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Geographical error network spain in the east and Hungary in the west, fact checking lol.! Has the world flipped upside down or is this video leaked from the mirror universe? Lmao
My family owns a business in Bussoleno, and one of the main reason why locals are against the railway is the fact that previous dillings (made by olders tunnels creation) had release uranium and asbestos powder from the mountains to the valley.
You live in Turin and yet dont know that there are daily trains to Paris already? Just open Trenitalia site. Moreover the TAV tunnel described in the video will only transfer freight and not people.
@@Pippero92 Yeah and how much time does it take ? 10 hours.. Wonder why ? Cause it makes you go to milan and then across switzerland, quite a detour isn't it ? And as for your second claim, please watch the video carefully before commenting it....
@@ML-ek6jb currently the line is suspended due to damage from a landslide in the french side near Modane. The railway goes through the frejus tunnel and it is already existing
As an Italian, I have been waiting completion of this project for so long! Seeing also how "low-cost" travels are becoming more expensive every year, I am hoping that rail international travel will have similar prices to the airplane. If so, I wouldn't mind taking some hours more to travel but being able to sit in a comfy train.
If it is anything like the AV network in Italy, competition will likely keep ticket prices reasonable. The competition between NTV (Italo) and Trenitalia (Frecciarossa) has done wonders for keeping ticket prices affordable and forcing both operators to up their level of service. With the Lyon-Turin link, you should have competition between SNCF (OuiGo/TGV), Trenitalia (Frecciarossa) and likely NTV (Italo) as all three operators have train sets that can and do (in the case of SNCF and Trenitalia) run on both the French and Italian high speed networks. I would not be sutprised to see other operators like Renfé and DB move in as well as other private operators.
@@zyoninkirothe high speed rails in Spain is owned by Italy, by Trenitalia (Iryo is an ETR 1000), TRENITALIA COMPANY IS OWNED BY THE ENGLISH AVANTI GROUP, which uses the PENDOLINO, an Italian technology from 40 years ago, the entire Greek network, in France there are 2 year that the Arrow Rossa makes all the routes, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT ITALY IS LEADER IN EVERYTHING, JUST THINK WELL IN THE MEANWHILE ITALY IS BREAKING THE BRENNERO TOWARDS AUSTRIA, (that will be the longest in the world, the third crossing of Genoa, the Naples Bari, they always pierce the Apennines, in Europe they are lucky, they grow up there who spend less, and faster... they just have to pack the tracks and sleepers, those who have traveled in Italy, hundreds of very long tunnels, Florence Bologna high speed rails, practically 300kmh underground for 250 km! Italian infrastructural engineering is incredible, not to mention 100 meter high viaducts everywhere, service stations suspended like an overpass over the road, you eat and see the motorway under your feet...Europe 😅😅 then the costs , have you seen Torino Lyon? Much
Meanwhile here in the UK ... Our Prime Minister has just CANCELLED building most of our SECOND high speed rail line (HS2) which was planned to connect Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.
4:30hrs from Paris to Milan will be a game changer. 7 Hours is too long for most people but 4 is fine, and will make it highly competitive with air travel.
@@mr.meeseeks3074for business travel it will be great and since Paris is siege of Peugeot and Turin of fiat in auto industry for example such travel might switch from plane to train. That's just one example.
@@ebenezer576No, there's already an alternative railway in Disneyland Marne la Vallée which avoids commuting through the subway within Paris. But that means any train from Milan to London can't really take passengers within Paris.
So what? Is Naples, with its huge metro area, less deserving than Manchester, in your opinion? 😂 Technically, the Italian high-speed network ends in Salerno & Bari right now!
I am from the Susa Valley, which is where the Italian part of the project will be built. Although there is some pushback from organizations, I believe this will be a vital and beneficial project for both countries!
I'm not a big fan of it either. There's always drawbacks, such as excessive migrants traveling in and out of both countries.. I don't know. Then again, it may be a positive move
@@ji5340 migrant routes through our valley has been an interesting activity in the valley. However, I am now living in the U.S. for 4 years, and I can tell you that here we lack so many railway projects that would bring BILLIONS to the U.S. economies. I would say Italy and France high speed connection would be a giant achievement.
@@willi3062As an Italo-american living in Val di Susa, I couldn't agree more, the economy of our valley is obviously suffering economically, a railway would make our tourism boom and give many jobs to many people
@@magomalvagio344 exactly! People complain there is no job in the valley and then they go and support NOTAV, “ clearly the environment is going to be damaged by this tunnel by a CLEAN ENERGY EFFICIENT transportation system. Don’t they realize that the thousands of cars on the A32 that produce tons of smoke could be minimized with this project?
I'm an Italian that studied in Grenoble for one year. I have traveled from Lyon to Turing a lot of times and I can not tell how uberable long the train ride was when you're used to italian high speed trains. This will benefit us all.
@@Feedozz no, il contrario. Sta dicendo che il treno tradizionale tra Lione e Tornio è molto peggio, quando sei abituato all'alta velocità italiana, ossia sta facendo un complimento all'alta velocità italiana. Io ho capito questo...
Deceptive title. This is not a french project that's being built in Italy, but a European rail project that is both in Italy and France. The EU is financing the largest portion of the 26bn
yes but we must give credit to the EU where it is doing a good thing, lest you want what happened to my country the UK. People from Cornwall a poor region of the UK recieving insane amounts of money from the EU voted Brexit. HOW TF CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE?!@lappy5203
Opening this new high-speed line from Lyon to Turin would allow effectively high-speed travel between France and Italy at speeds up to 270 km/h or more. But SNCF also needs to build two more TGV high-speed lines, one from Bordeaux to Toulouse and one from Marselle to Nice (and possibly to Monaco beyond). Just these two new TGV lines would tremendously increase usage of TGV in France.
and bordeux spanish border (spain already build the rest to madrid), and they should finally fill the Nimes-perpigan gap on the line to barcelona. then frances high speed network is finished.
@@Sacto1654 there are, but they have remained plans for quite a long time. Long enough for spain to build the entire madrid/french border section based on the same plans.
@@dominationsrebellion6433 but this time... without expropriating the land of the natives, thanks. We have seen what Canadians have recently done in British Columbia.
This is not the purpose of this video, but from a Japanese point of view, I envy the European high-speed rail system, because in Japan, once a high-speed rail system opens, in some places there are no more limited express services from the parallel conventional lines, and the system is just waiting to decline. I hope for the further development of logistics in Europe.
In France, when a new high speed track is put in service, the classic trains are removed or the number is reduced drastically. The main difference with Japan is that all our trains are standard gauge, so a TGV can uses regular tracks to reach a destination. ( for example, from the video, the TGV will use the regulars tracks in the Maurienne valley and out of Lyon, as well as when reaching Turin )
That is a shame. Some of the most beautiful views of Japan are from those local express trains, like the section of Chuo Line from Shiojiri to Nakatsugawa which is one of my favourites.
@@tenalafel I see, that is surprising. It is difficult for high-speed rail and conventional rail to coexist, even if direct connections to conventional lines are possible. Maintaining public transport in rural areas is one of the biggest challenges in this country. The number of trains on my local line has also been drastically reduced. For this reason, I am sad that I cannot be honestly happy about the opening of the high-speed rail extension. Thanks for your reply.
That has not been the case in Italy. The parallal conventional lines remain as they still service smaller communities in between the major destinations and Trenitalia still operates the RGV (regional limited stop fast trains) services on those lines. High speed trains can also use them if the high speed line has to be closed for some reason. RFI (the owner of those lines) has also been upgrading many of those lines. The main issue here is those upgrades are in northern Italy. Southern Italy is the runt of the litter when it comes to just about everything which requires a lot of money.
UK is NOT the 2nd largest economy of Europe anymore. Figures are based on the Pound which is artificially kept high - it is higher than the Dollar and the Euro! Come on! - With actual figures based on productivity and consumption, UK is down below France, just above Italy. Since the Brexit, UK economy slowed down and lost 12% of its internal production. Just read experts reports worldwide.
Yeah, GDP PPP per capita of France is HIGHER than GDP PPP per capita of the UK and also average salaries ain't lover in France compared to the UK at all. It's the American video. He even uses $ instead of the € 😂, while 26 billion euros is much more than 26 billion dollars.
Fascinating. I would've loved to use this once when I was living in Lyon but took a 10 Euro flight from Malta to Turin then a bus back to Lyon. Definitely challenging terrain to work with.
You don't even know how many projects we had here in Friuli just to improve railway systems, the port of Trieste is under a continue development from the past 15 years and it's continuing. The Chinese was also interested in the port of Trieste in order to use it to deliver their goods. But of course EU regulations have almost denied such proposal due to the low quality of the imported chinese goods. In the last 15-20 years Italy have basically renovated and improved 2/3 of the whole national railway system. Of course it lacks the 1/3 in the deep south... But we can not risk to invest money there if such money will be delivered to mafias. But by doing so, the South will remain underdeveloped with great angry of the citizens. 😑 We need to get rid of mafias before really investing in the south and producing jobs and work opportunities. Damn that time the Allies have saved the mafia from the fascist regime!
@@danielefabbro822 The government is investing in railways in the south though, albeit not as much as is needed. But yeah, if only the Allies had tried another method or at least cleaned up after themselves, after all, it would have benefited them as well since the American mafia also became stronger after WW2 ended, and that such thing would end up happening should've been blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone.
@@danielefabbro822South, Naples Bari HSR, for this year, the South has been left to itself by Rome: in central and north Italy, 90% of the Italian export, full occupation, the south is like Wales and northern England, east Germany , Spain except Catalonia and the Basque Basques, Portugal, Greece, and the mafia is now European: in Germany: only Calabrian ndrangheta..50 billion euros of illicit business, not to mention the Turkish mafia leader in heroin, Albanian, Russian, Germany is the victim of its success, the mafias go where there is money and then the European laws are laughable, Holland and Belgium have been infected for decades now, only Italy has very harsh laws, in fact everyone in London flees, in Spain, London is the city that recycles all the shit in the world, FBI, INTERPOL, anti-Italian mafia, all proceeds from coca bring to the UK, IT'S ROTTEN, STILL THE SHIT OF HOLLYWOOD, SICILY, NOW ONLY ONE IS POWERFUL, THE NEAPOLITAN AND SICILIAN ONE, THE STATE IS GONE HEAVY DOWN,,...
It's NOT, as the title of this video suggests, "France’s €26BN New Railway to Italy", It's a shared project and 63% of costs are on Italy's side, so the title should be, Italy's new railway to France. But we are used to misinformation about Italy form the anglosphere. Always.
Sicuramente il titolo non è perfetto, ma come detto sopra non può neanche essere chiamato come dici tu. Sarebbe meglio dire 'The new €26 bln railway connecting France and Italy'
What Alby_Torino has written may be partially true if referred only to the Mount Ambin basis tunnel section which is at present under constructions. Anyway those numbers don't take into account the EU share. In other words total cost of Ambin basis tunnel section (from Bussoleno to St. Jean de Maurienne) is shared as follows: Italy 2.884 mln France €, 2.096 mln € EU 3.320 mln (40%).
My family lives in northern Italy and we are in southern England. For various reasons we can't fly. Typically our journey needs to be split staying in some charming German or french city -- but this is expensive. With this tunnel I reckon we'd be able to easily do London to Venice in a day
It is the Portuguese side that is at fault, the railroad side is finally going ahead, there is a launched procedure to Build the First Stretch of line. But Portugal doesnt use Standard gauge and is unlikely to change, so no mediterranean corridor. However all new lines will be built with beams with both gauges, which would be an easy change once the decision is made. There are however priorities and the biggest hurdle is the rail/car Bridge across the Tagus river in Lisbon, it is one of the biggest natural barriers in Europe that already has its longest Bridge. This is a key part in all of this but it is a very expensive part because that is a upward of a billion euros cost.
Good video. As highlighted at some point, this is not just a mere Lyon-Turin high-speed connection. It is also the Milan-London, or the Venice-Marseille, or the Rome-Paris link. More and more direct services will be available, within a time range between three and six hours of rail travel. At least as far as Italy is concerned, this will actually reshape geography, in a way.
Turin is probably the best Italian city for train lines, when this railway will be ready it’s going to open possibilities for extremely cheap interstate transport, awesome 🎉
Meanwhile Australia not constructing a high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne in a completely flat profile across the coast and without any borders in between
The information in this video is very good. Maybe tone down on the animations and effects a little, especially the ones that are just visual eyecandy, it makes it very tiring to watch.
Nice interesting video! Thank you for quoting costs in Euro, and measurements in metric, but why not dates in European international form e.g. 26/01/2024? Very confusing!
Breaking news the New Brenner Tunnel when opens will be significantly longer Secondly as most this railway (Lyon Turin) is underground in the alpine area it is more correct to say under and not over the alps.
The Brenner base tunnel will be shorter than the Gotthard base tunnel, however, when connected with the Intall tunnel, this underground network will reach a formidable length of 64 km.
Kinda wonder what will happen to the old railway that linked France to Italy. Will it still be used ? Or will it be less and less used and ultimatly be closed like a lot of french train lines that are deemed unprofitable.
@FuturologyChannel Nice video 🙌 Just a question: The total length is like 270 km: 70% in France 30% in Italy The tunnel is 57.5 km 45 km in France 12 km in Italy And costs distribution is 40% EU 35% Italy 25% France How can be possible France is paying less then Italy? No controversy, just wondering Thankyou
A very interesting topic, but I couldn't finish watching the video. Too many animations and effects, I felt like Thor when he was about to meet the Grandmaster.
Absolutely wild pronunciation of Turin. In English it is pronounced like Ter-Inn. In Italian it's Torino, pronounced phonetically. Lived there for a while and never heard it pronounced like that
Well we Italians knows that it's as hard for english-speakers pronounce Italian words as it is for us Italians pronounce english words. The pronunciation of vocals is totally different so if one is used in one of the two ways, it becomes a bit hard to understand and grasp the other language. So... Let's being patient and accept it as it is.
What is the betting this will be completed long before UK’s HS2 reaches Manchester and Leeds (now renamed HS1.5 due cancllation andonly going as far as Brirmingham
The Uk could have had a high speed railway network financed by the EU for a great part but they choose Brexit et with no money , they have cancelled everything. Since they are focused on their past glory, they will probably reinstate their stagecoach network.
It's neither "France's railway to Italy" nor "Italy's railway to France". It is an EU project that's being paid by both countries 🤦🏻♂️ and Italy is even putting more money than France! So why did you choose a misleading title that makes it sound like it's France building the project towards Italy?
It wasn't "over a decade of planning." It was over a decade of armwrestling the Italian Green Party who opposed the project on environmental impact grounds. Because for as much damage truck traffic causes, digging through a mountain is an ecological nightmare. I agree that Italy sorely needs this last stretch of connection with Europe but let's not pretend there is no downside to it.
Quote: "which will link Spain in the East to Hungary in the West..." I suggest you guys will take a new look at the map. You'll find it's the orher way around as Spain is in the West and Hungary in the East! 😁
“Turin” is an English name for the Italian city of Torino. You should not be trying to Continental-ify the sound of it. It is English. Turin rhymes with “fur in”- emphasis in the 1st syllable.
france pays less than italy for the large tunnel because it has to build 2 other large tunnels to connect Lyon. On the overall project, France pays more than Italy.
@@mathieuruiz7924 you’re right I paid more attention to the video and it’s explained. In the end, for the whole line, France pays more but Italy pays more for the international section of the line.
@@attiliodelloste4025its not that Italy pays more for the international line. Think like this Italy and his buddy France want to make a tunnel between them, France pays half and Italy pays half(the rest is Europe) regardless of the natural boundries on the ground(because there is just more mountain on the French side). The bottom line is: there is no tunnel unless both sides do it, so the whole project is seen as a joint effort because both stand to benefit equally.
Different countries have different view on this and it comes down to this: is it profitable? Almost always:No. But then you have to ask why they do it? It is a paradigm shift it changes how people live and interact. My country has a High speed program that was launched 2 weeks ago, it finally has the go ahead, still uncertain but the work is being done on planning and the contracts are being launched. It will cost a lot, but it will be worth it because the time savings will change how people look at the territory. I live near the largest rail link in the Country, and I am well aware how I benefited from it, and I know how even 20 min time savings would help my live.
Abbiamo dato il nostro grande contributo! Le traversine in quercia sono made in Sardinia, ci hanno letteralmente distrutto le foreste. Maledetti Savoia.
France will pay a bigger share of the overall 26 billion. The piechart was just for the 8.6 billion euros tunnel. The rest of the rail from the tunnel to Lyon will be covered by France and vice versa for the rail from the other end of the tunnel to Turin. But there is more rail and additional portions of tunnel on the French side so more costs to cover. Also keep in mind that European funds is both France's and Italy's money since both are net contributors to the EU budget. But France has a larger participation as a net contributor : France +12 Billion and Italy + 3 billion. So I would say a larger percentage of the European funds lie on the French.
Upgrading lines looks like a better idea, cause now with the mont d'Ambin tunal beging we start to see water sources vanished in Maurienne valley without forgeting the Belledone tunal will bot be that simple The estimation are slightly overestimated, especially the trucks removal, if you looks to the Saint Gothard you will ser that trucks trafic increase in parallal of train trafic increase
I think the stats were just for the tunnel. France will be paying a bigger amount overall cos it has to build the entire section from Lyon to the Tunnel without assistance from Italy.
@@Konkacha exactly the breakdown was only for the tunnel that costs 8.6 billion of the 26 billion total. Also keep in mind that "EU funds" is money paid by the net providers of EU budget and France is the 2nd biggest net contributor of said budget.
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I wonder when will this mega project be done and open???
Geographical error network spain in the east and Hungary in the west, fact checking lol.!
Has the world flipped upside down or is this video leaked from the mirror universe? Lmao
My family owns a business in Bussoleno, and one of the main reason why locals are against the railway is the fact that previous dillings (made by olders tunnels creation) had release uranium and asbestos powder from the mountains to the valley.
Finally !! Living in Turin since 5 years and can't tell you how much this region needed tracks !!
Italy is lovely, Turin, my hometown, it’s full of history and art, you should defenitly come
@@theycallme_mori Come direbbe qualcuno: "la nuova Dubai"
You live in Turin and yet dont know that there are daily trains to Paris already? Just open Trenitalia site.
Moreover the TAV tunnel described in the video will only transfer freight and not people.
@@Pippero92 Yeah and how much time does it take ? 10 hours.. Wonder why ? Cause it makes you go to milan and then across switzerland, quite a detour isn't it ? And as for your second claim, please watch the video carefully before commenting it....
@@ML-ek6jb currently the line is suspended due to damage from a landslide in the french side near Modane. The railway goes through the frejus tunnel and it is already existing
As an Italian, I have been waiting completion of this project for so long!
Seeing also how "low-cost" travels are becoming more expensive every year, I am hoping that rail international travel will have similar prices to the airplane.
If so, I wouldn't mind taking some hours more to travel but being able to sit in a comfy train.
If it is anything like the AV network in Italy, competition will likely keep ticket prices reasonable. The competition between NTV (Italo) and Trenitalia (Frecciarossa) has done wonders for keeping ticket prices affordable and forcing both operators to up their level of service. With the Lyon-Turin link, you should have competition between SNCF (OuiGo/TGV), Trenitalia (Frecciarossa) and likely NTV (Italo) as all three operators have train sets that can and do (in the case of SNCF and Trenitalia) run on both the French and Italian high speed networks. I would not be sutprised to see other operators like Renfé and DB move in as well as other private operators.
@@zyoninkiro Yeah that sounds plausible indeed!
@@zyoninkirothe high speed rails in Spain is owned by Italy, by Trenitalia (Iryo is an ETR 1000), TRENITALIA COMPANY IS OWNED BY THE ENGLISH AVANTI GROUP, which uses the PENDOLINO, an Italian technology from 40 years ago, the entire Greek network, in France there are 2 year that the Arrow Rossa makes all the routes, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT ITALY IS LEADER IN EVERYTHING, JUST THINK WELL IN THE MEANWHILE ITALY IS BREAKING THE BRENNERO TOWARDS AUSTRIA, (that will be the longest in the world, the third crossing of Genoa, the Naples Bari, they always pierce the Apennines, in Europe they are lucky, they grow up there who spend less, and faster... they just have to pack the tracks and sleepers, those who have traveled in Italy, hundreds of very long tunnels, Florence Bologna high speed rails, practically 300kmh underground for 250 km! Italian infrastructural engineering is incredible, not to mention 100 meter high viaducts everywhere, service stations suspended like an overpass over the road, you eat and see the motorway under your feet...Europe 😅😅 then the costs , have you seen Torino Lyon? Much
With the train you arrive in the centre of the city (mostly) with an airplane not. Thats why most of the time trains are actually more time efficient.
@@ainonainpg3d799 Absolutely, that's why I really hope we can slowly stop using Ryanair or Easy Jet to move around but sit comfortably in a train!
Meanwhile here in the UK ...
Our Prime Minister has just CANCELLED building most of our SECOND high speed rail line (HS2) which was planned to connect Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.
It’s it tradition by now in the UK to take 6 steps back if you want to go forward with 1?
not only that, he sold off all the land the government had acquired for the project so the next one can’t revive it :)
@@dennyroozeboom4795😂
@@dennyroozeboom4795 It has always been the case.
@@Antarius1999 Well that probably means I should catch up with English history.
4:30hrs from Paris to Milan will be a game changer. 7 Hours is too long for most people but 4 is fine, and will make it highly competitive with air travel.
4h30 makes it equivalent to air travel but with less stress. The problem will be the cost
@@mr.meeseeks3074for business travel it will be great and since Paris is siege of Peugeot and Turin of fiat in auto industry for example such travel might switch from plane to train.
That's just one example.
@@ebenezer576 thats marginal lmao
@@mr.meeseeks3074 not for me ^^
@@mr.meeseeks3074 air travel is only 1h between Paris and Turin
Imagine: in principle, you could take a high-speed train from Naples to London.
But not to Manchester.
Our government is a joke
With a commute in subway in Paris.
But yes.
@@ebenezer576No, there's already an alternative railway in Disneyland Marne la Vallée which avoids commuting through the subway within Paris. But that means any train from Milan to London can't really take passengers within Paris.
So what? Is Naples, with its huge metro area, less deserving than Manchester, in your opinion? 😂 Technically, the Italian high-speed network ends in Salerno & Bari right now!
@@carlomontecarlo7881 It was a dig at the Brits' inability to build a high-speed network.
I am from the Susa Valley, which is where the Italian part of the project will be built. Although there is some pushback from organizations, I believe this will be a vital and beneficial project for both countries!
I'm not a big fan of it either. There's always drawbacks, such as excessive migrants traveling in and out of both countries.. I don't know. Then again, it may be a positive move
@@ji5340 migrant routes through our valley has been an interesting activity in the valley. However, I am now living in the U.S. for 4 years, and I can tell you that here we lack so many railway projects that would bring BILLIONS to the U.S. economies. I would say Italy and France high speed connection would be a giant achievement.
@@willi3062 I'm Italian living elsewhere and I'm sure the Italian government has more of an insight on this predicament
@@willi3062As an Italo-american living in Val di Susa, I couldn't agree more, the economy of our valley is obviously suffering economically, a railway would make our tourism boom and give many jobs to many people
@@magomalvagio344 exactly! People complain there is no job in the valley and then they go and support NOTAV, “
clearly the environment is going to be damaged by this tunnel by a CLEAN ENERGY EFFICIENT transportation system. Don’t they realize that the thousands of cars on the A32 that produce tons of smoke could be minimized with this project?
I'm an Italian that studied in Grenoble for one year. I have traveled from Lyon to Turing a lot of times and I can not tell how uberable long the train ride was when you're used to italian high speed trains. This will benefit us all.
si condivido ma stai dicendo che l’alta velocità italiana non è “buona”?
@@Feedozz no, il contrario. Sta dicendo che il treno tradizionale tra Lione e Tornio è molto peggio, quando sei abituato all'alta velocità italiana, ossia sta facendo un complimento all'alta velocità italiana. Io ho capito questo...
8:20 from Spain in the east to Hungary in the west
Followed by stock footage of people clapping. Priceless 😂
Great project though
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LOL. Maybe chatgpt
Let’s hope the French and Italian engineers on the project know which way is which.
Deceptive title. This is not a french project that's being built in Italy, but a European rail project that is both in Italy and France. The EU is financing the largest portion of the 26bn
The EU money comes from net contributors: 1. Germany 2. France 3.Italy, etc
yes but we must give credit to the EU where it is doing a good thing, lest you want what happened to my country the UK. People from Cornwall a poor region of the UK recieving insane amounts of money from the EU voted Brexit. HOW TF CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE?!@lappy5203
Opening this new high-speed line from Lyon to Turin would allow effectively high-speed travel between France and Italy at speeds up to 270 km/h or more. But SNCF also needs to build two more TGV high-speed lines, one from Bordeaux to Toulouse and one from Marselle to Nice (and possibly to Monaco beyond). Just these two new TGV lines would tremendously increase usage of TGV in France.
and bordeux spanish border (spain already build the rest to madrid), and they should finally fill the Nimes-perpigan gap on the line to barcelona. then frances high speed network is finished.
@@melaniedrogr951 I believe there are plans to connect Bordeaux with the Spanish AVE network.
A connection between Nice and Genoa would be cool too
And montpellier- perpignan/spanish border high speed rail link
@@Sacto1654 there are, but they have remained plans for quite a long time. Long enough for spain to build the entire madrid/french border section based on the same plans.
Can we please have this in Canada - Toronto - Montreal, there's no damn mountains either! Way to go France and Italy :)
The line should go from Pearson Airport to Ottawa to Montreal. Brand new line. Dedicated to passenger traffic.
A direct line Milan-Toronto? 🤔
We can do that.
Montreal - NYC
@@dominationsrebellion6433 it could be done easily.
@@dominationsrebellion6433 but this time... without expropriating the land of the natives, thanks.
We have seen what Canadians have recently done in British Columbia.
So excited to get from Paris to northern Italy calmly and elegantly in just a few hours by train rather than the drudgery of having to fly
This is not the purpose of this video, but from a Japanese point of view, I envy the European high-speed rail system, because in Japan, once a high-speed rail system opens, in some places there are no more limited express services from the parallel conventional lines, and the system is just waiting to decline.
I hope for the further development of logistics in Europe.
In France, when a new high speed track is put in service, the classic trains are removed or the number is reduced drastically.
The main difference with Japan is that all our trains are standard gauge, so a TGV can uses regular tracks to reach a destination. ( for example, from the video, the TGV will use the regulars tracks in the Maurienne valley and out of Lyon, as well as when reaching Turin )
That is a shame. Some of the most beautiful views of Japan are from those local express trains, like the section of Chuo Line from Shiojiri to Nakatsugawa which is one of my favourites.
@@tenalafel
I see, that is surprising.
It is difficult for high-speed rail and conventional rail to coexist, even if direct connections to conventional lines are possible.
Maintaining public transport in rural areas is one of the biggest challenges in this country.
The number of trains on my local line has also been drastically reduced.
For this reason, I am sad that I cannot be honestly happy about the opening of the high-speed rail extension.
Thanks for your reply.
That has not been the case in Italy. The parallal conventional lines remain as they still service smaller communities in between the major destinations and Trenitalia still operates the RGV (regional limited stop fast trains) services on those lines. High speed trains can also use them if the high speed line has to be closed for some reason. RFI (the owner of those lines) has also been upgrading many of those lines. The main issue here is those upgrades are in northern Italy. Southern Italy is the runt of the litter when it comes to just about everything which requires a lot of money.
@@zyoninkiro The equivalent to the northern part of England and Scotland, possibly.
Amazing project. Europe is a dream 💙
Good video, but 2:07 please write dates with dd/mm/yyyy or ISO format yyyy-mm-dd, not with MDY.
At 8:20, the voice-over states "[]...which runs from Spain in the East to Hungary in the West." West and East are the other way around...
UK is NOT the 2nd largest economy of Europe anymore. Figures are based on the Pound which is artificially kept high - it is higher than the Dollar and the Euro! Come on! - With actual figures based on productivity and consumption, UK is down below France, just above Italy. Since the Brexit, UK economy slowed down and lost 12% of its internal production. Just read experts reports worldwide.
Yeah, GDP PPP per capita of France is HIGHER than GDP PPP per capita of the UK and also average salaries ain't lover in France compared to the UK at all. It's the American video. He even uses $ instead of the € 😂, while 26 billion euros is much more than 26 billion dollars.
True! IMF 2024 GDP PPP France: 4.01 trillion UK: 3.98
Two very beautiful and iconic cities. Can't wait for this to be done, I'll be a frequent customer on it.
08:19 "From Spain in the East to Hungary in the West". Lol.
Someone please get this guy a map.
There is a high demand for gravel and sand. Therefore, the resulting excavation can be used well in other projects.
Fascinating. I would've loved to use this once when I was living in Lyon but took a 10 Euro flight from Malta to Turin then a bus back to Lyon. Definitely challenging terrain to work with.
Italy and Austria are also Building the Brenner base tunnel way more longer than turinn lyone
You don't even know how many projects we had here in Friuli just to improve railway systems, the port of Trieste is under a continue development from the past 15 years and it's continuing.
The Chinese was also interested in the port of Trieste in order to use it to deliver their goods.
But of course EU regulations have almost denied such proposal due to the low quality of the imported chinese goods.
In the last 15-20 years Italy have basically renovated and improved 2/3 of the whole national railway system.
Of course it lacks the 1/3 in the deep south... But we can not risk to invest money there if such money will be delivered to mafias.
But by doing so, the South will remain underdeveloped with great angry of the citizens. 😑
We need to get rid of mafias before really investing in the south and producing jobs and work opportunities.
Damn that time the Allies have saved the mafia from the fascist regime!
@@danielefabbro822 The government is investing in railways in the south though, albeit not as much as is needed. But yeah, if only the Allies had tried another method or at least cleaned up after themselves, after all, it would have benefited them as well since the American mafia also became stronger after WW2 ended, and that such thing would end up happening should've been blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone.
@@danielefabbro822South, Naples Bari HSR, for this year, the South has been left to itself by Rome: in central and north Italy, 90% of the Italian export, full occupation, the south is like Wales and northern England, east Germany , Spain except Catalonia and the Basque Basques, Portugal, Greece, and the mafia is now European: in Germany: only Calabrian ndrangheta..50 billion euros of illicit business, not to mention the Turkish mafia leader in heroin, Albanian, Russian, Germany is the victim of its success, the mafias go where there is money and then the European laws are laughable, Holland and Belgium have been infected for decades now, only Italy has very harsh laws, in fact everyone in London flees, in Spain, London is the city that recycles all the shit in the world, FBI, INTERPOL, anti-Italian mafia, all proceeds from coca bring to the UK, IT'S ROTTEN, STILL THE SHIT OF HOLLYWOOD, SICILY, NOW ONLY ONE IS POWERFUL, THE NEAPOLITAN AND SICILIAN ONE, THE STATE IS GONE HEAVY DOWN,,...
@@danielefabbro822
A italian troll,😅😅
@@valerianocuomo996 ma che troll e troll.
It's NOT, as the title of this video suggests, "France’s €26BN New Railway to Italy", It's a shared project and 63% of costs are on Italy's side, so the title should be, Italy's new railway to France. But we are used to misinformation about Italy form the anglosphere. Always.
No France will pay more since there is a longer HSL on France's side, but I agree that the title should have been fairer to Italy
Sicuramente il titolo non è perfetto, ma come detto sopra non può neanche essere chiamato come dici tu. Sarebbe meglio dire 'The new €26 bln railway connecting France and Italy'
What Alby_Torino has written may be partially true if referred only to the Mount Ambin basis tunnel section which is at present under constructions. Anyway those numbers don't take into account the EU share. In other words total cost of Ambin basis tunnel section (from Bussoleno to St. Jean de Maurienne) is shared as follows: Italy 2.884 mln France €, 2.096 mln € EU 3.320 mln (40%).
Meh, it doesn't really matter
Literally 5 seconds into the video using $ instead of € sign...
My family lives in northern Italy and we are in southern England. For various reasons we can't fly. Typically our journey needs to be split staying in some charming German or french city -- but this is expensive. With this tunnel I reckon we'd be able to easily do London to Venice in a day
I must say, Iberia needs a west coast high speed option linking Andalusia and Galicia through Portugal's major coastal cities.
2026 Madrid to Lisbon 2030 the full network
Portugal just announced its first high-speed line to be built!
It is the Portuguese side that is at fault, the railroad side is finally going ahead, there is a launched procedure to Build the First Stretch of line. But Portugal doesnt use Standard gauge and is unlikely to change, so no mediterranean corridor. However all new lines will be built with beams with both gauges, which would be an easy change once the decision is made.
There are however priorities and the biggest hurdle is the rail/car Bridge across the Tagus river in Lisbon, it is one of the biggest natural barriers in Europe that already has its longest Bridge. This is a key part in all of this but it is a very expensive part because that is a upward of a billion euros cost.
Good video. As highlighted at some point, this is not just a mere Lyon-Turin high-speed connection. It is also the Milan-London, or the Venice-Marseille, or the Rome-Paris link. More and more direct services will be available, within a time range between three and six hours of rail travel. At least as far as Italy is concerned, this will actually reshape geography, in a way.
This is the link that was missing! The news that construction is going on time and on budget is very promising.
I live in Geneva and we really want this infrastructure to be done asap.
It's going to be awesome for many of us.
Turin is probably the best Italian city for train lines, when this railway will be ready it’s going to open possibilities for extremely cheap interstate transport, awesome 🎉
Formidable ce tunnel !! Bravo à tout le personnel !!
i was so afraid as italian that NIMBYs would stop yet another project (fuck NOTAV), i'm so happy that they are doing it for real
Escellent video! However, can you make the pace a little bit slower? It is hard to follow the graphics. Thank you.
I live in Zurich, and this project will make traveling to the south-west of Europe so much better!
The line is being built by France AND ITALY, 50-50
Meanwhile Australia not constructing a high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne in a completely flat profile across the coast and without any borders in between
The information in this video is very good. Maybe tone down on the animations and effects a little, especially the ones that are just visual eyecandy, it makes it very tiring to watch.
He should also tell the person in the next room to stop playing piano until he’s finished with the voice over
FINALLY!
Also finish the high speed line to Spain!
Why does the title say it's just a French project? The tunnel is being built by both. Italy is even financially covering it more than France.
Nice interesting video! Thank you for quoting costs in Euro, and measurements in metric, but why not dates in European international form e.g. 26/01/2024? Very confusing!
I’ve been waiting for a new video from futurology for so long! Keep up the great work!
We are still waiting for our first high speed train in the USA….l’m so jealous of EU and Asia!
What a GREAT video! Merci beaucoup et molto grazie!
For the same amount of money as this tunnel you can build 3 miles of subway tunnels in Manhattan. (I only partially kid)
Correct Video Name: Italy's New Railway to France. Since Italy is already building one with Austria... It is helping Italy not the opposite.
Hope it'll be success
From Spain in the East to Hungary in the West? Proofreading adds authenticity in my opinion.
Finally some good news 🇮🇹🇫🇷🇪🇺❤️
8:20 Spain is in the west and Hungary in the east.
30 years too late, but its a start....
Feeling this!! Historic touring at it's finest - many will be edified!
ANDIAMOOOOO GO TAV ! 🇮🇹🇮🇹☝🏻
Ben detto!🇮🇹💪💪💪🔥
Breaking news the New Brenner Tunnel when opens will be significantly longer Secondly as most this railway (Lyon Turin) is underground in the alpine area it is more correct to say under and not over the alps.
The Brenner base tunnel will be shorter than the Gotthard base tunnel, however, when connected with the Intall tunnel, this underground network will reach a formidable length of 64 km.
@@bronzinorns correct
Very nicely researched. A lot of useful information. Thank you
„From Spain in the east to Hungary in the West“ mhm. Sure. 😂
If you look at it upside down. 😅
Kinda wonder what will happen to the old railway that linked France to Italy. Will it still be used ? Or will it be less and less used and ultimatly be closed like a lot of french train lines that are deemed unprofitable.
🇫🇷🇮🇹Bonjour Mensuer! Good morning brave constructions there in Franch and Italy. Greetings from Brazil!🙋🌎🤝
Nice shot of a Canadian train at 12:56.
Plan to have two sets of tunnels, one for freight and the other for passengers.
Freight and passenger traffic don't fit well.
So far both countries have committed investments only for the 57km base tunnel. The remaining 250km circa length of tracks will stay as it is.
ON BUDGET!!!
Well Done!
@FuturologyChannel
Nice video 🙌
Just a question:
The total length is like 270 km:
70% in France
30% in Italy
The tunnel is 57.5 km
45 km in France
12 km in Italy
And costs distribution is
40% EU
35% Italy
25% France
How can be possible France is paying less then Italy?
No controversy, just wondering
Thankyou
rail is awessome !
Very well explained!
A very interesting topic, but I couldn't finish watching the video. Too many animations and effects, I felt like Thor when he was about to meet the Grandmaster.
Cool... And where do the locals get on the train when they don't live in Lyon or Turin?
Meanwhile the uk spent £92 Billion to not even build HS2
00:02 Says euros, shows dollars. Where's the logic? 26 billion euros is much more than 26 billion dollars.
Absolutely wild pronunciation of Turin. In English it is pronounced like Ter-Inn. In Italian it's Torino, pronounced phonetically. Lived there for a while and never heard it pronounced like that
Well we Italians knows that it's as hard for english-speakers pronounce Italian words as it is for us Italians pronounce english words.
The pronunciation of vocals is totally different so if one is used in one of the two ways, it becomes a bit hard to understand and grasp the other language.
So... Let's being patient and accept it as it is.
French noun are slaugthers too don't worry
Turin, not Tureen. If you want to use the Italian name, it's Torino.
#hyperforeignism
Love the Alberta wheat car in the train shot near the end.
There should also be undersea tunnel between Italy and Albania to connect the Balkans to Italy.
I love European infrastructure projects
What is the betting this will be completed long before UK’s HS2 reaches Manchester and Leeds (now renamed HS1.5 due cancllation andonly going as far as Brirmingham
you guys need to cool it with the sound effects, the whole swooshing all the time gets annoying really fast
2:20 That is NOT a European style truck.
He’s using stock footage
00:03 That is NOT European style money either.
The Uk could have had a high speed railway network financed by the EU for a great part but they choose Brexit et with no money , they have cancelled everything. Since they are focused on their past glory, they will probably reinstate their stagecoach network.
It's neither "France's railway to Italy" nor "Italy's railway to France". It is an EU project that's being paid by both countries 🤦🏻♂️ and Italy is even putting more money than France! So why did you choose a misleading title that makes it sound like it's France building the project towards Italy?
True
France are contributing 85% of the money and it is built exclusively by French workers.
@@Robc--jd6yh that's fake news & isn't even in accordance with the data provided in the video 🤣
Awesome Project!!🎉 Aguri
53kms of a tunnel? Thats insane
this is either france's railway to italy nor italy's railway to france, you should be correct
In praxis it will be even more expensive..But it has to be build.
How will breathable air get into the tunnel? How will people flee to safety if there is an incident 20km from the tunnel entrance?
The video, service tunnel every 330 meter, escape stairs, fume removal systems, and Air intakes.
stairs to where? In some places the tunnel is hundreds of meters below the surface @@pedrorequio5515
Why are all the freight trains in the video American and Canadian?
Because the producers are slapdash. As with their lousy pronunciation and subliminal graphics.
It wasn't "over a decade of planning." It was over a decade of armwrestling the Italian Green Party who opposed the project on environmental impact grounds. Because for as much damage truck traffic causes, digging through a mountain is an ecological nightmare.
I agree that Italy sorely needs this last stretch of connection with Europe but let's not pretend there is no downside to it.
Turin rhymes with urine in English. It’s not tur-EEN
Quote: "which will link Spain in the East to Hungary in the West..."
I suggest you guys will take a new look at the map. You'll find it's the orher way around as Spain is in the West and Hungary in the East! 😁
35 years of an idea to be planned out is crazy.
are we latins or are we not lmao
It took over a century for the Channel Tunnel to be built, from conception to opening.
“Turin” is an English name for the Italian city of Torino. You should not be trying to Continental-ify the sound of it. It is English. Turin rhymes with “fur in”- emphasis in the 1st syllable.
It reminds me of when people say Copenhaaagen when it’s København in Danish
spain in the east and Hungary in the west xD
I do not get why Italy pays 35% and France 35% if the tunnel is prevalently in French territory 🤷🏻♂️
france pays less than italy for the large tunnel because it has to build 2 other large tunnels to connect Lyon. On the overall project, France pays more than Italy.
@@mathieuruiz7924 you’re right I paid more attention to the video and it’s explained. In the end, for the whole line, France pays more but Italy pays more for the international section of the line.
@@attiliodelloste4025its not that Italy pays more for the international line. Think like this Italy and his buddy France want to make a tunnel between them, France pays half and Italy pays half(the rest is Europe) regardless of the natural boundries on the ground(because there is just more mountain on the French side). The bottom line is: there is no tunnel unless both sides do it, so the whole project is seen as a joint effort because both stand to benefit equally.
Mainwhile in the Val di Susa:
It’s been what? Almost 15 years that we are waiting for this track?
Insanely expensive for the economic benefit but otherwise seems like a nice upgrade.
Different countries have different view on this and it comes down to this: is it profitable? Almost always:No.
But then you have to ask why they do it? It is a paradigm shift it changes how people live and interact. My country has a High speed program that was launched 2 weeks ago, it finally has the go ahead, still uncertain but the work is being done on planning and the contracts are being launched. It will cost a lot, but it will be worth it because the time savings will change how people look at the territory. I live near the largest rail link in the Country, and I am well aware how I benefited from it, and I know how even 20 min time savings would help my live.
Awesome news 💪
It is amusing that Sardinia, the Kingdom of Sardinia's fundamental component, is not displayed! 😂
Actually that name was used mainly to have the title of Kingdom. Also the capital was Turin, in Piedmont, which later unified Italy
Abbiamo dato il nostro grande contributo! Le traversine in quercia sono made in Sardinia, ci hanno letteralmente distrutto le foreste. Maledetti Savoia.
Why Italy is paying a bigger share than France if the tunnel will be mostly in France territory?
France will pay a bigger share of the overall 26 billion. The piechart was just for the 8.6 billion euros tunnel. The rest of the rail from the tunnel to Lyon will be covered by France and vice versa for the rail from the other end of the tunnel to Turin. But there is more rail and additional portions of tunnel on the French side so more costs to cover. Also keep in mind that European funds is both France's and Italy's money since both are net contributors to the EU budget. But France has a larger participation as a net contributor : France +12 Billion and Italy + 3 billion. So I would say a larger percentage of the European funds lie on the French.
Upgrading lines looks like a better idea, cause now with the mont d'Ambin tunal beging we start to see water sources vanished in Maurienne valley without forgeting the Belledone tunal will bot be that simple
The estimation are slightly overestimated, especially the trucks removal, if you looks to the Saint Gothard you will ser that trucks trafic increase in parallal of train trafic increase
I like how you are saying "france's rail" when the big part of the project is payed by italy...
Most of the track on France, Italy paying more
I think the stats were just for the tunnel. France will be paying a bigger amount overall cos it has to build the entire section from Lyon to the Tunnel without assistance from Italy.
@@Konkacha exactly the breakdown was only for the tunnel that costs 8.6 billion of the 26 billion total. Also keep in mind that "EU funds" is money paid by the net providers of EU budget and France is the 2nd biggest net contributor of said budget.
@@St0rrrm E l'Italia il terzo.