1:05:24 "One of the things that I’ve changed my mind about… I always used to think that there was something to a competence hierarchy. That, the people at the top, maybe they’re not the best people at the top, but, there's something there. But now I actually think that there is an inverse competence hierarchy." Dr. Boghossian, Please consider devoting an entire podcast to this topic.
Peter, I’ve been following your channel for about a year now and just have to say, I absolutely love your work! Like you and so many others, I am deeply concerned with what is happening throughout the west, and where we’re headed. These conversations are to be cherished during times like these. Thank you for all that you do and sharing your brilliant mind with us!
I was watching Netflix last night. It was outrageously racist. All the baddies were white men, all the heroes were black and brown women. Black and brown men were relegated to hapless faulty allies of the black and brown women. There were no cold climate Asians at all! It was clearly designed to appeal to children. And it was anti civilizational (post apocalyptic), and very very speciesist. There were notable central white characters. Heroic, blameless kids, and their beautiful blonde mother's who were ranked alongside and worked with the hapless black and brown men in the 'before times'. The intersectional hierarchy was astonishingly graphic and transparent. It was a graphically explicit morality tale.
About five years ago the former Australian prime minister attempted to award Sydney University with an endowment for the promotion of Western values. The university flatly refused free money because of the upset and conflict the new course would create.
Fantastic conversation. I am very worried about the US as well. I see a rejection of capitalism amongst our young. An embracing of of socialism/Marxist economics that frightens me.
When you know you can never earn enough for a civilised life, why should you look to work as a solution. Marxism is the religion of the underclass. I was born into it and am shocked by how many people around me just assume underclass status is the default and the government is there to care for us like a parent.
I was a teacher at the British Council in Bulgaria. The most popular teacher by far was a charasmatic Canadian guy with whom I would go to the pub for a few beers after the evening shifts we were on. My girlfriend at the time was one of his students and she told me that his classes were full every lesson and that the girls would buy him presents and so on... Anyway, in the pub one evening I asked him where he did his DELTA (the highest post grad cert for teaching English), I had done mine in Budapest but he had yet to do his but was planning to. I then described my amazing time doing my CELTA (teaching cert) in Ostrava, Czechoslovakia, with 11 English people, as a Scot I was odd man out. What a time we had. So, my friend informed me that he didn't actually have a CELTA because he hadn't attained the high school qualifications to get in. "So what do you actually have?" "Nothing he answered, "I had been a chippie before I came to Europe." (carpenter) "So you did an apprenticeship to be a carpenter in Canada, then came to Europe to teach?" "No" he assured me," I didn't do an apprenticeship, I just watched and copied.
@PeterBoghossian please remember that you can’t make sense of crazy. In other words, you will drive yourself crazy when you apply rational means of understanding to people who are irrational and crazy.
But you can appeal to normies who fall into woke who still might value enlightenment ideals. Pointing out to them that this cult belief system isn’t logical or rational will help jar them out of it. Obviously you aren’t going to be able to jar the true radicals, but everyone else can still be woken up.
People who work with me are constantly telling me, "Stop trying to make it make sense. You'll only make yourself crazy." That's just with decisions of clients and bosses. It's so much worse with people infected by mind viruses.
Irrational and crazy are two different things, alike, but not the same. Irrationality is a top down form of madness; but crazy is the bottom up variety. Crazy is out and out mad. But a crazy person can think rationally in some aspects of their life! Irrational is not so much a "rejection of rationality" but an empahsis on prioritising irrationality in some respects. I think crazy will always be with us because we're biological creatures and we sometimes go off the rails. Irrationality is the real menace. Because irrationality tries to embody itself in institutions to prioritise faulty thinking. We can't make sense of crazy; but we can make sense of irrational. The first step is to propertly understand how irrational reproduces itself, and how it ignores reality and its critics. After we can describe it we can "make sense of it".
When my son came home from his first semester at college he told me that most of his classmates (and many of his professors) went by they/them pronouns and stopped speaking from their parents.
This was great. The comment about members of the current government being Parish Councillors at any other time had me spitting my coffee out. Didn't know Frank but want to know more. This was great!
Woke is the religion of performative social justice. Feminism, trans, BLM, etc... are essentially the different denominations of Woke. Each denomination has worked to rewrite history and manipulate public perception in an effort to artificially boost their relevance and appeal to as many potential new believers as possible. Unfortunately, these tactics unintentionally erode our shared understanding of reality and make it virtually impossible to come together - how can we find common ground when our worlds don't even overlap?
They won't speak to you because they know themselves how shakey the ground they stand on is. Their world view makes no sense and they know it themselves.
Frank was on the Far Left in UK. But his RCP were very different to the rest of the left, in that they were always open to debate with people whom they disagreed with. Examples of this were: a) the miner's strikes (mid-1980s), b) the anti-racist movement ( I put them in chronological order. ) During the miner's strike the RCP were monstered as "class traitors" by the rest of the far left because the RCP wanted a dialog with miners who hadn't joined the strike. So Frank was always (4 decades ago) contrarian with the Far Left themselves, wanting to talk to those he disagreed with.
I share Peter's bafflement at how normalized people make things that should be deeply worrying, like Biden's mental decline and Harris' self-imposed quarantine from public media appearances. There is so much confusion in intelligent people, and I can't wrap my head around that either.
If pro-choice argue that women alone know their own bodies and that the state has no business deciding on abortion, shouldn't Joe Biden alone have the right to decide whether or not to run for President again, that is his choice to make?
It really goes back to the divide between philosophies of Plato and Aristotle and the divide between the fallacy of utopia, and empirical evidence combined with the fundamental rights of a free individual. Those who you say worship power are not necessarily worshiping power they're trying to recreate society into a perfect order (which is impossible) and they do worship the "wisdom" of their Platonian philosophical branches. Those who you say worship wisdom also worship the power of the individual and their ability to have great impacts on society (for better or worse)
It's an adult form of a childish, immature psychological defense mechanism of perceived power dynamics, like a child committing to something irrational just to maintain a sense of control that stabilizes their deep and core emotions, but not the outward expression of their emotions. It's like the calm eye of a hurricane. They haven't yet gotten to the point of controlling and dissipating their own hurricane for the sake of the others around them. Their own hurricane makes it seem like their immediate world is filled with hurricanes, though it's really just their own they are experiencing, and it is a very challenging and real situation for them. You have to push past the eye, through the winds, to the outside. You have to walk that lonesome valley and you have got to do it by yourself. There are also just plain bad manipulative, abusive actors.
Peter, author Lionel Shriver has had a lot to say about a certain type of personality that is sceptical of ideologies & cults. She has just written a new novel 'Mania' about a social movement 'The Mental Parity Movement' (very similar to Woke) taking over western society. You should do an interview with her on the show.
²Ego illusions are quite specific, although the mind is naturally abstract. ³Part of the mind becomes concrete, however, when it splits. ⁴The concrete part believes in the ego, because the ego depends on the concrete. ⁵The ego is the part of the mind that believes your existence is defined by separation. 2. Everything the ego perceives is a separate whole, without the relationships that imply being. ²The ego is thus against communication, except insofar as it is utilized to establish separateness rather than to abolish it. ³The communication system of the ego is based on its own thought system, as is everything else it dictates. ⁴Its communication is controlled by its need to protect itself, and it will disrupt communication when it experiences threat. ⁵This disruption is a reaction to a specific person or persons. ⁶The specificity of the ego’s thinking, then, results in spurious generalization which is really not abstract at all. ⁷It merely responds in certain specific ways to everything it perceives as related. A Course In Miracles (1975) Author: _Jesus Christ_
Loving the redesign of the logo/overlay. I've always thought the burgundy color and the autographic script were too posh and comfortable for a podcast tackling such difficult and divisive issues. The orangey-yellow really grabs attention and evokes a sense of caution, which I think is fitting. The font is majorly improved as well and really pairs well the tag line "street epistemology". It's bold, serious, to the point. Kudos to the graphic design artist.
Both Frank and Peter strongly influenced me. Mostly for the good. So I'm hoping this conversation pushes back against whatever bounds they've set for themselves.
It's good to connect with rational, reasonable, sensible people in an increasingly bizarre world. Frank alluded to the BBC. I used to be a devotee of BBC Radio Four, but no more. In the words of one of its former, senior broadcasters, John Humphrys: "The BBC is institutionally biased: liberal-left, politically-correct and biased against Brexit; and I'm glad to have escaped the thought police." Indeed.
Agreed, echo chambers, bad. Talking across the isle, good. So maybe when our current presidential race (?) comes up in conversation, RFK jr isn't completely ignored like he's not in the race? Love the work you're doing. Keep truckin.
@griffinsdad9820 “Liberals want Conservatives to shut up. Conservatives want Liberals to keep talking. Because our arguments make sense and theirs don’t.” Bill Whittle 🙂
@lindacianchetti3599 I have watched everything I can find on RFK jr and haven't seen anything remotely putting in the "just as bad as the other candidates" bucket. Can you give me a link to what you're talking about please
@ruthmore8803 I'm sorry, an you're not gonna want to hear this. My mother died in 1995. She has as good a chance of winning than RFKjr. You Like him, I like him but AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Deal With it.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 But to not even mention it does a disservice to RFK Jr. He's the best thing we have going and deserves the mention at the very least.
Decolonisation is very explicit in schools nowadays. The word is very clearly written on school development plans produced by senior management teams often directed by external woke NGO activist groups. As Frank rightly says, there is no choice for teachers when it comes to implementing decolonisation programmes in the classroom. It will take brave teachers to stand up to it, assuming there are any teachers left who might think decolonisation might be a problem. Certainly teacher training colleges filter out applicants who are not on board with DEI ideology.
55:00 families, you gotta remember, Gen-X happened, the latch key generation, the divorce generation, I think Peter is Gen-X too, no, we did not like our families, because our parents prioritised their personal desires instead of the family they spermed/egged, I'm also a half-adopted child. The idea that adopted kids are just as fine as biological kids is so insane. We adopted and half adopted have in great numbers experienced atrocious lives. Then the next generation of parents were all druggies. Great for kids too. There are reasons we hate our parents.
I’m GenX, and my family experience was excellent. I come from a big extended Irish Catholic family (Catholic in name only, mostly) And we had awesome family dinners, holidays like Xmas, thanksgiving, Easter, birthdays, etc. Sorry your experience with family sucked, but me and most of my friends had good experiences
Antifa where I live not only wouldn't talk to me about a different opinion on how to deal with the far right the local leader got all her members and friends to send me to Coventry, as we say in the UK, told people I was dangerous and would "dox" them and got me banned from social spaces I wanted to go to.
Re: Frank's comparison of WPATH to medieval, intollerant religion. I found some of that thinking on TH-cam a few days ago. th-cam.com/video/MCKZKIl4urY/w-d-xo.html (intollerant - not transgender ) - now I better understand how woke and, for example, Islamic fundamentalism live in such happy coexistence. Both are, at heart, anti-rational.
The "fight over history" has always been ongoing. The way I was taught history, 50 years ago, was pretty skewed. What they teach, now, is pretty skewed. The real truth is somewhere between 1950s education and 2024 education, except when it comes to foreign wars, which has been pretty constantly neocon throughout. The 1950s history education was very one-sided, but everybody was sort of on the same side. 2024 history education is more of a Howard Zinn take on America. Both are flawed. It never seems to be trying to get it as close to right as possible. It always seems about the contest between one faction's version and another faction's version, when neither faction has really put it all together in an honest or thorough way.
I don't understand how Trotskyism can be considered "on the left" and "conservatism" can be viewed as a political philosophy. The liberal tradition is a tradition wherein the have to be competing ideas about the degree to which the state should interfere with private economic and social activity. Trotskyism is a preconceived authoritarianism with prescribed solutions not open to review. Conservatism is progressivism with the breaks on. There is a lot of muddy thinking in American characterisations of political debate. I just don't understand how anyone can see National Socialism and Marxist Leninism as extremes on a continuum when they are both authoritarian Socialism's wherein the state controls and dictates to the masses.
They see them as opposites because of the propaganda diseminated by entryist marxists in academia and now treated as serious work for decades. In reality, they are closely related ideologies (and better characterized as left wing, generally speaking).
They simply want to eradicate people they don't like and don't agree with them. How adolescent and immature can a grown person be. I feel sorry for them. It must be so sad to be them.
The postmodern atmosphere out of which this nonsense emerges labeled rationality as a tool by which those in power control and manipulate the powerless and marginalized. Rationality, consequently, was an expression of power. This view the acolytes of postmodern thought have applied to science and mathematics. For example, Professor Donna Riley applied this kind of thinking to the idea of scientific and mathematical rigor in her paper, "Rigor Us: Building Boundaries and Disciplining Diversity with Standards of Merit." That paper is a study in academically rewarded stupidity. But this kind of irrational skepticism is self-reflective. For example, the attempt to prevent archeology from identifying the biological sex of ancient remains or the claim that sex is assigned at birth can also be seen as an act of pure manipulation by the new regime in power. The trajectory here is totally self-destructive.
A very interesting conversation, but I think Frank is being disingenuous about his political trajectory. He hasn't really 'stayed in the same place' while the rest of the world turned around him. The political organisation that he founded in the late 70s/early 90s was called the Revolutionary Communist Party, whose name clearly signals its attitude towards democratic norms. The RCP was a pretty cultish set-up. I knew someone who joined and was soon spending seven days a week selling their magazine - 'The Next Step'. As a vanguardist organisation, the Party seemed sharply divided between such drones and others who used it as a platform to ascend the ladder into academia, the media and politics (Frank, Claire Fox, Brendan O’Neill, Mick Hume). Subsequently they became a bit like a British version of the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), tacking their sails with the most opportune breezes. The Party's most recent - perhaps final - metamorphosis was into Spiked/Spiked Online, an organisation which creates an atmosphere of non-conformist free-thinking around itself while hewing fairly closely to certain shared lines - anti-environmentalist, pro-Brexit, libertarian, and with a fondness for 'populist' political figures like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. Is it a media outlet, a pressure group, or a political party in disguise? It's hard to say, but it would be intriguing to know more about its inner workings, and Frank's part in them. He is sometimes 'invited on' for a chat, in which he's carefully positioned as no more than a respected outside expert rather than a revered paterfamilias. A more honest account of Frank's transformations would be fascinating.
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Lacanians think sex is by definition a binary. Every siingle multiplication of sexes entails the number two. The sexual number is the number two. You can't get away from it.
Biologically: there's two kinds of reproduction: sexual and asexual. Higher animals such as humans are all sexual - male and female. We can refuse to participate in sexual reproduction but that does not make us "asexual"; it makes one anti-sexual. Actual asexual creatures must still reproduce, by cloning, budding, ...
What percentage of White men who fought for the Confederacy in the American Civil War did NOT Own slaves? So what were they actually fighting for? Isn't that historically relevant information?
I estimate less than 1% of them owned slaves. Consider the British Empire when slavery was abolished in 1837. It's population was in the tens to hundreds of millions but less than 10000 people were compensated (by the government) for the slaves being freed. That was less than 0.1% of the population.
How do you build a skyscraper without figuring out how to distribute the steel and concrete? So where have engineers, physicists and academics discussed the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers for Two Decades?
So Peter are you seeing the God shaped "hole" yet? Without orientation toward a personified absolute ideal you are wallowing in this meaningless rootless relativism. This is what was once called hell, and the general manager's pronoun's are ....
Absolute garbage. Other ancient cultures like the Japanese and South Koreans don’t need that god crap, and neither do we. If it works for you, fine. Some of us find it worthless. And our lives have meaning without needing that made up garbage
YOU and Shellengerger, if you were honest, would question your own devotion to the anthropocentric religion of human growth, you complain of other people's different realities, but that is YOUR blind spot, what you assume is the only way.
@@mark4asp you're missing the nuance. Humans are fukin obsessed with growth. It is the equivalent of a religion. Earth is a zero sum game, when one species takes more, it leaves less for the others.
Because there is no one for you to save -- transgenderism is an almost exclusively western delusion. In the rest of the world, people recognize that there is no such thing -- sex is binary and biological; gender does not exist.
The trans kids of Gaza will be OK. Iranian mullahs will look after them, get them their hormones, blockers, and surgery. outrightinternational.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/OutRightTransReport.pdf
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1:05:24
"One of the things that I’ve changed my mind about… I always used to think that there was something to a competence hierarchy. That, the people at the top, maybe they’re not the best people at the top, but, there's something there. But now I actually think that there is an inverse competence hierarchy."
Dr. Boghossian,
Please consider devoting an entire podcast to this topic.
What are your thoughts on this quote, Jeffersonianideal?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe
I appreciate your question but, my personal thoughts on expanding upon what Dr. Boghossian said aren't relevant.
Fascinating gentleman! Adding his book to my list for sure
Peter, I’ve been following your channel for about a year now and just have to say, I absolutely love your work! Like you and so many others, I am deeply concerned with what is happening throughout the west, and where we’re headed. These conversations are to be cherished during times like these. Thank you for all that you do and sharing your brilliant mind with us!
I was watching Netflix last night. It was outrageously racist.
All the baddies were white men, all the heroes were black and brown women.
Black and brown men were relegated to hapless faulty allies of the black and brown women.
There were no cold climate Asians at all! It was clearly designed to appeal to children.
And it was anti civilizational (post apocalyptic), and very very speciesist.
There were notable central white characters. Heroic, blameless kids, and their beautiful blonde mother's who were ranked alongside and worked with the hapless black and brown men in the 'before times'.
The intersectional hierarchy was astonishingly graphic and transparent. It was a graphically explicit morality tale.
Reminds me of Wikipedia
So what show were you watching?
Sounds like Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes.
Harris is a dimwit, WHAT IS TRUMP?
Obviously VPHarris Harris policies are mainly a continuation of the Biden Harris last four years.
About five years ago the former Australian prime minister attempted to award Sydney University with an endowment for the promotion of Western values. The university flatly refused free money because of the upset and conflict the new course would create.
It's insane that Western nations have a problem advocating for Western values. We are our own worst enemies.
Fantastic conversation. I am very worried about the US as well. I see a rejection of capitalism amongst our young. An embracing of of socialism/Marxist economics that frightens me.
When you know you can never earn enough for a civilised life, why should you look to work as a solution.
Marxism is the religion of the underclass. I was born into it and am shocked by how many people around me just assume underclass status is the default and the government is there to care for us like a parent.
it's judaism. Call it what it is
@@24tommy109 No. It’s some “ism”. Evaluating
@@24tommy109where do you get this bullshit? And NO, I’m not one of them. I just find this ridiculous.
@@theunknownatheist3815 go read about Marxism and communism. Both are Jewish movements which lead to the deaths of millions.
I was a teacher at the British Council in Bulgaria. The most popular teacher by far was a charasmatic Canadian guy with whom I would go to the pub for a few beers after the evening shifts we were on. My girlfriend at the time was one of his students and she told me that his classes were full every lesson and that the girls would buy him presents and so on... Anyway, in the pub one evening I asked him where he did his DELTA (the highest post grad cert for teaching English), I had done mine in Budapest but he had yet to do his but was planning to. I then described my amazing time doing my CELTA (teaching cert) in Ostrava, Czechoslovakia, with 11 English people, as a Scot I was odd man out. What a time we had. So, my friend informed me that he didn't actually have a CELTA because he hadn't attained the high school qualifications to get in. "So what do you actually have?" "Nothing he answered, "I had been a chippie before I came to Europe." (carpenter) "So you did an apprenticeship to be a carpenter in Canada, then came to Europe to teach?" "No" he assured me," I didn't do an apprenticeship, I just watched and copied.
😮… 😢 …. 😂
Brilliant discussion if entirely deflating.
Thank you
@PeterBoghossian please remember that you can’t make sense of crazy. In other words, you will drive yourself crazy when you apply rational means of understanding to people who are irrational and crazy.
But you can appeal to normies who fall into woke who still might value enlightenment ideals. Pointing out to them that this cult belief system isn’t logical or rational will help jar them out of it. Obviously you aren’t going to be able to jar the true radicals, but everyone else can still be woken up.
@@desertrose0601I hope you are right.
People who work with me are constantly telling me, "Stop trying to make it make sense. You'll only make yourself crazy." That's just with decisions of clients and bosses. It's so much worse with people infected by mind viruses.
Irrational and crazy are two different things, alike, but not the same. Irrationality is a top down form of madness; but crazy is the bottom up variety. Crazy is out and out mad. But a crazy person can think rationally in some aspects of their life! Irrational is not so much a "rejection of rationality" but an empahsis on prioritising irrationality in some respects. I think crazy will always be with us because we're biological creatures and we sometimes go off the rails. Irrationality is the real menace. Because irrationality tries to embody itself in institutions to prioritise faulty thinking.
We can't make sense of crazy; but we can make sense of irrational. The first step is to propertly understand how irrational reproduces itself, and how it ignores reality and its critics. After we can describe it we can "make sense of it".
@@mark4asp keyword “and”
When my son came home from his first semester at college he told me that most of his classmates (and many of his professors) went by they/them pronouns and stopped speaking from their parents.
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This was great.
The comment about members of the current government being Parish Councillors at any other time had me spitting my coffee out.
Didn't know Frank but want to know more. This was great!
Love Frank ❤️🏴
Woke is the religion of performative social justice. Feminism, trans, BLM, etc... are essentially the different denominations of Woke. Each denomination has worked to rewrite history and manipulate public perception in an effort to artificially boost their relevance and appeal to as many potential new believers as possible. Unfortunately, these tactics unintentionally erode our shared understanding of reality and make it virtually impossible to come together - how can we find common ground when our worlds don't even overlap?
They won't speak to you because they know themselves how shakey the ground they stand on is. Their world view makes no sense and they know it themselves.
Portland Pete is absolutely getting better with his podcast content and the general direction of his new professional practices.
Postman Pat, Portland Pete, Portland Pete, and his black and white tweet.
*Portland Pete He/Him/His
Frank was on the Far Left in UK. But his RCP were very different to the rest of the left, in that they were always open to debate with people whom they disagreed with. Examples of this were: a) the miner's strikes (mid-1980s), b) the anti-racist movement ( I put them in chronological order. ) During the miner's strike the RCP were monstered as "class traitors" by the rest of the far left because the RCP wanted a dialog with miners who hadn't joined the strike. So Frank was always (4 decades ago) contrarian with the Far Left themselves, wanting to talk to those he disagreed with.
I like how he used the descriptor 'old left'
I use it myself.
'i didn't leave the left, the left left me'
One of the best episodes.
Great guest! Best one you’ve had in a while. I don’t agree with him on a few things, but he’s got some interesting perspectives.
I share Peter's bafflement at how normalized people make things that should be deeply worrying, like Biden's mental decline and Harris' self-imposed quarantine from public media appearances. There is so much confusion in intelligent people, and I can't wrap my head around that either.
If pro-choice argue that women alone know their own bodies and that the state has no business deciding on abortion, shouldn't Joe Biden alone have the right to decide whether or not to run for President again, that is his choice to make?
The "war" is between those who worship power, and those who worship wisdom.
It really goes back to the divide between philosophies of Plato and Aristotle and the divide between the fallacy of utopia, and empirical evidence combined with the fundamental rights of a free individual.
Those who you say worship power are not necessarily worshiping power they're trying to recreate society into a perfect order (which is impossible) and they do worship the "wisdom" of their Platonian philosophical branches.
Those who you say worship wisdom also worship the power of the individual and their ability to have great impacts on society (for better or worse)
What an awesome discussion! Thanks...
It's an adult form of a childish, immature psychological defense mechanism of perceived power dynamics, like a child committing to something irrational just to maintain a sense of control that stabilizes their deep and core emotions, but not the outward expression of their emotions. It's like the calm eye of a hurricane. They haven't yet gotten to the point of controlling and dissipating their own hurricane for the sake of the others around them. Their own hurricane makes it seem like their immediate world is filled with hurricanes, though it's really just their own they are experiencing, and it is a very challenging and real situation for them. You have to push past the eye, through the winds, to the outside. You have to walk that lonesome valley and you have got to do it by yourself. There are also just plain bad manipulative, abusive actors.
Peter, author Lionel Shriver has had a lot to say about a certain type of personality that is sceptical of ideologies & cults. She has just written a new novel 'Mania' about a social movement 'The Mental Parity Movement' (very similar to Woke) taking over western society. You should do an interview with her on the show.
²Ego illusions are quite specific, although the mind is naturally abstract. ³Part of the mind becomes concrete, however, when it splits. ⁴The concrete part believes in the ego, because the ego depends on the concrete. ⁵The ego is the part of the mind that believes your existence is defined by separation.
2. Everything the ego perceives is a separate whole, without the relationships that imply being. ²The ego is thus against communication, except insofar as it is utilized to establish separateness rather than to abolish it.
³The communication system of the ego is based on its own thought system, as is everything else it dictates. ⁴Its communication is controlled by its need to protect itself, and it will disrupt communication when it experiences threat. ⁵This disruption is a reaction to a specific person or persons.
⁶The specificity of the ego’s thinking, then, results in spurious generalization which is really not abstract at all. ⁷It merely responds in certain specific ways to everything it perceives as related.
A Course In Miracles (1975)
Author: _Jesus Christ_
Loving the redesign of the logo/overlay. I've always thought the burgundy color and the autographic script were too posh and comfortable for a podcast tackling such difficult and divisive issues. The orangey-yellow really grabs attention and evokes a sense of caution, which I think is fitting. The font is majorly improved as well and really pairs well the tag line "street epistemology". It's bold, serious, to the point. Kudos to the graphic design artist.
Both Frank and Peter strongly influenced me. Mostly for the good. So I'm hoping this conversation pushes back against whatever bounds they've set for themselves.
Yes see you at Genspect -loved this discussion
It’s tough!
Thanks truth is precious!
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Thank you! That was super interesting!
Being from the U.K. I now realise it was over in 1997… it’s like a developing country now, in fact an undeveloping country.
great show!!!!
Dialogue will expose their irrationality and inhumanity
How many people today understand the important lessons to avoid in the killing fields?
It's good to connect with rational, reasonable, sensible people in an increasingly bizarre world.
Frank alluded to the BBC. I used to be a devotee of BBC Radio Four, but no more. In the words of one of its former, senior broadcasters, John Humphrys: "The BBC is institutionally biased: liberal-left, politically-correct and biased against Brexit; and I'm glad to have escaped the thought police."
Indeed.
Looking forward to this!
Fascinating discussion.
Another great conversation. Too bad common sense isn't contagious.
Thank you for watching.
A singular voice!
Agreed, echo chambers, bad. Talking across the isle, good. So maybe when our current presidential race (?) comes up in conversation, RFK jr isn't completely ignored like he's not in the race? Love the work you're doing. Keep truckin.
@griffinsdad9820
“Liberals want Conservatives to shut up. Conservatives want Liberals to keep talking. Because our arguments make sense and theirs don’t.”
Bill Whittle
🙂
RFK just as bad as the rest. Research!
@lindacianchetti3599 I have watched everything I can find on RFK jr and haven't seen anything remotely putting in the "just as bad as the other candidates" bucket. Can you give me a link to what you're talking about please
Thank you for the talk. I enjoyed it. But, Why not mention Bobby Kennedy's candidacy while talking about the presidential race???
@ruthmore8803
I'm sorry, an you're not gonna want to hear this. My mother died in 1995. She has as good a chance of winning than RFKjr.
You Like him, I like him but AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Deal With it.
Only two are in any race. Thats why. But, take note: all who even make it into a run are preselected and are evil. Research!
He’s a drug addict and a criminal presenting himself as a benevolent compassionate human being. They are all evil ‘constructs.’ Research!
@@stevenwiederholt7000 But to not even mention it does a disservice to RFK Jr. He's the best thing we have going and deserves the mention at the very least.
@@ruthmore8803
"He's the best thing we have going", and has Absolutely No Chance Of Winning.
Decolonisation is very explicit in schools nowadays. The word is very clearly written on school development plans produced by senior management teams often directed by external woke NGO activist groups. As Frank rightly says, there is no choice for teachers when it comes to implementing decolonisation programmes in the classroom. It will take brave teachers to stand up to it, assuming there are any teachers left who might think decolonisation might be a problem. Certainly teacher training colleges filter out applicants who are not on board with DEI ideology.
Like how he explains "woke" is "medieval" that "intolerance" is an authoritarian religious "virtue"
55:00 families, you gotta remember, Gen-X happened, the latch key generation, the divorce generation, I think Peter is Gen-X too, no, we did not like our families, because our parents prioritised their personal desires instead of the family they spermed/egged, I'm also a half-adopted child. The idea that adopted kids are just as fine as biological kids is so insane. We adopted and half adopted have in great numbers experienced atrocious lives.
Then the next generation of parents were all druggies. Great for kids too.
There are reasons we hate our parents.
@@tallard666 You seem desperately unhappy
@@cmonman3639 maybe you should consider the TOPIC instead of personal attacks. 🙄
I’m GenX, and my family experience was excellent. I come from a big extended Irish Catholic family (Catholic in name only, mostly)
And we had awesome family dinners, holidays like Xmas, thanksgiving, Easter, birthdays, etc. Sorry your experience with family sucked, but me and most of my friends had good experiences
a shame they didn't get around to the feminist / threat topic
20:04 There are 5 I like to Keep In Mind. But...I...Could...Be...Wrong.
Antifa where I live not only wouldn't talk to me about a different opinion on how to deal with the far right the local leader got all her members and friends to send me to Coventry, as we say in the UK, told people I was dangerous and would "dox" them and got me banned from social spaces I wanted to go to.
1:18 THUMBS UP!
Frank is a "prominent conservative". He was once a prominent socialist or communist !
No. I have read Miles Mathis, on 'Gaza'. Others may wish to check it out.
Musk complained that one of his partners in his AI initiative had to part ways qith Misk as a friend after declaring Musk specieist.
Re: Frank's comparison of WPATH to medieval, intollerant religion. I found some of that thinking on TH-cam a few days ago. th-cam.com/video/MCKZKIl4urY/w-d-xo.html (intollerant - not transgender ) - now I better understand how woke and, for example, Islamic fundamentalism live in such happy coexistence. Both are, at heart, anti-rational.
The "fight over history" has always been ongoing. The way I was taught history, 50 years ago, was pretty skewed. What they teach, now, is pretty skewed. The real truth is somewhere between 1950s education and 2024 education, except when it comes to foreign wars, which has been pretty constantly neocon throughout. The 1950s history education was very one-sided, but everybody was sort of on the same side. 2024 history education is more of a Howard Zinn take on America. Both are flawed.
It never seems to be trying to get it as close to right as possible. It always seems about the contest between one faction's version and another faction's version, when neither faction has really put it all together in an honest or thorough way.
Aisha was 6 when she married Mohammed. 9 when the marriage was consummated. This should never be normalized
I love that Peter laughs at the insanely bad intellects of the woke
I don't understand how Trotskyism can be considered "on the left" and "conservatism" can be viewed as a political philosophy.
The liberal tradition is a tradition wherein the have to be competing ideas about the degree to which the state should interfere with private economic and social activity.
Trotskyism is a preconceived authoritarianism with prescribed solutions not open to review.
Conservatism is progressivism with the breaks on.
There is a lot of muddy thinking in American characterisations of political debate.
I just don't understand how anyone can see National Socialism and Marxist Leninism as extremes on a continuum when they are both authoritarian Socialism's wherein the state controls and dictates to the masses.
They see them as opposites because of the propaganda diseminated by entryist marxists in academia and now treated as serious work for decades. In reality, they are closely related ideologies (and better characterized as left wing, generally speaking).
They simply want to eradicate people they don't like and don't agree with them. How adolescent and immature can a grown person be. I feel sorry for them. It must be so sad to be them.
The postmodern atmosphere out of which this nonsense emerges labeled rationality as a tool by which those in power control and manipulate the powerless and marginalized. Rationality, consequently, was an expression of power. This view the acolytes of postmodern thought have applied to science and mathematics. For example, Professor Donna Riley applied this kind of thinking to the idea of scientific and mathematical rigor in her paper, "Rigor Us: Building Boundaries and Disciplining Diversity with Standards of Merit." That paper is a study in academically rewarded stupidity. But this kind of irrational skepticism is self-reflective. For example, the attempt to prevent archeology from identifying the biological sex of ancient remains or the claim that sex is assigned at birth can also be seen as an act of pure manipulation by the new regime in power. The trajectory here is totally self-destructive.
A very interesting conversation, but I think Frank is being disingenuous about his political trajectory. He hasn't really 'stayed in the same place' while the rest of the world turned around him. The political organisation that he founded in the late 70s/early 90s was called the Revolutionary Communist Party, whose name clearly signals its attitude towards democratic norms.
The RCP was a pretty cultish set-up. I knew someone who joined and was soon spending seven days a week selling their magazine - 'The Next Step'. As a vanguardist organisation, the Party seemed sharply divided between such drones and others who used it as a platform to ascend the ladder into academia, the media and politics (Frank, Claire Fox, Brendan O’Neill, Mick Hume).
Subsequently they became a bit like a British version of the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), tacking their sails with the most opportune breezes.
The Party's most recent - perhaps final - metamorphosis was into Spiked/Spiked Online, an organisation which creates an atmosphere of non-conformist free-thinking around itself while hewing fairly closely to certain shared lines - anti-environmentalist, pro-Brexit, libertarian, and with a fondness for 'populist' political figures like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.
Is it a media outlet, a pressure group, or a political party in disguise? It's hard to say, but it would be intriguing to know more about its inner workings, and Frank's part in them. He is sometimes 'invited on' for a chat, in which he's carefully positioned as no more than a respected outside expert rather than a revered paterfamilias.
A more honest account of Frank's transformations would be fascinating.
He doesn't even know the difference between truth and fact.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ cornucopia allows belief systems to exist …… systems which fail to account for physical reality ……. Let’s all go to Sugar rock Candy Mountain.
Lacanians think sex is by definition a binary. Every siingle multiplication of sexes entails the number two. The sexual number is the number two. You can't get away from it.
Biologically: there's two kinds of reproduction: sexual and asexual. Higher animals such as humans are all sexual - male and female. We can refuse to participate in sexual reproduction but that does not make us "asexual"; it makes one anti-sexual. Actual asexual creatures must still reproduce, by cloning, budding, ...
Some people want to be worshipped. It's that simple.
Frank is an absolute treasure. Purposeful clarity
we need more jewish voices in " the west" Not enough jewish voices
What awful, awful, awful people. How does a person become so petty, resentful, and hate filled?
he's a part of the problem, actually.
th-cam.com/video/P8IBhWBEvHU/w-d-xo.html one might think the guy was mentally eel
The West > Islam and communism.
What percentage of White men who fought for the Confederacy in the American Civil War did NOT Own slaves? So what were they actually fighting for?
Isn't that historically relevant information?
I estimate less than 1% of them owned slaves.
Consider the British Empire when slavery was abolished in 1837. It's population was in the tens to hundreds of millions but less than 10000 people were compensated (by the government) for the slaves being freed. That was less than 0.1% of the population.
How do you build a skyscraper without figuring out how to distribute the steel and concrete?
So where have engineers, physicists and academics discussed the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers for Two Decades?
So Peter are you seeing the God shaped "hole" yet? Without orientation toward a personified absolute ideal you are wallowing in this meaningless rootless relativism.
This is what was once called hell, and the general manager's pronoun's are ....
Absolute garbage. Other ancient cultures like the Japanese and South Koreans don’t need that god crap, and neither do we. If it works for you, fine. Some of us find it worthless. And our lives have meaning without needing that made up garbage
YOU and Shellengerger, if you were honest, would question your own devotion to the anthropocentric religion of human growth, you complain of other people's different realities, but that is YOUR blind spot, what you assume is the only way.
WTF are you droning on about? 🙄
There's no "anthropocentric religion of human growth". I think you're projecting onto Peter B and Shellengerger.
@@mark4asp you're missing the nuance. Humans are fukin obsessed with growth. It is the equivalent of a religion.
Earth is a zero sum game, when one species takes more, it leaves less for the others.
How would Trans ideology perform without the incessant support of a global (mostly) corporate media?
Why am I the only person concerned about saving the trans kids of Gaza ?🇵🇸⚧️🏳️🌈
Because there is no one for you to save -- transgenderism is an almost exclusively western delusion. In the rest of the world, people recognize that there is no such thing -- sex is binary and biological; gender does not exist.
I'm assuming there should be a/s sarcasm tag here....
@@geekgurl2000 how could it not be sarc; I laughed..
Hahahaha. All zero of them? The Palestinians have the cure for trans kids. Tall buildings
The trans kids of Gaza will be OK. Iranian mullahs will look after them, get them their hormones, blockers, and surgery. outrightinternational.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/OutRightTransReport.pdf