I have a doubt. When I get in neutral position and hit the corner I can control more the bicycle. When I do the 6,12 position I can’t control that well BUT I see you throw your body the opposite way of the bicycle when hitting the curve. I think that is the step I’m missing. Also, should I drop my post?
Yeah try that, but it’s not throwing your body in the opposite direction. It’s leaning the bike further than you have to. You want to find the point of where you lose grip and then back off a little. It’s hard to lean your bike this far without having the pedals in position #3. Good luck 👍
You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
This is TERRIBLE advice! You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
This is crap! You want lean and to load the front tyre to get fast corner speed that's what the nobs on the side of the tyre are designed for and are they are there for a reason..🤡🌎🥴🥴🥴
Wow. Straight forward & on point. No bs, and clear instructions. I replayed it over and over, love the video and tricks!! Keep up the good work, thanks for sharing.
Good pointers. For aggressive cornering leaning the bike more than your body really helps. It keeps the weight still on the tires and not falling towards the inside. So if you notice you slide too easily when following all of these pointers, lean the bike in more while keeping your body up over the bike. I see you doing exactly this in the video. Spot on technique.
back in the 60’s long before mountain bikes, we as kids used to amuse ourselves with those counter steered sliding turns on our stingrays, after hosing down a friends painted driveway. Then it became a game of who could skid sideways the farthest, so we opened the garage door so we had more room to work with. Years later that saved me when my motorcycle lost traction in a curve on a cold wet morning. When you’re about to fall, countersteering is purely instinctive, no one taught us how.
Great advice! Another benefit of leaning the bike is that instead of riding the turn on the middle knobs, which are designed for rolling and braking, you use the side knobs which are designed for turning. Also, your tires will wear more evenly and last longer. $$
I ride and race. videos like this are why i have progressed. i went from 21 out of 40( last years race season) to 9 out of 40( this years) by learning to corner. forget anything else! learn how to corner like a boss and carry speed out of the corner and you will be set.
Thanks for explaining that. I've been seeing this on the occasional youtube channel and didn't understand why it was being done. Neat tool. I'll add that to the box.
That was both entertaining and educational. It never came to my mind to actively decrease the lean. I always did lean max. So thank you very much for your video 🤙
Thank you so much for the informative and entertaining video. The illustrations of body positioning are helpful, although I personally can't hear the 'almost losing my grip' sound - however I do have some hearing deficiency. By practicing what you teach here, I've learned that my inside hand automatically applies more pressure than my outside hand in the corner, helping me feel more comfortable leaning the bike. What's most challenging for me is finding the center of the bike - I have a tendency to slide back almost behind the saddle, so I'm trying to correct that.
I just watched a guy who said lowering the outside foot is incorrect I do a mixture of feet level or outside foot down always leaning the bike not your body !! This guys advice is great
Brilliant! The extra lean idea did that click to me! I mean I was always into that “lean your bike” mantra, but never got that part! Kind of felt it, but never understood until now! Thank You!
You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
@@huckfin1598 I'm a year late to the party here, but I'm pretty sure the video we watched here explains it clearly. I would agree with you that car and motorcycle racing on tarmac, where there is exceptional grip, can make best use of a heavily weighted front end. And maybe the riding that you do is on very grippy surfaces. Out here in the West, there are plenty of fast, loose-over-hardpack trails. Putting a lot of weight on your front end will have you washing out with little to no warning. In that regard, I respectfully disagree with you. As this video demonstrates, a balanced approach is most effective.
Absolutely. Radius determines speed. [ Yamaha Champ School] and (Given that the coefficient of friction is relevantly stable) With regards to counter-steering, there are moments when cs is appropriate and necessary. MX guys do it, so it does work. A combination of body steering and counter steering.
As a skier and a biker i approach turning in the same manner for both disciplines - more weight on the outside/downhill foot and lean the body away from the turn/downhill. No broken bones so far in almost 40 years of enjoyment.
I think videos like these are stupid, until I actually learn something then I feel stupid for thinking it was stupid. I cannot corner fast, and now I know why, I’m level pedal in every turn. So thanks for the tips! Enjoyed this video commentary lol
I guess I do the double lean to check grip, but for me it’s the double turn I slightly and very briefly turn the other way just before I go into a flat turn. Great video.
Jeff, I discovered this about 3 months ago, and it revolutionized my cornering. I now feel like I'm going slower than ever, but keep getting massive PRs on Strava. I'm not arguing with this video at all, it's a new concept for me that I'm excited to try. But I think the "turn the other way before entering the turn" is the most important thing. That is called countersteer, if I understand you correctly, and they teach it to motorcyclists. 4 to 8 feet before most turns. I started by just steering from the center to the outside line in the last few feet, and the bike leaned over naturally, and felt better balanced in the turn, with far less desire to touch the brakes. As I got better, I sped up the counter-steer, but not so fast as a twitch. Maybe 1 second to .5 seconds. 2-4" off of the current path of the front wheel. All of these teachers are better riders than me, and I bet most or all of them countersteer before the turn, but haven't noticed that they do it. There's a Veritasium youtube video on bike balance that proves that we balance by countersteer that is amusing. th-cam.com/video/9cNmUNHSBac/w-d-xo.html
It makes sense as a mountain biker, if you can't do it yet, to pull your rear around in slippery corners to get used to how it feels and to lose your fear of it. Then you don't get scared if it happens accidentally. I was scared at first, then it started to be fun😁
When I’m leaning while having plenty of grip, I will steer into the turn with the bars to keep my wheels in the middle of the track. This helps me maintain speed through and out of the turn. But only if I know I have grip.
Thank you very much for this video! Since it's winter and the road gets slippery, my cornering has gotten worse and I crashed about 3 times this month. Quick qeustion though, should I be slightly erect (about 85 degrees from the ground) while the bike is like 45 degrees from the ground? and should i brake the rear wheel while at it?
You do actually turn, it's called counter-steering: same as motorcycles. Happens more at higher speed, but you're not leaning the bike so much as steering it into being leaned over. It's just easier with a bike to shift the weight because it doesn't weigh as much
Another important reason for leaning in a corner is that the tire's circumference becomes smaller and smaller as the tire is leaned. Stand beside your bike and turn the front wheel a bit while only slightly leaning the bike into the direction of the turn. Observe the front tire's path. Now, repeat by changing only the lean angle to a greater amount. The front wheel will travel in a tighter arc. This is why two wheeled vehicle tires are round, unlike car tires which don't lean. i hope this makes sense, tricky to explain.
I agree with almost everything BUT... putting your pedal in a neutral position is often better than one pedal down. if your scaping the ground you can defiantly put one up more or less, or if you think you are going possibly wash out and need a quick dab, but often that's not the case if you corner right. now on why you need a neutral position: here's the most essential part of them all, your mobility. when you corner with one foot out you greatly reduce the amount of movent you can make with your body. you cant turn your hips as much, one leg is totally stretched out, and your bike becomes harder to lean (especially with clips). having a stretched-out leg also means you cant actually apply any force at all. your cant pump, you cant absorb, you can't do anything, you stop being a rider and become a passenger. what also happens is that you end up putting all the weight on one leg and that puts the centre of gravity on the outside of the bike and you want it to stay in the middle, this makes it harder to turn as well and makes it feel like your bike just wants to stand up all the time and you just end up fighting the cycle when you don't need too. what also is important to notice is that with one foot down two wheel drifting becomes harder too. when your feet are neutral you notice that once you start drifting it's not a problem, while with one foot down your bike want to kick out and stand up way faster. Here's a good experiment to feel exactly what I mean. go to a flat piece of ground and start cornering and pumping side to side, (or one of those cone drills where you have to go in between them) a few times with one foot down, a few times with both feet level, and then you start to notice that you can't actually take as much speed with one foot down because you turn radius is increased so much, you also realize you're starting to lose speed while you don't when your feet are level and pump (since you can't pump at all with one foot down).
Thanks for the feedback, I guess I should have added that the #3 foot position only applies to flat turns if you want to go fast. Berms and ruts is a whole other conundrum. Once you add g-forces the neutral position is the way to go. I’ll make berm turn video soon. Thanks again.
Can you share how you would possibly tweak your riding depending on the type of terrain you are cornering? I.e. slab, sand, gravel, loose leaves/pine needles, wetter ground etc.
Great video. When pushing the bike and finding that point where it starts to slide, how do you practice this safely without crashing? I feel pretty solid cornering…. should I be looking for more slide? I’d love to corner even more aggressively but don’t want to slam my body (purposely!) into the ground!
I agree with everything in this video but I think you missed one important point, what are you doing with your head/where are you looking? If you look around the corner more you can set your body position up for the turn, if your body position is correct then you can easily adjust the lean of the bike to maximise grip.
how do you practice or tell when you're about to lose grip before backing off? too little may not be effective, and too much may cause the front wheel to washout.
I would practice on loose dirt or grass to get a feel for it. Do it with flat pedals or be clipped out so that you can dab in case you slide out. Eventually you develop a feeling for that tipping point of where you loose your grip.
Nice video. My first time seeing you on TH-cam. Nice visuals & humor to sink in the lesson. Where are you riding? Looks like New England or the Midwest. And What is your accent , sounds Austrian. Could have sworn I heard at least a couple of Arnold T-2 lines in your video (intentional or not, ha). Again, nice video!👍
Other videos I’ve watched say not to drop your outside pedal because that puts your weight to the outside of the lean and tries to pull the bike back up. So which is it?
Depends on how steep the berm is and how fast you can rip thru it. Steep and fast berms will produce a lot of g-forces and you will need both legs to hold yourself up. I usually hit those in the neutral foot position.
Not unlike cornering on a motorcycle. More lean=tighter cornering. On a Mntn bike you don't have the weight of the motorcycle so you'd never hang a cheek to the inside like sport riders do. Moving the weight out is the only way to get more lean. Applies to CX riding very well also.
Loved the video! I'll try to simply train these "simple" corners because while on a trail descending fast I forget to do these moves and screw up most of the time but luckly don't fall because the bike end up saving me haha. Btw, what rim and tries do you use? Love the look on them!
@@cyclingskills thanks! nope, i dont push my hybrid too far, i commute on my hybrid and im looking to upgrade my riding bike to a road bike so i thought i could practise on this one :)
this is so weird its opposite what i do on a road bike, where i learn my body into the curve and my bike out, now i gotta lean my bike over and myself out
Maybe, it’s all about equal weight on front and rear wheel. If there is a steep drop half way thru the turn you will need to adjust accordingly. Hope this helps. Cheers
you're missing an important disctinction in your explanation for clarity. You can lean your bike OR you can lean your body OR you can lean both. You can't just say lean....you need to clarify what your leaning.
I would suggest people go and watch some pro DH riders and their pedal position. They will rarely be in #3 pedal position, usually closer to #2. Try doing a cutty with #3 and you will see why it's not great in a lot of situations.
Pro DH riders? what am I? chopped liver 😜 haha just kidding. I know I am old and washed up, but this video on cornering is only about flat turns without any berms or ruts. I am guessing by the use of the term cutty you must be half my age 😩 Anyway, thank you so much for watching and the feedback. Really appreciate it. Cheers 🍻 (if you’re over 21😜)
Hi Lee 👋 I don’t even know what that means “loading tires” ? Leaning the bike takes care of that. If you mean pressing the tires into the ground, you can do that only for moments (and yes, you sometimes need to do that for extra traction here and there) but you can’t press or load tires all the way thru a long turn. Leaning you can👍 Hope this explains my method to the madness 😬 cheers 🍻
Nice video but your explanation misses an important point. When leaning your bike into the turn your weight pushes more vertically through the tyres into the ground. This prevents the bike from washing out underneath you. This is why you should lean the bike in the first place.
With the outside pedal down you are unbalanced you have the majority of the weight on the outside wich will stand the bike up as your trying to lean it your hips and body also naturally twist the opposite direction. This teccnique is good for a sketchy off camber or loose stuff incase you need the foot down. Imagine turning this way and mid corner or the end you have an obstacle to get over you have no way to re distrbute your weight or to pop up and over it. Turning in the attack position inside foot back, pedals level as you lean the pedals remain level so inside raise slightly outside drops slightly. now imagine the same scenario you have full mobilty to change weight distribution you can compress your suspension to pop over things you are even in a better position for beaking if need be. Cornering foot down is only one way and has far less flexibility than the attack position.
Both methods have a place to be used. I can tell you from years of experience of racing BMX back in the 70's, 80's and 90's if you used your method all the time, you would have been one of the guys getting passed in the turns, especially sweepers. The method he is explaining in the video offers more traction and stability in the corner. It helps keep the center of gravity low and more inline with the actual contact points of the tire. Also it only takes a fraction of a second to go from pedal down to pedals level and you would be doing this while adjusting body position and handlebars(basically instinctively).
@@TRUTHBMXracing my point exactly both have there place. Came from that era myself with the 120mm stems, canti brakes, smoke and dart tyre combos, pre mag 21s. Oh the good old days of steel. Bmx is differant to mountain biking corners are not all perfect (assuming were not always on trail centres). I even use this technique myself on ocasion but it shouldnt be your default entry technique its easier to go from attack position to heel down even mid corner than from heel down to attack.
@@TRUTHBMXracing i was meaning to finish with .if you are in heel down position and you need to adapt to something in the trail you need to reset to attack then compress to unweight, manual, to jump, To hop, ... e.t.c, ....e.t.c . attack position is only one motion (compression) away from moving into most of these techniques including heel down. most rough trails wont give you time to reset to attack and then on to compress for the technique you require. It makes more sense to approach a corner in the most adaptable position rather than one that is for want of a better word a dead end as there are no techniques you can use without first resetting to attack from this position.
I can't turn either direction like a pro, but I do have trouble on right turns; I have scoliosis (curvature of the spine) so I attribute it to that. I just do some stretches before to try and loosen up to make it easier, but it's always a challenge. You might get checked for scoliosis. Can't really fix it, but at least you'd know.
Ha ha, good video but... your logic is "lean in more so that you can lean in less when you slip." Well, that logic would dictate that if you just lean in less to begin with you avoid the slip all together. This explanation is inadequate. You totally missed the discussion of "optimal lean for optimal grip" given the terrain, speed, rider, bike, etc.
You actually explain the part about leaning your bike wrong. In any kind of corner, as a general rule, you want to be leaning your bike as much as possible. The side knobs on your tire are designed to grip better, which is why they are significantly bigger. So if grip is an issue, you typically want to lean the bike more to engage the side knobs more. That's why when you see pro riders railing through flat corners, you see them leaning their bike more. It's so they can get as much grip as possible.
I have a doubt. When I get in neutral position and hit the corner I can control more the bicycle. When I do the 6,12 position I can’t control that well BUT I see you throw your body the opposite way of the bicycle when hitting the curve. I think that is the step I’m missing.
Also, should I drop my post?
Yeah try that, but it’s not throwing your body in the opposite direction. It’s leaning the bike further than you have to. You want to find the point of where you lose grip and then back off a little. It’s hard to lean your bike this far without having the pedals in position #3. Good luck 👍
@@cyclingskills Got it. Thank you for the tip of not throwing my body in the opposite position. Trying it today without earphones. Thank you.
You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
@@huckfin1598 Wow thank you so much for this advice. Will try it.
@@junboo8730 leaning forward and applying weight to inside hand causes you to naturally lean the bike. That’s the thing everyone gets wrong
This is the type of content needed in the MTB industry 🙌
This is TERRIBLE advice!
You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
This is crap! You want lean and to load the front tyre to get fast corner speed that's what the nobs on the side of the tyre are designed for and are they are there for a reason..🤡🌎🥴🥴🥴
This is especially great advice for those of us whose idea of a fun ride doesn’t necessarily involve a high probability of bleeding.
Wow. Straight forward & on point. No bs, and clear instructions. I replayed it over and over, love the video and tricks!! Keep up the good work, thanks for sharing.
thank you so much for watching and the feedback. Really appreciate it.
Wish most of the teachers at school had this sense of humour, makes learning much easier... Thanks for the tips.
Good pointers. For aggressive cornering leaning the bike more than your body really helps. It keeps the weight still on the tires and not falling towards the inside. So if you notice you slide too easily when following all of these pointers, lean the bike in more while keeping your body up over the bike. I see you doing exactly this in the video. Spot on technique.
back in the 60’s long before mountain bikes, we as kids used to amuse ourselves with those counter steered sliding turns on our stingrays, after hosing down a friends painted driveway. Then it became a game of who could skid sideways the farthest, so we opened the garage door so we had more room to work with. Years later that saved me when my motorcycle lost traction in a curve on a cold wet morning. When you’re about to fall, countersteering is purely instinctive, no one taught us how.
Great advice! Another benefit of leaning the bike is that instead of riding the turn on the middle knobs, which are designed for rolling and braking, you use the side knobs which are designed for turning. Also, your tires will wear more evenly and last longer. $$
Exactly!
Thank you for the Why! And I like what your shared about to use the ears too. Its like hearing how beautiful drifting is. Good job!
Excellent video. Your are the first who explained it based on physics. Very useful!
I ride and race. videos like this are why i have progressed. i went from 21 out of 40( last years race season) to 9 out of 40( this years) by learning to corner. forget anything else! learn how to corner like a boss and carry speed out of the corner and you will be set.
you said it, exit speed is the key to success. Keep on keeping on :)
Great teaching, congratulations on your work and thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thanks for explaining that. I've been seeing this on the occasional youtube channel and didn't understand why it was being done. Neat tool. I'll add that to the box.
what a divinely simple and practical explanation. Beautiful! Very useful for application.
Best no nonsense explanation right here with simplified solution. Nice!
the clearest cornering video out there💯
thanks
Very helpful. I have been looking for this guidance for a while now.
That was both entertaining and educational. It never came to my mind to actively decrease the lean. I always did lean max. So thank you very much for your video 🤙
Thank you so much for the informative and entertaining video. The illustrations of body positioning are helpful, although I personally can't hear the 'almost losing my grip' sound - however I do have some hearing deficiency. By practicing what you teach here, I've learned that my inside hand automatically applies more pressure than my outside hand in the corner, helping me feel more comfortable leaning the bike. What's most challenging for me is finding the center of the bike - I have a tendency to slide back almost behind the saddle, so I'm trying to correct that.
Exactly. Superb video. Time to learn how to ride
Very nice, I lean the bike so that if I slide, I don’t wash out, I never knew I could stand it back up for some re-grip! Thanks!
Thanks for the pointers OG!
I just watched a guy who said lowering the outside foot is incorrect I do a mixture of feet level or outside foot down always leaning the bike not your body !!
This guys advice is great
This guy KNOWS how to ride!
that is what decades on the trail does.
Awesome video man! Love the editing and everything about it 🤘🏻
Amazing.. Tips..excellent.. We need more of these..
Thanks, I will make more of these. Believe it or not, it takes a lot of time to edit these short videos. Thanks again
This is such an underrated but awesome channel!
This is the 2nd time I watched a clip from your channel. Today I immediately subscribed. I’m totally sold! Great tutorial video. Thank you.😊
Welcome aboard! Thank you so much for the feedback.
Brilliant! The extra lean idea did that click to me! I mean I was always into that “lean your bike” mantra, but never got that part! Kind of felt it, but never understood until now!
Thank You!
Glad I could explain my theory and why I do what I do. Thanks for watching
You want MORE weight on the FRONT tire in turns so that the front tire grips. This is the same with car and motorcycle racing. So lean forward and also apply weight onto the inside hand. (It’s not counter steering) This allows the front tire to grip and not under steer and it supports your body. If you’re doing it right it’s a work out similar concept of pumping with your legs. forget all that foot position and body bike separation crap. Lean forward, weight on inside hand and everything else will follow.
@@huckfin1598 I'm a year late to the party here, but I'm pretty sure the video we watched here explains it clearly.
I would agree with you that car and motorcycle racing on tarmac, where there is exceptional grip, can make best use of a heavily weighted front end.
And maybe the riding that you do is on very grippy surfaces.
Out here in the West, there are plenty of fast, loose-over-hardpack trails. Putting a lot of weight on your front end will have you washing out with little to no warning.
In that regard, I respectfully disagree with you.
As this video demonstrates, a balanced approach is most effective.
Absolutely. Radius determines speed. [ Yamaha Champ School] and (Given that the coefficient of friction is relevantly stable)
With regards to counter-steering, there are moments when cs is appropriate and necessary. MX guys do it, so it does work. A combination of body steering and counter steering.
Great video! The message and delivery is amazing! feels like every detail was well thought-out
thanks Jurgen!
Glad you liked it!. Sometimes I ramble too much. 😜
And your side knobs are there for a reason.
As a skier and a biker i approach turning in the same manner for both disciplines - more weight on the outside/downhill foot and lean the body away from the turn/downhill. No broken bones so far in almost 40 years of enjoyment.
You covered the 5 "W"'s and the "How". Subscribed!
Awesomesauce thank you. 👍
I think videos like these are stupid, until I actually learn something then I feel stupid for thinking it was stupid. I cannot corner fast, and now I know why, I’m level pedal in every turn. So thanks for the tips! Enjoyed this video commentary lol
Haha - You’re not the only one that watches stupid “How to videos” 😜 (same here) thanks for letting mine pass as helpful. Cheers 🍻
I guess I do the double lean to check grip, but for me it’s the double turn I slightly and very briefly turn the other way just before I go into a flat turn. Great video.
Jeff, I discovered this about 3 months ago, and it revolutionized my cornering. I now feel like I'm going slower than ever, but keep getting massive PRs on Strava.
I'm not arguing with this video at all, it's a new concept for me that I'm excited to try. But I think the "turn the other way before entering the turn" is the most important thing. That is called countersteer, if I understand you correctly, and they teach it to motorcyclists. 4 to 8 feet before most turns. I started by just steering from the center to the outside line in the last few feet, and the bike leaned over naturally, and felt better balanced in the turn, with far less desire to touch the brakes. As I got better, I sped up the counter-steer, but not so fast as a twitch. Maybe 1 second to .5 seconds. 2-4" off of the current path of the front wheel.
All of these teachers are better riders than me, and I bet most or all of them countersteer before the turn, but haven't noticed that they do it. There's a Veritasium youtube video on bike balance that proves that we balance by countersteer that is amusing. th-cam.com/video/9cNmUNHSBac/w-d-xo.html
Great work!
It makes sense as a mountain biker, if you can't do it yet, to pull your rear around in slippery corners to get used to how it feels and to lose your fear of it.
Then you don't get scared if it happens accidentally.
I was scared at first, then it started to be fun😁
Short and straight to the points. Thanks! Appreciate it
Like the title says “no nonsense bike skills”. Thanks for the video.
Right, you deserve much more subs.. Pls stay on that path. You're content is awesome.. Thank you, sir
When I’m leaning while having plenty of grip, I will steer into the turn with the bars to keep my wheels in the middle of the track. This helps me maintain speed through and out of the turn. But only if I know I have grip.
This is how I always corner
I found out it’s the most best way to corner because you are the most stable in that position therefore also safe
Great video. Thank you
That's perfect 👍 big thanks 💖💖💖
I'm glad you like it
that sand seems so fun to just dig out a quick berm and shred it super hard
Thank you very much for this video!
Since it's winter and the road gets slippery, my cornering has gotten worse and I crashed about 3 times this month.
Quick qeustion though, should I be slightly erect (about 85 degrees from the ground) while the bike is like 45 degrees from the ground? and should i brake the rear wheel while at it?
You do actually turn, it's called counter-steering: same as motorcycles. Happens more at higher speed, but you're not leaning the bike so much as steering it into being leaned over. It's just easier with a bike to shift the weight because it doesn't weigh as much
This is brilliant! 👏👏
There is one more advice i got sometime ago. Try rotate your hips (towards the turn obviously). It makes cornering easier.
great video!!!
But WHY? Please just tell ma why,,,, As always great video that teaches and puts a smile on my face. Thanks! 👌
thank you
Another important reason for leaning in a corner is that the tire's circumference becomes smaller and smaller as the tire is leaned. Stand beside your bike and turn the front wheel a bit while only slightly leaning the bike into the direction of the turn. Observe the front tire's path. Now, repeat by changing only the lean angle to a greater amount. The front wheel will travel in a tighter arc. This is why two wheeled vehicle tires are round, unlike car tires which don't lean. i hope this makes sense, tricky to explain.
That’s called camber thrust.
I agree with almost everything BUT... putting your pedal in a neutral position is often better than one pedal down. if your scaping the ground you can defiantly put one up more or less, or if you think you are going possibly wash out and need a quick dab, but often that's not the case if you corner right. now on why you need a neutral position:
here's the most essential part of them all, your mobility. when you corner with one foot out you greatly reduce the amount of movent you can make with your body. you cant turn your hips as much, one leg is totally stretched out, and your bike becomes harder to lean (especially with clips). having a stretched-out leg also means you cant actually apply any force at all. your cant pump, you cant absorb, you can't do anything, you stop being a rider and become a passenger.
what also happens is that you end up putting all the weight on one leg and that puts the centre of gravity on the outside of the bike and you want it to stay in the middle, this makes it harder to turn as well and makes it feel like your bike just wants to stand up all the time and you just end up fighting the cycle when you don't need too.
what also is important to notice is that with one foot down two wheel drifting becomes harder too. when your feet are neutral you notice that once you start drifting it's not a problem, while with one foot down your bike want to kick out and stand up way faster.
Here's a good experiment to feel exactly what I mean. go to a flat piece of ground and start cornering and pumping side to side, (or one of those cone drills where you have to go in between them) a few times with one foot down, a few times with both feet level, and then you start to notice that you can't actually take as much speed with one foot down because you turn radius is increased so much, you also realize you're starting to lose speed while you don't when your feet are level and pump (since you can't pump at all with one foot down).
Thanks for the feedback, I guess I should have added that the #3 foot position only applies to flat turns if you want to go fast. Berms and ruts is a whole other conundrum. Once you add g-forces the neutral position is the way to go. I’ll make berm turn video soon. Thanks again.
Good one. No BS info.
I like having my feet even through turns, having one down pushing the bike into my leg but both flat and I can push down evenly
What about weighting the inside handle bar to tip the bike into the corner 🤔
Can you share how you would possibly tweak your riding depending on the type of terrain you are cornering? I.e. slab, sand, gravel, loose leaves/pine needles, wetter ground etc.
Great video. When pushing the bike and finding that point where it starts to slide, how do you practice this safely without crashing?
I feel pretty solid cornering…. should I be looking for more slide? I’d love to corner even more aggressively but don’t want to slam my body (purposely!) into the ground!
I agree with everything in this video but I think you missed one important point, what are you doing with your head/where are you looking? If you look around the corner more you can set your body position up for the turn, if your body position is correct then you can easily adjust the lean of the bike to maximise grip.
how do you practice or tell when you're about to lose grip before backing off? too little may not be effective, and too much may cause the front wheel to washout.
I would practice on loose dirt or grass to get a feel for it. Do it with flat pedals or be clipped out so that you can dab in case you slide out. Eventually you develop a feeling for that tipping point of where you loose your grip.
Nice video. My first time seeing you on TH-cam. Nice visuals & humor to sink in the lesson. Where are you riding? Looks like New England or the Midwest. And What is your accent , sounds Austrian. Could have sworn I heard at least a couple of Arnold T-2 lines in your video (intentional or not, ha). Again, nice video!👍
Thanks, I am in upstate New York, and yes, “I’ll be back” 😜 (not Austrian, but German)
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Other videos I’ve watched say not to drop your outside pedal because that puts your weight to the outside of the lean and tries to pull the bike back up. So which is it?
Excellent :)
Many thanks!
Thank you
Would I drop the outside foot for berms? Or do I maintain neutral position? How would one handle berms?
Depends on how steep the berm is and how fast you can rip thru it. Steep and fast berms will produce a lot of g-forces and you will need both legs to hold yourself up. I usually hit those in the neutral foot position.
Fat bike is a good thing to teach turn without turning at all :) I think this type of bikes may be solid at front. Just lean it and voilà!
Not unlike cornering on a motorcycle. More lean=tighter cornering. On a Mntn bike you don't have the weight of the motorcycle so you'd never hang a cheek to the inside like sport riders do. Moving the weight out is the only way to get more lean. Applies to CX riding very well also.
Loved the video! I'll try to simply train these "simple" corners because while on a trail descending fast I forget to do these moves and screw up most of the time but luckly don't fall because the bike end up saving me haha. Btw, what rim and tries do you use? Love the look on them!
Thanks, the tires are Schwalbe Nobby nic and the rims are Ibis S 35 (alloy)
hey sir, i have a doubt. i ride a hybrid, would the same principles apply?
Yes it will, but are you really pushing that hard thru turns on your hybrid? I hope not. Thanks for the comment. Stay safe
@@cyclingskills thanks! nope, i dont push my hybrid too far, i commute on my hybrid and im looking to upgrade my riding bike to a road bike so i thought i could practise on this one :)
this is so weird its opposite what i do on a road bike, where i learn my body into the curve and my bike out, now i gotta lean my bike over and myself out
Will weight distribution on a turn change if it’s a downhill bend?
Maybe, it’s all about equal weight on front and rear wheel. If there is a steep drop half way thru the turn you will need to adjust accordingly. Hope this helps. Cheers
you're missing an important disctinction in your explanation for clarity. You can lean your bike OR you can lean your body OR you can lean both. You can't just say lean....you need to clarify what your leaning.
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What bike is the one in the video?
I lost all my grip and now I’m wearing a cast
Are the handle bars and seat adjustable?
I do have a dropper seat post, but that doesn’t change the technique, just makes it a little easier
loosing grip is fun as long as you understand how to handle it.
I was doing this with out knowing if it was right and was lol
I would suggest people go and watch some pro DH riders and their pedal position. They will rarely be in #3 pedal position, usually closer to #2. Try doing a cutty with #3 and you will see why it's not great in a lot of situations.
Pro DH riders? what am I? chopped liver 😜 haha just kidding. I know I am old and washed up, but this video on cornering is only about flat turns without any berms or ruts. I am guessing by the use of the term cutty you must be half my age 😩 Anyway, thank you so much for watching and the feedback. Really appreciate it. Cheers 🍻 (if you’re over 21😜)
Loading tires in a turn is "nonsense?" Why do you say that?
Hi Lee 👋 I don’t even know what that means “loading tires” ? Leaning the bike takes care of that. If you mean pressing the tires into the ground, you can do that only for moments (and yes, you sometimes need to do that for extra traction here and there) but you can’t press or load tires all the way thru a long turn. Leaning you can👍 Hope this explains my method to the madness 😬 cheers 🍻
@@cyclingskills That does explain your thinking. Thank you.
0:54 happened to me😢
Nice video but your explanation misses an important point. When leaning your bike into the turn your weight pushes more vertically through the tyres into the ground. This prevents the bike from washing out underneath you. This is why you should lean the bike in the first place.
great video, but please learn what counterstearing is
I am not sure if that was an MTB tip, or a life tip.
should've watched this b4 i got crashed
Hope you didn’t hurt yourself. There is always the next ride to make things right. Have fun, cheers
With the outside pedal down you are unbalanced you have the majority of the weight on the outside wich will stand the bike up as your trying to lean it your hips and body also naturally twist the opposite direction. This teccnique is good for a sketchy off camber or loose stuff incase you need the foot down. Imagine turning this way and mid corner or the end you have an obstacle to get over you have no way to re distrbute your weight or to pop up and over it. Turning in the attack position inside foot back, pedals level as you lean the pedals remain level so inside raise slightly outside drops slightly. now imagine the same scenario you have full mobilty to change weight distribution you can compress your suspension to pop over things you are even in a better position for beaking if need be. Cornering foot down is only one way and has far less flexibility than the attack position.
Both methods have a place to be used. I can tell you from years of experience of racing BMX back in the 70's, 80's and 90's if you used your method all the time, you would have been one of the guys getting passed in the turns, especially sweepers. The method he is explaining in the video offers more traction and stability in the corner. It helps keep the center of gravity low and more inline with the actual contact points of the tire. Also it only takes a fraction of a second to go from pedal down to pedals level and you would be doing this while adjusting body position and handlebars(basically instinctively).
@@TRUTHBMXracing my point exactly both have there place. Came from that era myself with the 120mm stems, canti brakes, smoke and dart tyre combos, pre mag 21s. Oh the good old days of steel. Bmx is differant to mountain biking corners are not all perfect (assuming were not always on trail centres). I even use this technique myself on ocasion but it shouldnt be your default entry technique its easier to go from attack position to heel down even mid corner than from heel down to attack.
@@TRUTHBMXracing i was meaning to finish with .if you are in heel down position and you need to adapt to something in the trail you need to reset to attack then compress to unweight, manual, to jump, To hop, ... e.t.c, ....e.t.c . attack position is only one motion (compression) away from moving into most of these techniques including heel down. most rough trails wont give you time to reset to attack and then on to compress for the technique you require. It makes more sense to approach a corner in the most adaptable position rather than one that is for want of a better word a dead end as there are no techniques you can use without first resetting to attack from this position.
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I can turn left like a pro. Turning right I struggle. Pisses me off.
I can't turn either direction like a pro, but I do have trouble on right turns; I have scoliosis (curvature of the spine) so I attribute it to that. I just do some stretches before to try and loosen up to make it easier, but it's always a challenge. You might get checked for scoliosis. Can't really fix it, but at least you'd know.
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you know ...everytime i talk to a high level rider about riding, it becomes a little lesson in critical thinking .
U dont heel down
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Why??... 😁
Ha ha, good video but... your logic is "lean in more so that you can lean in less when you slip." Well, that logic would dictate that if you just lean in less to begin with you avoid the slip all together. This explanation is inadequate. You totally missed the discussion of "optimal lean for optimal grip" given the terrain, speed, rider, bike, etc.
You actually explain the part about leaning your bike wrong. In any kind of corner, as a general rule, you want to be leaning your bike as much as possible. The side knobs on your tire are designed to grip better, which is why they are significantly bigger. So if grip is an issue, you typically want to lean the bike more to engage the side knobs more. That's why when you see pro riders railing through flat corners, you see them leaning their bike more. It's so they can get as much grip as possible.
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Nonsense. You need to turn to handlebars. Try locking your handlebars in a straight position and try turning. Hint: you won’t.
Ok, try turning without leaning. Hint: you won’t 😜
@@cyclingskills I don’t disagree