How Would Rally Drivers Tackle the Nürburgring Nordschleife?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Rally stages are no joke, and can vary from the mountains of Monaco's Monte Carlo to the wild landscapes of Kenya and everywhere in between. But what about over 20km of Green Hell? The Nürburgring Nordschleife is a monstrous track, so Hyundai sent Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe, as well as our own Tom Howard, to the Nürburgring to see what rallying over the famous track would be like, and to find out how important pacenotes are to a rally driver.
0:00 Rallying on the Nürburgring Nordschleife
0:46 Recce & Pacenotes
7:52 Running the Stage
10:26 Debrief Interview
13:53 Final Thoughts
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For an extended view of our "Rally Vs the Nürburgring Nordschleife" video, with Hyundai's Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe, check out @HMSGOfficial's video below!
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"...the road is very smooth, very wide..." is definitely a rally people thing to say about the nordschleife 😂
i've been there, and to be honest it actually is a pretty wide track. games an video footage makes it look narrow due to FOV.
@@guiseppe36749 hey, that's nice! And no doubt, on video it seems much more scarier
“Opens for endless fast” is one of my favorite pace notes ever
When is that?
9:15 found it
Sounds like Döttinger Höhe
Actually crazy to find out how Thierrys normal pace notes work, because that system needs a lot of experience and confidence with his car.
I can only imagine if the Nordschleife was still in it's 1960s layout, a rally here would've been like watching a modern day Group B event.
They actually have local rallies on the circuit
To give an idea on the performance differential between Rally1 and TCR, here's a little breakdown:
Both cars are powered by single-turbo inline 4's and connected to a 6-speed gearbox. However that's where the similarities end.
The Elantra TCR's inline 4 is a 2-litre unit vs the i20 Rally1's 1.6-litre. The TCR engine produces 340hp 460nm of torque; 10nm more than the Rally1 engine but is 35hp down. Furthermore, the TCR is purely combustion-powered whereas the Rally1 car is boosted part-time by a 125hp hybrid electric motor to deliver a combined 500hp.
The TCR is based on a production Elantra road car chassis, modified with fender flares and other miscellaneous racing components, while the Rally1 car is built on a bespoke safety-cell chassis fitted with a silhouette body shell with a passing resemblance to the i20 production car. The TCR Elantra in its current Balance of Performance weighs in at 1295kg with driver and without fuel, while the rally1 i20 weighs in at 1260kg empty (assuming both occupants weigh 75kg apiece, that puts the Rally1 car at approximately 1410kg)
As for the transmission, the Elantra TCR can either run a 6-speed race-spec gearbox, or with a 35kg weight reduction benefit, use the OEM production-spec transmission. Both options solely power the front wheels. The i20 Rally1 solely uses a race-spec 6-speed gearbox that delivers the power of the Combustion engine to all four wheels simultaneously with a 50:50 front-rear torque split from the 4WD system. However, the hybrid motor solely powers the rear wheels, meaning the combined torque split is approximately 37:63 rear-biased when the hybrid motor is deployed.
The problem with the rally car on track is its ratios, it's just not built for this, in a race between the 2, the rally car will be faster in corners but maxes out at what, 190 kph? I think the TCR can reach more than that. Especially on the nordschleife with VERY long straights my money would be on the TCR.
Unless you can change the ratioes of the rally car, but 1. Is it made for 200+, can it physically do it? 2. You will take away from its acceleration by messing with the ratios.
Edit: I found the top speed of the TCR which is 154 mph (248 kmh). Pretty significant difference.
The Rally1 car has a 5-speed gearbox, and ratios are homologated for the whole season. I think I20's goes up to 201 kph.
If Hyundai wanted they could change the final drive to make it go quicker.
I don't think they would lose too much acceleration because of the hybrid system (oh and also make it deploy all the time not only at a certain speed)
@@lavishmctavish4905 with a longer final drive and different ratios the rally car would probably pull 175mph with 500hp, and carrying far more down force. Add in tarmac stage tyres and suspension, and I reckon the rally car would monster the ring. Factor in the pace notes, some lap time along with rally drivers lightening reactions at the limit, and it could yield epic times.
I recall back in 80s group B, that they reckoned henri toivenenen could have qualified 3rd on grid for that years Belgium F1 GP. Modern Rally1s are faster than group B over a stage..,,
I hope they do it.
Great analysis
Rally1 has 5 Gears. Not 6
Is there a single sim racer who couldn't drive this track blindfolded at this point?
Either Misha or Jimmer....
With Misha, i would be terrified.
With Jimmer, I would be terrified and entertained.
@@TomGSYea jimmer is just nonhuman on this track.
I wouldn't try it blind folded and that's having thousands of laps around it in simulators and a few dozen real driving laps around it(during Tourist Drives).
Sure, could drive it slowly blindfolded. At speed though, no two laps are the same.
I cant get bored of this track is had 1100+ hours on Nurburgring across 4 sim games compared to other track which all combined is less than 200 hours
Martijn Wydaeghe sounds completely different in English, I thought he was dubbed over at first.
He sounds so much calmer
Probably because french is the most inefficient language on this planet lol
Thierry has a French accent while Martijn has a Dutch accent, they are Belgian after all which is a multi-lingual country. Supposedly Thierry's mother tongue is actually German, but he usually has his notes in French and his accent in English is also quite French lol
Nordschleife has been a stage in the rally Köln-Ahrweiler for years, but reversed... Tip: Don't hit the guard rails when going rond the other way; the way the individual lengths are coupled together will peel your car open like a can opener!
This is a amazing video. Really cool seeing the process they use to make the notes.
waiting for Misha to comment
They filmed theirself. They may been in any place, do you see the track? do you see the drive? What may say Micha about this video?
Triggered!
I'd love to see Misha do a WRC stage ride along. I think he'd really enjoy it, and I know it'd be entertaining to watch.
I'd love a copy of those pace notes.
Watch the extended video in the description. It's the full onboard of the circuit with on- screen pace note captions
Been watching motor racing since 1965. Seen them all watched racing in 4 different countries.
Thee best.
Thee most talented.
Thee mist underrated.
Thee most entertaining.
Motor car racing in the world.
Is WRC period.
I feel like the only corner they really enjoyed was the carrousel.
I mean, they described the rest of the track as wide, smooth, and with a lot of room between corners.
That's the most calm I've ever seen rally drivers be in the car, lol. It's all relative!!
such a shame Criag Breen isnt still around to represent Hyundai here, coming from a karting and racing background he'd have aced it!
thx, very interesting video.
"That was relaxing" what a legend
Love it. Wrc is an amazing unique teamwork between tue pilots.
It seems both the navigator and the driver enjoyed their run of the green hell. and I can take one thing I always wondered about from my list. Thank you
Love the sound of the turbo in the higher revs when it sounds like it sputtering. Don't know if I'm describing it right, I hear it in the Alpine A220 race car in GT7.
So what was their lap time then ?
Was looking for the exact comment! I got to the end and asked:"so how did they do?" I thought for sure there would be some comparison of some sort with the same car and a pilot who knows the track or a just a comparison with recorded times with other pilots with driving cars of similar performance. I'm leaving a little unsatisfied, something's missing to this video as enjoyable as it is already.
I'd love to see the flip side competition to this. Send grip racers to a rally course.
Was thinking the same. Rally is such a different beast.
Brilliant video but please do this in a WRC car and show those premadonnas at Porsche how we do it!!
By the way, I'm a 911 driver with 2 Subaru's in my garage 💙
I think we have a Master Blaster type scenario between the little guy and the big guy. 100% Master Blaster scenario.
while back i drove part of the nordcheife as a rallye stage in my metro 6r4 early evening in the dark no lamp pod .lucky the 6r4 is nosey i found the way via the photo flash from camera,s of fan,s. limited to 200 kph it great fun .p.s the rallye was blind no notes.
I’ve always wanted to hear that track as pace notes
Let's Go Neuville!!...the Circuit!!
And your lap time was what?!?! 🕒⏳ Very interesting video.
I bet I won't see any "paid promotion" comments on this video!
In other news: Yes! A WRC promotion 😍
Explanation: WRC fans are happy, because their promoter finally does his job. We are in a golden time car, action and skill wise, but its got almost no promotion.
@@thegotterdammerung the sport still desperately needs eyes on it, gatekeeping will only kill the sport.
@@thegotterdammerung I think you are being quite biased here. Lets be real for a second
F1 is not a "weird teenaged boy's version of the real housewives" its still the same racing series, just happens that with social media the personality side is pushed harder than before. Its been on a steady increase in popularity since 2017 or so and its not all that different racing wise from decades past. Regardless if you dont like it, your description shows a heavy negative bias, and love it or hate it, Liberty media is doing something right.
WRC was doing great in the 80's and was even more popular in the 90's however here in 2024 you cant go a WRC event without talks of the issues of the future, the sport needs to shake up its media output, and how it presents itself, because currently having 2 and a half teams and only being able to watch being a paywall aside from 1-2 stages in countries with broadcasts IS NOT sustainable.
Cool to hear Martijns sight more than normal...
There will be new lap record ... Neuwille could DO IT.👍🚙🚀🛸
Not unless they un-retire the Porsche 919 Evo and stick a second seat in it he can’t
Next time they should try a rally 1 car
Why cant they make an audio/video recording during the recy? Then they kan make the notes comfortably after the drive… is it a antiquated regulation thingy in rally?
Having Crashed at the Nordschleife It was visceral Pricey and a bucket list.
For rally drivers, all corners in the Nordschleife are easy rights or lefts :-D
What was the time??
I'd like to see it in a WRC car in Tarmac setup
What if they took the 911 Dakar time trial route instead of the normal route?
No way he called the literal Green Hell relaxing ☠️
Granted he had pacenotes. But whatever 🤷♂️
It's all straight:)
😎
Well... We have that video of the 911 Dakar on the Nords...
Jambo From Kenya
Now get on a rallycross circuit, Lydden Hill, Höljes, Hell?
No time ? 😢
It will be quicker than most.
@@gaycha6589 I’m sure, just curious what a good driver in a rally car might do around there.
Well he is not even driving rally car, that Hyundai is Front-wheel drive track car. Rally1 would be interesting indeed, but it would need much longer final drive ratio because they have very limited top speed.
Go to any Hyundai dealership or watch a TV commercial in the United States and everyone pronounces it as Hunday. I don't know about the rest of the world as I was referring to US only.
The y is silent. Even Koreans(I've asked a few) pronounce it as Hunday. Rhymes with Sunday.
Of course we're talking about the same people that add an extra I to Aluminum. Alu-mini-um? naw bruh... just naw.
" I think with a Rally car, we can go faster "💀
All talk and not showing the entire lap with actual speed? Some idea how the car compares with a road version? Why?
..and they were doing the notes in English for the cameras
I need to know how fast he was.
and, can we see their drive
incredibly bad video editing.. We didn't see anything from the lap, and thier speed, or how they take the corners. 15 min video and not a single minute where you can see how do they drive.
Not like in Kenya really...😂😂 Welcome to 254
Pace notes for the ring?? Just memorize it..
They only had two laps bud. Likely due to being racers they know the nord fairly well. Still this is rally on the nurb, so they get two laps for notes. That will help remember the various breaking points and what not which change depending on class of car.
Easy full send😂
How? Slowly. That’s how, they’ll be topped out in sixth bouncing off the rev limiter for about 85% of the lap at a guess
Adenaur Forst.
TF driver: *cut*
hat viel zu lange gedauert!
I memorized the entire track by playing daily on my sim racing rig.
Close circuit racing is just boring compared to what a WRC driver faces in a random gravel country road out there
hard to understand the speaker
Fatal camera angle.
It drives me nuts when people mispronounce Hyundai. It's pronounced Sunday but with an H. Sheesh. Get it right please.
I don’t know where you’re from but this is factually incorrect. They localized the brand name to make it the most efficiently pronounceable for local language speakers around the world.
So what was the time? a pointless vid if you don't even bother saying what the time is/was
World leading? What a joke
A pilot who dont know the nordsleiffe by memory is not a pilot.
you are completely missing the point.
Also the irony in telling professional rally drivers they are doing something incorrect when spelling the Nordschleife the 'nordsleiffe' is embarassing.
Which time they drove?
A motorsport fan who writes "nordsleiffe" is not a good motorsport fan
@@Racingwespe its quite hilarious to try to speak with authority when making the most comical spelling error.
Nobody in this video even claim that Thierry doesn't know track before.. 😅
They should have done it backwards 🤔