Stupid Alito argument.The unborn child does not exist without the woman. If the woman's life is at risk, the medical focus is on her. End of conversation.
Which one is an actual US citizen with a valid SSN? "Unborn child" or a US citizen who has held a SSN for years. "Unborn child" has just as much rights in the US as a Mexican that just crossed the border. FACTS!
Their World View is based on Human Potential ... more potential = more rights ... if you're 77 years old, you should have fewer rights than a 6wk old fetus. Unfortunately for THEM... we live in America with a US Constitution that grants EQUAL RIGHTS, regardless of potential.
Since when did these Judges have enough medical training to make an EDUCATED decision about a patients health? How about leaving healthcare to the patient and the doctor.
@lionel3469 ~ Practicing medicine without a license, is what the conservative judges are doing. I'm sure if one of *THEIR* loved ones needed an abortion due to a medical problem, they'd move heaven and earth to find a way to get her to another country for a safe abortion.
Elizabeth Prelogar is an absolute legal STUD, she’s likely one of the best lawyers to ever step in the doors of the Supreme Court and her appointment to solicitor general is one of the best things that Biden has ever done.
Alito is demonstrating his total ignorance of medicine. If the fetus is sufficiently developed to survive outside the womb, and the pregnancy is threatening the health/life of the woman, they induce labor and the newborn goes to the NICU for treatment. If the fetus is not sufficiently developed to survive, and the woman's health/life is threatened, then yeah, she's going to have to have an abortion to keep her alive and perhaps able to try again. This happens all the time. But Alito's so ignorant he just wants to try to find some legal hairsplitting to outlaw abortion under all circumstances.
What does an old man know about pregnancy. During my 8th month, I started spotting blood. I was hospitalized in the base hospital on Nellis AFB Las Vegas. When I went to the bathroom, my water broke, and it was 7 weeks early. The Base Hospital was not set up for premeture babies. I was transferred to a downtown hospital and placed under a neonatal specialist. My son was breech and had not decided on the birth canal. He was at risk of infection and they worried that his lungs were not developed enough for him to breathe on his own. I was at risk for infection because of my son. For five days I was pumped full of steroids to mature my sons lungs. I had a C section. We were lucky there were babies in the NICU that had not been so lucky. And mothers who had not been. Men should not have a say in situations that they can't be exposed to themselves.
WHY DO THEY HAVE THESE MEN WHO ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS JUDGING WHEN A WOMAN OR HER DOCTOR SHOULD TERMINATE A PREGNANCY. ALSO FOLLOWING LAWS WHICH IS OUT DATED.
Alito has already decided he wants a national ban and here is just trying to come up with his justification. Spoiler alert... He is going to side with an unborn mass of cells of a living being because he HATES WOMEN at his core.
Well, you can thank whyte yeah women for their wonderful performance in ushering DJT into the White House. I don’t wanna hear any whining now from women of no color.
Bluntly it’s because we’ve been living by patriarchal dominant society/constitution. Look at all the issues from women’s rights, lgbtq, immigrants, racism, gun violence. It’s all looted to me like this conservative judge that will never truly emphasize because he is viewing it from his preservative and portion position. The other problem is that too many women end up falling into their husband’s patriarchal demands. Anti-abortion/anti-women’s rights is taught mostly by parent and church. No one is born that vigilant about someone else’s rights to their body And medical choices. That invasive approach has always been conservative aka CONSERVE dominance and outdated monopolies .
Alito's proposition is absurd. If the woman dies because the doctor cannot safely decide whether the the mother's life is of greater legal "worth" than that of the foetus, then the foetus will die anyway. How does Alito suggest the foetus be kept viable after the mother dies?
he doesn't care (if foetus dies ... if the mother dies ... if YOU die ...) you're assuming Alito cares. that's a faulty premise. (same with thomas. same with gorsuch.)
well he dosen't care about either the woman or the child, I'm sure if a law was made that men had get their testicles cut off to save a woman from getting pregnant and putting her life in danger, this whole argument would stop and women would get the right to medical care when needed.
This is absolutely unbelievable. I cannot believe, in 2024, women STILL have to fight for basic medical care/rights. Religion doesn't get to decide what I do with my body and what's inside it.
She did the same was it last week? In regard to the Jan 6th rioters, and she was just as sharp then. Alito couldn't focus then either, so I'm sure Alito will find a way to force his narrative here, too
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Arrogant and whiny, maybe the most annoying combo. He's got the persecution complex, convinced that Christianity is under attack and conservatism is under attack and blah blah -- meanwhile he sits on his throne, crowing about being accountable to no one, while handing down death sentences to those who aren't like him. And when he's criticized, he pens whiny op-eds, because how DARE we.
I think he follows: it's just that he has an absurd position and CAN'T acknowledge it. "Sending it to the states" was supposedly going to be so great for the country -- yet, each of these ridiculous state laws is showing how flawed sending it to the states was. The same thing happened with the Voting Rights Act. They voted that racism was over and that provisions of the Voting Rights Act were no longer necessary. What followed was chaos, with (Southern) states rushing to gerrymander and set up restrictive laws to disenfranchise black people. They will never admit that they were wrong: they'll just pretend they don't see all the problems their rulings have caused.
@@kevinb3812 Dense is the right word. Alito and 3 others on the court are pawns and shouldn't be there. The blame falls on those who corruptly appointed them to further a political agenda. Unless we can find a way to give power to people who are willing to work for the American people rather than themselves, we are screwed.
So women are not just the property of a male, and ward of the state, they are also under the complete authority of an unborn child regardless of the child’s own viability. 🙄
It goes back to male property. That fetus is half the man’s property and by extension gets all the rights and privileges of the father. It’s why they give these babies so much protections, superseding the woman, even though there are already laws that protect the medical autonomy of a person with respect to their organs.
Yep. We are just incubators. Once pregnant we are no longer humans and do not deserve the same rights as a man and an "unborn child". They are more important. At least that is how I feel.
“Nobody is arguing the woman isn’t an individual and she doesn’t deserve stabilization.” Alito doesn’t understand the basic consequences of these laws. Are we supposed to respect these “justices” and their ineptitude? These are the lifetime rulers of our country??
@@maplebones Jo Biden disagrees. And so do many Catholics who can see themselves as devout, by adhering to churches rules as the best practices, without condeming themselves under the antiquated Idea that Priests are the arbiters of their spirituality.
Alito takes it too far, but your underlying premise of no state restrictions on abortion is problematic for 70-80 per cent of people, based on polling.
@@KateWitt I disagree. I'm glad we all get a say in abortion based on how we vote. Only Vermont, Oregon, Washington DC, New Mexico, New Jersey, Colorado and Alaska place zero limits on abortion. I don't find that appropriate and most voters in the other states don't, either. But I respect that we can agree to disagree.
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067 the only people who should have a voice on an abortion is the woman & her doctor. It's private, personal, & should not be up for a vote or for adjudication, or legislation. MYOB
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067 Well, if you think "zero limits on abortion" is aborting a 9 month, full term, healthy baby coming down the birth canal as zero limits, that's on you. How are you that gullible to believe that that is what zero limits means or that any sane woman, doctor or hospital would participate in anything like that or that there are tens of thousands of women actually doing that in these states???? There is no such thing as "zero limits," first of all. There are limits. It's illegal to abort healthy babies at 9 months. What you're referring to is late term abortions. That only happens when the baby is dead or dying in the womb or the baby is too malformed to sustain life or the life of the mother is at risk. Do you live on planet earth???? Are you familiar at all or had any education in human reproduction or googled it???? Do you have human logic and reason???? Have you ever met or spoken to a woman???? Geez!!!!
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067your statement is a perfect example why people should not rely on Fox news only. Restrictions on abortion is not the issue. The legalization of abortion is the problem. 70% of the US agree abortion should be left up to the people who made the pregnancy happen.
Alito uses the presence of the word unborn child to justify no abortion for anyone. He elevates the unborn child above the women by reading rights to the unborn child above the mother. He really is beneath contempt to find a way to eliminate any abortion.
@@YankeeDoodle2 Perhaps, but it must not get more rights than the mother. That is what this is about....fetal rights to access the body of another for its own benefit, regardless of the mother's medical situation or even her free will. Let me know when you are ready to allow laws to REQUIRE you to give me your kidney if I need it to survive......
You’re listening to a man who made his mind up long ago , and isn’t going to change them.Whatever the merits of her arguments , he has already dismissed them.
I live in northern idaho. The laws are so messed up now there are no OBGYN doctors in my out small town. Doctors are afraid of lawsuits because all the legislation is so unclear. It’s a sad day for women and their health+
It’s because the men that want to regulate our bodies, have absolutely no idea how our bodies work! The argument from the radical right wing males on this court today was 🤮
This is horrifying -- the government actually has to defend a woman’s right to life and choice. Shame on alito - shame on all the gop for every single life lost
People listen to these ignorant newscasters pushing their agenda. No one is going to kill a woman and it is a very very rare incidents a woman's life is in danger. Fight for your baby.
The way these men spoke about our bodies and what we go through to become mothers was so disgraceful! They don’t even know how a woman’s body works let alone what we need in emergency care! They actually think women are having abortions because of a mental health crisis, and that just does not happen! Absolutely deplorable🤬🤮🤬
If that "unborn child " is an individual, way can we not give it a social, name, claim on the taxes, insurance, child support, etc? A individual needs to be born first to be considered alive, in my opinion.
Yeah, hospitals risk both of the dying when you could've saved one of them. Women are caring these non viable pregnancies and getting sepsis b/c the fetuses are decaying in the womb. Thanks Pro-life People 🤦🏾♀
@@aureliusleslie173 The original commenter called him a "monster." I'd argue that "monster" is a worse name than "bozo" but you're right, it wasn't productive to call names. I wish we could ALL do better and discuss things civilly, without assuming malicious intent in others. I actually am a former liberal, now I'm quite conservative, but still hold close friendships with people from both sides of the aisle, and it is possible to disagree civilly, which I should have.
The MAGA-GOP absolutely wants it that way. They even want to deny birth control methods if they can gain enough power to do so. We MUST stop and reverse this travesty. They lied in their Senate hearings when they said Roe was established law. They lied so they could grant minority conservative radicals power over women’s lives and inject fear into those who provide medical treatment to pregnant women. They lied to gain power in their lifetime appointment. It is disgusting. 💙
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Satanists do, and in NY where full term abortion is legal, you don't even need a doctor to preform it. Abortion is part of their rituals. They used these exact facts in their legal argument against one of the states.
@@stephaniebrooks8044Which law gives that right when the mother is not in danger?. Glad though you agree abortion is the women's right before nine months then
So Alito can't wrap his head around the concept that if the mother dies then the unborn child dies as well. Perhaps he needs a little lesson in how time works.
Alito should be removed. This should be an option. The Supreme Court is the only government entity without any checks and balances imposed from without. As we can clearly see from the likes of Alito and Thomas, this needs to change.
Im pro choice. All day long. I don’t think Government should be the entity that decides when abortion is appropriate? A woman and her doctor should be the decider. However, if a mother is severely injured in a car crash and dies, a developed fetus can and often does survive and can be born. So, an unborn child can come out of a DEAD woman. Also….what is a woman? That’s a sanity test.
Alito is saying “save the UNBORN child” but NOT the mother… um… LOGIC would indicate that IF you ALLOW THE MOTHER OF AN UNBORN CHILD to die, that because the child is UNBORN the loss of the mother will kill the child. This logic from Alito is asinine, why is he in charge of laws?
How about letting the patient and the doctor decide. There is not enough room in the hospital for the doctors, the patients and the government. Quit criminalizing women's health care.
We need to get rid of the two sexual predators (Tomas and Kavanaugh) and the disgusting misogynist Alito . They make me sick. I disagree with almost everything the other 3 republican activists believe but at least they have some sense of humanity and empathy.
@@DavidWrigley-n2g only hope what? That Republicans are trying to rule over women's bodies? No that is not happening, they placing laws into affect that save the Lives of those children you carelessly want to murder.
Republican women are the only reason the GOP still lives. They must want to be subjugated or enjoy feeling like a possession. The bible and social pressures tells them to shut up and color using only red.
This has nothing to do with sex or gender. The majority are pro-choice including men. Alito wouldn't give a damn about men either...it's religious zealotry.
@@caker610 I understand your point, but we could say mandatory vasectomy, until proven emotionally, physically and financially responsible to procreate. Let's see how that would play out. Do you think men would "allow" for themselves to Not have a choice and face prison for something they had zero control over. It is completely about control. Population control and taking away women's rights to vote imprison them for abortions, they lose the right to vote. Less Dems voting. More Republican voting. It is actually very very simple minded. Just like the men trying to control women and our bodies.
why not hear God's Word? Job 33:4 "the Spirit Of God Has Made me and the BREATH Of the Almighty GIVES Life" - can't take a Gift Not Yet Given or BORN TO RECEIVE.
@@LAFITZ10perhaps at a time like this when we are faced with a daughter or wife in that position where we know medically she could be saved that the choice becomes clearer. 🙏🏼
This is a solid argument. If the fetus has no potential to be born without medical intervention then it can’t be unborn or a child. Life isn’t feasible in that case. It’s a paradoxical argument because one can’t unborn a child. Similarly, no one says “an unknitted sock.”
Pretty sad in the 21st century that this 19th century person has to check with his pope for guidance. How long will America allow this dog and pony show to continue?
The level of misogyny in these arguments. If a woman becomes pregnant she is immediately a second class citizen to a fetus/unborn child. It's just another way for men to covertly control women as if they care about the unborn. Give people proper and affordable health care and then I'll believe your sentiments about an unborn child. This is disturbing.
And the people who are now saying, "I wish I could vote for Biden because I accept that he's done positive things and Trump is a horrible person, *_but GAZA!!!_*
Well done Ms. Prelogar! You represented women well. You didn’t get distracted by erroneous statements made by the judge, and kept the conversation on track. The idea that doctors aren’t allowed to save the woman’s life and/or health during pregnancy is a draconian interpretation of the law and unacceptable.
Love the mansplaining interruptions to the Solicitor General while she's mid sentence answering HIS question about HER individual rights. This is a stunning lack of of self awareness or maybe no interest in it. p.s. You want to see Alito stop talking real fast? Ask him who leaked the Dobbs decision draft.
Let's see if he has to go back to the 15th century again to justify his ignorance of women's reproductive health. Also keep in mind that these IDOT RIGHTIES are not interested in the health of the baby or they would not keep voting down assistance for the mothers and children they are forcing to give birth. The American ANTI ABORTION MOVEMENT is also rooted in good old WHITE SUPERITORITY. They want every white pregnancy to carry to term to maintain a WHITE MAJORITY and every BROWN baby be born to make sure that mother does not compete with a WHITE WOMAND for education or a job.
He's trying to skirt the reversal of Roe. If they rule in any way that favors women's rights they'd essentially reinstate Roe, it'd otherwise be discrimination.
It’s now OBVIOUS that these male judges were not around when THEIR wife was pregnant or even when their children were born.. I don’t believe they even understand how the woman got pregnant in the first place..
7:05 Total mic drop moment! Elizabeth Prelogar has a huge future in public service. I couldn't be more proud if my daughter grew up to be as strong, well-read, confident, and strong as Elizabeth Prelogar!!!
Here is the dictionary definition: "Ironic; happening in a way contrary to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this." You'd expect a man to listen to a woman telling him how she wants to use her own body and get it. You're welcome.
I agree. Call ours representatives on repeat and VOTE BLUE ON EVERY ISSUE. Far-right, self-righteous fascists need put in their place. Out of the courts and out of Congress.
It's actually so embarrassing to hear this line of argumentation from Alito. Not only is he absolutely clueless about the medical intricacies of this problem, but he's also clearly misinterpreting the intention of the statute discussed, either deliberately or ignorantly. Either way, it's not a good look for a justice of the highest court in the land.
@@feffygracie It is a fact that Thomas has recived many luxury holidays from without declaring them. Also his wife Ginny was instrumental in overturning a congressional election, but still he never recused himself in cases he is clearly has a conflict of interest. That is corrupt, no matter how you look at it.
I live in Texas. There have been many cases here where the Attorney General has overridden a judge, who heard arguments and viewed the medical evidence and expert opinion, by threatening every single doctor in the state with the maximum fine and jail time if they provided this woman with the medical care she needed. This same fear of being prosecuted by the state resulted in a woman who had been trying desperately to get pregnant, but the fetus became non-viable. And, here is where I believe she has an excellent lawsuit if she wants it, not that a lawsuit will allow her to become pregnant again (too much damage was done because of the insanity of all this abortion dilemma), she was sent home and told to come back when she started cramping (to expel the non-viable fetus) or when she developed a high fever, essentially became septic. The very minimum that should have been done for this woman was admitting her and starting antibiotics to avoid her developing sepsis and multi-organ failure. Since that wasn’t done, she was almost dead when her husband found her and brought her to the hospital. They removed the object (the dead fetus) which was causing her sepsis and she was sent to the ICU because her sepsis had become so bad. She almost died. Twice! And, there was so much damage done to her because of fear of the sanctions that a man, with no medical training or expertise, threatened all of the doctors in the state. As if she hadn’t already had a hard time getting pregnant. As if that child was just an unwanted mistake (it wasn’t). This state and many others are dictating medical practice, without consulting medical experts for what exceptions might be seen, without allowing the people of the state a chance to vote on the issue! Nope. The Governor and the state’s Attorney General just dictated what their “religious beliefs” say that everyone MUST believe and made their law! In my opinion, beyond even the fact that according to the U.S. Constitution, they have no right to force THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS on every person in the state. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION! Beyond all of that, I believe that they are practicing medicine without a license by taking away the ability of the person with the medical training and expertise and the pregnant lady’s right to determine what is medically necessary and follow through as appropriate.
I see your point and admire your candor. Some clarifications: 1. The Governor and Attorney General are not practising medicine. i) They aren't board certified or registered as legitimate licensed practitioners ii) They have not entered into doctor-patient relationship with the woman you cited ->confidentiality, duty of care, fiduciary responsibility, professionalism These are profesional considerations worldwide that apply so that patients are protected from being manipulated, defrauded and ultimately trust in the profession. If enough doctors do not take this seriously, nobody would trust doctors. iii) They are presuming they have a better ethical understanding than the decisionmaking of trained doctors and seeking to induce Texas doctors to directly harm patients. This is absolutely something that ACLU should be challenging your AG on. Unfortunately you have religious authoritarians in the arms of goverment(judicial, prosecutorial and Supreme Court) all of whom pretend they aren't going to harm women.
He and his cronies don't care. All they care about are the thousands of babies born since Roe ended. Not for the women who may or have died. Not for the lives impacted by the new baby. Not for the baby beyond birth. They think they sleep with the angels.
@@dejure9178 Oh yeah, he has no moral qualms with the pro-killing women position. He dresses it all up, but people are seeing right through him. Vote 💙
Am i hearing it correctly that Alito is saying the unborn child supersedes moms life???? By no F'ing means should that be decided by some dude in a black robe that has no knowledge of that woman or family.
Yes I too am very confused by what he is actually trying to argue....that the fetus trumps the mother's health? Well no b/c he makes that statement no one is saying the mother should be denied life saving treatment. He seems to be saying both should be given life saving treatment. Well DUH!!! but that is not always possible and in cases where the fetus is non-viable/already dead, doctors in states with these restrictions are delaying medically required treatment to the mothers until they are in severe distress/risk of death....b/c of fear of legal reprisals if they perform the abortion to save her before she's about to die.
They also want unwanted pregnancies to trap poor people in a cycle of poverty, and they want more vulnerable kids to abuse and imprison to keep the prison slave complex going.
@@Hcfungfuikbgdhhhwhy? It’s not a privilege to have one’s rights suppressed under a wanna be conservative theocracy. Millions of women around the world know all about that, someone has to keep holding the ground or these nasty men (and some nasty women) will control everything and everyone. Is t this how Western women are supposed to use our privilege? Fighting for equal right?
While my mother was 4 1/2 months pregnant with me, she needed emergency gallbladder surgery. My father told the Surgeon that my mother's life was to be saved above all. Not that he didn't love/want me, but that the 3 children at home needed her and their lives wouldn't be the same without her. It took me awhile but I understood his reasoning and concur. Fortunately we both made it through the fantastic skills of the doctor.
@@hahahaaha7208 this was in the '60s, women had fewer rights than by today's standard. (Which is sliding back lately). My father didn't overrule my mom, as much as they wanted me, the life of the mother outweighs the life of the fetus period.
Jesus died to save others you want mother to kill the baby to supposedly save herself how humans get everything to the contrary, get used to hell. should firefighter try to save you while putting his life at risk?
@@benedibrava If a doctor is saying, you need an abortion or you will most likely die, they do know. There is no whataboutism garbage. They are the professionals.
@@YankeeDoodle2 I am indeed, but I'm born and can live outside of another human's body. Also, as a born person I don't have rights over someone else's body for sustenance or my existence. Again, "unborn child" is a euphemism for a fetus -- and in some cases only a blastocyst -- that supposedly has rights over the body of the person carrying it. It's absurd -- because no person who is born has such rights.
Why is that an argument? That's extremely sexist and shows your misandry. You don't have to be a woman to know what pregnancy is in a theoretical sense. And you don't have to have had an abortion to know it's murder. Were the male judges in 1973 who ruled in favour of abortion qualified to do so? Be consistent. You just don't like people who disagree with your premise to kill the unborn. It has nothing to do with bring male.
@@YankeeDoodle2It’s difficult to see that when he’s willing to risk the health and lives of women, all to save a fetus. Who, by the way, will either die with the mother, or have medical complications as a result of poor mother health, and risk her ability to have more children as well.
This is the typical problem with the complete and utter antithetical argument that Alito makes. He assumes, the ability of the medical doctor to make a decision that he himself is unable to make but only argues chicken and egg law circles. Alito, alone, shows in his argument that fallacy of his stance. How can a doctor make a judgment when the supreme justice of the nation cannot decide who has priority. The alive woman citizen is in every single case the primary and uttermost holder of ALL rights to life. There can be no doubt that any decision no matter how small or faulty that saves the alive citizen's life is just. It is without any recourse or of any issue of any other action by a medical team. The medical team in a decision here is considered totally infallible and can never be questioned or otherwise legally doubted. Stop Legal Mobo Jumbo and side stepping the protection of the alive woman!
Stupid Alito argument.The unborn child does not exist without the woman. If the woman's life is at risk, the medical focus is on her. End of conversation.
Seriously, Alito is no Sherlock.
Let him disappear in History with the same reputation as the Spanish Inquisition...
agreed. He's being a dick!!
He sounds like a complete idiot, the lawyer on the other hand sounds EXTREMELY SMART❤
I agree. This man doesn't understand reality because he lives in some "perfect world": that only exists is in fantasy land.
He's arguing that women shouldn't have emergency treatment due to the phrase "unborn child". Disgusting.
Which one is an actual US citizen with a valid SSN?
"Unborn child" or a US citizen who has held a SSN for years.
"Unborn child" has just as much rights in the US as a Mexican that just crossed the border.
FACTS!
Their World View is based on Human Potential ... more potential = more rights ... if you're 77 years old, you should have fewer rights than a 6wk old fetus. Unfortunately for THEM... we live in America with a US Constitution that grants EQUAL RIGHTS, regardless of potential.
They should have used "clump of cells" instead.
Worse, he's arguing that no one is arguing that, even though that's exactly what Idaho is arguing.
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Or that a pregnant woman has a right to life when her pregnancy threatens it.
Wow that female attorney I applaud 👏 her great job standing up against Supreme Court Justice
That is our Solicitor General, and she is AMAZING. Owns him on the regular, but he just keeps wading back in..
THE SUPREME COURT MUST BE TELEVISED. This ain't 1783!
Audio is available!!
Two treatises by Sir Matthew Hale mentioned nothing of televising court proceedings. The Constitution did not either. Thus Alito would disagree.
THEN GO CHANGE THE LAWS, WE'LL WAIT 🤔😏😅😂
If Republicans had their way this would be 783
Alito would disagree with you on the date.
Since when did these Judges have enough medical training to make an EDUCATED decision about a patients health? How about leaving healthcare to the patient and the doctor.
The crazy thing is they don't even seem concerned about their lack of knowledge and just rule anyway....
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@lionel3469 ~ Practicing medicine without a license, is what the conservative judges are doing.
I'm sure if one of *THEIR* loved ones needed an abortion due to a medical problem, they'd move heaven and earth to find a way to get her to another country for a safe abortion.
@@andrewmoluf4299- I suspect the judges who've been on the court a long time think of themselves as demi-gods.
Good for that female lawyer for standing her ground and not letting alito speak over her or speak down to her.
Elizabeth Prelogar is an absolute legal STUD, she’s likely one of the best lawyers to ever step in the doors of the Supreme Court and her appointment to solicitor general is one of the best things that Biden has ever done.
Alito is demonstrating his total ignorance of medicine. If the fetus is sufficiently developed to survive outside the womb, and the pregnancy is threatening the health/life of the woman, they induce labor and the newborn goes to the NICU for treatment. If the fetus is not sufficiently developed to survive, and the woman's health/life is threatened, then yeah, she's going to have to have an abortion to keep her alive and perhaps able to try again. This happens all the time. But Alito's so ignorant he just wants to try to find some legal hairsplitting to outlaw abortion under all circumstances.
Baby not fetus wretch
Well stated and sensible.
You said it so well! Thanks.
He doesn't care about medicine. Alito believes that unborn babies have more rights than anyone.
@@YankeeDoodle2it is objectively a fetus
What does an old man know about pregnancy.
During my 8th month, I started spotting blood. I was hospitalized in the base hospital on Nellis AFB Las Vegas. When I went to the bathroom, my water broke, and it was 7 weeks early.
The Base Hospital was not set up for premeture babies.
I was transferred to a downtown hospital and placed under a neonatal specialist.
My son was breech and had not decided on the birth canal.
He was at risk of infection and they worried that his lungs were not developed enough for him to breathe on his own. I was at risk for infection because of my son.
For five days I was pumped full of steroids to mature my sons lungs.
I had a C section.
We were lucky there were babies in the NICU that had not been so lucky.
And mothers who had not been.
Men should not have a say in situations that they can't be exposed to themselves.
A man made that child not you
WHY DO THEY HAVE THESE MEN WHO ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS JUDGING WHEN A WOMAN OR HER DOCTOR SHOULD TERMINATE A PREGNANCY. ALSO FOLLOWING LAWS WHICH IS OUT DATED.
Women's health and rights are not a priority in this country. After all the years of my life, to see this happening now is just sickening to me.
The fact that primacy of the pregnant woman's rights is in question is WILD to me. The US has some very unfathomable policy positions.
Alito has already decided he wants a national ban and here is just trying to come up with his justification. Spoiler alert... He is going to side with an unborn mass of cells of a living being because he HATES WOMEN at his core.
Vote Republican to put this country in REVERSE.
Well, you can thank whyte yeah women for their wonderful performance in ushering DJT into the White House.
I don’t wanna hear any whining now from women of no color.
Bluntly it’s because we’ve been living by patriarchal dominant society/constitution. Look at all the issues from women’s rights, lgbtq, immigrants, racism, gun violence. It’s all looted to me like this conservative judge that will never truly emphasize because he is viewing it from his preservative and portion position. The other problem is that too many women end up falling into their husband’s patriarchal demands. Anti-abortion/anti-women’s rights is taught mostly by parent and church. No one is born that vigilant about someone else’s rights to their body And medical choices. That invasive approach has always been conservative aka CONSERVE dominance and outdated monopolies .
Alito's proposition is absurd. If the woman dies because the doctor cannot safely decide whether the the mother's life is of greater legal "worth" than that of the foetus, then the foetus will die anyway. How does Alito suggest the foetus be kept viable after the mother dies?
It doesn’t matter because penis.
he doesn't care (if foetus dies ... if the mother dies ... if YOU die ...)
you're assuming Alito cares.
that's a faulty premise.
(same with thomas. same with gorsuch.)
well he dosen't care about either the woman or the child, I'm sure if a law was made that men had get their testicles cut off to save a woman from getting pregnant and putting her life in danger, this whole argument would stop and women would get the right to medical care when needed.
It's "fetus", not fe-O-tus. Leave the "o" out.
@@christybultsma7900 since you are not well versed in spellings IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ..FOETUS is CORRECT SPELLING.
Alito is completely out of touch with most Americans.
Alito needs another Fishing Trip ... he will rule as he is told to.
Alito is a sick lying pos just like clearance Thomas
Sadly not enough though. There's too many ignoramuses in this country these days.
He is a disgrace and needs to be removed
You must live in a bubble.
This is absolutely unbelievable. I cannot believe, in 2024, women STILL have to fight for basic medical care/rights. Religion doesn't get to decide what I do with my body and what's inside it.
Wow! The solicitor wiped the floor; She even scoffed at his outrageous utterances. Weird and shameful for a supreme court justice.
Yeah that pride in killing children is not going to win her case in the Supreme court.
She was extremely sharp and countered everything that Alito was saying. I'm glad she confronted him. We already know his vote anyway so why hold back?
She did the same was it last week? In regard to the Jan 6th rioters, and she was just as sharp then. Alito couldn't focus then either, so I'm sure Alito will find a way to force his narrative here, too
A fetus is not a child.
@@nomorebushz it sure is Buddy.
She went to toe to toe with him, and I’m here for it! ❤
She could talk ALL DAY and there's no way that alito is going to listen to her. Republican justices are f'n crazy. EXPAND THE COURT!!!
How about replace the court with people voting them in? Plus term limits. How do we not have a say? It’s crazy
The women turn on their own and elected trump. The got what they deserved. Try staying loyal this time or your vote is next.
He's so self righteous and dismissive!!!!
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Arrogant and whiny, maybe the most annoying combo. He's got the persecution complex, convinced that Christianity is under attack and conservatism is under attack and blah blah -- meanwhile he sits on his throne, crowing about being accountable to no one, while handing down death sentences to those who aren't like him. And when he's criticized, he pens whiny op-eds, because how DARE we.
@@shanaluluuu Absolutely!! Out of his lane!! U can feel his hatred for women! It's palpable!!
Wow… Alito’s genuinely unable to follow the arguments presented
I think he follows: it's just that he has an absurd position and CAN'T acknowledge it. "Sending it to the states" was supposedly going to be so great for the country -- yet, each of these ridiculous state laws is showing how flawed sending it to the states was. The same thing happened with the Voting Rights Act. They voted that racism was over and that provisions of the Voting Rights Act were no longer necessary. What followed was chaos, with (Southern) states rushing to gerrymander and set up restrictive laws to disenfranchise black people. They will never admit that they were wrong: they'll just pretend they don't see all the problems their rulings have caused.
He is dense, or simply not trying to understand.
@@kevinb3812 Dense is the right word. Alito and 3 others on the court are pawns and shouldn't be there. The blame falls on those who corruptly appointed them to further a political agenda. Unless we can find a way to give power to people who are willing to work for the American people rather than themselves, we are screwed.
The POTENTIAL viability of a fetus should NEVER come before the ACTUAL viability of the woman!!!
So women are not just the property of a male, and ward of the state, they are also under the complete authority of an unborn child regardless of the child’s own viability. 🙄
It goes back to male property. That fetus is half the man’s property and by extension gets all the rights and privileges of the father. It’s why they give these babies so much protections, superseding the woman, even though there are already laws that protect the medical autonomy of a person with respect to their organs.
That child could be male, it's obviously more important if it is.
Yep. We are just incubators. Once pregnant we are no longer humans and do not deserve the same rights as a man and an "unborn child". They are more important. At least that is how I feel.
DATZ WHAT WHITE MASSA SAYS 😂
So it seems!
Alito is a shame not only for SCOTUS but for human race
“Nobody is arguing the woman isn’t an individual and she doesn’t deserve stabilization.”
Alito doesn’t understand the basic consequences of these laws. Are we supposed to respect these “justices” and their ineptitude? These are the lifetime rulers of our country??
Alito is totally wrong in his interpretation of the statute. He is a monster and his premise is false!
He is so full of himself and so biased, nothing even handed about that Theocratic Fascist.
Well, I don't know about the "premise", but Alito IS a monster! Period.
true.
for both
He's not wrong according to Catholic doctrine. In their view, the baby is worth more than the mother
@@maplebones Jo Biden disagrees. And so do many Catholics who can see themselves as devout, by adhering to churches rules as the best practices, without condeming themselves under the antiquated Idea that Priests are the arbiters of their spirituality.
You know he leaked the decision on roe. He is despicable.
Look into his eyes. He has a demon in him.
We're a short time away from Alito and Thomas being gone. That will be a good day.
What a force to reckon with arguing sharply with Justice Alito. Go girl.
Alito is infuriating. That he wants to inject himself into the room with every woman and her doctor is absolutely disgusting.
Alito takes it too far, but your underlying premise of no state restrictions on abortion is problematic for 70-80 per cent of people, based on polling.
@@KateWitt I disagree. I'm glad we all get a say in abortion based on how we vote. Only Vermont, Oregon, Washington DC, New Mexico, New Jersey, Colorado and Alaska place zero limits on abortion. I don't find that appropriate and most voters in the other states don't, either. But I respect that we can agree to disagree.
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067 the only people who should have a voice on an abortion is the woman & her doctor. It's private, personal, & should not be up for a vote or for adjudication, or legislation.
MYOB
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067
Well, if you think "zero limits on abortion" is aborting a 9 month, full term, healthy baby coming down the birth canal as zero limits, that's on you.
How are you that gullible to believe that that is what zero limits means or that any sane woman, doctor or hospital would participate in anything like that or that there are tens of thousands of women actually doing that in these states????
There is no such thing as "zero limits," first of all. There are limits. It's illegal to abort healthy babies at 9 months. What you're referring to is late term abortions. That only happens when the baby is dead or dying in the womb or the baby is too malformed to sustain life or the life of the mother is at risk.
Do you live on planet earth???? Are you familiar at all or had any education in human reproduction or googled it???? Do you have human logic and reason???? Have you ever met or spoken to a woman???? Geez!!!!
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067your statement is a perfect example why people should not rely on Fox news only. Restrictions on abortion is not the issue. The legalization of abortion is the problem. 70% of the US agree abortion should be left up to the people who made the pregnancy happen.
Alito’s misogyny is not rare, safe and ethical for women.
Outrageous. This is unbelievable Alito thinks that a woman is not worth saving. This is unreal.
Alito uses the presence of the word unborn child to justify no abortion for anyone. He elevates the unborn child above the women by reading rights to the unborn child above the mother. He really is beneath contempt to find a way to eliminate any abortion.
The child's life is just as viable
@@YankeeDoodle2 How many fetuses develop in a dead body?
@@EXE973
0 of these abortion laws threaten the lives of women
@@YankeeDoodle2which becomes a moot point if she dies. Then the fetus dies, too.
@@YankeeDoodle2 Perhaps, but it must not get more rights than the mother. That is what this is about....fetal rights to access the body of another for its own benefit, regardless of the mother's medical situation or even her free will. Let me know when you are ready to allow laws to REQUIRE you to give me your kidney if I need it to survive......
You’re listening to a man who made his mind up long ago , and isn’t going to change them.Whatever the merits of her arguments , he has already dismissed them.
He's a good man
@@YankeeDoodle2 But a rotten judge
I bet he would change his mind, if the price is right!!!
@@YankeeDoodle2No, he's not!!
He is bought and corrupt.
I live in northern idaho. The laws are so messed up now there are no OBGYN doctors in my out small town. Doctors are afraid of lawsuits because all the legislation is so unclear. It’s a sad day for women and their health+
The solicitor general did a good job standing up to Alito and standing her ground.
Yep she was clear and precise, greatest thing a solicitor general can be
Alito still won though
@@YankeeDoodle2nah. He humiliated himself.
@@YankeeDoodle2, she schooled him.
SHE is EXCELLENT
Medicine has come a long way in 150 years, yet they want to refer to abortion from the 1800s
It’s because the men that want to regulate our bodies, have absolutely no idea how our bodies work! The argument from the radical right wing males on this court today was 🤮
Here in AZ our law is from 1864!! WTF?!?!?
@AZbluedot196 it's about control, they dont support women making choices about their own Healthcare.
Right! Before they knew what germs were!
It's still killing a baby .. So much for advanced medicine.
Alito is absolutely advocating from the BENCH!!
This is horrifying -- the government actually has to defend a woman’s right to life and choice. Shame on alito - shame on all the gop for every single life lost
The lives of women are not under any threats
@@YankeeDoodle2 literally every fucking day
People listen to these ignorant newscasters pushing their agenda. No one is going to kill a woman and it is a very very rare incidents a woman's life is in danger. Fight for your baby.
@@YankeeDoodle2 WHERE THE F HAVE YOU BEEN?
@@goodtroublemaker143
Nope not true
The way these men spoke about our bodies and what we go through to become mothers was so disgraceful! They don’t even know how a woman’s body works let alone what we need in emergency care! They actually think women are having abortions because of a mental health crisis, and that just does not happen! Absolutely deplorable🤬🤮🤬
This should never be a decision decided by a court. This decision should only be between the woman and her Dr,
Absolutely!!
This is a no brainer!! Leave it up to the woman and her doctor!!!!
I will never understand why men feel like they should have a say so about this subject
Rare safe and legal
Agreed, but Republican males love to tell everyone else what to do, even when they have no part in it.
@@theoriginalCoCoSmith Because half the babies that are aborted are male
Its not just men....@theoriginalCoCoSmith
The hospital has a duty to the unborn child, but not to the woman. This justice is so stupid.
There is no such thing as an "unborn child."
Correct in this case the term is "fetus" @@leonardodalongisland
Well, the fetus might be male. That's really what all this BS is about.
If that "unborn child " is an individual, way can we not give it a social, name, claim on the taxes, insurance, child support, etc?
A individual needs to be born first to be considered alive, in my opinion.
Yeah, hospitals risk both of the dying when you could've saved one of them. Women are caring these non viable pregnancies and getting sepsis b/c the fetuses are decaying in the womb. Thanks Pro-life People 🤦🏾♀
Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar is a great litigator. I love that she is fighting for our basic rights!!
This monster has no business judging others. His morality is plainly inferior.
nope. you can go to hell
He's a judge, bozo. His business is literally to judge. cry harder
@@BeyondTheRubiconwas it necessary to call names? This is why people don't take y'all serious.
Abortion is inhumane. Women who don't want to get pregnant use birth control.
@@aureliusleslie173 The original commenter called him a "monster." I'd argue that "monster" is a worse name than "bozo" but you're right, it wasn't productive to call names. I wish we could ALL do better and discuss things civilly, without assuming malicious intent in others. I actually am a former liberal, now I'm quite conservative, but still hold close friendships with people from both sides of the aisle, and it is possible to disagree civilly, which I should have.
Alito's condescension is palpable and the Federal Government's lawyer did a great job of slapping that foolishness down.
SG Prelogar handed Alito his ass!!! ....lucky he has emergency care without doctors having to worry about liability.
You can’t force someone to remain pregnant against their will.
In Alito’s interpretation, they absolutely can.
Obviously, you can.
@@mattgrimmer9909 And let's consider how that plays out irl and those implications on society. Is that ideal?
The MAGA-GOP absolutely wants it that way. They even want to deny birth control methods if they can gain enough power to do so. We MUST stop and reverse this travesty. They lied in their Senate hearings when they said Roe was established law. They lied so they could grant minority conservative radicals power over women’s lives and inject fear into those who provide medical treatment to pregnant women. They lied to gain power in their lifetime appointment. It is disgusting. 💙
I am convinced that no woman has ever said, " I hope I get pregnant, so I can have an abortion."
ENOUGH SAID!
Or have an abortion in the 9th month!! How ridiculous!!!
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Satanists do, and in NY where full term abortion is legal, you don't even need a doctor to preform it. Abortion is part of their rituals. They used these exact facts in their legal argument against one of the states.
@@stephaniebrooks8044Which law gives that right when the mother is not in danger?. Glad though you agree abortion is the women's right before nine months then
What about "if I get pregnant, I'll just get an abortion"
@martinhumble That's when her,her partner, and their doctor would make that decision. Not a Judge!!
So Alito can't wrap his head around the concept that if the mother dies then the unborn child dies as well.
Perhaps he needs a little lesson in how time works.
ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!! ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!! ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!
I’d settle for impeached.
Deportation.
@@docraineyIIIthere’s a lot I’d settle for…
Yeah that's too nice. Be a little harsher.
Alito should be removed. This should be an option. The Supreme Court is the only government entity without any checks and balances imposed from without. As we can clearly see from the likes of Alito and Thomas, this needs to change.
An "unborn child" before viability is an extension of the woman, not separate. Arguing to save a non-viable being when its host is dying is absurd.
Well said ❤
Here is something that Alitio doesn’t seem to get. Without a healthy stable LIVE pregnant Woman, there is NO unborn Child!!
Im pro choice. All day long. I don’t think Government should be the entity that decides when abortion is appropriate? A woman and her doctor should be the decider. However, if a mother is severely injured in a car crash and dies, a developed fetus can and often does survive and can be born. So, an unborn child can come out of a DEAD woman. Also….what is a woman? That’s a sanity test.
The Solicitor General did an outstanding job making the case.
Too bad it's all going into deaf ears.
She’s a very good orator. She also argued the Dobbes case but unfortunately lost.
Alito is saying “save the UNBORN child” but NOT the mother… um… LOGIC would indicate that IF you ALLOW THE MOTHER OF AN UNBORN CHILD to die, that because the child is UNBORN the loss of the mother will kill the child. This logic from Alito is asinine, why is he in charge of laws?
I'm thinking he got some dementia setting in or brain issues.
He's Catholic that's why his stance is this way.
How about letting the patient and the doctor decide. There is not enough room in the hospital for the doctors, the patients and the government. Quit criminalizing women's health care.
Alito likes to speak over other people - like another arrogant narcissist with idiotic views on almost any topic you can think of - Donald Trump.
Alito is the worst of them then Clarence the clot.
I can't upvote this enough
At least cow manure fertilizes the soil; nothing Alito or Thomas say or do has worth or value!
We need to get rid of the two sexual predators (Tomas and Kavanaugh) and the disgusting misogynist Alito . They make me sick. I disagree with almost everything the other 3 republican activists believe but at least they have some sense of humanity and empathy.
I noticed that too. He doesn't care. It's a fking disgrace.
Trying to rule over women will be the GOP's downfall. 😂😂
sure will and hopefully these trump judges will be impeached
If it was happening, but it is not happening.
We can only hope...
@@DavidWrigley-n2g only hope what? That Republicans are trying to rule over women's bodies? No that is not happening, they placing laws into affect that save the Lives of those children you carelessly want to murder.
Republican women are the only reason the GOP still lives. They must want to be subjugated or enjoy feeling like a possession. The bible and social pressures tells them to shut up and color using only red.
Just when you thought Thomas was the most detestable justice on the Supreme Court, here comes Alito making his case for that position.
Alito wouldn’t be arguing this if a man life was liable
💯🎯📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣
This has nothing to do with sex or gender. The majority are pro-choice including men. Alito wouldn't give a damn about men either...it's religious zealotry.
@@caker610 I understand your point, but we could say mandatory vasectomy, until proven emotionally, physically and financially responsible to procreate. Let's see how that would play out. Do you think men would "allow" for themselves to Not have a choice and face prison for something they had zero control over.
It is completely about control. Population control and taking away women's rights to vote imprison them for abortions, they lose the right to vote. Less Dems voting. More Republican voting. It is actually very very simple minded. Just like the men trying to control women and our bodies.
If men got pregnant you would be able to get an abortion at a drive-thru.
Exactly 💯%
How can a „unborn child“ survive, when the mother is on the brink to die??
No women want‘s or choses the death of their child!!
350million abortions moms kill there kids
why not hear God's Word? Job 33:4 "the Spirit Of God Has Made me and the BREATH Of the Almighty GIVES Life" - can't take a Gift Not Yet Given or BORN TO RECEIVE.
It seems their premise is "better to lose both rather than end a pregnancy and save the mother and preserve her health"
@@LAFITZ10perhaps at a time like this when we are faced with a daughter or wife in that position where we know medically she could be saved that the choice becomes clearer. 🙏🏼
@@LAFITZ10 That sure does sound like a great argument for life beginning at first breath.
I'm not pro abortion but there are many circumstances that require an abortion to protect the woman.
No one is PRO abortion....
Smh. Pro CHOICE.V
A baby in the womb is not an unborn child. It is a potential child. We have no idea if it will ever be born.
This is a solid argument. If the fetus has no potential to be born without medical intervention then it can’t be unborn or a child. Life isn’t feasible in that case. It’s a paradoxical argument because one can’t unborn a child. Similarly, no one says “an unknitted sock.”
Well, if the mother dies, we can be pretty sure that the unborn child is going to stay that way
It's a fetus. No other word for it. It's not a baby or a child of any kind.
Term limits for the Supremes!
Nope.
And stop calling them ‘supremes’ - they are everything but.
@@RP-ue9wyYes, coward.
YEP. And let us vote on them.
TELL THAT TO CONGRESS & THEY AIN'T ON TH-cam RIGHT NOW 😂😅😂
That lawyer is good, she stood her ground, was not intimidated, and was very well spoken.
Sounded like a debate between me and my wife when she's 100% in the right and I'm being too bone-headed to concede.
Thank you for your self awareness, which Alito lacks. Shame on him!
5 minutes into an agreement I literally say "Just tell me why I'm wrong because I can already realise you're making points I can't refute"
Alito is so disingenuous. It’s disgusting.
He's an ignorant, sexist zealot denying US citizens their rights by forcing his primitive religion on us.
Might I suggest a paper bag like they have them on Airplanes? I sure have several next to my computer when watching these things :-) Or news recently.
Yep. He knows the argument is idiotic rather than clever or ingenious.
Pretty sad in the 21st century that this 19th century person has to check with his pope for guidance. How long will America allow this dog and pony show to continue?
He's corrupt, takes bribes.
Might as well call the fetus an "unborn adult."
The level of misogyny in these arguments. If a woman becomes pregnant she is immediately a second class citizen to a fetus/unborn child. It's just another way for men to covertly control women as if they care about the unborn. Give people proper and affordable health care and then I'll believe your sentiments about an unborn child. This is disturbing.
Remember all the people in 2016 that said “I just can’t bring myself to vote for Hillary” … well, how’s that working out for you ?
She won by 3 million voters and the Electoral College overrode our votes.
It's working great.
And the people who are now saying, "I wish I could vote for Biden because I accept that he's done positive things and Trump is a horrible person, *_but GAZA!!!_*
I was thinking the same thing 😢
@@allanmason3201and what will trump do about that ?? I can’t believe people that are not in the cult still consider not to vote for Biden
So scary
Well done Ms. Prelogar! You represented women well. You didn’t get distracted by erroneous statements made by the judge, and kept the conversation on track. The idea that doctors aren’t allowed to save the woman’s life and/or health during pregnancy is a draconian interpretation of the law and unacceptable.
Love the mansplaining interruptions to the Solicitor General while she's mid sentence answering HIS question about HER individual rights. This is a stunning lack of of self awareness or maybe no interest in it.
p.s.
You want to see Alito stop talking real fast? Ask him who leaked the Dobbs decision draft.
Alito makes my blood boil!
Let's see if he has to go back to the 15th century again to justify his ignorance of women's reproductive health. Also keep in mind that these IDOT RIGHTIES are not interested in the health of the baby or they would not keep voting down assistance for the mothers and children they are forcing to give birth. The American ANTI ABORTION MOVEMENT is also rooted in good old WHITE SUPERITORITY. They want every white pregnancy to carry to term to maintain a WHITE MAJORITY and every BROWN baby be born to make sure that mother does not compete with a WHITE WOMAND for education or a job.
He's trying to skirt the reversal of Roe. If they rule in any way that favors women's rights they'd essentially reinstate Roe, it'd otherwise be discrimination.
So better take a cold shower. It ain’t gonna stop
Alito is a liar.
Vote blue for all this nonsense to end
Basically his argument, Justice Alito's is, the unborn child is more important than the mothers. Which is absolute garbage.
It’s now OBVIOUS that these male judges were not around when THEIR wife was pregnant or even when their children were born..
I don’t believe they even understand how the woman got pregnant in the first place..
Rules for thee, not for me. The swamp and religious fanatics happily do whatever they want. These rules are for the working class.
Alito got caught in a freak storm and travelled from medieval times.
bruh why did the US invade Afghanistan just to form it's own Taliban-esq rule later? You can both oppress women - no need to compete
Alito has an agenda and is not unbiased. This Court is beyond disappointing.
SCOTUS prioritizes going after American's body autonomy BEFORE deciding if its leader can commit murder without repercussions-an absolute outrage.
7:05 Total mic drop moment! Elizabeth Prelogar has a huge future in public service. I couldn't be more proud if my daughter grew up to be as strong, well-read, confident, and strong as Elizabeth Prelogar!!!
Based on your powerful comment I wager your daughter won’t let you down one bit.
Does the judge think the " child" can live inside a dead woman?
It’s child. Y’all will do anything and everything to make an innocent child in the womb seem like it’s not as much of a person as the mother is
Anyone else find it ironic that there's a female lawyer essentially telling a male judge he doesn't get it?
That's not irony. That's our life as women daily. Irony would be a male lawyer schooling a female Supreme Court Justice on this.
Abortion is inhumane. Women who don't want to get pregnant use birth control.
@@dharmafuller4331Ginger has nothing to do with anything here. This focus on the mirror of the discussion and become a better person.
You need a dictionary. Exact opposite of irony
Here is the dictionary definition: "Ironic; happening in a way contrary to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this." You'd expect a man to listen to a woman telling him how she wants to use her own body and get it. You're welcome.
Please reform this Court
All that Money the Retrumplicans Have wasted to removed the rights from women is unbelievable. How can people vote for Them ?
Hundredth
100%
I agree. Call ours representatives on repeat and VOTE BLUE ON EVERY ISSUE.
Far-right, self-righteous fascists need put in their place. Out of the courts and out of Congress.
+ 4 years service and 2 term limit.
+ Give voters the right to vote them in/out and block nominated judges.
It's actually so embarrassing to hear this line of argumentation from Alito. Not only is he absolutely clueless about the medical intricacies of this problem, but he's also clearly misinterpreting the intention of the statute discussed, either deliberately or ignorantly. Either way, it's not a good look for a justice of the highest court in the land.
Justice Alito just wants to harm women. Period.
AGREE!!! What a dinosaur man.
He definitely has some hate in his heart for women!! U can feel it!!!!
Justice Thomas is totally corrupt. And that’s not hyperbole. It’s a fact.
No, it's your opinion.
@@feffygracieDifferent strokes for Different folks.
too bad he didn't take the bribe from John Oliver
@@feffygracie No, it's a well document fact. Educate yourself...
@@feffygracie It is a fact that Thomas has recived many luxury holidays from without declaring them. Also his wife Ginny was instrumental in overturning a congressional election, but still he never recused himself in cases he is clearly has a conflict of interest. That is corrupt, no matter how you look at it.
Impeach Justices Alito and Thomas.
I live in Texas. There have been many cases here where the Attorney General has overridden a judge, who heard arguments and viewed the medical evidence and expert opinion, by threatening every single doctor in the state with the maximum fine and jail time if they provided this woman with the medical care she needed. This same fear of being prosecuted by the state resulted in a woman who had been trying desperately to get pregnant, but the fetus became non-viable. And, here is where I believe she has an excellent lawsuit if she wants it, not that a lawsuit will allow her to become pregnant again (too much damage was done because of the insanity of all this abortion dilemma), she was sent home and told to come back when she started cramping (to expel the non-viable fetus) or when she developed a high fever, essentially became septic. The very minimum that should have been done for this woman was admitting her and starting antibiotics to avoid her developing sepsis and multi-organ failure. Since that wasn’t done, she was almost dead when her husband found her and brought her to the hospital. They removed the object (the dead fetus) which was causing her sepsis and she was sent to the ICU because her sepsis had become so bad. She almost died. Twice! And, there was so much damage done to her because of fear of the sanctions that a man, with no medical training or expertise, threatened all of the doctors in the state. As if she hadn’t already had a hard time getting pregnant. As if that child was just an unwanted mistake (it wasn’t). This state and many others are dictating medical practice, without consulting medical experts for what exceptions might be seen, without allowing the people of the state a chance to vote on the issue! Nope. The Governor and the state’s Attorney General just dictated what their “religious beliefs” say that everyone MUST believe and made their law! In my opinion, beyond even the fact that according to the U.S. Constitution, they have no right to force THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS on every person in the state. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION! Beyond all of that, I believe that they are practicing medicine without a license by taking away the ability of the person with the medical training and expertise and the pregnant lady’s right to determine what is medically necessary and follow through as appropriate.
I see your point and admire your candor.
Some clarifications:
1. The Governor and Attorney General are not practising medicine.
i) They aren't board certified or registered as legitimate licensed practitioners
ii) They have not entered into doctor-patient relationship with the woman you cited
->confidentiality, duty of care, fiduciary responsibility, professionalism
These are profesional considerations worldwide that apply so that patients are protected from being manipulated, defrauded and ultimately trust in the profession. If enough doctors do not take this seriously, nobody would trust doctors.
iii) They are presuming they have a better ethical understanding than the decisionmaking of trained doctors and seeking to induce Texas doctors to directly harm patients.
This is absolutely something that ACLU should be challenging your AG on. Unfortunately you have religious authoritarians in the arms of goverment(judicial, prosecutorial and Supreme Court) all of whom pretend they aren't going to harm women.
@@sivabalanretnasamy650 Christofascists are looking for a theonomy and Christian Reconstructionism. Look it up.
How many women have to die in the ER for Alito to feel justice has been served?
He and his cronies don't care. All they care about are the thousands of babies born since Roe ended. Not for the women who may or have died. Not for the lives impacted by the new baby. Not for the baby beyond birth. They think they sleep with the angels.
@@jjteacher7482 some of them even said "we don't have enough babies to adopt!"
@@jawstrock2215there are plenty of children to adopt though just not all infants
Alito’s bloodlust will never be assuaged. What a monster.
@@dejure9178 Oh yeah, he has no moral qualms with the pro-killing women position. He dresses it all up, but people are seeing right through him. Vote 💙
Samuel Alito seems to think that he is a Supreme Being, rather than a member of the Supreme Court. He is a woeful person to have such power.
Am i hearing it correctly that Alito is saying the unborn child supersedes moms life???? By no F'ing means should that be decided by some dude in a black robe that has no knowledge of that woman or family.
or medicine for that matter.
Not to mention poor grasp of human biology! He embraces his ignorance.
Yes I too am very confused by what he is actually trying to argue....that the fetus trumps the mother's health? Well no b/c he makes that statement no one is saying the mother should be denied life saving treatment. He seems to be saying both should be given life saving treatment. Well DUH!!! but that is not always possible and in cases where the fetus is non-viable/already dead, doctors in states with these restrictions are delaying medically required treatment to the mothers until they are in severe distress/risk of death....b/c of fear of legal reprisals if they perform the abortion to save her before she's about to die.
Abortion ban is not about babies, it’s about controlling women.
In virtually every abortion a baby dies. How is that not about babies ?
They also want unwanted pregnancies to trap poor people in a cycle of poverty, and they want more vulnerable kids to abuse and imprison to keep the prison slave complex going.
Of course. We aren't fools.
That’s your privilege talking.
@@Hcfungfuikbgdhhhwhy? It’s not a privilege to have one’s rights suppressed under a wanna be conservative theocracy. Millions of women around the world know all about that, someone has to keep holding the ground or these nasty men (and some nasty women) will control everything and everyone. Is t this how Western women are supposed to use our privilege? Fighting for equal right?
This is crazy. He has not been to medical school. So he is making a judgment from a phrase instead of somebody health , between life and death 😮wow
Alito is mincing justice and the law with his personal beliefs.
Why is he a judge?
While my mother was 4 1/2 months pregnant with me, she needed emergency gallbladder surgery. My father told the Surgeon that my mother's life was to be saved above all. Not that he didn't love/want me, but that the 3 children at home needed her and their lives wouldn't be the same without her. It took me awhile but I understood his reasoning and concur. Fortunately we both made it through the fantastic skills of the doctor.
😂So the mother was saved only because a man butted in and he needed someone to raise his children. How is that in any way ok to you?
@@hahahaaha7208 this was in the '60s, women had fewer rights than by today's standard. (Which is sliding back lately). My father didn't overrule my mom, as much as they wanted me, the life of the mother outweighs the life of the fetus period.
One of the biggest mistakes ever made was Alito's mother not aborting him
He's not even listening to her he is waiting to talk.
The amount they interrupt is crazy.
You go Elizabeth!
She was absolutely masterful today! Even Amy Barrett… said these radical dudes were being offensive. She even said that she was stunned.
@@MARR_2024 well she had to say something.
Yes by defending death
@@YankeeDoodle2 boo hoo
He's literally placing the unborn fetus over the life of the mother. He is a disgrace.
Jesus died to save others
you want mother to kill the baby to supposedly save herself
how humans get everything to the contrary, get used to hell.
should firefighter try to save you while putting his life at risk?
np one ever know if mother may die
but even then
no one should pick who choose die
@@benedibrava If a doctor is saying, you need an abortion or you will most likely die, they do know. There is no whataboutism garbage. They are the professionals.
OMG… An UNBORN CHILD IS NOT A CHILD ! BECAUSE IT IS NOT YET BORN !
Not according to religious nut jobs.
It's a made-up phrase so the "pro life" folks can pretend they're not referring to a conglomeration of cells.
Yet it is
@@dvbernard
You are just a conglomeration of cells
@@YankeeDoodle2 I am indeed, but I'm born and can live outside of another human's body. Also, as a born person I don't have rights over someone else's body for sustenance or my existence. Again, "unborn child" is a euphemism for a fetus -- and in some cases only a blastocyst -- that supposedly has rights over the body of the person carrying it. It's absurd -- because no person who is born has such rights.
An old white MAN telling a YOUNG woman about abortion and pregnacy is more than outrageous
Why is that an argument? That's extremely sexist and shows your misandry. You don't have to be a woman to know what pregnancy is in a theoretical sense. And you don't have to have had an abortion to know it's murder. Were the male judges in 1973 who ruled in favour of abortion qualified to do so? Be consistent. You just don't like people who disagree with your premise to kill the unborn. It has nothing to do with bring male.
My thoughts exactly. 👍👍
I agree with you but what’s his race got to do with it? If the black judge said the same thing, would his argument have more credibility?
Regardless of race, Alison and Thomas have already made their decision due to their ideological beliefs
@@shortestwidereceiver The woman was also white so WHAT exactly is your problem
When your whole argument boils down to semantics, you have no argument.
Agree!
I would ask you, Alito, to be a human being...what a monster to not see the humanity
He is
@@YankeeDoodle2It’s difficult to see that when he’s willing to risk the health and lives of women, all to save a fetus. Who, by the way, will either die with the mother, or have medical complications as a result of poor mother health, and risk her ability to have more children as well.
Here we are again. Judges and lawyers practicing medicine. Alito you are not a doctor.
This is the typical problem with the complete and utter antithetical argument that Alito makes. He assumes, the ability of the medical doctor to make a decision that he himself is unable to make but only argues chicken and egg law circles. Alito, alone, shows in his argument that fallacy of his stance. How can a doctor make a judgment when the supreme justice of the nation cannot decide who has priority. The alive woman citizen is in every single case the primary and uttermost holder of ALL rights to life. There can be no doubt that any decision no matter how small or faulty that saves the alive citizen's life is just. It is without any recourse or of any issue of any other action by a medical team. The medical team in a decision here is considered totally infallible and can never be questioned or otherwise legally doubted. Stop Legal Mobo Jumbo and side stepping the protection of the alive woman!
What a superstar our SG is. She made Alito come off as unqualified to sit on the USSC.