My dream off-season moves first of all would be to somehow, someway began by first acquiring Lauri Markkanen in a trade from Utah, then extending Cade, re-signing Simone Fonteccio, and then with the remaining cap space sign Nic Clayton and Malik Monk. Like I stated before this would be my dream off-season scenario for our Detroit Pistons 🙏🏾
This is Malik Monk stats 72 26.0 44.3 35.0 82.9 2.9 5.1 0.5 0.6 This is Jaden Ivey stats 77 games played 28.8 minutes 42.9 FG% 33.6 3P% 74.9 FT% 3.4 REB 3.8 AST 0.5 BLK 0.7 STL 2.6 PF 2.5 TO 15.4 PTS Gooing by the numbers, Ivey is a much better player than Malik Monk Malik played with two Allstars and a coach who actually wants to coach and not Williams, who came for the money...if Ivey was on the kings this season his numbers would be better Monk highest 3 point percentage is 40 and 39 % respectively of the 7 years in the league he 5 of those years was 35% and under...
I'm not sure that team makes a ton of sense. I mean who is your perimeter defender? Lauri and Monk are most effective moving a lot off ball whereas Cade and Claxton make sense as PnR partners. And Claxton isn't a particularly good screen setter off ball because he's narrow and he isn't a handoff hub. I suppose you could add Trent or Harris with the mid-level and use Monk as a sixth man but you're not really good enough to justify paying that for a sixth man you can't really maximize without a hub.
Well certainly having two open spots gives you more flexibility but it's just kicking the can down the road. The fifth guy in any roster construction is very specific And ultimately the reason you drafted Ivey -- to put a second side creator next to Cade -- is still there.
Why do you feel that? Just either splitting offense initiation between he and Cade or just having I ey initiate has looked better. Honestly, the single most important thing to making the roster look better is firing Monty
Jalen duren is still very young and full of untapped potential the pistons didnt bring in a veteran center to help Duren development Jaden Ivey got inconsistent minutes and was the back up to killian hayes who can't shoot...what the pistons need is 2 forwards that can shoot the 3 ball and defend around Cade,Jalen and Jaden
I agree, bad coaching is to blame for Iveys ups and downs also Duren needs a big to help him like Lively in Dallas who got Tyson Chandler mentoring him and u can see he plays like Tyson, Detroit has horrible player development and they give up on the young guys to quickly as we've seen with guys like KCP, Kennard, Middleton, Bruce Brown ect.
@dubble22eadge Jaden Ivey, became a full-time start in December and he played horribly in almost every game, except for a couple!! He CAN'T finish at the rim, he CAN'T shoot, he CAN'T play defense and he has EXTREMELY low basketball I.Q!!
@wrongthinkpodcast2140 After Monty Williams derailed Jaden Ivey confidence with inconsistent minutes after a promising rookie season and with limited openings in the lane because of the pistons two big men that can't shoot and always in the lane plus a small that can't shoot...he did much better Malik Monk who had two Allstars to draw defense attention and besides Ivey is only a second year player
Replacing Stew with a better defender who shoots better than 38% from three sounds great. I'm not sure we can find a realistic target given the needs at other positions.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 DE'ANDRE HUNTER, jerami grant,Patrick Williams, Bulls, RFA tho often injured, Dario Saric, There's also Tobias Harris..if he can be signed for a short a reasonable contract, JONATHAN ISAAC via trade
Thanks for answering my question 👍🏾👌🏾 I live in Sacramento and watching the Kings and the Pistons, I truly think that we need to build like them. The thing that was the catalyst for them was making the decision to trade someone that fans love for an established all star level player and then drafting positions that fit their needs. We need to trade either Ivey or Duren (preferably Ivey) and the 5 IMO. We also need to add free agents that fit us once we have that trade completed.
I think trading for starter vets is dumb. If theres a big fish then okay besides that do what Houston did. Sign a couple free agents reallocate minutes give another year. If you can get Ingram type talent okay if not then no
Ivey and Duren have been thrown into the deep end since they've entered the League 2 years ago. You do not pull the plug on young talent like that. The problem is the the Organisation; how it's been run from the Top. Many former Players have said this about us the last several years. I mean, we have an Owner that cares more about community work than actually seeing The Detroit Pistons Win on the Court. These are facts. We've seen this recurrence of trading young talent, only for them to develop into reliable Playoff performers, and sometimes becoming NBA Champions too. It always comes back to bite us. So...DO NOT trade Ivey and Duren. Nor Ausar too.
Starters: Cade, Monk, Claxton, Lauri Markkanen, and Simone Fonteccio. Reserves: Ausar, Sasser, Beef Stew, Quinton Grimes, and maybe bring Andre Drummond back on a veteran's minimum.
I really don't think Stewart can play 5. Lineups with him at 5 got absolutely torched. He's 6'8". I'd play Ausar at 5 before Stew because at least Ausar can get off the ground. Stewart is basically a statue in drop and he's like 30% as good as he thinks he is on switches. His strength is _weakside_ rim protection where he has a running start. He's similar to Rob Williams in that way. Not as good, but Rob is way way way better as a help guy than the guy in the drop or at the level Stew's best role is as a situational player not core rotation guy. In the right matchups he becomes super important. In others he won't play. Think Maxi Kleber. Different players but same kind of role
Did this man just call Stew a stretch 5?? He can't shoot and is undersized. He can't defend anyone. He shouldn't have been resigned at all. DUREN can be our bam if developed.
If you watched this horror show this past season you might have noticed that Stew was the second Best defender behind Ausar while shooting 38% from three. While I understand not watching, you shouldn't call out someone who actually did watch.
That's my issue with a lot of these trades. People wanna trade guys all the time but for what and who are you taking on in return? We can talk about Brandin Ingram all day but he even more injury prone than Cade AND will be signed to an even larger deal than Cade. Claxton and Monk are no different, both are probably not going to take on 2 year contracts because look how that turned out with Bruce Brown! These guys want to get paid and going to a 14 win team is highly unrealistic without paying them 25mil+ for 3 or 4 years. We're not winning squat next season, and we're not making the play in. At this point, I would highly consider hitting the reset button on this young core and trading guys for assets rather than players. We don't have an identity so continue drafting for two way guys that hustle and play defense. If you want to keep Cade, fine but if he's not gonna buy in on the partial reset then trade him. We are not in a good position to compete without proper assets OR a identity of how we want to play.
All I know is this, if Trajon does decide to move on from Monty Williams. Then I’m not trading Jaden Ivey, I just feel like he got a terrible run under Monty right from the start by Monty starting Killian Hayes over him all those games and he just never really recovered mentally. I don’t think Jaden likes Monty either, I’m giving Monty his pink slip outta here and just eating the contract I’m sorry. 🤷🏽♂️
The talent on the Pistons was horribly misused by Monty Williams this last season. That was the single biggest problem; it is still impossible tell what we even have.
@@cordelldemattei5446hard to do when you don’t have adequate scorers around you.. The scorers we did have didn’t play consistently. Durability has also been an issue
Ku isn't wrong about Ivey, it's just hard to hear. I never was big on JI, because he's just a wildcard IMO. He doesn't give context to why Ivey been bad tho. He was solid as a rookie, but needed a shot and a floater. Monty ruin his 2nd year, which deserves more context. I don't agree with Pistons will do bad with letting players play off the bench. The Magic did that with Suggs, Anthony and others now look at them. I'm all for Duren off the bench and being patient with Ivey. We gave up on KCP now look at him. Monk also was who is back then either.......Ku might been a little 💨 on this too. 😂😂. It's good seeing him mature more still a little too emotional, but he's learning so 🤷🏿♂️.
Glad yall squashed that Beef. That being said, how bout we trade Ivey, Stew and the 5th pick for KAT? Starting 5 being Cade, Grimes, Ausar, Fontecchioand KAT. Good mix of spacing and defense on the court. Get a Kris Dunn or another defensive PG off the bench and play Sasser at 2, sign some backup 3&D wings and move duren to backup big
@@LockedOnPistons ok but if they were moving off of him KAT would be the kind of player to unlock Ausar. Plus, we have tons of cap space so it's a perfect fit imo.
Giving up on two year players is kinda a head scratcher. You need at the very least to look at their trajectory trends. For instance, take their first two seasons and compare them against someone you want to replace them with. I also need for availability to be a factor to observe. Then let us know your findings because right now your plan sounds ludicrous. Ku, the ask is simple. Make it make sense.
Ausar doesn’t just need 2 of them-Ausar and Duren have NBA skills right now to build off of. My argument isn’t that Ausar is good enough now, rather he has a NBA skill already to build off of where Jaden Ivey does not
@@teezzz9645or maybe you don't understand the game of basketball and you think thst Ivey, is good cause he's athletic lol!! Ivey, CAN'T shoot, he CAN'T finish at the rim, he CAN'T play defense and he has EXTREMELY low basketball I.Q!!! Respectfully
I believe JI’s other skill to build of of is drawing defenders which frees up shooters. If you give Ausar & Duren time to grow because of how bad coaching was this year, maybe JI gets that time too. He is no more of a spot up shooter than Ausar but look at someone like Aaron Neismith -it takes some players longer than others to get good. Idk if Pistons have that time to wait but I thk he will get better.
Ku ideology stems from a Cade central perspective. Ivey strengths compromises Cade potential which is why he prefers Duren & Ausar over Ivey although Pistons greatest stretch of the season came from Ivey avg 22 & 6 with a 4-6 record without Cade being active as priority#1.... Cade under the same circumstances had Pistons 2-28 in 30 games of the season but somehow Ivey doesn't have any strengths 💀
Starters: PG Cade Cunningham SG Malik Monk C Nic Claxton SF Simone Fonteccio PF Lauri Markkanen Reserves: Ausar Thompson, Marcus Sasser, Quinton Grimes, and Isaiah Stewart.
Can you tell me how Claxton fits with us? He had Kevin Durant Ben Simmons Kyre Irving James Harding and so more ish…. And it’s suggested we get him. What dummies. Where does he take the load off Cade. He doesn’t. Please stop messing our Pistons up.
Ivey has elite speed, attacks the rim, plays uptempo, hit the boards both offensive and defensive, not afraid to take the shots. He needs to be the pg period. Cade needs to play off ball either the sg or sf.
My problem with Ku assessment of Ivey is his inconsistent stance. He made every excuse under the sun for Cade when struggled through his first 2 years and did nothing well by every statistic but he lauded Cade's flashes and said we have to patient but when it comes to Ivey and his inconsistency throw him away because he does nothing well now. His arguments are inconsistent. Hold everyone to the same standard. That's why I say he's biased in his opinion because he never really liked Ivey so like Monty Ivey is starting from a losing position. Unless Ivey came out in season two and averaged 20+ and 5 asts on high efficiency some fans would still not have liked him.
Cade and Ivey aren’t on the same level in any regard You guys talk about Ivey because he’s aesthetically fun to watch. Jaden Ivey having a higher Tov% than Cade despite the less usage is not Ku making up a stat, that’s what happened. Jaden Ivey being a poor defender isn’t a Ku stat, it’s what happened. Jaden Ivey being one of the worst spot up shooters in the nba at 14th%~ile per synergy is not a Ku stat, it’s what happened. Jaden Ivey being a bad finisher at 24th%~ile around the rim isn’t a Ku stat, it’s what happened. People like yourself call me bias and an Ivey hater because I say the evidence and, because you guys like Ivey, would rather me lie about what’s happened. Any argument against me about Ivey uses no stats or evidence, where that’s all I use to base my opinion. The opposing opinion is based all in feelings and fandom.
@@teezzz9645You’re wrong about defense not being a skill. Defense is a skill just like offense is, and just like offense, some players are more talented at it than others. Plenty of players try hard on defense and are still just not good at it. Ivey is a perfect example of being one of those players. “Trying harder” in the way that you’re thinking can just result in more fouls if you aren’t skilled.
@@LockedOnPistons Wow why? Did I say something disrespectful? I get you just want a people to agree with you on all topics and opinions. Ok I will not frequent your channel anymore. Hope you do well peace.
@Truthtella you honestly understand basketball?? Cade has NEVER EVER struggled like Ivey, Ivey will be out of the league in a couple of years!! He's an athletic you, who CAN'T finish at the rim, he can't shoot and his defense is atrocious!! Ivey has extremely low basketball I.Q...
So in a rebuild you get rid of 2 promising pieces to trade of vets the pistons have not done well with the return in trying this. I belive Ku is hating big time as usual, like how you wanna trade everyone because they didnt play well or get coached well and fire the coach for bad coaching..smh
@pheralanpathfinder4897 yeah it is hard but if they are quality players I think they should all get a do over for this new year. Just because the previous coach was trash, look at SGA I bet the clippers and hornets are kicking themselves now.
@@larrythomas1591 I wasn't demanding Weaver be fired. Keeping all his guys is fine with me. We have enough cap to add two starters to the rotation while keeping everyone. That's my plan barring a chance to do a good trade. But that's a path that could be awkward for Langdon after replacing Weaver with a different GM.
I fear our development in this organization so far is VERY poor like to the point it’s fucking up players trajectory Edit: as a real “dance, house etc.” fan honestly nevermind is NOT it lol
@@LockedOnPistons 1st of all show me 20 times, second of all you never have anything positive to say about Ivey because you don’t like him. You only single out Ivey’s shooting, defense and passing like if Cade doesn’t need to improve on these same things🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Get Claxton and trade Duren. Duren is a great rebounder at his floor but he needs time. I'd swing on a proven commodity in Claxton to try to start seeing improvement on this roster now. Duren could fit nicely on other teams.
Duren might beat out Claxton next year with improved defensive positioning and focus. Claxton has holes, even on D. He's not a physical presence and does get scored on when people get in to him. He does not command the boards as well. Duren can score off 1 and 2 dribbles much better. He's a better screen game player, passer. He's 20. I think it's a bad idea. Get someone affordable to push duren off the bench. Not 20+ mill starting center who also has holes.
I prefer to replace Duren with a couple stretch centers. Claxton wouldn't be a disaster but it would mean Ausar plays no more than 20 minutes per game for the next few years.
Ku is a great fan TH-camr. He’s an awful talent evaluator. His history is obviously documented. I watch him because he’s in the know, that’s also well documented.
Saddiq Bey, Shaedon Sharpe, Amen, Bruce Brown, LaMelo, said Kristaps would be great, said this team would not be good all last offseason despite fans being mad that I said this, said they didn’t have enough spacing last offseason, etc. I’m not a fan TH-camr, I have hits and misses-like anyone who does this for a living. Not gonna bat 1.000-I’m sorry I was wrong on Killian Hayes, so was every person that had him being drafted in the first round of his draft. Never will claim to get everything right, lol my history is well documented tho you right
@@LockedOnPistons what I mean by fan TH-camr is that you’re not a reporter, you have blatant bias with Pistons merchandise, and that’s fine no offense. My criticism with Killian is you stuck with him too long. It made me question your opinion of what was shown on the court. Just an opinion.
Zach Edey is the key. No Claxton. He’s not a low post threat. Hear y’all ho still on that. 1. 2. Punch like you said. Zach is automatic 2. Or foul or both. Takes so much off of everyone else. Traditional basketball. Our identity has never been small ball. Zach addresses more needs than 1. We get over the hump with him and Cade and Ivey Asar Fonteccio Sasser Flynn beef stew. Get Kennard and Christian Wood. Trade Duren for a pick. We want to win. Not keep playing chicken wing. They are beating a dead horse when the stallion we need is Zach Edey. He will save Monty’s job if he stays.
You are the only comedian. I’m talking basketball. You like the position we are in. Say intelligent. Oh, I mean that makes a difference or at least a better suggestion. When have we had a low post threat. Rim rollers are not winning you the game as you can see. Cade has no one he wants to defer to now you say bring in a wing to throw up 3s. Cade will keep the ball. Or it will come right back to him. Zach demands the ball and a double team or it’s 2. Hrs a Mitch match for everyone even Chet and Wemby. Rt now where’s our Mitch match except Cade. Get another wing, same position. Get Zach you keep Cade from injuring his self like Grant Hill. I really don’t think you know basketball. Wondering why we losing. Guard Center is how this game was created and in most cases is played if the game is played right. I wish Coach was here.
Cade Cunningham is a good player, but a fragile one. He isn't the type of player to build a team around. Not worth resigning. The Detroit Pistons weren't legitimate until they brought in Isiah Thomas.
I wouldn't give up on Ivey personally, but I don't disagree with what's being said. I just think Ivey has all world talent, and we are not in a position to just give away talent
This man kuu said Stewart has gotten better. How?? He has no offensive game at all. And he still can't actually space the floor. DUREN has a higher ceiling then stew. Beef stew isn't a good or elite defender he is to small. Troy shot this team in the foot again. Stew should have been traded not resigned. DUREN has showed he is willing to shoot. These mfrs are here taking trading DUREN for claxton. This team can't defend how is that on DUREN. James Edwards as well is a casual saying Stew keeps his man in front of him. These guys don't watch this team and this is why this team will never go anywhere. Trusting bums like Stew and chaining guys to the bench. Like ivey and killing his value as well.
I disagree with Ku about Ivey and Duren but you're not accurately portraying his opinion. Ku doesn't think Stew is better than Duren. That said Stew is a plus defender and shot 38% from three on 4 attempts per game. If Stew starts next year that could easily be 6 attempts per game which would put him in line with other 3&D starters.
Great show Ku & James. Honored to have your guys around.
Man thank you for being so consistent
My dream off-season moves first of all would be to somehow, someway began by first acquiring Lauri Markkanen in a trade from Utah, then extending Cade, re-signing Simone Fonteccio, and then with the remaining cap space sign Nic Clayton and Malik Monk. Like I stated before this would be my dream off-season scenario for our Detroit Pistons 🙏🏾
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This is Malik Monk stats 72
26.0
44.3
35.0
82.9
2.9
5.1
0.5
0.6
This is Jaden Ivey stats
77 games played
28.8 minutes
42.9 FG%
33.6 3P%
74.9 FT%
3.4 REB
3.8 AST
0.5 BLK
0.7 STL
2.6 PF
2.5 TO
15.4 PTS
Gooing by the numbers, Ivey is a much better player than Malik Monk
Malik played with two Allstars and a coach who actually wants to coach and not Williams, who came for the money...if Ivey was on the kings this season his numbers would be better
Monk highest 3 point percentage is 40 and 39 % respectively of the 7 years in the league he 5 of those years was 35% and under...
If you you plan on making a trade with Danny Ainge, you better bring lubricant.
I'm not sure that team makes a ton of sense. I mean who is your perimeter defender?
Lauri and Monk are most effective moving a lot off ball whereas Cade and Claxton make sense as PnR partners.
And Claxton isn't a particularly good screen setter off ball because he's narrow and he isn't a handoff hub.
I suppose you could add Trent or Harris with the mid-level and use Monk as a sixth man but you're not really good enough to justify paying that for a sixth man you can't really maximize without a hub.
@tremat3685demographics
I really enjoyed the end of this. Good on you Ku for showing humility.
Great episode fellas!
this should be a recurring thing at least once a month haha! love those 2 episodes
Thank you james! You made me start back watching Locked in pistosn
Trading Ivey would help this team construction soooooo much. I honestly believe that
Well certainly having two open spots gives you more flexibility but it's just kicking the can down the road. The fifth guy in any roster construction is very specific
And ultimately the reason you drafted Ivey -- to put a second side creator next to Cade -- is still there.
Why do you feel that? Just either splitting offense initiation between he and Cade or just having I ey initiate has looked better. Honestly, the single most important thing to making the roster look better is firing Monty
Jalen duren is still very young and full of untapped potential the pistons didnt bring in a veteran center to help Duren development
Jaden Ivey got inconsistent minutes and was the back up to
killian hayes who can't shoot...what the pistons need is 2 forwards that can shoot the 3 ball and defend around Cade,Jalen and Jaden
I agree, bad coaching is to blame for Iveys ups and downs also Duren needs a big to help him like Lively in Dallas who got Tyson Chandler mentoring him and u can see he plays like Tyson, Detroit has horrible player development and they give up on the young guys to quickly as we've seen with guys like KCP, Kennard, Middleton, Bruce Brown ect.
@dubble22eadge Jaden Ivey, became a full-time start in December and he played horribly in almost every game, except for a couple!! He CAN'T finish at the rim, he CAN'T shoot, he CAN'T play defense and he has EXTREMELY low basketball I.Q!!
@wrongthinkpodcast2140 After Monty Williams derailed Jaden Ivey confidence with inconsistent minutes after a promising rookie season and with limited openings in the lane because of the pistons two big men that can't shoot and always in the lane plus a small that can't shoot...he did much better Malik Monk who had two Allstars to draw defense attention and besides Ivey is only a second year player
Replacing Stew with a better defender who shoots better than 38% from three sounds great.
I'm not sure we can find a realistic target given the needs at other positions.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 DE'ANDRE HUNTER, jerami grant,Patrick Williams, Bulls, RFA tho often injured, Dario Saric,
There's also Tobias Harris..if he can be signed for a short a reasonable contract, JONATHAN ISAAC via trade
Great show, but I think everyone forget about the first year. He was all rookie team. Look at Jaylen Browns first 3 year stats. 😊
Look at Cades first two years va Ivey’s and he wasn’t even being misused.
Thanks for answering my question 👍🏾👌🏾 I live in Sacramento and watching the Kings and the Pistons, I truly think that we need to build like them. The thing that was the catalyst for them was making the decision to trade someone that fans love for an established all star level player and then drafting positions that fit their needs. We need to trade either Ivey or Duren (preferably Ivey) and the 5 IMO. We also need to add free agents that fit us once we have that trade completed.
Who or what skills would you be seeking in an Ivey trade?
Stewart cannot guard 5s that’s why he changed positions. Also why we traded for Bagley Duren and Wiseman. Stewart was getting bodied every game.
Stew is better at guarding centers than Duren. Getting a better center will help the team. But we only have limited cap and trade assets.
No one out hussles Beef stew...get rid of Wiseman
Stew is a backup PF or a small ball 5
Thanks for having JEIII on Ku.
I think trading for starter vets is dumb. If theres a big fish then okay besides that do what Houston did. Sign a couple free agents reallocate minutes give another year.
If you can get Ingram type talent okay if not then no
James and ku are the best episodes
Ivey and Duren have been thrown into the deep end since they've entered the League 2 years ago. You do not pull the plug on young talent like that. The problem is the the Organisation; how it's been run from the Top. Many former Players have said this about us the last several years. I mean, we have an Owner that cares more about community work than actually seeing The Detroit Pistons Win on the Court. These are facts. We've seen this recurrence of trading young talent, only for them to develop into reliable Playoff performers, and sometimes becoming NBA Champions too. It always comes back to bite us. So...DO NOT trade Ivey and Duren. Nor Ausar too.
Starters: Cade, Monk, Claxton, Lauri Markkanen, and Simone Fonteccio.
Reserves: Ausar, Sasser, Beef Stew, Quinton Grimes, and maybe bring Andre Drummond back on a veteran's minimum.
I really don't think Stewart can play 5. Lineups with him at 5 got absolutely torched. He's 6'8". I'd play Ausar at 5 before Stew because at least Ausar can get off the ground. Stewart is basically a statue in drop and he's like 30% as good as he thinks he is on switches.
His strength is _weakside_ rim protection where he has a running start. He's similar to Rob Williams in that way. Not as good, but Rob is way way way better as a help guy than the guy in the drop or at the level
Stew's best role is as a situational player not core rotation guy. In the right matchups he becomes super important. In others he won't play. Think Maxi Kleber. Different players but same kind of role
Did this man just call Stew a stretch 5?? He can't shoot and is undersized. He can't defend anyone. He shouldn't have been resigned at all. DUREN can be our bam if developed.
If you watched this horror show this past season you might have noticed that Stew was the second Best defender behind Ausar while shooting 38% from three.
While I understand not watching, you shouldn't call out someone who actually did watch.
That's my issue with a lot of these trades. People wanna trade guys all the time but for what and who are you taking on in return? We can talk about Brandin Ingram all day but he even more injury prone than Cade AND will be signed to an even larger deal than Cade. Claxton and Monk are no different, both are probably not going to take on 2 year contracts because look how that turned out with Bruce Brown! These guys want to get paid and going to a 14 win team is highly unrealistic without paying them 25mil+ for 3 or 4 years. We're not winning squat next season, and we're not making the play in.
At this point, I would highly consider hitting the reset button on this young core and trading guys for assets rather than players. We don't have an identity so continue drafting for two way guys that hustle and play defense. If you want to keep Cade, fine but if he's not gonna buy in on the partial reset then trade him. We are not in a good position to compete without proper assets OR a identity of how we want to play.
“Org is a weird ass word”- James Edwards
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thanks James
All I know is this, if Trajon does decide to move on from Monty Williams. Then I’m not trading Jaden Ivey, I just feel like he got a terrible run under Monty right from the start by Monty starting Killian Hayes over him all those games and he just never really recovered mentally. I don’t think Jaden likes Monty either, I’m giving Monty his pink slip outta here and just eating the contract I’m sorry. 🤷🏽♂️
You need time stamps bro. We appreciate you but timestamps would be amazing
Will look into iy
Better yet how much should Detroit pay for Claxton 2 blocks per game.
It's been reported that Tayshawn Prince will be assuming Troy Weaver's job.
I agree that Durens interior defense was awful but when a team switches everything its very easy to keep the big out of the paint protecting the rim.
Every franchise player needs a second leg to compete a one-two punch. It’s unfair to grade Cade at this point because he has little help
The talent on the Pistons was horribly misused by Monty Williams this last season. That was the single biggest problem; it is still impossible tell what we even have.
Also, most franchise players elevate the play of those around them. I have yet to see that from Cade.
@@cordelldemattei5446 you are absolutely correct.
@@cordelldemattei5446hard to do when you don’t have adequate scorers around you.. The scorers we did have didn’t play consistently. Durability has also been an issue
Ku isn't wrong about Ivey, it's just hard to hear. I never was big on JI, because he's just a wildcard IMO. He doesn't give context to why Ivey been bad tho. He was solid as a rookie, but needed a shot and a floater. Monty ruin his 2nd year, which deserves more context.
I don't agree with Pistons will do bad with letting players play off the bench. The Magic did that with Suggs, Anthony and others now look at them. I'm all for Duren off the bench and being patient with Ivey. We gave up on KCP now look at him. Monk also was who is back then either.......Ku might been a little 💨 on this too. 😂😂. It's good seeing him mature more still a little too emotional, but he's learning so 🤷🏿♂️.
I don’t 💨 bro💀
Glad yall squashed that Beef. That being said, how bout we trade Ivey, Stew and the 5th pick for KAT? Starting 5 being Cade, Grimes, Ausar, Fontecchioand KAT. Good mix of spacing and defense on the court. Get a Kris Dunn or another defensive PG off the bench and play Sasser at 2, sign some backup 3&D wings and move duren to backup big
KAT is owed a lot of money… and I don’t think MINN moving him
Kat is not a money player he disappears when he's needed the most
@@LockedOnPistons ok but if they were moving off of him KAT would be the kind of player to unlock Ausar. Plus, we have tons of cap space so it's a perfect fit imo.
I like KAT, I just think it’s a large contract to swallow. Would require a lot of discussion.
@@LockedOnPistons Fair enough, but if not KAT maybe another cheaper option to target? Maybe something to discuss on a future show?
If Troy Weaver were still a GM, there might be a GM who values an underachieving lottery pick
The org is crazy 😂
Giving up on two year players is kinda a head scratcher. You need at the very least to look at their trajectory trends. For instance, take their first two seasons and compare them against someone you want to replace them with. I also need for availability to be a factor to observe.
Then let us know your findings because right now your plan sounds ludicrous. Ku, the ask is simple. Make it make sense.
I'll trade cade before Ivey more vaule
That’s why you don’t run the Pistons, you’d run them further into the ground if you trade Cade. Who legitimately would he even be traded for?
@@2KVS amen and 3rd pick
Not like we gonna bring in some dudes and make some kinda big run ....
A fiver on the Third Man!
I don’t understand why JI has to be good at all of those things but ausar just 2 of them
Ausar doesn’t just need 2 of them-Ausar and Duren have NBA skills right now to build off of. My argument isn’t that Ausar is good enough now, rather he has a NBA skill already to build off of where Jaden Ivey does not
@@teezzz9645or maybe you don't understand the game of basketball and you think thst Ivey, is good cause he's athletic lol!! Ivey, CAN'T shoot, he CAN'T finish at the rim, he CAN'T play defense and he has EXTREMELY low basketball I.Q!!! Respectfully
I believe JI’s other skill to build of of is drawing defenders which frees up shooters. If you give Ausar & Duren time to grow because of how bad coaching was this year, maybe JI gets that time too. He is no more of a spot up shooter than Ausar but look at someone like Aaron Neismith -it takes some players longer than others to get good. Idk if Pistons have that time to wait but I thk he will get better.
Ku ideology stems from a Cade central perspective. Ivey strengths compromises Cade potential which is why he prefers Duren & Ausar over Ivey although Pistons greatest stretch of the season came from Ivey avg 22 & 6 with a 4-6 record without Cade being active as priority#1.... Cade under the same circumstances had Pistons 2-28 in 30 games of the season but somehow Ivey doesn't have any strengths 💀
Starters:
PG Cade Cunningham
SG Malik Monk
C Nic Claxton
SF Simone Fonteccio
PF Lauri Markkanen
Reserves: Ausar Thompson, Marcus Sasser, Quinton Grimes, and Isaiah Stewart.
elite defender yes but secondary playmaker -no
Sign Claxton, trade Duren to Nets for Cameron Johnson.
No Claxton. Draft Edey.
Can you tell me how Claxton fits with us? He had Kevin Durant Ben Simmons Kyre Irving James Harding and so more ish…. And it’s suggested we get him. What dummies. Where does he take the load off Cade. He doesn’t. Please stop messing our Pistons up.
Ivey has elite speed, attacks the rim, plays uptempo, hit the boards both offensive and defensive, not afraid to take the shots. He needs to be the pg period. Cade needs to play off ball either the sg or sf.
No, he's neither a point guard nor good. And if he ever gets good he still won't be a point guard.
Yall look like yalll could have the same Unc
Reporters are never supposed to hold grudges……period
My problem with Ku assessment of Ivey is his inconsistent stance. He made every excuse under the sun for Cade when struggled through his first 2 years and did nothing well by every statistic but he lauded Cade's flashes and said we have to patient but when it comes to Ivey and his inconsistency throw him away because he does nothing well now. His arguments are inconsistent. Hold everyone to the same standard. That's why I say he's biased in his opinion because he never really liked Ivey so like Monty Ivey is starting from a losing position. Unless Ivey came out in season two and averaged 20+ and 5 asts on high efficiency some fans would still not have liked him.
Cade and Ivey aren’t on the same level in any regard
You guys talk about Ivey because he’s aesthetically fun to watch. Jaden Ivey having a higher Tov% than Cade despite the less usage is not Ku making up a stat, that’s what happened.
Jaden Ivey being a poor defender isn’t a Ku stat, it’s what happened.
Jaden Ivey being one of the worst spot up shooters in the nba at 14th%~ile per synergy is not a Ku stat, it’s what happened.
Jaden Ivey being a bad finisher at 24th%~ile around the rim isn’t a Ku stat, it’s what happened.
People like yourself call me bias and an Ivey hater because I say the evidence and, because you guys like Ivey, would rather me lie about what’s happened.
Any argument against me about Ivey uses no stats or evidence, where that’s all I use to base my opinion. The opposing opinion is based all in feelings and fandom.
Plz stop watching this channel
@@teezzz9645You’re wrong about defense not being a skill. Defense is a skill just like offense is, and just like offense, some players are more talented at it than others. Plenty of players try hard on defense and are still just not good at it. Ivey is a perfect example of being one of those players. “Trying harder” in the way that you’re thinking can just result in more fouls if you aren’t skilled.
@@LockedOnPistons Wow why? Did I say something disrespectful? I get you just want a people to agree with you on all topics and opinions. Ok I will not frequent your channel anymore. Hope you do well peace.
@Truthtella you honestly understand basketball?? Cade has NEVER EVER struggled like Ivey, Ivey will be out of the league in a couple of years!! He's an athletic you, who CAN'T finish at the rim, he can't shoot and his defense is atrocious!! Ivey has extremely low basketball I.Q...
So in a rebuild you get rid of 2 promising pieces to trade of vets the pistons have not done well with the return in trying this. I belive Ku is hating big time as usual, like how you wanna trade everyone because they didnt play well or get coached well and fire the coach for bad coaching..smh
@larrythomas1591 you sir are a 🤡!!!
It's hard to imagine Langdon keeping all the Weaver picks after firing him.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 yeah it is hard but if they are quality players I think they should all get a do over for this new year. Just because the previous coach was trash, look at SGA I bet the clippers and hornets are kicking themselves now.
@@larrythomas1591 I wasn't demanding Weaver be fired. Keeping all his guys is fine with me. We have enough cap to add two starters to the rotation while keeping everyone. That's my plan barring a chance to do a good trade.
But that's a path that could be awkward for Langdon after replacing Weaver with a different GM.
I fear our development in this organization so far is VERY poor like to the point it’s fucking up players trajectory
Edit: as a real “dance, house etc.” fan honestly nevermind is NOT it lol
I applaud the Cade announcement b4 the coaching decision as a statement
what do you think it means ?
@@jbrandy-un9vv the best player on team is the selling point regardless of the coach
Stop bringing up Brandon Ingram man. He barely plays 60 games a season…please stop 😮💨🤕
Fonteccio and sassar keep....keep our top 6 ..use 5th pick for a rim protector...rest good vets
To be a secondary play maker , Ausar needs to have much better handles. His dribble drives and bringing ball down the court are weak at best.
Ku was never high on Jaden Ivey because he’s still butt hurt about Killian, period! P.S. KU YOU ARE THE HATER!
You’ve commented on my videos prolly 20 times to say this same statement, but you keep giving me a view every episode lol
@@LockedOnPistons 1st of all show me 20 times, second of all you never have anything positive to say about Ivey because you don’t like him. You only single out Ivey’s shooting, defense and passing like if Cade doesn’t need to improve on these same things🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Not replying to you, sir
am replying to the other account
@@LockedOnPistons Smart🌹🌹🌹
Get Claxton and trade Duren. Duren is a great rebounder at his floor but he needs time. I'd swing on a proven commodity in Claxton to try to start seeing improvement on this roster now. Duren could fit nicely on other teams.
Duren might beat out Claxton next year with improved defensive positioning and focus. Claxton has holes, even on D. He's not a physical presence and does get scored on when people get in to him. He does not command the boards as well. Duren can score off 1 and 2 dribbles much better. He's a better screen game player, passer. He's 20. I think it's a bad idea. Get someone affordable to push duren off the bench. Not 20+ mill starting center who also has holes.
@@gcburns4 I wouldn't give Duren away at all. Duren is still an impact player but I prefer a rim protector.
I prefer to replace Duren with a couple stretch centers. Claxton wouldn't be a disaster but it would mean Ausar plays no more than 20 minutes per game for the next few years.
Ku is a great fan TH-camr. He’s an awful talent evaluator. His history is obviously documented. I watch him because he’s in the know, that’s also well documented.
Saddiq Bey, Shaedon Sharpe, Amen, Bruce Brown, LaMelo, said Kristaps would be great, said this team would not be good all last offseason despite fans being mad that I said this, said they didn’t have enough spacing last offseason, etc.
I’m not a fan TH-camr, I have hits and misses-like anyone who does this for a living. Not gonna bat 1.000-I’m sorry I was wrong on Killian Hayes, so was every person that had him being drafted in the first round of his draft. Never will claim to get everything right, lol my history is well documented tho you right
Also, I said Ausar would be pick at 5 and was trolled for a month about it just for him to be the pick at 5
@@LockedOnPistons what I mean by fan TH-camr is that you’re not a reporter, you have blatant bias with Pistons merchandise, and that’s fine no offense.
My criticism with Killian is you stuck with him too long. It made me question your opinion of what was shown on the court. Just an opinion.
@@LockedOnPistons Agreed, that’s why I watch your show, you have a finger on the pulse of the people in the organization.
You are a 🤡
Zach Edey is the key. No Claxton. He’s not a low post threat. Hear y’all ho still on that. 1. 2. Punch like you said. Zach is automatic 2. Or foul or both. Takes so much off of everyone else. Traditional basketball. Our identity has never been small ball. Zach addresses more needs than 1. We get over the hump with him and Cade and Ivey Asar Fonteccio Sasser Flynn beef stew. Get Kennard and Christian Wood. Trade Duren for a pick. We want to win. Not keep playing chicken wing. They are beating a dead horse when the stallion we need is Zach Edey. He will save Monty’s job if he stays.
All of this is comically false and very dumb.
You are the only comedian. I’m talking basketball. You like the position we are in. Say intelligent. Oh, I mean that makes a difference or at least a better suggestion. When have we had a low post threat. Rim rollers are not winning you the game as you can see. Cade has no one he wants to defer to now you say bring in a wing to throw up 3s. Cade will keep the ball. Or it will come right back to him. Zach demands the ball and a double team or it’s 2. Hrs a Mitch match for everyone even Chet and Wemby. Rt now where’s our Mitch match except Cade. Get another wing, same position. Get Zach you keep Cade from injuring his self like Grant Hill. I really don’t think you know basketball. Wondering why we losing. Guard Center is how this game was created and in most cases is played if the game is played right. I wish Coach was here.
@@MPratt-zq4ek Edey is not better than Boban. You are absurdly wrong and horrifically ignorant.
DO NOT TRADE IVY OR DURAN OR TGE TWIN..NEITHER BEEF STEW...USE 5TH PICK FOR A RIM PROTECTOR...THEN GATHER SOME GOOD VETS..sry bout caps
Keep duren at the center . Draft players that can shoot. Put those 6'11 college centers that can ahoot at the 4 duh. Its not that hard ..
Cade Cunningham is a good player, but a fragile one. He isn't the type of player to build a team around. Not worth resigning. The Detroit Pistons weren't legitimate until they brought in Isiah Thomas.
Yep you're right I used to hate Isaiah Thomas when he was at Indiana he used to kill Michigan single-handedly
I would give Cade 1 -2 more years before I give up on him I think he'll have a breakout year this year
Stew is way overrated…..
How? He's a switchable big that shoots 38% from 3 and everyone thinks he's trash
@@Wake-up1776maybe it was autocorrected and it was supposed to say underrated?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 had to be
I wouldn't give up on Ivey personally, but I don't disagree with what's being said. I just think Ivey has all world talent, and we are not in a position to just give away talent
This man kuu said Stewart has gotten better. How?? He has no offensive game at all. And he still can't actually space the floor. DUREN has a higher ceiling then stew. Beef stew isn't a good or elite defender he is to small. Troy shot this team in the foot again. Stew should have been traded not resigned. DUREN has showed he is willing to shoot. These mfrs are here taking trading DUREN for claxton. This team can't defend how is that on DUREN. James Edwards as well is a casual saying Stew keeps his man in front of him. These guys don't watch this team and this is why this team will never go anywhere. Trusting bums like Stew and chaining guys to the bench. Like ivey and killing his value as well.
I disagree with Ku about Ivey and Duren but you're not accurately portraying his opinion.
Ku doesn't think Stew is better than Duren.
That said Stew is a plus defender and shot 38% from three on 4 attempts per game. If Stew starts next year that could easily be 6 attempts per game which would put him in line with other 3&D starters.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Stew is definitely better than Duren, and by a lot.
Monty gonna get canned