This is one of the most beginner-friendly descender videos! Using the unlocked-state of descender to illustrate is super helpful! Even better than the Petzl's official introducing video. Only those who know the gears inside out would explain stuff this way. Great job!
Again, another great video. One great advantage worth mentioning about the ID and similar devices that you displayed many times but failed to mention is the ability to pull the tail and reduce slack or load up the descender and even ascend. One disadvantage with the ID is how the tail folds over the side of the ID leading to the rope twisting.
Thank you. This was just an introductionary video. I get more in depth in how to use it to ascend and descend in this one: th-cam.com/video/G0xt4IzFUFw/w-d-xo.html
@@ronnie.c3222 that depends on the ropes used I think. I can’t say anything about it as I have limited experience with other device besides the rig and I’d. Those I use daily. I’ve only experienced it once where it was serious. But we were using some bad Teflon type spray and everything was silky smooth. That was the culprit.
One of the best videos I've seen yet teaching on the use of Petzl I'Ds. I also like the way you explain the carabiner positioning. Also, that carabiner positioning makes it easier to release the ID during rescue when the Px is already on the ground (when its nose is near to you, rather than to the ID). I will be waiting for more of your videos! Kudos!
Amazing man ! I'm a French and i don't pass irata ( but cqp ) I'm gonna watch all your vidéo for my Knowledge and try it at Work ! And you teach me english vocabulary of the rope access technician ! Thanks a lot man continue like That !! 🙏🙏
@@TheRopeAccessChannel actually I want detailed information about equipments we use in ascending or descending, their capacity, advantages and disadvantage. It's lot i want to learn, your videos are very clear and understanding.
There is one more reason for setting the carbiner this way. For example, in rescue, after transporting the injured person, you can quickly unclip yourself from your carabiner and the IP still stays in a safe position on the rope. Btw did you check Astro attachment point? 😉
That I explained in the first rescue video. At least I think. It has been a while haha. I have checked quite a few Astro’s in the last few weeks😂😂. All good
At 2:49, there is a part under your left thumb which has teeth the same as seen in ascenders, what is it used for in this device? From what I've concluded so far, you can actually drive the rope in opposite direction while attached to your harness, and use it as a belay device, and that part actually brakes really good.
I explained the function of that part in the video. It is to stop you when you thread the rope in backwards. On other devices you slide down uncontrolled
I agree, I like the Rig more. Allthough with practice and patience it is possible to always pay out rope fairly easy. Definitely not as easy as with just yanking on the handle of a Rig or Spark or TazLov3 ;-)
Great content! I'd be interested in your opinion about the Skylotec Sirius decender. It is more compact and also has the autostop and panic brake, as well as some protection against threading it the wrong way (it is threaded in the opposite direction though...). I wonder how it behaves on longer descents with 11 mm rope, is the control as good as with the ID and rig? As you have a lot of experience it would be good to hear your view on performance with wet ropes, unwanted panic activation etc.
Thank you for your comment and question. I have used the Sirius when teaching the irata courses. So no long drops on it. We do use 11 mm ropes at the trainingscenter. I like it a lot. Im looking forward to trying the spark though. That should be even better to me. I prefer the rig over I’d as well. I’m planning on doing a full review after the rope access library is complete 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for your time and content ❤️ I liked and subscribed and would like to ask if you can please explain what the thin flat ropes that are in little pockets on each side of my harness are for?
Thanks for subbing! It took me a while to figure out what you meant. I think you are referring to the so called "trauma straps" www.industrieelklimmen.nl/product/3m-dbi-sala-suspension-trauma-safety-strap-2x/ To be used after a fall to get some support and keep leg muscles engaged. The real question is, how do you have those on your harness without knowing what they are. The person selling you the harness should have informed you.
For us, newbies, do you have any videos on the size of the rope mm ? With different devices, notice the petzl ID says 12.5 - 13mm, and when you go to the edelrid 10 -11.8 ...thanks love the videos
Yes, I sure will. I am working on a part 2 of the gear series where I'll get more in depth in the various rope access gear we use. The Petzl Rig is definitely high on that list as it is my personal favourite (for now).
So the new I’D is not like yours in the video, instead the spring will lock the handle automatically if I let go of the device? Say someone was descending, and passed out, the newer I’D would automatically return the handle to lock?
Hii, have a question for you as an experienced rope tech. The bine which is in your main point connecting the I'D with your harness, always has to be steel one? Or aluminium should be fine aswell? I've been using aluminium, bit many people don't. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance for your answer.
It can be whatever you feel comfortable with, or what your industry prescribes. There is no set in stone rule. Usually everyone wants an EN362 connector. That is about the only real rule. Material, shape and locking mechanism are up to you
That is mostly used on low angle terrain. It stops the ID from getting into that panic function when there is not a lot of weight on the device. In my eyes a quite useless feature if you know how to operate the handle with some finesse
I have a 25-foot drop to the ground from my bedroom window. I want to learn how to descend with a rope because all the fire-escape ladders sold retail seem too unstable and scary.
All the information on how to do it is on this channel and many others. You can make a rescue set yourslef or there are some really good evacuation sets available. Thin and fire resistant ropes. You best contact your local rope access equipment dealer for more info and in person training.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Thank you. Your optimistic reply motivates me to continue to research using a rope as a fire escape, in lieu of those flimsy portable fire-escape ladders because your reply assures me that my idea is both workable and recommended. A Big Box retail sports store, like REI or Dicks, should have an employee in the rock-climbing aisle who can tell me what to buy. I will also Google search for "fire resistant ropes". Also, I bet the local fire department knows this stuff.
Something like this is what you are looking for: www.petzl.com/NL/en/Tactical/Descenders/EXO-EASHOOK-OPEN There are more companies that make something similar
I have the Antiron dsd, its good on thicker ropes but a bit fast on 9.5 mm which is a shame as i like thin rope as its lite to carry when we go mine exploring, is the petzl friction plate on the descender useful to limit speed on thin rope?? As the friction plate is something mine does not have. Thanks for makeing such usefull videos been watching all youre videos they have helped me a lot doing and probably stoped me falling down a mine shaft lol. Im doing a IRATA course at end of the summer. Its a shame you guys are so far away and i dont speak dutch lol
That is so cool to hear!! Thank you for sharing. I am not a fan of devices like the antiron dsd, ascending is not easy and changing over is also more of a hassle. That might all be because I do not use it often. If they work for you great😉. Also remember I am talking about industrial rope access work. I dont know much about caving or mine exploring and the toll it takes on gear and what gear is suited best. The rounded edge of the ID is to gave you more control or the ability to provide more friction. I teach the course in Dutch and English now its just the distance that keeps you from coming over 👊🏻👊🏻
Except it has more certifications, you can open it while attached to the harness, has a safety in case you thread the rope in wrong and can be used with a two person load. Oh and the anti panic function (which some Grigri’s have). So yeah, completely similar… ;-)
Can you help? I want to build a home climbing wall up to 5 meters. Is there anyway I can build a safe descender system without an auto belay device. I want this setup to not require my hands during ascension. I am thinking of a fixed rope with a little bit of room, it allows me to go up easily but locks when down pressure is applied.
I am not sure. Hypothetically, if I would build one, I would build one, I would rig a fixed rope en use a TAZLOV3 (or 2) when climbing up. If you fall you can easily descend down or keep climbing.
Not with all types of ropes from different manufacturers no. As stated on the back of the I'd, only with En1891A ropes from 10-11,5 mm. Some ropes work better than others and some personal preference is involved. Age or the state of the rope also influences the ease of use.
I would love to help, and it is impossible for me to tell what the issue was if the rope was threaded correctly you should be able to descent. Maybe the panic function was activated. But hearing this makes me think you are trying to learn this without proper training. Don’t experiment and get in person training please
@@TheRopeAccessChannel you are correct, I'm trying to learn by myself. And as you said it was in panic function. Today I corrected myself. All the credits goes to you sir. Thank you.
Dat kan, het gaat hier meer over de principes van een afdaal apparaat en eventuele veiligheidsfuncties voor een onervaren PIK 😜 (Professionele Industriele Klimmer). En wat dat betreft is de I'd toch wel de meest verkochte naar mijn weten. Vandaar de keuze. De Sirius/Spark/Megawatt/Taz/Rig krijgen allemaal hun eigen video 👍
@@TheRopeAccessChannel deze Sirius is veel later op de markt gekomen maar heeft daar waar het touw raakt roestvrij staal zelfs de hendel is van metaal en hij heeft ook een paniek functie. En als je een klimtouw verkeerd inlegt merk je dit snel hij blokkeert niet en je kan geen touw innemen en als je dan geen test doet ivb met de werking alvorens gebruik dan kan je beter op de begane grond blijven!
Perfectly safe. For experienced users it is easy to open. I'm always surprised how much time it takes on day one for most students to get the hang of it. The yellow plate actually has a sort of hook on it. So if you are suspended and open the black clip, you still can not open the plate. The carabiner is pulling the plate close, or catching the hook.. Sort of. If you understand what I am saying..
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This is one of the most beginner-friendly descender videos!
Using the unlocked-state of descender to illustrate is super helpful! Even better than the Petzl's official introducing video. Only those who know the gears inside out would explain stuff this way.
Great job!
Thank you very much for your kind comment 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Alex, this is another outstanding video. You demonstrate the capabilities of a somewhat complicated piece of gear in a very effective way.
Thank you very much!
Got my self a rig. Very good thing. Not having to rely on the chest ascender is amazing.
Totally agree! The Rig is still one of my favorite descnders
Again, another great video. One great advantage worth mentioning about the ID and similar devices that you displayed many times but failed to mention is the ability to pull the tail and reduce slack or load up the descender and even ascend. One disadvantage with the ID is how the tail folds over the side of the ID leading to the rope twisting.
Thank you. This was just an introductionary video. I get more in depth in how to use it to ascend and descend in this one:
th-cam.com/video/G0xt4IzFUFw/w-d-xo.html
the id also seems to start creeping rather quickly from being fresh after daily use :(
@@ronnie.c3222 that depends on the ropes used I think. I can’t say anything about it as I have limited experience with other device besides the rig and I’d. Those I use daily. I’ve only experienced it once where it was serious. But we were using some bad Teflon type spray and everything was silky smooth. That was the culprit.
One of the best videos I've seen yet teaching on the use of Petzl I'Ds. I also like the way you explain the carabiner positioning. Also, that carabiner positioning makes it easier to release the ID during rescue when the Px is already on the ground (when its nose is near to you, rather than to the ID).
I will be waiting for more of your videos! Kudos!
Thank you for the comment🙏🏻🙏🏻.
I appreciate that.
If there is anything you would like me to get into, just let me know👍🏼👊🏼
Amazing man ! I'm a French and i don't pass irata ( but cqp )
I'm gonna watch all your vidéo for my Knowledge and try it at Work !
And you teach me english vocabulary of the rope access technician ! Thanks a lot man continue like That !! 🙏🙏
Awesome thank you man! That is great to hear. Glad to be able to help! If youngsters any questions just shot me an email or DM👊🏼
I have other tools but because I climb maybe 2 times a year, I come back to this one.
Yes, I would say that the I'd is one of the safest descenders for inexperienced techs.
Very informative video, looking forward to watch more videos on such equipments.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Is there anything specific you would like to see?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel actually I want detailed information about equipments we use in ascending or descending, their capacity, advantages and disadvantage. It's lot i want to learn, your videos are very clear and understanding.
Good to see a run down like this for the Spark and Sirius.
Good vids mate.
Thanks 👍. Later on I will dive into every device I can get my hands on.
I've got nothing to add but great video, comment for the algorithm
Thanks for that! That is well appreciated
Nice one Alex, really enjoyed it. Good stuff!
Thanks 😃😃🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for your clear explanation…there are all the reasons why it’s called “intelligent descender” (I’D)
And here is my thinking it is called an industrial descender... ;-)
Also called an " idiot's descender" because the safety features were incorporated to make the design idiot proof
very informative thankyou
You are welcome👍🏼👍🏼😃
Merci beaucoup!😀
De rien
How tools have changed. Decades ago, we used what I refer to as a sleeved dog bone for rappeling down buildings.
Yes, the gear has taken some big strides forward with regards to safety for sure :-)
Love this guy.
I love you too 😉🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😜
Nice channel my freind wish you success .
I am new at this job and good I met your channel to learn more.
Thanks and welcome!! Always great to hear that the videos are helping. If you have any questions, you can DM me on Instagram.
Thanks
Welcome
There is one more reason for setting the carbiner this way. For example, in rescue, after transporting the injured person, you can quickly unclip yourself from your carabiner and the IP still stays in a safe position on the rope. Btw did you check Astro attachment point? 😉
That I explained in the first rescue video. At least I think. It has been a while haha.
I have checked quite a few Astro’s in the last few weeks😂😂. All good
At 2:49, there is a part under your left thumb which has teeth the same as seen in ascenders, what is it used for in this device?
From what I've concluded so far, you can actually drive the rope in opposite direction while attached to your harness, and use it as a belay device, and that part actually brakes really good.
I explained the function of that part in the video. It is to stop you when you thread the rope in backwards. On other devices you slide down uncontrolled
The anti panic function is super annoying on big transfers or any time there isn't enough load on the device. Definitely prefer the rig over the ID
I agree, I like the Rig more. Allthough with practice and patience it is possible to always pay out rope fairly easy. Definitely not as easy as with just yanking on the handle of a Rig or Spark or TazLov3 ;-)
Great content! I'd be interested in your opinion about the Skylotec Sirius decender. It is more compact and also has the autostop and panic brake, as well as some protection against threading it the wrong way (it is threaded in the opposite direction though...). I wonder how it behaves on longer descents with 11 mm rope, is the control as good as with the ID and rig? As you have a lot of experience it would be good to hear your view on performance with wet ropes, unwanted panic activation etc.
Thank you for your comment and question.
I have used the Sirius when teaching the irata courses. So no long drops on it. We do use 11 mm ropes at the trainingscenter.
I like it a lot. Im looking forward to trying the spark though. That should be even better to me. I prefer the rig over I’d as well.
I’m planning on doing a full review after the rope access library is complete 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for your time and content ❤️ I liked and subscribed and would like to ask if you can please explain what the thin flat ropes that are in little pockets on each side of my harness are for?
Thanks for subbing!
It took me a while to figure out what you meant. I think you are referring to the so called "trauma straps"
www.industrieelklimmen.nl/product/3m-dbi-sala-suspension-trauma-safety-strap-2x/
To be used after a fall to get some support and keep leg muscles engaged.
The real question is, how do you have those on your harness without knowing what they are. The person selling you the harness should have informed you.
What's the difference between the ID and the ID,s ?
How about a video about the Petzl Rig?
Yes, it will come
For us, newbies, do you have any videos on the size of the rope mm ? With different devices, notice the petzl ID says 12.5 - 13mm, and when you go to the edelrid 10 -11.8 ...thanks love the videos
No I don’t have a video on that subject yet.
The IDL is up till 13mm. The IDS up to 11mm I think. That is the one we use for work.
Can you please make a video about the Petzl Rig? Thank you
Yes, I sure will. I am working on a part 2 of the gear series where I'll get more in depth in the various rope access gear we use. The Petzl Rig is definitely high on that list as it is my personal favourite (for now).
So the new I’D is not like yours in the video, instead the spring will lock the handle automatically if I let go of the device? Say someone was descending, and passed out, the newer I’D would automatically return the handle to lock?
That is correct. And you dont have to open the handle to take in slack
Hii, have a question for you as an experienced rope tech. The bine which is in your main point connecting the I'D with your harness, always has to be steel one? Or aluminium should be fine aswell? I've been using aluminium, bit many people don't. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance for your answer.
It can be whatever you feel comfortable with, or what your industry prescribes. There is no set in stone rule. Usually everyone wants an EN362 connector. That is about the only real rule. Material, shape and locking mechanism are up to you
What is the function of yellow butten in the liver
That is mostly used on low angle terrain. It stops the ID from getting into that panic function when there is not a lot of weight on the device.
In my eyes a quite useless feature if you know how to operate the handle with some finesse
I have a 25-foot drop to the ground from my bedroom window. I want to learn how to descend with a rope because all the fire-escape ladders sold retail seem too unstable and scary.
All the information on how to do it is on this channel and many others. You can make a rescue set yourslef or there are some really good evacuation sets available. Thin and fire resistant ropes. You best contact your local rope access equipment dealer for more info and in person training.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Thank you. Your optimistic reply motivates me to continue to research using a rope as a fire escape, in lieu of those flimsy portable fire-escape ladders because your reply assures me that my idea is both workable and recommended. A Big Box retail sports store, like REI or Dicks, should have an employee in the rock-climbing aisle who can tell me what to buy. I will also Google search for "fire resistant ropes". Also, I bet the local fire department knows this stuff.
Something like this is what you are looking for:
www.petzl.com/NL/en/Tactical/Descenders/EXO-EASHOOK-OPEN
There are more companies that make something similar
Now i am using Petzl Rig.. Before this usually i am using Petzl Stop.. My question is what is the function there is a hole on the handle part?
I am not sure I understand your question. What hole? And in which device?
Function
Is there a question in all your comments?
Can the Ids be used as the descender for a bosun chair?
Yes it can. Just make sure you are connected to the ID’s as well as;-)
Can you use it to srt rope walk
No, that would be very difficult. A TAZLOV3 is wayway better for taht
Rescue
Possible too
What is the name of the device
I have the Antiron dsd, its good on thicker ropes but a bit fast on 9.5 mm which is a shame as i like thin rope as its lite to carry when we go mine exploring, is the petzl friction plate on the descender useful to limit speed on thin rope?? As the friction plate is something mine does not have.
Thanks for makeing such usefull videos been watching all youre videos they have helped me a lot doing and probably stoped me falling down a mine shaft lol. Im doing a IRATA course at end of the summer. Its a shame you guys are so far away and i dont speak dutch lol
That is so cool to hear!! Thank you for sharing.
I am not a fan of devices like the antiron dsd, ascending is not easy and changing over is also more of a hassle. That might all be because I do not use it often. If they work for you great😉. Also remember I am talking about industrial rope access work. I dont know much about caving or mine exploring and the toll it takes on gear and what gear is suited best.
The rounded edge of the ID is to gave you more control or the ability to provide more friction.
I teach the course in Dutch and English now its just the distance that keeps you from coming over 👊🏻👊🏻
Descender
Yes it is
It's a giant Grigri
Except it has more certifications, you can open it while attached to the harness, has a safety in case you thread the rope in wrong and can be used with a two person load. Oh and the anti panic function (which some Grigri’s have). So yeah, completely similar… ;-)
Can you help? I want to build a home climbing wall up to 5 meters. Is there anyway I can build a safe descender system without an auto belay device. I want this setup to not require my hands during ascension. I am thinking of a fixed rope with a little bit of room, it allows me to go up easily but locks when down pressure is applied.
I am not sure. Hypothetically, if I would build one, I would build one, I would rig a fixed rope en use a TAZLOV3 (or 2) when climbing up. If you fall you can easily descend down or keep climbing.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Great! Thank you.
👊🏻
Is petzl ld compatible with all types of ropes from different manufacturers?
Not with all types of ropes from different manufacturers no. As stated on the back of the I'd, only with En1891A ropes from 10-11,5 mm.
Some ropes work better than others and some personal preference is involved. Age or the state of the rope also influences the ease of use.
When I used same id, I was not able to lower myself. Though it was in right direction. How come so?
I would love to help, and it is impossible for me to tell what the issue was if the rope was threaded correctly you should be able to descent.
Maybe the panic function was activated. But hearing this makes me think you are trying to learn this without proper training. Don’t experiment and get in person training please
@@TheRopeAccessChannel you are correct, I'm trying to learn by myself. And as you said it was in panic function. Today I corrected myself. All the credits goes to you sir. Thank you.
@@shadowpeace7452 your welcome👍🏼. Stay safe out there!
ik denk dat de Skylotec Sirius een beter alternatief is veel robuuster en geen plastiek onderdelen
Dat kan, het gaat hier meer over de principes van een afdaal apparaat en eventuele veiligheidsfuncties voor een onervaren PIK 😜 (Professionele Industriele Klimmer). En wat dat betreft is de I'd toch wel de meest verkochte naar mijn weten. Vandaar de keuze. De Sirius/Spark/Megawatt/Taz/Rig krijgen allemaal hun eigen video 👍
@@TheRopeAccessChannel deze Sirius is veel later op de markt gekomen maar heeft daar waar het touw raakt roestvrij staal zelfs de hendel is van metaal en hij heeft ook een paniek functie.
En als je een klimtouw verkeerd inlegt merk je dit snel hij blokkeert niet en je kan geen touw innemen en als je dan geen test doet ivb met de werking alvorens gebruik dan kan je beter op de begane grond blijven!
Descender Ha thap
I don't understand
I've always been weirded out by how easily the device is opened. Held shut with the plastic piece. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Perfectly safe. For experienced users it is easy to open. I'm always surprised how much time it takes on day one for most students to get the hang of it. The yellow plate actually has a sort of hook on it. So if you are suspended and open the black clip, you still can not open the plate. The carabiner is pulling the plate close, or catching the hook.. Sort of. If you understand what I am saying..
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Oh, sounds like you’re saying if you’re weighting the device it can’t really be opened? If so, perfect!!
@@EvanWisheropp you can see it at 1:52 and 2:21 if you’re quick.
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Working on it. It will take a long time though
I am from Bangladesh, 11 mm rope petzl available
panic
Anti panic function
Arrest
what do you mean?