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Would like to see you, with your resources do an exposé on Bae “Suter” systems and its derivative generations. Probably the most effective highly advanced ecm and integrated air defense surreptitious hacking program in the world in the last nearly twenty years (and few have heard of it) Israel uses a “clone” of the system and latest iterations can hack into and control enemy air defenses from fire control to the “effectors” (couldn’t resist, don’t feel bad, first time I read “ effector” I had an idea of what it was but, not sure) all I knew was I’d better brush up transposing from what I know to new Pentagon speak. Use a ten$ word to replace a ten cent word. I don’t always agree with your opinions but, highly respect your research and data. Thank you.
That part of the radar of the plane being limited by it's own electronic warfare equipment was reminding me of something way off base. A number of years ago I heard about a photographer specializing on taking pictures requiring extreme flash hardware. In short he was taking flash images of object up to several hundred meters away. To be able to do this he owned the largest flash system ever built. Well one of the things he photographed was aircraft, and using his flash he could get very detailed pictures at long range and in less than optimal light. The US Air Force hired him to photo some new aircraft and they wanted him to work from a transport aircraft. I think it was a C-130 Hercules. So he got there and they started loading several tons of batteries and capacitor banks in addition to the actual flash units. Before starting it all he wanted to do a test on ground with the engines running as he used the flash. At first they thought it was a bit ridiculous. If the flash worked then why would they need to run the engines. But he said he was worried about the EMP generated by the flash so they tested. The flash worked and the engines died... It was something they could fix, but it was better to know about it before taking of rather than have the engines die when up in the air when he took the photos they had hired him for. I think I remember him having had this problem with cars and trucks where the electrical systems had given up when the flash was used. So there were some history, but not as dangerous as it would have been up in the air.
Otis should get his own channel. You guys are hilarious! It's a helpful and healthy break to allow us to digest a lot of the delicious technical details. Thank you.
Looks like the kind of lessons that the Grippen E was doing all this time. • modular architecture • mechanical + software beaming • targeting by triangulation Sounds good.
@@leifiseland1218 No I don't. You fanboys are always trying to push this narrative that Gripen is anything other than a lightweight thats neither cheap, nor high performance. For the price of an F-35A and the cost per flight hour of an F-16, you get one of the lowest thrust to weight ratios, terrible range, abysmal payload, and an EW suite thats absolutely nothing special amongst 4+ gen fighters. The only lesson you can learn from Gripen is how to flop on the export market.
We are really lucky to have such a great channel to watch whenever we want. Thank you M7 for sharing your knowledge and love for such a fascinating subject. This is Michael Thompson from South Alabama in the U.S.
AN= Army-Navy (ie. Joint), ALQ- Electronic Jamming System/Electronic Surveillance System, -249 the designated system in a progressive list, thus the previous AN/ALQ-99. This designation system has been in place since 1962.
Although it never really was my favorite the F-18 is highly versatile! A real Jack of all trades... The "go-to" jet if you need a flexible and highly reliable platform. But not the most dramatic looking!
When the Super Hornet is the only jet you have, you make do, not because it is the best. I am a firm believer in airframes built for a specific mission and optimized for that mission. The F-22 is not still the best Air Superiority Fighter after 20 years because it is a Jack of all trades.
Have a good number of friends who flew Prowlers and some who made the transition to Growlers. While the E/A-6B will always be one of my favorite birds, the E/A-18G has some new capabilities both known and unknown that give it an edge over the Prowler and the various threat systems and sensors out there. Sadly, in keeping with the current of removing proven platforms from the inventory, the USMC decided to end their NFO Pipeline and not transition to the E/A-18G.
@Millennium7HistoryTech I have a few friends in VAQ-209 and had friends from VMAQ-2 during Desert Storm thru Allied Force. I ended up helping VAQ-209 during an Air Show and got posted answering questions about the Squadron, the mission and the Prowler. VAQ-209 was actually on the chopping block but ended up being spared and selected for the Growlers, which due to Covid took longer to transition. Also a factor was that the Duty Station moved from NAF Washington on the other side of Andrews AFB to NAS Whidbey Island,Washington State. The benefits of moving to Whidbey Island with extra support for E/A-18s were slightly offset as many in 209 were local and had civilian jobs with various area DoD supporting companies and not everyone could make the move. Prowler vs Growler is a favorite question online and in the aviation Community. As you mentioned, there are new systems in the Growler that means the cousins of Otis can do more functions and thus negate the two Electronic Countermeasures Officers. Most don't know that often times, Prowlers flew with only three crew members, a Pilot , Ecmo1 in the front and Ecmo2 in back. The Marines for their part had some legitimate issues with flying their Prowlers after 1997 and some of the EW capabilites in the F-35 gave them a way out of EW as far as E/A-18Gs were concerned. Excellent analysis as always! Electronic Warfare and Electronic Attack (which is what the US Navy now calls it) is such a key area in Modern Warfare. It is one of the few Areas the Russians did well in Ukraine and the past EW lessons have not been wasted on the PRC either.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Funny but my friend just called me. He had a career that spanned 24 years. A-6E then S-3B then E/S-3A and then 12 years in the E/A-6B. He also sends his regards!! Hope to see you next year during the 250th Anniversary of the establishment of the US Navy and Marine Corps in Philadelphia,Pennsylvania. They are working on getting the Blue Angels to take part but the plan currently has E/A-18Gs, F-35s and other platforms and ships docked in Philadelphia!!
"E/A-6B"(sic) EA-6B "E/A-18G"(sic) EA-18G "the USMC decided to end their NFO Pipeline and not transition to the E/A-18G."(sic) The Marine Corps chose to end its use of a dedicated SEAD platform long before it retired the Prowler in March of 2019 thus procuring the Growler was never a possibility. The major reason for that decision was when the Marine Corps lost operational control of its four Prowler squadrons when the EA-6B was reclassified as a national asset following the retirement of the EF-111. The VMAQs were no longer primarily supporting the MAGTF despite what the National Security Act of 1947 mandated. NFOs continued to be trained as WSOs for the D model Hornets until September of 2021.
@@AA-xo9uw Agreed. Prior to 1997, if a Prowler flew cross country it was no issue. After that, two days away from Cherry Point needed IIRC the MAG CO approval, three days the MAW CO approval and anything over that HQ of the USMC.
Thank you for an interesting video. Fitting the NGJ pod on aerial tankers makes a huge amount of sense, especially with USAF battlefield communications systems. The quantity and quality of data that could be obtained via such proliferation could be highly significant. I shudder to imagine how badly the U.S. military procurement process could mess up such potential benefits. The corrupted-by Ford Motor Company-Sergeant Yorke procurement process springs to mind. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Sorry lil girl but your ego bs lies are showing, even US pilots say Australian's are just as good. your military is big but not always the best or special.. Even Aussies teach at Top Gun lmao..
It's more like the top student having a multiple personality disorder, with one personality hiding things from the other. Still getting top marks, but making things difficult for himself.
Very impressive! You have gathered lots of good information and made a very good analysis. It almost seems like you have or are working on the Growler program. Well researched and well done! 👍🏻 👍🏻
Isnt space on tankers kinda spoken for and putting in that capability kinda costly and then that makes tankers REALLY expensive and doing too many diverse missions?? ...just saying
The ECM numbering sequence is interesting, normally US military gear numbers simply increase numerically with each new widget. I was a Marine Corps A4E Skyhawk avionics tech, in the late 1960s. Due to heavy losses our aircraft were retrofitted with ALQ-51 then later ALQ-100 ECM gear as well as a missile warning receiver. Initially the ALQ-51 was located in the area behind the cockpit. That didn't work out well as it reduced gun ammunition and caused jamming problems. Ultimately a dorsal hump was added to provide more room for avionics gear. Seeing modern ECM typed as ALQ-99 came as a surprise Not related to your video but due to the sensitives nature of ECM gear they were fitted with self destruct charges, I assume that is still the case today. Pilots that landed hard could sometimes set them off not endearing themselves to the maintenance crews.
The ALQ-99 project was started before, but around the same time as, the ALQ-100. The 100 was designed as a self-protection jammer while the 99 was a force protection jammer. I hated the ALQ-100. I had to work on it in the late 70s and it was put together like a high school science project. Looked like the engineers finally got the breadboard to work and threw it in a box, painted it grey and said send it! Seeing as how it was rushed into service towards the end of Vietnam, that may be exactly what happened.
Isnt space on tankers kinda spoken for and putting in that capability kinda costly and then that makes tankers REALLY expensive and doing too many diverse missions?? ...just saying
I wonder how the propeller generating electricity handles supersonic air speed. A huge jump in drag could create extreme pitch and yaw forces plus revalidating the transonic performance and top speed
If the propeller is metallic then it will create a distinct Doppler shifted band which can be detected by radar. Spinning jet engine turbine blades are a source of radar reflections.
I thought the whole plan of retiring the EW F-111 was to switch to a single all-services EW platform, (initially the EA-6B Prowler, later on the F/A-18 Growler) crewed and commanded jointly by the USAF and the UISN. The point of this was to achieve a better result with less waste and duplication of effort. It seems that the Air Force still doesn't like the Navy and wants to go its own way again, and to hell with the expense. Looks as though Congress needs to knock some heads together. Again.
You have such good content, always happy to see new videos from you. If I may, some feedback: we could use less clickbaity videos. It makes it impossible to find and rewatch your videos.
I always thought the 60 ghz bandwidth would play a larger role for close in targeting. The high atmospheric attenuation at 60 gigs would eliminate jamming interference from distant sources.
I will be about 90 when the great listener tells me about the real function of the pods ! 😮 I’m guessing you named Otis for the Greek meaning of the name. Very clever!
@@joffreyjo4076 Yeah, I think you're onto something there. I don't think stealth is going out of fashion anytime soon (too lucrative), but eventually we may see a return to less expensive and more capable aircraft.
I can see two Growlers or two pairs of Growlers jammig and locating targets, then transmitting the locations to F-35's with CCVs who actually launch the missiles against them.
Interesting thought … can the airborne jamming signal protecting a group of aircraft create an unintentional weak reflected jamming signal off the silent partner aircraft which can then be detected? The strong jam transmission would be detected and then continuously analyzed for ghost reflections from the previous 50 microseconds. The analyzing circuit could work the same way the brain locates spatial direction of sound waves reaching the ears. Left ear sound signal is transmitted neurally in a line next to the right ear’s neural transmission on the cortex. The signals for left and right ear are transmitted in opposite directions and all along the two lines are additional neurons linked to both adjacent paths continuously comparing them. Where the left and right signals match up, these connecting neurons are triggered which is detecting that particular time delay between the sound waveform reaching the two ears. This time delay defines when the sound came from a particular direction and is continuously monitored. Now consider the fact that there are neurons all along the two lines comparing for matches. This allows simultaneously detecting the direction of many sound sources from many directions.
The risk will always be there since you kind of blind your own sensors with jamming equipment unless a certain frequency is exempt, but if the enemy knows it the jammer becomes useless. The launch would be harder to detect, you'd need to rely on eyes and IRST.
What can you tell us about the aerodynamic effect of so many so large (and heavy?) pods ? How does this affect the aircraft's flight envelop, range and endurance ? How does this constrain CATOBAR take off & landing, fuel load ? How does it affect their ability to keep up with the other Super Hornets in fighter or strike roles ?
It's a lot of weight, and landings are "abusive". If they come back with too much fuel, they'll have to dump fuel to land. And the carrier landings are kinda hard on the pods.
The Air Force has Growlers, if you didn't know that. Great presentation for an old EA-6B Avionics Technician. Prayers & Blessings for you. Keith Noneya
@@mattfgln I thought that it was the other way around. The Air Force pilots were trained by the Navy and then the Air Force took delivery of some to experiment with. Either way the Growler is an amazing plane who matter who flies it. If you have a link on that, I'd love to go watch it. Thanks for the reply. Keith
"The Air Force has Growlers"(sic) Incorrect. A limited number of Air Force personnel serve as pilots and EWOs in five expeditionary Navy EA-18G squadrons.
EC-130H and EA-37B are uh... well, how to put this. They don't _need_ to fit in with all of the air force's operational EW needs. And that is _definitely_ as much as can be said on that topic.
@@kathrynck Excellent point. I am from Pennsylvania so will miss the EC-130s but the new EA-37B should do well. My have family near Davis-Monthan and went out there three times last year. Cool stuff out there too.
@@00calvinlee00 Well, I just mean that when there are no E130's or E37's around, uhhh, Well, I just don't think there are any gaps in US operational EW needs. Russia is the same way. I think it would be hard for someone outside of US or Russian aerospace to fully appreciate the depth & extent of the EW arms race. Both are very uncommunicative about it, even with allies.
@@kathrynck The E/A-37B is great but there are some issues with DoD EW understanding and capabilities. We will see what happens but a lot of the Russo/Ukraine war shows EW needs to be strong in any Order of Battle.
@@00calvinlee00 DoD isn't sending "major" EW assets into Ukraine. Russia is... though they resisted doing so for quite a while. Russia is the only nation which is competitive with the US in EW. Ukraine is very informative, but also very warped as a data source. There's a lot which both sides don't want to put on display. In other words, Ukraine itself is less valuable to both parties than some of their military secrets are. So, it's hard to draw fully concrete conclusions from a lot of what happens in Ukraine. Russia put more chips on the table, and as a result they're winning. But neither side has gone "all in". I mean, the US has nearly 9000 M-1 tanks, and has sent about 60 of them to Ukraine, none of them the latest version. But the same applies to tech, not just tank numbers. Russia has put more into it, which spends out more secrets. But, they do get to reap the performance data, and use that to improve. Russia's military is drastically more capable and efficient than it was 2 years ago. Anyway, I was just saying, that yeah, there aren't enough E 130/37's to do all the EW work which needs doing. I think between both there's only 20-something aircraft. And that's not enough. But... they don't have to write all the books, just attend all the book signings.
@@00calvinlee00 Looks like my reply got clipped. And understandably so. I'll just stick with my first sentence. I don't think there's any problem with the DoD's understanding of EW capabilities. I could complain about numerous things regarding the DoD/pentagon, but that wouldn't be one of the complaints ;) Yeah there's only twenty-something "large" E-planes, and yeah that sounds very minimalistic compared to the size of the air force & naval air force. But "everything's fine" 👍
I understand that theF-22 and F-35 are hard to detect due to the ultralow radar signature. Ho do they perform against the Russian and Chinese counterparts (soon to have Turkish and Japanese, maybe some European stealth jets), as their low radar signature levels the field? Maybe ypu can do a video on this topic.
I'm not a radio or radiation expert but the stealth aircraft would need to sacrifice capabilities to get a low RCS. The fighters need targeting telemetry to engage targets since their own radar gives them away. I'm sure advanced radar with high power , such seen on the mig 31 foxhound, could detect it at medium ranges of 80km or lower
Where is the new emphasis on electronic warfare and the power needs of the latest avionics, many manufacturers seem to be trying to factor in excess power generation with the idea that additional electronic capabilities beyond what was originally thought will be added to many aircraft frames.
The pods themselves generate electricity, which offers a lot more power than the jet can produce internally from the engines. The older pods have an external propeller which is really an electrical turbine. The new ones have an internal ducted turbine. There is also battery storage in them, as well as capacitors for burst peak power.
You'd need to modify it, but not in a terribly complicated way. Extremely "doable" which may be uh... well that may represent some lag between public and nonpublic info. I can think of a couple specific airframes which would be ideally suited...
Because Congress lets the air force get away with refusing to fund its own dedicated tactical SEAD platform allowing them instead to leech off of the Navy.
Greetings from Spain. I have a question. - Can 30-50mm steerable gun pods with AHEAD ammunition placed on aircraft be an "economical" solution to combat drones and cruise missiles? Thanks.
Seems to me that these capabilities of these pods eventually end up as standard features on aircrafts. This way a jamming unit isn't required, it's already there.
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Would like to see you, with your resources do an exposé on Bae “Suter” systems and its derivative generations. Probably the most effective highly advanced ecm and integrated air defense surreptitious hacking program in the world in the last nearly twenty years (and few have heard of it) Israel uses a “clone” of the system and latest iterations can hack into and control enemy air defenses from fire control to the “effectors” (couldn’t resist, don’t feel bad, first time I read “ effector” I had an idea of what it was but, not sure) all I knew was I’d better brush up transposing from what I know to new Pentagon speak. Use a ten$ word to replace a ten cent word.
I don’t always agree with your opinions but, highly respect your research and data. Thank you.
That part of the radar of the plane being limited by it's own electronic warfare equipment was reminding me of something way off base.
A number of years ago I heard about a photographer specializing on taking pictures requiring extreme flash hardware. In short he was taking flash images of object up to several hundred meters away. To be able to do this he owned the largest flash system ever built. Well one of the things he photographed was aircraft, and using his flash he could get very detailed pictures at long range and in less than optimal light. The US Air Force hired him to photo some new aircraft and they wanted him to work from a transport aircraft. I think it was a C-130 Hercules. So he got there and they started loading several tons of batteries and capacitor banks in addition to the actual flash units. Before starting it all he wanted to do a test on ground with the engines running as he used the flash. At first they thought it was a bit ridiculous. If the flash worked then why would they need to run the engines. But he said he was worried about the EMP generated by the flash so they tested. The flash worked and the engines died...
It was something they could fix, but it was better to know about it before taking of rather than have the engines die when up in the air when he took the photos they had hired him for. I think I remember him having had this problem with cars and trucks where the electrical systems had given up when the flash was used. So there were some history, but not as dangerous as it would have been up in the air.
nothing of this quality and simplicity on youtube
keep it up!
Best channel on modern military aviation topics
I was feeling a little bit down, so thank you, your presentation, as always, cheered me up.
Consistently one of the best channels in the field! 👍🏻
@@ChicagoDB definitely 👍🏼
Otis should get his own channel. You guys are hilarious! It's a helpful and healthy break to allow us to digest a lot of the delicious technical details. Thank you.
Looks like the kind of lessons that the Grippen E was doing all this time.
• modular architecture
• mechanical + software beaming
• targeting by triangulation
Sounds good.
Yes, & it's also a good hint as too why the Germans choose Gripen E's system to be installed on their new EW Typhoons replacing their EW Tornados. 🤔🧐
You mean externally mounted jammers? We gonna give Gripen credit for that now huh?
@@EEEEEEE354 No, you need to read up on the subject, obviously. 🧐
@@leifiseland1218 No I don't. You fanboys are always trying to push this narrative that Gripen is anything other than a lightweight thats neither cheap, nor high performance. For the price of an F-35A and the cost per flight hour of an F-16, you get one of the lowest thrust to weight ratios, terrible range, abysmal payload, and an EW suite thats absolutely nothing special amongst 4+ gen fighters. The only lesson you can learn from Gripen is how to flop on the export market.
@EEEEEEE354 hear hear!.. The devaut F-35 acolyte has spoken!.. 🤪 & as usual, it's like listening to any other religions "salesman"..
We are really lucky to have such a great channel to watch whenever we want. Thank you M7 for sharing your knowledge and love for such a fascinating subject. This is Michael Thompson from South Alabama in the U.S.
My immature brain can't help but wonder how members of the navy refer to it... Whoever named it AN/ALQ deserves a bonus.
Big lulz!
😁
AN= Army-Navy (ie. Joint), ALQ- Electronic Jamming System/Electronic Surveillance System, -249 the designated system in a progressive list, thus the previous AN/ALQ-99. This designation system has been in place since 1962.
Anal-q 🎉
Just wait until the Proportional Electronic Navigation, Investigation and Surveillance pods become operational
It will be leaked next year on the War Thunder forums once EW gets implemented.
Turns out, learning about support systems IS more interesting than i initially thought it would be.
If you haven't liked the video and subbed, why not? This guy deserves it if anyone does. And seeing how he never ask - I'll do it for him.
Thank you as a subscriber and a supporter 👏👏💪👍
7:55 Well-played, sir! The best Artis quip yet. 😎
Excellent episode! That is one huge herkin pod! Must create a bunch of fuzz judging by the huge ECS cooling doors.
That was an awesome primer for aerial electronic warfare and it's associated tactics and employment generally.
Thanks heaps, I enjoyed it!
I really like this dude. He presents some VERY interesting stuff in his videos...but there's just not enough! I can binge watch all of them in a day!
Was waiting for you to cover this. Love the vids
Excellent! I’d never get this information from any other source. Also, happy to see a sponsor!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Although it never really was my favorite the F-18 is highly versatile! A real Jack of all trades...
The "go-to" jet if you need a flexible and highly reliable platform. But not the most dramatic looking!
When the Super Hornet is the only jet you have, you make do, not because it is the best.
I am a firm believer in airframes built for a specific mission and optimized for that mission. The F-22 is not still the best Air Superiority Fighter after 20 years because it is a Jack of all trades.
@@tolson57there is nothing “Super” about the Super Hornet.
Watch it now, ruZZian fanboys will get upset. Only MiG and sukhoi are reliable, flexible, versatile and good looking. ( not really not any of those)
@@elnach3240It's ugliness is super.
Have a good number of friends who flew Prowlers and some who made the transition to Growlers. While the E/A-6B will always be one of my favorite birds, the E/A-18G has some new capabilities both known and unknown that give it an edge over the Prowler and the various threat systems and sensors out there. Sadly, in keeping with the current of removing proven platforms from the inventory, the USMC decided to end their NFO Pipeline and not transition to the E/A-18G.
Any story to tell us?
@Millennium7HistoryTech I have a few friends in VAQ-209 and had friends from VMAQ-2 during Desert Storm thru Allied Force. I ended up helping VAQ-209 during an Air Show and got posted answering questions about the Squadron, the mission and the Prowler. VAQ-209 was actually on the chopping block but ended up being spared and selected for the Growlers, which due to Covid took longer to transition. Also a factor was that the Duty Station moved from NAF Washington on the other side of Andrews AFB to NAS Whidbey Island,Washington State. The benefits of moving to Whidbey Island with extra support for E/A-18s were slightly offset as many in 209 were local and had civilian jobs with various area DoD supporting companies and not everyone could make the move. Prowler vs Growler is a favorite question online and in the aviation Community. As you mentioned, there are new systems in the Growler that means the cousins of Otis can do more functions and thus negate the two Electronic Countermeasures Officers. Most don't know that often times, Prowlers flew with only three crew members, a Pilot , Ecmo1 in the front and Ecmo2 in back. The Marines for their part had some legitimate issues with flying their Prowlers after 1997 and some of the EW capabilites in the F-35 gave them a way out of EW as far as E/A-18Gs were concerned. Excellent analysis as always! Electronic Warfare and Electronic Attack (which is what the US Navy now calls it) is such a key area in Modern Warfare. It is one of the few Areas the Russians did well in Ukraine and the past EW lessons have not been wasted on the PRC either.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Funny but my friend just called me. He had a career that spanned 24 years. A-6E then S-3B then E/S-3A and then 12 years in the E/A-6B. He also sends his regards!! Hope to see you next year during the 250th Anniversary of the establishment of the US Navy and Marine Corps in Philadelphia,Pennsylvania. They are working on getting the Blue Angels to take part but the plan currently has E/A-18Gs, F-35s and other platforms and ships docked in Philadelphia!!
"E/A-6B"(sic)
EA-6B
"E/A-18G"(sic)
EA-18G
"the USMC decided to end their NFO Pipeline and not transition to the E/A-18G."(sic)
The Marine Corps chose to end its use of a dedicated SEAD platform long before it retired the Prowler in March of 2019 thus procuring the Growler was never a possibility. The major reason for that decision was when the Marine Corps lost operational control of its four Prowler squadrons when the EA-6B was reclassified as a national asset following the retirement of the EF-111. The VMAQs were no longer primarily supporting the MAGTF despite what the National Security Act of 1947 mandated. NFOs continued to be trained as WSOs for the D model Hornets until September of 2021.
@@AA-xo9uw Agreed. Prior to 1997, if a Prowler flew cross country it was no issue. After that, two days away from Cherry Point needed IIRC the MAG CO approval, three days the MAW CO approval and anything over that HQ of the USMC.
A most informative video on the Next Generation Jammer.
i do like how they made sure to rhyme the growler with the prowler ;)
Thank you for an interesting video. Fitting the NGJ pod on aerial tankers makes a huge amount of sense, especially with USAF battlefield communications systems. The quantity and quality of data that could be obtained via such proliferation could be highly significant. I shudder to imagine how badly the U.S. military procurement process could mess up such potential benefits. The corrupted-by Ford Motor Company-Sergeant Yorke procurement process springs to mind. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Thanks, good teacher.
Dude you won me back...I *LOVE IT* when you do videos on this topic!! It almost makes all the pro-commy stuff worth it 🙃🤣
He'll never admit it, I will though Murica #1
Good stuff, I enjoyed watching this video.
USAF and Navy are like rank 1 and 2 students sharing notes every once in a while 😂 really hard for rest of the class to compete
Sorry lil girl but your ego bs lies are showing, even US pilots say Australian's are just as good. your military is big but not always the best or special.. Even Aussies teach at Top Gun lmao..
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Those rank 1 and 2 students haven't been proven in REAL combat for decades...Let's hope for them that they're as good as the propaganda claims
@@nedkelly9688like who? And how long ?
It's more like the top student having a multiple personality disorder, with one personality hiding things from the other.
Still getting top marks, but making things difficult for himself.
Seems suitable for the F-15EX.
In England a growler is completely different sort of vehicle for getting inside and riding to heaven and back.
He covers things no one has a clue about.. thank you for such interesting videos.
Very impressive! You have gathered lots of good information and made a very good analysis. It almost seems like you have or are working on the Growler program. Well researched and well done! 👍🏻 👍🏻
As a former EA-6B Avionics Technician, I find it amazing how much is open source about the new jammer pod. Great video.
All the stuff that makes a real difference, isn't....
Excellent video as usual. Look forward to the book.
Thank you for your video.
Always interesting content !
WELL DONE
Thank you!
Great videos. I believe this is a very good source for everybody :)
This seems like a good mission for a dedicated UAV.
Thank you for the video. I appreciate your perspective!
I think a bigger missed subject in a (near) peer conflict will be the lowly Viking.
Hadn't thought about about putting it on a tanker until you mentioned it
Isnt space on tankers kinda spoken for and putting in that capability kinda costly and then that makes tankers REALLY expensive and doing too many diverse missions?? ...just saying
@@billhanna2148They would become very juicy targets
Another great video.
Requesting video about B21 Raider filling the NGAD role.
Great video, as always !
Reminder added
The ECM numbering sequence is interesting, normally US military gear numbers simply increase numerically with each new widget. I was a Marine Corps A4E Skyhawk avionics tech, in the late 1960s. Due to heavy losses our aircraft were retrofitted with ALQ-51 then later ALQ-100 ECM gear as well as a missile warning receiver. Initially the ALQ-51 was located in the area behind the cockpit. That didn't work out well as it reduced gun ammunition and caused jamming problems. Ultimately a dorsal hump was added to provide more room for avionics gear. Seeing modern ECM typed as ALQ-99 came as a surprise
Not related to your video but due to the sensitives nature of ECM gear they were fitted with self destruct charges, I assume that is still the case today. Pilots that landed hard could sometimes set them off not endearing themselves to the maintenance crews.
The ALQ-99 project was started before, but around the same time as, the ALQ-100. The 100 was designed as a self-protection jammer while the 99 was a force protection jammer. I hated the ALQ-100. I had to work on it in the late 70s and it was put together like a high school science project. Looked like the engineers finally got the breadboard to work and threw it in a box, painted it grey and said send it!
Seeing as how it was rushed into service towards the end of Vietnam, that may be exactly what happened.
ALQ-99 has been around since the 1960s.
good show, keep it up
On the tankers huh? Can we extend that line of thinking to create the AWA-ANKER?😵💫
Thanks for this .
Isnt space on tankers kinda spoken for and putting in that capability kinda costly and then that makes tankers REALLY expensive and doing too many diverse missions?? ...just saying
I wonder how the propeller generating electricity handles supersonic air speed. A huge jump in drag could create extreme pitch and yaw forces plus revalidating the transonic performance and top speed
That's a valid question, but the Pod is mounted on a SuperHornet, I don't think there's any risk of it being supersonic 😅
The aircraft is limited to high subsonic ...still faster than tankers 😂 😂
If the propeller is metallic then it will create a distinct Doppler shifted band which can be detected by radar. Spinning jet engine turbine blades are a source of radar reflections.
I bet the growler can look down and see stealth jets, which are vulnerable to top-down detection.
I thought the whole plan of retiring the EW F-111 was to switch to a single all-services EW platform, (initially the EA-6B Prowler, later on the F/A-18 Growler) crewed and commanded jointly by the USAF and the UISN. The point of this was to achieve a better result with less waste and duplication of effort.
It seems that the Air Force still doesn't like the Navy and wants to go its own way again, and to hell with the expense. Looks as though Congress needs to knock some heads together. Again.
Bob Marley too is jamming 🙂
Bravo!!
Thanks you guys; it WAS interesting. :)
You have such good content, always happy to see new videos from you. If I may, some feedback: we could use less clickbaity videos. It makes it impossible to find and rewatch your videos.
Habitual Line Crosser on TH-cam runs patriot batteries and has mentioned several times how the growler is terrifying.
I always thought the 60 ghz bandwidth would play a larger role for close in targeting. The high atmospheric attenuation at 60 gigs would eliminate jamming interference from distant sources.
Nice vídeo
I will be about 90 when the great listener tells me about the real function of the pods !
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I’m guessing you named Otis for the Greek meaning of the name. Very clever!
Interesting report. These systems will make EW efforts a bit better at first, and much better eventually. Thank you.
Agreed! and I think this has way more decisive impact, than reducing signature. This and the networked platforms.
@@joffreyjo4076 Yeah, I think you're onto something there. I don't think stealth is going out of fashion anytime soon (too lucrative), but eventually we may see a return to less expensive and more capable aircraft.
I can see two Growlers or two pairs of Growlers jammig and locating targets, then transmitting the locations to F-35's with CCVs who actually launch the missiles against them.
The F-35s jamming ability isn't that far behind a Growler.
16:47 lol. Yeah NKE is a euphemism that'd make even George Carlin blush
Very interesting
As to the mission type "Compass call" being tradition, the fact that SEAD is still called "Wild Weasel" would indicate you may well be correct.
Interesting thought … can the airborne jamming signal protecting a group of aircraft create an unintentional weak reflected jamming signal off the silent partner aircraft which can then be detected? The strong jam transmission would be detected and then continuously analyzed for ghost reflections from the previous 50 microseconds.
The analyzing circuit could work the same way the brain locates spatial direction of sound waves reaching the ears. Left ear sound signal is transmitted neurally in a line next to the right ear’s neural transmission on the cortex. The signals for left and right ear are transmitted in opposite directions and all along the two lines are additional neurons linked to both adjacent paths continuously comparing them. Where the left and right signals match up, these connecting neurons are triggered which is detecting that particular time delay between the sound waveform reaching the two ears. This time delay defines when the sound came from a particular direction and is continuously monitored. Now consider the fact that there are neurons all along the two lines comparing for matches. This allows simultaneously detecting the direction of many sound sources from many directions.
@@joffreyjo4076I’m describing how to detect a ghost reflection of a jam emission embedded in the same received signal.
Do you think that tanker planes should have "intermediary" drones that carry out refueling for them closer to the "front line"?
Well, jamming always works both ways.
The EM waves don't care iy ou are the good guy or the bad guy
always wondered how these systems deal with HOJ guidance. just how vulnerable are they to modern HOJ capable missiles.
The risk will always be there since you kind of blind your own sensors with jamming equipment unless a certain frequency is exempt, but if the enemy knows it the jammer becomes useless.
The launch would be harder to detect, you'd need to rely on eyes and IRST.
What can you tell us about the aerodynamic effect of so many so large (and heavy?) pods ? How does this affect the aircraft's flight envelop, range and endurance ? How does this constrain CATOBAR take off & landing, fuel load ? How does it affect their ability to keep up with the other Super Hornets in fighter or strike roles ?
It's a lot of weight, and landings are "abusive".
If they come back with too much fuel, they'll have to dump fuel to land.
And the carrier landings are kinda hard on the pods.
Otis for president 😂
It was and is interesting ❤🎉
What about the software needed to operate the system expecially when configured in clusters?
Your work stimulate the audience to be smarter.
Stealth was NOT the reason the AF ignored EW. It was the F-22 and F-35 budgets consumed every dollar 1995-today.
Kinetic effector = projectile
I assume this is supposed to include cannon and missile? Do any cannon rounds steer yet?
The Air Force has Growlers, if you didn't know that. Great presentation for an old EA-6B Avionics Technician. Prayers & Blessings for you. Keith Noneya
Air Force provides instructors. Planes belong to the Navy
@@mattfgln I thought that it was the other way around. The Air Force pilots were trained by the Navy and then the Air Force took delivery of some to experiment with. Either way the Growler is an amazing plane who matter who flies it. If you have a link on that, I'd love to go watch it. Thanks for the reply. Keith
"The Air Force has Growlers"(sic)
Incorrect. A limited number of Air Force personnel serve as pilots and EWOs in five expeditionary Navy EA-18G squadrons.
EC-130H and EA-37B are uh... well, how to put this.
They don't _need_ to fit in with all of the air force's operational EW needs.
And that is _definitely_ as much as can be said on that topic.
@@kathrynck Excellent point. I am from Pennsylvania so will miss the EC-130s but the new EA-37B should do well. My have family near Davis-Monthan and went out there three times last year. Cool stuff out there too.
@@00calvinlee00 Well, I just mean that when there are no E130's or E37's around, uhhh, Well, I just don't think there are any gaps in US operational EW needs.
Russia is the same way. I think it would be hard for someone outside of US or Russian aerospace to fully appreciate the depth & extent of the EW arms race. Both are very uncommunicative about it, even with allies.
@@kathrynck The E/A-37B is great but there are some issues with DoD EW understanding and capabilities. We will see what happens but a lot of the Russo/Ukraine war shows EW needs to be strong in any Order of Battle.
@@00calvinlee00 DoD isn't sending "major" EW assets into Ukraine. Russia is... though they resisted doing so for quite a while. Russia is the only nation which is competitive with the US in EW.
Ukraine is very informative, but also very warped as a data source. There's a lot which both sides don't want to put on display. In other words, Ukraine itself is less valuable to both parties than some of their military secrets are. So, it's hard to draw fully concrete conclusions from a lot of what happens in Ukraine.
Russia put more chips on the table, and as a result they're winning. But neither side has gone "all in". I mean, the US has nearly 9000 M-1 tanks, and has sent about 60 of them to Ukraine, none of them the latest version. But the same applies to tech, not just tank numbers. Russia has put more into it, which spends out more secrets. But, they do get to reap the performance data, and use that to improve. Russia's military is drastically more capable and efficient than it was 2 years ago.
Anyway, I was just saying, that yeah, there aren't enough E 130/37's to do all the EW work which needs doing. I think between both there's only 20-something aircraft. And that's not enough. But... they don't have to write all the books, just attend all the book signings.
@@00calvinlee00 Looks like my reply got clipped.
And understandably so.
I'll just stick with my first sentence.
I don't think there's any problem with the DoD's understanding of EW capabilities. I could complain about numerous things regarding the DoD/pentagon, but that wouldn't be one of the complaints ;)
Yeah there's only twenty-something "large" E-planes, and yeah that sounds very minimalistic compared to the size of the air force & naval air force. But "everything's fine" 👍
I would think that now is the time to build an EF-15EX
Question I’ve wanted to ask for a while, Will the Al-51 engine from the Su-57 increase it stealth capabilities?
Probably
What are the "equivalent" Russian and Chinese systems?
These are actually sleeper pods that each contain a single Japanese business man.
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Still don't get the vacuum thing...
I understand that theF-22 and F-35 are hard to detect due to the ultralow radar signature. Ho do they perform against the Russian and Chinese counterparts (soon to have Turkish and Japanese, maybe some European stealth jets), as their low radar signature levels the field? Maybe ypu can do a video on this topic.
I'm not a radio or radiation expert but the stealth aircraft would need to sacrifice capabilities to get a low RCS.
The fighters need targeting telemetry to engage targets since their own radar gives them away.
I'm sure advanced radar with high power , such seen on the mig 31 foxhound, could detect it at medium ranges of 80km or lower
Long Live Otis!!!!!
I don't like "patriotic" defense contractors filing lawsuits that delay getting warfighters needed equipment for decades.
Отличный ролик!
Как думаете что могут глушить истребители, если учитывать ограничения на выходную мощность их генераторов и батарей?
Where is the new emphasis on electronic warfare and the power needs of the latest avionics, many manufacturers seem to be trying to factor in excess power generation with the idea that additional electronic capabilities beyond what was originally thought will be added to many aircraft frames.
They can jam quite a lot... and destroy what they can't jam. That's how they roll.
The pods themselves generate electricity, which offers a lot more power than the jet can produce internally from the engines.
The older pods have an external propeller which is really an electrical turbine. The new ones have an internal ducted turbine.
There is also battery storage in them, as well as capacitors for burst peak power.
What do you think about the Chinese J 35 A that got confirmed is coming out. And will appear for Zhu Hai air show
Do we know if the pod is remotely operable could it be installed on larger frame UAV?
They are working on it with the USAF.
You'd need to modify it, but not in a terribly complicated way.
Extremely "doable" which may be uh... well that may represent some lag between public and nonpublic info.
I can think of a couple specific airframes which would be ideally suited...
How much is gofundme's take? What percentage do they charge?
What if ,when they are loaded with the three NGJs ? on one aircraft
Will there be bandwidth interference?
Different pods address different bandwidths of the spectrum.
It is a bit strange, why US Air Force dnes not use the F-15 for electronic warfare the same way as the Navy the F-18...
Because Congress lets the air force get away with refusing to fund its own dedicated tactical SEAD platform allowing them instead to leech off of the Navy.
❤❤❤ Otis I love you even if you're Made in China ❤❤❤
10/10 ad insertion! In no time you'll be going on Joe Rogan's podcast. (A complement, ultimately. 😂)
Did you blur the apg79 emitter transceiver modules?
No, the picture was blurred. There are very few images of the APG-79.
@ honestly the level of detail you deliver is incredible. Never heard anyone say on tape radio emissions might cause health issues, for example... : /
Greetings from Spain. I have a question.
- Can 30-50mm steerable gun pods with AHEAD ammunition placed on aircraft be an "economical" solution to combat drones and cruise missiles?
Thanks.
F-15 EX probably has those pods planned for intergration into it's syatems.
Incorrect
Seems to me that these capabilities of these pods eventually end up as standard features on aircrafts. This way a jamming unit isn't required, it's already there.
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