Next you could cover spanish football's racism crisis. It has come back to the spotlight due to the racial insults against Vinicius but it's no novelty. Just a bit over a decade ago fans legitimally threw bananas at players like Dani Alves when they went for corner kicks. I'd say it's one of spanish football's biggest issues, probably only behind the ridiculous amount of corruption in league ownership and the federation
Italy is much worse I only ever hear vini getting abused in Spain were it's every player of different skin colour in Italy And the dani Alves banana was like 2010 not really relevant today
We (Groningen) indeed have a problem with a very small group (maybe +/- 50 people) of coked-out criminals who intimidate staff, stewards, and supporters. Last week v Ajax, they managed to sneak smoke bombs into the stadium by threatening stewards just to get the game abandoned asap. Some hooligans/criminals of other clubs, such as Beerschot of Belgium, are friends with them and were in attandance as well. It has been the worst season on the pitch in Groningen's history (18 points in 33 matches), but our club is rotten off the pitch as well. Worrying times...
@@wife9571 Nobody uses the term 'sodomy' today. For good reason. Would it have been acceptable to say he doesn't mind being 'buggered' on a weekly basis?
I absolutely love it when someone can shift my perspective so effectively with one argument. Really well constructed and thought out. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
It goes down the drain when you want to force people to ride with you. It goes against what they want to supposedly promote. Diversity and tolerance.... Only if you think and looks like me. There is no argument from the start. Using oppressive manners to fight oppression is never going to work.
@@sirterryratchett i can't exactly speak for him but I myself was homophbic due to the members of the LGBT people spreading unnesicary agenda everywhere and FORCING it upon kids
@@sirterryratchett it probably was on the statements made by the players and how they sounded somewhat understandable rather than outright homophobia but this video changed his mind
not part of the lgbtq community myself but i appreciate you, a big youtuber in the football community, constantly calling out homophobes, because the football fan community is brimming with them and it's incredibly dumb. thanks alfie.
As a bi guy keep that bs out of football it's that simple. I don't want to see politics or agendas being pushed in football wether i agree with them or not. Some people have beliefs that disagree with others it's there right as long as they are not pushing for violence against people who have a different way of life. Stop trying to make people accept ways of life they don't agree with it's that simple.
@Blaze Pukka watch the video. Gambling and alcohol are shirt sponsors for clubs that these players play for, which are also haram. Surely this is a 'way of life they don't agree with' and should have a similar outrage towards these sponsors. Boycotting a campaign showing solidarity with people who've faced violence and prejudice because of their sexuality is such a self report and, as Alfie says, showcases why they're needed more.
@@blazepukka2264 and you don't get to disagree about gay people being allowed to live if you find supporting them against homophobia absurd then you got issues not everything requires your opinion, not everything is a debate
Since Homophobia is still such a big issue in world football, it is quite remarkable that you stand so clearly as an ally, aswell as basically educating ont this topic. Hats off for giving your voice to those, who still suffer from discrimination.
@@lenenlawless "homophobia". It means Afraid of Homosexuals. People use the term incorrectly. Not celebrating homosexuality does not = homophobia. And it's not a "big issue" in football or anywhere. They're the most coddled, entitled group in the modern western world.
Alfie, honestly, this is why we come here, no bullshit trying to appease everyone, you do your work, you use journalistic facts when you need to, you clearly separate them from your opinions and when you give your opinions you make them heard Screw homophobia, period
Yes it is appeasement. If it was in support of the opposite, his video would be demonetised and most likely removed from TH-cam. So he will never do something to jeopardise his videos will he. So he has to show support. Use some common sense.
i am 100% uneffected by the phobias you touched on in this video but You have brightened my day just by making this compassionate case for our lgbtq friends. Thank You!
I've had lots of football fans tell me that racism is worse than any other prejudice and that the other prejudices should be ignored. All prejudice in the game needs to be addressed
Betclic is the exclusive sponsor of the French Cup and a team in every match must wear it as the shirt sponsor. Toulouse’s shirt sponsor in league matches is a real estate developer. Zakaria Aboukhlal could have upheld his belief against gambling by refusing to play in the French cup to promote the betting sponsor. So to people on your twitter who claim that he couldn’t choose Toulouse’s sponsor and had no choice in wearing it, he did and could have refused then.
I'm not sure if you'll see this, Alfie, but I'm a queer woman. Despite loving your content I fear watching this video might end up just upsetting me due to the circumstances through no fault of your own. I just wanted to say that youre probably the only football channel that hasn't ever made me feel bad for being a woman or for being gay. I thank you for that, truly.
@@nikolasavic9275 prolly cuz a lot of football channels and fans r casually homophobic and football is seen as a masculine sport with female fans and players being thought of as a joke
I do think campaigns like this are quite important when there is a seemingly large proportion of young football fans online who are homophobic, if say a 13 or 14 year old boy sees mbappe or another of their idols supporting LGBT people then it could push them to more tolerant beliefs, this is amplified by footballs large audience.
I'm trans ftm and my bf is trans ftm. Glad to have an ally, was very respectful in this video and agree with everything you said. I do not understand the hate for anybody honestly. Aslong as you respect me, I'll respect you back and that's how it should be but unfortunately it's not which is why these things need to be talked about.
this channel is my save haven. being a bisexual football fan it is pretty tiring seeing constant anti-lgbtq or even other forms of bigotry and hatred within the online community. love that there are football fans that do advocate for basic human rights, even if it’s a minority (which is scary)
You are valid. Football is for everyone. Everyone against the LGBTQ+ community but calls themselves a football fan has missed the entire meaning of the game
So what, do you want everyone be like "Congrats for being bisexual you are amazing" thats pathetic, you are not special nor am I. You guys are attacking anyone who doesn't support you "cause", you guys have respect only for the ones who think like you... If someone doesn't want to wear that stupid rainbow doesn't mean they hate you they just don't want to be forced into doing something they are not confortable with.
@@Kooptj People don't want "congratulations". They want "I'm not going to verbally or physically attack you for no other reason than you are LGBT+" why are people not comfortable wearing it? Does the discomfort come from supporting something they hate? Usually if someone is at least completely neutral to an issue, there is no argument for or against supporting anything
@@Dunny261the discomfort can be from having a religious belief or the belief that politics shouldn't collide with sports, something a lot of people hold. I am against the gay armbands etc yet I do accept gay people for who they are. It's not about intollerance it's about needless politicalisation of entertainment and sports. (If it's not that person is just bad tho)
since this is a comment which may be viewed I will say this here. Whilst Alfie's point at 9:28 is valid about the fact that it was a campaign to say "do not abuse or discriminate against gay people" people tend to misunderstand context a lot. For example when I was younger I used to always say in class about how much I love Messi and then people would say I was gay. Far from it I loved everything about Messi but just not erotically (and there are many more instances of my life with people misunderstanding context). I could give you another. When I was younger some people and I were arguing about whether or not we only inhale Oxygen and only exhale Carbon Dioxide (being the smart one that I am, I obviously said that we inhale all gases that would be in our proximity.) They then went to a girl who was older than us and went to a quite reputable University and she did not agree with me. They also made it a point to tell me that she went to a good University. Then I said, not because she goes to a reputable University means that she is exempted from being stupid. They then went and told the girl that I said she was stupid. Similarly with those three players. If they go and participate in anything that supports, upholds, defends, legalizes, raises awareness etc. it may just be taken out of context.
It’s a sad reality that football is pretty far behind the times in terms of social acceptance. Racism is still rampant (Vinicius Junior is probably the biggest example right now but definitely not the only one), homophobia is even more rampant (just ask yourself how many players have come out of the closet the way Jakub Jankto or Thomas Hitzlsperger did and even those two have faced a lot of backlash) and we don’t do anything about it just because clubs don’t want to lose the support of said racist/homophobic fans. Brilliant video Alfie as per usual. It’s amazing how you have been able to put out amazing content on a consistent basis for the last 6 years.
There's no such thing as "behind the times". There is the culture of the people, and then the manufactured culture that the state and corporations try to create for us.
@@Nemophilist850 I don’t agree with this. If this were true, then we would see the same patterns of racism, homophobia and general hooliganism we see in men’s football in other areas and that’s verifiably untrue (women’s football for instance, but also in other non football related areas)
@@Nemophilist850I think the evidence is pretty clear considering anyone that isn't a 15-30 year old roided r'tard is fleeing watching live football in the stands. Football culture is medieval in comparisson to the culture at large.
Been watching/listening to you for years and due to being trans, I always slightly fear what youtubers/artists would think about me, due to being met with quiete a bit of discrimantion from strangers. I'm over the moon happy, after this video & I don't see any other football-youtuber speaking about these lgbtq+ rights or even acknowladging that this is happening. Thank you so much! ♡
That's lovely to hear. ❤ Everyone should be accepted for who they are, and what they believe in. I think the world be a far better place if everyone could hold on to those values/morals - Truly. I'd really like to know your thoughts on whether the footballers who chose not to participate in the Campaign discussed in this video, were treated with the same level of respect, and support, for their own beliefs, as you personally felt from this video? Personally, i think the moral of this, is that we need to be accepting, whether we agree or disagree. The footballers who opted not to take part in the campaign, could have instead, continued to play, but not wear the colors - which IMO would be far more disrespectful and 'Phobic' than what they did, which was respectfully, opt out. If they truly believe that they should not participate, then put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself, WWYD? I think you'd do exactly what they did. So, I say leave them alone, respect their beliefs, and be thankful that respect is being shown, all around. Surely, that's the harmonious way forward right? This video is not very nice to the people who are being respectful towards your cause....
@@bludmoon4508 You're comparing their right to express their beliefs with other people's right to live a peaceable existence. And if you'd watched the video, you'd know how stupid that argument is.
I don't often comment on videos but I just wanted to say thank you, Alfie, for always going above and beyond on this topic. It can be a disheartening space to be involved in for LGBTQ+ football fans and it means a lot to have a content creator go beyond the bare minimum of allyship!
@@ILKILO1 easy answer! it’s people who both play and follow football as a sport. a certain percentage of those people happen to be lgbtq+ and deserve to feel welcome in football spaces. hope this helps!
@@aarondickinson23 funny that you mention a certain percentage....because the lgbt community is less than 5% of the world population but look how everybody must bend over backwards for them....
Impressive how these players managed to post such long statements about how they wanted their own personal beliefs to be respected without stating what, exactly, those personal beliefs are. Almost like they know that those personal beliefs would be obviously and blatantly homophobic if they said them outright. Top work as always Alfie.
Why does anyone, regardless if they are a world famous athlete or a working class guy, owe you an explanation of their beliefs. Do you have even the slightest clue how big of a hypocrite you are? YOU do not get to demand (or in your case, passive aggressively write a cloying, self congratulatory comment in a random video about football and homophobia) a response from ANYONE, let alone a Superstar athlete. Nobody likes discrimination. It's just that you are going about pointing it out in the wrong way
@@BobSmith-cq9xb the players are the ones who chose not to play and cited their personal beliefs as the reason for making that choice. Not sure what's hypocritical about expecting them to state what those beliefs are if they're using them as a reason for not playing. And, given that they cited those beliefs to get out of taking part in an anti-discrimination event, not quite sure how it shows that 'nobody likes discrimination' either.
@@joshsymon6992 no that's such a donkey reason for being homophobic and if religion was so important they wouldn't wear betting sponsors would they lad
I think the huge issue in France, and really in the UK too in terms of the pro-LGBT things in football, it comes off as extremely tone deaf since most of the ownership groups are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar or UAE, in all three nations gay relationships are illegal, and in Saudi Arabia it could get you thrown off a building.
ding ding ding! spot on! empty gestures knowing who the higher ups are at the club! nothing worse than empty gestures, even having nothing would be better than that, as this way, we all know they are just doing it for image, THEY KNOW its wrong, and still continue to do it... embarassing
Thank you for picking up this topic. As a queer woman in football spaces it is great to hear a straight man take the work upon themselves to speak about problems and educate others. Great and responsible use of your platform.
Thank you as always Alfie. I first became interested in the beautiful game in high school as I grew into myself. I have a background in American football, played it for years, but reached a turning point in my late teens as I just couldn’t take the constant homophobia, racism, and bullying associated with American football culture. Within American football culture, association football is often seen as “gay” or effeminate, and often referred to in homophobic terms. So naturally, I gravitated more towards it as I moved further away from the sport that didn’t accept me. I saw supporters like the Portland Timbers army and St.Pauli ultras and countless others waving rainbow flags, singing Bella Ciao, being intimidating and accepting at the same time. I found a sporting culture that actually felt more open to someone like me and many of the people I love. Many years later, it’s quite ironic to look back on my younger self, believing that global football would be a less homophobic place than the American football I was raised around. At the end of the day, I fell in love with the beautiful game and will likely never fall out of love with it, but the culture around it must be improved. We need to keep fighting for a better future for football, one in which homophobia, racism, misogyny, and all forms of discrimination are not tolerated. Thanks for being a leader in that fight Alfie. Your impact is real, and your words are valued by many of us.
@@theredhall-thisisfootball do you even understand racism and homophobia? It's fine if you don't like or agree with the idea. but being a racist or homophobia, you're simply not just 'not agreeing'. It is much more, and it has direct 'consequence' to the subject being discriminated against. like yeah you can hate queer player all you like but you CAN'T go around beating them or hurl insults or arrest someone because they have different skin color. I think the gist is to be more tolerant and accepting.
All of the anti gay rhetoric spouted in the comments on posts about Gueye and the Qatar world cup over the last couple of years have really made me lose my love for football. I appreciate you making a video like this Alfie although I know for a fact most homophobes don't listen to logic.
Same, other than Alfie cause of videos like this, I've completely removed myself from all football spaces online cause of the hatred present and I just watch the games by myself and that's it
@@Scalper10001 bro the rainbow numbers were for international day against homophobia. The rainbow is associated with pride but the numbers weren’t to do with pride.
@@mattlook1573 that's your perspective. How can a symbol symbolizes one thing everywhere, everyday but suddenly mean something the next?The EXACT symbol. You can't just literally make a new meaning for the symbol for one day and the next. Am I the only see the obvious b.s?Extremism with a pretty clolourful rainbow on top is all I can see where members justify villinizing non-conformers in hope "betterment of the world". History repeating,over, over and over again with a little.change in settings. Why didn't we think of this for racism? Lets.make a flag together, says it means all life matter bs and if obviously the persons who refuse to wear it for whatever reason are obviously racist to their core. Easy way to find the bigots and shut them down right? All person who didn't do BLM thing for whatever reasons which were many are just backwards fools right cause All lives do matter and not participating objectively show they don't care about all lives. Let's extend this to charities too, if you don't contribute to the cause of a certain charity, you clearly hate it. No excuse is worth saving a life after all. Isn't this all for the "GREATER GOOD?".
"I respect gay people, but my beliefs keep me from supporting their movement" And what belief could that be, other than homophobia ? Doesnt make any sense
Thank you for always speaking up about these issues. It means so much when so much of the football discussion online is laced with homophobia or homophobia apologia
Thank you for an excellent video, which was well explained and with a light touch. I still remember the suicide of Justin Fashanu in an era of football that was even more bigoted and hostile to gays.
Found myself agreeing with literally every Single point. Seriously, is it so hard to just let gay people....live? Like, is that really so genuinely difficult?
As a queer football fan, it couldn't be more obvious to me that all these awareness campaigns were designed by heterosexual cisgender people. I am totally in favour of awareness campaigns, but they shouldn't be designed in a way that allows homophobes to hijack the entire thing. Campaigns that force everyone to participate only serve to give a platform to homophobia, which only makes me feel less safe if anything. Besides, the point shouldn't be to convert the person wearing the mandated rainbow colours to a life of love and acceptance, it should be to foster a gradual change in football culture; one that goes beyond the 22 on the field. My personal approach would be to specifically identify players and managers at each club who genuinely want to make a statement against homophobia. This way, players who don't want to participate in it don't get to claim they're being forced to comply and the focus will be on the actual role models instead.
Your knowledge of football, society and ability to understand everyone’s point whilst also sticking to your morales in your opinion. Makes this the greatest football TH-cam account.
6:33 people are allowed to hold their own beliefs. Just like you're allowed to hold yours. As long as they don't harm others. Respect his own personal beliefs. Tolerance is not forcing others to believe what you believe, but allowing them to hold their own views
@@andreasgamperl9583 The ability or practice of tolerating; an acceptance of or patience with the beliefs, opinions or practices of others. From Latin "tolerō" meaning" endure. To put up with. Also, how do you not see the irony in saying "tolerance doesn't tolerate ..."? 😂🤣😂 If it doesn't tolerate, it is, by definition, NOT tolerance
Do you know why gambling is haram? Because prize money games (e.g professional sports) is haram. Has anyone pointed this out to these professional athletes?
I always appreciate these video's bringing awareness too not only football's biggest issues but society's as a whole, i have some friends who are in the LGBTQ community so I'd consider myself an ally of the cause, unfortunately since covid the world as a whole has taken one massive step backwards from a homophobia, racist, migration stance and its so sad to see. All these marginalised communities have done a lot of work to help people and it feels like its all being undone, so when people like you make entensive deep dives into these issues with well researched and wonderfully articulated videos i for one appreciate it immensely! Keep up the amazing work!
A more light-hearted idea: talk about the rise of Farul Constanta, who just won the Romanian league title for the first time ever. It’s a gorgeous coastal city right on the Black Sea
For some reason, people seem to think or pretend to think as a deflection, that if you are against homophobia, then you are promoting gay people or are gay yourself.
I think at the end of the day you can't force anyone to be an ally. I don't think a player should be fined for their beliefs as long they enact them in the privacy of their own home and space. Because when someone is on the complete opposite side of your social issue the best you can get is tolerance or indifference.
If one side wants to stop discrimination and the other one wants to discriminate, you should actively take the side of the discriminated. This is not a "2 sides" issue, and history has shown when you leave young, angry, bigoted men go unchecked.
@1998Cebola But when in history has fighting hate with more hate, truly solved anything ? Especially when it's directed at the wrong people, these athletes aren't the ones actively denying LGBTQ members' lifestyles and rights as human beings attack the organizations who virtue signal but then allow them to do this or the bigoted countries in which you can literally be stoned to death for simply loving someone of the same sex. I'm just saying slapping some athletes on the wrist does nothing for the overall goal.
Thank you for this response, this is the first comment I’ve seen addressing the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and these players that are refusing to wear the pride flag on their backs are entitled to do so. If promoting homosexuality is against your beliefs, then you have the right to not promote it. These players are simply choosing to not promote an act/movement they find sinful, and these people are taking that as a hate crime.
@@dkramer This is going to sound crazy but this video is Alfie's opinion. My opinion is that these players are backwards hypocrites who should be called out publicly. Now what? Am I not entitled to express that opinion? Your 'opinions' are not sacred, inherently true or protected from judgement or response. Deal with it.
Everton should just close their eyes and pretend it's a lovely Sheila with a strap. That's what Tottenham does. It makes the reality more palpable.* *City fan drops mike and exits stage to the left.
10:06 - Bad analogy. Deliberate actions are different than DNA conditions that barely affect anything else. Simply not wanting to promote homosexualism if you don't approve the action and say that nonetheless homesexuals should be simply left in peace is more like a vegan not wanting to promote McDonald's. Simply people living their lives without forcing others into anything.
@@raphaelovicstrassovic9440 One can have any urges and choose to not act on them. I may feel horny for my friend's hot wife - and this doesn't mean I will flirt with her. Unless you think humans can act simply on instinct and not a rational mind.
@@rothbardfreedom yes but you can't control your urges. You cannot decide whether you are attracted to women or not. And if you are attracted to men then you can't simply choose to make out with women instead because you are simply not attracted to them
I strive to treat people with respect, even those I strongly disagree with. However, I feel no obligation to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. You are free to believe stupid things, and I am free to analyze and criticize your stupid beliefs.
11:40 I may be wrong to keep thinking your intelligent, but I really would be thought you'd know better than to say "oh you believe in this do you? Well here's this other unrelated thing that you're doing wrong.... If you are a liar, why do you claim to believe that murder is wrong?" Silly silly Alfie.
Got so much respect for how you use your platform. Its incredibly refreshing to hear a football TH-cam actually address social and economic issues regularly instead of pretending they don't exist within the game. Been watching every video for years and only just clocked im not subbed, quickly changed that.
what was hilarious to me is during the world cup game of USA vs England, the American players not kneeling down for the black lives matter thingy, while the English players did 😂😂 GEORGE FLOYD WAS AMERICAN!!! If they stopped, its time to stop it in England, because its now an empty gesture. These things last a week or max a month or so, before they become counter productive. When will it stop? Will they still be kneeling in 2-3 years? 😂 ridiculous...
@@csanadhorvath George Floyd was a shitty criminal who was resisting arrest and his deaths sparked a massive crime wave and the legit ponzi scheme known as BLM. There was little tragic about what happened to Floyd and the robberies and mass destruction just an excuse which set off a crime wave that still has not subsided to pre BLM levels in many places.
“Forced” you mean that queer people are finally being more represented in media? Truly what is being “forced” on you? The recognition that there are gay people in the world? No one wants to make you gay, no one wants to “shove anything down your throat” or whatever the newest homophobic buzzphrase is. Gay people exist, and have always existed, and sometimes we see them in shows and movies and sports and anywhere else we see people. Welcome to living in a society.
I mean you gotta respect the players choice to not play due to their reasons at end of the day every one have his own opinion and no one can tell them that their opinion is wrong as in my opinion them not wearing the LGBTQ coulours wont hurt that cuminity
Ok hear me out As a Muslim I understand them You can't support something that is haram LGBTQ people have all of our respect and that's what we expect back It's just like saying if you're not islamophoic go with Islamic people and help spreading Islam or wear shirts with Allah written on it That's not what you should expect from someone who's religious beliefs are different Also on side note sometimes Muslim being exclusive on what they think haram like he mentioned Gambling and Alcohol are just as haram they're also wrong
Archaic beliefs should not be tolerated in western society, especially in a country like France that has no religion and some of the strictest laws regarding religious garments. Addtionally, gambling and alcohol sponsors are absolutely everywhere in football, and im sure there are countless examples of Muslim players who play for teams/wear shirts that contain at least one of these or are sponsored by one. If as a Muslim you dont believe being gay is fine, thats okay, so long as you're willing to accept that you have to promote equality and diversity, including the various rainbow movements adopted within football. This is the west after all, and the rampant homophobia/prejudice within football is disgusting and disgraceful. By not participating, these players are actively part of the problem and, in my opinion, should not be allowed to play within these countries if they won't accept a simple act to help spread awareness. Nobody is saying be gay or be friends with gay people, theyre just trying to help stop prejudice, and bring eqaulity.
@@matthewchallis7786 as a Muslim Or a human being I have no problem in being a friend with gay And also I'm just saying either you should say no to both or you have to accept both there's no way in between
Always bringing attention to the injustices and politics through football/sports. I'm glad to see Alfie taking on these tough topics without hesitation, but I'm more delighted to see that his viewer base is just as supportive. Few sports channels I watch have such an understanding community, but I'm glad to see that this channel doesn't attract as many hateful idiots as other channels. Shouts out to Alfie and HITC community!
Sure... Very brave to make a video throwing red meat to his audience by focusing on whether half a dozen people are intolerant or not while sidestepping the fact that those people were prevented from working their jobs because they refused to participate in a political action. He even twisted the reports that generally said the players were prevented from playing to say they refused....
I believe in the significance of highlighting these issues on homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, sexism and racism is key but ablism is the highest form of discrimination and xenophobia in this world and we can see it in sports like football. We should all learn how ablism seeps into our society. Disability shouldn’t be used as a reason to oppress others but actually celebrate them for who they are like we do with those in the LGBTQ and ethnic minorities communities. Respect all, stop hate, together we can win as one!
Absolutely. My friend’s father used to take us to football matches all the time, but a few years ago he had a stroke and can’t walk anymore, now he can’t go to football matches
Sadly not everyone in the world shares the same views. But trying to force someone to believe what you believe is not the right way to change that. Many of these players are deep rooted in their religion, and in some religions homosexuality is deemed as wrong. If a player has been brought up with that religion then they have thought this way since a young age. Is that right? No. But expecting someone to change beliefs they have held for many years just because they play football isn't right either.
@@bubbli2360 not believing in god is a different case, but to think that only your thoughts are morally correct and everyone should support it, then you’re being hypocritical
@@MrPenguin-tw1rk based on that hitler should have been left to exterminate all races he considered non aryan. Because u know who are we to pass moral judgement on him.
As a gay man I have no problem with people who don’t except homosexuality for religious reasons or just personal reasons. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and views and I see no point in trying to change their minds as long as they don’t go out attacking gay/trans people I don’t care
I'm 100% with your view... Live and let live. That being said, the LGBT+++ political/social engineering groups, spend their time and money dividing and dealing out guilt. Sadly, many tolerant people buy the BS.
No it’s not ironic because you’re being Eurocentric and it shouldn’t matter to an African player that his name means something in a foreign language to him. That’s a very immature way to think about people and their languages. What difference would it make if I told you that your name in my native language means uncivilised baboon? Nothing to you.
The problem is this. If you believe in freedom including freedom of speech and expression then you have to acknowledge the right of others to disagree with you. That means every player should be absolutely entitled to express their own opinion on the pitch and off it. If that means wearing a rainbow armband or taking the knee then fine and good for them. If it means rolling our a Ukrainian flag that's fine too. But it's also just as fine to roll out a Palestinian flag. And it's perfectly fine to not take the knee. Or not to wear a rainbow armband for instance. The fact is however that currently some political statements are deemed not just acceptable but almost compulsory while similar alternative political statements and actions are then severely reprimanded or else totally forbidden. So who sets the rules to all this? The authorities. The media. Even the government. In a word, the establishment. Protest wasn't like this in the past. It was seldom imposed from above but most often rose up from below. In a word, it was democratic. And that's the problem here in a nutshell.
There's a very wide gap between "I think your beliefs suck, and I will call you out for them" and "you should be allowed to hold those beliefs, please face the wall".
authorities promoting anti-discrimination is a reaction to developements in our society, not the other way around. movements fighting discrimination were around way before any government adapted such policies and were often actively opposed by such governments.
@@NR-fd9wv That's true in the main part but also misses the bigger picture. Agendas shift. I'm against discrimination of all kinds but I'm also strictly in favour of freedom of speech and expression. These are two indivisible sides to liberalism.
@@TheRadPlayer Tbh I don't understand the point you're raising here. Freedom of speech is always restricted when it becomes incitement and this is obviously correct. In other cases we should be free to hold alternative opinions including ones that offend others and to express those opinions publicly. That's at the heart of freedom of speech and expression. It's defending the right of those you completely disagree with to have their opinions heard too.
Funny how people can quickly throw representation, tolerance and diversity out the window... in the name of representation, tolerance and diversity. But hey, because we are doing the right thing, I guess it's ok to be exactly what we all pretend to be fighting.👌🏾
Oh, the power of language. "Preferences", "convictions" and "beliefs" all implying that non-heteronormative sexuality is a choice to be actively made or withdrawn at will. One of the most harmful misconceptions weaponized by homophobic rhetoric, now complete with backhanded public endorsements of random footballers. Speaking of, have there been any non-Muslim players who have done similar things since the inception of such campaigns (not accounting for open raging homophobes)? In the US it is very common for Christians of various confessions to use religion as an excuse for similar behavior, banking on being in the majority in terms of belonging to what they perceive to still be the dominant culture in the region, and thus representing the "norm". Players discussed in the video seem to all either state or imply they are Muslim, letting the extrapolations flow from there that their stance and behavior should be excused from a workplace requirement (not to mention responsible civil behavior and modern role modeling) based on western pop culture understanding of Islam as involving anti-LGBTQ dogmas. So they are using tolerance and inclusivity that the campaign itself is supposed to promote to shield their choices from scrutiny, implying that requiring them to participate (or judging them for withdrawing) is a form of religious discrimination, all the while conveniently circumventing whether they actually prescribe to these beliefs or not. Basically, I wonder if anyone has had the balls yet to do this without hiding behind the excuse of maybe practicing a religion that famously leans homophobic in the eyes of westerners, or some such self-victimizing fallacy. That said, I heard today Di Maria said he will never again live in his hometown, after he made some remark about drug cartels running rampant there, and soon after his family receiving pointed death threats. So I was thinking while watching this video whether at least some players who have done something like this were indeed in situations where they would (soon or eventually) be inevitably going back home to places where having been part of a campaign like this would indeed put them and/or their loved ones in danger. Just because they can make all kinds of choices in France, doesn't mean there are no less obvious but still real consequences for them elsewhere. Although I imagine ones actually facing a situation like that would choose to do the smart thing and induce explosive diarrhea in themselves on the day of, instead of risking a public discussion of their actions (or inaction). [/devilsadvocate]
I'm the French voice among your subscribers. I don't like these campaigns : rainbow numbers, putting "respect" in kits during UEFA games, the knee during black lives matter, etc. While the sentiment is good, it's marketing. Nothing more, nothing less. If they actually cared about LGBT+ people and other issues, they would have done much better. The last example being Vinicius last night. As long as it doesn't hurt the business, it will go on. It has always been the case and sadly, I don't think it will change. As a Muslim, I can't support the cause as it is opposed to my believes. But it doesn't mean I accept that LGBT+ people deserve to be harassed, insulted and beaten up. Same with people who aren't Muslims or opposed to my political believes. And you're right : they mustn't promote betting companies and like Kanouté in the past, they must hide it. Shahid Afridi, a cricket player, hides a betting sponsor on his kit. So, if they wanted to, they would have hidden it with tape. I don't buy kits if they have a betting sponsor, or alcohol, cigarretes, junk food. Careful : Betclic isn't the sponsor of Toulouse. During Cup games in France, we don't have the same sponsor. It's either Betclic or Crédit Agricole, a French bank. At least, for this season. Toulouse's actual sponsor is LP Promotion, real estate company.
You will always be my favorite Football TH-cam for not standing for the ridiculous amounts of discrimination in Football. Thank you for all the work you do Alfie.
This is ridiculous. Pushing the LGBT agenda and everyone has to go along with it. Where's the freedom? I feel like the players are reasonable in saying they respect everyone. Someone can respect all people but not support this agenda. People can stand up and fight for peoples rights, but they don't have to promote it.
Why dont you take care of your own life? You dont need to do anything, actually not doing anything would help a lot. Focus on yourself instead of going for others.
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Next you could cover spanish football's racism crisis. It has come back to the spotlight due to the racial insults against Vinicius but it's no novelty. Just a bit over a decade ago fans legitimally threw bananas at players like Dani Alves when they went for corner kicks. I'd say it's one of spanish football's biggest issues, probably only behind the ridiculous amount of corruption in league ownership and the federation
brilliant idea
Also do something about the lack of diversity in Africa, they need to stop with the black supremacy!
Italy is much worse I only ever hear vini getting abused in Spain were it's every player of different skin colour in Italy
And the dani Alves banana was like 2010 not really relevant today
yes great idea
In Italy that's so prevalent that nobody seems to notice anymore.
Could you maybe cover the recent surge in hooliganism in dutch football? Groningen is basically controlled by the ultras these days
Yes, I think hooliganism in Dutch football deserves a video... too many incidents lately.
Yeah especially as west ham fans just experienced it with AZ ultras it must be on his radar
We (Groningen) indeed have a problem with a very small group (maybe +/- 50 people) of coked-out criminals who intimidate staff, stewards, and supporters. Last week v Ajax, they managed to sneak smoke bombs into the stadium by threatening stewards just to get the game abandoned asap. Some hooligans/criminals of other clubs, such as Beerschot of Belgium, are friends with them and were in attandance as well. It has been the worst season on the pitch in Groningen's history (18 points in 33 matches), but our club is rotten off the pitch as well. Worrying times...
Didn't one west ham fan hold back 100s of az fans from attacking families?
Did you guys see the story about the AZ Alkmaar ultras at the West Ham game? Horrific.
Plays for Everton suggesting he doesn’t mind being sodomised on a weekly basis is one of the best quotes this channel has come out with
I had such a good laugh at that line lmao
this guy makes a literal r*pe joke in the same video crying about people not wanting to wear a lgbt emblem, what a phoney hahahaha
@@Scalper10001 what part of the joke is homophobic ☠️ are you mad
@@Scalper10001 I'm no 'ally' of the LBGT cause but even I found that offensive and repellent. Shame on Alfie!
@@wife9571 Nobody uses the term 'sodomy' today. For good reason. Would it have been acceptable to say he doesn't mind being 'buggered' on a weekly basis?
I absolutely love it when someone can shift my perspective so effectively with one argument. Really well constructed and thought out. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
Thank you for listening and changing your mind Damien. All the best :)
It goes down the drain when you want to force people to ride with you.
It goes against what they want to supposedly promote.
Diversity and tolerance.... Only if you think and looks like me.
There is no argument from the start.
Using oppressive manners to fight oppression is never going to work.
Hi Damien, I'd be curious to hear what your position was beforehand and what argument made you change your mind?
@@sirterryratchett i can't exactly speak for him but I myself was homophbic due to the members of the LGBT people spreading unnesicary agenda everywhere and FORCING it upon kids
@@sirterryratchett it probably was on the statements made by the players and how they sounded somewhat understandable rather than outright homophobia but this video changed his mind
not part of the lgbtq community myself but i appreciate you, a big youtuber in the football community, constantly calling out homophobes, because the football fan community is brimming with them and it's incredibly dumb. thanks alfie.
Agreed mate. A bunch of loud-mouth brain-dead fannies giving the rest of us a bad name.
As a bi guy keep that bs out of football it's that simple. I don't want to see politics or agendas being pushed in football wether i agree with them or not. Some people have beliefs that disagree with others it's there right as long as they are not pushing for violence against people who have a different way of life. Stop trying to make people accept ways of life they don't agree with it's that simple.
@Blaze Pukka watch the video. Gambling and alcohol are shirt sponsors for clubs that these players play for, which are also haram. Surely this is a 'way of life they don't agree with' and should have a similar outrage towards these sponsors. Boycotting a campaign showing solidarity with people who've faced violence and prejudice because of their sexuality is such a self report and, as Alfie says, showcases why they're needed more.
@@blazepukka2264 and you don't get to disagree about gay people being allowed to live
if you find supporting them against homophobia absurd then you got issues
not everything requires your opinion, not everything is a debate
@@Adizero2 Exactly, what is it with these fools, it’s like saying you don’t believe in ginger-haired people lol
Since Homophobia is still such a big issue in world football, it is quite remarkable that you stand so clearly as an ally, aswell as basically educating ont this topic. Hats off for giving your voice to those, who still suffer from discrimination.
Gmafb. What a stupid made-up word that doesn't make any sense.
@@tigercap100 makes more sense than “gmafb”. Speak clearly if you’re trying to make a point about how something “doesn’t make sense”
@@tigercap100 what word is difficult for you to understand from the comment?
@@lenenlawless "homophobia". It means Afraid of Homosexuals. People use the term incorrectly. Not celebrating homosexuality does not = homophobia.
And it's not a "big issue" in football or anywhere. They're the most coddled, entitled group in the modern western world.
@@tigercap100 ahh I thought you was confused, nah you're just a nutter
Alfie, honestly, this is why we come here, no bullshit trying to appease everyone, you do your work, you use journalistic facts when you need to, you clearly separate them from your opinions and when you give your opinions you make them heard
Screw homophobia, period
He' appeasing the gays lol
@@FLIXD_JM199 defending your values and showing solidarity with a group you sympathise with is not appeasement.
@@FLIXD_JM199You either didn’t watch the video or are incredibly stupid. Probably both to be honest.
Yes it is appeasement.
If it was in support of the opposite, his video would be demonetised and most likely removed from TH-cam.
So he will never do something to jeopardise his videos will he.
So he has to show support.
Use some common sense.
Joe Mama and Craig Gibbons don't know what appease means. What a surprise, said no one.
i am 100% uneffected by the phobias you touched on in this video but You have brightened my day just by making this compassionate case for our lgbtq friends. Thank You!
What you said
I've had lots of football fans tell me that racism is worse than any other prejudice and that the other prejudices should be ignored. All prejudice in the game needs to be addressed
Well said 👏
Let’s create campaigns for all of our fat, disabled, blind, Downsyndrome, amputee, Transgender, homeless, poor, rich, white, Asian, black, gypsie, wheelchair using, and homosexual footballers then
@@isaacjones5687 yes, why not?
Or better yet - none of it.
@@Nemophilist850 Why?
Betclic is the exclusive sponsor of the French Cup and a team in every match must wear it as the shirt sponsor. Toulouse’s shirt sponsor in league matches is a real estate developer. Zakaria Aboukhlal could have upheld his belief against gambling by refusing to play in the French cup to promote the betting sponsor. So to people on your twitter who claim that he couldn’t choose Toulouse’s sponsor and had no choice in wearing it, he did and could have refused then.
I'm not sure if you'll see this, Alfie, but I'm a queer woman. Despite loving your content I fear watching this video might end up just upsetting me due to the circumstances through no fault of your own. I just wanted to say that youre probably the only football channel that hasn't ever made me feel bad for being a woman or for being gay. I thank you for that, truly.
Thank you for saying exactly how I felt too. I’m saddened by the lack of views but I hope Alfie knows that we support him and feel his support, too.
how tf would football chanell make you feel bad,that's bs
@@nikolasavic9275 prolly cuz a lot of football channels and fans r casually homophobic and football is seen as a masculine sport with female fans and players being thought of as a joke
@@nikolasavic9275 so you know how a random person on the internet feels? Are you some kinda wizard? 🤡
@@nikolasavic9275 many football channels openly back owners known for homophobia (like the United stand)
I do think campaigns like this are quite important when there is a seemingly large proportion of young football fans online who are homophobic, if say a 13 or 14 year old boy sees mbappe or another of their idols supporting LGBT people then it could push them to more tolerant beliefs, this is amplified by footballs large audience.
I'm trans ftm and my bf is trans ftm. Glad to have an ally, was very respectful in this video and agree with everything you said. I do not understand the hate for anybody honestly. Aslong as you respect me, I'll respect you back and that's how it should be but unfortunately it's not which is why these things need to be talked about.
this channel is my save haven. being a bisexual football fan it is pretty tiring seeing constant anti-lgbtq or even other forms of bigotry and hatred within the online community. love that there are football fans that do advocate for basic human rights, even if it’s a minority (which is scary)
You are valid. Football is for everyone. Everyone against the LGBTQ+ community but calls themselves a football fan has missed the entire meaning of the game
So what, do you want everyone be like "Congrats for being bisexual you are amazing" thats pathetic, you are not special nor am I.
You guys are attacking anyone who doesn't support you "cause", you guys have respect only for the ones who think like you... If someone doesn't want to wear that stupid rainbow doesn't mean they hate you they just don't want to be forced into doing something they are not confortable with.
@@Kooptj People don't want "congratulations". They want "I'm not going to verbally or physically attack you for no other reason than you are LGBT+" why are people not comfortable wearing it? Does the discomfort come from supporting something they hate? Usually if someone is at least completely neutral to an issue, there is no argument for or against supporting anything
@@Dunny261the discomfort can be from having a religious belief or the belief that politics shouldn't collide with sports, something a lot of people hold. I am against the gay armbands etc yet I do accept gay people for who they are. It's not about intollerance it's about needless politicalisation of entertainment and sports. (If it's not that person is just bad tho)
How do you feel about the "Kick it out" campaign for racism? Is that also politicising sport, or is that more acceptable for you?
Well done Alfie, eloquently written and props to you for being an ally as well as an advocate for more conversation.
An ally of the T, who advocate for child abuse and mutilation.
Yeah alfies a real hero.
since this is a comment which may be viewed I will say this here. Whilst Alfie's point at 9:28 is valid about the fact that it was a campaign to say "do not abuse or discriminate against gay people" people tend to misunderstand context a lot. For example when I was younger I used to always say in class about how much I love Messi and then people would say I was gay. Far from it I loved everything about Messi but just not erotically (and there are many more instances of my life with people misunderstanding context). I could give you another. When I was younger some people and I were arguing about whether or not we only inhale Oxygen and only exhale Carbon Dioxide (being the smart one that I am, I obviously said that we inhale all gases that would be in our proximity.) They then went to a girl who was older than us and went to a quite reputable University and she did not agree with me. They also made it a point to tell me that she went to a good University. Then I said, not because she goes to a reputable University means that she is exempted from being stupid. They then went and told the girl that I said she was stupid. Similarly with those three players. If they go and participate in anything that supports, upholds, defends, legalizes, raises awareness etc. it may just be taken out of context.
So, you're also an "ally" of the same intolerant viewpoint this video promotes?
It’s a sad reality that football is pretty far behind the times in terms of social acceptance. Racism is still rampant (Vinicius Junior is probably the biggest example right now but definitely not the only one), homophobia is even more rampant (just ask yourself how many players have come out of the closet the way Jakub Jankto or Thomas Hitzlsperger did and even those two have faced a lot of backlash) and we don’t do anything about it just because clubs don’t want to lose the support of said racist/homophobic fans. Brilliant video Alfie as per usual. It’s amazing how you have been able to put out amazing content on a consistent basis for the last 6 years.
Football is absolutely behind socially, and a lot of people want to keep it that way
There's no such thing as "behind the times". There is the culture of the people, and then the manufactured culture that the state and corporations try to create for us.
@@Nemophilist850 I don’t agree with this. If this were true, then we would see the same patterns of racism, homophobia and general hooliganism we see in men’s football in other areas and that’s verifiably untrue (women’s football for instance, but also in other non football related areas)
@@Nemophilist850 You know where you can shove your stupid conspiracies. Cultures aren't monolithic.
@@Nemophilist850I think the evidence is pretty clear considering anyone that isn't a 15-30 year old roided r'tard is fleeing watching live football in the stands. Football culture is medieval in comparisson to the culture at large.
Been watching/listening to you for years and due to being trans, I always slightly fear what youtubers/artists would think about me, due to being met with quiete a bit of discrimantion from strangers. I'm over the moon happy, after this video & I don't see any other football-youtuber speaking about these lgbtq+ rights or even acknowladging that this is happening. Thank you so much! ♡
Same here, as a bisexual football fan I have had to hide who I am in fear of being beaten up
I'm a furry
@@usernameisusernamegood for you man.
That's lovely to hear. ❤ Everyone should be accepted for who they are, and what they believe in. I think the world be a far better place if everyone could hold on to those values/morals - Truly.
I'd really like to know your thoughts on whether the footballers who chose not to participate in the Campaign discussed in this video, were treated with the same level of respect, and support, for their own beliefs, as you personally felt from this video?
Personally, i think the moral of this, is that we need to be accepting, whether we agree or disagree.
The footballers who opted not to take part in the campaign, could have instead, continued to play, but not wear the colors - which IMO would be far more disrespectful and 'Phobic' than what they did, which was respectfully, opt out.
If they truly believe that they should not participate, then put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself, WWYD? I think you'd do exactly what they did.
So, I say leave them alone, respect their beliefs, and be thankful that respect is being shown, all around. Surely, that's the harmonious way forward right?
This video is not very nice to the people who are being respectful towards your cause....
@@bludmoon4508 You're comparing their right to express their beliefs with other people's right to live a peaceable existence.
And if you'd watched the video, you'd know how stupid that argument is.
I don't often comment on videos but I just wanted to say thank you, Alfie, for always going above and beyond on this topic. It can be a disheartening space to be involved in for LGBTQ+ football fans and it means a lot to have a content creator go beyond the bare minimum of allyship!
fire burn
Still wondering what rainbow flags or sexuality have to do with football but whatever
@@ILKILO1 easy answer! it’s people who both play and follow football as a sport. a certain percentage of those people happen to be lgbtq+ and deserve to feel welcome in football spaces. hope this helps!
@@aarondickinson23 funny that you mention a certain percentage....because the lgbt community is less than 5% of the world population but look how everybody must bend over backwards for them....
@@ILKILO1 absolutely nothing bro.. stupid woke stuff
'maybe he's really bad at budgeting' while his Villa shirt contains the Quickbooks sponsor is one of your most sublime moments yet, ngl
"you should respect my disrespect"
No, you should just leave me the f*** alone. I don't want to tell you who to have sex with, you shouldn't be telling me pay homage to your sexuality.
So you’re justifying Islamophobia and Christophobia?
@@bjehulk your strawman is showing
@@bjehulk I'm Catholic
You're doing a world class reporting that is better than most main stream media. Much respect
Unfortunate but extremely necessary video, thanks Alfie, let's kick bigotry out of football
Lets kick white supremacy out of football first.
Comments about to be a mess on this one! But needs to be done, big up Alfie.
Impressive how these players managed to post such long statements about how they wanted their own personal beliefs to be respected without stating what, exactly, those personal beliefs are. Almost like they know that those personal beliefs would be obviously and blatantly homophobic if they said them outright.
Top work as always Alfie.
Why does anyone, regardless if they are a world famous athlete or a working class guy, owe you an explanation of their beliefs.
Do you have even the slightest clue how big of a hypocrite you are?
YOU do not get to demand (or in your case, passive aggressively write a cloying, self congratulatory comment in a random video about football and homophobia) a response from ANYONE, let alone a Superstar athlete.
Nobody likes discrimination. It's just that you are going about pointing it out in the wrong way
@@BobSmith-cq9xb the players are the ones who chose not to play and cited their personal beliefs as the reason for making that choice. Not sure what's hypocritical about expecting them to state what those beliefs are if they're using them as a reason for not playing. And, given that they cited those beliefs to get out of taking part in an anti-discrimination event, not quite sure how it shows that 'nobody likes discrimination' either.
@@EvilAsmodean religion isnt enough?
@@joshsymon6992 no that's such a donkey reason for being homophobic and if religion was so important they wouldn't wear betting sponsors would they lad
@@joshsymon6992 dude just watch the video for an explanation why religion is indeed not enough
I think the huge issue in France, and really in the UK too in terms of the pro-LGBT things in football, it comes off as extremely tone deaf since most of the ownership groups are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar or UAE, in all three nations gay relationships are illegal, and in Saudi Arabia it could get you thrown off a building.
ding ding ding! spot on! empty gestures knowing who the higher ups are at the club! nothing worse than empty gestures, even having nothing would be better than that, as this way, we all know they are just doing it for image, THEY KNOW its wrong, and still continue to do it... embarassing
And Spain has a racism crisis. Crazy times
And Indonesia has a crisis with too many things. Crazy times.
And the Netherlands has a hooligan crisis. Crazy times.
Spain is racist, the homophobia crisis in france is against the homophobia lol, some players are homophobic and protest, different situation
@@VictorDurand-me5yu you mean Christian and nothing wrong with that, the fact that they want to call it a phobia rather than debate tells us all
@@stuartpenman6387 Religion is nit an excuse to be a shitty human, sorry.
The # being WeAreAllIdrissa is so funny because WeAreAllGueye would be absolutely hilarious in the most ironic of ways
Thank you for picking up this topic. As a queer woman in football spaces it is great to hear a straight man take the work upon themselves to speak about problems and educate others. Great and responsible use of your platform.
A queer woman in football spaces? Oh God, I wish you only the best of luck and much strength, keep it up.
Best of luck my friend
You and your kind are ruining football. I hope you're happy 😡
@@Morgan_Black I found my niche, podcasting, going to the games that feel safe. Thank you!
Nice pfp
Thank you as always Alfie. I first became interested in the beautiful game in high school as I grew into myself. I have a background in American football, played it for years, but reached a turning point in my late teens as I just couldn’t take the constant homophobia, racism, and bullying associated with American football culture. Within American football culture, association football is often seen as “gay” or effeminate, and often referred to in homophobic terms. So naturally, I gravitated more towards it as I moved further away from the sport that didn’t accept me. I saw supporters like the Portland Timbers army and St.Pauli ultras and countless others waving rainbow flags, singing Bella Ciao, being intimidating and accepting at the same time. I found a sporting culture that actually felt more open to someone like me and many of the people I love. Many years later, it’s quite ironic to look back on my younger self, believing that global football would be a less homophobic place than the American football I was raised around. At the end of the day, I fell in love with the beautiful game and will likely never fall out of love with it, but the culture around it must be improved. We need to keep fighting for a better future for football, one in which homophobia, racism, misogyny, and all forms of discrimination are not tolerated. Thanks for being a leader in that fight Alfie. Your impact is real, and your words are valued by many of us.
But football should be football, it shouldn't be a platform to force things on people
@@theredhall-thisisfootball do you even understand racism and homophobia? It's fine if you don't like or agree with the idea. but being a racist or homophobia, you're simply not just 'not agreeing'. It is much more, and it has direct 'consequence' to the subject being discriminated against. like yeah you can hate queer player all you like but you CAN'T go around beating them or hurl insults or arrest someone because they have different skin color. I think the gist is to be more tolerant and accepting.
All of the anti gay rhetoric spouted in the comments on posts about Gueye and the Qatar world cup over the last couple of years have really made me lose my love for football. I appreciate you making a video like this Alfie although I know for a fact most homophobes don't listen to logic.
Same, other than Alfie cause of videos like this, I've completely removed myself from all football spaces online cause of the hatred present and I just watch the games by myself and that's it
He’s Muslim it’s against he’s religion and don’t see a problem in as long as he’s not hating on anyone
@@UrMom-qw4pz It's against his religion to support an anti discrimination campaign? Did you actually watch the video?
@@Scalper10001 bro the rainbow numbers were for international day against homophobia. The rainbow is associated with pride but the numbers weren’t to do with pride.
@@mattlook1573 that's your perspective. How can a symbol symbolizes one thing everywhere, everyday but suddenly mean something the next?The EXACT symbol. You can't just literally make a new meaning for the symbol for one day and the next. Am I the only see the obvious b.s?Extremism with a pretty clolourful rainbow on top is all I can see where members justify villinizing non-conformers in hope "betterment of the world". History repeating,over, over and over again with a little.change in settings. Why didn't we think of this for racism?
Lets.make a flag together, says it means all life matter bs and if obviously the persons who refuse to wear it for whatever reason are obviously racist to their core. Easy way to find the bigots and shut them down right? All person who didn't do BLM thing for whatever reasons which were many are just backwards fools right cause All lives do matter and not participating objectively show they don't care about all lives. Let's extend this to charities too, if you don't contribute to the cause of a certain charity, you clearly hate it. No excuse is worth saving a life after all. Isn't this all for the "GREATER GOOD?".
"I respect gay people, but my beliefs keep me from supporting their movement" And what belief could that be, other than homophobia ? Doesnt make any sense
Islam ?
Well find one that says the respect gays first 😂
@@blackniall8509more like schizophrenia cause his imaginary friend demands him to hate gay folk 😂
Thank you for always speaking up about these issues. It means so much when so much of the football discussion online is laced with homophobia or homophobia apologia
Most people who spent their lives on-line are shitty hate-filled people desperate to get into fights with people they don't know
What is homophobia?
@@MrISkater The intense and irrational dislike of gay people.
I see it being much more laced with intolerance disguised as anti homophobism. You're a prime example...
Thank you again Alfie, not mincing any words here, truly a breath of fresh air 👏 fuck homophobia, racism and any form of bigotry 🖕
Mincing is a poor choice of wording
@@isaacjones5687what would you recommend instead?
@@isaacjones5687 😂
@@isaacjones5687hehehe, he said mincing.
Gay.
As usual, very high quality. Thank you for being constructive as always!
As an Asexual man I’m used to being erased 😂 love you brother. This video is so good.
People erase you because you don't like sex?
No they don't.
Thank you for an excellent video, which was well explained and with a light touch. I still remember the suicide of Justin Fashanu in an era of football that was even more bigoted and hostile to gays.
“I want you to respect my belief that you’re sub human, will burn in hell and shouldn’t live” religion is wild man.
If you don’t believe in said religious belief, why do you care so much of what these people who believe in fairytales according to you think
@@Utoob8 because those people also happen to be in positions to spread hatred?
@@Setsunascarletstorm24 Their opinion would be you're in a position to spread a crime against God. Two can play that game.
I'm pretty sure your boy Alfie supported them refugees entering that very likely held such beliefs in a different video.
@@Utoob8I care what people who believe in the space fairies think because it leads them to hate and fear people who are different to them.
Alfie, thank you for videos like this, you give me hope for the world ❤
lmaooooo the line about Gaye not minding being sodomised playing for everton killed me dead
On the flip side, I have a lot of respect for the muslim players who DIDN'T boycott. It's a very low bar, but I'm glad it was cleared
Why would you have respect for them? They chose money over their values.
@@Nemophilist850 most players got payed their wage if they play or not so claiming that they chose 'money over morals' isn' a very valid claim
@@theoneandonly5371 Of course it is. This stuff will have all sorts of ramification for future deals.
That's a silver lining yes. France has a lot of Muslim players and only 3 decided to be bigots.
@@Scalper10001 Bigoted people will never cease to exist unfortunately but at least we get to call them out.
It’s so laughable the way they release statements with the word respect in them 10000000 times
Found myself agreeing with literally every Single point.
Seriously, is it so hard to just let gay people....live? Like, is that really so genuinely difficult?
Yes! Idrissa Gueye WAS stopping gay people from living! I'm glad someone else spotted this!
Who is stopping them to live.
@@s.m952 11 countries where they are put to death?
Yes, it ruins society. Look at the western world as proof
@@user-ih3jl9um6e they will not change that.
As a queer football fan, it couldn't be more obvious to me that all these awareness campaigns were designed by heterosexual cisgender people. I am totally in favour of awareness campaigns, but they shouldn't be designed in a way that allows homophobes to hijack the entire thing. Campaigns that force everyone to participate only serve to give a platform to homophobia, which only makes me feel less safe if anything. Besides, the point shouldn't be to convert the person wearing the mandated rainbow colours to a life of love and acceptance, it should be to foster a gradual change in football culture; one that goes beyond the 22 on the field. My personal approach would be to specifically identify players and managers at each club who genuinely want to make a statement against homophobia. This way, players who don't want to participate in it don't get to claim they're being forced to comply and the focus will be on the actual role models instead.
That is the nature of capitalism. They don’t seek to improve inclusivity, they want their rainbow-printed merchs to be sold.
Can we please leave the word cisgender in 2023 it's the most redundant pointless word in the English language.
@@KingChaddii it literally doesn't matter if you say cisgender or 'not transgender'. I beg you please go worry about something important.
@Brian Storm Transgender has a meaning. Cisgender is false label with no real meaning. Essentially a buzz word
Don't call them CIS genderd. Its called a normal human being...
Your knowledge of football, society and ability to understand everyone’s point whilst also sticking to your morales in your opinion. Makes this the greatest football TH-cam account.
6:33 people are allowed to hold their own beliefs. Just like you're allowed to hold yours. As long as they don't harm others. Respect his own personal beliefs.
Tolerance is not forcing others to believe what you believe, but allowing them to hold their own views
Nope, tolerance doesn’t tolerate intolerance
If your believe goes against humans, it won’t be tolerated
@@andreasgamperl9583
So you don't like Islam?
@@andreasgamperl9583 The ability or practice of tolerating; an acceptance of or patience with the beliefs, opinions or practices of others. From Latin "tolerō" meaning" endure. To put up with.
Also, how do you not see the irony in saying "tolerance doesn't tolerate ..."? 😂🤣😂 If it doesn't tolerate, it is, by definition, NOT tolerance
Do you tolerate nazis and neonazis?
Do you know why gambling is haram? Because prize money games (e.g professional sports) is haram. Has anyone pointed this out to these professional athletes?
I agree with him. Athletes shouldn't be expected to be political.
I always appreciate these video's bringing awareness too not only football's biggest issues but society's as a whole, i have some friends who are in the LGBTQ community so I'd consider myself an ally of the cause, unfortunately since covid the world as a whole has taken one massive step backwards from a homophobia, racist, migration stance and its so sad to see. All these marginalised communities have done a lot of work to help people and it feels like its all being undone, so when people like you make entensive deep dives into these issues with well researched and wonderfully articulated videos i for one appreciate it immensely! Keep up the amazing work!
you think 40% of the country being muslim might have something to do with the homophobia?
@@letsmakeit110 Was just thinking that.
Funny that you have such awareness of what the world thinks when I bet you're just a dumb Anglo monolingual...
Oh man, that Everton reference got me bro 😂😂😂😂😂
A more light-hearted idea: talk about the rise of Farul Constanta, who just won the Romanian league title for the first time ever. It’s a gorgeous coastal city right on the Black Sea
Not to mention that they were essentially the boyhood club of Gheorghe Hagi, the greatest Romanian footballer ever
For some reason, people seem to think or pretend to think as a deflection, that if you are against homophobia, then you are promoting gay people or are gay yourself.
Not for the first time, well said 👏 ✊️
I think at the end of the day you can't force anyone to be an ally. I don't think a player should be fined for their beliefs as long they enact them in the privacy of their own home and space. Because when someone is on the complete opposite side of your social issue the best you can get is tolerance or indifference.
If one side wants to stop discrimination and the other one wants to discriminate, you should actively take the side of the discriminated. This is not a "2 sides" issue, and history has shown when you leave young, angry, bigoted men go unchecked.
"you can't force someone to not be a worthless discriminatory cunt"
@1998Cebola But when in history has fighting hate with more hate, truly solved anything ? Especially when it's directed at the wrong people, these athletes aren't the ones actively denying LGBTQ members' lifestyles and rights as human beings attack the organizations who virtue signal but then allow them to do this or the bigoted countries in which you can literally be stoned to death for simply loving someone of the same sex. I'm just saying slapping some athletes on the wrist does nothing for the overall goal.
Thank you for this response, this is the first comment I’ve seen addressing the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and these players that are refusing to wear the pride flag on their backs are entitled to do so. If promoting homosexuality is against your beliefs, then you have the right to not promote it. These players are simply choosing to not promote an act/movement they find sinful, and these people are taking that as a hate crime.
@@dkramer This is going to sound crazy but this video is Alfie's opinion. My opinion is that these players are backwards hypocrites who should be called out publicly. Now what? Am I not entitled to express that opinion? Your 'opinions' are not sacred, inherently true or protected from judgement or response. Deal with it.
As an Everton fan, I respectably respect the Everton joke
Everton should just close their eyes and pretend it's a lovely Sheila with a strap. That's what Tottenham does. It makes the reality more palpable.*
*City fan drops mike and exits stage to the left.
10:06 - Bad analogy. Deliberate actions are different than DNA conditions that barely affect anything else.
Simply not wanting to promote homosexualism if you don't approve the action and say that nonetheless homesexuals should be simply left in peace is more like a vegan not wanting to promote McDonald's.
Simply people living their lives without forcing others into anything.
Homosexuality is nothing you choose
@@raphaelovicstrassovic9440 One can have any urges and choose to not act on them. I may feel horny for my friend's hot wife - and this doesn't mean I will flirt with her.
Unless you think humans can act simply on instinct and not a rational mind.
@@rothbardfreedom yes but you can't control your urges. You cannot decide whether you are attracted to women or not. And if you are attracted to men then you can't simply choose to make out with women instead because you are simply not attracted to them
Great Vid! Its just a thing on a shirt, absolutely killed me.
6:20 - this may be one of your best one-liners so far. This is the quality content I come for.
Alfie was in rare form for this one, absolutely demolished 😂
I strive to treat people with respect, even those I strongly disagree with. However, I feel no obligation to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. You are free to believe stupid things, and I am free to analyze and criticize your stupid beliefs.
11:40 I may be wrong to keep thinking your intelligent, but I really would be thought you'd know better than to say "oh you believe in this do you? Well here's this other unrelated thing that you're doing wrong.... If you are a liar, why do you claim to believe that murder is wrong?"
Silly silly Alfie.
easily the best football channel out
Got so much respect for how you use your platform. Its incredibly refreshing to hear a football TH-cam actually address social and economic issues regularly instead of pretending they don't exist within the game. Been watching every video for years and only just clocked im not subbed, quickly changed that.
Well the guy just glossed over the fact that people were prevented from working their just because they refused to participate in a political campaign
Thanks for making this video Alfie. It is infuriating seeing the number of bigots in the online football space.
what was hilarious to me is during the world cup game of USA vs England, the American players not kneeling down for the black lives matter thingy, while the English players did 😂😂 GEORGE FLOYD WAS AMERICAN!!! If they stopped, its time to stop it in England, because its now an empty gesture. These things last a week or max a month or so, before they become counter productive. When will it stop? Will they still be kneeling in 2-3 years? 😂 ridiculous...
@@csanadhorvath George Floyd was a shitty criminal who was resisting arrest and his deaths sparked a massive crime wave and the legit ponzi scheme known as BLM. There was little tragic about what happened to Floyd and the robberies and mass destruction just an excuse which set off a crime wave that still has not subsided to pre BLM levels in many places.
That Everton joke was next level 😂😂😂
I think people are more tired of the forced nature that comes with lgbtq… from cinema, children shows and sports and etc…
“Forced” you mean that queer people are finally being more represented in media? Truly what is being “forced” on you? The recognition that there are gay people in the world? No one wants to make you gay, no one wants to “shove anything down your throat” or whatever the newest homophobic buzzphrase is. Gay people exist, and have always existed, and sometimes we see them in shows and movies and sports and anywhere else we see people. Welcome to living in a society.
Forced nature?
Videos like this are why Alfie is the best football content creator
I respect the Muslim players to be true to themselves, their culture and religion
I mean you gotta respect the players choice to not play due to their reasons at end of the day every one have his own opinion and no one can tell them that their opinion is wrong as in my opinion them not wearing the LGBTQ coulours wont hurt that cuminity
Frankly I think this is brilliant and really well put together.
Ok hear me out
As a Muslim I understand them
You can't support something that is haram
LGBTQ people have all of our respect and that's what we expect back
It's just like saying if you're not islamophoic go with Islamic people and help spreading Islam or wear shirts with Allah written on it
That's not what you should expect from someone who's religious beliefs are different
Also on side note sometimes Muslim being exclusive on what they think haram like he mentioned
Gambling and Alcohol are just as haram they're also wrong
Archaic beliefs should not be tolerated in western society, especially in a country like France that has no religion and some of the strictest laws regarding religious garments. Addtionally, gambling and alcohol sponsors are absolutely everywhere in football, and im sure there are countless examples of Muslim players who play for teams/wear shirts that contain at least one of these or are sponsored by one. If as a Muslim you dont believe being gay is fine, thats okay, so long as you're willing to accept that you have to promote equality and diversity, including the various rainbow movements adopted within football. This is the west after all, and the rampant homophobia/prejudice within football is disgusting and disgraceful. By not participating, these players are actively part of the problem and, in my opinion, should not be allowed to play within these countries if they won't accept a simple act to help spread awareness. Nobody is saying be gay or be friends with gay people, theyre just trying to help stop prejudice, and bring eqaulity.
@@matthewchallis7786 as a Muslim
Or a human being I have no problem in being a friend with gay
And also I'm just saying either you should say no to both or you have to accept both there's no way in between
Ok but they’re Advertising sports betting and gambling every day and that’s haram. Where the line or are they just pieces of shit?
seeing people comment counter arguments that alfie literally addresses and debunks in the video is pretty funny lmao
I am once again asking for a video about Algeria's unofficial FLN national team (1958-1962)
As a gay Newcastle United fan thank you for making this video.
Every newcastle fan is gay tbh
Your club is being used to sportwash a regime that actively persecutes homosexual people.
You should stop supporting Newcastle
Putting the word gay before Newcastle fan is kinda redundant isn't it...
You’re still able to support a club who’s owners would happily see you murdered?
Oh yeah...was only a joke buddy. Can't see the other comments so just clearing that up.
massive appreciation for using your voice and platform in this way ❤
People are fed up with football being politicised though most people know that they should treat people with respect they don't need childish lectures
That is simply not true
Honestly, W French football fans. Not standing up for all this woke bs.
You didn't watch the video.
Keep up the good work on the tough topics! The best football page on TH-cam easily. 💪🏽
Finally a reason to support the French league
Always bringing attention to the injustices and politics through football/sports. I'm glad to see Alfie taking on these tough topics without hesitation, but I'm more delighted to see that his viewer base is just as supportive. Few sports channels I watch have such an understanding community, but I'm glad to see that this channel doesn't attract as many hateful idiots as other channels. Shouts out to Alfie and HITC community!
Sure... Very brave to make a video throwing red meat to his audience by focusing on whether half a dozen people are intolerant or not while sidestepping the fact that those people were prevented from working their jobs because they refused to participate in a political action. He even twisted the reports that generally said the players were prevented from playing to say they refused....
This video was a breath of fresh air. Also, 6:19 had me wheezing 😭
I believe in the significance of highlighting these issues on homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, sexism and racism is key but ablism is the highest form of discrimination and xenophobia in this world and we can see it in sports like football. We should all learn how ablism seeps into our society. Disability shouldn’t be used as a reason to oppress others but actually celebrate them for who they are like we do with those in the LGBTQ and ethnic minorities communities. Respect all, stop hate, together we can win as one!
I strongly agree. Also stadiums need to accommodate more ways to support people with disabilities.!
@@Setsunascarletstorm24 Beyond wheelchair ramps and (in case it is needed) escalators, what can they do?
Absolutely. My friend’s father used to take us to football matches all the time, but a few years ago he had a stroke and can’t walk anymore, now he can’t go to football matches
Why should you be used as a billboard for anything, it's football! And no one should be bullied to do something they don't want.
Seeing you ratio Aboukhlal was gorgeous.
Sadly not everyone in the world shares the same views. But trying to force someone to believe what you believe is not the right way to change that. Many of these players are deep rooted in their religion, and in some religions homosexuality is deemed as wrong. If a player has been brought up with that religion then they have thought this way since a young age. Is that right? No. But expecting someone to change beliefs they have held for many years just because they play football isn't right either.
Accepting discriminatory beliefs just because of some poxy excuse like religion isn't ok either.
your little fictional space man is not an excuse for discrimination
@@bubbli2360 not believing in god is a different case, but to think that only your thoughts are morally correct and everyone should support it, then you’re being hypocritical
@@bubbli2360So what’s your excuse for your discrimination?
@@MrPenguin-tw1rk based on that hitler should have been left to exterminate all races he considered non aryan. Because u know who are we to pass moral judgement on him.
As a gay man I have no problem with people who don’t except homosexuality for religious reasons or just personal reasons. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and views and I see no point in trying to change their minds as long as they don’t go out attacking gay/trans people I don’t care
I'm 100% with your view... Live and let live. That being said, the LGBT+++ political/social engineering groups, spend their time and money dividing and dealing out guilt. Sadly, many tolerant people buy the BS.
i agree mate if anyone has a problem with us then stay away why are they even coming to talk
isn't it ironic that he's called gueye?
Yes. The video is about both Gay Rights and Gueye Rights.
No it’s not ironic because you’re being Eurocentric and it shouldn’t matter to an African player that his name means something in a foreign language to him. That’s a very immature way to think about people and their languages. What difference would it make if I told you that your name in my native language means uncivilised baboon? Nothing to you.
Respect, Alfie! Love how you address this topic
The problem is this. If you believe in freedom including freedom of speech and expression then you have to acknowledge the right of others to disagree with you. That means every player should be absolutely entitled to express their own opinion on the pitch and off it. If that means wearing a rainbow armband or taking the knee then fine and good for them. If it means rolling our a Ukrainian flag that's fine too. But it's also just as fine to roll out a Palestinian flag. And it's perfectly fine to not take the knee. Or not to wear a rainbow armband for instance. The fact is however that currently some political statements are deemed not just acceptable but almost compulsory while similar alternative political statements and actions are then severely reprimanded or else totally forbidden. So who sets the rules to all this? The authorities. The media. Even the government. In a word, the establishment. Protest wasn't like this in the past. It was seldom imposed from above but most often rose up from below. In a word, it was democratic. And that's the problem here in a nutshell.
Also remember, disagreeing doesn’t mean wanting people to go to hell, which isn’t applied to the majority of religious people here
There's a very wide gap between "I think your beliefs suck, and I will call you out for them" and "you should be allowed to hold those beliefs, please face the wall".
authorities promoting anti-discrimination is a reaction to developements in our society, not the other way around. movements fighting discrimination were around way before any government adapted such policies and were often actively opposed by such governments.
@@NR-fd9wv That's true in the main part but also misses the bigger picture. Agendas shift. I'm against discrimination of all kinds but I'm also strictly in favour of freedom of speech and expression. These are two indivisible sides to liberalism.
@@TheRadPlayer Tbh I don't understand the point you're raising here. Freedom of speech is always restricted when it becomes incitement and this is obviously correct. In other cases we should be free to hold alternative opinions including ones that offend others and to express those opinions publicly. That's at the heart of freedom of speech and expression. It's defending the right of those you completely disagree with to have their opinions heard too.
Funny how people can quickly throw representation, tolerance and diversity out the window... in the name of representation, tolerance and diversity.
But hey, because we are doing the right thing, I guess it's ok to be exactly what we all pretend to be fighting.👌🏾
Oh, the power of language. "Preferences", "convictions" and "beliefs" all implying that non-heteronormative sexuality is a choice to be actively made or withdrawn at will. One of the most harmful misconceptions weaponized by homophobic rhetoric, now complete with backhanded public endorsements of random footballers.
Speaking of, have there been any non-Muslim players who have done similar things since the inception of such campaigns (not accounting for open raging homophobes)? In the US it is very common for Christians of various confessions to use religion as an excuse for similar behavior, banking on being in the majority in terms of belonging to what they perceive to still be the dominant culture in the region, and thus representing the "norm". Players discussed in the video seem to all either state or imply they are Muslim, letting the extrapolations flow from there that their stance and behavior should be excused from a workplace requirement (not to mention responsible civil behavior and modern role modeling) based on western pop culture understanding of Islam as involving anti-LGBTQ dogmas. So they are using tolerance and inclusivity that the campaign itself is supposed to promote to shield their choices from scrutiny, implying that requiring them to participate (or judging them for withdrawing) is a form of religious discrimination, all the while conveniently circumventing whether they actually prescribe to these beliefs or not. Basically, I wonder if anyone has had the balls yet to do this without hiding behind the excuse of maybe practicing a religion that famously leans homophobic in the eyes of westerners, or some such self-victimizing fallacy.
That said, I heard today Di Maria said he will never again live in his hometown, after he made some remark about drug cartels running rampant there, and soon after his family receiving pointed death threats. So I was thinking while watching this video whether at least some players who have done something like this were indeed in situations where they would (soon or eventually) be inevitably going back home to places where having been part of a campaign like this would indeed put them and/or their loved ones in danger. Just because they can make all kinds of choices in France, doesn't mean there are no less obvious but still real consequences for them elsewhere. Although I imagine ones actually facing a situation like that would choose to do the smart thing and induce explosive diarrhea in themselves on the day of, instead of risking a public discussion of their actions (or inaction). [/devilsadvocate]
I'm the French voice among your subscribers.
I don't like these campaigns : rainbow numbers, putting "respect" in kits during UEFA games, the knee during black lives matter, etc. While the sentiment is good, it's marketing. Nothing more, nothing less.
If they actually cared about LGBT+ people and other issues, they would have done much better. The last example being Vinicius last night. As long as it doesn't hurt the business, it will go on. It has always been the case and sadly, I don't think it will change.
As a Muslim, I can't support the cause as it is opposed to my believes. But it doesn't mean I accept that LGBT+ people deserve to be harassed, insulted and beaten up. Same with people who aren't Muslims or opposed to my political believes. And you're right : they mustn't promote betting companies and like Kanouté in the past, they must hide it. Shahid Afridi, a cricket player, hides a betting sponsor on his kit. So, if they wanted to, they would have hidden it with tape. I don't buy kits if they have a betting sponsor, or alcohol, cigarretes, junk food.
Careful : Betclic isn't the sponsor of Toulouse. During Cup games in France, we don't have the same sponsor. It's either Betclic or Crédit Agricole, a French bank. At least, for this season. Toulouse's actual sponsor is LP Promotion, real estate company.
Vinicious deserved all the hate in the world... for playing for a sheit club and being far too good at football, not for being black
Political Alfie is my favorite Alfie
9:07 - 9:40 disagreed. Someone who doesn't partake in pro-life marches shouldn't be assumed to be against the sanctity of human life.
You will always be my favorite Football TH-cam for not standing for the ridiculous amounts of discrimination in Football. Thank you for all the work you do Alfie.
Promotion of alphabet agenda is true white supremacy.
This is ridiculous. Pushing the LGBT agenda and everyone has to go along with it. Where's the freedom? I feel like the players are reasonable in saying they respect everyone. Someone can respect all people but not support this agenda. People can stand up and fight for peoples rights, but they don't have to promote it.
I guess
Why dont you take care of your own life? You dont need to do anything, actually not doing anything would help a lot. Focus on yourself instead of going for others.
@@kadatheklund2904 exactly. Why doesn't eeveryone mind their own business and not push an agenda
Literally every negative comment is proof that they have not watched the video.
His digs at Gueye had me dying 😂🤣
😂😂
Trying to solve social problems with marketing campaigns is absurd.
You know Gueye definitely got bullied for that name as a kid and clearly never got over it 😂
Gueye is not pronounced “Gay”, nor is that a word that is used in Senegal thus I very much doubt that bothers him.
No it's his religious beliefs and culture
God bless Uganda.
Oooh my god i'm French I speak French in Paris and you accent is shambolic and so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I absolutely love it