British Paratroopers on Comrades Who Refuse to Jump | Brigadier Farrar-Hockley Speaks | June 1966
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- June 1966.
Footage of soldiers of the 16th Parachute Brigade of the British Army speaking about colleagues who refuse to jump.
The Brigade commander, Brigadier Anthony Farrar-Hockley speaks of the deaths of paratroopers possibly being a factor in men refusing to jump and the difficulty of pinning down what it is that makes men refuse to jump.
Credit: ITN News via Google Images.
Note:
Anthony Farrar-Hockley fought in a series of key military engagements from the time of his enlistment during World War II (it was orginally revoked because he joined the army when under-aged after running away from home) to the counter-insurgency operation in Aden. He also held several command posts including serving as Commander-in-Chief of NATO's Allied Forces Northern Europe.
He won the DSO when a Captain during the Korean War. He spent 2 years as a PoW during that war. He later added a Bar to his DSO for his role during the Aden crisis.
He retired with the rank of General in 1982 and died in 2006.
Known as "Farrar the Para", Farrar-Hockley was a noted military historian.
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Two other clips from the same ITN report.
Why Do Paratroopers "Jib" (Refuse To Jump)? | Brigadier Anthony Farrar-Hockley Interview | June 1966 th-cam.com/video/SOKWYiKerho/w-d-xo.html
Selecting British Army Paratroopers | Brigadier Farrar-Hockley Interview | Abingdon | June 1966 th-cam.com/video/wlw_2cNbUIM/w-d-xo.html
"Im not in a position to comment" this sentence needs to come back into fashion
SORELY
Honestly…
definitely.
Just what every politicians comment 😂
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“If they are, I ought to be sacked” what a morally upstanding thing to say
talk about taking responsability, 100% stating its all on his shoulders!
Thats an officer and leader who understands both his duty to the cause and his responsibility to his men.
yeah but I want to know if he ordered the code red
That was back before the phrase “passing the buck” was coined.
It was a different time, and I for one am sad to see it go.
The way they are so calm, thoughtful and non judgemental. Seems so different to people nowadays who are so quick to assume they know the full story and throw accusations.
Amen Sam, Amen.
Just because water is still doesn't mean that it is deep.
People just speak better then. I’ve seen it on interviews with pop stars, admin stars, soldiers etc
I honestly think you’re overstating the difference in people then and now.
For instance this same Regiment were responsible for massacres only 5 years later.
We have problems now that are different to the problems then, but the rose tinted glasses of looking at those that came before dilutes the people to simpler 1 dimensional characters
I would imagine these men behaved a lot differently amongst themselves, away from the camera. They are no different than the men currently serving.
Can we all take time to appriciate the remark from the officer. “ I’ve been in the para’s since ‘42….
Respect to you sir and thank you for service and sacrifice.
Takes some thing to tell Farra the Para about that
That's Farrar the Para. Legend in the Regiment. Fought with the Glosters at the Imjin River. His Son commanded a Company during the Battle of Goose Green.
Never respect service now we are living like this today and after afghanistan. I don't mean that horribly I mean remember the fallen but look what they died for
Living in the eu a land of empires waving goodbye to Angels merkel
I read Anthony Farrar-Hockley's account of his time fighting with the Glosters during the Korean War "The Edge of the Sword" and I can highly recommend it.
The genuinely most impressive thing about his remarks there is that he outright stated that if the brigade is causing people not to come forward, that's entirely on his shoulders.
Quite a leader who says “If they are, I oughta be sacked!”.
That is the very essence of good leadership-personal responsibility in communicating with those in your care.
Its also one of the main reasons armies where so much more effective back in the day, High ranks actually did get sacked if they did not preform. Today this is very rare.
A man with a spine a rare sight these days.
The way the very first soldier actually stops and fully considers his answer before giving it is almost a relic of the past now. People seem to be thinking of their response even as a question is being asked these days.
The internet ruined us. Everyone is "safe" behind their screens now.
I did 10 years in the Parachute Regiment (2 Para) and seen commensurate actions in that time of service. From what I can perceive the ones that came through unscathed were the ones who could switch off mentally at will to an indifferent state. Which of course is what the 'powers that be' seek for the makings of a Paratrooper. No fear - if you can accomplish this state then you are what the Parachute Regiment seek. Of course - you also require the fitness and intelligence that goes along with this selection. It's true the training regime is very hard and deliberately Spartan. It is also true that most Paras do have a serious apprehension when it comes to exiting through that door - but they contend with it - and go through the door as a matter of course. If I can ever pass on anything to anyone who is on the verge of bottling it - just think of the relief you get - because you certainly get that feeling the minute you exit that door. The feeling of being free in that buffeting slipstream - especially if you've got heavy equipment strapped to your body - is bliss (you've been standing in line in the aircraft with all this weight strapped to you - it's heavy - really heavy - then believe me - it simply floats away as soon as you depart from the aircraft). You've done it - now land and survive. There is only a certain type who will meet these criteria - hence the Parachute selection. If you think you have got it - GO FOR IT! (It forms the rest of you life - you will always be a Para).
Hi, I was in 3 Bn, and agree with your comments 100%. The attitude of “can do and F..k it” can get you through most things especially as your mates will make sure that you will never feel sorry for yourself. When I looked around at the blokes who got through Arnhem like Joe Grout and China Mallone I always thought that relatively we had it cushy. I saw a bit of death and destruction before joining so was better prepared for the hardship. Once a Para, always a Para! Harera
Andy ham (ex 1 BW ).
I agree with you, and wish to express my respect to all Battalions of the Parachute Regiment, I will never forget the bravery the Paras displayed in NI in late 80s. Of course inter regimental competitiveness will always matter as it does with me personally for BW,
God Bless all Paras. Respect of course where it is certainly due.
Andy Hamilton
"Switch off mentally at will to an indifferent state." Just described dissociation
Great comment respect to you.
Thank you both.
At first, I thought they were going to mock and talk awfully of their comrades i.e. as cowards. However, I'm pleased to see that I was proven wrong and love the way these men are non-judgemental. It must be a totally unnatural thing to jump out of a perfectly good aircraft and that amount of pressure must be pretty extreme for any person.
I will always remember our brigadier Farrar-Hockley - how he used to talk to us on the parade ground. We looked up to him and we felt we couldn't have had more of a hero for our Commander for the Parachute Regiment. Google what this guy went through and you'll get my drift.
I have added the short biographical note on Brigadier (later General) Farrar-Hockley which I put in the description box of the 2 other excerpts of the documentary I uploaded. He was apparently only caught by the enemy in Korea because he abided by the rule analogous to the naval one that a captain is the last to abandon ship.
Hi Peter, I served in C Coy and was proud to serve under him. Farra the Para was the only CO in my 20 year service in three different armies that knew the name of everyone one of his soldiers. #respect, Farra the Para’s green eyed boys!! Harera...
@@pierevojzola9737 yes i served with farra the para in the late 60s decent bloke.
Yea a remarkable man. Having the greatest generation as ones role models is a marvellous but intimidating thing
He presented me with my beret in aldershot
When British airborne forces were forming in WW2, most of the training jumps were done from static balloons. 800 ft. up and you were required to drop yourself through an open hatch in the bottom of the basket. Complete silence apart from the wind and the creaking of the basket. People said that was far, far more testing than static line jumps out of a plane. And, people really did get killed or greviously injured jumping back then.
To be honest with you, that makes my hands sweat just thinking about it. I recall watching a documentary in the early 80s on the training of Parachute Regiment recruits. They were jumping from a static balloon then. I recall their being given two or three chances and anymore and they were failed. Psychologically it seemed a much bigger hurdle than jumping out of an aeroplane and being in a queue of others jumping out in quick succession. Of course that's some hurdle in itself.
I found balloon jumps nothing but fun. You can't make a bad exit. My first jump there was a PSI in the cage doing a jump for fun and he went to the front of the cage and said "Cheerio" to the guy in charge as he stepped out. For days people had been shoutiing "GO" at us and I was impressed by this. I walked to the front , he shouted "GO and I stepped out. It has until now, been a matter of secret pride to me that, on my second jump, I said "Cheerio" and stepped out without the "GO".
As someone who’s jumped out of planes and also jumped out of bridges in cliffs, I can tell you that jumping out of a moving plane is a lot scarier but I guess you’re entitled to your opinion…
I was offered, and this is not a word of a lie, I swear on my late father’s honour (he was there and he saw this), to be taken up in a static balloon on the town moor in Newcastle and jump out with the paras that were training there when I was about eight or nine years old. Now my father turned to me and said I could do it if I wanted, but I refused and to this day, I cannot help but wonder what would have actually happened if I’d said yes. I will never know.
It says much for the quality of these men that they refuse to be rude about their comrades, no matter how much the journalist eggs them on. They show empathy and don't put others down. They've no need to boast, they just quietly and calmly carry their balls in wheelbarrows. An excellent bit of footage.
If only we saw more leadership like the officer at the end - where the responsibility was taken upon oneself
My pal was a para. He said, believe me you can't wait to get out of the plane. Low level for two hours, you're bursting for a pish (or worse), people have been sick, you've a huge container hanging off you. "Let me out" is - apparently - the mood.
Many years ago when I was a lad I went to No1 Parachute Training school. Its motto was "Knowledge dispels fear". As the bus took us out to the balloon for our first jump a voice came from the back of the bus. "Knowledge dispels f*ck all". He refused to jump and they sent him home pronto. I really enjoyed every jump and I had a great time. I'm 77 now but I would do a jump now if I could.
Ironically my biggest fear was not the actual jump, but the fear of 'not jumping'. This fear of letting everyone down, or being seen by others and indeed, myself, as a coward or 'not having the bottle or courage' to do it. That's what drove me out the door.
Isn't that the reason we all did what we did, they can spin it how they like in films etc but it was the fear of letting those around you down that was the real driving force
That was a very common feeling with soldiers in WW1.
Easy to say when you were never actually a paratrooper and you're just a kid in the TH-cam comments section...
Jeez, the amount of people here who try to pass of as ex-paras here is enough to fill up and entire WW2 parachute division.
Agreed, arguably the braver person is the one who actually refused !! I couldnt do it. Youve passed P coy, got your wings, eat and breathe the para mentality. Synthetic training, RV drills, draw and fit etc etc. 2 hrs low level before every jump after getting pissed in the NAAFI at South Cerney the night before..... Let me out of this fucking thing.....
Any soldier that jumps, doesn’t jump, finishes or doesn’t finish training, is or isn’t deployed. They all deserve respect
They don't talk bad about eachother. Sign of a good leader.
I never worry about my chute not opening, I worry about am I going to have a nasty landing. This is why I love water jumps! LOL
Walking across two wet scoffold poles in DMS boots 30ft up kinda weeds out these people.
Pull up a sandbag - here's a (true) story. In May1971 I was a lowly Sapper guarding the house of the CLF NI in the grounds of Thiepval Barracks, Lisburn. I'd just finished my sneaky smoke when two men arrived at the end of the drive. The younger one saluted the Maj Gen (his father) and went off to the Officers' Mess. The CLF was Maj Gen Sir Anthony Farrar-Hockley. I challenged him and he stopped and chatted. He said he had lost a friend on the Springfield Road that day. The friend was Sgt Michael Willetts. Farrar-Hockley was very easy to talk to, even though he was a hndred ranks above me. Nice bloke. Waffle over, carry on.
Wow, you saw the troubles in the 70’s. If I’m not mistaken, those were the most intense years of the Conflict. I’m glad you were willing to share one of your stories.
Now there is a place I remember. Father was Int Corps on long tours, so I spent two years in the early 80's at Thiepval as a kid. Not a good place to spend part of ones childhood! Attended Friends Grammar, and it felt like everyone knew even though I gave the prepared lie that dad was a mainland contractor working in Lisburn. Probably the accent gave it away as I had a classic Army Brats accent at the time. Not a good time, was old enough to know the risks but too young to really do anything about it.
Did bloody Sunday make you proud ? Cowards
@@KarlPHorse Early 80s were very hairy but I couldn't fit it in - I finished my 10 years in 1979. Went straight back over there and did 2 years as a Prison Officer at HMP Maze Cellular (H Blocks). Brendan Hughes on the first hunger strike was great to talk to. I told him not to die on me while I was on duty in the hospital wing because I wanted his Christmas dinner (better than our canteen). His words were something like; "Don't you be worrying yourself mister, I'll not be dying in here."
If there was no pressure to jump half the drop would refuse, you don't want to jump but letting everyone down and bottling it then being kicked out of a job you suffered months of evil depot shit to get into makes you swallow your fears and just get it over and done with, once you're out the door and see a good canopy it's a great feeling anyway.
I doubt that, having served in 2 Para, we got through a very intensive training course, not just the mental and physical arduity, but a very comprehensive Parachute course at RAF Abingdon (1970). The moto of the parachute training centre, Knowledge Dispels fear explains that. The men in the Parachute Regiment, are there because they want to be there with all it entails, so to say half would refuse if there was no pressure is an absurd comment, you have no idea of the type of men who join Pass P Company and then go on to be rather good at what they do. Or put it another way, would you say that sky divers are under pressure to jump? Being under pressure is what we do, we do not feel comfortable unless we are surrounded!
hmm, so why would you join paratroopers then? The hint is in the name.
Alot of people that are airborne enjoy jumping....
please use punctuation for the love of god.
As a former paratrooper myself, I never regarded myself more courageous than other soldiers and I certainly didn't view other troopers that couldn't step out of that door as cowards. It's not a natural thing to jump out of a perfectly working airplane and some people are simply not made for that. Same applies to working in great heights. Some people can do it or get used to it, some people will never be able to do it and I don't think that has a whole lot to do with bravery.
I have never jumped out of a perfectly good aircraft, I could not, but I am a diver, Trimix and Advanced trimix, and have dived down to 200 metres.
Things can go seriously wrong down there very quickly, and again, its not one of those things just anyone can do. Some people as you say can get used to it, but others will never really get over their fear of the black that lies below. Does not make them cowards, after all, its not a natural thing to dive so deep that should anything go wrong on the bottom your chances of getting to the surface unscathed are slim....
I didn’t want to jump on my second drop, thankfully I was ‘“assisted” out the door. Screaming as I went !
During the jump tower day, I was assisted out of the tower. Never had any issues in the planes I jumped from. I preferred walking out the back ramp then going out the side doors to be honest.
I served in this brigade as a Combat medic, and I have followed 2 and 3 Para around the world. I'm yet to see anyone refuse to jump. However, I have seen a few catastrophic jumps. Broken bones and concussions are faily frequent in every training jump. We did train with the American 82nd Airborne at North Carolina, and I heard one of the American paratroopers lost his life during a night jump with us.
My Dad was going to join the Para's but decided to join the Royal Artillery insteadback in 1950. Many years after he did 23 years, he told me that the reason he changed his mind was because of what he saw - The result of a failed parachute - legs & shoulders if you get my drift.
Elite troops all have this quiet confidence that requires no bluster. They possess this steely aura of competence and lethality. Glad British Paras are on our side!
They aren't on mine considering how they acted around here
@@klyk69 Irish I take it?
@@carterjones8126 British paras in Ireland? Judging by his name, he's probably not from Europe.
@@klyk69 one Sunday?
@@klyk69 where are you from?
on my jumps course four of mates had never been on a plane before we done 9 jumps over 10days got our wings and they went back up to glasgow having been on 9 planes but never landed on one
Haha I had a guy in my unit who never landed in a plane. Good ol’ boy from the Appalachian mountains.
The General who takes that much responsibility should be a leader.
During my training a lad from Scotland completed all his jumps during parachute training at Brize Norton, but a few weeks later on exercise final fling he refused. The rest of the recruit platoon jumped into the exercise and we never saw the refused again. I believed he opted to serve in a line infantry regiment. In all reality if jumping into an exercise ladened full of kit and equipment especially after a long flight I was alway glad to jump out. I once had the disco leg jumping out of the balloon and asked the RAF PJI (parachute jump instructor), to give me a nudge. I wouldn’t change it for the world.
gday mate, was wondering if you could clarify what 'disco leg' is? never heard the term, I presume its some sort of slang for maybe like trembling legs you can't control? idk, am curious (:
you ever combat jump?
My uncle was airborne during Vietnam and he said he only had one guy refuse, an officer at the end of the line who had an unknown ear infection and was in great pain once they got to altitude. He also said there were many more that considered it, but only the one at the end was able to overcome the peer pressure of the line moving forward. If you were in the middle or front of the line, you went. Simple as.
"I ought to be sacked" That's a really good way to view it, he's taking responsibility for the way he runs things both good and bad
I served 5 years in 2 REP with over 100 static line jumps under the belt and never seen anyone refuse to jump. it just was not allowed
I knew a para who said he was so frightened of flying that he was glad to jump to get out of the plane.
I don't think anyone who doesn't do this for a living has any business commenting on what it feels like.
absolutely no one has any right to question someones heart or why they do or don't do something .. people judge other peoples fears way too often
The respect they have back then is mind blowing you dont see that in are day
"I say old chap, we do seem to be flying at an awfully high altitude, and the engines seem to be working without a problem. Would it be all right, do you think, if one were to return to one's seat, so to speak?"
😆😂
Frightfully sorry!
I respect these men in their resistance to being egged on by a reporter. On the otherhand within the ranks when going into battle if I was a soldier I would like to know everyone in my unit was ready to jump. Personally though I had a brother brother who loved to jump (101st Airborne) I would never jump out of a perfectly good airpane.
The death was clearly the cause of the few refusals. Losing a mate like that can have a bad affect on someone’s confidence particularly if you were there when it happened
its called brains
Cant agree.
I know a guy who missed the balloon jump and did all the rest.But he had to go back and do it.He couldn't he could jump out of every aircraft they put him in.But couldn't jump from the balloon.
Sounds like my mate we did he SAS(23) course passed no bother balloon jump was delayed did his Herc. Jumps went back to do our balloon jump and couldn’t do it he was gone in a jiffy😢
I talked to a Para Reg veteran who said the balloon jump was the worst because of the silence.
Easy to run out behind the rest, harder to deliberately contemplate it.
When he missed the balloon jump they should have ignored it especially when he made the aircraft jumps.
Definitely the Balloon is the worst! The silence and deliberateness of it all then the hundred foot dead drop before anything happens followed by less time than a gnats breath to do your checks before hitting the ground! Give me twenty guys up my back and a 120knot slipstream any day!
I was an Engineer in the RAF and took the opportunity, with a colleague, to go to a Joint Forces training camp to do sky diving, (3 static line jumps, 3 static line dummy pulls and one free fall).
After the course we joined the club and continued to do free falls at higher and higher altitudes, whilst also learning in-flight control maneuvers.
One day we were both in the club's Cessna, about to jump out, when he said, "I can't do this anymore". I jumped and he landed with the plane. We never discussed his decision or his reasons, we didn't need to. Only a person who has jumped would truly understand.
I completed my parachute jumps at Weston on the Green in 1971 the first two ballon jumps went well the next two C130 jumps went well the third one not too well, I had a bad landing and had heavy bruising to my lower back fortunately I had two days to mend. I was fortunate that my mates helped me on board for the next jump and the next ones to gain my wings...comrades.
surprisingly understanding and respectful
No judgement. Not cowardice. That’s true brotherhood.
Canadian riggers are outstanding and I never went out the door, or off the ramp apprehensive about my equipment. On occasion I did question the conditions but you go. Those who refuse should be removed from the unit not because you asses them a coward but really an operational safety hazard that can interfere with a stick. You can't have that.
When I was on course to earn my Canadian parachutist wings, my classmates and I were given the weekend off to celebrate finishing the ground school portion of our training, knowing our first jump would be on Monday. This was deliberate. We had all weekend to think.
One guy quietly withdrew from the course and never jumped. As far as I knew he suffered no repercussions from it --- he was a vehicle mechanic and was simply posted to another unit.
Once you're posted an airborne unit, however, you'll find there is a considerable amount of prejudice against anyone who won't jump. They're called "LEGS", airborne slang for "Lacking Enough Guts".
Real Men, demonstrating how to be a Man. There casual bravery is stunning!
Interviewer desperate to get one of them to call his colleagues cowards.
“I’m not in a position to comment “ should be the You Tube motto.
This is pushing 40 years ago, but even then parachute assaults were about as relevant as volley fire. You could argue that Crete was the last truly successful parachute battle and even then German casualties were enormous. With the advent of helicopters airborne assaults have forever changed.
60 years ago! 60!
Wrong. Sure, jumping into a hot zone is to be avoided, but an airborne assault using C17's can put an entire regiment on the ground in short order (with artillery and armored vehicles too). Putting that many troops down by helicopter would be much slower and require vastly more sorties. Additionally, parachute airborne (whether US or UK) can travel hundreds, even thousands, of miles quickly (with aerial refueling) and deploy a large infantry element almost anywhere in the world (deploying from Bragg) in 24 hours or less. Simply can't do that with helicopters. th-cam.com/video/R-2puqqmycM/w-d-xo.html
Crete wasn't nearly as successful as Varsity in 1945
On my first operational jump at Brize Norton which was my 04th jump, I switched off released my harness too late, Landed awkwardly and I broke both my Tib/Fib, So ended with a metal plates and screws in my leg, This was June 1980 & I was well and truly gutted that I didn't get my (Wings) This is December 2021 and I still wonder (WTF) I did wrong, Although I am still very proud to have received my Red Beret after my Pre Para at Aldershot & I still have to this very day have my Red Beret and extremely proud to have passed all of my training, As I say the downside was not getting my (WINGS) 😥😥 "BUT" ??
To anyone saying the journalist is asking these questions in order to make them look bad, it's the job of the journalist to ask questions for the public. Otherwise, what do you think the public assumes about those that don't jump? Would you rather people assume they're cowards without giving their fellow soldiers a chance to defend them? The journalist has to ask these questions, it's his role. Also, none of these men seemed offended by the questions, just wanted to set the story straight. Sometimes you have to ask tough questions to get real answers. There's plenty of bad reporters out there just looking for a scandal or a soundbite, but this guy was diggin in to get them to share their true opinions.
Funny how the only person on the video who refers to them as cowards is the interviewer, no doubt a man who’s never personally done anything more dangerous than hold a microphone.
Surprises me that they were only traking 4 jumps a year. Had a good mate who was a sergeant in SAS at Swanbourne Barracks. Fittest guy I have ever known and had much more stringent allowances on jumps. I believe he had to make 3 jumps aq month to remain relevant. In water, in storms, in the dark, and over wooded country. Nicest, calmest guy I have known but alwaysw knew he could kill me in a second lmao. In fact i met him on the Indian Pacific (Sydney to Perth) when he was coming back from honeymoon and he invited me to stay at his place till i found some digs. Wayne, you were an absolute champion and a credit to the Aussie armed forces
Wow. These guys get it. They just get everything. Legendary lads.
What an honour to be part of the Para regiment!
The fella at the end was clearly a very clever man probably well ahead of his time in understanding the mental health of men
To get to that point of being in The Para's about to jump, I can only presume one would have proved themselves previously beyond what most can imagine. Making the word ' coward ' inappropriate and rejected by the men in this interview.
Thank you for posting it.
Great team spirit and respect. It's rare, currently.
They seem very relaxed , well spoken.
General Sir Anthony Farrar-Hockley gave an address to our graduating class in 2001. Tough cookie.
Ah the feels are strong.
I hated parachuting. The balloon jump was the worst then the second aircraft descent. After doing these I knew that there is nothing in life I cannot do if I put my mind to it.
It would have been easier to have joined a line regiment. But I didn't.
I suppose no one knows what it's like til you're looking out of that door. Fears are a very unique thing between men. I remember working on roofs when I was about 17, I'd sometimes forget and get told off for not having a harness on whereas some men twice my age and more would climb the ladder and clip themselves on to every single rung all the way up and shuffle across to the rails, only when clipped to it would they stand up and they'd never dream of going near the edges. Some people wouldn't even go up. I think some just realised it was unnecessary risk for not much more gain. I was earning good money but looking back I tool all the risks on that job. Maybe I was stupid. Well, I definitely was. Sometimes I'd even climb down the walls rather than use the ladder
It's 2021 it didn't turn out to be significant Mr journalist. Good luck to you paras best there is.
I refused to jump once. On my course, the day before I had the air stolen from my chute as I was just coming in to land so I hit the ground basically without a chute, I was lucky to walk away but that night I began to suffer from the effects of concussion, seeing lights out the side of my eyes, felt violently ill. The next day I felt really off but I didn't want to get pulled from the course but when we got in the air for the next round of jumps it was just to much for me because I kept thinking what happens if I pass out when I get out the door so it was at that point I said no.
Got brought before parachute school's Warrant Officer, he didn't exactly give me a reaming but he wasn't happy. I explained to him why and he did give me the benefit of the doubt.
I finished the course and got a recommendation.
What great, thoughtful individuals. 2022 could do with a few more like them.
very interesting... seems in any discipline there are days when something is "off" and it is better to rest up but hard to put a finger on why, and so easy to either try to push through and get in a downward spiral (perhaps literally as a parachutist) or give up and never be able to get back in the groove or not without extreme effort and mishaps
but what strikes me is that he says they occurred in clusters so either a social contagion type thing or perhaps factors we can't yet identify influencing them
In 1970 I spent 8 days in browning barracks guard house as an sus in the cell next to me was young para awaiting a court Marshall for refusing to jump .He past out as best recruit and was airborne qualified and was making a night jump his 13th. He told me they stood up ready to jump and some thing was not attached properly to quote him my bottle went and there was no way I was going out of that door . The strap ?equipment was reattached at this time he told the Raf flight sergeant he would not jump !! he refused at the door twice and was sent back . when the plane was empty we was taken back to the door and given a direct order to jump he again refused which is how he ended up in the cells he was court marshalled that week ! he was sentenced to 6 months and a discharge subject to confirmation as member of the airbourne brotherhood he was not allowed to refuse to jump . I was transferred back to Buller barracks on the Sunday night to be discharged from my sentence Monday morning so don't know if his sentence was reduced or confirmed ? II have not used his name but remember it well had nice relaxing time in browning barracks and got one with all the staff and other prisoners this lad was apara through and through fate can be cruel some times .
Absolute solid bunch of men so thoughtful with there answers sincere makes me feel so proud to be British. My only hope is that the Paras or any other regiment have characters and leadership that is as close to the values of these men in todays military it would be a crying shame if it isn't.
I really like and respect their attitude. Makes a change from a lot of people.
The video quality is pretty great..What time period was this recorded?
My dad said first jump out plane ok he said second one he didn’t like because he knew what to expect . And in Second World War he had jump out balloon as well in training
Part of it could’ve been on the inefficiency of riggers to setup properly safe kits for the guys the jump with. Other than that why’d they join a Paratrooper Regiment
People may sudddenly get nerves. Perhaps a recent accidental death unduly weighs on their mind. It is likely a multiplicity of reasons. Incidentally, I recall a former member of the British Army telling me that although he was an infrantryman, he had to perform one jump (not sure if this is a mandatory thing), but he said he saw grown men "wetting themselves" prior to the jump or alternatively being literally shoved out of the aircraft.
In other forces but have to say the RAF are top class Boys n girls in this respect. Maybe their 2 hours of low level flying gets to some of the guys!
@@adeyinkamakinde6164 You are shoved out the Aircraft because the the Dropping Zone is tight the C130 flies at around 140 miles an hour so they need you to be out the door "Post Haste" no hanging around.
@@adeyinkamakinde6164 , sounds a bit strange. You don’t do one jump, you have to attend parachute training at Brize Norton and complete at least a two week course to get your wings. We marines had to do 8 jumps which included a water jump.
Riggers generally jump their chutes.
My dad was a medic in the 5th Scottish Para’s chute battalion in 1944to 47….he made 13 jumps and was jumping at ringway in Manchester when someone had a Roman candle …the C.O. Got them all together and took them over to the mark left by the mans body on the grass runway (at the time ringway was a grass runway ) …the para body indentation in the grass was about 6 inches deep but the head mark left only a 1inch deep impression (because it bounced and the energy) ……anyway according to my dad the girl who had packed his parachute was dragged out too to see the marks and then they were all transferred to a hut where they where given a choice….they could have a confidence jump ..what was that l asked him ..he said that if on the confidence jump you refused to jump then you wouldn’t be court marshalled………to a man the rest of his stick all refused the confidence jump as they said it was another chance to have a “candle”..(Russian roulette)…..my dad went on to serve in Athens and then Bloody Palestine ….he was as English as a longbow by the way born in Horwich..Bolton .
P.S.the girl who packed his schute actually packed hers and did a jump too to prove her credibility l suppose …
hey mate, whats a Roman candle? some sort of parachute malfunction?
You do know the longbow was a Welsh innovation?
How many jumps are made each year on average?
It happens to scaffolders too. Spend years working at hight then one day their bottle goes and they never go back up.
I was a Para Dispatcher (ALM) for five years and never had a single refusal in hundreds of operational or post qualifying sorties! Those I did have were in basics and they were gone from barracks before the rest of the drop got back home! In most cases the guys couldn’t wait to get out of the door!
Thats cos you shoved us out !!! ;)
Old school interviewers who patronise and put words into the mouths of the interviewees. Gotta love 'em
What a stupid question. Paras jump. That's it. I never knew any one who refused .I was 15 para
2:28 - It's very difficult to pin down what it is.
*It's the fear of going SPLAT*
These guys were a class act.
1966 say no more. To say:" I am scared" takes a lot of courage.
"...but then, I've been parachuting since 1942, when, mmm,..." . The humility of it humbles me.
I had an uncle who served in the SOE during WW2. Talking about Arnhem to him, he was quite dismissive of allied paratroops who refused to jump with them. I asked him why they wouldn’t jump, he said they said we were too low, I said what height were you jumping from, he said 200 feet😊
Farrah enlisted at age 15 until they discovered his age. 2 years later he reenlisted. Amazing man.
My grandmother was excused gaiters on night jumps.
Is she the one with the sopping wet nickers?
Whenever I see something talking about the parachute regiment it makes me so upset. My grandad died at the age 22 at the 27th of August 1979 he was killed in northern Ireland by a IRA bomb and 18 other paratroopers died. It makes me so upset even mentioning his name. RIP to everyone that died you will be missed. ❤🕊
Colonists reap what they sow.
I was there, me and the OC were the only survivors out of my wagon.Who was your grandad, they were all my mates.
Wow I can't believe that they were so understanding of people who refuse to jump
Rational Fear is nothing to be ashamed of.
Some overcome it easier than others.
It takes great courage to do something you’re terrified of. Like going to war.
Some people take up these tasks with ease but that’s Not courageous because it doesn’t bother you.
This is the most British thing I've ever seen.
Served in both the 101st Airborne, 5th Sneaky Forces, 10th SF and the 82nd and never saw a troop refuse to jump. Hell, it was the only real fun we had in garrison duty anyway.
I was going to say, when they wanted to jump, I went. Garrison was boring and just detail work.
Definition of empathy
So calm, collected and well thought opinions. These are proper men's men. Hail.
Para…important to any mission. You get the equipment on, focus on the mission and be concerned about who’s shooting at you when you hit the ground. Focus, mission, focus, mission.
Spent 7 years on jump status (82nd & 11th Special Forces). Never saw anyone refuse to jump. Once you get past jump school, it shouldn't be an issue. I was on a jump with the 11th and one of our guys was making his first night jump; his class in jump school didn't do one. He was pretty scared, but he jumped nonetheless.
I'll will say, contrary to one of the two officers, that the longer one goes between jumps, the harder it is. No doubt whatsoever.
I was a paratrooper in the 82nd ft Bragg black panther delta company . For me when jumping I just went numb mentally no thoughts and also being sleep deprived for most jumps but once out the door it is so peaceful short lasted as the ground comes fast but airborne training is good and you do remember how to handle yourself if wind makes for awkward landing or twist of the lines and luck does have a little to help out. 35 jumps 13 night jumps no injuries other than being cinched up with full battle rattle and just waiting forever. I had that numb mindset from being an athlete as well so it helped with stressful situations.
"Then I ought to be sacked!" Never an honest man if I've seen one.
Lions AMONGST men ! And I'm an ex Greenjacket
When a man's boots are full, they are full. Some men have a fuller tank of risk acceptance than others.
Ex 2nd REP of the French foreign legion here. Let's be honest, jumping out of an airplane is not for everyone. It takes quite a few to become used to it. It is scary, even frightening at first. Many were injured, some killed. When that happened, the planes were called in immediately from France to our base in Corsica and everyone jumped, several times. That was to avoid people having to think about it too much. At that time the French parachute canopies were smaller than those of other countries in order to get us to the ground as quickly as possible. The subsequent hard landing caused injuries. Now, 50 years later and with thousants of jumps I still do it for fun and am a tandem instructor and skydiving coach even in my 70s. I have jumped in many countries and am also a private pilot. 🇮🇪🇮🇱🇨🇵
My first time ever in a plane was at Brize Norton when I was 18 in 2007.
I was first in my stick to jump out of the side door from the port side of a C130/Hercules.
The several minutes waiting for the red light to come on & turn green was a great natural laxative. 😨
Did many jumps,,,always felt apprehensive never scared😳