French Football's Homophobia Crisis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2023
- Last weekend, three footballers in France refused to participate in Ligue 1 and Ligue 2's anti-homophobia campaigns, prompting support and criticism from different quarters in almost equal measure.
It comes just a year after then PSG and now Everton midfielder Idrissa Gana Gueye was alleged to have done likewise.
In this video, HITC Sevens takes a look at how the culture wars have invaded French football, the hint of hypocrisy among those involved, and the broader issue of homophobia and LGBT allyship within the sport. - กีฬา
Next you could cover spanish football's racism crisis. It has come back to the spotlight due to the racial insults against Vinicius but it's no novelty. Just a bit over a decade ago fans legitimally threw bananas at players like Dani Alves when they went for corner kicks. I'd say it's one of spanish football's biggest issues, probably only behind the ridiculous amount of corruption in league ownership and the federation
brilliant idea
Also do something about the lack of diversity in Africa, they need to stop with the black supremacy!
Italy is much worse I only ever hear vini getting abused in Spain were it's every player of different skin colour in Italy
And the dani Alves banana was like 2010 not really relevant today
yes great idea
In Italy that's so prevalent that nobody seems to notice anymore.
Could you maybe cover the recent surge in hooliganism in dutch football? Groningen is basically controlled by the ultras these days
Yes, I think hooliganism in Dutch football deserves a video... too many incidents lately.
Yeah especially as west ham fans just experienced it with AZ ultras it must be on his radar
We (Groningen) indeed have a problem with a very small group (maybe +/- 50 people) of coked-out criminals who intimidate staff, stewards, and supporters. Last week v Ajax, they managed to sneak smoke bombs into the stadium by threatening stewards just to get the game abandoned asap. Some hooligans/criminals of other clubs, such as Beerschot of Belgium, are friends with them and were in attandance as well. It has been the worst season on the pitch in Groningen's history (18 points in 33 matches), but our club is rotten off the pitch as well. Worrying times...
Didn't one west ham fan hold back 100s of az fans from attacking families?
Did you guys see the story about the AZ Alkmaar ultras at the West Ham game? Horrific.
I absolutely love it when someone can shift my perspective so effectively with one argument. Really well constructed and thought out. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
Thank you for listening and changing your mind Damien. All the best :)
It goes down the drain when you want to force people to ride with you.
It goes against what they want to supposedly promote.
Diversity and tolerance.... Only if you think and looks like me.
There is no argument from the start.
Using oppressive manners to fight oppression is never going to work.
Hi Damien, I'd be curious to hear what your position was beforehand and what argument made you change your mind?
@@sirterryratchett i can't exactly speak for him but I myself was homophbic due to the members of the LGBT people spreading unnesicary agenda everywhere and FORCING it upon kids
@@sirterryratchett it probably was on the statements made by the players and how they sounded somewhat understandable rather than outright homophobia but this video changed his mind
not part of the lgbtq community myself but i appreciate you, a big youtuber in the football community, constantly calling out homophobes, because the football fan community is brimming with them and it's incredibly dumb. thanks alfie.
Agreed mate. A bunch of loud-mouth brain-dead fannies giving the rest of us a bad name.
As a bi guy keep that bs out of football it's that simple. I don't want to see politics or agendas being pushed in football wether i agree with them or not. Some people have beliefs that disagree with others it's there right as long as they are not pushing for violence against people who have a different way of life. Stop trying to make people accept ways of life they don't agree with it's that simple.
@Blaze Pukka watch the video. Gambling and alcohol are shirt sponsors for clubs that these players play for, which are also haram. Surely this is a 'way of life they don't agree with' and should have a similar outrage towards these sponsors. Boycotting a campaign showing solidarity with people who've faced violence and prejudice because of their sexuality is such a self report and, as Alfie says, showcases why they're needed more.
@@blazepukka2264 and you don't get to disagree about gay people being allowed to live
if you find supporting them against homophobia absurd then you got issues
not everything requires your opinion, not everything is a debate
@@Adizero2 Exactly, what is it with these fools, it’s like saying you don’t believe in ginger-haired people lol
Plays for Everton suggesting he doesn’t mind being sodomised on a weekly basis is one of the best quotes this channel has come out with
I had such a good laugh at that line lmao
this guy makes a literal r*pe joke in the same video crying about people not wanting to wear a lgbt emblem, what a phoney hahahaha
@@Scalper10001 what part of the joke is homophobic ☠️ are you mad
@@Scalper10001 I'm no 'ally' of the LBGT cause but even I found that offensive and repellent. Shame on Alfie!
@@wife9571 Nobody uses the term 'sodomy' today. For good reason. Would it have been acceptable to say he doesn't mind being 'buggered' on a weekly basis?
Alfie, honestly, this is why we come here, no bullshit trying to appease everyone, you do your work, you use journalistic facts when you need to, you clearly separate them from your opinions and when you give your opinions you make them heard
Screw homophobia, period
He' appeasing the gays lol
@@FLIXD_JM199 defending your values and showing solidarity with a group you sympathise with is not appeasement.
@@FLIXD_JM199You either didn’t watch the video or are incredibly stupid. Probably both to be honest.
Yes it is appeasement.
If it was in support of the opposite, his video would be demonetised and most likely removed from TH-cam.
So he will never do something to jeopardise his videos will he.
So he has to show support.
Use some common sense.
Joe Mama and Craig Gibbons don't know what appease means. What a surprise, said no one.
I'm not sure if you'll see this, Alfie, but I'm a queer woman. Despite loving your content I fear watching this video might end up just upsetting me due to the circumstances through no fault of your own. I just wanted to say that youre probably the only football channel that hasn't ever made me feel bad for being a woman or for being gay. I thank you for that, truly.
Thank you for saying exactly how I felt too. I’m saddened by the lack of views but I hope Alfie knows that we support him and feel his support, too.
how tf would football chanell make you feel bad,that's bs
@@nikolasavic9275 prolly cuz a lot of football channels and fans r casually homophobic and football is seen as a masculine sport with female fans and players being thought of as a joke
@@nikolasavic9275 so you know how a random person on the internet feels? Are you some kinda wizard? 🤡
@@nikolasavic9275 many football channels openly back owners known for homophobia (like the United stand)
I've had lots of football fans tell me that racism is worse than any other prejudice and that the other prejudices should be ignored. All prejudice in the game needs to be addressed
Well said 👏
Let’s create campaigns for all of our fat, disabled, blind, Downsyndrome, amputee, Transgender, homeless, poor, rich, white, Asian, black, gypsie, wheelchair using, and homosexual footballers then
@@isaacjones5687 yes, why not?
Or better yet - none of it.
@@Nemophilist850 Why?
Since Homophobia is still such a big issue in world football, it is quite remarkable that you stand so clearly as an ally, aswell as basically educating ont this topic. Hats off for giving your voice to those, who still suffer from discrimination.
Gmafb. What a stupid made-up word that doesn't make any sense.
@@tigercap100 makes more sense than “gmafb”. Speak clearly if you’re trying to make a point about how something “doesn’t make sense”
@@tigercap100 what word is difficult for you to understand from the comment?
@@lenenlawless "homophobia". It means Afraid of Homosexuals. People use the term incorrectly. Not celebrating homosexuality does not = homophobia.
And it's not a "big issue" in football or anywhere. They're the most coddled, entitled group in the modern western world.
@@tigercap100 ahh I thought you was confused, nah you're just a nutter
i am 100% uneffected by the phobias you touched on in this video but You have brightened my day just by making this compassionate case for our lgbtq friends. Thank You!
Well done Alfie, eloquently written and props to you for being an ally as well as an advocate for more conversation.
An ally of the T, who advocate for child abuse and mutilation.
Yeah alfies a real hero.
since this is a comment which may be viewed I will say this here. Whilst Alfie's point at 9:28 is valid about the fact that it was a campaign to say "do not abuse or discriminate against gay people" people tend to misunderstand context a lot. For example when I was younger I used to always say in class about how much I love Messi and then people would say I was gay. Far from it I loved everything about Messi but just not erotically (and there are many more instances of my life with people misunderstanding context). I could give you another. When I was younger some people and I were arguing about whether or not we only inhale Oxygen and only exhale Carbon Dioxide (being the smart one that I am, I obviously said that we inhale all gases that would be in our proximity.) They then went to a girl who was older than us and went to a quite reputable University and she did not agree with me. They also made it a point to tell me that she went to a good University. Then I said, not because she goes to a reputable University means that she is exempted from being stupid. They then went and told the girl that I said she was stupid. Similarly with those three players. If they go and participate in anything that supports, upholds, defends, legalizes, raises awareness etc. it may just be taken out of context.
So, you're also an "ally" of the same intolerant viewpoint this video promotes?
I used to put the LGBTQ flag in my Twitter bio to show I’m an openly gay football fan. I can’t tell you how many times I got attacked by people for that. I hate football’s relationship with homophobia. It honestly breaks my heart
being a trans woman and a football fan is not for the weak
@@octaviodelrio4192Sis is playing on hard mode 😭
French football ?? Literally every player that refused to wear the LGBT shirt is not French lmao
good proper english video... good thing everything is fine in england, and there is no a) racism, b) sexism, c) homophobia, or d) hooligans in football anymore :)))))))) oh wait
All of the anti gay rhetoric spouted in the comments on posts about Gueye and the Qatar world cup over the last couple of years have really made me lose my love for football. I appreciate you making a video like this Alfie although I know for a fact most homophobes don't listen to logic.
Same, other than Alfie cause of videos like this, I've completely removed myself from all football spaces online cause of the hatred present and I just watch the games by myself and that's it
He’s Muslim it’s against he’s religion and don’t see a problem in as long as he’s not hating on anyone
@@UrMom-qw4pz It's against his religion to support an anti discrimination campaign? Did you actually watch the video?
@@Scalper10001 bro the rainbow numbers were for international day against homophobia. The rainbow is associated with pride but the numbers weren’t to do with pride.
@@mattlook1573 that's your perspective. How can a symbol symbolizes one thing everywhere, everyday but suddenly mean something the next?The EXACT symbol. You can't just literally make a new meaning for the symbol for one day and the next. Am I the only see the obvious b.s?Extremism with a pretty clolourful rainbow on top is all I can see where members justify villinizing non-conformers in hope "betterment of the world". History repeating,over, over and over again with a little.change in settings. Why didn't we think of this for racism?
Lets.make a flag together, says it means all life matter bs and if obviously the persons who refuse to wear it for whatever reason are obviously racist to their core. Easy way to find the bigots and shut them down right? All person who didn't do BLM thing for whatever reasons which were many are just backwards fools right cause All lives do matter and not participating objectively show they don't care about all lives. Let's extend this to charities too, if you don't contribute to the cause of a certain charity, you clearly hate it. No excuse is worth saving a life after all. Isn't this all for the "GREATER GOOD?".
I don't often comment on videos but I just wanted to say thank you, Alfie, for always going above and beyond on this topic. It can be a disheartening space to be involved in for LGBTQ+ football fans and it means a lot to have a content creator go beyond the bare minimum of allyship!
fire burn
Still wondering what rainbow flags or sexuality have to do with football but whatever
@@ILKILO1 easy answer! it’s people who both play and follow football as a sport. a certain percentage of those people happen to be lgbtq+ and deserve to feel welcome in football spaces. hope this helps!
@@aarondickinson23 funny that you mention a certain percentage....because the lgbt community is less than 5% of the world population but look how everybody must bend over backwards for them....
@@ILKILO1 absolutely nothing bro.. stupid woke stuff
You're doing a world class reporting that is better than most main stream media. Much respect
Betclic is the exclusive sponsor of the French Cup and a team in every match must wear it as the shirt sponsor. Toulouse’s shirt sponsor in league matches is a real estate developer. Zakaria Aboukhlal could have upheld his belief against gambling by refusing to play in the French cup to promote the betting sponsor. So to people on your twitter who claim that he couldn’t choose Toulouse’s sponsor and had no choice in wearing it, he did and could have refused then.
As a Lesbian in our community you bring me such a breathe of fresh air there can be so much hatred in the footballing community which hurts because football means so much to me but your channel is always a safe space thank you for all the fantastic work you do
Pretty sure the majority of women footballers are gay so you're in good company
@@Crackparty803 I bet a lot of women tell you they are gay lol
@@jedross2136 ratio
so long as its kept outside of football!
@@UTMP but straight in football is okay, right?
Been watching/listening to you for years and due to being trans, I always slightly fear what youtubers/artists would think about me, due to being met with quiete a bit of discrimantion from strangers. I'm over the moon happy, after this video & I don't see any other football-youtuber speaking about these lgbtq+ rights or even acknowladging that this is happening. Thank you so much! ♡
Same here, as a bisexual football fan I have had to hide who I am in fear of being beaten up
I'm a furry
@@usernameisusernamegood for you man.
That's lovely to hear. ❤ Everyone should be accepted for who they are, and what they believe in. I think the world be a far better place if everyone could hold on to those values/morals - Truly.
I'd really like to know your thoughts on whether the footballers who chose not to participate in the Campaign discussed in this video, were treated with the same level of respect, and support, for their own beliefs, as you personally felt from this video?
Personally, i think the moral of this, is that we need to be accepting, whether we agree or disagree.
The footballers who opted not to take part in the campaign, could have instead, continued to play, but not wear the colors - which IMO would be far more disrespectful and 'Phobic' than what they did, which was respectfully, opt out.
If they truly believe that they should not participate, then put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself, WWYD? I think you'd do exactly what they did.
So, I say leave them alone, respect their beliefs, and be thankful that respect is being shown, all around. Surely, that's the harmonious way forward right?
This video is not very nice to the people who are being respectful towards your cause....
@@bludmoon4508 You're comparing their right to express their beliefs with other people's right to live a peaceable existence.
And if you'd watched the video, you'd know how stupid that argument is.
I'm trans ftm and my bf is trans ftm. Glad to have an ally, was very respectful in this video and agree with everything you said. I do not understand the hate for anybody honestly. Aslong as you respect me, I'll respect you back and that's how it should be but unfortunately it's not which is why these things need to be talked about.
The way this channel walks the line on social issues is amazing respecting both parties decisions while clearly expressing your views in a respectful matter. Not being battered down or spoken down too is what you do best and connecting soccer to it as its core tissue is perfect. Soccer is a global affair and the beautiful games connection to culture is a part of that, thank you for making great content related to the great sport your the best.
Walks the line?!?!? 😂😂😂 what the hell do you mean by walks the line😂
Alfie is absolutely not on the line on any of these issues and that’s why he’s right. You can’t accept or buy into these type of people at all when they just repeat the word respect 1000 times. Rejecting that is not walking the line. It’s drawing the line at what is acceptable.
“Alfie walking the line” is a hilarious concept and not what he does at all. And we wouldn’t want him to.
Alfie is respectful in his language but saying he "walks the line" kinda suggests he has a neutral approach, which he specifically doesn't and that's why he's such a great footballtuber. I would argue "walking the line" is the modus operandi of most football-related TH-cam channels, whose idea of weighing in on a subject is spouting meaningless platitudes about respecting different viewpoints and whatnot. There is absolutely no shortage of superficial centrism in the land of football TH-cam. The fact that openly rejecting the discriminatory core that poisons the sport is seen as "walking the line between viewpoints", says a lot about how backwards football culture is.
respecting both parties? What video did you just watch?
He respects 1 party throught this entire video 😱
@@alexsmith6322 Same goes for virtue-signalling TH-camrs. Digest your own wisdom bruh and open your eyes and ears. Not to the view count or the subscriber count - to the fucking CONTENT bruh. 😅
Lmao it's a propaganda video vilifying the people he disagrees with.
"I respect gay people, but my beliefs keep me from supporting their movement" And what belief could that be, other than homophobia ? Doesnt make any sense
Islam ?
Well find one that says the respect gays first 😂
Impressive how these players managed to post such long statements about how they wanted their own personal beliefs to be respected without stating what, exactly, those personal beliefs are. Almost like they know that those personal beliefs would be obviously and blatantly homophobic if they said them outright.
Top work as always Alfie.
Why does anyone, regardless if they are a world famous athlete or a working class guy, owe you an explanation of their beliefs.
Do you have even the slightest clue how big of a hypocrite you are?
YOU do not get to demand (or in your case, passive aggressively write a cloying, self congratulatory comment in a random video about football and homophobia) a response from ANYONE, let alone a Superstar athlete.
Nobody likes discrimination. It's just that you are going about pointing it out in the wrong way
@@BobSmith-cq9xb the players are the ones who chose not to play and cited their personal beliefs as the reason for making that choice. Not sure what's hypocritical about expecting them to state what those beliefs are if they're using them as a reason for not playing. And, given that they cited those beliefs to get out of taking part in an anti-discrimination event, not quite sure how it shows that 'nobody likes discrimination' either.
@@EvilAsmodean religion isnt enough?
@@joshsymon6992 no that's such a donkey reason for being homophobic and if religion was so important they wouldn't wear betting sponsors would they lad
@@joshsymon6992 dude just watch the video for an explanation why religion is indeed not enough
It’s a sad reality that football is pretty far behind the times in terms of social acceptance. Racism is still rampant (Vinicius Junior is probably the biggest example right now but definitely not the only one), homophobia is even more rampant (just ask yourself how many players have come out of the closet the way Jakub Jankto or Thomas Hitzlsperger did and even those two have faced a lot of backlash) and we don’t do anything about it just because clubs don’t want to lose the support of said racist/homophobic fans. Brilliant video Alfie as per usual. It’s amazing how you have been able to put out amazing content on a consistent basis for the last 6 years.
Football is absolutely behind socially, and a lot of people want to keep it that way
There's no such thing as "behind the times". There is the culture of the people, and then the manufactured culture that the state and corporations try to create for us.
@@Nemophilist850 I don’t agree with this. If this were true, then we would see the same patterns of racism, homophobia and general hooliganism we see in men’s football in other areas and that’s verifiably untrue (women’s football for instance, but also in other non football related areas)
@@Nemophilist850 You know where you can shove your stupid conspiracies. Cultures aren't monolithic.
@@Nemophilist850I think the evidence is pretty clear considering anyone that isn't a 15-30 year old roided r'tard is fleeing watching live football in the stands. Football culture is medieval in comparisson to the culture at large.
My religion is very important for me. Except if I earn money promoting something that's against it.
He earns nothing from shirt sponsors, He has signed a contract to play for that club, he does not decide the sponsor
@@isaacjones5687 maybe if he refuses to play in every match because of the shirt sponsor the club won't pay him his salary. Maybe
@@isaacjones5687 Shirt sponsors help pay wages so indirectly yes, he earns money from the sponsors as well.
That's a leap are u pro homophobia if u eat chick file coz that company is an outspoken homophobe @@soundscape26
@@soundscape26are Disney workers antisemitic for acting in a Disney production???
As a queer football fan, it couldn't be more obvious to me that all these awareness campaigns were designed by heterosexual cisgender people. I am totally in favour of awareness campaigns, but they shouldn't be designed in a way that allows homophobes to hijack the entire thing. Campaigns that force everyone to participate only serve to give a platform to homophobia, which only makes me feel less safe if anything. Besides, the point shouldn't be to convert the person wearing the mandated rainbow colours to a life of love and acceptance, it should be to foster a gradual change in football culture; one that goes beyond the 22 on the field. My personal approach would be to specifically identify players and managers at each club who genuinely want to make a statement against homophobia. This way, players who don't want to participate in it don't get to claim they're being forced to comply and the focus will be on the actual role models instead.
That is the nature of capitalism. They don’t seek to improve inclusivity, they want their rainbow-printed merchs to be sold.
Can we please leave the word cisgender in 2023 it's the most redundant pointless word in the English language.
@@KingChaddi it literally doesn't matter if you say cisgender or 'not transgender'. I beg you please go worry about something important.
@Brian Storm Transgender has a meaning. Cisgender is false label with no real meaning. Essentially a buzz word
Don't call them CIS genderd. Its called a normal human being...
Why did you diss Gueye? It’s was absolutely unnecessary
Thank you again Alfie, not mincing any words here, truly a breath of fresh air 👏 fuck homophobia, racism and any form of bigotry 🖕
Mincing is a poor choice of wording
@@isaacjones5687what would you recommend instead?
@@isaacjones5687 😂
@@isaacjones5687hehehe, he said mincing.
Gay.
Alfie, thank you for videos like this, you give me hope for the world ❤
The # being WeAreAllIdrissa is so funny because WeAreAllGueye would be absolutely hilarious in the most ironic of ways
Thank you as always Alfie. I first became interested in the beautiful game in high school as I grew into myself. I have a background in American football, played it for years, but reached a turning point in my late teens as I just couldn’t take the constant homophobia, racism, and bullying associated with American football culture. Within American football culture, association football is often seen as “gay” or effeminate, and often referred to in homophobic terms. So naturally, I gravitated more towards it as I moved further away from the sport that didn’t accept me. I saw supporters like the Portland Timbers army and St.Pauli ultras and countless others waving rainbow flags, singing Bella Ciao, being intimidating and accepting at the same time. I found a sporting culture that actually felt more open to someone like me and many of the people I love. Many years later, it’s quite ironic to look back on my younger self, believing that global football would be a less homophobic place than the American football I was raised around. At the end of the day, I fell in love with the beautiful game and will likely never fall out of love with it, but the culture around it must be improved. We need to keep fighting for a better future for football, one in which homophobia, racism, misogyny, and all forms of discrimination are not tolerated. Thanks for being a leader in that fight Alfie. Your impact is real, and your words are valued by many of us.
But football should be football, it shouldn't be a platform to force things on people
@@theredhall-thisisfootball do you even understand racism and homophobia? It's fine if you don't like or agree with the idea. but being a racist or homophobia, you're simply not just 'not agreeing'. It is much more, and it has direct 'consequence' to the subject being discriminated against. like yeah you can hate queer player all you like but you CAN'T go around beating them or hurl insults or arrest someone because they have different skin color. I think the gist is to be more tolerant and accepting.
'maybe he's really bad at budgeting' while his Villa shirt contains the Quickbooks sponsor is one of your most sublime moments yet, ngl
Thank you for picking up this topic. As a queer woman in football spaces it is great to hear a straight man take the work upon themselves to speak about problems and educate others. Great and responsible use of your platform.
A queer woman in football spaces? Oh God, I wish you only the best of luck and much strength, keep it up.
Best of luck my friend
You and your kind are ruining football. I hope you're happy 😡
@@Morgan_Black I found my niche, podcasting, going to the games that feel safe. Thank you!
Nice pfp
Unfortunate but extremely necessary video, thanks Alfie, let's kick bigotry out of football
Lets kick white supremacy out of football first.
Thank you for an excellent video, which was well explained and with a light touch. I still remember the suicide of Justin Fashanu in an era of football that was even more bigoted and hostile to gays.
"you should respect my disrespect"
No, you should just leave me the f*** alone. I don't want to tell you who to have sex with, you shouldn't be telling me pay homage to your sexuality.
So you’re justifying Islamophobia and Christophobia?
@@bjehulk your strawman is showing
@@bjehulk I'm Catholic
And Spain has a racism crisis. Crazy times
And Indonesia has a crisis with too many things. Crazy times.
And the Netherlands has a hooligan crisis. Crazy times.
Spain is racist, the homophobia crisis in france is against the homophobia lol, some players are homophobic and protest, different situation
@@VictorDurand-me5yu you mean Christian and nothing wrong with that, the fact that they want to call it a phobia rather than debate tells us all
@@stuartpenman6387 Religion is nit an excuse to be a shitty human, sorry.
I think the huge issue in France, and really in the UK too in terms of the pro-LGBT things in football, it comes off as extremely tone deaf since most of the ownership groups are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar or UAE, in all three nations gay relationships are illegal, and in Saudi Arabia it could get you thrown off a building.
ding ding ding! spot on! empty gestures knowing who the higher ups are at the club! nothing worse than empty gestures, even having nothing would be better than that, as this way, we all know they are just doing it for image, THEY KNOW its wrong, and still continue to do it... embarassing
Your videos are always very well researched & informative, but what makes them so good is how you use humor and sarcasm on the main points you make.
I hope everyone catches all of it, when some are referring to something else that may not be known to everyone. Your Bud Light Reference for example, being about a commercial they made.
Alfie absolutely nails it again. Love the compassion and willingness to confront prejudice in others.
'Nailed' it couldn't be a better description.
An overwhelming one-sided production, absolutely crucifying a minority for their beliefs - even failing the basic courtesy to 'respectfully' disagree.
Nailed it - spot on...
not really, one prime example: 14:08 is a complete strawman, no one said they only agree with the 'homophobia', they agree and adhere to many parts of the Islamic faith just not the gambling/alchohol sponsors. This doesn't seem a difficult nor controversial position to hold.. but it's the only 'counter' he could come up with.
@@Notorious46 That's not what a straw man is? Pointing out that something is ironic (because it was) isn't one. Your comment is more of a straw man, you've created a position to argue against that Alfie doesn't say or even imply in the video lol. Jokes
@@clubafterlife What? His response to the quite reasonable retort that religion isn't all or nothing was to make some weird strawman that if you only agree with the supposed word of god when it comes to homophobia it's probably easier to just say you're homophobic. Literally no one said that, quite clearly all the players involved don't think that, either. He's arguing against a position no one holds. If your only contribution is reddit tier ackchyually nitpicks of definitions, dont bother.
@@Notorious46 I see that the one time you googled straw man after someone accused you of using one, that you've misunderstood something. Anyway, let me spell it out based on the timestamp you gave:
Guy says [paraphrasing] 'betting is haram, but it's ok because it's *just a thing on a shirt*'
Alfie implies that position is ironic (again, because it is) because the pride flag numbers are also *'just a thing on a shirt'*. That's it. It's honestly quite simple. No logical fallacies there except imagined ones. The words you're saying he said do not show up anywhere in the video.
Freedom of choice vs peer pressure and forced obligation. Most sane people know gay people will always exist, but shoving displays of rainbow flags and kneeling for BLM in people's faces has irritated many, even those of a more liberal disposition. "Virtue signalling" is vacuous, empty and meaningless. They’re sportsmen, not activists nor politicians. If they want to go down the Lewis Hamilton/Sebastian Vettel/Leon Goretzka route of talking about politics all the time, fine. Absolutely fine. But the vast majority of athletes only care about their pay cheque and playing sports. Actions should always speak louder than symbolism.
As for the Muslim players in question, some could argue that competing as pro sportsmen in itself is haram in itself. Qatar hosting the World Cup could be seen as heresy in Islamic scripture (I'm not fully educated in the Quran).
But it has to be asked: is football a spectacle or a soft power propaganda display? It's not exactly a great idea to be alienating fans over what are social issues, not sporting issues
I strive to treat people with respect, even those I strongly disagree with. However, I feel no obligation to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. You are free to believe stupid things, and I am free to analyze and criticize your stupid beliefs.
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The cheque must have got lost in the post.
@@HITCSevens don't worry George Soros will reimburse you!!
What is wrong with that? If that’s your life don’t force it on me,that’s damn bullying
Thank you for always speaking up about these issues. It means so much when so much of the football discussion online is laced with homophobia or homophobia apologia
Most people who spent their lives on-line are shitty hate-filled people desperate to get into fights with people they don't know
What is homophobia?
@@MrISkater The intense and irrational dislike of gay people.
I see it being much more laced with intolerance disguised as anti homophobism. You're a prime example...
this channel is my save haven. being a bisexual football fan it is pretty tiring seeing constant anti-lgbtq or even other forms of bigotry and hatred within the online community. love that there are football fans that do advocate for basic human rights, even if it’s a minority (which is scary)
You are valid. Football is for everyone. Everyone against the LGBTQ+ community but calls themselves a football fan has missed the entire meaning of the game
So what, do you want everyone be like "Congrats for being bisexual you are amazing" thats pathetic, you are not special nor am I.
You guys are attacking anyone who doesn't support you "cause", you guys have respect only for the ones who think like you... If someone doesn't want to wear that stupid rainbow doesn't mean they hate you they just don't want to be forced into doing something they are not confortable with.
@@Kooptj People don't want "congratulations". They want "I'm not going to verbally or physically attack you for no other reason than you are LGBT+" why are people not comfortable wearing it? Does the discomfort come from supporting something they hate? Usually if someone is at least completely neutral to an issue, there is no argument for or against supporting anything
@@Dunny261the discomfort can be from having a religious belief or the belief that politics shouldn't collide with sports, something a lot of people hold. I am against the gay armbands etc yet I do accept gay people for who they are. It's not about intollerance it's about needless politicalisation of entertainment and sports. (If it's not that person is just bad tho)
How do you feel about the "Kick it out" campaign for racism? Is that also politicising sport, or is that more acceptable for you?
Hey Alfie why are your videos coming out after three days rather than a day after as it used to be ?
isn't it ironic that he's called gueye?
Yes. The video is about both Gay Rights and Gueye Rights.
No it’s not ironic because you’re being Eurocentric and it shouldn’t matter to an African player that his name means something in a foreign language to him. That’s a very immature way to think about people and their languages. What difference would it make if I told you that your name in my native language means uncivilised baboon? Nothing to you.
As usual, very high quality. Thank you for being constructive as always!
When freespeech and freedom of religion gets deleted:
I do think campaigns like this are quite important when there is a seemingly large proportion of young football fans online who are homophobic, if say a 13 or 14 year old boy sees mbappe or another of their idols supporting LGBT people then it could push them to more tolerant beliefs, this is amplified by footballs large audience.
Keep up the good work on the tough topics! The best football page on TH-cam easily. 💪🏽
lmaooooo the line about Gaye not minding being sodomised playing for everton killed me dead
Oh man, that Everton reference got me bro 😂😂😂😂😂
I mean you gotta respect the players choice to not play due to their reasons at end of the day every one have his own opinion and no one can tell them that their opinion is wrong as in my opinion them not wearing the LGBTQ coulours wont hurt that cuminity
11:40 I may be wrong to keep thinking your intelligent, but I really would be thought you'd know better than to say "oh you believe in this do you? Well here's this other unrelated thing that you're doing wrong.... If you are a liar, why do you claim to believe that murder is wrong?"
Silly silly Alfie.
On the flip side, I have a lot of respect for the muslim players who DIDN'T boycott. It's a very low bar, but I'm glad it was cleared
Why would you have respect for them? They chose money over their values.
@@Nemophilist850 most players got payed their wage if they play or not so claiming that they chose 'money over morals' isn' a very valid claim
@@theoneandonly5371 Of course it is. This stuff will have all sorts of ramification for future deals.
That's a silver lining yes. France has a lot of Muslim players and only 3 decided to be bigots.
@@Scalper10001 Bigoted people will never cease to exist unfortunately but at least we get to call them out.
Comments about to be a mess on this one! But needs to be done, big up Alfie.
For some reason, people seem to think or pretend to think as a deflection, that if you are against homophobia, then you are promoting gay people or are gay yourself.
I think at the end of the day you can't force anyone to be an ally. I don't think a player should be fined for their beliefs as long they enact them in the privacy of their own home and space. Because when someone is on the complete opposite side of your social issue the best you can get is tolerance or indifference.
If one side wants to stop discrimination and the other one wants to discriminate, you should actively take the side of the discriminated. This is not a "2 sides" issue, and history has shown when you leave young, angry, bigoted men go unchecked.
"you can't force someone to not be a worthless discriminatory cunt"
@1998Cebola But when in history has fighting hate with more hate, truly solved anything ? Especially when it's directed at the wrong people, these athletes aren't the ones actively denying LGBTQ members' lifestyles and rights as human beings attack the organizations who virtue signal but then allow them to do this or the bigoted countries in which you can literally be stoned to death for simply loving someone of the same sex. I'm just saying slapping some athletes on the wrist does nothing for the overall goal.
Thank you for this response, this is the first comment I’ve seen addressing the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and these players that are refusing to wear the pride flag on their backs are entitled to do so. If promoting homosexuality is against your beliefs, then you have the right to not promote it. These players are simply choosing to not promote an act/movement they find sinful, and these people are taking that as a hate crime.
@@dkramer This is going to sound crazy but this video is Alfie's opinion. My opinion is that these players are backwards hypocrites who should be called out publicly. Now what? Am I not entitled to express that opinion? Your 'opinions' are not sacred, inherently true or protected from judgement or response. Deal with it.
Frankly I think this is brilliant and really well put together.
Your knowledge of football, society and ability to understand everyone’s point whilst also sticking to your morales in your opinion. Makes this the greatest football TH-cam account.
As an Asexual man I’m used to being erased 😂 love you brother. This video is so good.
People erase you because you don't like sex?
No they don't.
even if you dont agree with the players' stance, you should be fine with them distancing themselves from the campaign. why should they be forced to endorse something they may not support? the proposition of them being sanctioned is ridiculous.
Hitc this libtard only has the valid opinion and any other one is scandalous
100%, they shouldn't be forced to do something they don't believe in and calling them homophobic is arrogant
But they are treated as subhuman, and people that treat them as this need to be called out for refusing to treat someone as person just because they happen to be LBQT. At the same time these people are allowed to say they do not wish to partake, but are not void is being criticized as opinions are allowed to be criticized though the same 'freedom of speech' the players were using.
LOL imagine if we flipped the script and it was an anti-Islamophobia campaign being boycotted and you lot cried about it 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ThexMJT "I need to call you out for following your religion".
Now you understand how ridiculous you sound.
This is the only video you have made that I disagree with you.
10:06 - Bad analogy. Deliberate actions are different than DNA conditions that barely affect anything else.
Simply not wanting to promote homosexualism if you don't approve the action and say that nonetheless homesexuals should be simply left in peace is more like a vegan not wanting to promote McDonald's.
Simply people living their lives without forcing others into anything.
Homosexuality is nothing you choose
@@raphaelovicstrassovic9440 One can have any urges and choose to not act on them. I may feel horny for my friend's hot wife - and this doesn't mean I will flirt with her.
Unless you think humans can act simply on instinct and not a rational mind.
@@rothbardfreedom yes but you can't control your urges. You cannot decide whether you are attracted to women or not. And if you are attracted to men then you can't simply choose to make out with women instead because you are simply not attracted to them
6:21 in the video - A GENUINE LOL moment. Brilliant Alfie, as always
If participation in a movement is mandatory, does that affect anything or not?
... it's the easiest, weakest and laziest excuse of all.
By 'movement', within this context, you are in actual fact referring to 'footballers wearing the same football shirt with some extra colours on the back', as a gesture of support for anti-homophobia.
Evidently, contrary to what you implied, not even that is mandatory.
Lastly, that some are not even willing to make the smallest of gestures to acknowledge that 'discrimination against sexuality is a bad thing' provides resounding vindication for their continued necessity.
@@joemoyes06Fun reminder that this video exists. There are lots of fantastic movements out there that almost certainly deserve our support. Why aren't we forced to do so? I'll let you work it out.
Ünder is Muslim and he wore the pride colours (you showed it) so Gana Gay has no excuse except homophobia
He doesn’t need an “excuse.” There’s no such thing as a “burden” of “explaining” why you’re not interested in co-signing an agenda that has nothing to do with your chosen career. There’s no such thing as a “burden” of “disproving” the “legitimacy” of a non sequitur.
News flash for the postmodernists: Football is about _football,_ not virtue signaling.
Hello! Are you gonna make a video about stampedes I football. Just over the weekend 12 people were in quater final match in El Salvador.
People are fed up with football being politicised though most people know that they should treat people with respect they don't need childish lectures
Alfie summed up my thoughts at about 9:30 with the difference between what the actual event was, in relation to what the three footballers were talking about. It's not that you come out in support of people being LGBTQ+, but just that they should not be discriminated against. To me that's two different things. The 'personal beliefs' thing seems an incorrectly placed smoke screen, considering some players play week in, week out with betting sponsors on their shirts or boozy sponsors. Also, it's just a once a year thing, so unlike the 'Black Lives Matter', it's over quickly.
Never knew players have a choice to wear sponsors
@@SD-iv4sz They have, they can just not play for a team with sponsors they don't believe in.
@@Bresagk or ask for a transfer if they were in a club with a different sponsor (ie: an electronics company) and they switch to one which contradicts their beliefs.
@@pablomiguez2733imagine being so homophobic that you’d rather be transferred to most likely a worse club that just put up with wearing a rainbow?
no one said they only agree with the 'homophobia', they agree and adhere to many parts of the Islamic faith just not the gambling/alcohol sponsors. This doesn't seem a difficult nor controversial position to hold.. if we live in a free society they should be able to do as they see fit. Or does that only extend to people with whom you agree with?
Alfie just kept on pointing out how many times Aboukhlal and Mostafa said the word "Respect" while he lacked respect for their choices. Good man, here is a beautiful unsubscription, not for defending abnormality that I'm totally against based on my religious reasons, but for the "disrespect" you showed for people's believes.
Bye 👋
This video was a breath of fresh air. Also, 6:19 had me wheezing 😭
His digs at Gueye had me dying 😂🤣
😂😂
Alfie, you should do a series of videos that looks at the best football player born on each day of the year broken up into 12 videos one for each month. You could release the videos over an entire year with videos releasing on the first of their respective months to spread the videos out as well
Got so much respect for how you use your platform. Its incredibly refreshing to hear a football TH-cam actually address social and economic issues regularly instead of pretending they don't exist within the game. Been watching every video for years and only just clocked im not subbed, quickly changed that.
Well the guy just glossed over the fact that people were prevented from working their just because they refused to participate in a political campaign
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You have to do a 'super thanks' and then it stops.
you should definitely cry more in the comments
Had quite a few and doing alright but I appreciate the concern.
Not for the first time, well said 👏 ✊️
Can someone explain to me why being gay is bad? Like I literally cannot see the problem with it
No one says it's a problem. The problem is when they force people to accept it.
@@Vakator-29 but why shouldnt you accept it if its not a problem?
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 but why should people accept things they don't care for? This is forcing beliefs onto people. Most people don't even care abt gay or straight, they care abt being forced to say they are for or against it.
Just have a look at what percentage of p3d0s are gay...
Just have a look at the much worse psychological conditions of members of the lgbt community...
Just have a look at the suicide rate/attempted suicide rate of the lgbt community...
Should I continue?
@@Vakator-29 no one says that? Really? Lol
6:20 - this may be one of your best one-liners so far. This is the quality content I come for.
Alfie was in rare form for this one, absolutely demolished 😂
I always appreciate these video's bringing awareness too not only football's biggest issues but society's as a whole, i have some friends who are in the LGBTQ community so I'd consider myself an ally of the cause, unfortunately since covid the world as a whole has taken one massive step backwards from a homophobia, racist, migration stance and its so sad to see. All these marginalised communities have done a lot of work to help people and it feels like its all being undone, so when people like you make entensive deep dives into these issues with well researched and wonderfully articulated videos i for one appreciate it immensely! Keep up the amazing work!
you think 40% of the country being muslim might have something to do with the homophobia?
@@letsmakeit110 Was just thinking that.
Funny that you have such awareness of what the world thinks when I bet you're just a dumb Anglo monolingual...
You are an absolute legend! Thank you for this video!!
Rare w france football being homophobic
Are the players who did not take a knee racist?
Yes.
Not the same argument mate. Different issue with Different solutions
@@FerreusNRG tell us you are
an indoctrinated clown without using the words....
@@lucuslovesyou2961 Same argument. You’re either in or out. Anti BLM = racist Anti LGBT = homophobic
Respect, Alfie! Love how you address this topic
I am once again asking for a video about Algeria's unofficial FLN national team (1958-1962)
Such a brilliant video! Have huge respect for people who have conversations that need to be had, especially in the world of sport where unfortunately many still have views that are not just outdated now but were indeed so 100yrs ago.
Yeah, views like preventing people from working their jobs if they refuse to participate in some political campaign. That used to happen I'm some places when people were fired if they did not attend events celebrating the Nazis....
I don't think that not participating in an anti-homophobia campaign is homophobia. Why isn't there a neutral ground?
I support their right to free speech and the fact they shouldnt be forced to do something they dont want to. However i am against forcing views onto other people. Would it be good if Qatar and Saudia Arabia were to allow same sex relationships? Yes but who are we to tell other coutries and cultures what the laws should be. I see both sides of the debate these players have taken a stance and thats their choice but it would be nice to see them alteast be hknest about why they took that view.
I love you. 😂 that intro warning was peak.
easily the best football channel out
As a gay man I have no problem with people who don’t except homosexuality for religious reasons or just personal reasons. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and views and I see no point in trying to change their minds as long as they don’t go out attacking gay/trans people I don’t care
I'm 100% with your view... Live and let live. That being said, the LGBT+++ political/social engineering groups, spend their time and money dividing and dealing out guilt. Sadly, many tolerant people buy the BS.
i agree mate if anyone has a problem with us then stay away why are they even coming to talk
6:05-6:28 is beyond legendary, a classic HITC Sevens tangent!
Was about to comment the same. Left nothing whole of the man.
6:18 outstanding analysis Alfie, thank you. I spit water on my keyboard.
Great Vid! Its just a thing on a shirt, absolutely killed me.
Political Alfie is my favorite Alfie
All players should have the choice to wear an armband, to kneel, or none of these things. Feeling compelled to do so as a rule, or under pressure, doesn't seem right.
It's amazing only three players did not partake to be honest.
@@vomidesinge4697because they are not assholes and homophobes
massive appreciation for using your voice and platform in this way ❤
Again a top notch job👏👏👏👏 keep em coming!