Thank you for info. I have ct-f8282 which is the same machine but with a wood case. Had problems getting the play to work. After watching your tape I discovered the solenoid and the need to pull in. Manually pushed it and the dec played. Electricall all look good. What I found was the shaft of the solenoid was gummed up and used a little contact cleaner to get it to mobe freely and all is working great now. Now onto working the FF/Rew issue. I will try replacing the belts and the rubber drive on the motor and see were that goes. Again, thank you. Jon
I love my Pioneer CTF-700. Especially the feature where it has a meter for setting the bias. Built like a tank and has the nice coated leads on the resistors and all the cables neatly wire wrapped terminals. Only bad thing is it was a total nightmare to change all the belts. But it's still brilliant looking and sounding deck.
Lighted analog VU meters are majorly cool in my book. I had a Sharp cassette deck (with Auto Program Search System) from the same era that looked a lot like this Pioneer deck.
The only thing with analog VU meters is the response time (sweep time) compared to VFD (vacuum florescent display) or LED, neither have mass of a metal needle and of course they didn't need to be lit. I have a Sony TC-FX7 that has an LED VU and the display is back lit in a green color so the decibel numbers can be seen in low light. Not that the original mechanical VU meters aren't cool by any means I think they are too. Just a bit of background as to technology advancing the move was made to practically a ZERO response time with the VFD and LED VU meters, also called PPM (program peak meter).
@@hifismiffy Indeed the larger the needle hands are the more lag in response. It certainly could cause tape saturation with sound sources like a drum beat or other sudden sounds.
@Angelo Dagnolo. Aiwa were always good tape decks and were reasonably priced when they were an independent company (I think). In 1979 I owned the Aiwa AD6400 (?) similar to the Pioneer deck in this video. Then in the early 1980's, I bought the Aiwa AD-M800 tape deck. It was an exceptional machine and was loaded with outstanding features including 4 "memories" to save tape calibration settings. And it had a wireless remote control. Should never have traded it in! Long live cassettes! Stay safe and well.
Good cassette response for these decks was about 40cps to 12.5Kcps Normal tape and 35cps to 16.5Kcps for Cr02 no Dolby. Better decks like the Nak's with NAAC in Dolby C would easily exceed 20cps to 20Kcps with CR02 and higher with metal @ -10db record signal. Of course Metal Type IV tape was even better. Not every deck with great specs had to be a Nakamichi, many the manufacturers had midline 2 head decks with excellent response as well, some better than more expensive 3 head decks, the Nakamichi RT-202 and RT-303 among the better 2 head machines. Both Pioneer and Teac had 2 head models in the 199$ range that kicked butt. Recording FM stereo back in the day would seldom if ever exceed 20cps to 20Kcp certainly not most cheap turntables. Every cassette deck I remember had a MPX filter to record off FM Stereo broadcast. Better turntable/ phono cartridge combinations, especially those for quad LP could play back to approx. 50Kcps pilot tone required for the rear channels, I don't think any decks could record that, not at a level we could hear, maybe -100db,.. lol. Point is for mainstream recording of media, even CD and most Hi Res, 20cps to 20Kcps is more than sufficient to reproduce what is there with a nice warm response; better improved tape material and oxides became more robust and produced a better signal overall as heads and tape handling improved. Most people who hear a decent cassette deck and playback of a recording made on the deck, and even some commercially recorded tapes often were and still continue to be surprised at the quality, not believing the format was capable of such performance. Bands today release prerecorded runs in the thousands of new material and the kids (under 30 especially) buy the whole run. I keep about a dozen different decks in rotation , have more to be restored, maintain over 200 prerecorded and many hundred NOS Maxell tapes of different formula's mostly Metal and CR02 from the early 80's to about 1994 as well as TDK's.. I have maybe 500 one recording Metal and CR02 as well. I bought them when cassettes were bottomed out and stockpiled them as Maxell and TDK were stopping production. Many of those tapes now sell for 10$ US and up minimum, for a C-60. Metal C-90's can be 3X that easily. I wouldn't pay that but I don't need to. There are new cassettes being made by ATR as well as Recording The Masters (think BASF moved to France) makes new cassettes as well, and in the US National Audio Company makes them for the blank as well as runs of pre-recorded bulk stereo high fi tapes sold today. What I'm saying is even in 2022 cassette is alive and well as is open reel, if anything better machines are getting shorter in supply and many need repairs or full restoration at this point, especially those made pre 1989. Long Live ANALOG!!
Like your Videos, How do These Pioneers sound ? Great review Holy smoke!!!! 34:40 Wow, I have the CT-F9191 that I'm rebuilding and I'm shock how Good its sounds!
Well done dave, he will be very happy :-D Ahh the hold current for a solinoid, wirewound resistors are tough and lasting. I think the lighting and moving meters gives animation and life to his dads recordings. His dad would have been watching meters for playback. People like some old tech, even you keep selected mechanical devices. i don't think it's just the dollar value of the device that you like.
I just worked on one of those about a month ago, ... would not play either... turned out someone changed the belts in the past, but re-assembled it wrong , so when you hit play, the lever completely missed the micro-switch to turn on the deck...
in all honesty, this old cassette decks are made way better than the new ones with all the cool noise reduction filters, yes they have to be serviced but they have way more tough parts in the mechanical sections. I find that i usually just let the tapes play and record without any dolby or other.. Plus they are way nicer looking. My 3 head Technics RS-M63 sounds quite good and records very good as well, but you have to start with a very high quality source. If it is from a computer then I use a FLAC or from my turntable, and yes, some records don't have the best quality, but many do.
I owned a pile of great cassette decks in the past. Pioneer CT-F9191, CT-F1250, Aiwa ADF990 and presently, a Nakamichi DR-10 that runs just fine. Engineering that is nearly extinct today. A shame !
Thank you for info. I have ct-f8282 which is the same machine but with a wood case. Had problems getting the play to work. After watching your tape I discovered the solenoid and the need to pull in. Manually pushed it and the dec played. Electricall all look good. What I found was the shaft of the solenoid was gummed up and used a little contact cleaner to get it to mobe freely and all is working great now.
Now onto working the FF/Rew issue. I will try replacing the belts and the rubber drive on the motor and see were that goes.
Again, thank you.
Jon
Ah ! I owned a big brrother to this machine - a CT-F9191. What a lovely machine wrapped with a wooden top and end pieces.Solidly made as well !
I too had a CT-F9191. And guess what, the switches acted up also. A friend of mines sister had one that did the same thing happen.
Thanks for the information on solenoids
Nice unit, new meaning to "Heavy Metal" Sounds great too
I luv watching you do what you love, even if it makes you pull the hair out your head over cumbersome electronics
I still have lots of hair. A fact that i rub in constantly to all my younger friends that have little if any.
What Kool tap deck
I like your utube videos all diferen thinings you fix
You wood think people wood be in to cd player and cds
When I was a kid I did not have a streo I did not ask my mom and dad to by me a streo when I got older I got a job then I bought my first streo
Was playing a cassette while watching this.
What a kool pioneer ct f8080
@@greggaieck4119 No Just a Denon DN-770R
12 voltvids you ar kool
Neat Pioneer....Good fix D
In the UK, many bands release material on cassette right now! It's proving to be very popular! Great vid as always!
I love my Pioneer CTF-700. Especially the feature where it has a meter for setting the bias. Built like a tank and has the nice coated leads on the resistors and all the cables neatly wire wrapped terminals. Only bad thing is it was a total nightmare to change all the belts. But it's still brilliant looking and sounding deck.
Lighted analog VU meters are majorly cool in my book. I had a Sharp cassette deck (with Auto Program Search System) from the same era that looked a lot like this Pioneer deck.
The only thing with analog VU meters is the response time (sweep time) compared to VFD (vacuum florescent display) or LED, neither have mass of a metal needle and of course they didn't need to be lit. I have a Sony TC-FX7 that has an LED VU and the display is back lit in a green color so the decibel numbers can be seen in low light.
Not that the original mechanical VU meters aren't cool by any means I think they are too. Just a bit of background as to technology advancing the move was made to practically a ZERO response time with the VFD and LED VU meters, also called PPM (program peak meter).
My CT-F9191 had huge VU meters -the CT-F1250 that I owned next, had big blue VFDs fitted.
@@hifismiffy Indeed the larger the needle hands are the more lag in response. It certainly could cause tape saturation with sound sources like a drum beat or other sudden sounds.
Take a look at the lighted _vertical_ VU meters on the Teac V-5RX cassette... very cool.
Get yourself a Aiwa ADF800 in good condition, some chrome or metal tapes and you will see why people still love Tape Decks. I love mine 😁
Not many people know just how good these machines actually were. Modern day cassette mechanisms are a load of crap.
@Angelo Dagnolo. Aiwa were always good tape decks and were reasonably priced when they were an independent company (I think). In 1979 I owned the Aiwa AD6400 (?) similar to the Pioneer deck in this video. Then in the early 1980's, I bought the Aiwa AD-M800 tape deck. It was an exceptional machine and was loaded with outstanding features including 4 "memories" to save tape calibration settings. And it had a wireless remote control. Should never have traded it in! Long live cassettes! Stay safe and well.
Good cassette response for these decks was about 40cps to 12.5Kcps Normal tape and 35cps to 16.5Kcps for Cr02 no Dolby. Better decks like the Nak's with NAAC in Dolby C would easily exceed 20cps to 20Kcps with CR02 and higher with metal @ -10db record signal. Of course Metal Type IV tape was even better. Not every deck with great specs had to be a Nakamichi, many the manufacturers had midline 2 head decks with excellent response as well, some better than more expensive 3 head decks, the Nakamichi RT-202 and RT-303 among the better 2 head machines.
Both Pioneer and Teac had 2 head models in the 199$ range that kicked butt. Recording FM stereo back in the day would seldom if ever exceed 20cps to 20Kcp certainly not most cheap turntables. Every cassette deck I remember had a MPX filter to record off FM Stereo broadcast. Better turntable/ phono cartridge combinations, especially those for quad LP could play back to approx. 50Kcps pilot tone required for the rear channels, I don't think any decks could record that, not at a level we could hear, maybe -100db,.. lol.
Point is for mainstream recording of media, even CD and most Hi Res, 20cps to 20Kcps is more than sufficient to reproduce what is there with a nice warm response; better improved tape material and oxides became more robust and produced a better signal overall as heads and tape handling improved. Most people who hear a decent cassette deck and playback of a recording made on the deck, and even some commercially recorded tapes often were and still continue to be surprised at the quality, not believing the format was capable of such performance. Bands today release prerecorded runs in the thousands of new material and the kids (under 30 especially) buy the whole run.
I keep about a dozen different decks in rotation , have more to be restored, maintain over 200 prerecorded and many hundred NOS Maxell tapes of different formula's mostly Metal and CR02 from the early 80's to about 1994 as well as TDK's.. I have maybe 500 one recording Metal and CR02 as well. I bought them when cassettes were bottomed out and stockpiled them as Maxell and TDK were stopping production. Many of those tapes now sell for 10$ US and up minimum, for a C-60. Metal C-90's can be 3X that easily. I wouldn't pay that but I don't need to.
There are new cassettes being made by ATR as well as Recording The Masters (think BASF moved to France) makes new cassettes as well, and in the US National Audio Company makes them for the blank as well as runs of pre-recorded bulk stereo high fi tapes sold today. What I'm saying is even in 2022 cassette is alive and well as is open reel, if anything better machines are getting shorter in supply and many need repairs or full restoration at this point, especially those made pre 1989. Long Live ANALOG!!
Does sound nice.
Like your Videos, How do These Pioneers sound ? Great review Holy smoke!!!! 34:40 Wow, I have the CT-F9191 that I'm rebuilding and I'm shock how Good its sounds!
Well done dave, he will be very happy :-D
Ahh the hold current for a solinoid, wirewound resistors are tough and lasting.
I think the lighting and moving meters gives animation and life to his dads recordings.
His dad would have been watching meters for playback.
People like some old tech, even you keep selected mechanical devices.
i don't think it's just the dollar value of the device that you like.
I just worked on one of those about a month ago, ... would not play either... turned out someone changed the belts in the past, but re-assembled it wrong , so when you hit play, the lever completely missed the micro-switch to turn on the deck...
in all honesty, this old cassette decks are made way better than the new ones with all the cool noise reduction filters, yes they have to be serviced but they have way more tough parts in the mechanical sections. I find that i usually just let the tapes play and record without any dolby or other.. Plus they are way nicer looking. My 3 head Technics RS-M63 sounds quite good and records very good as well, but you have to start with a very high quality source. If it is from a computer then I use a FLAC or from my turntable, and yes, some records don't have the best quality, but many do.
Now I know the purpose of the didode accoss relay coils.
Spark suppressor.
Apparently there's not a single IC in this machine, it's all transistor.
More parts to fail 😃
@@12voltvids More repair jobs for experts such as yourself to look forward to. 😁
the old crap worked better then the new crap I will only buy old crap for audio
Old crap keeps us old techs working. I like old crap too.
I owned a pile of great cassette decks in the past. Pioneer CT-F9191, CT-F1250, Aiwa ADF990 and presently, a Nakamichi DR-10 that runs just fine. Engineering that is nearly extinct today. A shame !
@@hifismiffy times change.