@@roythao6624 unless I heard wrong, I think he specified Rondo + Tony Allen, rather than Ray. Hence my defensive choice. If it's Rondo + Ray I'm going White and Jrue defensively
Both players have attributes that one player might be better than the other. Both players made significant impacts on any team they played with in different and similiar ways. However, Prime Rondo before the injuries was top 3 best point guards in the league (DRose, CP3, Rondo) and top 15-20 best players in the league at that time. If Rondo was healthier in his career and had better coach-player relationships with his coaches after he left playing for Doc Rivers, his name and accolades would be heightened. If your NBA team was a "middle of the road" type of team, and Rondo was given the keys to orchestrate that team as the leader, he would have that team playing way above expectations. He did it in New Orleans, Sacremento, and in Chicago. Not sure if Jrue has or could do that. But much respect to Jrue for what he does bring to the team and his impact on the game.
Jason takes are REALLY bad. How does Jrue Holiday edge out Rondo ? Rondo was considered to be a top 3 PG in the league during his time, 4x all star and 2x NBA champ, Jrue is cold but he’s not better than Rondo. Also he said “Al Horford making the HOF is the real question” Are your serious? It’s the BASKETBALL HOF, he’s a 2x NCAA Nat. Champ, NBA Champ, and 5x All Star. Maybe not 1st ballot but he’s a guaranteed lock
i guarantee you most players would rather play with jrue he's team first and has no ego he is better than rondo except playmaking rondo was a diva and had too much ego the opposite of jrue rondo was too average at free throws and jumpers for a point guard ✌️
When was Rondo considered a top 3 PG? He played around the time Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose all played. He was not better than any of the guys I mentioned.
@@christiansantiago4711 there was a time Rondo was considered top 3 from I would say 2010 until about 2012. The top 3 in no order was CP3, D Rose, and Rondo during this 2/3 year window. A few of those guys you mentioned surpassed him later but they were still coming into their own during this time. Steph was an injury riddled player with bad ankles, Kyrie was drafted in 2011, Dame 2012, Derron was nice but he never got the respect he deserved and recognition to be in that top 3 discussion.
@@MichaelSevilla97 you sound silly. Rondo was no diva and you couldn't find a teammate to say anything bad about him. Who is better? Not sure but, Rondo's shooting would put him out of this offense. 5 out. You have to be able to shoot. Jrue scores more and guards more positions than Rondo. Rondo is the better playmaker and is one of the smartest players ever.
Jrue is not flashy like his peers in his era but if you insert those players in MIL or BOS they do not win. I am talking about Westbrick, Dame, Deron Williams, John Wall, Kyrie, Chris Paul, and I can continue. Jrue understands team basketball.
@@JeebyTubeinteresting take, do you think the younger guys brown/tatum develop the same if he’s there though? CP is def a point god but I could see three alpha type personalities having maybe too much friction together to get it done
Naaa not this year. Jaylen won the chip and both mvps. Thats like Pat Mahones winning western confrence championship mvp and the super bowl mvp. Which do they give a ECC and WCC mvp trophy? I don't even think they do that do they?? Whatever I think jaylen winning both mvps gives him the edge for this one season
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Goes from getting caught out for not watching Rondo in that era to the cone statement and that's within seconds of each other haha. Rondo was a young kid on the block with the mind of the older generation.
Yeah tbh hanging up the in season tournament and ending the season as a play in team that got gentlemen swept easily in the first round was not a good look
Truth at 26 if Tatum retire with 3 chips he's under Bird, but with 4 he's only behind Russell and Red............and Rondo is not on Jrue level, Jrue 1st ballot hof...
There are ZERO threats to Boston And there won't be until wembanyama has a couple other good players on his team and stephon castle develops which will take minimum 3 years
Paul bro rondo is not even a great player. He's like a Mario Chalmers who started PG for a team loaded with stars at other positions. No other team is starting these guys frfr!
I had some serious stuff to say about the rondo and jrue debate but this comment made me detour..and you are 100% right. Lies talk shit. The Truth speaks itself...
I think Celtics are gonna get better Tatum Brown only 26 27 White will be 30 we gotta get another good big man behind Porzingis he does get hurt and Horford is long in the tooth getting old but i am Happy he finally won a championship in The NBA he deserved it
PG13 is a level above T-Mac. Give me a break. George took teams to the Conference Finals in both conferences and was a superior defender and outside shooter in his prime.
In Season Championship does not count. Real Laker fans like me does not even acknowledge that. Celtics are set up to win for the next few years we are struggling to figure it out with aging stars as our core.
Also, 2008 celtics win in a close series just because there is no Paul pierce or garnett killer instinct at a comparable level. Not saying 24 isnt killers but those 2 were serial killers
Only 2 teams that threaten BOS in the east are MIL & MIA because of their superstars Gannis & Jimmy... only if they add more players to their teams. Miami needs size and MIL needs better role players.
Miami is no longer a threat. That fear factor about Spo and turning bologna into steak is over with. Milwaukee will have a moment, but their hunger to win another Larry is no longer there.
@@therealdarrell282 yep very likely. If I had to bet against BOS it would be MIA & MIL but they are the favorites for sure. Can't wait for next season.
@@ericpollitt7910 Miami has to re-tool their roster and stop giving away games in the regular season. Now that Boston has that chip, they got something Miami cannot say they have. All that talk about “Heat Culture” means nothing when you have no chips to show for it. The last two teams that beat Miami in the playoffs, won the chip.
It's nice to see "The Truth" with his own platform, especially after ESPN!
I agree
ESPN isn’t a platform.
It’s a Lakers (LeBron tbh)/Knicks propaganda channel.
@@ChristopherRobinson-l5v don't forget the cowboys
He under *all the smoke* him and KG. Both dude need their own channel platform
This isn’t his platform goofy😂
dude laughed at Vlade Divac and then remembered he gave him a job 😂😂
This shits great 😂
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I think he was just baffled at the comparison. Vlade Divac and Al Horford are completely different players with such different careers
If we going pure defense I'm going Rondo + Allen, offense Jrue + White. Combo? Jrue + White all day, every day
Rondo and ray win in a 2v2.
@@roythao6624jrue is locking up rondo 😂 it could go either way d white is a problem on defense too ✌️
@@roythao6624 unless I heard wrong, I think he specified Rondo + Tony Allen, rather than Ray. Hence my defensive choice. If it's Rondo + Ray I'm going White and Jrue defensively
Man, Y'all Be Having Me Laughing Like SHHAATTT 🤣😭😂🤣😭😂 Jay Crowe & Da Truth, My Ninjas! 💪🔥💪🔥💯💯
Both players have attributes that one player might be better than the other. Both players made significant impacts on any team they played with in different and similiar ways. However, Prime Rondo before the injuries was top 3 best point guards in the league (DRose, CP3, Rondo) and top 15-20 best players in the league at that time. If Rondo was healthier in his career and had better coach-player relationships with his coaches after he left playing for Doc Rivers, his name and accolades would be heightened. If your NBA team was a "middle of the road" type of team, and Rondo was given the keys to orchestrate that team as the leader, he would have that team playing way above expectations. He did it in New Orleans, Sacremento, and in Chicago. Not sure if Jrue has or could do that. But much respect to Jrue for what he does bring to the team and his impact on the game.
Jason takes are REALLY bad. How does Jrue Holiday edge out Rondo ? Rondo was considered to be a top 3 PG in the league during his time, 4x all star and 2x NBA champ, Jrue is cold but he’s not better than Rondo. Also he said “Al Horford making the HOF is the real question” Are your serious? It’s the BASKETBALL HOF, he’s a 2x NCAA Nat. Champ, NBA Champ, and 5x All Star. Maybe not 1st ballot but he’s a guaranteed lock
i guarantee you most players would rather play with jrue he's team first and has no ego he is better than rondo except playmaking rondo was a diva and had too much ego the opposite of jrue rondo was too average at free throws and jumpers for a point guard ✌️
If you think Rondo is better than Jrue ur crazy.. It’s not even close.
When was Rondo considered a top 3 PG? He played around the time Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose all played. He was not better than any of the guys I mentioned.
@@christiansantiago4711 there was a time Rondo was considered top 3 from I would say 2010 until about 2012. The top 3 in no order was CP3, D Rose, and Rondo during this 2/3 year window. A few of those guys you mentioned surpassed him later but they were still coming into their own during this time. Steph was an injury riddled player with bad ankles, Kyrie was drafted in 2011, Dame 2012, Derron was nice but he never got the respect he deserved and recognition to be in that top 3 discussion.
@@MichaelSevilla97 you sound silly. Rondo was no diva and you couldn't find a teammate to say anything bad about him.
Who is better? Not sure but, Rondo's shooting would put him out of this offense. 5 out. You have to be able to shoot. Jrue scores more and guards more positions than Rondo. Rondo is the better playmaker and is one of the smartest players ever.
Let’s gooo Paul Pierce!!! My favorite player all time 💯🫡
Derrick White is the most underrated player in the league
Horford is a hallfamer with his college and NBA career combined
Jrue Holiday did an amazing job guarding Kyrie Irving.
Who is the other guy? I don't recognize him.
Top 10 All-time team 4sho'🤔🏀💯🍀🏆💪🏾.
Tell em TRUTH!!! TELL EM OG.... TRIPLE OG!!!😂
Injuries and age hurt the 2009-10 season. They would of won if Perkins didn’t get hurt
All time? Well OK, AFTER
1)Russel's Celtics,
2)MJ's Bulls, 3)Hakeem's Houston, 4) Stephs Warriors,
5) Kobe/Shaq Lakers, 6)Bird's Celtics, 7)Magic/Kareem Lakers,
8) Tim's Spurs
9) Jokers Nugs
10) '24 Celtics
rondo and holiday were backcourt combo back in pelicans, rondo is feisty as a defender, just ask dwayne!
Rondo still a better defender because he led the playoffs and reg season in steals bro!!!
I like rondo but Com’on P u trippin he ain’t touching Jrue and I’m taking white/Jrue over Rondo/Allen 🤦♀️
Al is not a HOFer
Paul George back to Indiana
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The bar for the NBA HoF is low compared to other sports.
It’s basketball HOF not NBA. the HOF is in no way part of the nba
@@ErnieBert-eg8kd ok
2 championships in 40 years. Lmaoo
18 championships in 77 years.
@@jennyfromjapan and 3/4 of them when they only had 6 teams in the league
@@FROSTY3407 it depends on how far back we go. I've seen 6 in the last 2 decades and you've seen 2 in the last 4 decades
@Ayoo_Anthonydont don't hate the player hate the game
@@mydreaminorbit9297 never said I hate the Celtics players, I just hate the franchise
You’d think he was in the team scoring 30 every night 💀💀💀 and hell no Al is no hall of famer.
I’m taking your basketball card if you think AL isn’t going to the hof. Go watch tape when he was with the hawks and come back and comment
You don't know shit about basketball if you think al isn't a hof
You’re sped Ed. Your opinion means nothing. Al definitely going to the hof
@codedsoul7360 Do you just stumble around the internet, verbally vomiting as you go?
@@dionreed7325who tf are you? Sone people have high standards weirdo
Truth people forget u took down Kobe and lebron to get your trophy big ups to you. Love my Celtics team Yall alway beat the odds ☘️💚✅🤮🥗
Both AL and Jrue are hall of Famers
I hipe Al, D White, The Jays, Jrue ,KP , PP , number can retired in CS
@@hartoongkowijoyo9952the way this season gelled so well, it’s not too far from the truth! See what I did there lol
Looool wtf .
@@elmztana1201 pierce nick name is the truth lmao
AL Horford is not a HOF
Jrue is not flashy like his peers in his era but if you insert those players in MIL or BOS they do not win. I am talking about Westbrick, Dame, Deron Williams, John Wall, Kyrie, Chris Paul, and I can continue. Jrue understands team basketball.
I think Celtics win w a prime cp3
@@JeebyTubeinteresting take, do you think the younger guys brown/tatum develop the same if he’s there though? CP is def a point god but I could see three alpha type personalities having maybe too much friction together to get it done
@@jamesbrewer5111 cp3 n Tatum train together in the summer I think they would of been cool
D Will was a crazy name to throw out there 😂😂😂 His knee were just beginning to go when Jrue entered the league
@@JeebyTubeno question he’s out doing Kyrie in his prime
Jrue can shoot though. Rondo was a better playmaker.
Rondo definitely couldn’t guard Embid like I’ve seen Jrue do
Love to see the Truth basking in C's greatness! #18!!!!!
We owe it to him, if they were serious in 98 he could’ve had more
Man is called the Truth for a reason with love from Ireland☘️☘️☘️☘️oh and this Celtics team is the best 1 to 5 (plus bench) in quite a while
Rondo locked up Curry in the bubble playoffs
You mean Harden lol. They didn't even play the warriors in the bubble
He also locked up Dame and IT
Everybody knows the bubble wasn’t real basketball cmon silly
@@Jeramithehuman look at other replies, focus on the point of Rondo's defense
@@TheIndianCelticsShow coo, you're making my point about Rondo's defense, glx
That Rondo Holiday convo was crazy 🤣 🤣
😂
Naaa not this year. Jaylen won the chip and both mvps. Thats like Pat Mahones winning western confrence championship mvp and the super bowl mvp. Which do they give a ECC and WCC mvp trophy? I don't even think they do that do they?? Whatever I think jaylen winning both mvps gives him the edge for this one season
o
Long time Coming: Truth Lounge! Luv it. Loved the Truth in those many away games on the West Coast. He loved the corner 3s. All daggers. He was a Killer!. Boston Killer!! Go Cs!!
Didn’t Jason Crowe play overseas?
lol jason talking sense to paul he doesn't wanna listen go c's
yea he's been great with his Mavs takes. All of his finals takes have aged like milk.
Paul high as hell lol
13:40 Horford has FIVE All-Star appearences and Kukoc has ZERO
2008 rondo vs 2024 jrue? I gotta go Holiday
exactly I couldn't agree more and it's not close
we love you truth !!!
Pierce tripping bout Rondo over Jrue 🤣
Hahaha love this convo
"Rando can't guard nobody. he's cone" lmao
Goes from getting caught out for not watching Rondo in that era to the cone statement and that's within seconds of each other haha. Rondo was a young kid on the block with the mind of the older generation.
Thank you Crowe. 👑 🙏🏾
Yeah tbh hanging up the in season tournament and ending the season as a play in team that got gentlemen swept easily in the first round was not a good look
Why do you even have this dude on
OMG PIERCE IS HALLUCINATING !!! TATUM AND BROWN ARE A LOT BETTER THAN HIM!!!!! And not even close. Cmon Pietce, WAKE UP!!!!!!!
This was gold Paul
The truth speaking facts "we dont hang in season play in banners"😂😁☘️☘️☘️☘️💪💪banner18 and beyond LETS GO CELTICS📢🔥💥🧨⚡⚡⚡⚡
Truth at 26 if Tatum retire with 3 chips he's under Bird, but with 4 he's only behind Russell and Red............and Rondo is not on Jrue level, Jrue 1st ballot hof...
All hail the "Participation" trophies....Real talk, Congratulations Celtics☘️☘️☘️💚💚💚💪
J. Brown is the Best 2Gaurd in the League,. Tatum is the Best Player in the World'🤔🏀💯🍀🏆💪🏾.
The Truth Best in da business
😂10.47 about to be 2 times olimpic medalist😂😂😂 we will see about that Europe teams defenetly has something to say about that
Paul. Aka duck boat P…. Why you got unk that still be smoking since the 80s on here wit you talking nonsense?
Its still Lakers 4 life over here bruh. Its just boston time right now.
The waiter is the best nickname in the game bro
There are ZERO threats to Boston
And there won't be until wembanyama has a couple other good players on his team and stephon castle develops which will take minimum 3 years
🤔 tke on the copycat league thing. Joe Mazz is one helluva a coach luv his mindset and his approach🏀💪🍀😤
P is petty talking about the Lakers play in tournament win 😂
Paul bro rondo is not even a great player. He's like a Mario Chalmers who started PG for a team loaded with stars at other positions. No other team is starting these guys frfr!
Damn to be from LA growing up a Laker fan man they're going to check him talkin all that
Year 1 of this Cs team can only get better
we probably would hang an in season tournament banner against a wall or something.
Who is this N🥷 in my Truth voice
He hates on AL , Rondo and etc
Love this ☘️☘️☘️
☘️☘️☘️☘️💪💪⚡⚡⚡⚡
Al Harford is a champion 🏆 point blank
Lakers did put up that fake as banner 😂😂😂
who tf is this dude w truth? this dude just dont get it
Jrue is better than Rondo cut it out Paul
3:35 paul farted
I had some serious stuff to say about the rondo and jrue debate but this comment made me detour..and you are 100% right. Lies talk shit. The Truth speaks itself...
It pisses me off to no end everytime I'm reminded my Nuggets lost Bruce Brown & Jeff Green.....
Denver's front office ain't shit!!!!
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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That’s on DIDDY I hope
Bro t mac all day wth🤦🏽
Rondo > holiday
Al doesn't get enough credit in terms of All defensive teams. But comes playoffs, he's been the Embid and Giannis stopper.
I think Celtics are gonna get better Tatum Brown only 26 27 White will be 30 we gotta get another good big man behind Porzingis he does get hurt and Horford is long in the tooth getting old but i am Happy he finally won a championship in The NBA he deserved it
AL is going into basketball HOF hands down 2 NCAA championships and NBA championship
Jalen Brown got the max contract last year also E.C MVP finals MVP.....what other max player achieve this ?
PG13 is a level above T-Mac. Give me a break. George took teams to the Conference Finals in both conferences and was a superior defender and outside shooter in his prime.
In Season Championship does not count. Real Laker fans like me does not even acknowledge that.
Celtics are set up to win for the next few years we are struggling to figure it out with aging stars as our core.
Also, 2008 celtics win in a close series just because there is no Paul pierce or garnett killer instinct at a comparable level. Not saying 24 isnt killers but those 2 were serial killers
Too True 😂
Celtics can be better but i think we need to prioritize injury protection. Get these guys into consistent championship “oiling”
Crowe is right about Jrue being better but he disrespected the hell out of rondo
Jrue holiday is a better player than rondo stop this cap pierce.
love your show Paul!! real basketball content
Just know we didn’t want that mid season banner up either
I love ya truth but you wrong about the rondo v jrdue
Lakers and heat fans punching air right now
J Crowe is the reality check for PP :)
Shout out Paul but this podcast is straight trash
What team truth talking about in the beginning?
You're hating on you who!🤔💯👈
JB also in the dunk contest 😂
Need Xavier McDaniel on here
"The best backcourt is Jordan and somebody!" 💯
Harper & Jordan
Only 2 teams that threaten BOS in the east are MIL & MIA because of their superstars Gannis & Jimmy... only if they add more players to their teams. Miami needs size and MIL needs better role players.
Miami is no longer a threat. That fear factor about Spo and turning bologna into steak is over with. Milwaukee will have a moment, but their hunger to win another Larry is no longer there.
@@therealdarrell282 yep very likely. If I had to bet against BOS it would be MIA & MIL but they are the favorites for sure. Can't wait for next season.
@@ericpollitt7910 Miami has to re-tool their roster and stop giving away games in the regular season. Now that Boston has that chip, they got something Miami cannot say they have. All that talk about “Heat Culture” means nothing when you have no chips to show for it. The last two teams that beat Miami in the playoffs, won the chip.
@@therealdarrell282 Great points 👍👍 Next season will be fun
@@therealdarrell282imo healthy knicks is a bigger threat than both these teams