This gun used in the Vietnam war but I dont know the M203 grenade launcher when was it attached probably later since the ones used in Vietnam didn't have rifle grenade launchers yet
According to Wikipedia, it was adopted in the early 70s so its possible it saw some Vietnam deployment. I bet there are folks in the comments that served in that theater and would know for sure?
The M203 was fielded in Vietnam by 1969. They were already using the M79 for a while there, but it was it's own weapon like a rifle. Keeping the grenadiers from having a rifle of their own. I guess the green giant wanted to help out the grenadiers and combine the two.
A Maverick 88 would have worked better for that purpose than a Mossberg 500 due to the position of the safety. When underslung like that, the user would have a hard time accessing a Mossberg 500's tang safety, whereas the Maverick 88's crossbolt safety would be easy to use. But that's the one and only instance where a crossbolt safety beats a tang safety.
I was issued this weapon for a time when I was in the 1/327th 101st ABN back in 90-94. The HE round wasn't propelled by a 38 blank, only.the Orange chalk practice rounds were, the HE , HEDP were propelled by the standard hi-low pressure system. It was like a artillery primer in a sealed cup that had some blow out holes into the cartridge case.. it was a way to launch the grenade with as little recoil as possible. I shot a bunch of HE on the ranges, didn't look too impressive. The 40mm didnt have a stellar reputation for stopping power when it hit out in the open... but if you shot one into an enclosed area like a spider hole or bunker, it blew the clothes off parts of you and burned you pretty bad usually killing you just by concussion, it was like being hit in the head with a baseball bat. But out in the open it was known for landing right next to a guy and he would be knocked down and he would just get back up and run off.
@@hollywoodguns I carried the M60 too, for about a year.. I have not seen your video on it yet. We called it "The Pig" by 1990 the 60s were mostly shot to shit and were unreliable. They subbed out a lot of the components to a bunch of different companies and the army would stick new parts on old guns and they just didn't fit together very well, you were lucky to get through 200rds without a malfunction of some kind.. the pig kinda sucked in real life.
@@Gloomshadow100 I served with my local Army National Guard Field Artillery Unit here in Southern Indiana, the 38th Infantry Division -163rd Field Artillery. I had my first summer camp at Ft Campbell in 1983. We spent most of our drill weekends firing our 105mm Guns on the firing ranges at Ft Campbell and I qualified with my M-16A1 and M-60 there too every year. I have much respect for you 101st soldiers ! Just a great bunch of guys and gals !
@@Gloomshadow100 Our old M-16A1 rifles were like that. Just beat to death and wore out ! I carried my M60 for close to 5 years. She was pretty beat up, but I honestly didn't have much trouble with it. It fired live rounds and blank ammo very reliablly. Out of the 6 we had in my Battery, 4 did good and 2 were always having problems.
@@Gloomshadow100 That's what happens to pretty much any small arm in Big Army use. Pistols and MGs in particular. The SEALs stuck with the Mk 43 SOF versions through the 90s because they were able to maintain them religiously.
@@BunyipDude probably, but I was 7 when Scarface came out and 12 when Predator did so mentally I just missed Scarface, but Arnie was huge as I became a teenager. It was probably early 90s when I first saw Predator. I had friends with older brothers so we saw a lot of movies on VCRs that we were too young to see at the time.
I feel the problem with Predator is that the minigun massively overshadowed it. Especially since that was a prop developed (or at least first used) specifically in that film that was only based on a real weapon. It might have had a chance of standing out if not for that. Instead, when you think "Predator gun", almost everyone is going to think of the minigun first.
@@hollywoodgunsI agree too, but your mistaken. Tony’s “Little Friend” was the 40mm grenade itself not the gun it was shot from. Rewatch the scene again, it make a lot more sense.
@@hollywoodguns keep your pace with reviews steady. Some uploaders get excited with content and end up out of ideas. A question of this and maybe branching if things get thin. There's a whole other world of "sci fi weapons inspired by real guns". Westerns will be a sea of opportunity
@@BURP39R Thanks for the suggestions mate. I should be good on material for a long while - I have about 40 movie guns myself (although many are quite obscure and reflect my weird taste!) and my new benefactor, Bear Arms have about 500! I also plan to do part 2's to nearly every video to expand upon things I've learned in the comments and cover additional movies that I couldn't include in part 1s. And that's before I even get to the requests for traditional field strips and shooting scenes. My main issue is if I can raise some funds from the channel to cover all the costs of production and work I'm putting in. Currently I have two jobs and this one is so far is just a labor of love!!!
@@hollywoodgunsThat's great to hear chief. These videos are a great bookend to Jonathan Ferguson's channel over here in Blighty. There's some top pickings from Dogs of War if my memory holds up. And as for Lord of War. I'll say one thing on the latter. There's a weapon dump of thousands of weapons shown. They were all real. It was cheaper than props. Incredible. 👍
'AR-15' is the overall name for the family of weapons that includes the M16 and was marked on all rifles including most of the M16A1s ever produced. Thousands of full auto rifles were made marked and described in marketing materials and internally at Colt as 'AR-15'. 'AR-15' was later dropped from M16 rollmarks, but not until well into M16A1 production. It's at this point that 'AR-15' mistakenly became associated with the SP-1 and later semi-auto variants which had their own model names and so weren't called 'M16'. Which is why people think AR-15=semi and M16=auto. Not the case.
Another fun point, since the specifications M16 and M4 are obsolete (I think M16A2 and M4A1 are the oldest still in service) Colt copyrighted M16 and M4. They make title one compliant ones that are not related to the DoD milspec. Not only does the civilian M4 have a 16" barrel, but it also has the flat top picatinny upper that is a characteristic of the M4A1
@@rusty2381 If you search the USPTO database you'll find that Colt did apply for the trademarks for 'M16' and 'M4' but both were ruled invalid a few years later (2007). Minor point, but the flat top is characteristic of both M4 and M4A1 other than very early examples and the XM4 prototype. Technically the only difference between the two variants is three round burst vs full auto (the M4A1 later received a heavier profile barrel initially for SOF).
@@TheSundayShooter Thanks, I did try originally but just my name was already taken so I didn't start trying different options. However, I've just found a good replacement :)
I spoke to a Vietnam vet once about his preference between his issued M79 and the M203. He said he liked the M79 because it was easier to reload from the prone
I think you picked the right movie for the showcase. There are a ton of weapons in Predator. In Scarface, the weapon carried the scene and was showcased without a lot of competition. If anyone as a civilian in the US wants to own one of these, you can. They are in production. There are also a lot of less expensive alternative launchers available. It is a bit of a pain though if you want to do it legally. There is NFA paperwork, Form 1 or 4 depending on if you are manufacturing or just transferring, and a $200 tax for a Destructive Device. The really annoying part is a lot of the best ammo, like HE or HEDP also require paperwork and tax for each round. The only viable way to shot this thing as a civilian is lots of practice rounds, or have an explosives manufacturing FFL. Alternatively, if you want the looks but are okay with not being able to double as a light mortar team, there are tons of 37mm launchers on the market, some of them exact copies of the M203. No tax stamp, and can stilll launch some intersting things, just not explosives.
Actually, no. The AR15 is simply the original naming given to the rifle by ArmaLite. Early military models were still roll-stamped as the Ar15 from Colt or other companies. While it is easy to say "ar15 civillian M16 military." As the military designation was the M16 (Military, 16th rifle) they are for all intents and purposes the same gun. Early civillian models also had full auto capabilities before that became too taboo and colt stopped offering it. (however before the machinegun ban there were still fully automatic and burst variants and sear packs sold to civillians from factory.) EDIT: it was also always designed to be a military firearm. From the get-go it was designed for the military rifle program to replace the m14.
If by "civilians" you mean law enforcement agencies that Colt might have sold select-fire AR-15's to. Otherwise, an ordinary citizen would have been permitted to mill and drill something like a Colt SP1 [R6000] with an ATF Form 1 prior to 1986. The example in Scarface is one such unit, except it was registered under the firearms license of the prop house as a "pre-sample"
There are only a couple of companies that provided automatic weapons for Hollywood movies/ tv-shows, so it's pretty common that the same firearms were used over and over again in several different productions. Another example is the Mini-Gun, which was used in Predator & Terminator 2 and then again in the Predators movie and there are various MP5's which were used over & over in tons of movies.
During my Army Basic Training in 1982, i got to fire 2 practice rounds from the M203, which was attached to an M-16A1. I did handle a few more M203's once at my permanent unit, but was never issued one or fired one again. (I did volunteer to carry an M-60, which i loved !). We were told in Basic Training that the M203 kicked like a 12 Guage shotgun. I personally didn't think the kick was near that much.
hey Wilson! i love your work! Just for your education, take the following into consideration: The AR-15 is the PLATFORM and the M16 is the Subvarient. This is easy to remember because of some of the other Sub varients on the market... One comes to mind is the M-4 Carbine, the M16-a1, M16-a2... and many others im sure. I thought what you thought for many years myself, but Patrick Ferguson over at the Royal Armories YT Channel had a Special that explained this in a way that i could understand... Hope this helps!!! I love your work, and I keep an eye out every week for when a new vid goes live by you :D Cheers Mate :D
Reason for that misinformation all around comes from both end of the gun debate.... No matter the lable for a variation, (functions and setup) they are ALL AR-15 rifles. So no matter what the agency/military branch in any country calls there variant, it's still an AR-15 platform rifle.
@@radekvamowski8092 You're right, it was foolish of us to assume the back foot by arguing that retail models of AR-15 were different from ones procured by military and law enforcement. The debate must be framed around the fact our right to select-fire is protected by the Constitution
... I too was issued this combo when I was in the Army ( '79 - '89 ) and loved it's versatility, the last two years when I was in I was a Command Driver for a Major and requested to be issued a M 203 where the drivers were normally carrying a standard M 16 A2 rifle ...
Got a chance to fire M203s in the marines. Definitely the funnest weapon I've ever fired. . Very accurate and you always see that impact right where you are aiming
I carried that as well back in the day . The armorer looked at me and said “where are you from private “? I said Brooklyn lol and that is what I signed for ….thoooomp !!
If you are a 1-man army, the M16/M203 is the most important weapon you can have. Tony Montana got that right. Thanks for the video. I like it. Learned a couple new things about this firearm. Well done and thorough. Thanks.
There was a paperback companion novel for Scarface and in that version Tony used a shoulder fired rocket launcher instead of a 203. I thought that ending was a little more spectacular as he was riddled with slugs and the rocket exploded, turning him into a fireball and blowing him off an outside balcony to the grounds below. He also had a great last line in the book: "Tony Montana! He died doin' it!"
I was a Marine on the USS Midway not long after this movie came out. Any time I carried the M-203 on duty at least one sailor would be heard saying "hey that's the gun from Scarface " .😅
My favourite gun in OperationFlashpoint back in the day (still playin' it to this day). Perfect tool to mitigate situations in which you really come under pressure, no matter if it's some infantry, a suddenly appearing fully manned truck or blowing yourself accidently away in the heat of a gunfight...
Great video! (I had the Schwarzenegger “Predator” poster on my bedroom wall in the 90’s). According to USA Col. David Hackworth, early M-16/M203 models tested out in Vietnam where called by the troops the “Over and Under”. Both were initially despised by his troops, who much preferred the stand alone M79 40mm grenade launcher (which also fired jungle-clearing 40mm shotgun shells). While serving in the Marines I was issued an M-16/M203 (w/classic Hollywood hand guards! (Till the armorers updated it w/rails)). I wish that little lunatic could have known that one day he’d have “Dutch’s” very same “gun” attached to him 24/7.
Loved this one both incredible films, but like the majority in the comments Predator also wins it for me such an amazing film, Scarface not far behind though. Glad to see the channel growing and glad to see Bear Arms hoping this means you have an unlimited amount of guns on hand to talk about 😊
Look closer, he has two 40 round mags clipped together in a way where you flip the empty one for a quick reload. Tony also puts at least one 30rd mag in his suit pocket as well. 40+40+30=110.
A couple bits of trivia about the workings of the 40mm grenades. They arm by spinning as they come out of the barrel. Some have shorter and others have longer ranges. There are some with only a 2 meter arming range though they are uncommon but those could have worked like in the movie, though Tony would have gotten a face full of fragments. The one drawback to this arming system is that if it’s interrupted you can get a dud, at least until it gets spun more. This can happen if the grenade hits a branch or something else on the way out. So the scene where Dutch shoots the Russian with a grenade and it not exploding is accurate. The other thing is how the grenade fires. It’s not like a regular cartridge, it uses a “hi-lo” system. When fired the propellant is all contained in a small container inside the shell. Once the pressure is high enough the sides of the container ruptures and the gas then pressurizes the larger case. This lower pressure is still enough to launch the grenade like a ping pong ball gun and is why it makes that distinctive “bloop” sound. This also means it has no muzzle blast as all the propellant is burned in the first stage.
Thanks for all this extra detail. BTW, when Dutch shoots the Russian, I think it was with a shotgun style shell - i recall reading one of the options was a 20 ball load (or similar). I think I saw multiple wounds when I hit pause….?
@ That could be though it’s somewhat unlikely. The buckshot round was designed for use with the old M79 grenade launcher. This was to give the grenadier some close in defense besides just a 1911 handgun. It was rather low powered and wasn’t really needed when the grenadier has an M16 right there in his hands.
Nobody seems to have mentioned the SOUND a 40mm round makes when fired. The M79 was not nicknamed the “bloop tube” for nothin’. The high-low propulsion system resulted in a sound like “THOOMP” when fired. Quieter even than a handgun round, but Hollywood probably demands a huge roar when fired, just like binoculars have to produce a horizontal figure-8 field of view for the audience. I was getting out as the M203 was coming in, so I only fired the M79 on the range, with the green-top practice rounds. It had only a tiny charge, enough for a small flash and bang, making it safe to fire on a regular rifle range.
You made the right choice. As good as Predator was, 99% of people who see the M16/M203 combo immediately think "Say hello to my little friend". Also, and just my opinion, it may have had more screen time in Predator but it had more impact on screen in Scarface. You see Schwarzenegger playing some black ops special forces and you just expect a weapon like that, to a point where you may not really notice it. Its just military equipment like fatigues or boots. But when Pacino grabs it and you first see it, it sets him apart from the rest of the bad guys in the movie that are using an assortment of typical bad guy guns that were probably modified in a garage before being sold in an alley. This aint now mac 11 thats been circulating the streets for a decade. This is military hardware that you gotta have some crazy ass connections to wind up with. Really compliments his character better than any other weapon could have. Its not lost in the scenery, that rifle became a factor in how that scene became iconic.
Infantry veteran here. I also carried this one. Qualified expert with it. You lobed the grenades through windows on buildings at different distances. The site on the fore stock was decent but the army also had a detachable sight that would clip unto the carry handle. The clip on was supposed to be more accurate. it was a matter of preference. it sometimes fell off during movement, especially at night. This thing kicks like a 12 gauge shotgun. When aiming you would aim it high, it felt very odd. ALSO you couldn't mount a bayonet because the 203 barrel would block the bayonet lug! This was made for CQB not for use in the open because hand grenades did a better job as well as mortars. You also had to slightly adjust your shooting style because your left hand is lower while holding the weapon. Which meant you would bring the weapon up too high when firing 5.556.
I've also seen it in Missing in Action and My Science Project. I was issued this weapon in the Army when I was a grenadier in my squad. Then I was lucky to switch to a machine gunner with the M249 SAW. You should do an episode on that. Keep up the entertainment.
Well, okie dokie then, this channel is becoming very entertaining! Since you are going to gun shops, and maybe prop houses one day, i would think an episode on the 1911 in movies and tv would be quite informative. Great job...subbed...continued success.🇺🇸👍🇬🇧
Even though Tony Montana served in the Cuban military. It just shows how well the AR platform is able to be understood. Either he used it in the military himself, or he bought it to fit in with american culture and flaunt the amount of money he truly has
One of the most epic movie last stands and epic weapons used in one. Imagine if Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid had a couple, we wouldn't call it a Bolivian Army Ending, we'd call it a Holy Forking Shirtballs The Bolivian Army Got Wasted ending. Assuming Bolivian Skull didn't sneak up on them.
Wow, you must be a mind reader. I'm currently working on the script and it may be the next video - Toss up between that and a Lee Enfield No1 mk3 as I want to do a double header on Dunkirk and 1917.
Like many kids who grew up in the 90s Scarface was always seen as too violent for me and my friends to watch but for whatever reason my parents thought Predator was perfectly okay😅
18:44 "Hey, kids! Sven-Ole Thorsen! (Applause)" He later used a Valmet M78/83 (in 7.62x51) in Hard Target. In Commando, Arnie used a Valmet M78/83 (in 7.62x39). That same gun was also in Predator because both movies were supplied by the same theatrical armory. In Predator, it's only seen briefly, and it's likely playing the role of an RPK. 18:51 Why was there a gun-cock sound effect there when the gun wasn't being cocked? Do foley artists enjoy insulting the audience, or do directors command them to do so?
I might get booed off here, but my favorite Predator gun was Sonny Landham's M16/Mossberg 500 combo; maybe because I saw an ad for the undermount brackets in a Soldier of Fortune I read on the way to the theater in '87 (bet that safety was a bitch to use though).
Great info on tbe weapons, love these videos, as being an Aussie, I dont get my hands on guns at all, esp these types. Im sure it also features in the movie 'Proof of Life'?..
Mr AlPacino had an ouchie as he held the guns shroud cover and blanks heated the gun so movies are painful kids.... But his delivery of Say hello to my little friend is the line all teen boys used to say randomly during the day ...... trust me on this one .
Sarah connors m4 came with a telescope and lazer sight Yoo U can only use one each at a time either the lazer sight or the grende launcher but not both
@@hollywoodguns I was hesitant for putting predator because I forgot the year and that they didn't use a real m203 but a 37mm flare launcher mocked up to look like an m203
100%! I did put up a test store to see how everything works, but it has some technical issues so its not up at the moment. When it comes back up it will only have some basic logo merch on it. I'm working on my original gun/one liner designs as we speak and hoping these will be ready in a couple of weeks.
19:15 I always find it funny when my Husband,Son and father-in-law call this scene “Great moments in man movies history next to “the wild bunch” final scenes”. My husband and father-in-law are both veterans and love to watch movies. I would like to ask, Will you ever do the famous firearm in the 1978 film “The wild Geese”
@ My husband met Michael “Mad Mike” Hoare in 2010 when he was serving in the SANDF and got to talk to him. My husband loves “The Wild Geese” and even owns a Para Fal and FN FAL. I enjoyed The Wild Geese too and South Africa has a special place in my heart being my husband’s homeland.
@@MayumiC-chan9377 Wow, that's so awesome. If your hubby has any war stories he could share from that meeting, ask him to PM me please and I might be able to work them into the script for the Wild Geese video. I read that he was the inspiration for that movie.....? I was planning it out today and will probably make it the center piece for my Uzi video. I too own a Belgian FAL and its probably the jewel of my collection. It will be making an appearance in this video, although as it is a commercial import, it was never actually featured in a movie. Tell your husband, that I'll be doing a video on his Para FAL soon for HEAT!
Greetings from Scotland! 🏴 Right; Predator - the scene where Arnie/Dutch’s team attack the enemy HQ, he says “Knock knock”. Heartbreak Ridge - When Clint/Highway and his marines are sent to Grenada and come under attack by invading forces. Sadly that’s all I got 🤓
This gun used in the Vietnam war but I dont know the M203 grenade launcher when was it attached probably later since the ones used in Vietnam didn't have rifle grenade launchers yet
According to Wikipedia, it was adopted in the early 70s so its possible it saw some Vietnam deployment. I bet there are folks in the comments that served in that theater and would know for sure?
There are plenty images of soldiers using m203 in Vietnam
The M203 was fielded in Vietnam by 1969. They were already using the M79 for a while there, but it was it's own weapon like a rifle. Keeping the grenadiers from having a rifle of their own. I guess the green giant wanted to help out the grenadiers and combine the two.
Billy's M16 with a pump shogun underneath in Predator was cool too.
Yes, very cool indeed!
A Maverick 88 would have worked better for that purpose than a Mossberg 500 due to the position of the safety. When underslung like that, the user would have a hard time accessing a Mossberg 500's tang safety, whereas the Maverick 88's crossbolt safety would be easy to use. But that's the one and only instance where a crossbolt safety beats a tang safety.
Masterkey M16 is practically effective.
I was issued this weapon for a time when I was in the 1/327th 101st ABN back in 90-94. The HE round wasn't propelled by a 38 blank, only.the Orange chalk practice rounds were, the HE , HEDP were propelled by the standard hi-low pressure system. It was like a artillery primer in a sealed cup that had some blow out holes into the cartridge case.. it was a way to launch the grenade with as little recoil as possible. I shot a bunch of HE on the ranges, didn't look too impressive. The 40mm didnt have a stellar reputation for stopping power when it hit out in the open... but if you shot one into an enclosed area like a spider hole or bunker, it blew the clothes off parts of you and burned you pretty bad usually killing you just by concussion, it was like being hit in the head with a baseball bat. But out in the open it was known for landing right next to a guy and he would be knocked down and he would just get back up and run off.
Thanks for all this information mate!
@@hollywoodguns I carried the M60 too, for about a year.. I have not seen your video on it yet. We called it "The Pig" by 1990 the 60s were mostly shot to shit and were unreliable. They subbed out a lot of the components to a bunch of different companies and the army would stick new parts on old guns and they just didn't fit together very well, you were lucky to get through 200rds without a malfunction of some kind.. the pig kinda sucked in real life.
@@Gloomshadow100 I served with my local Army National Guard Field Artillery Unit here in Southern Indiana, the 38th Infantry Division -163rd Field Artillery. I had my first summer camp at Ft Campbell in 1983. We spent most of our drill weekends firing our 105mm Guns on the firing ranges at Ft Campbell and I qualified with my M-16A1 and M-60 there too every year. I have much respect for you 101st soldiers ! Just a great bunch of guys and gals !
@@Gloomshadow100 Our old M-16A1 rifles were like that. Just beat to death and wore out ! I carried my M60 for close to 5 years. She was pretty beat up, but I honestly didn't have much trouble with it. It fired live rounds and blank ammo very reliablly. Out of the 6 we had in my Battery, 4 did good and 2 were always having problems.
@@Gloomshadow100 That's what happens to pretty much any small arm in Big Army use. Pistols and MGs in particular. The SEALs stuck with the Mk 43 SOF versions through the 90s because they were able to maintain them religiously.
This will always be more of the Predator gun than the Scarface gun but I love it all the same. Also in the massively underrated 2004 Punisher movie.
Yeah, it was more predator for me too. Scarface was a few years before I got old enough to watch R rated movies.
@@hollywoodguns Isn’t “Predator” also R-rated?
Knock Knock..........
@@BunyipDude probably, but I was 7 when Scarface came out and 12 when Predator did so mentally I just missed Scarface, but Arnie was huge as I became a teenager. It was probably early 90s when I first saw Predator. I had friends with older brothers so we saw a lot of movies on VCRs that we were too young to see at the time.
I feel the problem with Predator is that the minigun massively overshadowed it. Especially since that was a prop developed (or at least first used) specifically in that film that was only based on a real weapon. It might have had a chance of standing out if not for that. Instead, when you think "Predator gun", almost everyone is going to think of the minigun first.
The most badass looking gun in history.
It might well be!
An iconic gun that took part in 2 of the MOST iconic gun scenes in cinema.
Glad you agree with me!!!!! AWESOME
@@hollywoodgunsI agree too, but your mistaken. Tony’s “Little Friend” was the 40mm grenade itself not the gun it was shot from. Rewatch the scene again, it make a lot more sense.
Old school M16 with an M203 grenade launcher is the most aesthetic of the entire AR family.
100% agree!
I loved using the M-16/M203 combo in Scarface: The World is Yours on the PlayStation 2.
I really enjoyed this. The lack of "Push it to the Limit" though was hard to take 🤣
I'll probably do another video on this soon.
@@hollywoodguns keep your pace with reviews steady. Some uploaders get excited with content and end up out of ideas.
A question of this and maybe branching if things get thin.
There's a whole other world of "sci fi weapons inspired by real guns".
Westerns will be a sea of opportunity
@@BURP39R Thanks for the suggestions mate. I should be good on material for a long while - I have about 40 movie guns myself (although many are quite obscure and reflect my weird taste!) and my new benefactor, Bear Arms have about 500! I also plan to do part 2's to nearly every video to expand upon things I've learned in the comments and cover additional movies that I couldn't include in part 1s. And that's before I even get to the requests for traditional field strips and shooting scenes. My main issue is if I can raise some funds from the channel to cover all the costs of production and work I'm putting in. Currently I have two jobs and this one is so far is just a labor of love!!!
@@hollywoodgunsThat's great to hear chief. These videos are a great bookend to Jonathan Ferguson's channel over here in Blighty.
There's some top pickings from Dogs of War if my memory holds up.
And as for Lord of War. I'll say one thing on the latter. There's a weapon dump of thousands of weapons shown. They were all real. It was cheaper than props. Incredible. 👍
This is quickly becoming one one of my FAVORITE channels😁
Awesome!
'AR-15' is the overall name for the family of weapons that includes the M16 and was marked on all rifles including most of the M16A1s ever produced. Thousands of full auto rifles were made marked and described in marketing materials and internally at Colt as 'AR-15'. 'AR-15' was later dropped from M16 rollmarks, but not until well into M16A1 production. It's at this point that 'AR-15' mistakenly became associated with the SP-1 and later semi-auto variants which had their own model names and so weren't called 'M16'. Which is why people think AR-15=semi and M16=auto. Not the case.
Well summarised! By the by, you can remove _1211_ from your *Handle* under the *Customise channel* option
Another fun point, since the specifications M16 and M4 are obsolete (I think M16A2 and M4A1 are the oldest still in service) Colt copyrighted M16 and M4. They make title one compliant ones that are not related to the DoD milspec. Not only does the civilian M4 have a 16" barrel, but it also has the flat top picatinny upper that is a characteristic of the M4A1
@@rusty2381 If you search the USPTO database you'll find that Colt did apply for the trademarks for 'M16' and 'M4' but both were ruled invalid a few years later (2007). Minor point, but the flat top is characteristic of both M4 and M4A1 other than very early examples and the XM4 prototype. Technically the only difference between the two variants is three round burst vs full auto (the M4A1 later received a heavier profile barrel initially for SOF).
@@TheSundayShooter Thanks, I did try originally but just my name was already taken so I didn't start trying different options. However, I've just found a good replacement :)
Can you PM me a screenshot of the 1211? I dont see that on my handle....... Thanks.
I spoke to a Vietnam vet once about his preference between his issued M79 and the M203. He said he liked the M79 because it was easier to reload from the prone
I think you picked the right movie for the showcase. There are a ton of weapons in Predator. In Scarface, the weapon carried the scene and was showcased without a lot of competition.
If anyone as a civilian in the US wants to own one of these, you can. They are in production. There are also a lot of less expensive alternative launchers available. It is a bit of a pain though if you want to do it legally. There is NFA paperwork, Form 1 or 4 depending on if you are manufacturing or just transferring, and a $200 tax for a Destructive Device. The really annoying part is a lot of the best ammo, like HE or HEDP also require paperwork and tax for each round. The only viable way to shot this thing as a civilian is lots of practice rounds, or have an explosives manufacturing FFL.
Alternatively, if you want the looks but are okay with not being able to double as a light mortar team, there are tons of 37mm launchers on the market, some of them exact copies of the M203. No tax stamp, and can stilll launch some intersting things, just not explosives.
Actually, no. The AR15 is simply the original naming given to the rifle by ArmaLite. Early military models were still roll-stamped as the Ar15 from Colt or other companies. While it is easy to say "ar15 civillian M16 military." As the military designation was the M16 (Military, 16th rifle) they are for all intents and purposes the same gun. Early civillian models also had full auto capabilities before that became too taboo and colt stopped offering it. (however before the machinegun ban there were still fully automatic and burst variants and sear packs sold to civillians from factory.) EDIT: it was also always designed to be a military firearm. From the get-go it was designed for the military rifle program to replace the m14.
Thanks for the correction and extra info.
If by "civilians" you mean law enforcement agencies that Colt might have sold select-fire AR-15's to. Otherwise, an ordinary citizen would have been permitted to mill and drill something like a Colt SP1 [R6000] with an ATF Form 1 prior to 1986. The example in Scarface is one such unit, except it was registered under the firearms license of the prop house as a "pre-sample"
There are only a couple of companies that provided automatic weapons for Hollywood movies/ tv-shows, so it's pretty common that the same firearms were used over and over again in several different productions. Another example is the Mini-Gun, which was used in Predator & Terminator 2 and then again in the Predators movie and there are various MP5's which were used over & over in tons of movies.
During my Army Basic Training in 1982, i got to fire 2 practice rounds from the M203, which was attached to an M-16A1. I did handle a few more M203's once at my permanent unit, but was never issued one or fired one again. (I did volunteer to carry an M-60, which i loved !). We were told in Basic Training that the M203 kicked like a 12 Guage shotgun. I personally didn't think the kick was near that much.
Great memories, thanks for sharing mate!
hey Wilson! i love your work! Just for your education, take the following into consideration:
The AR-15 is the PLATFORM
and the M16 is the Subvarient.
This is easy to remember because of some of the other Sub varients on the market...
One comes to mind is the M-4 Carbine, the M16-a1, M16-a2... and many others im sure.
I thought what you thought for many years myself, but Patrick Ferguson over at the Royal Armories YT Channel had a Special that explained this in a way that i could understand... Hope this helps!!! I love your work, and I keep an eye out every week for when a new vid goes live by you :D
Cheers Mate :D
Reason for that misinformation all around comes from both end of the gun debate....
No matter the lable for a variation, (functions and setup) they are ALL AR-15 rifles.
So no matter what the agency/military branch in any country calls there variant, it's still an AR-15 platform rifle.
@@radekvamowski8092 You're right, it was foolish of us to assume the back foot by arguing that retail models of AR-15 were different from ones procured by military and law enforcement. The debate must be framed around the fact our right to select-fire is protected by the Constitution
I carried the 203 in the Air Force as a Fireteam member. The 203 is fun to shoot, even with training rounds. Surprisingly accurate for what it is.
18:57 Best scene in movie history, how to build a helicopter landing pad in the jungle very quickly.
I was issued one during 26 yr career with U.S. Army. Also carried the M-79 Grenade Launcher.
You won my subscription with this one. Can’t wait to see what you got next!
Thanks, I have a couple of lesser known guns up next and then back to the exotic list for the Christmas special 😉
Thanks for fulfilling my collector's dream. I'll most likely never touch any of these wrapons again...
Hope you get another opportunity mate. Thanks for watching!
Hollywood Special as seen Predator & Death Wish 4. Also a version in The Punisher
Which version of the Punisher?
@johnfeliciano585 I believe maybe the 2004 one, someone correct me if I am wrong
@@GoonieLord he was actually using M4A1 SOPMOD w/ M203 and Aimpoint CompM2 red dot optic
... I too was issued this combo when I was in the Army ( '79 - '89 ) and loved it's versatility, the last two years when I was in I was a Command Driver for a Major and requested to be issued a M 203 where the drivers were normally carrying a standard M 16 A2 rifle ...
Nice. Thanks for sharing.
One of the main bad guys in hard boiled also uses a M16A1 with M203 in the hospital shootout scene.
I have an M203 mounted to a Brownells M16A1 clone and finished with surplus GI parts. It is surprisingly heavy.
It seemed pretty light to me compared to the M60 from last week!
Got a chance to fire M203s in the marines. Definitely the funnest weapon I've ever fired. . Very accurate and you always see that impact right where you are aiming
I carried that as well back in the day . The armorer looked at me and said “where are you from private “? I said Brooklyn lol and that is what I signed for ….thoooomp !!
Nice!
you said a few weeks ago this was coming, great video :D
Promises made, Promises delivered!
I LOOOVE THIS GUN, but one thing thats annoying me is that A2 style grip but im not telling you what to do its your gun. Dope video btw.
If you are a 1-man army, the M16/M203 is the most important weapon you can have. Tony Montana got that right. Thanks for the video. I like it. Learned a couple new things about this firearm. Well done and thorough. Thanks.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
There was a paperback companion novel for Scarface and in that version Tony used a shoulder fired rocket launcher instead of a 203. I thought that ending was a little more spectacular as he was riddled with slugs and the rocket exploded, turning him into a fireball and blowing him off an outside balcony to the grounds below. He also had a great last line in the book: "Tony Montana! He died doin' it!"
@@daleupthegrove6396 I'm glad you replied. "Tony Montana! He died doin' it!" That is a great last line.
That's probably the most expensive yard trimming ever. But also probably the quickest with a five man team. Minigun go brrrrrrrrr.
That minigun is on another level!
I was a Marine on the USS Midway not long after this movie came out.
Any time I carried the M-203 on duty at least one sailor would be heard saying "hey that's the gun from Scarface " .😅
My favourite gun in OperationFlashpoint back in the day (still playin' it to this day). Perfect tool to mitigate situations in which you really come under pressure, no matter if it's some infantry, a suddenly appearing fully manned truck or blowing yourself accidently away in the heat of a gunfight...
Holy cow, this device is cool.
Itsfreaking sweet!
Great video! (I had the Schwarzenegger “Predator” poster on my bedroom wall in the 90’s). According to USA Col. David Hackworth, early M-16/M203 models tested out in Vietnam where called by the troops the “Over and Under”. Both were initially despised by his troops, who much preferred the stand alone M79 40mm grenade launcher (which also fired jungle-clearing 40mm shotgun shells). While serving in the Marines I was issued an M-16/M203 (w/classic Hollywood hand guards! (Till the armorers updated it w/rails)). I wish that little lunatic could have known that one day he’d have “Dutch’s” very same “gun” attached to him 24/7.
Thanks Chris for sharing your first hand experience!
Loved this one both incredible films, but like the majority in the comments Predator also wins it for me such an amazing film, Scarface not far behind though. Glad to see the channel growing and glad to see Bear Arms hoping this means you have an unlimited amount of guns on hand to talk about 😊
Yes!! Another Hollywood Guns video!
right on!
I was a kid in the 80s and I had a picture I cut out of a book from the library of this gun
The fact that Scarface did a hundred round mag dump from a 30-round magazine is mind-blowing 😂🤣🙌👌
Look closer, he has two 40 round mags clipped together in a way where you flip the empty one for a quick reload. Tony also puts at least one 30rd mag in his suit pocket as well. 40+40+30=110.
Merica!!!
I guess you missed a few scenes.
Keep up the great work on the channel! Love watching
Thank you! Will do!
Featured in Generation Kill....which I can highly recommend !!
Confession - I haven’t seen that movie. I must watch it soon.
@@hollywoodguns
It's an HBO miniseries about the First Marine Force Recon Battalion during Operation Iraqi Freedom
@@hollywoodguns Think Band of Brothers....Set in Iraq featuring Recon Marines
Awesome, just the one I was waiting for. Excellent job as always!
Awesome, thank you!
A couple bits of trivia about the workings of the 40mm grenades. They arm by spinning as they come out of the barrel. Some have shorter and others have longer ranges. There are some with only a 2 meter arming range though they are uncommon but those could have worked like in the movie, though Tony would have gotten a face full of fragments. The one drawback to this arming system is that if it’s interrupted you can get a dud, at least until it gets spun more. This can happen if the grenade hits a branch or something else on the way out. So the scene where Dutch shoots the Russian with a grenade and it not exploding is accurate.
The other thing is how the grenade fires. It’s not like a regular cartridge, it uses a “hi-lo” system. When fired the propellant is all contained in a small container inside the shell. Once the pressure is high enough the sides of the container ruptures and the gas then pressurizes the larger case. This lower pressure is still enough to launch the grenade like a ping pong ball gun and is why it makes that distinctive “bloop” sound. This also means it has no muzzle blast as all the propellant is burned in the first stage.
Thanks for all this extra detail. BTW, when Dutch shoots the Russian, I think it was with a shotgun style shell - i recall reading one of the options was a 20 ball load (or similar). I think I saw multiple wounds when I hit pause….?
@ That could be though it’s somewhat unlikely. The buckshot round was designed for use with the old M79 grenade launcher. This was to give the grenadier some close in defense besides just a 1911 handgun. It was rather low powered and wasn’t really needed when the grenadier has an M16 right there in his hands.
Nobody seems to have mentioned the SOUND a 40mm round makes when fired. The M79 was not nicknamed the “bloop tube” for nothin’. The high-low propulsion system resulted in a sound like “THOOMP” when fired. Quieter even than a handgun round, but Hollywood probably demands a huge roar when fired, just like binoculars have to produce a horizontal figure-8 field of view for the audience. I was getting out as the M203 was coming in, so I only fired the M79 on the range, with the green-top practice rounds. It had only a tiny charge, enough for a small flash and bang, making it safe to fire on a regular rifle range.
You made the right choice. As good as Predator was, 99% of people who see the M16/M203 combo immediately think "Say hello to my little friend".
Also, and just my opinion, it may have had more screen time in Predator but it had more impact on screen in Scarface. You see Schwarzenegger playing some black ops special forces and you just expect a weapon like that, to a point where you may not really notice it. Its just military equipment like fatigues or boots. But when Pacino grabs it and you first see it, it sets him apart from the rest of the bad guys in the movie that are using an assortment of typical bad guy guns that were probably modified in a garage before being sold in an alley. This aint now mac 11 thats been circulating the streets for a decade. This is military hardware that you gotta have some crazy ass connections to wind up with. Really compliments his character better than any other weapon could have. Its not lost in the scenery, that rifle became a factor in how that scene became iconic.
Great thoughts - Thanks for sharing.
Infantry veteran here. I also carried this one. Qualified expert with it. You lobed the grenades through windows on buildings at different distances. The site on the fore stock was decent but the army also had a detachable sight that would clip unto the carry handle. The clip on was supposed to be more accurate. it was a matter of preference. it sometimes fell off during movement, especially at night. This thing kicks like a 12 gauge shotgun. When aiming you would aim it high, it felt very odd. ALSO you couldn't mount a bayonet because the 203 barrel would block the bayonet lug!
This was made for CQB not for use in the open because hand grenades did a better job as well as mortars. You also had to slightly adjust your shooting style because your left hand is lower while holding the weapon. Which meant you would bring the weapon up too high when firing 5.556.
Thanks for this comment Martin!
I've also seen it in Missing in Action and My Science Project.
I was issued this weapon in the Army when I was a grenadier in my squad. Then I was lucky to switch to a machine gunner with the M249 SAW. You should do an episode on that. Keep up the entertainment.
Thanks mate, will keep grinding - got a lot of movie guns to get through!!
Well, okie dokie then, this channel is becoming very entertaining! Since you are going to gun shops, and maybe prop houses one day, i would think an episode on the 1911 in movies and tv would be quite informative. Great job...subbed...continued success.🇺🇸👍🇬🇧
Thanks Mate. 1911s coming soon. So many movies and TV shows to choose from for the different variants.
M203 was not only mounted on the M16A2 the U.S. army didn't adopt the A2 until recently it was mounted on the A1 since I carried one in 1988
Great to know, thanks for the comment!
@@hollywoodgunsyeah the 203 came out in the latter half of Vietnam.. they were running it on A1s ..
This was my fathers combat rifle in the military. Always wanted one or a shotgun component as a second.
So far after the miami vice vid this is my second favorite. It was the lethal weapon but that is now third. Keep bringing in these 80s/90s bangers.
Yes sir! Will do.
Just a great looking weapon!
🇺🇸Enjoy your channel more and more every time I watch your content! I’ve been drooling over this set up since I was 7 years old.🇺🇸
Right on!
I am not an American or a veteran, and I caught the grenade launcher arming distance problem. I play Arma 3 though lol.
I got to shoot the M203 in 2013 in infantry basic training before it was phased out and replaced by the HK 320.
You should review the Car-15 from Blood Diamond starring Leonardo DiCaprio! It was also in Black Hawk Down
I will look into it, thanks
Even though Tony Montana served in the Cuban military. It just shows how well the AR platform is able to be understood. Either he used it in the military himself, or he bought it to fit in with american culture and flaunt the amount of money he truly has
We only got chalk rounds in basic, it was still fun to shoot.
Heartbreak Ridge
If I'm not mistaken the m203 also had smoke grenades that would cover your position
Probably- there were a bunch of rounds I didn’t cover for brevity reasons.
@hollywoodguns that's OK I was just mentioning it and great video from a brit who loves guns
@@Gothicgamer-rz2rx Thank you mate!
Loving the show sir
Subscribed my only use of firearms is in video games and movies so I'm finding your show interesting
Thanks - Glad you're enjoying the channel!
Predator. Heartbreak ridge. Lt. Nathaniel Fick carried one in Generation Kill
Got two of them that used the same specific prop.
I carried the M-16A2/M203 on my 1st deployment to Iraq in 2003 - "My little friend" & war buddy lol
Nice!
One of the most epic movie last stands and epic weapons used in one. Imagine if Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid had a couple, we wouldn't call it a Bolivian Army Ending, we'd call it a Holy Forking Shirtballs The Bolivian Army Got Wasted ending.
Assuming Bolivian Skull didn't sneak up on them.
LOL, they should do a remake!
Great video … predator is my favourite film 🍿
It's so good!
Beretta 81 could be your next Scarface gun (you have a close relative in the BDA).
Wow, you must be a mind reader. I'm currently working on the script and it may be the next video - Toss up between that and a Lee Enfield No1 mk3 as I want to do a double header on Dunkirk and 1917.
"As soon as they set i hit a poo dump.😂"
Nice choice!
Thanks!
Can't wait for the Predator Mini Gun episode! (You ARE making one, right??)
I am hoping to. I have a lead on a Military contractor that makes them for the US military....
‘89 Punisher would make a great video
I'm just learning about this movie now. Cant believe I've not seen it....
@ well, it didn’t get a theatrical release in the States. And it was LONG before the MCU, and right before the comic/cartoon movie boom.
Like many kids who grew up in the 90s Scarface was always seen as too violent for me and my friends to watch but for whatever reason my parents thought Predator was perfectly okay😅
same - well said.
Hard Boiled!
I will do a video on it soon, promise!
@@hollywoodguns Just remember this specific gun from that movie, be cool to see some ol' TT33's thrown into the mix too!
Love this content. Would love to see guns from Metal Gear Solid 1.
Impressive weapon... and it came with 1,000 round magazines too!
LOL
Its not just Tony Montana's gun in Scarface.... but its also Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer's gun in Predator also. 💪
It sure is!
Best part of the movie
When I watched Scarface, I didn’t know that the m16 was made by colt
18:44 "Hey, kids! Sven-Ole Thorsen! (Applause)" He later used a Valmet M78/83 (in 7.62x51) in Hard Target. In Commando, Arnie used a Valmet M78/83 (in 7.62x39). That same gun was also in Predator because both movies were supplied by the same theatrical armory. In Predator, it's only seen briefly, and it's likely playing the role of an RPK.
18:51 Why was there a gun-cock sound effect there when the gun wasn't being cocked? Do foley artists enjoy insulting the audience, or do directors command them to do so?
I believe Bear Arms have a Valmet. I'll have to ask.
You definitely have to make a video of Old Painless minnie gun😊
I might get booed off here, but my favorite Predator gun was Sonny Landham's M16/Mossberg 500 combo; maybe because I saw an ad for the undermount brackets in a Soldier of Fortune I read on the way to the theater in '87 (bet that safety was a bitch to use though).
Wow, was that a real weapon? I just assumed it was a prop…
Great info on tbe weapons, love these videos, as being an Aussie, I dont get my hands on guns at all, esp these types. Im sure it also features in the movie 'Proof of Life'?..
G'day mate. Not seen that one, but I'll research it. Thanks for watching.
Fantastic patina!
Glad you like it!
Mr AlPacino had an ouchie as he held the guns shroud cover and blanks heated the gun so movies are painful kids.... But his delivery of Say hello to my little friend is the line all teen boys used to say randomly during the day ...... trust me on this one .
Sarah connors m4 came with a telescope and lazer sight
Yoo
U can only use one each at a time either the lazer sight or the grende launcher but not both
0:33 SHAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!
bahahah - Every time someone starts this comment with Shay and I finish it in the Accent!
I’m glad you do a safety check. Some dude didn’t do a safety check and he almost shot some kid through the screen
LMAO.
This a civilian SP1there is no brass deflector..the same used in Predator
Heartbreak Ridge, Predator (might be off by date) A Clear and Present Danger, The Rock, Behind Enemy Lines
Two out of five! (At least according to the gun bible IMFDB)
@@hollywoodguns I was hesitant for putting predator because I forgot the year and that they didn't use a real m203 but a 37mm flare launcher mocked up to look like an m203
@@angelamaro3480 Same for “Scarface” - both that movie and “Predator” used same mock M203.
It’s also used in The Odd Angry Shot. Australian SAS in Vietnam.
@@waynedaly1718 I've not heard of that one before. I'l have to look it up, thanks.
Another great video, will you be able to get the t-shirts in the UK when u launch them?
100%! I did put up a test store to see how everything works, but it has some technical issues so its not up at the moment. When it comes back up it will only have some basic logo merch on it. I'm working on my original gun/one liner designs as we speak and hoping these will be ready in a couple of weeks.
This was legendary love all the guns you have covered but you neeeed to do robos Auto 9
Hopefully in time. As it was a fictional piece I either need to find a prop house that has one, or set about trying to make one somehow....
Dude, you're my doppelganger
Why thank you!
19:15 I always find it funny when my Husband,Son and father-in-law call this scene “Great moments in man movies history next to “the wild bunch” final scenes”. My husband and father-in-law are both veterans and love to watch movies. I would like to ask, Will you ever do the famous firearm in the 1978 film “The wild Geese”
Glad you are enjoying the channel! I will absolutely be doing the Wild Geese soon. One of my favorite movies!
@ My husband met Michael “Mad Mike” Hoare in 2010 when he was serving in the SANDF and got to talk to him. My husband loves “The Wild Geese” and even owns a Para Fal and FN FAL.
I enjoyed The Wild Geese too and South Africa has a special place in my heart being my husband’s homeland.
@@MayumiC-chan9377 Wow, that's so awesome. If your hubby has any war stories he could share from that meeting, ask him to PM me please and I might be able to work them into the script for the Wild Geese video. I read that he was the inspiration for that movie.....? I was planning it out today and will probably make it the center piece for my Uzi video. I too own a Belgian FAL and its probably the jewel of my collection. It will be making an appearance in this video, although as it is a commercial import, it was never actually featured in a movie. Tell your husband, that I'll be doing a video on his Para FAL soon for HEAT!
This is an awesome channel!!! Can you Colt Commando from Heat? Or H&K USP from Collateral??
Both are on the docket to do soon. USP will probably be first.
Great review. Did they use live ammunition in that Predator scene.
Great video please pleases keep up the great work
Thanks Will. I’ll keep grinding!
I'd say commando, predator and black hawk down should be an m16a2 wm203gl , Love how Tony fires 100 rounds then reloads another 30 rd magazine :>.
First two correct for the prop M203. I think there is one in Black hawk down too that was a real example.
Greetings from Scotland! 🏴
Right;
Predator - the scene where Arnie/Dutch’s team attack the enemy HQ, he says “Knock knock”.
Heartbreak Ridge - When Clint/Highway and his marines are sent to Grenada and come under attack by invading forces.
Sadly that’s all I got 🤓
Two locked and loaded!
Heartbreak Ridge and Commando or an episode from the A-Team TV series (I think it was on an island and they jerry rigged a Sherman tank).
I think you have three right there.
You might be a bit "limey", my friend, but you are now 100 percent American!
Thank you Sir!
Here, here!
I have this tattoo on my are Oh Rah! U.S.M.C.!