stock ammunition, it used to be a low tier low cost alternate ammo modification. Practically every tank (with a few exceptions) used to have the low pen APFSDS round (or apds for early mbt's) as their stock round.
Imagine that. The worst, most situational round in the game for top tier tanks, that used to be an unlockable, is now the default stock round outside of HE (if the tank even gets HE) for all top tier (or close to) tanks.
And the HEAT-FS change was made because people complained that SOME tanks had it as the stock ammunition, and Gaijin in their infinite wisdom thought this was the change they were asking for, not stock AP for those few vehicles....
No joke: I researched the APFSDS on the Leo 2 A6 before going for repair kits. The thing is quick, and you can go to Caps somewhat reliably to repair, but you will fire at ERA all the time, and HEAT likes to just disappear between breach and barrel of T-74/80s (not that APFSDS doesn't, but less so), the one place you can shoot on many models.
Rangefinder, smoke and Thermals are still missing, but it is enough to get in the top 5 of the scoreboard most of the time.
Have little experience with aircraft, as I play them exclusively in Ground, except some bomber grinding recently. The squadron planes had to carry me, which works fine. The Me 262 can dogfight Su-35 just fine, same for choppers, though beyond 9.7 the fighters and ground attackers blend together, so I am happy having a 9.7 sub sonic with 2 basic AIM9s at 11.7. (which also were a pain to get)
Ground RB players Air tree lacking behind a good 50 years is also a thing that could need some considerations. Though they did fix the heli grind with the changes.
I’m in the same situation, I’m glad Germany has some squadron aircraft I can use together with my tanks. I think they should add several low cost squadron ground attack aircraft to every nation around BR 7.3-11.3 so tank players can have an aircraft to match without grinding the entire air tree.
I Originally thought that I was going to play as an American main but I went to Sweden Since I was Interested with the Swedish leopard and the Vigens.I can Agree stock grind in sweden is SUFFERING
American stock grind is pretty bad since you don’t get APHE shells stock, but Swedish stock grind is probably the worst out of any nation in the game. Their top tier is one of the best though, so I hope that makes up for it.
That is true cause yeah we get stock apfsds but keep in mind that their tanks are already as bad as it is from 8.3 -9.3 their tanks suck.@@27jagers
Not sure if fv4005 need a chaff/flare
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Reminder you can go on a capture point to fully repair even without parts, not often will this info be useful but in a pinch during stock grind it's a game changer
4:20
For high tier jets, just focus on researching bombs if it has it and focus on bombing once you get it for a good while, boring gameplay but it grinds so much faster than trying to mindnumbingly dogfight hopelessly without anything that can really fight back
5:10
SH*TFS stock pro tip, focus on gun disable shots and cqc, close range allows you aim for barrel or breech really easily along with a follow up track shot to make sure they don't escape and you don't see pairs of tanks in urban areas too often unless it's near a capture point or where the current frontline is, often will take you several shots to get a kill and you may be interrupted from time to time, but a kill is a kill nonetheless
This channel is underrated asf... high quality videos 👍
Hmm nobody mentioned helicopters yet...
I can’t believe I forgot…the most painful stock grind of them all.
Top tier tanks take too long to spade, even with premium its too much. The skill bonuses will definitely help but the rp we get is pathetic.
Though know its not hard to get 10k rp in tanks which was unheard of in the past.
The skill bonuses are the only thing keeping me sane right now
@@27jagers yeah i believe you, i cant play this game without premium anymore. Its just impossible. And i say it bluntly to all my friends too. You gotta either grind an event and buy premium that way, or just rip 40 euros out of your wallet and pay that way, if you even want to think about going into rank 6 and 7 tanks.
Planes are doable without premium cause the rewards are much bigger but tanks and a no go.
I have 170 matches in the new Leo 2, and a KD of about 2 in it, and I still only have 35% of mods.
I feel you man
No S-25O on your Su-25? How cute! *Laughs in S-8 or S-24B*
Honestly because of the recent updates, i cant really blame stock grinding anymore as they made grinding a bit to easy
Easier is not the same thing as too easy.
@@27jagers I guess so, I'm used to losing every game even if it's a win
Bro's still not done with the f4e after 8 months
I just got the t-80b completely stock and I’ve played a few games, I can confirm that this is a massive skill issue, I’ve been getting my average (albeit bad) amount of kills, using heatfs no era
russian tanks have it easier with stock than top tier tank like a abrams or a leopard 2
Wait till you get the BVM and still have the same HEATFS round and no Relict 👍🏻
@@loganwalker8537 You got it backwards. I had a pretty easy time getting to APFSDS on the Leo 2A4 because of all the BMPs and IFVs the Russians have at that BR. I actually had 6+ kill games with stock HEATFS.
So i disagree, i had a much harder time grinding to the Russian APFSDS than i did the German one.
dude, t-80s are the easiest stock grind ever, it gets actually usable heatfs and the apfsds is usually only in rank 1 or 2. plus they have really weird armor so you can bounce quite a few shells from longer ranges. if you try stock grinding any top tier vehicle outside of russian ground, you will see how it is for the majority of players.
@@niksonrex88 the leo 2k and leo 2a4 arent that difficult to get past the heat fs
though still not fun,
at the same time, russian top tier with heat is 100 times more easy than other nations, and if youra t80, even more so
i hate stock grind
Remove stock ap from us tanks and make parts and fpe free
YESSSSSS! MORE SUFFERING! MWAHAHAHAHA!
Nowadays there's no stock grind problem, there're only skill issues. If 1 fire extinguisher as well as stock flares isn't enough for you, then it's definitely a skill issue. Lack of repair kit might cause some problems, but you will unlock it with 2-3 matches anyways, which is 40 minutes worst case.
It’s not about not getting kills and such. It’s about not being fun. As I showed in the video, I’m still able to get kills in my stock F-4E, I just can’t use the radar missiles or enjoy the full performance capabilities of the Phantom until I play about 50-100 games in it and unlock all the mods. I grinded for hours only to find out that I still have a long way to go, and this is the case with every top tier tank and plane in the game.
Buy premium and you'll spade them faster or enjoy playing this game for Free.
Fair point, I appreciate this game is free
@@27jagers I don't. I would pay 60 dollars for this game if the concept of GE didn't exist and that the grind didn't take literal years of your life.
Skill issue
krill issue