I don't know what Defoe's talking about re Spurs conceding goals - they'd let in 19 all season before the Lpool game, the third-best record in the Prem. Do your homework, Jermaine!
Tottenham manager play a quality brand of football, but unfortunately he doesn't have enough qualities players. But i really like him and wish him the best of luck.
Spurs fans have been saying that for 40 yrs and the reality is that as long as Levy is in control spurs they will always be a selling club and the inconsistency of the team is reflective of their main man Madison who LBH just isn't going to win anything.
To get to the future, you have to win enough games in the present and earn that future. If this continues, Ange may well find that his position is no longer tenable. It's quite difficult to explain to fans and to your chairman why Bournemouth (and maybe Forest, although they've spent money) are above you in the table.
I really want to know what kind of defensive masterclass people were expecting from a back four with Gray as a center-back and who have never started a game together before.
These guys are supposedly experts but they can’t seem to grasp that Ange doesn’t care- it’s all about team growth. They were never going to beat Liverpool atm but it gave them another chance to learn and develop playing THEIR football. The idea that that Ange would ask Forster not to play out from the back is completely against his philosophy of emboldening the players. Forster NEEDS to get back on the horse. Plan b is to do plan A better.
You may be right but I don't think so. He' another Bielsa at Leeds who played exciting attacking stuff but kept on losing. Bielsa eventually got the sack and Leeds have reverted to playing like everyone else. Ange will go the same way. This starry-eyed philosophy of playing aka "plan A" ain't gonna work in the the PL. It's too tough and too cynical.
How does shipping 6 at home, with half the stadium walking on 60mins help develop their football? What's training for? Ange is desperate, he has no plan B, so has no option, is why he is belligerent.
If you can't use the fact that your club is decimated by injuries as an excuse, what can you use as an excuse? Spurs are trying to negotiate diffiult circumstances currently and are forced to put out the same team to play a high intensity style game after game. Ange has brought in a style that he has proved works and it will when he gets stability. This discussion is all theoretical when Ange is dealing with an ugly practical situation. Discussion by good players in their day, but not proven managers at a high level - murder by media. Ange is wiser than they give him credit.
No. These guys were seasoned pros at the highest level and know what their talking about in contrast to the ignorant drivel being posted in the comments section.
put top class players there, without Ange changing a thing, and you’ll see wonders. Klopp didn’t Modify his style when he had that brendan rodgers team. he just got better players!
Oh my god really!! All 3 played at the highest level - has Ange? they all know how a game of football should be played - it's no good Owen scoring a hit trick every game, if the other team score 4 every game! what part of that doesn't anyone understand! All these players at Spurs are well paid, they should be able to A - defend better and B - think for themselves and not just be like sheep and do what the manger always wants, because as Spurs fan have found out over the last 20 years, the manger will get the sack sooner or later!!
@@sonny1987100 Many of the most influential managers throughout history have had negligible playing careers, while the vast majority of great players have had awful or nonexistent managerial careers.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi Its just who we are. Defoe is a Spurs employee still, he is skating a tricky line by being vocal about Ange, the gaffer?
Ange has been around a long time, he knows what he’s doing, he played this way forever and has had many successes and trophies, it’s a proven winning formula.
Bar his spell with Celtic, he's basically managed a clutch of clubs in the Australian league. The idea that he's some kind of European master coach is risible!
@@tonycurrie1 As well as the Australian National Team to the Asian Cup and QF for World Cup - took over a team in Japan hadn't won league for years, mid-table - Ange worked through a translator, wins the double next year. And let's not bar his time with Celtic if you don't mind. Did he not improve Spurs league position in Year 1? 26 years of hard graft. Show some respect Tony 'Church of Scotland' Currie... :D
Ange has experience winning trophies in inferior leagues. He doesn’t have the necessary experience managing at the highest levels of football in Europe. Unfortunately, he’s out of his depth. He’s had two seasons to sort out the teams defensive frailties and failed. Poor defending has been the team’s undoing when playing our first choice defenders let alone with Romero, VDV and Vicario out. He lacks any nouse, his in game management is awful. He can’t react to the flow and change things up to impact the game in our favour. As is often said he has no plan B. If plan A isn’t working he persists with it instead of making changes. He needs to tweak his style of play to adapt to the available players and opposition. He just isn’t capable of doing it. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. The stats don’t lie. He needs to learn from his mistakes, not keep repeating them.
@ he’s done the same thing over and over and has won lots of trophies, whichever teams and leagues, good and not so good players, it’s a successful tactic and more so now in world sport.
You all need to consider the type of play that Postacoglue wants. Can anyone of you run full speed for 90+ consider the injuries the players have. Of course they will now have energy problems. Why is it that none of them question the tactics. Be honest you cannot run at those tempos for 90 minutes straight. I think he has good players but you definitely need some tactical ability, calm it down, bring the other team in and then go at them. You cannot be pressing for 90 minutes. Fkg simple, any of you try it. Get your fit bit on and run full speed and see how long you last
Come man Tottenham have 10 players out, and the quality of players maybe Son wouldn't make the liverpool team. Although Son is now old and bad at dribbling. Give him a superstar and see how he goes.
Thank You Peter and Michael! It's what they are being told to do that has got Spurs playing in a robotic way, that when it goes wrong, it goes very wrong. And when you have a coach who tells you, "We are not going to change regardless!" then you can only expect that things at times will get very bad! It's no good trying to put it on the players who are doing their best to make this dumb system work. And to be clear, it's only dumb because it is unadaptable because of the manager's insistence! And one other thing, it's not that the Liverpool 11 are so much better than the Spurs 11, although they are better, if you swap the manager's around, I wage you that Spurs would come out on top! Liverpool, from what we can all see so far, have brought in GOLD in the form of Arne!
when are these pundits going to become managers if they know so much how to structure a team. Pundits used to say that being able to play the same team was a strength, and all the best teams did used to play the same 11 over and over again. go back and look at the liverpool team when they were dominating in England and in Europe, pretty much same 11. now suddenly it is bad to play the same team twice?, BS. Plus, how could anyone have a plan B in that match when you are 3-1 down? it would be more sensible to say they needed a better plan A
For as long as I can remember this is a Spurs team , brilliant performance one week , ridiculously poor the next , regardless of the team or the manager. Fact is it’s not in their DNA to win the big cups or the league , it’s like we all know England have fantastic talent but they win never win the World Cup . Spurs will always be a mid table side and unless they get in a exorcises to remove the curse they will always be remembered as the greatest team never to win the league.
The robotic data driven football is a microcosm of what is taking place in some areas of society. It describes well what Rudolf Steiner forewarned of the impact of technology/ ahrimanic and its influence on human nature and inspiration.
Insane commentary. These "pundits" are literally spouting the exact opposite of reality. Tottenham is one of the least robotic teams in the league; Forster's mistakes came from lazy backwards passing from other players, and there are videos of Ange screaming at players for passing back unnecessarily; Forster's second mistake came from his trying to launch the ball instead of playing out like he's supposed to. As for defensive responsibility, Tottenham started against Liverpool in a mid-to-low block and then the players started chasing the game without regard for rest defense. If anything, Ange should be more strict on how his players press and play out from the back. Awful punditry.
Ange doesn't know what plan Bs or Cs are. He literally said that. For God sakes, hire a manager who has some game, some tactics, some nuance. Good managers can get results even when their team is short-handed or having a bad day. Never with Ange.
Great plan! Spurs could solve all problems by looking to get in Mourinho or Conte or even Nuno Espirito Santo......oh wait.....maybe Ange isn't the problem????
@@lloyd0006 Mourinho was a disaster, Conte might have come good but he raged against the media and basically quit. Nuno deserved more time. Ange has not coached anywhere near the levels of these past gaffers and he refuses to learn and adjust. No way Spurs can ever acquire the elite athletic players Angeball requires.
@@dmerls8571 there was only ever one way Spurs could have got some kind of result against that Liverpool team and that would have been to play a very low block, no risks, just defend for 90 minutes . To Dare Is To Park The Bus. Maybe they should look at bringing in Sean Dyche? 😂
@@lloyd0006 Some parking of the bus is fine, it's done in every league, every tourney and by top teams at times. Imagine being a defender under Ange and all the emergency defense required, my hamstrings are sore just thinking of it.
Why is ange being given ao much time when mourinho was sacked before a cup final, conte was sacked when spurs were 4th and finished 4th the season before. Nuno was barely given a chance. Makes no sense how this guy is getting so much time
Schmeichel: "...in a situation. What situation?" The situation that there are 8-10 first team players unavailable. Ange clearly referred to it in his interview. 😄 Played a match on Thursday while Liverpool had a week off yet no context given. A makeshift CB pairing including an 18 year old midfielder alongside a 22 year old that is within his 1st year in England. Individual mistakes cost the game, not the brand of football.
The panel. Owen the turncoat. Defoe overrated ignorant Schmeical - a goalie who cares No English managers in this league except 1 at Everton. English know nothing about football
Micheal owen wasnt a good enough player too critiscise anyone when you can have 10 solid years withouth that many injuries then you can slagg of the birds in the trees for all i care
No, he was an amazing player and a prolific goal scorer although he did slow down too quickly after his initial burst on the scene. Mostly used him as a sub at Real but he would repeatedly score.
I've watched football for a long time and this Ange is an imposter...can't believe what you all say about him and that "Ange-ball" crap whatever that is
I don't know what Defoe's talking about re Spurs conceding goals - they'd let in 19 all season before the Lpool game, the third-best record in the Prem. Do your homework, Jermaine!
@@tonycurrie1 bunch of ignoramus’s
Tottenham manager play a quality brand of football, but unfortunately
he doesn't have enough qualities players. But i really like him and wish him the best of luck.
No one cares guys, the level we want to play at is in the future. Keep saying we can't. When we do it will be a pleasure pointing it out to you.
Spurs fans have been saying that for 40 yrs and the reality is that as long as Levy is in control spurs they will always be a selling club and the inconsistency of the team is reflective of their main man Madison who LBH just isn't going to win anything.
@ The Lewis Family are the problem. The majority shareholders. Nothing significant can happen without their approval.
To get to the future, you have to win enough games in the present and earn that future. If this continues, Ange may well find that his position is no longer tenable. It's quite difficult to explain to fans and to your chairman why Bournemouth (and maybe Forest, although they've spent money) are above you in the table.
Based on what facts?
I really want to know what kind of defensive masterclass people were expecting from a back four with Gray as a center-back and who have never started a game together before.
These guys are supposedly experts but they can’t seem to grasp that Ange doesn’t care- it’s all about team growth. They were never going to beat Liverpool atm but it gave them another chance to learn and develop playing THEIR football. The idea that that Ange would ask Forster not to play out from the back is completely against his philosophy of emboldening the players. Forster NEEDS to get back on the horse. Plan b is to do plan A better.
Well said
You may be right but I don't think so. He' another Bielsa at Leeds who played exciting attacking stuff but kept on losing. Bielsa eventually got the sack and Leeds have reverted to playing like everyone else. Ange will go the same way. This starry-eyed philosophy of playing aka "plan A" ain't gonna work in the the PL. It's too tough and too cynical.
How does shipping 6 at home, with half the stadium walking on 60mins help develop their football? What's training for?
Ange is desperate, he has no plan B, so has no option, is why he is belligerent.
Which players would want to play for Spurs? Rejects from other top clubs, which won't get you anything.
@@gavina5857that guy is just yapping lol
If you can't use the fact that your club is decimated by injuries as an excuse, what can you use as an excuse? Spurs are trying to negotiate diffiult circumstances currently and are forced to put out the same team to play a high intensity style game after game. Ange has brought in a style that he has proved works and it will when he gets stability. This discussion is all theoretical when Ange is dealing with an ugly practical situation. Discussion by good players in their day, but not proven managers at a high level - murder by media. Ange is wiser than they give him credit.
Like all the previous managers/coaches (under Daniel Levy)he isn't backed to compete with the other top teams.
Ange: "No no, I don't like losing mate.
Also Ange: "I'm not going to change mate.."
Why do you assume that changing is going to stop Spurs from losing?
No. These guys were seasoned pros at the highest level and know what their talking about in contrast to the ignorant drivel being posted in the comments section.
put top class players there, without Ange changing a thing, and you’ll see wonders.
Klopp didn’t Modify his style when he had that brendan rodgers team. he just got better players!
Owen is spot on!
It's a very good point about data and systems and philosophy driven football. There is no room for ingenuity or sour of the moment stuff.
Bottom line is every great team needs a solid defence, Ange is trying to reinvent the wheel ,it will be attractive but ultimately it will fail.
Great wee channel this, I’ve just subbed. Good work guys
Iv been saying this for years.....where have all the world class players gone? The individuality?
How much manager experience on the panel?
Oh my god really!! All 3 played at the highest level - has Ange? they all know how a game of football should be played - it's no good Owen scoring a hit trick every game, if the other team score 4 every game! what part of that doesn't anyone understand! All these players at Spurs are well paid, they should be able to A - defend better and B - think for themselves and not just be like sheep and do what the manger always wants, because as Spurs fan have found out over the last 20 years, the manger will get the sack sooner or later!!
@@sonny1987100 Many of the most influential managers throughout history have had negligible playing careers, while the vast majority of great players have had awful or nonexistent managerial careers.
As a Forest fan, I'd wish they play like that on Boxing Day.
Who ever says teams are boring out of possession, apart from Defoe?
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
Its just who we are.
Defoe is a Spurs employee still, he is skating a tricky line by being vocal about Ange, the gaffer?
Ange has been around a long time, he knows what he’s doing, he played this way forever and has had many successes and trophies, it’s a proven winning formula.
Bar his spell with Celtic, he's basically managed a clutch of clubs in the Australian league. The idea that he's some kind of European master coach is risible!
@@tonycurrie1 As well as the Australian National Team to the Asian Cup and QF for World Cup - took over a team in Japan hadn't won league for years, mid-table - Ange worked through a translator, wins the double next year. And let's not bar his time with Celtic if you don't mind. Did he not improve Spurs league position in Year 1? 26 years of hard graft. Show some respect Tony 'Church of Scotland' Currie... :D
@@videohistorysnippets8963 aye ok pal
Ange has experience winning trophies in inferior leagues. He doesn’t have the necessary experience managing at the highest levels of football in Europe. Unfortunately, he’s out of his depth. He’s had two seasons to sort out the teams defensive frailties and failed. Poor defending has been the team’s undoing when playing our first choice defenders let alone with Romero, VDV and Vicario out. He lacks any nouse, his in game management is awful. He can’t react to the flow and change things up to impact the game in our favour. As is often said he has no plan B. If plan A isn’t working he persists with it instead of making changes. He needs to tweak his style of play to adapt to the available players and opposition. He just isn’t capable of doing it. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. The stats don’t lie. He needs to learn from his mistakes, not keep repeating them.
@ he’s done the same thing over and over and has won lots of trophies, whichever teams and leagues, good and not so good players, it’s a successful tactic and more so now in world sport.
You all need to consider the type of play that Postacoglue wants.
Can anyone of you run full speed for 90+ consider the injuries the players have.
Of course they will now have energy problems.
Why is it that none of them question the tactics.
Be honest you cannot run at those tempos for 90 minutes straight.
I think he has good players but you definitely need some tactical ability, calm it down, bring the other team in and then go at them. You cannot be pressing for 90 minutes. Fkg simple, any of you try it. Get your fit bit on and run full speed and see how long you last
Owen shouldn’t ever comment on players after the way he treated Newcastle - cannot stand the imp
Spurs fans, I bet its not boring at the moment ?
Lets be honest strikers know nothing about the overall nature of a game of football. Probably why we dont see many ex strikers being top tier managers
If you play peak Barcelona or Derby County do you approach those matches with same set up and tactics? You play just one way.
Pep and Klopp were set in their way and seemed to do alright 😉
Why does this interviewer sound like a counsellor trying to coach Ange to what he thinks should be the “right” answer
Television has destroyed football. The game has been manufactured to make it look pretty.
Come man Tottenham have 10 players out, and the quality of players maybe Son wouldn't make the liverpool team. Although Son is now old and bad at dribbling. Give him a superstar and see how he goes.
Why can't he stop looking at the floor? Comes across as really dim and i feel sorry for the fans having him as a manager
Levy will back Ange again in January and get him a couple more 18 year olds, then sack him 2months later.
Good listen from three great footballers who played when footy was the guvnor
Between the injuries and the exhaustion spurs players arent worth much maybe danny can save more money in light of this.
Thank You Peter and Michael! It's what they are being told to do that has got Spurs playing in a robotic way, that when it goes wrong, it goes very wrong. And when you have a coach who tells you, "We are not going to change regardless!" then you can only expect that things at times will get very bad! It's no good trying to put it on the players who are doing their best to make this dumb system work. And to be clear, it's only dumb because it is unadaptable because of the manager's insistence! And one other thing, it's not that the Liverpool 11 are so much better than the Spurs 11, although they are better, if you swap the manager's around, I wage you that Spurs would come out on top! Liverpool, from what we can all see so far, have brought in GOLD in the form of Arne!
when are these pundits going to become managers if they know so much how to structure a team. Pundits used to say that being able to play the same team was a strength, and all the best teams did used to play the same 11 over and over again. go back and look at the liverpool team when they were dominating in England and in Europe, pretty much same 11. now suddenly it is bad to play the same team twice?, BS. Plus, how could anyone have a plan B in that match when you are 3-1 down? it would be more sensible to say they needed a better plan A
For as long as I can remember this is a Spurs team , brilliant performance one week , ridiculously poor the next , regardless of the team or the manager. Fact is it’s not in their DNA to win the big cups or the league , it’s like we all know England have fantastic talent but they win never win the World Cup . Spurs will always be a mid table side and unless they get in a exorcises to remove the curse they will always be remembered as the greatest team never to win the league.
Strikers win games good defenders win you titles
It is what it is mate.
The players are all robots now and its getting boring,the money has made people forget its about fans and entertainment
Plays great football and his players are working hard to learn to play the game they grew up loving.
The rest are robots
Racism because he talks funny.
The robotic data driven football is a microcosm of what is taking place in some areas of society. It describes well what Rudolf Steiner forewarned of the impact of technology/ ahrimanic and its influence on human nature and inspiration.
Most other teams can play out from the back the defence Sean all over the place
Michael Owen calling out players, when he nicked a living his whole career
Insane commentary. These "pundits" are literally spouting the exact opposite of reality. Tottenham is one of the least robotic teams in the league; Forster's mistakes came from lazy backwards passing from other players, and there are videos of Ange screaming at players for passing back unnecessarily; Forster's second mistake came from his trying to launch the ball instead of playing out like he's supposed to. As for defensive responsibility, Tottenham started against Liverpool in a mid-to-low block and then the players started chasing the game without regard for rest defense. If anything, Ange should be more strict on how his players press and play out from the back. Awful punditry.
3 goals v liverpool get squad back asap
Ange knows and understands Liverpool more than he knows and understands Spursy 😂😂😂
Great m8
Pep Guardiola destroyed football
@@questioneverything751..how
@@gerd9126because everyone plays the same way he plays
@@andrewwright4195 ..am no getting you m8, what is it your trying to say.
Pep destroyed the premier ship! He’ll be back with a new winning philosophy! Watch!
@@gerd9126 it backwards sideways all day it very boring every one does it
Ange doesn't know what plan Bs or Cs are. He literally said that. For God sakes, hire a manager who has some game, some tactics, some nuance. Good managers can get results even when their team is short-handed or having a bad day. Never with Ange.
Great plan! Spurs could solve all problems by looking to get in Mourinho or Conte or even Nuno Espirito Santo......oh wait.....maybe Ange isn't the problem????
@@lloyd0006 Mourinho was a disaster, Conte might have come good but he raged against the media and basically quit. Nuno deserved more time. Ange has not coached anywhere near the levels of these past gaffers and he refuses to learn and adjust. No way Spurs can ever acquire the elite athletic players Angeball requires.
@@dmerls8571 there was only ever one way Spurs could have got some kind of result against that Liverpool team and that would have been to play a very low block, no risks, just defend for 90 minutes . To Dare Is To Park The Bus. Maybe they should look at bringing in Sean Dyche? 😂
@@lloyd0006 Some parking of the bus is fine, it's done in every league, every tourney and by top teams at times. Imagine being a defender under Ange and all the emergency defense required, my hamstrings are sore just thinking of it.
Tottering heel spur
Why is ange being given ao much time when mourinho was sacked before a cup final, conte was sacked when spurs were 4th and finished 4th the season before. Nuno was barely given a chance. Makes no sense how this guy is getting so much time
Lazy ignorant views from the panel there
@@kenshiro1789 .
What ones..?
Ofc a layman would say this
Schmeichel: "...in a situation. What situation?"
The situation that there are 8-10 first team players unavailable. Ange clearly referred to it in his interview. 😄
Played a match on Thursday while Liverpool had a week off yet no context given.
A makeshift CB pairing including an 18 year old midfielder alongside a 22 year old that is within his 1st year in England.
Individual mistakes cost the game, not the brand of football.
Son should grow a pair and tell ange his tactics are crap.
The guy is out of his depth
Bloody clueless
Micheal Owen
Nothing new from this manger same old boring quotes time for him to go back under
Ask him the same questions, he can't really give you a different answer for your quotes, can he?
Ange is a top man. Spurs are, and always will be, second rate.
The panel.
Owen the turncoat.
Defoe overrated ignorant
Schmeical - a goalie who cares
No English managers in this league except 1 at Everton. English know nothing about football
@mustangx what do you mean, they won the World Cup
and your an expert on WHAT
But, are you not entertained?? Lol
Using your logic xmikellll ,why have a manager at all, Ferguson would have thore strip's off you if you do things your own way
Not true. He was not big on tactics but let the players express themselves while taking responsibility out on the pitch.
Micheal owen wasnt a good enough player too critiscise anyone when you can have 10 solid years withouth that many injuries then you can slagg of the birds in the trees for all i care
No, he was an amazing player and a prolific goal scorer although he did slow down too quickly after his initial burst on the scene. Mostly used him as a sub at Real but he would repeatedly score.
Owen won the Ballon d'or! He was a great player.
I've watched football for a long time and this Ange is an imposter...can't believe what you all say about him and that "Ange-ball" crap whatever that is
Pundits and this pathetic reporter are told what too shay and how too ProNounce wordsh, Greedy shellouts . inshulting the public
Don’t worry about it. It’s only a game.
Plays great football and his players are working hard to learn to play the game they grew up loving.
The rest are robots