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Thank you very much for this informative review. This looks like a really good option and the price tag makes them quite affordable (especially for university sport courses). I have one question left: Since these simulators are not a real danger anymore, do you think the lack of fear itself might lead to other bad habits like dropping ones defenses to much? Kind regards Martin
In regards to your question: Yes, sure. But this is a problem with training with masks, too. Which is why using various fight simulations is always a good idea.
I guess it would be very interesting to have these simulators made out of steel. That would add probably some million points of coolness to these tools. Are there any makers out there, who would play with this idea?
What do you think is a better simulator to accurate sword fighting if you were to discount sharpened steel swords. Unsharpened steel or these nylon sharp simulators?
I cannot answer this. It depends on your skill and experience. But it goes without saying that good practice would consist of a combination of simulators used for drills and free play.
Would it be worth it ? I mostly have experience with 2 handed blunt steel or nylon. The fullen feel weird with nylon and they bend a lot. While being inexpensive and good tools they are far from perfect. A blunted steel sword with teeth could be a better compromise concerning realism and safety ?
Jean-Louis Boudreau these nylons hardly flex at all as you can see in the video. They are very rigid. Of course, if you wish to experiment with a toothed steel version, please let me know how it goes. But frankly, I would rather recommend these plastic swords and sensible use of true steel sharps. Also because there ARE some differences between the simulators and the real thing, as Cornelius pointed out in the review.
Perhaps this is obvious, and Im overlooking something clear. But I figured I would ask for the sake of knowing. Why don't you strike each other with these swords? Wearing more protective gear would allow it.
real sharp swords from medieval time, could have many tight kerbs and bigger tendency to get jammed locked as you know medieval steel was not so tough like nowadays. I fought once against my friend once, both with sharp not forged swords (quite good simulation of medieval steel/ iron) and our swords jammed few times it was very hard to slide one edge against another without wrist movement to release edge but you quite often we lost our force (? )/balance advantage after that wrist movement.
There are merits in both fencing with and without masks. Any sparring is but a fight simulation, and depending on safety precautions, you have to compromise aspects of true combat, leaving only particular aspects you can actually train. Knowing which aspects these are is a pre-requisite of benefitting from your training.
Ha I've no idea why I typed 'helmets' there! Okay so thanks for the reply. I'd have thought that given that we may never replicate a real fight, that the safety of masks seems like just another trivial step away from that reality. I've never thought wearing one impedes my practice particularly. So I guess what I would really like to know is your argument for foregoing the masks, given the potentially egregious consequences? What is it about the sacrifice to safety that makes not wearing them worth it?
Ian Alexander this is a recurring topic. I have written up my thoughts here: facebook.com/266934476773420/photos/a.549282801871918.1073741917.266934476773420/650075625125968/?type=3&theater You can also download the text as a PDF here, if you do not want to access facebook: www.patreon.com/posts/challenge-of-2452330
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wow, this looks like something that will be popular soon.
Thank you very much for this informative review. This looks like a really good option and the price tag makes them quite affordable (especially for university sport courses). I have one question left: Since these simulators are not a real danger anymore, do you think the lack of fear itself might lead to other bad habits like dropping ones defenses to much?
Kind regards
Martin
In regards to your question: Yes, sure. But this is a problem with training with masks, too. Which is why using various fight simulations is always a good idea.
Those look really interesting! Hope we see more versions of this design
If you go to Blackfencer's website, you can find other such simulators, e.g. for longsword.
Also they look really badass
Like a 16th century flamberge blade.
I was thinking saw fish bill.
I guess it would be very interesting to have these simulators made out of steel. That would add probably some million points of coolness to these tools.
Are there any makers out there, who would play with this idea?
very interresting. Would they work against other synthetics that are not sharp simulators?
Yes, they would, but the binding effect would not occur.
Do they have to make the cross section that wide to give the sword for strength of the material they used? Are these hollow or solid?
Obviously. It's to give it extra weight too. It's plastic, after all.
The cross guards are solid. For any queries regarding production requirements and design, please contact the producer.
Ranziel1 Sorry I was referring to the handle
Regarding handle shape, Blackfencer has already responded to our review, saying they will improve this part.
Roland Warzecha thanks
What do you think is a better simulator to accurate sword fighting if you were to discount sharpened steel swords. Unsharpened steel or these nylon sharp simulators?
I cannot answer this. It depends on your skill and experience. But it goes without saying that good practice would consist of a combination of simulators used for drills and free play.
maybe you should try some blade against blade slides with not forged or half-forged swords and wearing armors.
What are "not forged or half-forged swords"?
The website that sells them in the USA is sold out on the longswords and doesn't appear to have any of the arming swords or messers. :(
Hm, sorry to read this. Have you contacted the Spanish company?
Roland Warzecha Not at the moment I just got off work but the Canadian vendor is also out so they might not have sent any stock overseas yet.
Do you think a blunt toothed steel version would also a good simulator while being safer than a sharp sword ?
Yes, however, it would be a lot more expensive, still more dangerous than plastic and harder to maintain if the edges get burred etc.
Would it be worth it ?
I mostly have experience with 2 handed blunt steel or nylon.
The fullen feel weird with nylon and they bend a lot.
While being inexpensive and good tools they are far from perfect.
A blunted steel sword with teeth could be a better compromise concerning realism and safety ?
Jean-Louis Boudreau these nylons hardly flex at all as you can see in the video. They are very rigid.
Of course, if you wish to experiment with a toothed steel version, please let me know how it goes. But frankly, I would rather recommend these plastic swords and sensible use of true steel sharps. Also because there ARE some differences between the simulators and the real thing, as Cornelius pointed out in the review.
If I experiment with them I'll let you know.
The flexibility is greater on 2 handed sword so it might be worth it.
Thank you for the answers
How do they behave if you use a sharp simulator with a normal simulator?
You mean a nylon with smooth edges versus one with a toothed edge? I have no idea. But I assume you will be back to bouncing.
What's the weight of this tool? Thanks
We did not actually weigh them, but I reckon about 1100 grams. So pretty average for original single swords.
Roland Warzecha Thanks!
Евгений Антонюк you are welcome.
Perhaps this is obvious, and Im overlooking something clear. But I figured I would ask for the sake of knowing.
Why don't you strike each other with these swords? Wearing more protective gear would allow it.
real sharp swords from medieval time, could have many tight kerbs and bigger tendency to get jammed locked as you know medieval steel was not so tough like nowadays.
I fought once against my friend once, both with sharp not forged swords (quite good simulation of medieval steel/ iron) and our swords jammed few times it was very hard to slide one edge against another without wrist movement to release edge but you quite often we lost our force (? )/balance advantage after that wrist movement.
I do not know where your information comes from, but with all original swords that I have closely examined, I can assure you they were of top quality.
Bad news: The handle and pommel is not stainless but carbon steel, so you have to oil it
Current versions v4 and v5 are coated in order to avoid rust
Max will be devastated!
Ah I see, if they're more protected that's a big improvement as these nylons are oftentimes used as loaner gear that's not cared for too well.
i think the guy with long hair is a welder
Why do you guys wear helmets so infrequently?
We actually use masks to complement our training at each and every session.
There are merits in both fencing with and without masks. Any sparring is but a fight simulation, and depending on safety precautions, you have to compromise aspects of true combat, leaving only particular aspects you can actually train. Knowing which aspects these are is a pre-requisite of benefitting from your training.
Ha I've no idea why I typed 'helmets' there!
Okay so thanks for the reply. I'd have thought that given that we may never replicate a real fight, that the safety of masks seems like just another trivial step away from that reality. I've never thought wearing one impedes my practice particularly. So I guess what I would really like to know is your argument for foregoing the masks, given the potentially egregious consequences? What is it about the sacrifice to safety that makes not wearing them worth it?
Ian Alexander this is a recurring topic. I have written up my thoughts here: facebook.com/266934476773420/photos/a.549282801871918.1073741917.266934476773420/650075625125968/?type=3&theater
You can also download the text as a PDF here, if you do not want to access facebook: www.patreon.com/posts/challenge-of-2452330
Thank you I look forward to reading that later.