The C line is fastest line in the LA Metro due to the fact the line is located on the median of the highway. The line will also connect with the K line as well. Most recently, the LA Metro has give the K line the stations that the C line normally go. Now, the C Line will be redirected to the LAX/Metro station in 2025.
@@omarionjames9838 This isn't about frequencies. We are talking about the average speed the lines can take. The Green/C line has an average speed of 34.4 mph, while the Red/B line has 33.9 mph
The C line might actually be more important than the K line to connect to LAX. Why? First, the C line is fully grade separated and the fastest light rail line on LA Metro. Second, it will also connect to the LAX/Metro Transit Center Station, just like the K line. Lastly, the C line has a direct connection to the A line, which goes directly to Union Station. These are the reasons the C line will become vastly mote popular. Passengers will take it to and from both Union Station and LAX. From Union Station, you only need to transfer once to get to the LAX People Mover if you take the C line. You have to transfer twice if you take the K line to the People Mover if you start from Union Station. In fact, anyone near the A line would take the C line and not the K line. Again, fewer transfers and the C line is faster.
I would like to agree with this but Metro and the city really need to invest in some TOD around the A line stations between Willowbrook and downtown. That area can feel a little rough and potentially off putting to some riders.
@ronnyrueda5926 True, but in terms of getting to and from between LAX and DTLA, it would be the fastest route. BTW, there is increasingly more TOD being built along various LA Metro lines and stations. Though, historically, it's always been more difficult to get private developments built in South LA, unfortunately.
Yeah I think lots of people will enjoy taking the train from their homes in Pomona to their work in Pasadena for example! It'll also ease up congestion on the 210.
The green line is good for speed. But, its very unplesant and has poor connections to buses. If All the green line stations were like BART's rockdrige station (which also happens to be a median freewag station. That would make the C line more usable and plesant to ride.
No, that would be terrible. It would only slow down the fastest LRT line on LA Metro. The 105 freeway was designed from the beginning to have a Metro rail line run in the middle. It wasn't an afterthought. What they need to improve is the station experience by soundproofing the stations with platform screens and doors.
@@peterjonston5905 LOL. Yeah I guess it was okay! The restaurant is named Bestia. Was worth it just for one time but wouldn’t go back. Thanks for watching!
I'm rather disappointed by this review. It feels weird for only 6 lines to be reviewed, only 5 of which are even ranked, and for all of the rankings to cluster at the high end, despite the numerous drawbacks and complaints listed off. In terms of a systems analysis approach, this ranking deserves to include the BRT lines and even allow for comparison with the MetroLink commuter system, especially since the systems are being ever more closely interconnected. Additionally, it's a drastic mistake to include future pieces of the network. I would be willing to overlook including sections under active construction, but you included parts that are still in the planning phase. Furthermore, the LAX connection has been promised since the late 1980s (that's how we got the C Line in the first place) but has suffered from endless delays and problems; the actual LAX People Mover, directly connecting to the terminals, has only recently been rescheduled to open at the tail end of 2025, baring all further delays.
I'll take you one better and actually do the ranking we all wanted, but never got! In the S Tier, I put the A Line, and the A Line alone. It was LA's first rail transit line since the closure of the Pacific Electric System (the southern half was). The northern half runs along a former freight corridor that is (mostly) grade separated and is able to run up to top speed on many sections. Additionally, the line rides up above the landscape on many portions, affording sweeping views of Southern California. In Long Beach, Downtown LA, and Pasadena, the stations are well integrated into the local neighborhoods. A Tier: We have the B Line. It's LA's only proper subway, connecting Downtown with Hollywood, on towards the San Fernando Valley. This was the line we all saw in Speed! It has the look, feel, and service pattern of a real heavy-rail mass transit line, connecting lots of housing, retail, offices, schools, hospitals, etc. It's a high capacity, high frequency service that is fully underground through a highly developed urban area that suffers from extreme automobile traffic and parking problems. B Tier: This a crowded field. LA has a lot of reasonable transit, but it come with qualifiers, drawbacks, and flaws. This is where the D and K lines fall, they're great, but don't go very far. For most of its history, the D was just a separate stub service off of the B, running only two stops west along Wilshire before stopping. Granted, this has done wonders for Koreatown, demonstrating what a real transit service can do for a neighborhood. Yes, the extension down Wilshire in under construction. But until then, it doesn't get upgraded. Until it fully connects to LAX, the K Line is a joke, hobbled by disputes with contractors. C Tier: We have a mixed bag of services, each clocking in as mediocre for different reasons. The C Line truly is the line that goes from noplace to nowhere. Stations are distant from actual destinations, locked away within freeway medians; yes it can go fast, but only towards your next connection (if it arrives). The E Line is okay, but much of its length runs along city streets and doesn't have traffic signal priority. That being said, it does link Santa Monica with Downtown and East LA, and most stations are integrated with the local areas; the western terminus is just blocks away from the Promenade, the Pier, and the beach itself. This is also where we get to rank the the G Line; yes, it's a bus, but it (mostly) runs in a special right-of-way. The G however gets a mid-tier ranking because of overcrowding, slow speed, and overall capacity problems; it should have been a rail line, and include connections along to other parts of the Valley. An honorable mention here includes most of MetroLink. Our regional heavy rail services do a lot of work, but the stations are in terrible locations, designed around the park-&-ride mindset and even then assuming a strict peak/off-peak pattern, limiting service to a few theoretical traffic patterns. D Tier: This is where you get the J Line and its cousin the Silver Streak. The 10 and the 110 have god-tier bus lanes, but were converted into tolled express lanes that don't move faster than normal traffic. Additionally, the local/express bus service on these corridors got slashed back considerably in the attempt to refocus on the trunk lines. In practice, it means that the local bus service suffered, depriving what would otherwise be a vibrant service pattern of ridership. These stations are deeply unpleasant places to wait for the bus (when it comes). The Silver Streak has some even more pathetic stops along the freeway that just feel sad. I'm also going to rank Amtrak's Surfliner here. It's a perfectly pleasant service in its own right. It's just too few and far between. San Diego, Orange County, Los Angeles, Ventura, and San Luis Obispo deserve a far more expanded service pattern, arguably round the clock, not just whenever its convenient for the freight railroads. E Tier: Speaking of which, Amtrak's other intercity rail services get ranked here: just short of a failing grade. The Coast Starlight has terrible delay problems going up to San Francisco, and only runs once a day. Federal law gives them authority to crack the whip against Union Pacific, let's use it! The Southwest Chief and Sunset Limited fail to even connect to Las Vegas & Phoenix (respectively), despite having access to the trackage and stations. F Tier: The only failing grade is for MetroLink's Riverside Line. There's a couple trains in one direction in the morning, a couple more in the other direction in the afternoon, no weekend service, no off-peak trains, and stations that fail to connect to local universities, airports, hospitals, or much else. Basically, this service is a worthless piece of trash that nobody uses. Lots of people blame Union Pacific for this sad state of affairs. But one could easily see how alternate routing and better station placement would solve all of these problems overnight. Shame on you.
@@yorktown99 Hey there! Thanks so much for watching my video. Although I’m sorry you were left disappointed, I’m always happy to see that other people are also passionate about public transit! Also, awesome ranking list! I just finished reading the whole thing and wanted to thank you for your own perspective. I guess I just wanted my video to skew positive since the majority of news coverage on our system is negative. Maybe I’ll do a review of Metrolink when it eventually connects to the Vegas Brightline!
That's not the point of his list. His list is to rank the lines amongst/relative to each other. The most useful lines within LA Metro. However, the BRT lines should be included, too, because LA Metro regularly includes them as part of LA Metro lines.
@@yorktown99 Totally agree except I'd put the E line in A tier because the Western half stations are pretty well integrated into the neighborhood, and it connects the iconic SM beach with many neighborhoods along the way to downtown. It has helped me discover so much more options for food and cultural markets. Just kinda tragic it doesn't pass Union Station. And yes the signaling issues are a pain but gets better past Pico.
The C line is fastest line in the LA Metro due to the fact the line is located on the median of the highway. The line will also connect with the K line as well. Most recently, the LA Metro has give the K line the stations that the C line normally go. Now, the C Line will be redirected to the LAX/Metro station in 2025.
@@dgordine Hey thanks for watching my video! Wow didn’t know it goes even faster than our heavy rail lines.
@@YoungPawnYeah the C line has the longest average distance per station which contributed to its speed
No I think the red line is green line runs like every 15-20 min
@@omarionjames9838 This isn't about frequencies. We are talking about the average speed the lines can take. The Green/C line has an average speed of 34.4 mph, while the Red/B line has 33.9 mph
@omarionjames9838 They both run more often during peak hours.
The C line might actually be more important than the K line to connect to LAX.
Why? First, the C line is fully grade separated and the fastest light rail line on LA Metro. Second, it will also connect to the LAX/Metro Transit Center Station, just like the K line. Lastly, the C line has a direct connection to the A line, which goes directly to Union Station.
These are the reasons the C line will become vastly mote popular. Passengers will take it to and from both Union Station and LAX.
From Union Station, you only need to transfer once to get to the LAX People Mover if you take the C line. You have to transfer twice if you take the K line to the People Mover if you start from Union Station.
In fact, anyone near the A line would take the C line and not the K line. Again, fewer transfers and the C line is faster.
I would like to agree with this but Metro and the city really need to invest in some TOD around the A line stations between Willowbrook and downtown. That area can feel a little rough and potentially off putting to some riders.
@ronnyrueda5926 True, but in terms of getting to and from between LAX and DTLA, it would be the fastest route.
BTW, there is increasingly more TOD being built along various LA Metro lines and stations. Though, historically, it's always been more difficult to get private developments built in South LA, unfortunately.
Once the A line opens the Pomona station, that'll be S tier. I'm stuck in the Inland Empire and that station is only 15 miles from my house.
Yeah I think lots of people will enjoy taking the train from their homes in Pomona to their work in Pasadena for example! It'll also ease up congestion on the 210.
bro left out the G and J 💀
Chad light rail beta BRT
The green line is good for speed. But, its very unplesant and has poor connections to buses. If All the green line stations were like BART's rockdrige station (which also happens to be a median freewag station. That would make the C line more usable and plesant to ride.
They should honestly move the C line away from the freeway for half of the line. It could go on W El segundo Blvd
@@johnnysan1757 Agreed. Not the most comfortable experience getting off at stations in the middle of a highway lol.
No, that would be terrible. It would only slow down the fastest LRT line on LA Metro. The 105 freeway was designed from the beginning to have a Metro rail line run in the middle. It wasn't an afterthought. What they need to improve is the station experience by soundproofing the stations with platform screens and doors.
How was the $150 Gold Flaked Pasta?
@@peterjonston5905 LOL. Yeah I guess it was okay! The restaurant is named Bestia. Was worth it just for one time but wouldn’t go back. Thanks for watching!
@@YoungPawnThat restaurant has gotten great reviews.
I'm rather disappointed by this review. It feels weird for only 6 lines to be reviewed, only 5 of which are even ranked, and for all of the rankings to cluster at the high end, despite the numerous drawbacks and complaints listed off. In terms of a systems analysis approach, this ranking deserves to include the BRT lines and even allow for comparison with the MetroLink commuter system, especially since the systems are being ever more closely interconnected. Additionally, it's a drastic mistake to include future pieces of the network. I would be willing to overlook including sections under active construction, but you included parts that are still in the planning phase. Furthermore, the LAX connection has been promised since the late 1980s (that's how we got the C Line in the first place) but has suffered from endless delays and problems; the actual LAX People Mover, directly connecting to the terminals, has only recently been rescheduled to open at the tail end of 2025, baring all further delays.
I'll take you one better and actually do the ranking we all wanted, but never got!
In the S Tier, I put the A Line, and the A Line alone. It was LA's first rail transit line since the closure of the Pacific Electric System (the southern half was). The northern half runs along a former freight corridor that is (mostly) grade separated and is able to run up to top speed on many sections. Additionally, the line rides up above the landscape on many portions, affording sweeping views of Southern California. In Long Beach, Downtown LA, and Pasadena, the stations are well integrated into the local neighborhoods.
A Tier:
We have the B Line. It's LA's only proper subway, connecting Downtown with Hollywood, on towards the San Fernando Valley. This was the line we all saw in Speed! It has the look, feel, and service pattern of a real heavy-rail mass transit line, connecting lots of housing, retail, offices, schools, hospitals, etc. It's a high capacity, high frequency service that is fully underground through a highly developed urban area that suffers from extreme automobile traffic and parking problems.
B Tier:
This a crowded field. LA has a lot of reasonable transit, but it come with qualifiers, drawbacks, and flaws. This is where the D and K lines fall, they're great, but don't go very far. For most of its history, the D was just a separate stub service off of the B, running only two stops west along Wilshire before stopping. Granted, this has done wonders for Koreatown, demonstrating what a real transit service can do for a neighborhood. Yes, the extension down Wilshire in under construction. But until then, it doesn't get upgraded. Until it fully connects to LAX, the K Line is a joke, hobbled by disputes with contractors.
C Tier:
We have a mixed bag of services, each clocking in as mediocre for different reasons. The C Line truly is the line that goes from noplace to nowhere. Stations are distant from actual destinations, locked away within freeway medians; yes it can go fast, but only towards your next connection (if it arrives). The E Line is okay, but much of its length runs along city streets and doesn't have traffic signal priority. That being said, it does link Santa Monica with Downtown and East LA, and most stations are integrated with the local areas; the western terminus is just blocks away from the Promenade, the Pier, and the beach itself. This is also where we get to rank the the G Line; yes, it's a bus, but it (mostly) runs in a special right-of-way. The G however gets a mid-tier ranking because of overcrowding, slow speed, and overall capacity problems; it should have been a rail line, and include connections along to other parts of the Valley.
An honorable mention here includes most of MetroLink. Our regional heavy rail services do a lot of work, but the stations are in terrible locations, designed around the park-&-ride mindset and even then assuming a strict peak/off-peak pattern, limiting service to a few theoretical traffic patterns.
D Tier:
This is where you get the J Line and its cousin the Silver Streak. The 10 and the 110 have god-tier bus lanes, but were converted into tolled express lanes that don't move faster than normal traffic. Additionally, the local/express bus service on these corridors got slashed back considerably in the attempt to refocus on the trunk lines. In practice, it means that the local bus service suffered, depriving what would otherwise be a vibrant service pattern of ridership. These stations are deeply unpleasant places to wait for the bus (when it comes). The Silver Streak has some even more pathetic stops along the freeway that just feel sad.
I'm also going to rank Amtrak's Surfliner here. It's a perfectly pleasant service in its own right. It's just too few and far between. San Diego, Orange County, Los Angeles, Ventura, and San Luis Obispo deserve a far more expanded service pattern, arguably round the clock, not just whenever its convenient for the freight railroads.
E Tier:
Speaking of which, Amtrak's other intercity rail services get ranked here: just short of a failing grade. The Coast Starlight has terrible delay problems going up to San Francisco, and only runs once a day. Federal law gives them authority to crack the whip against Union Pacific, let's use it! The Southwest Chief and Sunset Limited fail to even connect to Las Vegas & Phoenix (respectively), despite having access to the trackage and stations.
F Tier:
The only failing grade is for MetroLink's Riverside Line. There's a couple trains in one direction in the morning, a couple more in the other direction in the afternoon, no weekend service, no off-peak trains, and stations that fail to connect to local universities, airports, hospitals, or much else. Basically, this service is a worthless piece of trash that nobody uses. Lots of people blame Union Pacific for this sad state of affairs. But one could easily see how alternate routing and better station placement would solve all of these problems overnight. Shame on you.
@@yorktown99 Hey there! Thanks so much for watching my video. Although I’m sorry you were left disappointed, I’m always happy to see that other people are also passionate about public transit!
Also, awesome ranking list! I just finished reading the whole thing and wanted to thank you for your own perspective. I guess I just wanted my video to skew positive since the majority of news coverage on our system is negative. Maybe I’ll do a review of Metrolink when it eventually connects to the Vegas Brightline!
That's not the point of his list. His list is to rank the lines amongst/relative to each other. The most useful lines within LA Metro. However, the BRT lines should be included, too, because LA Metro regularly includes them as part of LA Metro lines.
@@yorktown99 Totally agree except I'd put the E line in A tier because the Western half stations are pretty well integrated into the neighborhood, and it connects the iconic SM beach with many neighborhoods along the way to downtown. It has helped me discover so much more options for food and cultural markets. Just kinda tragic it doesn't pass Union Station. And yes the signaling issues are a pain but gets better past Pico.