60 anniversary of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, bumbling Nehru, Krishna Menon, squabbling generals

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  • #ICYMI #cuttheclutter #1962war
    In the 60th anniversary of 1962 Sino-Indian war, a look at Indian leaders, political & military, responsible for the debacle. Nehru, his most powerful Defence minister Krishna Menon, and a star cast of squabbling generals. Shekhar Gupta had dealt with this in India's second most powerful man during the Nehru era, in episode 366 of Cut The Clutter. Originally published on Jan 12, 2020.
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  • @ThePrintIndia
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    • @vishwassinha569
      @vishwassinha569 ปีที่แล้ว

      1962 - Here we go again!!! India lost fresh territories in China over last 3 years, no? From Ladakh to Arunachal border, ask any villager there!

    • @josephdevassy4256
      @josephdevassy4256 ปีที่แล้ว

      qqq1qqqqqqqqqqqq1q

    • @abhishekrai33
      @abhishekrai33 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gupta ji....thapar and kaul were nehru's blue eyed boys...they were like nehru...hero in LUTYENS and zero in war ☹️☹️☹️☹️

    • @sudipb6995
      @sudipb6995 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @jitmick
    @jitmick ปีที่แล้ว +69

    General Thimaiayya had the foresight to understand that the domestic politics of Indian democracy will be no match for the Chinese autocracy, hence his idea of dealing the Chinese through negotiations still hold valid as of today

    • @t5ruxlee210
      @t5ruxlee210 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      General K. S. Thimayya was an experienced, successful, combat officer in WW2. Like him in his day, the best of them become very protective of their lower ranks who are trying their best and often dying horrible deaths for a hundred different reasons no one stuck at the front can get corrected. When they finally close in on the source of their difficulties, they seldom mince words.

    • @raoplns
      @raoplns ปีที่แล้ว

      No...when forces are fighting in field, what matters is who wants to win....there are not politics on the field.....

    • @SonOf_Monotheist_Supreme_Being
      @SonOf_Monotheist_Supreme_Being ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raoplns Bro forces on ground fights on the orders of politicians also

    • @adityarajeshwakade8279
      @adityarajeshwakade8279 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raoplns ladai k complications k barey mein pata nai kuch bas bakchodi karna h keyboard pe

  • @brijesh1998
    @brijesh1998 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    The truth is that after the coup in Pakistan, Indian politicians were scared that the Army in India may do a similar thing as all the Generals of both armies were actually comrades before partition. Hence the systematic degradation of the Indian Army by the politicians. Please remember that against all odds the Indian Army has remained the last bastion of the country and has not failed its people. Please talk about the soldiers who fought to the last bullet and man.

    • @vishwajitbopanna266
      @vishwajitbopanna266 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      True you know what you are saying actually was about to happen in 2009 because the then party in power was neglecting the army on purpose. And that Time the study came out that China's had the capability to come upto Hyderabad. But now the government is supporting the army and it's the best thing that has happened

    • @harikrishnanr1971
      @harikrishnanr1971 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@vishwajitbopanna266 And those same fools are now doing some stupid yatra

    • @MrPraveensagar
      @MrPraveensagar ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Indian Generals were issuing political statements & coups sponsored by CIA were rife in Asia...naturally politicians were nervous..vn Indian General was praising pakis dictators , Nehru smartly made him ambassador to Australia & shipped him out of country. When it's nations interest, we should remember, General or politicians don't matter. What's important & right, has to be done

    • @magnusnotcarlsen3241
      @magnusnotcarlsen3241 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There was always a possibility of coup. So there were some good reforms to keep army under civilian government. It's not recognised well today

    • @ashwinbhat
      @ashwinbhat ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@vishwajitbopanna266 That bit about the study suggesting the Chinese capability to reach Hyderabad has intrigued me. Who published the study? Could you please share some more information about that?

  • @ashokkumartripathi6836
    @ashokkumartripathi6836 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The entire responsibility for 1962 defeat goes to Nehru. He made VK Krishna Menon defence minister and promoted intrigues among top military commanders via PN Thapar , the worst soldier India has ever had. In turn Nehru had a very unpleasant end of his political life.

    • @tejesheconomics4072
      @tejesheconomics4072 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂😂...Nehru tried to make the Army as weak as possible...That is why We don't have any coups like PAKISTAN OR BANGLADESH OR MYNMAR OR SRILANKA.....We paid it for 1962 loss

    • @SAMARTHSAMANT
      @SAMARTHSAMANT 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A bigger reason was general BG kaul . He was most loved guy of nehru.
      He blindly pursued forward policy despite forward commanders warned him

    • @lifeinaspiral
      @lifeinaspiral 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gen Pran Nath Thapar was related to Nehru. I doubt he was made General. He Shamelessly made Ambassador to Afghanistan after losing the war😅

    • @avsbiyani
      @avsbiyani 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ohh shut up arsehole

  • @niveditamishra7021
    @niveditamishra7021 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I know Krishna Menon played his role in lobbying with the British left during the war years and may have influenced Clement Atlee and his Labour Party, but as defence minister it was the pits. I wholeheartedly would welcome changing the name of Krishna Menon marg. As an army officer's daughter, just the thought of this man as India's defence minister is revolting.
    I am surprised to know that Gen. Thimayya was confiding in the British High Commissioner in Delhi, but for most parts, I am grown up with tremendous admiration for the man. BN Kaul and PN Thapar be damned.

    • @anvithkulkarni3714
      @anvithkulkarni3714 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s as told by Mr Gupta no evidence as such it’s more like whitewashing nehru

    • @sekhariyer3980
      @sekhariyer3980 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      PN Thapar is the father of another MF called Karan Thapar

    • @shubhamkumar6689
      @shubhamkumar6689 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sekhariyer3980 Romila thapar is also related to them.

    • @piyushsingh8399
      @piyushsingh8399 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shubhamkumar6689 cousin

    • @dineshpratapupadhyay6583
      @dineshpratapupadhyay6583 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What about Gen. JN Chaudhary who was moonlighting as a journalist in a British newspaper?

  • @bittoochatterjee2661
    @bittoochatterjee2661 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    My Mother's Eldest Brother A 1947 Commissioned Officer In The Flying Branch Of Indian Air Force
    As A Wing Commander In The Year Of 1962 Had Participated ... Fought In This
    Sino India War / Indo China War of 1962.
    He ( Mamajee ) Wii Always Remain in My Mind & Heart Fore Ever .❤❤🌹🌹😊😊😍😍
    Proud Of Him

    • @dineshpratapupadhyay6583
      @dineshpratapupadhyay6583 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You have surprised me because so far as I know, the Indian Air Force was not used in the Sino-Indian war....

    • @vijinravi1765
      @vijinravi1765 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dineshpratapupadhyay6583 yes IAF was deployed for air dropping supplies and that went on to be a failure as army failed to collect it.

    • @dineshpratapupadhyay6583
      @dineshpratapupadhyay6583 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vijinravi1765,
      Chatterjee said that his cousin fought in this.
      My response to him was in that context.

    • @vijinravi1765
      @vijinravi1765 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dineshpratapupadhyay6583 ok,you are right in a way there was no combat ops from IAF because of the fear about chinese reactions thanks for replay ❤🇮🇳👍

    • @anujkr4226
      @anujkr4226 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? Did IAF even participated in 1962 war? I think you're confusing it with 1965 🙄.

  • @anantsahay9340
    @anantsahay9340 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This proves the point that the British controlled India long time after 15th August 1947; and continue to do so in the minds of the Lutyens.

  • @vinayakphadke522
    @vinayakphadke522 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This Genaral thapar was father of karan thapar ? It shows !

    • @Captain_Sosuke_Aizen
      @Captain_Sosuke_Aizen ปีที่แล้ว +9

      does the disgraced Romila thapar has anything to do with them?

    • @AK-fd1tb
      @AK-fd1tb ปีที่แล้ว +7

      She's his niece

    • @Captain_Sosuke_Aizen
      @Captain_Sosuke_Aizen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AK-fd1tb Oh the whole family of Hindu hating neheruvian elitist loosers!. This family is one reason for the trashed Hindu confidence even after British has left us!. wow 1 family.
      Its always a few people who does the damage of 1000000s most of the time. (reverse also is true)

    • @AK-fd1tb
      @AK-fd1tb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen I agree mate. There are even reports Indira Gandhi was corrupt and funded by Soviet to be socialists. It's all in 'Mithrokan files' by an ex-kgb agent who immigrated to US. He speaks of Indian bureaucracy was infiltrated by CIA and KGB. Besides do you know that Nehru was influenced by Mohammad Habib who's the father of Irfan Habib who's known Left ideologue along with Romila Thapur known to lie about Ram Mandir of Ayodhya. Even SC called them on lies.

    • @shubhamkumar6689
      @shubhamkumar6689 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It would be surprising to you that thapar family is related to Nehru family too. There are few more such families who are related to each other and held powerful positions in establishment and intellectual groups.

  • @harminderkaur4994
    @harminderkaur4994 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Gen PN THAPAR expelled , Krishna menon , pannikar , Vijay laxmi Pandit, roles should be explained, leftist openly supported China tell also , harkrishan surjeet , jyoti basu were jailed, RSS wAs asked parade in 1963 republic day parade, tell how nehru panicked and pissed asked for US help,, help arrived in form of transport aircraft piloted by American pilots for transportation of army troops, maps , intelligence information

    • @parvadhami980
      @parvadhami980 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please write in a coherent way

    • @ramugoudar7772
      @ramugoudar7772 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He won't dig his comrades grave, he is a lutyens journalist. He is articulately hiding Nehru's failure and blaming it on Indian army.

  • @chanakyabharat756
    @chanakyabharat756 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Shekarji with all respect request you to control Hunduphobic articles from Vir Sanghvi, Hindus are already facing hard time in UK, US, Canada and people like Vir are adding fuel to rising Hunduphobia.

    • @captaindunsel2806
      @captaindunsel2806 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stop raping people. Problem solved.

    • @chanakyabharat756
      @chanakyabharat756 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Sumeet tanwar they will care if we stop taking subscriptions and flag videos as hatred, we are too busy to just press that button.

    • @chanakyabharat756
      @chanakyabharat756 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sumeet tanwar Netflix thought same but finally changed when subscriptions came down and had to reduce wokeism, remember ultimately these folks want to make money and have to mend ways if they do loses.

  • @krishnamowar9950
    @krishnamowar9950 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You have made many stories about Thimayya based on inputs from a Congress leader fromSouth.
    Thimmaya became a chief because of his outstanding performance in 1948 against PAK specially in Zozilla , and later in Korea. And Nehru was very impressed by him. Kaul was Guilty man No 1, Krishna Menon No 2 and Nehru No3. Indian army ( officer cadre) wasn’t very professional at that time and very inadequately equipped. Nehru was totally misled and tricked by Mao Tse Tung.

    • @chaksh
      @chaksh ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean Zee Dong. Tung was dead!!

  • @vedashriram39
    @vedashriram39 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Isn't the same General Thapar, responsible for the defeat of the Indian army at the hands of the Chinese? Isn't he the father of the so called Journo Karan Thapar? Isn't he the uncle of the greatest historian Romila Thapars uncle? The lineage speaks for itself!!!

    • @jollythomas3328
      @jollythomas3328 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sssshhh!!😊☺️☺️💐👍

    • @vedashriram39
      @vedashriram39 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sumeet tanwar truly said

    • @kannandesikan573
      @kannandesikan573 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Historian? Greatest ? Joke of the century.

    • @asimsehanobis2094
      @asimsehanobis2094 ปีที่แล้ว

      ON THE DOT.NEHRU WAS ALSO NOT GOOD AT NEGOTIATION,AS SEKHAR GUPTA WANTS US TO BELIEVE.HE WAS OBSESSED WITH HINDI-CHINI BHAI,BHAI.ONE ORDNANCE VICTORY IN W.BENGAL WAS MANUFACTURING HURRICANE LANTERNS IN PLACE OF WEAPONS.

  • @sesh7357
    @sesh7357 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Amazing the way Shekhar tells the story with a straight face! It's really hilarious!

  • @user-hb7lc1jw1h
    @user-hb7lc1jw1h ปีที่แล้ว +25

    With people of weak character and low confidence who were in awe of the Britishers and looked down upon the less anglicized Indians, it was obvious that BN Kauls would be given credence over a Gen Thimayya or Thorat. Poor quality political leadership lead to poor quality Generals who realised that the way to ascend to next level is through politicking and back biting. Clearly that’s what the generals started to do resulting in a deadly combination for India - v poor political generals, a third rate Def Minister Krishna Menon and a poor quality sychophant PM

  • @hansikursch484
    @hansikursch484 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Indian Army today is dearly missing a capable leader like Mr. Manekshaw. He would suffer no fools in the government or the rot in the mil. hierarchy.

  • @purushottamsingi7974
    @purushottamsingi7974 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Some time later,research and let your viewers know why airforce was not used in 1962.
    A Major, probably his name ends as Bakshi, a two time MC, did a lot of survey of Chinese built up in Eastern Ladakh and reported these to top Army/ Airforce and even to the then Defence Minister.
    This gentleman, since last heard, was alive till the first lock out, lived in Andheri area of Mumbai.

  • @bikashjha70
    @bikashjha70 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gen JN chaudhari was moonlighting 😂😂 ..awesome sir

  • @rahulitrc
    @rahulitrc ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And their descendants is saying that Modi is afraid of China.
    Hahahaha

  • @jollythomas3328
    @jollythomas3328 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm not surprised that Karan Thapar's dad headed the Army that time...Which self-respecting officer makes his son a journo 😊☺️💐

  • @ree888
    @ree888 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for a most interesting story about our motherland’s history. I couldn’t help but draw analogy with the startup world.. when everyone is just driving various functions of the business in their own manner. There’s chaos, personnel choices are driven largely by the personality/proximity/like ability of the founder(s). And those personnel bring in their own style of processes, rules (or lack thereof) till such a time the startup matures sufficiently. Until that maturity is achieved, the mission/vision document (constitution, in case of the country and government) is simply a cosmetic document although put together with greatest passion and sacredness. I’m glad we’re in the highly evolved phase of our country now and can reflect and critique and learn from the past… hopefully good lessons will come out of the past! 🇮🇳 🌎

  • @NeelanjanBandyopadhyay
    @NeelanjanBandyopadhyay ปีที่แล้ว +9

    PN THAPAR is father of Karan Thapar.

    • @erwinmasusu4342
      @erwinmasusu4342 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And also closely related to Romilla Thapar, the Hindu hating “secular” leftist historian of JNU.

  • @yoursetc
    @yoursetc ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Naming a road after Krishna Menon is nauseating, the great choice will of course be any of our brave soldier who laid their lives in that unequal war

  • @anitaparveen675
    @anitaparveen675 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nehru gave Akshi chin to china as a gift stating not a blade of grass grows there. But he could not get Noble prize

  • @Little-bird-told-me
    @Little-bird-told-me ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Indians are like _"Crabs in a Bucket"_ You can keep the lid open and no one will allow the other to escape. Ofcourse, Army is no exception.

  • @AjitJoshi686
    @AjitJoshi686 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Gen P N Thapar is Dad of Karan Thapar and related to JNU History Goddess.

    • @RP027
      @RP027 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Literally harming this country is their family business

  • @ranjitpal9937
    @ranjitpal9937 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Let's Not Change History BUT Build New Roads And Name Them After War Hero's

  • @laitmagnani1525
    @laitmagnani1525 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All the politics in the government & army headquarters lead to the loss of Aksai Chin while our Soliders fought bravely to the last bullet & heroically laid down their lifes in the line of duty.

  • @raoplns
    @raoplns ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for sharing. It is leader who needs to pick right person for a job. Nehru utterly failed....it is a pity we still revere Nehru an Gandhi, the very destroyers of our nation.

  • @fuzzy289
    @fuzzy289 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant story telling as always.

  • @abhijitdatta7796
    @abhijitdatta7796 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome episode

  • @44sachinv
    @44sachinv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which is the book that sir is referring to? Please share the name of the book.
    It would also be helpful if you could share the link of the original unabridged version.

    • @madhubose123
      @madhubose123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/video/fkq-yi50bfs/w-d-xo.html

    • @rohanmishra1997
      @rohanmishra1997 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Chequered Brilliance by Jairam Ramesh

    • @44sachinv
      @44sachinv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rohanmishra1997 Thanks

  • @devshetty7465
    @devshetty7465 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No wonder he has son like karan Thapar

  • @nitovatorsnitj
    @nitovatorsnitj ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Reading about these histories, mistakes and corrections, we realize how far we have come and and how far we yet have to go to be called a mature nation.

  • @vivekanandholla6730
    @vivekanandholla6730 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the information

    • @ThePrintIndia
      @ThePrintIndia  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for tuning in, Vivekanand. Always so heartening to see your comments!

  • @patriot4413
    @patriot4413 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nehru was the biggest strategic failure India had which changed the Indian history for ever. The Partition, The Kashmir problem and the Humiliation by China. Three big blots on his life and still he was the most respected leader, why? Indira Gandhi was by far the best leader when it comes to Strategic decisions for India.

    • @desigulal
      @desigulal ปีที่แล้ว

      The hindu kings were spineless , supremely selfish and allowed muslim invasion. Had they stayed united and thwarted the invaders , we wouldn't be in the situation we are in right now. Nehru just inherited the mess after centuries of slavery our ancestors brought upon us . My blood boils when i see people taking pride in things like "India has never invaded any other country". These spineless MFs didnt even unite against the barbarians and allowed loot and plunder for a 1000 yrs

    • @tejesheconomics4072
      @tejesheconomics4072 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nehru is a man of peace who was thrown into this mess....He is a kashmiri who can't see his fellow Kashmiris getting killed so went to UN... Partition is not his mistake because it is Patel who advised him to get it done ....China war is Nehru mistake....because he trusted his Defence minister without questioning him not once

  • @ArjunYadav-oe5zn
    @ArjunYadav-oe5zn ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please increase the volume in video

  • @rajkumara8388
    @rajkumara8388 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which book you are referring to? The one written by Jairam Ramesh?

  • @awadheshkalia
    @awadheshkalia ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Interesting snippets of Indian history. This was known in bits and pieces. Stitched together in a sequence, it gives a clearer picture.

  • @achyutsingh
    @achyutsingh ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations for crossing 2M subs

  • @mady8322
    @mady8322 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear The Print Team,
    Kindly make a correction at 5:47
    The caption says Menon whereas it should be Thimayya

  • @shivprasadjoshi5280
    @shivprasadjoshi5280 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Also, nobody should forget that Indian Air Force was not used by Nehru, the chief architect of Chinese Victory.😡

    • @ragilabonix
      @ragilabonix ปีที่แล้ว

      Non sense. What fighter planes did we have. What is the ceiling and endurance. Where all did we have base. There is no way our aircraft will be able to get to the border and get back, every launch will be a crash . It was prudent, not using airforce..
      Please don’t claim to know more than the generals then sitting in2022.

    • @shivprasadjoshi5280
      @shivprasadjoshi5280 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ragilabonix Nehru had said I do not want to escalate..
      Also compared to the Chinese we had power enough to destroy their attacking army. Also our airports were very close to the border. Even today our airforce has an edge because of the same.
      Also please read The Himalayan Blunder by Major John Dalvi, a book banned 7 times by successive Congress Governments.

  • @inde279
    @inde279 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting!

  • @peacelogic5286
    @peacelogic5286 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the reason you are ahead in the game

  • @libshastra
    @libshastra ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Do CBSE textbooks cover post Independence India in detail? I think it's high time we start talking more about 62 than the freedom movement

    • @parvadhami980
      @parvadhami980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They won't as then Politics would come into play

  • @utsavjoshi3172
    @utsavjoshi3172 ปีที่แล้ว

    This episode reminds me of the episode on the book The Checkered past on defense minister Menon

  • @brijesh1998
    @brijesh1998 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Nehru though that the country didn't need an Army. Please research the systematic degradation of the Indian Army starting from the early 50s. Ordinance factories started manufacturing cutlery. The Indian Army which was one of the best in the world just after Independence was slowly reduced to nothingness. Our diplomacy was pathetic and our politicians couldn't put their money where their mouth was. The deplorable conditions in which our men fought is unprecedented. In a democracy, the Political class has to state the intent, facilitate the Military and they will do their task.

    • @BeE_AriyaN
      @BeE_AriyaN ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The country really missed Netaji like figure on those days. Better or worse, experience always serves you good.

    • @shodhitgoyal6539
      @shodhitgoyal6539 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @kunal kumar Who told you we have lost any territory whatsoever?

    • @SKumar-kp7fq
      @SKumar-kp7fq ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shodhitgoyal6539 What makes you think that we haven't lost territory in 2020?

    • @rravisankar3355
      @rravisankar3355 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SKumar-kp7fq We lost territory to China during 1959-62. Nothing in 2020 as certain political leanings bugle out! So relax 😉

    • @AMITKUMAR-bv7qm
      @AMITKUMAR-bv7qm ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SKumar-kp7fq Because there's no confirmation from Indian Army. I can rely on my army's statement and I truly believe on them. Our army is not in the situation what they were in 1962. China also knows very well what consequences they have to face if they try to capture territory.
      If country like Ukrain sustain a war against mighty Russia then India is in far stronger position to counter China effectively and geography in many areas also strengthens our position.

  • @koibatnahi4683
    @koibatnahi4683 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a mess we had. It is scary to think that the country's defence was at mercy of such leaders. The common soldiers and low wrung officers protected our land with their lives. Zara yaad Karo qurbani..

  • @kallachi729
    @kallachi729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Worth a revisit.Among all the incompetence “squabbling Generals” rankles. The Army fought bravely. And therein lies the irony.
    Tailpiece: The Q is have we leant a lesson? Can we have an MOD filled with those not in Uniform, without doubtful knowledge on National security issues? Just asking. Security of a Nation against external threats has to be handled by a combination of diplomats, bureaucrats, Defence persons in service et al. working in unison as a team. MOD is that team. I do not see the media, security e perks et al debating this issue.

  • @rajeshhariharan7575
    @rajeshhariharan7575 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:45 ... isn't that a typo? Gen Thimmya was sharing the info with his neighbor - right?

  • @rupesh673
    @rupesh673 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will like to know just for theory if our military were in hands of Netaji's sena.... Shekhar sir if you can do an episode on it

  • @kalpeshsanghvi5901
    @kalpeshsanghvi5901 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last line I fully agree change name of Krishna Memon marg👍🏻

  • @omnibusltd.1340
    @omnibusltd.1340 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Do any one remember the video in whichshekhar sir talked about Smiling Buddha and how it came... The war between magadha and vajji?!

  • @madhubose123
    @madhubose123 ปีที่แล้ว

    The full show here at this link: th-cam.com/video/fkq-yi50bfs/w-d-xo.html

  • @poras1513
    @poras1513 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sir, you make videos of 30 minutes only, like you used to make earlier, in which you used to give your valuable comments on multiple topics... 🙏🏻🙏🏻

    • @ThePrintIndia
      @ThePrintIndia  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dear Poras,
      Thank you for your feedback.

  • @sanjayshekar9911
    @sanjayshekar9911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do not tarnish image of General Thimmaya. Whatever general might have allegedly shared with the British was known to everyone openly in Lutyens Delhi.

  • @sankalp6872
    @sankalp6872 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think they should make the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report public. It's a democracy. The public is entitled to such information even if it's embarrassing. It will help us reflect upon are failing and enforce ACCOUNTABILITY on public offices.

  • @gauravh4337
    @gauravh4337 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was it just seniority or his relationship with Nehru family. Pran thapar's wife and vijaylaxmi pandit's (Nehru's sister) son in law were siblings...

  • @rd3030
    @rd3030 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sir you forgot to mention that Gen Thapar was appointed Chief because he was related to Pt Nehru through his wife

  • @krishnamoorthygopalan583
    @krishnamoorthygopalan583 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SG is silent and soft on General Thapar who was shown up as an incompetent man. Maybe SG and his soft corner for Karan Thapar was the reason.

  • @oneworldoneworld7013
    @oneworldoneworld7013 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Menon was a disgrace. Nehru had delusions of grandeur re. China. India continues to suffer this debacle. The general talking to the BHC compromises security as the UK is selfish then as it is now. Governance was at failure. Has the Indian system learnt? A shameful period of India. China recognised this and played their card. This continues today.

    • @sreekantaniyer8744
      @sreekantaniyer8744 ปีที่แล้ว

      All the responsibility for 1962 debacle lies with our worst PM Nehru. His tean like Menon were equally pathetic. Govt never supported Army by providing necessary equipment and manpower. It is unfortunate we still celebrate Nehru. This guy was also responsible for Kashmir and NE problem. Stop supporting congress party and support Modi.

  • @Romain-kq4ge
    @Romain-kq4ge ปีที่แล้ว +5

    do think of a commentary on the kantara phenomenon and reasons behind this movie taking the country by strom..and the lesson populist politician can draw from the downfall of Lizz Truss are we also breeding likes of such in some states in India.

  • @anonymous-dn4xw
    @anonymous-dn4xw ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, it is our request to u to do a cut the clutter on Netaji Subhash chander Bose and mystery surrounding his death, the declassified files on Netaji life

  • @pramodkulkarni3747
    @pramodkulkarni3747 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Shankar bahi. We need this . What a mess Nehru and kabal.

  • @drap3872
    @drap3872 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, I agree with the name of Maj Saitan Singh.

  • @astert7123
    @astert7123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Correct krishmenon marg name should be changed

  • @aruna2034
    @aruna2034 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear why no show on Recent Congress president Mallikarjun Karge?

  • @FullHD-ng2mg
    @FullHD-ng2mg ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What about Nehru?
    Nehru considered China as friend and undermined threat from China. He tried to be friendly with China and it is claimed that he offered United Nations permanent seat which was initially offered to India.
    Also relied on incompetent Military Generals and Defence Personnel

    • @sujithkumar2041
      @sujithkumar2041 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know a PM who visited 🇨🇳 most number of times than any other PM, been the guest of Chinese Prez more than any other PM. Got on to swing with him. Still he ended up being his 21 soldiers killed by 🇨🇳 and took away a chunk of his territory. He still denies anything happened. No prize for guessing 😅

    • @FullHD-ng2mg
      @FullHD-ng2mg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sujithkumar2041
      120000 sq kilometres were lost to China
      Then Prime Minister said in the parliament - Not a blade of grass grows there

    • @Aashutosh_Payaal28
      @Aashutosh_Payaal28 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@FullHD-ng2mgthe statement that you have quoted here was said on 5 December 1961. Also the context was different. So Nehru did not use it as excuse

    • @FullHD-ng2mg
      @FullHD-ng2mg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sujithkumar2041 Nehru wanted to be friends with China and Nehru refused to have. Military for India
      His Philosophy was to please China so that he acknowledged Tibet Deal with China in a hope that China will never attack China
      As gesture of friendship he offered UN seat to China which was initially offered to India by Americans

  • @MrPraveensagar
    @MrPraveensagar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When we lose war, we blame PM, when we win war, we credit to Generals....1962 & 1971, Nehru & Indira Gandhi, Sam manekshaw

  • @gowrishankarramarao4083
    @gowrishankarramarao4083 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about Guilty Men of 2020-2022?

  • @user-jc1yz4qn2z
    @user-jc1yz4qn2z ปีที่แล้ว +1

    War was lost in delhi not in aksai chin..

  • @ankurchaudhary3515
    @ankurchaudhary3515 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This defeat tells us , security of the country should be hold paramount over anything, even cult leadership. Nehru was a good intellectual activist but not a cunning leader who can make shit done .. whether on economic front , city planning , educational institutions, R&D and military. This country failed in all aspects since 70 years of Leftist-Congress alliance.

  • @agonnoga6100
    @agonnoga6100 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If Thimayya indeed said Indian Army cannot protect India from China then he is not only the worst chief of Army but also the most incompetent.
    The British left behind a massive Army which was primarily used to subjugate the natives and fight colonial wars. In 2nd world war, British India Army was the largest all volunteer Army.
    The Chinese didn't have an effective airforce in 1962 and the infrastructure to supply troops over the vast inhospitable Tibetan plateau were rudimentary at best. China could never win any long drawn battle with India purely for geographical reason. This is true even today with massive Chinese infrastructure across LAC.

    • @coffeehornet810
      @coffeehornet810 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes Indian army was strong however the logistical problems caused by changing equipment precurement from britain to soviets done by Krishna Menon had reduced our air power by a lot then there's also the fact that Menon had also caused havoc in the officer corps through his political appointment we won't be fighting at the seas. In 1962 chinese economy was almost equal to us but where we were spending less than >2% of our gdp on the military the chinese were spending upwards of 10% and Nehru Menon were not going to let the military fight by themselves not to mention unlike China we had to worry about pakistan we would essentially have the north east completely cut off and lose kashmir as well as parts of punjab. Of course in reality Pakistan never invaded but you still have to account for these things.

  • @2945antonio
    @2945antonio ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mr Gupta, this episode confirmed to me a long held suspicion I had about the High Command of the Indian Forces; imagine a General moonlighting for a newspaper, another sharing classified information with a British diplomat, a third bad mouthing his colleague, you name it, the perfidy of these individuals is mind boggling. That was in the 1960s, has it changed? I do not think so, the individuals at the helm of the Forces give me the impression of being careerists first and foremost and soldiers somewhere down the line. Otherwise, how can one explain a General suing the Government because of a dispute about his retirement age ? Or imagine my consternation when I was visiting India a few years ago and a school friend of mine telling me that two young men from the North of India had come to his shop asking for a job as watchmen; he did not have one, but, seeing they were really fit, asked them why did they not join the Forces. With a wry smile they said - Sahib, it takes a baksheesh to get accepted (they mentioned the equivalent of over a year's salary, an amount I forget now)!. I could not believe it. Imagine the impact of this on the morale! of the Jawans! If this is the prevailing culture, it certainly does not stop there rather, it is reflective of a profound malaise that is gnawing at the entrails of the organization at multiple levels ; and that clubby culture you mention, it is well and truly very much alive, i venture. It pains me to say this. I hear - Oh, now we are better equipped, etc, etc! It is a fallacy Morale MUST come first, materiel ,training and the rest, follows. Thank You.

  • @Abhishek-ti5er
    @Abhishek-ti5er 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ❤❤❤

  • @amitpatil3702
    @amitpatil3702 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In all this explanation you underestimated great contribution of Mr.Y.B. CHAVHAN
    I SIMPLY FEEL THAT

  • @rajput2736
    @rajput2736 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1962 is the war of humiliation...every Indian want to forget....

    • @ktheeagle5742
      @ktheeagle5742 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      See despite the fact that it was humiliating defeat, we should never forget it. Instead should always try to learn from every single mistakes and also missed opportunities. Defeat is the ultimate lesson to learn from. Also we should not forget this war like others is because many soldiers died fighting bravely.

    • @hanfucolorful9656
      @hanfucolorful9656 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ktheeagle5742 The lesson is 【mess up with Russia is dangerous, mess up with China is fatal】😇, time to turn the page my friend, BYD - SUV already arrived in India last week, will have a hot sale, just like the Chinese phones, let's work together to push the BMW and TOYOTA out of the market.

    • @bindruk4321
      @bindruk4321 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hanfucolorful9656 We already messed with you about 4 times after 1962 , each time since you have run like bunnies when you saw a well prepared army. Better hope we don't go into Tibet . When that happens like in the Boxer wars , your country will be permanently broken into little pieces

  • @aktale
    @aktale ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hearing this, it makes me realize how much GODs Hand was there in shaping India. One slight step here or there and we would have had a very different past.

  • @speedbird109
    @speedbird109 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a bloody mess. Can we have a CTC on how Y B Chouhan restored the army

  • @curiouskid1547
    @curiouskid1547 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please touch upon the subject of non holding of assembly elections in J&K. It should have happened at this time

  • @kavyal1190
    @kavyal1190 ปีที่แล้ว

    You remind me some one from " THE WIRE" ?

  • @jagdishramanathan2091
    @jagdishramanathan2091 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    in my opinion when Krishna Menon was high commisioner of India in London Chinese ladies were frequently photographed with him . Could it have been a honey trap because after he left London he had become India born china foreign minister .he was a bachelor just like his father as one Indian army general stated .

  • @dineshkumarbharadwaj8036
    @dineshkumarbharadwaj8036 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    🤨 this means colonial slavery continued in defence ? 🕰️ for 🇮🇳 to come out of this black spot…

  • @kalpeshsanghvi5901
    @kalpeshsanghvi5901 ปีที่แล้ว

    @SG 9:00 India got indipendent country in 1947 & you are saying even in 1960-62 president & Supreme commander of our force had no idea about who had what power ?
    Was it a joke or serious statement?

  • @tapemaj
    @tapemaj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an abridged version from an episode in 2020 !!
    Wondering why today ?
    Is it because here in London - British politics is in absolute meltdown 😅😅😅.

    • @revathimyathari6126
      @revathimyathari6126 ปีที่แล้ว

      oct 21st police commemoration day, 10 crpf personnel lost lives in 1959.

    • @tapemaj
      @tapemaj ปีที่แล้ว

      @@revathimyathari6126 Hey Bhagwaan.. who remembers this day ?
      And why Indo - China 🇨🇳 clashes ?
      Utterly confused

  • @ratnajothinavaratnamtknr9471
    @ratnajothinavaratnamtknr9471 ปีที่แล้ว

    TKNR.THANKS FOR THE EXPOSURE.THE BIG MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE BY MR. NEHRU THE WHOLE BHARAT INDIA IS FACING NOW TO UPLIFTING AS THE NUMBER ONE PEACEFUL ADVANCED NATION.

  • @vijaypatil-mv6ke
    @vijaypatil-mv6ke ปีที่แล้ว +3

    P. N.Thapar was a coward.

  • @BharatThatIsIndia
    @BharatThatIsIndia ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kaul was a shame on the legacy of the Indian Army

  • @emge02
    @emge02 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very lucid and clear. I still feel Maneckshaw did not deserve to be the chief and he won the war on the back of Lt Gen JS Aurora. Also, you should have highlighted that Thimayya became chief after superseding Two Sikh generals. This is important and shows a subtle undercurrent against Sikhs at that time. Otherwise well done.

  • @Drganguli
    @Drganguli ปีที่แล้ว

    Decolonisation of the Indian mind is an ongoing process but in 1962 it had not yet begun!

  • @SajidKhan-mf8ts
    @SajidKhan-mf8ts ปีที่แล้ว

    The Indian Express : 8 former Indian Navy officers, working for Qatar company, being held in Doha
    The former Navy officers worked for a company called Dahra Global Technologies and Consultancy Services, The Indian Express has learnt. ( lets see what Mr. Shekhar Gupta has to say...... dont forget another indian naval officer Kalbhoshan in Pakistan prison )

  • @myultracrepidarianism
    @myultracrepidarianism ปีที่แล้ว

    These ads are unfair. I am paying for youtube. Either you have a subscription-like newslaundry or take the youtube ads. This is unacceptable.

  • @mathsforallgeneration
    @mathsforallgeneration ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All people chosen by Nehru for top posts like Krishna Menon as defence minister or PC Mahbolonis as economic advisor were great idiots and ruined India both in terms of defence and economics

  • @wrathin100
    @wrathin100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. S. Gupta has completely overlooked the rumour of Krishnamenons liasson with a Soviet Union secretary who had informed him that Chou enlai would attack India but Menon chose to keep this fact from the cabinet and even Nehru. Menon knew of, from his lover from the Soviet union high commission a secretary in Britain when Menon himself was the high commissioner from india to Britain, these are rumours from that time, some saw the light of day in the papers but the rest was suppressed. But as per allegations menon knew of the chinese attack at least 6 to 8 months before it took place but did not report back to his masters in Delhi. As stated these are allegations never delved into. S. Gupta as a serious journalist can do so or should do so.

  • @msingh683
    @msingh683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    clearly PN thappar responsible for Military misfortune in 1962 war.

  • @dhananjaymetangley8365
    @dhananjaymetangley8365 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was great failure of Nehru and Menon they didn't allow Airforce to fly and do the job, China was poorer than us, they didn't have Airforce like ours.
    It's Nehru the Last British Prime Minister ruled the Nation.
    Most Undeserving Man

  • @amarnathsingh4467
    @amarnathsingh4467 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why you spared Lt. Gen. BM Kaul while going in detail. After all he was the main villain.

  • @user-gd7gh9ro7p
    @user-gd7gh9ro7p ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First culprit was army (its there job to fight), second culprit was political leadership mainly Nehru.
    His greed for becoming world leaders over hard power.

  • @rahulbad0734
    @rahulbad0734 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maqbool Sherwani, man who got us Srinagar.

  • @atuldeshmukh4471
    @atuldeshmukh4471 ปีที่แล้ว

    All three together

  • @prasantkumar7254
    @prasantkumar7254 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are ohh coupta.... tek fog pe vi ek cut the clutter ho jaye....