I love how in every hatchetfield universe there’s always a few constants: Emma and Paul nearly always get together, and everyone hates fucking clivesdale
Grace is scary. Did you see the ending? She was a serial killer waiting to happen. Terrifying. Most notable is how she repeated the words that Max said to the anime guy (forgot his name). She wasn't there to hear those words. She came up with that herself. She is much more similar to Max than she could ever admit. Not dirty girl. Terrifying girl. Kinda-seems-like-she-wants-to-commit-murder girl.
ruth singing the most heart wrenching song about loneliness and anxiety then immediately getting killed in the most stupid way possible is emotional whiplash
I'd like to throw "tickle in my mommy spot" into the ring for the Grossest Line 😭 like nooo 😭😭 don't say *either* of these but especially don't say thaaat 😭💀🧍🏻
One of my favorite details here is how almost everyone Max kills tries to reason with him by saying they're not a nerdy prude and he only kills nerdy prudes so he can't kill them. Because Max himself said that he decides who's a nerd and who's not. There's never any reason with bullies, you can make up a million reasons to why you're a loser but ultimately, bullies pick on people because they want to.
Also another small detail: there's a line in Literal Monster that says "you're not him you're a looser." Meaning he in his very obvious God Complex can see litteraly anyone BUT himself as a "nerdy prude"
And the one actual person that can be considered a nerdy prude? Grace, for whom he goes out of his way to be nice to (**nice for him, anyway) and for whom he literally goes to a permanent hell. Bonus? He even says it's worth it.
Well it's to show character development, a change of mind. In the beginning they had accepted that they were the bottom of the barrel, but at the end they died standing up for themselves against the bully that had put them down to begin with
And he said “nerdy prudes must die” but the only character who’s been called that was grace chasity. And did max wanna kill grace? No. He refused to, actually.
Can't believe stephanie and peter were acting completely normal at the prom as if they hadn't just suffered terrible loss.. that game, fucking chemists
something i saw being said on tumblr is the fact that Grace isn't actually in love with Max at all and only cares about his body while he on the other hand has a huge crush on her lmao
@@crispyliza7050 does he ever say he likes her for any other reason than her being "forbidden fruit" though? Yet another religious reference I might add xD
@@crispyliza7050Calling back to the “love me like you don’t care/I won’t care about you” in Dirty Girl and the way she refers to him as a “stud to *use*” yeah that tracks
I like how Bill implores Alice to date Grace but Grace being a full on Christian would never go out with another female (tbf she'd never go out with anyone regardless of gender (except 1 👀) but it would be doubly worse if the person was in the lgbtqia+ community)
@@Aisha_Luv i couldn’t take her seriously when she was on screen at first, kept expecting her to break and to hear shayne’s laugh from behind the camera
Max using therapy-speech because he keeps being sent to anti-bullying stints and probably therapy while still deciding to be an asshole with a god complex is soooooo good. american psycho type beat
I mean, his dad seems to bully him at home for everything, and he probably doesn't have time to work/save money/move out since he's so great at football and that's probably his only shot at leaving for college MAYBE. Therapy can only do so much - if your environment affects you negatively you need to get away from it before actually improving. Had he lived to move out, he would probably improve a lot faster, specially with all the maturing that comes with living on your own, working and paying your own bills.
@@Varalynntait's insane how it feels like too long ago and not that long ago at the same time. Seems like I've been waiting for this forever but then Black Friday only came out like 2-3 years ago or something.
@@tandnmom100 She is a nerdy prude who goes to Abstinenece Camp(see the nightmare Time storyof the same nme folks) regulalry and proud of it. Seeing her even tempted by Max at the stat of the musical was honneslty jarring.
I just realized that Grace takes a bath in a bathing suit, not only because Angela obviously can’t be naked on stage, but because in Abstinence Camp Grace mentioned that she always baths in a swim suit!
@@averageshortking7949they abhor nudity to the degree they can’t even SPEAK to their daughter through the bathroom door without there being some sort of clothing on
The fact that they made Jon Matteson, a full grown man, say “waifu” and “anime” multiple times, single handedly made this the best musical out of the Hatchetfield trilogy. (/lh)
@@midnightfandoms8960 it probably was, but i believe he's taking a bit of a break due to past controversies that were briefly mentioned on his starkid wiki page. if he came back sooner i fully believe he would have played pete! (on the other hand having pete played by joey makes sense for the relation to ted but i digress)
@@pr0bablyph0enixi’m pretty sure bc of his actions (sa towards a staff member at starkid) there was something about him taking action to reconcile and build trust with the team again it was mentioned in like an instagram story if u google rob manion controversy
@@pr0bablyph0enixI don't think Robert is coming back. He allegedly was sexually harrassing one of the members and after being temporarily kicked, has gone on to talk a lot of bad things about Starkid on his instagram. And Jeff Blim is playing Professor Hidgeons now in Working Boys, which was formally played by Robert, so he's probably not coming back to Starkid.
@@pr0bablyph0enix joey was cast as peter before NPMD for nightmare time (abstinence camp) so i think it was supposed to go to joey because peter is ted’s brother.
@@GarnetHeartIllustrations Oh it does; it's her version of "Nerdy Prudes Must Die" - "Dirty Dudes Must Die" I'm rewatching the show so I'll see if there's any more parallels
" I have been waiting for what feels like five fucking years and I still haven't recieved my hot chocolate!" is one of the most genius jokes Starkid has ever made
@@crispyliza7050, Grace Chastity only exists as a character for a joke in TGWDLM, Bill wants his daughter to date somebody nicer than Deb, “like Grace Chastity”, the response to which was, “No! Grace Chastity is a nerdy prude!”, Alice then implies what we now know, that’s she’s indefensible. It’s kinda a plot hole because I think he says she goes to Clivesdale.
@@Jaydee8652I think it could be seen as a plothole, but I think the way it’s meant by Bill is “why don’t you try dating someone at your own high school in Clivesdale, [someone who’s] like Grace Chasity”. Alice definitely took it like dating Grace Chasity though. (To which Bill responds: “I said someone *like* her.”)
Richie's death hits so hard, Jon is incredible. His face when he says 'I'm not a nerdy prude' like he's just realised it, because only with Max gone does he get the chance to be free from that minimisation. Then he says 'I'm not a loser' and he looks almost happy because he doesn't think Max can kill him now those labels don't apply to him. Breaks my heart when Max says 'of course you're not' because it's TRUE! Richie isn't - but like he said: Max decides who is and isn't cool, and he's decided that Richie has to die. One of the best scenes in the whole show.
jon said in a stream recently that that's exactly it- richie thinks he's circumnavigated max killing him, because his 'way out' is that he isn't a nerdy prude, so he thinks he'll be fine- but of course it's way too late for that, max has already made his decision. richie's death hurts me the most T_T
All after he finally gained a tiny bit of confidence enough to have pals outside of the main group we've seen, even if in just a huddle during the big game. People say Ruth hit hard, and while her death after the fantastic performance of Just For Once is sad, you just see how much this meant to Richie, to be able to be included with the "cool ones" for a brief moment. It would've stuck with him his whole life. And in a way, it did...
It’s also adding to that idea that Max also decides who’s a nerd and who isn’t, and what that means. Clydesdale, the town of nerds, BEATS Hatchetfield in the big game, and yet everyone there is a Nerd Who Can’t Do Sports? Or does it simply mean that everyone who knows more than Max- which is most everyone in the play- is considered a nerd? Max almost seems to be actively fighting any sort of redeemable qualities. The moment he mentions any sort of bad home life, he uses it as an excuse to be a school-wide menace and horrible person, before deciding his post-mortem raison detre is to kill loads of people.
Funniest part in the entire musical is when he's initially scared of the ghost and then he's like "it time to stop running" and chugs his beer. It was SUCH bad luck for the nerds that it was hilarious.
the foreshadowing with max is so good!!! “i’ll only rest once i have chastity” and “i am expecting you to betray me” are the ones that caught my attention as i’m bouncing around scenes
Something I also enjoy are parallel between Max and Ruth. When Max talks to Grace, he says "Watch some porn, you'll see" and not 10 minutes later Ruth says the same thing to Pete in the Library.
@@caitr21i think they meant the positions on stage/the lighting! ruth & ritchie are both in front & bathed in red light. and ritchie saying "I'm dead" is foreshadowing! in that scene, he was in class. he meant it metaphorically. but we the audience also know he dies since the opening reveals that. ritchie as a character has not died yet. it's foreshadowing!
I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about how incredible Lauren Lopez did as Ruthie AS a character in the BBQ monologues. She’s acting as a character, who is acting in another character! It honestly feels like it’s RUTHS interpretation of a Sondheim song/character and not Lauren doing the character with a funny voice- it’s genuinely incredible
@@pistachiopanda I love ruth but I cant call her endearing given her "I JUST CUT OFF HIS NIPS" "What is she saying, WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE SAYING" The endearing part is definitely Who are you talking to? "My boyfriend 😶" "Okay my ex-boyfriend 😒" The best part (I forgor the words) "I cant believe youre actually so nice to me" "I think Im in love with you" Why are all the characters so likeable in their own way 😢❤
48:41 Pete: "Am I reading as ghost or Lin Manuel Miranda?" 2:11:02 Max comes in as a ghost, beatboxing, and catches the bullet in slow motion. This is actually genius writing.
oh my god you’re right! i made the connection between the bullet slow-mo and Hamilton but forgot about the LMM line earlier in the show, that’s amazing. good catch!
omg... I've watched this at least 10 times, and Hamilton at least the same... How didn't I get this... haha thanks for making me love this even more :D
@@Dead-or-Alive1985 Sorry homie, I just wanted to do a funny bit. I bet a ton of us are watching and rewatching over and over again. I know I am. I meant no disrespect.
@@twist_ending7545 I'm pretty sure they actually just used footage from two different performances - one where she has 4 clips and one where she has 2 - (as well as insert shots filmed separately) as her hair would often change mid scene, though by the end she has none at all so this still stands but I thought I'd just point it out.
Can we acknowledge that A. Grace's actress has INSANE range? Between Grace Chastity and Lex Foster, two totally opposite people B. The fact that out of the trilogy, this is the only one where the world doesnt end? They actually succeeded! Someone check, was Paul wearing a watch?
Well technically… the world does end. Maybe they’ll come out with a statement but Grace using the book more and using the powers of Wiggly and his other god like court members is giving them power to control and do things in the world. So from my perspective it’s another of the story of an apocalypse. Also a few other details to be talked about with it as well.
@@EK_BeastThey do mention something about taking back their kingdoms or whatever in their song. I don't know what that means, but if you throw out the theory that they view the different universes as their kingdoms, that makes sense. And that's why I don't think this one is one that ends. Because it's in reference to others. Though wordplay is weird
I mean... it didn't end in an apocalypse because none of the Lords in Black were actively trying to accomplish something this time. In TGWDLM, Pokey was trying to assimilate everyone. In Black Friday, Wiggly was trying to feed on everyone's wrath or something. Here, Jägerman just got revived by an old spell not intended for him and just did his own thing.
when richie says "I love being alive! :D" at 1:07:16 and the audience screams cuz they sorta forgot about richie inevitably dying gets me every time i love it
I know it's everyone's favorite part, but the part in Nerdy Prudes Must Die where he has Richie repeating is SO GOOD. Not just because it sounds immaculate, but because how much Max is projecting. The man died and had his corpse defiled, and no one prayed for him when he was gone, and it was the consequence of what he's done. Actually amazing writing there
I was thinking that yesterday and I'm so glad to see someone else vocalize it. Repressed religious person decides to wreck vengeance upon experiencing unwanted feelings for someone? Yeah, that checks out
If I had a nickel for every time Corey and Mariah played a father and daughter with emotional issues that unknowingly contribute to the plot of the musical, I would have two nickels. It’s not a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
The fact that I’ve seen this reference comment on nearly every hatchetfield musical is one of my favorite things. Really lets me know I’ve found my community
Also for every time that, during an ensemble song where things go to shit, Corey talks at the singing mob. Two nickels, but weird it happened twice lol
The audience going nuts at the realisation that Pete is Hot Chocolate Boy and the appearance of Wiggly was just perfect and helps link the musicals together
I know Jon plays both Richie and Wiggles because he is the respective actor for both, but i love the idea that Wiggly chose Richie'a face simply because it gives him a chance to fuck with them. "We hold court in your own form and tongue! Also, im gonna use your dead friend's face because it makes you uncomfortable."
Joey and Jon switching their lines between musicals was so subtle TGWDLM Paul: I don't want to though Ted: You're fcking useless, Paul. NPMD Pete: I don't want to though Richie: You're fcking useless, Pete!
When Pete took off his glasses, Steph gave him the thumbs up. A reference to the Abstinence Camp moment when Steph thought Pete looked cute without his glasses.
For real! I was wincing when I saw he was gonna open the show but then was incredibly surprised and happy to hear how much better he sounds in this!! Suits his vocal range better too I think
I KNOW!!! He sounded good in TGWDLM but he suffered from not being able to not warm up properly after not singing for the whole musical. I thought the sharp tone fitts pauls character as he's fighting tooth and nail to regain his body while the alien just pops OFF, but as a musical number, it could have been better. But he frickin KILLED IT In his vocal takes in this show, truly spectacular.
Well it also didn't help that his songs in TGWDLM were written at and beyond the top of his range. Compare his opening solo here to either of his songs in that show and it's significantly lower. Jeff's gotten much better at writing songs to fit and show off his cast.
It’s crazy to me that there’s people who don’t think this show has a moral/lesson. Like it’s obviously “Listen To Peter Spankoffski When He Comments On The Structural Integrity Of A Building.”
@@ladylucyofNewEngland Is that a bad thing tho? I would say it’s pretty nice they remind us to be safe in cursed dilapidated places. Don’t wanna get impaled then have ya nips cut off
god whoever designed max's post-death jacket did so well that thing is a work of beauty. honestly all the costume design here is so good but the details on max's jacket are just soo good- the way it almost looks like theres bits of plastic on it is just such a nice touch i love it so much
I’m sure it’s been said, but I’ll say it again: I love that during The Summoning, when Wiggly is explaining that one of the teens will have to give up what they “treasure above all else”, his gaze moves from Stephanie to settle on Grace by the end of his sentence. He already knows 😁 he’s just toying with Steph and Pete for shits and giggles
Oh my god! It's also because it's the best outcome for him! He's got his eyes on the prize. If Steph were to kill Pete, Wiggly would only get one body. Steph or Pete aren't likely to want to keep using the book if they had to kill the other. But the Lords in Black have been watching Gracie. They've seen how quickly she turns to extreme methods, how devoted and outspoken she can be in service to the divine. And arguably it's her giving up her chastity that dials Grace's existing vendetta against promiscuity to eleven. That's what drives her to invoking the names, repeatedly, to kill all the 'dirty dudes' at the end. With Grace's sacrifice there's a delayed bloody pay-off, but it's a much higher kill count. Wiggly wants his wrath. The Lords in Black know what they're doing, holy shit.
I love how the "if girl sexually active she must die" trope is flipped on its head! The disaster kicks off because Grace wants to protect her chastity, and then she winds up saving the day BY having sex. Just 🔥
Similarily, I also loved how they managed to subvert that trope and also subvert the trope of "intense, repressed chick just needs sex and then she'll chill", Grace ended up much more unhinged afterwards. Grace may not defy Jesus, but she sure defies tropes!
@@luna732 Agreed! To me it feels like Grace's chastity is a "canon event" in Hatchetfield like Paul and Emma's relationship, Jane dying, or Peter wearing a bowtie. When her chastity is broken, so becomes the world. It can't possibly be a good ending where Grace needed to give up her chastity.
Also the trope of "Boy gets horny and makes it everyone's problem" *coughJudgeFrollocough* And instead it's the girl who makes it everyone else's problem
@@benpebbles4111 the girl that played Steph was Regina Gorge in the mean girls musical so the line is speculated to reference her being THE mean girl prior to this
Remember back before Nightmare Time when we just had this show’s name and people imagined Grace as a sweet, possibly asexual girl who needed to learn how to love herself? Good times, good times.
I’m high and rewatching this, so I’m just gonna answer your question Honestly tho, as a former Grace Chasity, I can completely understand how easy it was for her to shift. She’s used to trusting what a book tells her, but THIS time, she can see actual evidence that the book is telling the truth. Not only that, but the gods stand in front of her, undeniable. Best of all, these gods will lend her their powers for a righteous mission she’s been preparing for her entire life. That sounds a lot better than the shit that made her so afraid and disgusted at her natural sexual thoughts that she literally kind of killed someone over it.
@@ellesmith1801 honestly yeah. From her perspective her god ignored he when she begged for help with the cops but the second she reached out to the lords in black they answered immediately, followed through on their promise and then gave her the power of the book.
I don't think enough people are talking about nor appreciating the way they pulled off SUCH a good flip during The Summoning, the way the Lords in Black went from singing mid-conversation about magic and space to singing about something as real as Stephanie finding a gun and shooting Peter in the head with such cartoonish and child-like enthusiasm was genuinely ominous and honestly mad creepy The seamless switch from "We dance around the pentagram and take all our kingdoms back!" to so blatantly "STEPHANIE HAS GOT A GUN TRA LA LA LA!" was EXTREMELY impressive!
the whole of the summoning is on another level - the fast carnival tune cutting in and out so abruptly is genuinely creepy, esp since it isn't one complete song so it didn't fit at all to the usual format and the music's so loud that it feels almost like a jumpscare. the music, the quick dancing, the outfits and the playground way they sing makes it really overwhelming and it's so perfect for these godlike beings !!
1:00 Identifying him as “Lipschitz” right before the reference to the city of Chicago has gotta be an allusion to Cell Block Tango from the musical Chicago, right?
Literally, I was just about to comment this! Ever since I heard Richie’s last name, I had this nagging feeling like I’ve heard it before, and then I realized that it was from Chicago and the song “Cell Block tango”
Max literally tells us how the show is going to end in the first scene he's in "I will not rest until I taste Grace Chastity's little peach." He was right. You know what else he was right about? Grace. "I know that behind closed doors, repressed chicks are the biggest freaks." Max foretold the ending within minutes of appearing on stage, but he is such an asshole about it that it is easy to dismiss as the words of a bully and creep. Absolutely beautiful foreshadowing.
That's exactly why he looked into the camera at 2:16:08 and why he said "WHATEVER! IT WAS FUCKING WORTH IT!!" He a had a desire and he went for it as soon as he got the opportunity, even if that meant being "sent down to Drowsy Town" for all eternity.
@@unrealviolet1833That one might not be as true since it was Grace’s thoughts and she knew that she had to do something to stop those thoughts but I might not be thinking deep enough
This isn’t the first time it’s happened either. In The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals, the first song is being sung by the aliens in past tense. Instead of saying “The Guy Who Doesn’t Like Musicals” they say “The Guy Who DIDN’T Like Musicals”. Not to mention Emma is singing and dancing.
It will never not be funny that the character who devises the plan to subdue the horrible bully is not one of the people the bully tormented as their self-appointed god, but the one who just got really pissed off that the bully made them horny.
I am obsessed with how everything that happens is low-key all Grace's fault- like the others go along with it, but until she showed up their plans for dealing with max were: -go to the principal -do nothing??
Love how Ziggy gets accused of selling drugs to kids, and they're all like, "So? Is that a crime?" Yes, Ziggy, you poor stoner. It is, in fact, a crime.
I had to mention this and idk how i noticed it but during "highschool is killing me" Grace covers her mouth during the "im so fucking dead" lines and shes the only one who does it bc she doesnt wanna swear. whether that was intentional or not, it was a wonderful in-character choice
Reminds me of the _Spring Awakening_ performance at the Tonys - the cast was told they couldn't sing the title of "Totally F-cked" on the air without it being censored, so instead they sang the word while covering their mouths with their hands to show they were being gagged. Like them, Grace "isn't swearing" while totally swearing.
The amount of in-universe side shows is HILARIOUS: we have Workin' boys, Santa Claus is going to high school, and THE BARBECUE MONOLOGUES. Plus some people really want to see Titty Mitty's story with the lobster
I THINK it was based on the V*gina Monologues@@dehendrix1 (I believe I said that before, but TH-cam must have not liked me referencing reproductive organs)
One detail that I really love is how Richie always enunciates because he's a weeb and they do that for some reason, BUT in the very opening when he's being chased/murdered by Max, when Max dies, and finally when Max actually kills him and he proclaims that he's not a nerdy prude or a loser, he drops it and talks normally + more casually. It really sells that it's an act he puts on that he drops when real shit's in his face. It's just a nice detail, thank you Jon!
Underrated moment: When Ruth says "I lose my spot when they don't stick to the script!", the subtitles read, "I lose my PLACE when they don't stick to the script!" (emphasis mine) Love the meta lol
My sister and I saw this live and it was one of the best experiences of my life- Jeff Blim was sat nearly directly behind us after act I, Curt Mega directly called us “f*cking nerds” during He’s a Literal Monster, Corey Lubowich was the one selling the merch to us and I walked past Dylan Saunders at one point and nearly died when I got back to my seat
When I saw it live it was during a storm and it was the only show that ended before the end, so we got a happy ending of everyone at prom having fun. The lights turned off suddenly during the bbq monologues, we thought it was scripted for a good minute before realizing it really really wasn't and the show took a break for a while... it was a unique experience.
Holy shit, this whole musical is amazing, but the entire "The Summoning" scene is now one of my favourite Starkid moments ever. The way the chant builds up, the crowd going apeshit over Wiggly, and absolute chaos while the Lords in Black are on stage.
Yeah, we kind of expected Emma and Paul to show up, but it’s a kind of lovely surprise (like the general in Black Friday) when familiar characters pop their heads out and say hello. That joy of just “I know that voice! I know who it is! ANTICIPATION!”
When I saw that after buying the digital version, I literally screamed a little bit! Probably the best scene in all of the hatchetfield shows in my opinion.
Remember that Max died in the house of the people who originated Hatchetfield We later learn that places built by those people are hotspots for these types of curses too! Now, think back to the deaths of Richie(who died in the high school), and Ruth(who died in the starlight theatre)! Perhaps their souls will come back as evil too eventually~!
Since I purchased the digital ticket (twice!) in February it's been my absolute favourite StarKid scene of all time. Incredible! I have watched it on repeat so many times!
ive watched this over 5 times and noticed that one of the headlines on the newspaper grace’s dad was holding, is “mamma mia disappoints at starlight theater” :(( things never work out for poor bill
"I've never known darker times, and I covered the protests live at the Hatchetfield kennels... I am Dan Reynolds" lyrics go so fucking hard for no reason and I'm obsessed
Im so glad this was shot live because NO scene in ANY starkid production has EVER made me lose my shit more than the total blackout of "did it work?" And then jon's "hello fwendy-wends" and the SCREAMS of the audience. Honestly its the only thing i miss from The Summoning on the soundtrack. I think it fits so perfectly with the show. The screams almost add to the song and the ravenous obsession with wiggly as well as adding to the chaos of the song and echoing screams of horror (etc) at how the lib are recieved.... anyway i replay those 2 seconds over and over i love that scene the summoning is fantastic in general
I watched the series out of order so when I first saw this I was like “okay so this means something to the universe” and then watching Black Friday and reading this made it click for me. I knew there was a reason I liked the beginning of The Summoning besides just the ominous beginning.
@@space-age-bachelorman literally there are some crowd reactions that are as important to my listening experience as the actual scripted lines lol. Like the first time he insists on calling Grace a "dirty girl" you can hear a woman in the audience loudly go "wo-ooah!" and I love it lmao
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but during the summoning Poki asked, “What do you want Steph?” which is similar to how he asked “What do you want Paul?” in TGWDLM. Since Poki was the driving force behind that musical it makes sense for him to ask similar questions about character motivations. I found that attention to detail really cool. Great job Starkid team!
I think its very fitting that in the finale when she reveals shes working for the Lords in Black Grace is mainly in green lighting. Considering her tendencies towards violence throughout the show and her quick acceptance of just hiding Max's body she's definitely wrathful. Making her the perfect follower for Wiggly who "wants his wrath"
She mentions "devouring" their souls multiple times, that paired with the red lighting during the show makes me conect this musical to Nibbly more. 3 lords down, 2 to go
@@PurpleBiscuitagreed. While Wiggly still has quite a bit of focus, the lords as a whole don't do much in this show, though we can link it more to Nibbly like you suggest.
Pete recognizing that Steph is smarter than she thinks she is is even more meaningful considering how her intellect is constantly put down by her father doing things like calling her "little dumb dumb" and saying he wants to have an intelligent conversation so she needs to shut up
"Hatchet Town" doesn't get enough credit for it's arrangement and everyone's harmony signing together. That and the perfectly timed jokes. It's been rent free in my head for days
I love how that despite all of the amazing world building that has been done for Hatchetfield, we still have no idea why everyone hates Clivesdale. And I hope it stays that way, because not knowing why is way funnier that getting genuine answers.
I need to rewatch nightmare time because I have some vague memory of something about experiments or something in Clivesdale - hence that the school’s mascot is the Clivesdale Chemists - and I wondered if there was some dark way Clivesdale has fucked over Hatchetfield or if it is more like a meaningless groupthink hatred. I don’t remember the scene clearly enough to analyze it
I certainly hope that it as with any town rivalries, in that it's not really based on anything, but you can get a multitude of excuses depending on who you ask.
@@stuckincollegei love that, the students in Hatchett town don't like being called nerdy prudes but they hate the other school cus the students are all nice, nerdy, classy well-behaved people 😂
A detail I absolutely love is how at 2:13:03 Grace turns her head away from Max and makes a disgusted and pained face for a second when she calls herself a "Dirty girl" which she immediately schools back into an intense look when she looks at Max, which tips off the fact that she is playing him to get rid of him.
and her immediate descent into unhinged right after. shes given up everything for this play so of course she goes off the deep end, she has nothing left. The way shes so smug about it, the swearing (bonus Pete and Steph's split second surprise behind her about it)... Max was right about her actually just not in the way he thought.
"Who will pray for me when I'm gone Or is this the eternal dark without a dawn" Holy shit, Jeff Blim brought his absolute A GAME with this score. Maybe the best music of any Starkid show so far.
I love how in the final scene, the back of Graces dress looks like angel wings - a nice nod to how she sees herself, and a really good execution from the costume department
I haven't made enough mention or seen enough of Corey and his use of tone. The change between Jason's younger singing voice and the rich baritone of Mayor Lauter is beautiful.
The first time I watched it it was on a little tiny screen and I almost missed that they were the same actor because of how good his mannerism and tone changes are
I went from thinking the lords in black were silly, to being legit freaked out. The intensely predatory expressions paired with the dialogue paired with the goofy appearances just… really worked. And the longer they were on screen the more I appreciated them as SCARY villains.
One thing i like about them is that throughout the musical most people have been wearing neutral or muted colours (Steph's Grungey aesthetic, Grace's Pastel colours etc.) and then out come the Lords in Black in Neon colours and shiny outfits, it really ramps up the uncanny valley sorta vibe. Also the fact that they dance in a pentagram shape (Wiggly's dance with the arms goes Wiggly->Pokey->Blinky->Nibbly->Tinky->Wiggly and the rest follow the same pattern but starting from different points)
I love the lyric "you summon us once, you summon us twice, you gamble it on the roll of the dice" as the idea that sometimes they can be benevolent and helpful, but sometimes they can be absolutely bat-shit scary
@@Halbed_Lemons And the contrast between the slow, scared, quiet intro to that intense crazy song, back to a sad song about having to sacrifice yourself helps make them pop out and be more distinct and crazy. It establishes them as being otherworldly because of how different the song and characters are from the surrounding characters
The fact that the plot can literally be described as:
WE PRANKED A JOCK (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL?!?)
is actually pretty funny
Damn, that made me snort 😂
This is so accurate tho-
Gone spooky
WE PRANKED OUR BULLY AT 3 AM 😨😥 (😭GONE WRONG!) (🤨🫃🏻GONE SEXUAL?😝🤭) (🧟♂️CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD💀☠️👻)
Dhar Mann would flip his shit
I love how in every hatchetfield universe there’s always a few constants: Emma and Paul nearly always get together, and everyone hates fucking clivesdale
And there’s always a man in a hurry
@@Halbed_Lemons and the creepy homeless guy who would snack on a dead mans face
And that one guy who’s in a hurry
@@pumpkinpatch2203 While high on bath-salt zombie drugs
And Corey's main roles always die
I like that Grace has the weakest reason for hating max, yet she is the only one okay with killing him
Grace is scary. Did you see the ending? She was a serial killer waiting to happen. Terrifying.
Most notable is how she repeated the words that Max said to the anime guy (forgot his name). She wasn't there to hear those words. She came up with that herself. She is much more similar to Max than she could ever admit.
Not dirty girl. Terrifying girl. Kinda-seems-like-she-wants-to-commit-murder girl.
I’m wondering why Max didn’t play in the Big Game. Like, dude…you’re a ghost sure but you can still touch things. So like…dude…
@@swordsmanthegamernine7973 He's busying haunting nerds that's why 🫶
@@kspoo10_Pretty realistic honestly, there’s so many cases of scary overly religious Christian people like her turning into murderers 💀
It because she kinda psycho
ruth singing the most heart wrenching song about loneliness and anxiety then immediately getting killed in the most stupid way possible is emotional whiplash
Fr 😭
Also at 2:11:03 (although I won't spoil it, watch it yourself)
Why did that look so cruel and evil, I'm thinking it's just a wedgie
@@PalomasMusic666 it was a wedgie, just so intense it literally split her in half-
Her "I used to dance," part was literally too real to life and I started to tear up - and then she got split in two so yaknow.... that's life I guess.
"Daddy needs a little of that dirty soup" is the GROSSEST line i've ever heard and I can't get it out of my head 😭😭😭
I'd like to throw "tickle in my mommy spot" into the ring for the Grossest Line 😭 like nooo 😭😭 don't say *either* of these but especially don't say thaaat 😭💀🧍🏻
But the way Max sings it is the reason it's stuck in your head lol
My immediate reaction was to pause it and say "absolutely not"
The entire "Dirty girl" thing made me feel grossed out, but honestly, it really works in such a weirdly uncomfortable way
Great song though
One of my favorite details here is how almost everyone Max kills tries to reason with him by saying they're not a nerdy prude and he only kills nerdy prudes so he can't kill them. Because Max himself said that he decides who's a nerd and who's not. There's never any reason with bullies, you can make up a million reasons to why you're a loser but ultimately, bullies pick on people because they want to.
That’s brilliant. I didn’t understand why Ruth was murdered since she’s anything but a prude, but that makes so much more sense. Thank you
Also another small detail: there's a line in Literal Monster that says "you're not him you're a looser." Meaning he in his very obvious God Complex can see litteraly anyone BUT himself as a "nerdy prude"
And the one actual person that can be considered a nerdy prude? Grace, for whom he goes out of his way to be nice to (**nice for him, anyway) and for whom he literally goes to a permanent hell.
Bonus? He even says it's worth it.
Well it's to show character development, a change of mind. In the beginning they had accepted that they were the bottom of the barrel, but at the end they died standing up for themselves against the bully that had put them down to begin with
And he said “nerdy prudes must die” but the only character who’s been called that was grace chasity. And did max wanna kill grace? No. He refused to, actually.
Can't believe stephanie and peter were acting completely normal at the prom as if they hadn't just suffered terrible loss.. that game, fucking chemists
They wanted to ignore the trauma of losing the big game
They'll get them next year.
YOU GOT ME 😂👏👏😭
We’ll get em next year! Go nighthawks!
@@tivthetat7067 caw kcaw 😔✊
I ADORE the fact this musical had a nerdy protagonist paired with a cool rebel and they didn’t have to “glow up”
Steph likes 'em nerdy
Oh, yeah. I did notice that. But by the end, Pete seemed less nervous around Stephanie.
Losing the bowtie and suspenders kind of did give me lowkey glow up vibes tho
@@benten2462 not really
@@twist_ending7545well, his appearance did literally change, as suggested by Steph. Not much, mind you, I love this musical, but still
It makes a lot of sense that Grace would fall for someone with the largest God Complex I've ever seen.
About as close as she can get to God on earth I suppose
something i saw being said on tumblr is the fact that Grace isn't actually in love with Max at all and only cares about his body while he on the other hand has a huge crush on her lmao
@@crispyliza7050 does he ever say he likes her for any other reason than her being "forbidden fruit" though? Yet another religious reference I might add xD
@@krekln98I guess they think that because at the end he's the one who asked for cuddles
@@crispyliza7050Calling back to the “love me like you don’t care/I won’t care about you” in Dirty Girl and the way she refers to him as a “stud to *use*” yeah that tracks
"AND SUDDENLY I'M DEFENDING GRACE CHASTITY OF ALL PEOPLE!!"
AND I DONT EVEN LIKE GRACE CHASTITY!!!
(edit OK FUCK after watching i gotta admit as an ex(ish)church-goer she’s fucking FUNNY if nothing else)
“You just want to hang out with grace chastity!”
AND I SAY “WELL AT LEAST SHES NICE TO ME AT *C H U R C H.”*
I like how Bill implores Alice to date Grace but Grace being a full on Christian would never go out with another female (tbf she'd never go out with anyone regardless of gender (except 1 👀) but it would be doubly worse if the person was in the lgbtqia+ community)
@@constrictedconstitution6451to be fair he said date someone LIKE grace chastity
@@constrictedconstitution6451 oh i always took it that they are saying the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive
Casting Angela as Grace was a fucking PHENOMENAL choice she murdered this
watch Abstinence camp if you want more Grace!
Also has a minor role in Perky’s Buds
im used to seeing her in smosh i frogot she was here first and i got jumpscared.
@@Aisha_Luv i couldn’t take her seriously when she was on screen at first, kept expecting her to break and to hear shayne’s laugh from behind the camera
she murdered max too
It took Max 2 weeks to come back because he was spending all that time bedazzling his jacket.
His return had to be fabulous
he has to be as glamorous as possible
"You can see I'm much improved"
I can't stop laughing 😂 that's so funny
and coming up with good puns!!
Max using therapy-speech because he keeps being sent to anti-bullying stints and probably therapy while still deciding to be an asshole with a god complex is soooooo good. american psycho type beat
Oh my god thank you for articulating it, I had noticed but couldnt put it into words
He’s so unapologetically terrible all the way to the end I love it
I mean, his dad seems to bully him at home for everything, and he probably doesn't have time to work/save money/move out since he's so great at football and that's probably his only shot at leaving for college MAYBE. Therapy can only do so much - if your environment affects you negatively you need to get away from it before actually improving. Had he lived to move out, he would probably improve a lot faster, specially with all the maturing that comes with living on your own, working and paying your own bills.
Still love how he has such a high EQ but he’s in remedial algebra in senior year
@@redscrunchie222algebra is fucking hard
Max’s letterman jacket being bedazzled after he comes back adds so much to his character
this is the skin of a killer bella
@@fishfoothis was so out of nowhere and made me laugh way harder than it should have, thank you
@@fishfooI said the same thing when I saw him!!! 😂
@@fishfoonot the comment we needed… but the comment we deserved 😂
I just saw it and wow it's so *razzle dazzle!*
"I have been waiting what feels like 5 FUCKING years and I still have not received my damn hot chocolate" absolutely killed me
It’s even funnier knowing that The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals came out five years before this
@@Varalynntait's insane how it feels like too long ago and not that long ago at the same time. Seems like I've been waiting for this forever but then Black Friday only came out like 2-3 years ago or something.
@@Varalynnta that’s why they did it
@@Varalynntathat’s the joke
I kinda wished as soon as he got his Hot Chocolate he goes: “Finally…I have very low blood sugar…”
That one audience member’s “NOOO” when Richie says “I love being alive” 😭😭😭😭😭
As soon as he said "I love those guys" I went "Death flag" and was unsurprised.
Its literally the chekovs gun of loveable side characters lmao
i think that might have been me…
@@greyandok SLAYYYY
I thought I heard that😂
Max literally boos her performance when he enters to kill Ruth. He is a ghost. And he says boo.
idk why i adore this little detail as much as i do but its so very uwu
OH MY GOSH I JUST REALIZED 😭😭😭😭
Ghost max is straight up a comic book villain. Unashamedly evil and unashamedly campy.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229He has the perfect mix of both, but able to cuss. I’d consider that stoner humor, actually.
Around the same time when he mocks her, the captions read "(mimics creaming)" which is hysterical to me
“SHES BISEXUAL AND DEAD WHERE ELSE WOULD SHE BE” actually killed me 💀
Guess that puts Alice off her list. Or maybe she’s deeply closeted.
@@Jaydee8652Seems like Grace has a low opinion of sexuality in general, actually
@tandnmom100 well she Is christian So Yeah
@@tandnmom100 She is a nerdy prude who goes to Abstinenece Camp(see the nightmare Time storyof the same nme folks) regulalry and proud of it. Seeing her even tempted by Max at the stat of the musical was honneslty jarring.
@@s.m.2523 literaly!! I was actually flabbergasted when she was attracted to it because of abstinence camp.
I'm glad to see them return to their roots - musicals about horny nerds in highschool.
I half-expected Pete’s dick to gain sentience and start singing
with Joey Richter as a main character
@@thebugthatruinsyourpicnic imagine if they exist in the same universe, though.
@@AlinaAniretakeThe Trail To Oregon as a show exists in the Hatchetfield universe. It was performed at the Starlight once.
Be More Chill and Heathers.
bro nothing is funnier than imagining Angela and will back stage just standing there aggressively moaning at eachother 😭
And with motifs from "Dirty Girl" playing over it, no less lmao.
Ikr like that was something I'm only slightly traumatized
I just realized that Grace takes a bath in a bathing suit, not only because Angela obviously can’t be naked on stage, but because in Abstinence Camp Grace mentioned that she always baths in a swim suit!
Continuity is a great thing!
As a family rule lol
@@averageshortking7949they abhor nudity to the degree they can’t even SPEAK to their daughter through the bathroom door without there being some sort of clothing on
IT WAS A BIRTHDAY SUIT TOO AND NO ONE IS MENTIONING IT
They are never-nudes!
The fact that they made Jon Matteson, a full grown man, say “waifu” and “anime” multiple times, single handedly made this the best musical out of the Hatchetfield trilogy. (/lh)
And the "NANIIIIIII??"
@@sapphire26And "Body pillow."
“I know I’ll never hold the real Rei, or Asuka in my arms”
the fact that this man played a disgruntled 9-5 working class Paul is bewildering, man's got range
Honestly it's sad how many full grown men actually DO say those things.
The fact that Pete is canonically the hot chocolate guy is my favorite thing ever
It’s honestly my favourite scene! I wonder if the role of Pete was meant to go to Rob because of this
@@midnightfandoms8960 it probably was, but i believe he's taking a bit of a break due to past controversies that were briefly mentioned on his starkid wiki page. if he came back sooner i fully believe he would have played pete! (on the other hand having pete played by joey makes sense for the relation to ted but i digress)
@@pr0bablyph0enixi’m pretty sure bc of his actions (sa towards a staff member at starkid) there was something about him taking action to reconcile and build trust with the team again it was mentioned in like an instagram story if u google rob manion controversy
@@pr0bablyph0enixI don't think Robert is coming back. He allegedly was sexually harrassing one of the members and after being temporarily kicked, has gone on to talk a lot of bad things about Starkid on his instagram. And Jeff Blim is playing Professor Hidgeons now in Working Boys, which was formally played by Robert, so he's probably not coming back to Starkid.
@@pr0bablyph0enix joey was cast as peter before NPMD for nightmare time (abstinence camp) so i think it was supposed to go to joey because peter is ted’s brother.
Max kicking his feet and giggling in the black and white hearing Grace quote him
fr that went so hard
Like “aww we both intimidate the same way, we have so much in common!!”
Wait where is that? I think I missed it @@GarnetHeartIllustrations
@@thegrimmestreaper44 no, that didn’t happen in the show, we’re just joking
@@GarnetHeartIllustrations Oh it does; it's her version of "Nerdy Prudes Must Die" - "Dirty Dudes Must Die"
I'm rewatching the show so I'll see if there's any more parallels
" I have been waiting for what feels like five fucking years and I still haven't recieved my hot chocolate!" is one of the most genius jokes Starkid has ever made
I LOVED SEEING HIM AGAIN.
If it's only funny for people who saw a musical they did a few musicals ago, then it's not a very good joke.
This currently has 420 likes, so imma leave the like button alone 😆
@@yuarentluckybut it wasn’t the same actor
@@annaxxxx99 its almost like thats the Point of the joke
You know, I don’t think Grace Chastity is really the kind of girl Bill would want Alice to date.
true but she is nice to him at church so 🤷♀️
This is explains why her name sounded familiar
what is this refrencing?
@@crispyliza7050, Grace Chastity only exists as a character for a joke in TGWDLM, Bill wants his daughter to date somebody nicer than Deb, “like Grace Chastity”, the response to which was, “No! Grace Chastity is a nerdy prude!”, Alice then implies what we now know, that’s she’s indefensible.
It’s kinda a plot hole because I think he says she goes to Clivesdale.
@@Jaydee8652I think it could be seen as a plothole, but I think the way it’s meant by Bill is “why don’t you try dating someone at your own high school in Clivesdale, [someone who’s] like Grace Chasity”. Alice definitely took it like dating Grace Chasity though. (To which Bill responds: “I said someone *like* her.”)
Richie's death hits so hard, Jon is incredible. His face when he says 'I'm not a nerdy prude' like he's just realised it, because only with Max gone does he get the chance to be free from that minimisation. Then he says 'I'm not a loser' and he looks almost happy because he doesn't think Max can kill him now those labels don't apply to him. Breaks my heart when Max says 'of course you're not' because it's TRUE! Richie isn't - but like he said: Max decides who is and isn't cool, and he's decided that Richie has to die. One of the best scenes in the whole show.
jon said in a stream recently that that's exactly it- richie thinks he's circumnavigated max killing him, because his 'way out' is that he isn't a nerdy prude, so he thinks he'll be fine- but of course it's way too late for that, max has already made his decision. richie's death hurts me the most T_T
All after he finally gained a tiny bit of confidence enough to have pals outside of the main group we've seen, even if in just a huddle during the big game. People say Ruth hit hard, and while her death after the fantastic performance of Just For Once is sad, you just see how much this meant to Richie, to be able to be included with the "cool ones" for a brief moment. It would've stuck with him his whole life. And in a way, it did...
It’s also adding to that idea that Max also decides who’s a nerd and who isn’t, and what that means. Clydesdale, the town of nerds, BEATS Hatchetfield in the big game, and yet everyone there is a Nerd Who Can’t Do Sports? Or does it simply mean that everyone who knows more than Max- which is most everyone in the play- is considered a nerd?
Max almost seems to be actively fighting any sort of redeemable qualities. The moment he mentions any sort of bad home life, he uses it as an excuse to be a school-wide menace and horrible person, before deciding his post-mortem raison detre is to kill loads of people.
The fact that Richie's death lasted from 10 minutes to two hours he had such a gruesome death like omg
dude the way max jagerman says "skeleton" is everything😭🤚
"OH SHIT, IT'S A SKELE'ON!!OH FUCK I'M SO FUCKING SCARED" 😭🤚
He's a weirdo 💀
If he didn't play football he'd be considered a "nerd" too
The way it sounds like he either shortened it to "skeleh" or he combined "skeleton" and "in" to "i didn't think thered be a skele-in here" 😂😂🤌🏻
I used to call it a Skele-in as a kid 😭 my logic was that the skele was in you. So it’s a skele in.
@@ArchivistByDay solid logic for a kid lol
Funniest part in the entire musical is when he's initially scared of the ghost and then he's like "it time to stop running" and chugs his beer. It was SUCH bad luck for the nerds that it was hilarious.
the foreshadowing with max is so good!!! “i’ll only rest once i have chastity” and “i am expecting you to betray me” are the ones that caught my attention as i’m bouncing around scenes
they also foreshadow the first two dead at the very start with richie & ruth
don't forget "literal monster" cuz. he becomes a literal monster
@@sirpumpkinspice9483i mean it’s not foreshadowing as richie literally says “im dead” so😭
Something I also enjoy are parallel between Max and Ruth. When Max talks to Grace, he says "Watch some porn, you'll see" and not 10 minutes later Ruth says the same thing to Pete in the Library.
@@caitr21i think they meant the positions on stage/the lighting! ruth & ritchie are both in front & bathed in red light. and ritchie saying "I'm dead" is foreshadowing! in that scene, he was in class. he meant it metaphorically. but we the audience also know he dies since the opening reveals that. ritchie as a character has not died yet. it's foreshadowing!
I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about how incredible Lauren Lopez did as Ruthie AS a character in the BBQ monologues. She’s acting as a character, who is acting in another character! It honestly feels like it’s RUTHS interpretation of a Sondheim song/character and not Lauren doing the character with a funny voice- it’s genuinely incredible
"I'm the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude"
Lauren was incredible as Linda in Black Friday but she is so endearing as Ruth. The BBQ monologues was such a turn but I fucking loved it.
@@pistachiopanda I love ruth but I cant call her endearing given her
"I JUST CUT OFF HIS NIPS"
"What is she saying, WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE SAYING"
The endearing part is definitely
Who are you talking to? "My boyfriend 😶" "Okay my ex-boyfriend 😒"
The best part (I forgor the words)
"I cant believe youre actually so nice to me" "I think Im in love with you"
Why are all the characters so likeable in their own way 😢❤
To me it seemed like Falsettos, what sondheim show did it remind you of? :]
Completely agree. Best song and scene of the musical!
when he sings "who will pray for me" its so raw and powerful
Its a reflection to himself he had noone to pray for him when he died so its like a angry cry
Will's entire performance is to be described by such words. Magnificent.
"or is this the eternal dark without a dawn?" sent chills down my spine
I'm here purely cause of a clip of that song
@@MisterCynic18 same! Watched Mouthwashing animation with that song and now here I am
The "I took off my WWJD bracelet when we were dismembering the body" is a grossly underrated line
48:41 Pete: "Am I reading as ghost or Lin Manuel Miranda?"
2:11:02 Max comes in as a ghost, beatboxing, and catches the bullet in slow motion.
This is actually genius writing.
oh my god you’re right! i made the connection between the bullet slow-mo and Hamilton but forgot about the LMM line earlier in the show, that’s amazing. good catch!
"You kinda look like that homeless guy downtown."
Oh, you mean his time-tossed brother?
Wow. Great catch.
My headcanon is that Max loved musicals lol
omg... I've watched this at least 10 times, and Hamilton at least the same...
How didn't I get this...
haha thanks for making me love this even more :D
26:38 Max telling the audience to shut up while they're appluading for Peters song is beyond genius.
laughed so hard at it
is this during peter's first "I want" song or during the reprise (or something else)?
@@beatrixlivesey-stephens189226:42 :)
and booing for Ruth’s song? great, 10/10
Reminds me of Joe Walker yelling directly at the band to stop playing
Goddamit the constant itch to sing "Show my your hands, show me your jazz hands" during the cop scenes was UNBEARABLE!
i really wanted to empty out all of my pockets and then not empty out all of my pockets
@@arrowslinger-xn3lf I couldn't resist putting my hands up, putting my hands down, cause they're cops!
@@ZzzMeepand they make sense!
otho really succeded on that one ig
1:24:08 not sure if anyone caught this already but they do a little jazz hands in Hatchet Town :D
“You fucking Judas!”
“SO YOU DO KNOW THE BIBLE.”
Fucking KILLED me 😂
Tell me abt it
Killed Max too
@Cre8ivBookworm I wonder was the lords are doing to him
"GET your hands out of your pockets! PUT your hands down! HE'S GOING FOR A GUN." fucking KILLS me every time
Everytime the "We're Cops" theme played when the red/blue lights came up I smiled.
@@HHSDailysame! and when paul was talking and you heard the “inevitable” leitmotif. had me giggling and kicking my feet
"Kills me every time." Babe, it was released today.
@@madisonhallman8702 I literally bought the digital ticket more than seven months ago
@@Dead-or-Alive1985 Sorry homie, I just wanted to do a funny bit. I bet a ton of us are watching and rewatching over and over again. I know I am. I meant no disrespect.
I love how so far Emma and Paul get together or show interest in each other at some point in each musical. It’s inevitable.
INEVITABLE!
sorry.
It's inevitable!
INEVITABLE!
*INEVITABLE!*
I love this comment section
In every universe and dimension, they know they're meant to be
🎶INEVITABLE!🎶
I love how everyone’s hair stays the same but Grace’s hairdo slowly falls apart as she does lol
When I noticed that she loses hair clips as time goes on I wondered why nobody was talking about it
i also really liked the leitmotif for her plans get faster as she goes mad!
She's going insane lmao
@@twist_ending7545 Symbolising that the things holding her together are slowly slipping and she starts falling apart, or accident? Who knows
@@twist_ending7545 I'm pretty sure they actually just used footage from two different performances - one where she has 4 clips and one where she has 2 - (as well as insert shots filmed separately) as her hair would often change mid scene, though by the end she has none at all so this still stands but I thought I'd just point it out.
The “don’t you wanna cuddle” was wild 😭😂😂
FOR REAL 😭
It makes sense for his character, bro is neglected and abused at home, him being a cuddler is realistic.
Max is so babygirl
"don't you wanna cuddle a little bit??" *kicks feet in the air*
Can we acknowledge that
A. Grace's actress has INSANE range? Between Grace Chastity and Lex Foster, two totally opposite people
B. The fact that out of the trilogy, this is the only one where the world doesnt end? They actually succeeded! Someone check, was Paul wearing a watch?
I checked, Paul is still not wearing a watch.
Well technically… the world does end. Maybe they’ll come out with a statement but Grace using the book more and using the powers of Wiggly and his other god like court members is giving them power to control and do things in the world. So from my perspective it’s another of the story of an apocalypse. Also a few other details to be talked about with it as well.
Angela is indeed amazing 😭
@@EK_BeastThey do mention something about taking back their kingdoms or whatever in their song. I don't know what that means, but if you throw out the theory that they view the different universes as their kingdoms, that makes sense.
And that's why I don't think this one is one that ends. Because it's in reference to others. Though wordplay is weird
I mean... it didn't end in an apocalypse because none of the Lords in Black were actively trying to accomplish something this time. In TGWDLM, Pokey was trying to assimilate everyone. In Black Friday, Wiggly was trying to feed on everyone's wrath or something. Here, Jägerman just got revived by an old spell not intended for him and just did his own thing.
when richie says "I love being alive! :D" at 1:07:16 and the audience screams cuz they sorta forgot about richie inevitably dying gets me every time i love it
i genuinely gasped and paused the first time i watched cuz i was so sad. i got so attached to him
I genuinely forgot that he was gonna die. Bc i mean it's said in the first minutes but like how was i supposed to remember that 😭
i forgot too!! like theres so much plot you forget the musical starts with him saying "i'm dead"@@Vittaivi
I FORGOT HE DIED UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
JUST A "...Oh." AND THEN SADNESS. 💀
LITERALLY the way they were able to make everyone (including me) forget about that part like damn.
still cant get over how grace has one sexual fantasy and decides to kill a man
Real
as one does
she’s so me
Post nut clarity does that
Can't a gal have hobbies?
I know it's everyone's favorite part, but the part in Nerdy Prudes Must Die where he has Richie repeating is SO GOOD. Not just because it sounds immaculate, but because how much Max is projecting. The man died and had his corpse defiled, and no one prayed for him when he was gone, and it was the consequence of what he's done. Actually amazing writing there
The fact that we all cheered with the audience when the lords of darkness arrived is like we're part of a cult.
Linda would be so proud
we are >:)
Time stamp for the lord of darkness?
@@AnimeLover930 2:00:36
Mind as well be I would GLADLY buy a wiggly
EVERYBODY. Let's be 100% clear.
Will Branner just gave us the best bully performance since Biff Tannen in Back to the Future.
Absolutely!
agreed and funny enough he understudies biff in back to the future on broadway
@@lydialaceyEverything makes sense now.
I love how just before he died we see the bully has inner deft.
@@emmurphshine "oooh. That was REALLY special." Cracked me up.
Grace Chasity is like if Frollo was reborn as a modern day teenage girl.
🎶Like Fire, Heckfire 🎶
Best take in this comment section
I was thinking that yesterday and I'm so glad to see someone else vocalize it. Repressed religious person decides to wreck vengeance upon experiencing unwanted feelings for someone? Yeah, that checks out
That is so true
I thought that too. Except she isn’t a catholic
26:40 a bully character in a play yelling at the audience to shut up is peak comedy
😂
If I had a nickel for every time Corey and Mariah played a father and daughter with emotional issues that unknowingly contribute to the plot of the musical, I would have two nickels. It’s not a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
The fact that I’ve seen this reference comment on nearly every hatchetfield musical is one of my favorite things. Really lets me know I’ve found my community
@thegaytay4327 Honestly Jon flinging his arms down to get the costume off was my favorite part of the whole thing
the movie 🤨
Mariah was originally supposed to have Angela’s role in Black Friday, and considering Our Doors Are Open, you nearly could have had three nickels!
Also for every time that, during an ensemble song where things go to shit, Corey talks at the singing mob. Two nickels, but weird it happened twice lol
The audience going nuts at the realisation that Pete is Hot Chocolate Boy and the appearance of Wiggly was just perfect and helps link the musicals together
It was amazing, the screams at Wiggly were amazing
Agreed! The screaming as soon as we could see the Lords in Black made it feel soo much more otherworldly!
Timestamp?
Hot Chocolate Boy is 1:41:15 and Wiggly is 2:00:33
I THINK PETE IS ALSO THE CINAPLEX WORKER HAHAHAHA
I love how when he died he gained the ability to not only teleport, move through walls, and disappear at will, but he also got really good at puns
He's so silly!!
it was mentioned by Grace that he's "a nerd in disguise"
So you can say he could, *walk through walls disappear and fly and is much more unique than the other guys?*
And beatboxing! Don't forget beatboxing!
Not to mention his force choke he did on Richie
I know Jon plays both Richie and Wiggles because he is the respective actor for both, but i love the idea that Wiggly chose Richie'a face simply because it gives him a chance to fuck with them. "We hold court in your own form and tongue! Also, im gonna use your dead friend's face because it makes you uncomfortable."
also the fact that blinky (lauren plays ruth) calls grace naughty is so great oml
@toadstoolsandtaverns right?! So good!!!
THIS. THIS EXACTLY.
SO GLAD im not the only one that made that connection!!
To summarize (no spoilers) grace has one sexual fantasy. Three dead, Six traumatized
and a newfound lust for blood!
5 dead actually
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Max, Richie, Ruth, Mayor and his secretary
Who are the 6 traumatized? Grace, Steph, Peter, Detective from Chicago are the ones I can think of
I mean getting murdered is pretty traumatising. But uh that could just be me /j.
ms mulberry didn't seem to handle finding ruth very well, i assume that's another one@@maddi_b_123
The "He's talking to Stephanie Lauter!" "NANI?" had me in TEARS. That's PAINFULLY accurate.
I dont get that reference🤨
@@julialarsson2727 "nani" is japanese for "what", sometimes kids who really like anime use a few japanese words in conversations
The worst part is that I know for a fact younger me would have done the same exact thing forever ago
@@katethevampiregurl sameee I did this when I was 11-12 🤣🤣
can someone send the time stamp for this part? LOL
Joey and Jon switching their lines between musicals was so subtle
TGWDLM
Paul: I don't want to though
Ted: You're fcking useless, Paul.
NPMD
Pete: I don't want to though
Richie: You're fcking useless, Pete!
I love that kind of stuff so much, it's so fun!
49:40
dont forget
"what do you want steph/paul?"
When Pete took off his glasses, Steph gave him the thumbs up. A reference to the Abstinence Camp moment when Steph thought Pete looked cute without his glasses.
I made this exact comment 2 days before you did, don’t copy comments pls 🙏
Pete’s line “wake me up when the mean girl’s more than mean” in ‘If I Loved You’ is funny knowing that Mariah played Regina George on Broadway lol
Can we talk about John Matteson's voice these days? He mentioned he'd taken vocal lessons since TGWDLM and it totally shows!!! He sounds fantastic!
For real! I was wincing when I saw he was gonna open the show but then was incredibly surprised and happy to hear how much better he sounds in this!! Suits his vocal range better too I think
I KNOW!!! He sounded good in TGWDLM but he suffered from not being able to not warm up properly after not singing for the whole musical. I thought the sharp tone fitts pauls character as he's fighting tooth and nail to regain his body while the alien just pops OFF, but as a musical number, it could have been better. But he frickin KILLED IT In his vocal takes in this show, truly spectacular.
@@unknownentity7964LMAOOOO he really wasn’t that bad in tgwdlm 😭😭 but he really has improved so much he sounds absolutely amazing
Well it also didn't help that his songs in TGWDLM were written at and beyond the top of his range. Compare his opening solo here to either of his songs in that show and it's significantly lower. Jeff's gotten much better at writing songs to fit and show off his cast.
WHEN HESINGS IMOT A LOSER I FAWN EVERYTIME
It’s crazy to me that there’s people who don’t think this show has a moral/lesson. Like it’s obviously “Listen To Peter Spankoffski When He Comments On The Structural Integrity Of A Building.”
I thought it was "Nothing Truly Dies in the old Waylon Place"
I’d like to add “make sure Grace NEVER keeps the Magic/curse thing”
This musical is OSHA propaganda
@@ladylucyofNewEngland Is that a bad thing tho? I would say it’s pretty nice they remind us to be safe in cursed dilapidated places. Don’t wanna get impaled then have ya nips cut off
No it’s “Don’t ever follow Grace Chastity’s plans”
Lowkey obsessed with Grace putting her hair in a ponytail for four minutes at most just to whip it loose like a horny librarian.
right 💀😊
Reminds me of the SNL skit with Aidy & John Cena
Timestamp? I don’t remember that part lol
@@HannahIsABanana12202:12:30
She watched some porn😂
1:07:16 Richie : "I love being alive 😄"
The whole audience : "nooooo😢"
god whoever designed max's post-death jacket did so well that thing is a work of beauty. honestly all the costume design here is so good but the details on max's jacket are just soo good- the way it almost looks like theres bits of plastic on it is just such a nice touch i love it so much
The Lords in Black too! I love that Pokey was dressed like a Drama student
@@keicorsac and that his mask is very similar to Otho's face.
It looks really good, but it really bothers me how there's no hole through his chest. Seems like it would be so obvious to include
the bits of glitter outlining the blood, shimmering in certain shots. ugh i love it
@@Sina-dv1egI mean, they also cut him up in pieces, so I guess he's got no injuries anymore.
I’m sure it’s been said, but I’ll say it again: I love that during The Summoning, when Wiggly is explaining that one of the teens will have to give up what they “treasure above all else”, his gaze moves from Stephanie to settle on Grace by the end of his sentence. He already knows 😁 he’s just toying with Steph and Pete for shits and giggles
nice catch, i didn't notice that!
that makes sense cause he probably knows that max can just. stop them from killing each other. so that trade isnt very possible
I mean even Blinky says they've been watching Grace.
It's probably not just a reference to Blinkys eye-theme.
Omg I didn’t notice that that’s so cool
Oh my god! It's also because it's the best outcome for him! He's got his eyes on the prize. If Steph were to kill Pete, Wiggly would only get one body. Steph or Pete aren't likely to want to keep using the book if they had to kill the other. But the Lords in Black have been watching Gracie. They've seen how quickly she turns to extreme methods, how devoted and outspoken she can be in service to the divine. And arguably it's her giving up her chastity that dials Grace's existing vendetta against promiscuity to eleven. That's what drives her to invoking the names, repeatedly, to kill all the 'dirty dudes' at the end. With Grace's sacrifice there's a delayed bloody pay-off, but it's a much higher kill count. Wiggly wants his wrath. The Lords in Black know what they're doing, holy shit.
"The souls of the pervs makes me strong!" is such a fucking wild quote that I haven't seen appreciated enough
It's amazing, honestly
She's a femme fatale now 😅
Honestly, goals
I want that on EVERYTHING, shirts, mugs, posters, acrylic keychains, I'll take anything
12:40 "Now deposit this trash in the nearest receptacle" words cannot describe how much i love this line
LMAOOO
I love how the "if girl sexually active she must die" trope is flipped on its head! The disaster kicks off because Grace wants to protect her chastity, and then she winds up saving the day BY having sex. Just 🔥
and then she kills people!
Similarily, I also loved how they managed to subvert that trope and also subvert the trope of "intense, repressed chick just needs sex and then she'll chill", Grace ended up much more unhinged afterwards. Grace may not defy Jesus, but she sure defies tropes!
Plus how she inverts it in a different way with _Dirty Dudes Must Die_
@@luna732 Agreed! To me it feels like Grace's chastity is a "canon event" in Hatchetfield like Paul and Emma's relationship, Jane dying, or Peter wearing a bowtie. When her chastity is broken, so becomes the world. It can't possibly be a good ending where Grace needed to give up her chastity.
Also the trope of "Boy gets horny and makes it everyone's problem" *coughJudgeFrollocough*
And instead it's the girl who makes it everyone else's problem
Saying "wake me up when the mean girl is more than mean" to regina george is pretty iconic
I didn't even catch the casting gag there!
someone said that Jeff cant remember if it was on purpose or not kahskshsj
Wheres regine george??
@@benpebbles4111 the girl that played Steph was Regina Gorge in the mean girls musical so the line is speculated to reference her being THE mean girl prior to this
@@sabrinaattwood9362 where is the line?
I am both horrified and fascinated by how Grace Chasity's character has unfolded in the Hatchetfield universe.
Remember back before Nightmare Time when we just had this show’s name and people imagined Grace as a sweet, possibly asexual girl who needed to learn how to love herself? Good times, good times.
@@zealouschristian2428 Exactly. Even her first appearance in Perky's Buds had her singing on her bicycle and taking pride in being a good babysitter.
@@zealouschristian2428 WELL AT LEAST SHE’S NICE TO ME AT CHURCH
@@syra1541and now, I’m defending GRACE CHASITY OF ALL PEOPLE !!
OMG I JUST REALIZED IN TGWDLM THE DAD SAID HIS DAUGHTER SHOULD DATE GRACE CHASTITY OMGGGG
"don't point your fingers at me point them at your neighbors." Oh mass hysteria. Lovely
Imagine being extremely Christian, and then all of a sudden you meet 5 whole gods that you've never heard of lmao
then immediately turning to them for power in exchange for killing people. it’s wonderful
I’m high and rewatching this, so I’m just gonna answer your question
Honestly tho, as a former Grace Chasity, I can completely understand how easy it was for her to shift. She’s used to trusting what a book tells her, but THIS time, she can see actual evidence that the book is telling the truth. Not only that, but the gods stand in front of her, undeniable. Best of all, these gods will lend her their powers for a righteous mission she’s been preparing for her entire life. That sounds a lot better than the shit that made her so afraid and disgusted at her natural sexual thoughts that she literally kind of killed someone over it.
@@ellesmith1801 honestly yeah. From her perspective her god ignored he when she begged for help with the cops but the second she reached out to the lords in black they answered immediately, followed through on their promise and then gave her the power of the book.
666th like 😭
@@ellesmith1801 I'm very curious, did you see any indubitable evidence yourself?
Angela’s jump from Lex, a rebellious stoner, to Grace, an insane religious goody two shoes is my favourite thing in the world.
and grace is the crazy evil one, lex literally saves the world lol
@@scrambled_eggoYES! That’s the funniest thing
One who communicates with Webby the Queen in White and the other who communicates with the Lords in Black. Really polar opposites!
I LITERALLY DIDNT RECOGNIZE HER
I love that they're so different you can't really tell it's the same actor
I don't think enough people are talking about nor appreciating the way they pulled off SUCH a good flip during The Summoning, the way the Lords in Black went from singing mid-conversation about magic and space to singing about something as real as Stephanie finding a gun and shooting Peter in the head with such cartoonish and child-like enthusiasm was genuinely ominous and honestly mad creepy
The seamless switch from "We dance around the pentagram and take all our kingdoms back!" to so blatantly "STEPHANIE HAS GOT A GUN TRA LA LA LA!" was EXTREMELY impressive!
the whole of the summoning is on another level - the fast carnival tune cutting in and out so abruptly is genuinely creepy, esp since it isn't one complete song so it didn't fit at all to the usual format and the music's so loud that it feels almost like a jumpscare. the music, the quick dancing, the outfits and the playground way they sing makes it really overwhelming and it's so perfect for these godlike beings !!
it was an extremely good scene i wish we had more distant wide shots of it
God it really helped it feel otherworldly and eldritch too. All the abruptness and jumpiness
@@begaydocrime5719same! I wish there were more shots of each of the lords in black doing each others dance moves
I like the scene overall, but I do wish they matched the slow somber dialogue bits at least once.
1:00 Identifying him as “Lipschitz” right before the reference to the city of Chicago has gotta be an allusion to Cell Block Tango from the musical Chicago, right?
Literally, I was just about to comment this! Ever since I heard Richie’s last name, I had this nagging feeling like I’ve heard it before, and then I realized that it was from Chicago and the song “Cell Block tango”
Max literally tells us how the show is going to end in the first scene he's in "I will not rest until I taste Grace Chastity's little peach."
He was right. You know what else he was right about? Grace. "I know that behind closed doors, repressed chicks are the biggest freaks." Max foretold the ending within minutes of appearing on stage, but he is such an asshole about it that it is easy to dismiss as the words of a bully and creep. Absolutely beautiful foreshadowing.
That's exactly why he looked into the camera at 2:16:08 and why he said "WHATEVER! IT WAS FUCKING WORTH IT!!" He a had a desire and he went for it as soon as he got the opportunity, even if that meant being "sent down to Drowsy Town" for all eternity.
Also I’m pretty sure during Dirty Girl he says how he knows she will likely betray him
@@unrealviolet1833That one might not be as true since it was Grace’s thoughts and she knew that she had to do something to stop those thoughts but I might not be thinking deep enough
I noticed this on my second watch and I thought it was so cool
This isn’t the first time it’s happened either. In The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals, the first song is being sung by the aliens in past tense. Instead of saying “The Guy Who Doesn’t Like Musicals” they say “The Guy Who DIDN’T Like Musicals”. Not to mention Emma is singing and dancing.
It will never not be funny that the character who devises the plan to subdue the horrible bully is not one of the people the bully tormented as their self-appointed god, but the one who just got really pissed off that the bully made them horny.
I mean yeah but,, he harrassed Grace too he just happened to be accurate in his assumptions 💀
She was the only one who was really acting out of selfishness kinda
I am obsessed with how everything that happens is low-key all Grace's fault- like the others go along with it, but until she showed up their plans for dealing with max were:
-go to the principal
-do nothing??
@@birdbird8364 Grace is an antagonist.
@@birdbird8364no it was all jafar's fault
The way Max says "skele-on" gives me LIFE.
"OH FUCK! I DIDNT THINK THERE'D BE A SKELE'N HERE!"
@@unripelemon1142 "I'M SO FUCKING SCARED OF SKELE'NS!"
LMAOAOOAOA
It’s the way he keeps repeating it haha
skele'in
Love how Ziggy gets accused of selling drugs to kids, and they're all like, "So? Is that a crime?"
Yes, Ziggy, you poor stoner. It is, in fact, a crime.
What state is hatchetfield in anyway lol?
@@orishaharMichigan
I had to mention this and idk how i noticed it but during "highschool is killing me" Grace covers her mouth during the "im so fucking dead" lines and shes the only one who does it bc she doesnt wanna swear. whether that was intentional or not, it was a wonderful in-character choice
She also does the sign of the cross during the “I’ve been thrown to the wolves” bit. Love Angela’s acting here lol
Oh damn, I didn't even think that far. I thought she just fudged the choreo for a second lol
@@1eyed_songbird i thought that too at first lol
Reminds me of the _Spring Awakening_ performance at the Tonys - the cast was told they couldn't sing the title of "Totally F-cked" on the air without it being censored, so instead they sang the word while covering their mouths with their hands to show they were being gagged. Like them, Grace "isn't swearing" while totally swearing.
noticed this too!
The amount of in-universe side shows is HILARIOUS: we have Workin' boys, Santa Claus is going to high school, and THE BARBECUE MONOLOGUES. Plus some people really want to see Titty Mitty's story with the lobster
Honestly barbecue monologues is the one i want the most, it seems like an actual interesting show not just funny like working boys.
Yeah why do they have to keep doing this to us
I still want Santa Claus is going to high school, that song was a BOP
I want a Santa Claus is Goin to Highschool movie this needs to be a hallmark movie
I THINK it was based on the V*gina Monologues@@dehendrix1 (I believe I said that before, but TH-cam must have not liked me referencing reproductive organs)
One detail that I really love is how Richie always enunciates because he's a weeb and they do that for some reason, BUT in the very opening when he's being chased/murdered by Max, when Max dies, and finally when Max actually kills him and he proclaims that he's not a nerdy prude or a loser, he drops it and talks normally + more casually. It really sells that it's an act he puts on that he drops when real shit's in his face. It's just a nice detail, thank you Jon!
yes!!! finally found a someone else commenting about this 🙌🏻🙌🏻 its such a small but great detail
I think it’s referencing how voice actors in dubbed anime enunciate their lines
Ironically he mispronounced Asuka's name by over enunciating the "u" which is typically something Eva fans spaz about
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Underrated moment: When Ruth says "I lose my spot when they don't stick to the script!", the subtitles read, "I lose my PLACE when they don't stick to the script!" (emphasis mine)
Love the meta lol
My sister and I saw this live and it was one of the best experiences of my life- Jeff Blim was sat nearly directly behind us after act I, Curt Mega directly called us “f*cking nerds” during He’s a Literal Monster, Corey Lubowich was the one selling the merch to us and I walked past Dylan Saunders at one point and nearly died when I got back to my seat
When I saw it live it was during a storm and it was the only show that ended before the end, so we got a happy ending of everyone at prom having fun. The lights turned off suddenly during the bbq monologues, we thought it was scripted for a good minute before realizing it really really wasn't and the show took a break for a while... it was a unique experience.
Had the honor of accidentally almost tripping Dylan Saunders during intermission 🙏
@@floofsupreme9773 HELP
Was Jeff in the musical?
No, Jeff isn’t in this one!
Holy shit, this whole musical is amazing, but the entire "The Summoning" scene is now one of my favourite Starkid moments ever. The way the chant builds up, the crowd going apeshit over Wiggly, and absolute chaos while the Lords in Black are on stage.
Yeah, we kind of expected Emma and Paul to show up, but it’s a kind of lovely surprise (like the general in Black Friday) when familiar characters pop their heads out and say hello. That joy of just “I know that voice! I know who it is! ANTICIPATION!”
The entire last 30 mins had me just AMAZED- like on the edge of my seat and on a roller coaster of emotions 😭😭
When I saw that after buying the digital version, I literally screamed a little bit! Probably the best scene in all of the hatchetfield shows in my opinion.
Remember that Max died in the house of the people who originated Hatchetfield
We later learn that places built by those people are hotspots for these types of curses too!
Now, think back to the deaths of Richie(who died in the high school), and Ruth(who died in the starlight theatre)! Perhaps their souls will come back as evil too eventually~!
Since I purchased the digital ticket (twice!) in February it's been my absolute favourite StarKid scene of all time. Incredible! I have watched it on repeat so many times!
seeing pokey, blinky, tinky, nibbly, and wiggly all together singing unironically fills my heart with joy. our favorite dark overlords!
And the fact that they showed us their hierarchy using _high school stereotypes_
@@cirrusB612 yes!
@@cirrusB612 Okay so
Wiggly = Jock
Pokey= Thetre Kid
Nibbly= Popular Girl
Blinky= Alt Girl?
Whats Tinky meant to be?
@@yoshi_auditore431He looks like a preppy kid but idk lol
@@yoshi_auditore431Actually I think he's supposed to be a science nerd because he's called the tinkerer.
"is that a... crucifix?" "everyone's got their secrets, and this one's mine! i love........ JESUS! ☺️😋"
The follow up line is hilarious too
"but I also love... TO FUCK."
ive watched this over 5 times and noticed that one of the headlines on the newspaper grace’s dad was holding, is “mamma mia disappoints at starlight theater”
:(( things never work out for poor bill
Aww :((
This made my day worse.
This was my introduction to the hatchetfield trilogy, so I didn't think anything of it until the second watch 🤣🤣
"I've never known darker times, and I covered the protests live at the Hatchetfield kennels... I am Dan Reynolds" lyrics go so fucking hard for no reason and I'm obsessed
*i am dan reynolds.*
I screamed when he said he was Dan Reynolds. I don't even know why I was so happy to see a physical representation of Dan and Donna
@@redscrunchie222Thank God Google translate was able to translate this to "I am than Reynolds"
After watching Hey Melissa this line gave me pause to wonder just what happened at the kennel... 😳
@@krekln98 Oh i thought this line was a throwback for the line from Steph that she was tweeting about a problematic puppy
Im so glad this was shot live because NO scene in ANY starkid production has EVER made me lose my shit more than the total blackout of "did it work?" And then jon's "hello fwendy-wends" and the SCREAMS of the audience. Honestly its the only thing i miss from The Summoning on the soundtrack. I think it fits so perfectly with the show. The screams almost add to the song and the ravenous obsession with wiggly as well as adding to the chaos of the song and echoing screams of horror (etc) at how the lib are recieved.... anyway i replay those 2 seconds over and over i love that scene the summoning is fantastic in general
no literally, i always love listening to the audience reactions, but the screams from wiggly's one line in dark almost makes the scene. its SO good
That's one reason I really love the "just the songs" videos. Love the regular soundtrack, but there's no reaction
Yes to all of this and also: the utter shrieks that erupt over Emma and Paul's appearance
I watched the series out of order so when I first saw this I was like “okay so this means something to the universe” and then watching Black Friday and reading this made it click for me. I knew there was a reason I liked the beginning of The Summoning besides just the ominous beginning.
@@space-age-bachelorman literally there are some crowd reactions that are as important to my listening experience as the actual scripted lines lol. Like the first time he insists on calling Grace a "dirty girl" you can hear a woman in the audience loudly go "wo-ooah!" and I love it lmao
5:31 I love that Pete says "yeah, it would be fun to fill out the test twice"
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but during the summoning Poki asked, “What do you want Steph?” which is similar to how he asked “What do you want Paul?” in TGWDLM. Since Poki was the driving force behind that musical it makes sense for him to ask similar questions about character motivations. I found that attention to detail really cool. Great job Starkid team!
there were many of this similar questions as in TGWDLM, yess
We were worried for a moment we were the only ones to spot that! Good catch!
Yeah I spotted that immediately! I was wondering if anyone commented about that
The LiB also are all dressed as High School stereotypes, like Wiggly as a Jock/Prom King. Poki is clearly a theatre kid.
Yesssz
I think its very fitting that in the finale when she reveals shes working for the Lords in Black Grace is mainly in green lighting. Considering her tendencies towards violence throughout the show and her quick acceptance of just hiding Max's body she's definitely wrathful. Making her the perfect follower for Wiggly who "wants his wrath"
She mentions "devouring" their souls multiple times, that paired with the red lighting during the show makes me conect this musical to Nibbly more. 3 lords down, 2 to go
@@PurpleBiscuitagreed. While Wiggly still has quite a bit of focus, the lords as a whole don't do much in this show, though we can link it more to Nibbly like you suggest.
i love that she basically became a succubus
Pete recognizing that Steph is smarter than she thinks she is is even more meaningful considering how her intellect is constantly put down by her father doing things like calling her "little dumb dumb" and saying he wants to have an intelligent conversation so she needs to shut up
yess! i never thought of this
"Hatchet Town" doesn't get enough credit for it's arrangement and everyone's harmony signing together. That and the perfectly timed jokes.
It's been rent free in my head for days
I love how that despite all of the amazing world building that has been done for Hatchetfield, we still have no idea why everyone hates Clivesdale. And I hope it stays that way, because not knowing why is way funnier that getting genuine answers.
My personal head cannon is Clivesdale is just full of the nicest people who have NO idea that Hatchetfield hates them.
@@stuckincollege I hereby agree with this
I need to rewatch nightmare time because I have some vague memory of something about experiments or something in Clivesdale - hence that the school’s mascot is the Clivesdale Chemists - and I wondered if there was some dark way Clivesdale has fucked over Hatchetfield or if it is more like a meaningless groupthink hatred. I don’t remember the scene clearly enough to analyze it
I certainly hope that it as with any town rivalries, in that it's not really based on anything, but you can get a multitude of excuses depending on who you ask.
@@stuckincollegei love that, the students in Hatchett town don't like being called nerdy prudes but they hate the other school cus the students are all nice, nerdy, classy well-behaved people 😂
A detail I absolutely love is how at 2:13:03 Grace turns her head away from Max and makes a disgusted and pained face for a second when she calls herself a "Dirty girl" which she immediately schools back into an intense look when she looks at Max, which tips off the fact that she is playing him to get rid of him.
Yooo I never noticed that!
and her immediate descent into unhinged right after. shes given up everything for this play so of course she goes off the deep end, she has nothing left. The way shes so smug about it, the swearing (bonus Pete and Steph's split second surprise behind her about it)... Max was right about her actually just not in the way he thought.
"Who will pray for me when I'm gone
Or is this the eternal dark without a dawn"
Holy shit, Jeff Blim brought his absolute A GAME with this score. Maybe the best music of any Starkid show so far.
Completely agree, NPMD has such a solid soundtrack
yessss!!!!
This line lives in my head it makes me crazy aaahhhhhh
i keep replaying it ToT also the lighting shift when he sings that?! chefs kiss MWAH
It sent chills down my spine, plus when Grace says it? Holy shit.
I love how in the final scene, the back of Graces dress looks like angel wings - a nice nod to how she sees herself, and a really good execution from the costume department
I haven't made enough mention or seen enough of Corey and his use of tone. The change between Jason's younger singing voice and the rich baritone of Mayor Lauter is beautiful.
I love Corey’s lower register and I’m SO happy he got to show it off here. It’s one of the reasons Axe Man is one of my top songs from Nightmare Time
@@JaraelMoonsilver
"He's what the doctors call insane
*O H T H E P A I N* "
His solo verse in Hatchet Town was beautiful!!!! One of my favorite songs from Starkid
Corey doesn't get enough love IMO, he's fucking fantastic
The first time I watched it it was on a little tiny screen and I almost missed that they were the same actor because of how good his mannerism and tone changes are
I went from thinking the lords in black were silly, to being legit freaked out. The intensely predatory expressions paired with the dialogue paired with the goofy appearances just… really worked. And the longer they were on screen the more I appreciated them as SCARY villains.
I like to imagine they were the same back in the 1800s and who scary it would've been then
One thing i like about them is that throughout the musical most people have been wearing neutral or muted colours (Steph's Grungey aesthetic, Grace's Pastel colours etc.) and then out come the Lords in Black in Neon colours and shiny outfits, it really ramps up the uncanny valley sorta vibe.
Also the fact that they dance in a pentagram shape (Wiggly's dance with the arms goes Wiggly->Pokey->Blinky->Nibbly->Tinky->Wiggly and the rest follow the same pattern but starting from different points)
I love the lyric "you summon us once, you summon us twice, you gamble it on the roll of the dice" as the idea that sometimes they can be benevolent and helpful, but sometimes they can be absolutely bat-shit scary
@@Halbed_Lemons And the contrast between the slow, scared, quiet intro to that intense crazy song, back to a sad song about having to sacrifice yourself helps make them pop out and be more distinct and crazy. It establishes them as being otherworldly because of how different the song and characters are from the surrounding characters
Oye sabes si esre musical se inspiró de un libro o algo?
Jon Matteson absolutely killed it as Wiggly! It's not easy to play an otherworldly creature and appear scary and not silly, but he did it masterfully.
That scene was the best scene in the show for me, and he stole the scene, so
He played wiggly in Black Friday too and I think he played blinky in nightmare time
@@delightfullyabsurd4443James Tolbert played Blinky originally
@@astrowiz3544 oh I thought he was the carnival worker
On a rewatch I realized when Poky asked "What do you want Steph?", he did it in the tone of what do you want?, from Guy who doesn't like musicals.
I love how bully the bully became the 'Grace has a plan' motif