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Its another reason why people shouldn't run to board the train on the platform. They should wait just 40 seconds.
this train system gives them a reason to wait. otherwise there'd be plenty reason.
You lot are clearly not from London even thought the next train is literally 2 mins after. It can make you at least 5 mins late if You miss a particular train especially if you’re trying to catch another train after. People who run for the train are mostly likely regular commuters like me and know this too. It’s sounds weird but it’s true
you can afford to arrive 5 mins early, think about much of a waste that would be if it were 50.
Hondasi Gamer I did live in London for about 9 years and it was worth the wait for some lines... maybe not others though.
Thats what i do. Love the tube wish it wasnt so expensive though
Amazing, only place I've seen anything like is the subways in Tokyo.
The tube is a prime example of a truly efficient turn up and go system. In Sydney the metro is every 4 minutes which is already an extremely high frequency but essentially every 40 seconds in astonishing,
The Victoria is especially frequent. Most lines are every 2 to 4 minutes in the centre (sometimes you get unlucky and there's a 5 or 6 minute gap) but often less in the outskirts
It's crazy you can see the lights of the next train as soon as the last one leaves the platform
They could put a giant moving walkway.
Finsbury Park (and most Victoria Line stations for that matter) are especially bad because they have the Piccadilly Line or other lines on the platform opposite meaning that people will just run from one to the other and the driver wouldn't see them and would close the doors and then have to open them again when someone gets stuck.
I was thinking the 90 seconds was a joke, promotional crap.. but this is fuc*ing amazing
love the sound they make as they pull away
it's even better when you hear it in person
Yeah the sound is pretty cool. It's tbr same sound though they the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan line. S stock trains make but slightly altered
Jubilee Line sounds better 👌
You should hear the desiro type train Running in Belgium under the Company nmbs
@@damiagunbiade what time did it happend?
How they're able to run trains at this frequency during peak times every day is astonishing XD
the ATO (automatic train operator system) is using variable blocks not fixed blocks, unlike the central line, so they can compact the gap further. The trains are basically talking to each other and making assumptions about where to stop and when to go as there are no signal section blocks anymore.
@Team Epiphany Tyler Yeh it either is CTBC or a modification that is basically like CBTC.
Nowadays they run trains at less than a minute apart
During rush hour trains are short turned so they can put a higher volume of trains through the busier stations.
New York needs this type of stuff
Adventure Guy
With the crazy people running to the tracks. I dont know how this will turn out.
NY subway has a chronic lack of investment because Americans don't like paying for socialist infrastructure.
stacey_p lmao false if u lived here then u would know the gov cut funding. The mta spends too much and on the wrong shit. Im so glad we got Andy Byford. He knows how this shit works.
New York City's new CBTC signaling systems allow for 30tph (every 2 minutes) and there is more capacity per train than London, so it really should be about the same.
Collin Parsons Not all lines have CBTC yet
Trains at Hong Kong during rush hour is about 2 mins per train. IT should be faster but there is just too much people trying to squeeze into the train, resulting in the doors getting stuck. The doors usually have to open and close for a few times before the train can leave XD
TheTNTPickaxe agreed, MTR is upgrade its signaling without line closure only two hours every night to do the upgrade and maintenance work on the track.
TheTNTPickaxe that happens in singapore also
Brazil too, users are big responsible for subway efficiency.
Our trains are one by one to the station 😂 We usually call it railway Traffic Jam 😂
2 Minutes is still good even for an Subway
It amazing how london trains do this. Charge into a station fast with another train ahead of it
If I remember correctly the lines with the newer trains (the ones in the 4 LM program and the Northern lines) are mostly automated in their run. The driver is more and more a supervisor rather then a conductor...
tmkoeln I see. It like the L train in New York
tmkoeln so Victoria, Central, Jubilee, Northern and DLR.
District, Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith and City have the new S-Stock but not automated yet. There has been test runs in the Hammersmith area. Coming soon.
TransitFanKid except with extremely high and efficient frequency!!!
Exactly. Problem that the L has - there's not enough "power" to run as many trains as this. Needs upgrading - luckily Andy Byford is on it!
London Underground really puts other metro systems to shame
Dan Abbott like in every other major city, people keep complaining about their subway!
Pity only London is seen as important enough to have a decent transport system 😑
+Tom Jardine
Lol, this makes me proud to be a brit!
Sydney trains always delayed
Japan Railways would like to have a word in this.
This is the one thing that caught my attention when I went to London. The frequencies are great, I went to a hotel with a station just behind, it was above ground so I could see trains approaching. And you could see a train arriving at a platform and out in the distance you could already see the next train. That's amazing.
Unfortunately that's only London
In Madrid they use ATO as well, but the train can't enter the tunnel (signal is red) until the preceeding train leaves the next station, so that's why it has a minimum wait of 2m in peak hour.
I think a lot of people take the tube for granted. People like to moan when it goes wrong, but 90% of the time on weekdays, its working fine, and the trains are this frequent (or about 1 - 3 minutes on other lines)
On the district from Wimbledon it's every 5 mins but in the core section it is like every 3 minutes
But the themes link should be linked with the tube as it does go mostly in London as its another way but the complaint is that it is every 30 mins down the Sutton loop
Same goes for most public transport in Austria, especially in Vienna (even though a yearly ticket only costs 365€ and most lines including buses and trams still come every 10 minutes).
It's basically a cycle that goes on and on and on...
The only other system that has this sort of clockwork cycle feel to it is the VAL system in Lille.
Beno Lifts VAL ????
Véhicule Automatique Léger, which I'm sure means automatic light vehicle
YoshLee yes, it has been created by siemens
Nice video bebo about every 90 seconds on the Victoria line 🤩😍🤩😍🤩😍🤩
Subways in the US wish they could be this.
Not only in the US....
It is even worse in cities where they decided to put trams or light rail in subway tunnels (like Cologne, Germany). The typical for the local system is ~10 mins on a weekday without peak travel backups.
Having been to London only just over one week last year opened my eyes...
Vee Well dubai and london has some Great metro maybe one day It can be Like this
cough cough NEW cough YORK cough cough
what was that
To be honest so do some German ones. The only disadvantage I see though is that the doors open at full stop and not >3mph, ready to detrain the passengers at full stop.
New York City has installed CBTC signals on two lines and is working to install it on a third. Their system allows for 30tph which is every two minutes. The trains themselves in NYC are larger and have more capacity than in London, so the capacity should be about the same.
One reason I love living in London. Frankly our trains systems are in my opinion the best and most efficient with timing! Now we are working on having shatterproof glass with electronic doors to prevent passengers falling onto the track on every station
No, there are fumes within the tunnels that are unsafe for passengers and so they are using PEDs to block it out.
This really proves just how much better automated train systems are. Denver is still foolishly installing their transit trains to be manually driven, along with a lot of the United States. They claim that their trains are so quick with "wait times as low as 20 minutes." I laugh at that statement now.
Elevating Denver Manual trains work well in Japan, with trains on time by seconds.
If you're not from toronto...
Mainline underground trains are manually driven, so what's your point?
Wow that’s worse than Vancouver!
Wait but the London trains are manually driven...
Jawdropping. This is an amazing network.
love the sound of the underground.
you would prefer it in person it's slightly deeper and the camera donst capture the whole sound
Just not the heat of the central line
This is almost rollercoaster efficiency. I feel sorry for the drivers in a way. All they do is close the doors
very important job though, make sure no one gets injured in the doors
I've never been to a theme park where I could call boarding "efficient".
They are all being converted to self driving carriages
Most good roller coaster operators can manage around 100s on avarage. On good days they can do under 80s. Some parks are better about it than others, and I don't know what operations are like in the UK, but in the US they are very efficient (for the most part).
However, roller coasters have a massive advantage in that all of the passengers know exactly how many seats there are, and will space themselves accordingly. Subways get a constant flow of passengers, and thus operate a bit less efficiently. On the other hand, sometimes roller coasters need to wait for the last train to clear the lift before the next train than be dispatched, slowing them down. Besides, roller coasters seat way less people than a subway.
Your avarage thrill-scale roller coaster seats about 20-30 people, and avarages about 1000+ riders/hour. Your avarage subway can fit about that many people per car, probably more, and at these speeds will get soming more like 6,000+ passengers/hour, which is just insane.
All in all, yeah, this is crazy efficient for a subway.
And press the start buttons (Starts the train), It is mandated drivers be present because London Underground has a problem of people throwing themselves in front of the trains.
As a Northerner used to five trains a _day,_ this is truly astounding!
Inky Scrolls oof that is bad, I’m a southerner (not London though) and my trains are 1 tph for high speed and 1 tph for mainline services into and out of London, it takes about 1.5 hours into London
@@tobeytransport2802 I live in Upper Austria and have 1 tph to get into the capital on a stopper. At peak times the stoppers come every 30 minutes + a few express trains which reduces the interval to 4 tph for an hour. My train is delayed most of the time because the route is mostly single-track, but it was only cancelled once in 3 years.
On my line which is used to connect Birmingham and Wolverhampton with little towns i get around 2 trains per hour
6 intercity tph between Arnhem-Amsterdam, Eindhoven-Amsterdam all via Utrecht CS in the Netherlands also a 6tph Dordrecht-Rotterdam commuter service
In 7 minutes 30 seconds five victoria line trains would arrive
London’s Victoria Line: 90 second intervals
Tyne and Wear Metro: 5-12 minutes
YEP! That's true. Though, the people up there are much friendlier than down South, so the waiting isn't all that unpleasant. For me, anyway.
Paul Metzger Tyne and Wear metro is a joke, on some parts of the system trains can take as long as 15-20 minutes between trains!
that is pretty much the best frequency I've ever seen except for the SkyLine Peoplemover at Frankfurt (Main) airport, connecting terminals 1A, 1B-C and terminal 2, which operate as often as the trains shown in this video. Otherwise, Hamburg subway has a frequency of every 2-3 minutes during rush hours. The EPIC suspended monorail Schwebebahn of Wuppertal also operates every 2 minutes. This might be a good destination for you to visit, Ben. The suspended railway acts as normal public transport in Wuppertal. They're still operating some trains built in 1972 although they're getting replaced soon.
Moscow Metropolitan's trains are even more frequent during rush hours. th-cam.com/video/gVaXLhvF3J4/w-d-xo.html
am i the only person who likes the sound of them 2009 stocks arriving and departing? also northern needs this stuff
Oldest signals on the network
ROUND 1: 1'27"9
ROUND 2: 1'26"3
ROUND 3: 1'30"4
ROUND 4: 1'23"9
ROUND 5: 1'36"0
ROUND 6: 1'26"1
yup
The platform probably spends more time with a train than without.
This is very very amaizing how london transport is managing this system. The most buisiest train system is in Germany the Berlin Underground but most trains are delayed ! Great work !
Die U-Bahnen in Berlin fahren tagsüber alle 5 Minuten. Worüber beschwerst du dich?
The computer system that runs these trains is made by Siemens, well done Germany and well down Underground
Amazing system. Best in the world thats for sure. In Toronto, rush hour means waiting 10 minutes between trains, its pathetic. Is that line on ATO? Seems like they are queing at the signal to come in...
raptureboi Seriously 10 fucking minutes! Jeez Montreal is way ahead of Toronto in terms of rush hour frequency which are actually between 2 to 3 minutes between each trains and during the night until 10 PM the frequency is at every 5 minutes!
Yeah this line is running on full ATO
raptureboi yes this is an ATO line. It's the Victoria Line. London Underground 2009 Stock Deep level Tube. It is the newest Deep level tube train on the whole Network. It runs from Brixton to Walthamstow Central. I know it because I catch this train like everyday.
No, rush hour for Toronto TTC comes every 2-3 mins. The problem is that there's too many passengers on the platform waiting to board an already full train from previous stations. This leads to delays of up to 10 mins, especially if the doors get jammed. It would be less of a problem if people were a bit more patient and wait for the next train in 2 mins rather than trying to squeeze in an already packed train.
The northern, Victoria (this one), jubilee, Central, District (coming soon), circle (coming soon), metropolitan (coming soon) and the Hammersmith and City line which is also coming soon
Trains come this quick and people rush in as the doors are closing as 90 seconds is too long!!
YUP people are terrible
I got a film premiere to attend! 90 seconds 90 schmeconds! lol
Told you!.... This video dose very well at representing the efficiency and putting it in perspective.
Commuting in London is super-stressful, and I'm glad I don't have to do it any more, but the service is truly amazing, and I wish people would be more appreciative.
Meanwhile in DC, waiting 5 minutes for a train during rush hour is nice and 10 minutes was normal. New York was better by like 3 minutes lol.
4:05 i heard some intense wee-wooing right there
Moscow have the same type of frequency due to how many trains the network operates. None of them on standby. And have a 99.99% on time rate. At this rate, London will be like this as well.
Иван Лещев Every time I’m in the rush hour in Moscow, this is the frequency I experience.
Both statements are true, but stopping in the tunnel 2-3 times in the journey makes the time longer
@@vagankovo_ivan I travel every day at peaktime on Lines 6, 12 (L1), and 9. There are trains every 60-70 seconds at Lines 6 and 9 (they are one of the most busiest, after Line 7), but Line 12 stations see a train every 2 minutes or so. Must be something to do with the fact that mor than a half of the line is overground...
The zamoskvoretskaya line has a frequency of every 45 seconds
It's just beautiful watching how efficiently the trains run in and out of stations with little time inbetween them. ATO is so satisfying when it works well!
Every *90* seconds......
a.k.a. 1½ minute.....
aka 1 minute 30 secs...
A.K.A A minute and a half
That is quite impressive! It runs like clockwork, but exact time intervals still differ within a certain margin. I wonder how they account for this drift in the timtable as some trains take only 83 seconds and the max. Allowed time is about 100 seconds. Do they only run the trains in this fast paced time table during the rush hour? It would be crazy if they did this 24/7.
Yes, its rush hour timetable.
I forget exactly which, it MIGHT be Elephant and castle on the Bakerloo, but there is a X junction leading in to the station, trains come in and depending on which platform is empty will either drive straight in, or go X over to the other platform. Both platforms are always full, when one leaves, the next is waiting in the approaching tunnel. 4 Minute timetable, non peak times.
This line runs 24 hours at the weekend. Every 10 mins..
My country's trains avoid the drift by programming the doors to stay open for a fixed duration per station & then auto-close without anyone checking if any one is in the way, though warning sounds & lights will go off 5s in advance
is it your androids footage ?
Puts Chicago to shame. They now have the Red Line to where it could handle 24 trains per hour in each direction if they'd make the commitment, but what we're seeing in this video is 40 trains per hour. The end stations on the Red are if anything better than the Victoria, a Walthamstow-style X at one end (95th street) but with added train storage sidings and another crossover beyond the platform; and a grade-separated through turnaround loop at the other end (Howard) -- the difference we're seeing here on the Victoria is better electrical and signaling systems and honestly I think better trains, and a shorter overall route. As well as a transit authority and board that are more focused on quality than you'll find in the US.
In Melbourne we can only dream of that kind of service
not even I thought my city was this popular and required like 500 trains
Every 90 seconds in the victoria line a train passes
The Soviets built underground railway lines in the USSR and eastern bloc countries that still run trains at every 80 seconds by schedule. They have an additional reversing yard with more than two lines attached to every terminal station with multiple crossovers to allow simultaneous movements instead of a simple "X junction" as you put it. Oh and every door of every car of every set is double for obvious reasons. Come and check out Budapest's Line 3.
Budapest metro is so amazing, clean and efficient! I envy you
The most frequent service on any line in the world is 90 seconds, from one line on the Moscow metro (40 trains an hour). Currently no system runs trains every 80 seconds.
The S Stock trains all have double doorways.
@@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 I bet you can prove it. Let's see.
Gabor Szabados: systems used to run trains more frequent then 90 seconds back in the day but no system does anymore. If they do it's because they have 2 car trains or something that bends the rules.
The oldest and (probably) the quickest metro system in the world.
It isn't the oldest. It was built in 1967. The oldest ones usually have tight bends in the tunnels as they did not think future trains would go fast.
Beno Lifts That's true - but I think Harry meant the whole of London Underground, rather than just then Victoria Line. The London Underground is the oldest metro system in the world.
I swear it was built in 1863
@@mrerichoodc6835 yes but the Victoria line was built in 1967
Moscow citizen in London POV: Why should I wait so long?
Nowadays this is actually more consistently faster - 2009 Stock doors open immediately and sometimes before the train even stops because of the updated signalling getting rolled out proper, so they don't dawdle
NYC's MTA wishes it had this efficiency, but its trains come every 5-7 minutes on a good day since it's running on 15+ year old (probably) trains and signals. They're saying it's going to take at least 10-15 years to get the metro system back up to shape, meanwhile their trains are constantly breaking down and causing rippling delays across the system...
London in the 90s was a terrible system with little investment. After a huge investment programme in signalling and trains did we get anything like this. So I'm sure if NYC can invest in the future it will be like this also. It's just going to get worse before it gets better.
Brandon Wongton 5-7 ? You haven’t seen the irt lines of Brooklyn in am rush the 2,3,4,5 comes back to Back
Bakerloo line trains are from 1972 and they come every 3 minutes.
50 years is a reasonable life expectancy for London Underground trains.
And here I am waiting for 37 minutes
Hey London, cheers from Moscow!
There’s like a train at each station at same time
While the 36-40 tph is impressive, I am not sure if frequency alone can constitute the Victoria line being the "most efficient". For example the Tsuen Wan Line in Hong Kong only does 30tph but has much higher capacity at 75000 people per hour per direction, using 40 tph the Victoria line can only handle 45120 people.
Exactly and for efficiency it has to never be late, and never have problems, which i'm sure london underground isn't the best for. And if frequency was just based on frequency, many metro systems have even lower frequencies. Even my small french city (the first fully automated public metro system in the world so quite old) has a 66 second frequency.
That's what I love about the Underground. I would purposely miss a train that's already at the platform because people have already taken the seats. A train would come in a space of around 30 seconds.
At Victoria, if there is a train in the platform I continue walking down to the far end of the platform where it is quiet and the time I get there the next train has already come.
Bro it is also 30 seconds 90 seconds and 30 seconds
Chingford buses 179
It’s like the Paris RER Line A, on rush hours when a train is on the platform, another train is right behind.
One of my favorite videos in TH-cam.
Meanwhile, here in DC the trains have been running at 24 minute headways since mid October.
Very impressive, but surely Japan and Singapore must have similar high-frequency transport in their major urban centers...??
Many people are comparing their subways/ train systems to this, and how they should be Better. Yes there's room for improvements, but it would be absurdly unprofitable to run a system with this much frequency if it didn't need to carry the volumes of passengers it does. Brilliant video!
The only cities that i know off that needed such a frequenzy are nyc, moscow and some asian cities
i think the london underground doesnt make a profit anyway
For the most part, London Underground is pretty reliable and if you miss a train, it’s on average running 1-3 mins at best and 10 mins at worst.
Get Citymapper or Tubemap and you won’t be caught out by delays and other problems.
It feels so futuristic. Hopefully we get the full taste of the CBTC marvel here in Mumbai soon.
In 1932 Sydney introduced a fixed block signalling system that allowed trains to run at a frequency of 42 trains an hour, or every 85 seconds.
It's amazing that it has taken 70 years to do it again.
London: trains arrive in minus 60 seconds
Meanwhile in argentina...: a TraIn EVerY thREe mInuTEs
After this video, I went on this line for the first time. It's just rapid, faster than the District IIRC.
In Tbilisi, the first line sometimes gets trains every 90 seconds and we don't even use ATO. Never understood how that was possible
My trains in Auckland NZ Be like: We will close the main hub station (Britomart) When there is a huge crowd from the stadium wanting to ride. *Insert 2 hours of waiting* Well.. I think I saw everything..
Joshua Hill trains in Wellington be like: we will shorten the trains to 4 cars during rush hour and make sure the brakes don’t work
@@lachlanwoodsmith6064 I am glad the English electric trains are gone they were crap and should have gone in 2000
I'm an Aucklander. Even the buses run faster than that. In fact they run 4-6 mins on the busy lines so you don't have to wait that long
I think the congestion would occur at Newmarket.
The London Underground's The Victoria Line.
I honestly couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw clips of this; trains were coming so fast one after another like in, out, in, out, in, out. You can still hear the last train still leaving while the next one just magically appears behind it literally seconds later. I wish my city's Red Line was like this.
There is actually a timetable. In increments of 5 seconds. Most UK rail/metro lines have working timetables in increments of half-minutes.
tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/ttn-225-20-vic.pdf
Can relate, and I live in North America.
In rush hour my local train is every 18 minutes fml
taipei metro wenhu line: hold my beer
Good old reliable victoria line but without the old
Once I saw a baker loo line train gap of 10 minutes no delays which is kinda crazy
try doing this with central or picaddilly or northern, you would never get that
The Stockholm Metro has a similar service between Gullmarsplan and Alvik Stations where there is a train every 100 seconds in rush hours.
Next train in 1 min... *yeah right, best squeeze on this one...* Arrives in under 50 seconds...
The 100 second target is not the rate that it operates at, because if it was then there would be almost no way to make up for delays. That's why it's shorter sometimes.
4:00 the Victoria line is loud
The Victoria line is the line that is shown in this video.
these trains fast af. miss one, just wait.
Number 14066 is always seen for some reason
I seriously didn’t realise the trains are so frequent. In my city the buses leave every 7 minutes and even that creates problems.
This is why I like the Victoria Line
You have to go to Moscow metro. There are the less frequency in rush hours. Lines 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 have the same frequency. The Moscow metro is using this frequency from early 1970th.
From what I have heard they did the frequency on line of sight (maybe not nowadays, but I believe they did in the past). This is something that would never be allowed in most of the world. 50 mph without signals wouldn't be considered safe in many places. Although with that said the Croydon tram goes 50 mph without signals through the Sandilands tunnel. With a good straight line of site and good fast brakes it can be safe, but isn't how things are normally done on a underground metro system.
@@benolifts Moscow metro has very difficult systems of signals. Some tips of systems, mostly without lights in tunnels. All lights has a driver in cabi: signals and recomended speed in this distance and in the next distance. The lights in tunnels on lines 2, 4, 6, 7 work only as a copies of the signals in cabins.
Same here in argentina... wait.... nope...
The Trains come fast, but the ride is very long
Lmfao massive people jam? There is almost no one entering the station. Come to NY if you wanna see a people jam. Even lines like the 7 that have trains every two-three minutes are always crowded , and jammed to the point that i dont even know how people get off
Go to Japan. The rush hours are so busy, they have people who's jobs are pushing other people onto the train.
that is clearly not peak times
One of the most interesting videos in TH-cam. Shows how tracks can be utilized with good planning and the right trains before the need for additional tracks.
0:59 why doesn't the train do tha anymore?
I remember being on the Paris metro, I think it was Line 13, and getting similar frequencies at peak hours (9-10am)
Every major city has a line that is just satisfying to watch how many people come and go. This is the one for London, and for example, in Budapest it's M3
Is that train a intelegent leveled train? XD
I think it takes 9p seconda because Victoria and brixron are very popular
The Metro system in Los Angeles really needs to invest in trains that can be reliable like this (Specifically for the Metro Blue Line which is the busiest).
The 2009 stock is fast. Along with the 1996 stock, the 1992 stock , the 1995 stock and possibly the at 100 Hitachi stock
Moscow metro is trying to get an average time of 72 seconds between trains which means 50 trains per hour
Anybody else watching this in 2020 longing for the "before times"?
So loud in announcements 6:00
Victoria line is very fast