jr, if you see this.. i just want to thank you for all the countless great memories you’ve given all of us throughout the years. you & the 👑 were the voice of my childhood! ❤️
Sir, I couldnt have said that better, or agree more!! Such a feeling of warmth and comfort the instant I hear that amazing voice!!! Thank You for all you do!!!
I love Jim Ross and Conrad. If either of you see this, I truly appreciate your content. I am glad your health has improved Mr. Jim Ross. I'm excited for what all you gentlemen have coming for us in 2025. God Bless!
Vince didn't take anyone serious until he absolutely had to. Vince didn't even truly take Edge seriously, other than put a belt on him bc he's great at being a mouthy pain in the ass. I think Christian was in Edge's shadow just because that's who he came up with. I think Edge was the more persistent one and advocated for himself better. In those days, reserved , composed serious personalities didn't get as far as the more extroverted narcissists, unless you were a legendary badass.
It's been well documented that Edge was seen as potential main eventer from the moment he was hired. Gangrel has said the Brood was just there to get Edge over and that his job going into it was to coach those guys and to get Edge over. I personally always thought Christian was more talented.
Happy to see Bookerdust given their flowers. Though it was short lived thats my #2 favorite WWF tag team of all time behind Demolition and my favorite work of Booker's career. Would love a full episode focused on those two.
Christian Cage is one of the best heels ever! He's magic in the ring and golden on the mic! Hope he gets a huge run as AEW World Champion! This man deserves to finally get his flowers in the biggest way possible! A true living legend.
Christian Cage is one of the all-time greats in my book. He's literally a 10/10 both in the ring and on the mic. He was held back for years by Vince and he was forced to stay retired for 7 years yet here he is all those years later shining and doing what he does best! I hope he gets a massive push in AEW. He deserves much more credit than he gets. I'd love to see Christian Cage main events All In as the AEW World Champion!
Christian is my all time favorite wrestler. Glad he’s getting the flowers he deserves for an incredible career 🙏🏾💐 JR thank u for being a HUGE part of my childhood. You were just as important to us as the wrestlers. Thank you Legend 🙏🏾💐
I think that Vince and Christian Cage snub when he came back.. was just a backhanded way of saying "He's back, but don't have him leave that way again. Let's punish him for doing it before and see where it goes."
So the story back then was, Christian was supposed to return to Smackdown and win the title from Jeff Hardy (then champion), which would have set up his feud with Edge. This was his agreement with Vince when he (verbally) agreed his contract with WWE. However, Christian was a true professional and was a close friend of Dixie Carter, so he wanted to exit TNA properly by putting over the Main Event Mafia and by passing on the torch. Hence during his last TNA appearance Christian took an Angle slam and a scissor kick. Vince apparently was not happy with that, as he didn't want to feature a guy who got beaten up in a rival promotion to be feuding for the top title. Thus, Vince reportedly himself leaked the storyline of Christian being the "mysterious attacker", and he used the same excuse to cancel the storyline altogether and moved Christian to ECW. However, there are two versions of this story as recently Matt Hardy in his podcast revealed that he was always supposed to be the "mysterious attacker". I suppose the true identity of the mysterious attacker will truly remain mysterious.
CHRISTIAN isn't intimidating. He's a good looking guy. He's smarky. Had Christian turned heel to become CHARISMA CAGE and have a HBK 1992 like run. Christian Cage should have beaten Brian Cage for FTW CHAMPIONSHIP to not only claim the championship but exclusive rights to CAGE. FACE THE WORLD CHARISMA CAGE FTW
Talent wise, Christian Cage is one of the best ever. In terms of ability he was just as good as Edge if not better. It's just that Vince was a clown about it and chose to hold him back over and over again.
Edge should help christian win the title when he returns then they can build i real.fued for once with edge and christian which eventually them splitting again then having one big last rivalry. At this point this is the best storyline aew can put together for casual aew watchers. They have to put ex wwe guys as the top guys now it's the only way there gonna gain viewers
Mr. Ross your former partner at the announce table , Mr. Lawler of thirty years going to live wrestling whether it was Crenshaw,MS or Memphis,he was always there, super reliable
I haven't really watched wrestling since the attitude era I mean I loosely watched the ruthless aggression era but I got bored with it and to see a old skinny Jim Ross is crazy, to see a baldhead hhh is even crazier nonetheless there will never be another attitude era that era is so legendary that anybody that had a name should in that era should qualify for Hof the era itself is Hof
Would love to listen to the show on Audible but I don't think it's on there. Is it possible to map it to that as well as TH-cam? Thanks. Big fan of the show.
Dude what if Christian comes out ..says he's been talking to a friend they have forgiven each other and he uses his title shot contract for a tag title shot with edge ..I mean adam ...there is a story there ..needs to be played out better than what I said , but damn it will work and fans who know will be happy..then they can do a run as aew world tag team champions ..
He buried him so much that he won almost every title in the promotion and was featured on almost every pay per view. This is a stupid take that he was buried.
2005 was where this perception was concretely cemented in WWE. Early that year, Christian had organically ascended into main-event status and was in WWE Title contention...but as quickly as his rise happened, Vince McMahon just as quickly brushed him aside into the mid-card and straight out of the company for nearly 4 years.
There was a triple threat match with him, Jericho and Cena that year for the WWE title and the crowd showed a lot of love for Christian. I think they could have pulled the trigger then. He was over as a heel.
@@matthewjenkins7488 This 💯. Christian has since said that he felt disrespected by the addition of Chris Jericho into what was initially billed as a one-on-one WWE Title match between himself and John Cena, and that it was a sign that the company didn’t have enough faith in him to help establish Cena. Christian pointed to that moment as a key factor in his departure from WWE that year.
Conrad advertising workout or weight loss medications. What company thought him advertising that is a good idea? Yes he does good advertising & has a good voice for it. A natural salesman but him doing anything about weight loss or exercise? I guess just because you preach it doesn't mean you have to practice it 😅😅😅
I was never a fan of Christian. He was boring. His promos sucked and he just had a very annoying voice. I don’t really blame Vince McMahon for not really pushing him. He sucked. He was the exact opposite of edge… edge was the superstar anybody who was watching wrestling during that time would know no need to explain how good edge was Christian on the other hand, he fucking sucked and Vince McMahon knew it
Don't feel Christian was buried per say, so can't agree with that. Christian was in the middle of the card while the roster was stacked with Rock and Austin, et cetera. Let's not forget he was IC Champion and had a high-profile match at Unforgiven 2001. When the roster depleted, Christian got his as chance as World Champ.
Exactly, in order for Christian to get moved up, another star has to drop down. And with the talent you mentioned at the top he could only get so far. But he did have title reigns, he just wasn't as over as Edge. Christian made money and had/has a good career.
He was just as talented if not more talented than most of these guys. It was his time to level up in 04/05 when both Rock and Austin were gone. He was so over and he was selling massive numbers of merch despite being a heel. Yet they jumped him in the order and started pushing new green guys that were nowhere near as mature as him while pushing him further down the card until he left. If Vince wasn't a moron he would've at least allowed Christian to have a proper 1 on 1 program vs Cena at Vengeance 2005 instead of adding Jericho to it and burying Christian again. He even got burried returning to WWE after his awesome TNA being put on the C show! Even at 2011 when they finally gave him a major main event program for the World Title they made him lose again and again. Christian deserved much more in WWE.L but it's not about how good you are. It's more about how much the bosses like you and both Vince and big nose Paul never liked Christian that much.
jr, if you see this.. i just want to thank you for all the countless great memories you’ve given all of us throughout the years. you & the 👑 were the voice of my childhood! ❤️
Yes I'm saying it and I can't believe what I just seen 0:00
Sir, I couldnt have said that better, or agree more!! Such a feeling of warmth and comfort the instant I hear that amazing voice!!! Thank You for all you do!!!
Cringe
Some lady told him she likes his JR BBQ sauce and he told her to mouth hug him 😂
💯💯💯💪🏿👏🏿
1:23:39 That was one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard on this podcast. The moment JR said, “I’m sorry, Conrad,” had me laughing so hard.😂😂😂
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TH-cam hero you are
Love you
Bless you my brotha
Legend. Not all heroes wear capes.
I love Jim Ross and Conrad. If either of you see this, I truly appreciate your content. I am glad your health has improved Mr. Jim Ross. I'm excited for what all you gentlemen have coming for us in 2025.
God Bless!
Vince didn't take anyone serious until he absolutely had to. Vince didn't even truly take Edge seriously, other than put a belt on him bc he's great at being a mouthy pain in the ass. I think Christian was in Edge's shadow just because that's who he came up with. I think Edge was the more persistent one and advocated for himself better. In those days, reserved , composed serious personalities didn't get as far as the more extroverted narcissists, unless you were a legendary badass.
Very true.
It's been well documented that Edge was seen as potential main eventer from the moment he was hired. Gangrel has said the Brood was just there to get Edge over and that his job going into it was to coach those guys and to get Edge over. I personally always thought Christian was more talented.
Happy to see Bookerdust given their flowers. Though it was short lived thats my #2 favorite WWF tag team of all time behind Demolition and my favorite work of Booker's career. Would love a full episode focused on those two.
Christian Cage is one of the best heels ever! He's magic in the ring and golden on the mic! Hope he gets a huge run as AEW World Champion! This man deserves to finally get his flowers in the biggest way possible! A true living legend.
CAN'T WAIT to see Queen of the Ring!!!! ❤❤ Glad you're feeling better, JR!
Christian Cage is one of the all-time greats in my book. He's literally a 10/10 both in the ring and on the mic. He was held back for years by Vince and he was forced to stay retired for 7 years yet here he is all those years later shining and doing what he does best! I hope he gets a massive push in AEW. He deserves much more credit than he gets. I'd love to see Christian Cage main events All In as the AEW World Champion!
conrad, that was “the hurricane” who was the tag team champion with kane!
Christian is my all time favorite wrestler. Glad he’s getting the flowers he deserves for an incredible career 🙏🏾💐 JR thank u for being a HUGE part of my childhood. You were just as important to us as the wrestlers. Thank you Legend 🙏🏾💐
I think that Vince and Christian Cage snub when he came back.. was just a backhanded way of saying "He's back, but don't have him leave that way again. Let's punish him for doing it before and see where it goes."
So the story back then was, Christian was supposed to return to Smackdown and win the title from Jeff Hardy (then champion), which would have set up his feud with Edge. This was his agreement with Vince when he (verbally) agreed his contract with WWE. However, Christian was a true professional and was a close friend of Dixie Carter, so he wanted to exit TNA properly by putting over the Main Event Mafia and by passing on the torch. Hence during his last TNA appearance Christian took an Angle slam and a scissor kick.
Vince apparently was not happy with that, as he didn't want to feature a guy who got beaten up in a rival promotion to be feuding for the top title. Thus, Vince reportedly himself leaked the storyline of Christian being the "mysterious attacker", and he used the same excuse to cancel the storyline altogether and moved Christian to ECW.
However, there are two versions of this story as recently Matt Hardy in his podcast revealed that he was always supposed to be the "mysterious attacker". I suppose the true identity of the mysterious attacker will truly remain mysterious.
I know one thing JR got it right, nobody wants to hear sad stories , everybody's got one.somebody tell Bret Hart
Bret working everyone with the whiney gimmick
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Conrad: “… for whatever reason Vince just not being a “Christian” guy…”
Church Folk: “Oh, yeah… you could say that.”
JR ❤ w/the Jordan cement print top🔥
CHRISTIAN isn't intimidating. He's a good looking guy. He's smarky. Had Christian turned heel to become CHARISMA CAGE and have a HBK 1992 like run.
Christian Cage should have beaten Brian Cage for FTW CHAMPIONSHIP to not only claim the championship but exclusive rights to CAGE.
FACE THE WORLD
CHARISMA CAGE
FTW
Talent wise, Christian Cage is one of the best ever. In terms of ability he was just as good as Edge if not better. It's just that Vince was a clown about it and chose to hold him back over and over again.
Christian proved you wrong, Vince.
Edge should help christian win the title when he returns then they can build i real.fued for once with edge and christian which eventually them splitting again then having one big last rivalry. At this point this is the best storyline aew can put together for casual aew watchers. They have to put ex wwe guys as the top guys now it's the only way there gonna gain viewers
Christian was the only one that made original Sin Cara look good. That alone is hof worthy
Hell ...The Razorbacks had 23 players leaving in the Transfer Portal...We are screwed...
Merry Christmas both good gentlemen love of Jesus and strength of healing from God to Mr. Ross
Just starting now.. the triple threat with Cena and Jericho was the do or die and Vince said die
God bless you Mr. Ross, may God's healing be upon you and the Christmas
Joy of Jesus all to you and Conrad
Mr. Ross your former partner at the announce table , Mr. Lawler of thirty years going to live wrestling whether it was Crenshaw,MS or Memphis,he was always there, super reliable
Keep up the content!
17:10 stepping out of the shadows of Sting???
I was thinking the same thing
I haven't really watched wrestling since the attitude era I mean I loosely watched the ruthless aggression era but I got bored with it and to see a old skinny Jim Ross is crazy, to see a baldhead hhh is even crazier nonetheless there will never be another attitude era that era is so legendary that anybody that had a name should in that era should qualify for Hof the era itself is Hof
stand back, there's a undertaker coming through
Would love to listen to the show on Audible but I don't think it's on there. Is it possible to map it to that as well as TH-cam? Thanks. Big fan of the show.
Dude what if Christian comes out ..says he's been talking to a friend they have forgiven each other and he uses his title shot contract for a tag title shot with edge ..I mean adam ...there is a story there ..needs to be played out better than what I said , but damn it will work and fans who know will be happy..then they can do a run as aew world tag team champions ..
But they'd be doing a run in AEW, they're going bye in 1 1/2 years
He buried him so much that he won almost every title in the promotion and was featured on almost every pay per view. This is a stupid take that he was buried.
hey tubby tubby Conrad
stop smoking if you want better healing
2005 was where this perception was concretely cemented in WWE. Early that year, Christian had organically ascended into main-event status and was in WWE Title contention...but as quickly as his rise happened, Vince McMahon just as quickly brushed him aside into the mid-card and straight out of the company for nearly 4 years.
There was a triple threat match with him, Jericho and Cena that year for the WWE title and the crowd showed a lot of love for Christian. I think they could have pulled the trigger then. He was over as a heel.
@@matthewjenkins7488 This 💯. Christian has since said that he felt disrespected by the addition of Chris Jericho into what was initially billed as a one-on-one WWE Title match between himself and John Cena, and that it was a sign that the company didn’t have enough faith in him to help establish Cena. Christian pointed to that moment as a key factor in his departure from WWE that year.
Valentine 🔨 and Beefcake were champs totally different. Valentine was great Beefcake sucked. Valentine was in the ring 85 percent of the time.
So fake nepotism in fake performance
Edge was the reason that Cristian over once there tag team was broke up Cristian was done for.
Conrad advertising workout or weight loss medications. What company thought him advertising that is a good idea? Yes he does good advertising & has a good voice for it. A natural salesman but him doing anything about weight loss or exercise? I guess just because you preach it doesn't mean you have to practice it 😅😅😅
I was never a fan of Christian. He was boring. His promos sucked and he just had a very annoying voice. I don’t really blame Vince McMahon for not really pushing him. He sucked. He was the exact opposite of edge… edge was the superstar anybody who was watching wrestling during that time would know no need to explain how good edge was
Christian on the other hand, he fucking sucked and Vince McMahon knew it
Nice bait. Troll
Don't feel Christian was buried per say, so can't agree with that. Christian was in the middle of the card while the roster was stacked with Rock and Austin, et cetera. Let's not forget he was IC Champion and had a high-profile match at Unforgiven 2001. When the roster depleted, Christian got his as chance as World Champ.
Exactly, in order for Christian to get moved up, another star has to drop down. And with the talent you mentioned at the top he could only get so far. But he did have title reigns, he just wasn't as over as Edge. Christian made money and had/has a good career.
He was just as talented if not more talented than most of these guys. It was his time to level up in 04/05 when both Rock and Austin were gone. He was so over and he was selling massive numbers of merch despite being a heel. Yet they jumped him in the order and started pushing new green guys that were nowhere near as mature as him while pushing him further down the card until he left. If Vince wasn't a moron he would've at least allowed Christian to have a proper 1 on 1 program vs Cena at Vengeance 2005 instead of adding Jericho to it and burying Christian again. He even got burried returning to WWE after his awesome TNA being put on the C show! Even at 2011 when they finally gave him a major main event program for the World Title they made him lose again and again. Christian deserved much more in WWE.L but it's not about how good you are. It's more about how much the bosses like you and both Vince and big nose Paul never liked Christian that much.
@@alaooooy7 Christian did a highlight reel segment with the Rock sometime in 2003 or 04 and I remember he was more over than the Rock.