We must defend freedom of speech | Lionel Shriver | Brendan O'Neill |
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- Lionel Shriver and Brendan O'Neill sit down with CIS fellow Monica Wilkie for The Woke Inquisition, an online discussion on the recent race crisis, protests in the UK, the BLM movement and cancel culture.
Everything from The Golden Girls to brown rice is now ‘problematic’ as activists seek to erase anything ‘offensive.’ Is this akin to past censorious movements when books were burnt, and statues toppled or is this something different?
We now see shows like The Simpsons announcing they will not allow white voice actors to voice non-white characters. Is the end of fiction rapidly approaching? With statues, beloved children’s authors, and beer in the firing line will there be anything left after this latest round of cancellations?
Brendan O’Neill is the editor of Spiked Online and a former CIS scholar in residence. He is author of A Duty to Offend (2015) and Anti-Woke (2018).
Lionel Shriver is author of numerous international bestseller novels and a columnist with The Spectator in London. Lionel was recently in Australia for CIS as our 2019 Annual Lecture & Dinner.
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I am NEVER going to bow to this absurd ideology. I know I’m not alone ✊🏼
It doesn't much matter what you do. If our leaders and institutions do not have the same courage, the mob is empowered to turn up at your door and intimidate your family until you comply.
Agree with you, ZipchesterVT. It doesn't matter what words you've used (some will argue over anything ;) ) you're not alone.
You're not alone
The elite media in london are with you
The 0.0001%
Not actually with you,just youtube pundits powertripping
Never ever
and yet you virtue signal just like the woke do.
Call cancel culture what it is: modern day witch trials
just in case you might be; I still have the clothes pin and the green stone!
In Biblical Christianity we call that neo-Marxism; "cancel culture" is listed under this catagory along with SJWism, Cultural Appropriation, Political Correctness, Intersectionality, Critical Race Theory etc.
Good analogy. Cancel culture is belief based, unfairly persecutory and deprives people of their means of livelihood. It is a nasty evil blight on western civilisation.
@Vendicar Kahn Antifa troll?
Call it what it actually is: voting with your wallet.
Thank heavens!! I'm not alone!!!
This made me feel like the guy who finds the compound of sanity after crossing the post modern desert of Woke
Social Rehab - You’re not alone. Not by a long way. There are millions out here utterly fed up with this insanity and especially the diarrhoea squirting out of the mainstream media. Gotta keep spreading the message!
@@sirrathersplendid4825 1 vote every five years is not going fix things.
Roy Hewes -Couldn’t agree more. The media is at the heart of this dog-turd mess, and that is where the battle must be fought.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 The media is telling us how we are thinking... I am like shut the F*** up. They are running the narrative and are vomiting issues, I believe to cause as much confusion so normal people won't want to know and just be happy with their vote, which is not the answer and not a fix.
Roy Hewes - You’re right. The few non red-pilled folk I’ve talked to say they’re completely confused, even on fairly simple issues like Covid. People are so bombarded by the media with utter crap that they don’t know what “normality” is any more.
The way to fight this is to fight this. No taking the knee, no apologies. Push back and mean it.
I refuse to allow anybody to refer to me as CIS gender. (A truly offensive slur, IMO.) As soon as they start that shit I shut them down in no uncertain terms.
@@estellepatella2520, quite so. It is a stupid word that seeks to censor individual choice and orientation.
Sky have taken away the football channel from something I enjoyed and turned it into a political platform which I refuse to watch. Why should that be taken away from subscribers who want it for there football fix.
Men are not women.
Women are not men.
You will lose false friends, but gain the truth and most of humanity on your side.
I'm actually preparing to have 'the talk' with my kids that they should not let anyone make them feel ashamed of the colour of their skin.
We are a white family.
JTG Sad that it has come to that but I think you should have "the talk" and maybe more than once.
@Vendicar Kahn Oh... Did Robin DiAngelo write a racist book about Reindeer that is now being used in government training too?
This is a good example of balanced rational humans..please can we have more
They most certainly are rational, Dear Silver, but, they are clueless - clueless because they are seemingly unaware that the very classical White-Sceptical Liberalism they preach created the intolerant Left of today, and, as well, clueless about how corporations are allied to destroying White countries and cultures, even if they are run by Whites the reason being because commerce likes to destroy boundaries and borders, especially the Corporate-Globalist model; - and what boundary or border more potentially perturbing to them than White Gentile countries that might have enough confidence to put up some kind of political economic, and, yes, racial boundaries? So, yes, after listening to these two with my spouse, we think them fine fellows, but, all in all, jolly well clueless.
@@beasheerhan4482 you have yourself a good woman there. i can only hope i will be so lucky. and you are very much correct their "moderation" is read for what it is by the left = weakness and tacit approval.
@@OpethTheater3 Dear Brian, thank you so very very much for your kind words! It is an extra light on my path today, in addition to what Chryst and my wife have put there. No, I most certainly cannot take credit for the fact that my wife, a Rural White Southern woman who is true in the deepest sense of the word and who always strives to understand what is going on with others in this world, came into my life, but, what I can take credit for is that, before she came into my life, i had refused all women who had wanted to be my lover, and so, when she came into my life, I was not messed up in the head, nor awash in filth. And my wife and I spent nearly every day of every week together, as friends, never kissing each other once, for 2 years, and so we were able to build a house that The Good Lord could bless before we committed to each other. If anything of that could be of service to you, I offer you that. As to your response to me remark, on the political side, I am heartened to see that you understand, because, sad to say, many seem not to. i do not think that this is an intellectual issue, per se, but, one of a lack of deep reflection. What I see going on with Liberals, all around this country, is that they are upset that they feel The Far Left is giving them a bad name, instead of making a deeper examination and taking stock of what they have given rise to. This reminds me of the aging drinker who, instead of getting off the booze, tries to figure out a different way of drinking, so that his body will somehow tolerate the constant poisoning better! Bless you and yours, Sir!
@@beasheerhan4482 that was smart not sleeping with just any gal - im doin' the same and it better be worth it because that would suck if it was all for not lol
@@OpethTheater3 It's hard to do it, Dear Brian, I know, but it is well worth it, in the endrun. Put your frustrations in your work, exercise, family, and churchlife. I'm so very glad to hear that you are doing this, because, in His own way and time, the Good Lord will bless you for it - starting with your having no VD, and no insufferable companions nagging at you who ought not be in your life in the first place!
Lionel & Brendan are,
two of the far too few, sensible & real people around.
Please keep up the fight.
Get some new friends...
We shall overcome ...the cry of the democrats.
@Scooby McDooby Boo hoo..
@Wu Beach Boy how do you know this? Outwardly enemies, in private secret buddies? Are we really not to believe that anyone is genuine these days? :-(
Follow the money to see who is running / fueling BLM.
Soros
Hi lily
You got a cute name. Lol
Brendan and Lionel were certainly in sparkling form; it's actually quite inspiring to listen to their insights into the freedom of speech, race politics and "cancel culture," given with such clarity of thought.
As Brendan says: Why are more western leaders not standing up against this garbage? That’s a very good question.
Scooby McDooby Well certainly. Some are just incompetent and spineless, but many are trying to spin this to their favor. Few care about the people or their countries, it’s all about power and preserving said power, whatever the cost. They’ve overpoliticized everything.
@@sisiphas because there's an election coming up.
Segregation / apartheid doesnt sound so bad after all . It is being implemented by the very people who opposed it , and without an iota of subtlety .
You are correct sir!
Separation and then special treatment based on your separateness.... slippery slope.
Were the South Africans right...
When two groups of people consistently make each other miserable, racial divorce is the only thing that makes sense.
@Biggus Dickus “Slaves dream not of freedom, but of becoming masters.” - Hegel
I call it guillotine culture. Because if this was the days of the guillotine, I imagine some who have been "canceled" today would have lost their heads to the mobs of old.
Bret Weinstein calls them a plague of wokists.
@@lisamontez9401 that's right he did. It's a good descriptor.
I'm quite confident that, while they'll let the guillotine rest in the museum, more contemporary forms of execution will be back soon, for this kind of thought crime at least.
except, the guillotine was used to defend ideas we now see as great, and rightly so.
just to be sure:
rightly so applies to 'ideas', not to 'use of guillotine'
This is bloody marvellous. It’s like being able to breathe fresh air at last.
John Anderson also does great conversations. In America I can recommend Eric Metaxas and American Thought Leaders with Jan Jekielik?
Don't apologise or back down from these pinheads.
That’s exactly right. Just listened to a podcast called trigonometry where a lady guest said exactly the same thing.
LoL, good point!
Too true once they smell blood they go in for a kill.
Listen, I am a classical liberal here in the states and my eyes just opened to this in June. I left the party and I am teaching what these far lefties are doing. We are leaving the Democratic Party in droves now. I have brought many out with me. Please keep putting this content out. We are waking up ourselves. I never thought I would vote Republican down ticket. None of us Dems did but we are.
Tom Johnson Yep, you are absolutely correct. Right now I feel we have to stop these left lunatics. I have brought many out of the party with me. Also, if the mob calls me a racist I’ll say, “Oh, you are part of that Cult huh?”
@@dashcamvideos6742 Unfortunately those with TDS (along with other shenanigans) kept others from seeing the forest for the trees and common sense did not prevail. I'm hoping, by some miracle we can get some people in office to turn this ship around. I'm in public education and I see this brainwashing daily.
Excellent, we need more conversations like this.
This is an important conversation to be having. Lets stand up and carry it on.
I had a workplace incident involving an attempted woke cancellation, and my union rep thought that I should be grovelling and apologetic. I felt betrayed that the union had become so compromised by buying into wokeness that it couldn't effectively defend an employee that was being unjustly targeted by the HR department,
Every time someone apologizes for something they didn't do, a fascist gets a brick.
I love this statement
Boris needs to watch this.
Perhaps we were too busy calling these people nitwits and making fun of the woke brigade, that we totally ignored the fact they have infiltrated speech to a degree where it is now impossible to debate them, from outside or even within, with no road to redemption, a zero sum game.
Modern day segregation and racial regression.
Hi jynn
You got a cute name. Lol
Thanks this was great! Was waiting to hear what Lionel had to say on this topic. Brendan also eloquent as usual.
Thank you for introducing me to these wonderful guests. Lionel Shiver is amazing, I love her contrarian spirit and dedication to free thought and fiction!
I can't be the only one who's equated cancel culture with maoist shame circles … right?
Yeah I’ve heard a couple people make that connection. These movements are very similar to Maoism.
@@filminginportland1654 I'm at least a bit relieved, I was worried that everything from the 20th century but hitler had been memory-holed and I missed the memo
Not by a long shot because it's self evidently true. They are just adept at psychological trickery so many people get sucked in or do not know how to defend themselves, and cave in to them. The sooner the majority catch on to their ruse and call out those repugnant, sanctimonious, passive aggressive, and abusive creeps, whenever and wherever they see it, the better.
Put on the big hat, bigot!
@Vendicar Kahn My Uncle played in the Hyper Bowl in college
"cultural appropriation" should more properly be called 'cultural plagiarism' then we can use the existing logical arguments around the concept of plagiarism to show this as the anti cultural, racist strategy it is.
So according to the deranged woke brigade I'm racist for eating curry for my evening meal because I'm not Indian. : (
Most likely prepared and sold to you by an Indian
Is an Indian racist if they eat spaghetti Bolognese?
@@peggyesterhuizen4207 No they employ Polish people in the curry houses now.
IPJ Bradley as some else said should people who aren’t English be speaking it? It all ridiculous nonsense.
I will never give up Mexican food. They can cancel me if they want.
Thank you for your courage! It takes bravery to speak up nowadays. Very interesting conversation.
Thank you both for your measured, sensible comments on this current destructive madness.
Lionel and Brendan are just so incisive and eloquent in their great concern for all that is being called to be eroded. Haven't we all been eroded by this ignorance of Humankind's passage to self-awareness and compassion. We live and have our being on the shoulders of our ancestors, the good, the bad and the ugly. But something gets through nonetheless. Hail truly 'right' thinking souls such as Lionel and Brendan.
Lionel described a delusional letter that identified the right wing, and not the left wing, as the primary threat to free speech as one she would be "happy" to cosign and she assumed that the editors at Harper's neglected to invite her signature for benign reasons, despite many obvious candidates having been deliberately omitted, including such leftists as Glenn Greenwald (who was "outvoted" by the editors/authors). Her insights here are not incisive.
@@cowabungadude7408 The two of them sound good but they're towing the Public Relations line. That letter was the elites scared that the fires that they had set might burn them. As for O'Neill he sounds good, I like him but he says some very questionable things in order to stay safe from the mob. Its okay for his career but he is selling out the public who do not have the same level of protection.
“Institutional cowardice” absolutely
Brendon O'Neil is always (usually) spot on! The voice of reason is a world gone crazy.
Why would anyone apologise for what they are rather than what they've done?
I regard it as social tyranny. I can't for the life of me figure out why so many actively decided to persue life under tyrannical dictatorship and demand we all agree . To me it's totally deranged.
Hi Lisa
You got a cute name. Lol
Sometimes re-writing our history involves putting statues up. I'm thinking particularly about the Mary Seacole statue at St Thomas's London. She is portrayed as the black equivalent to Florence Nightingale and yet by her own account she was primarily a snake oil saleswoman selling quack remedies for cholera to soldiers in Crimea.
Isn't anti appropriation basically an apartheid system?
Indeed! Whatever happened to multiculturalism? Or as we all suspected, as soon as non whites get the upper hand, multiculturalism is no longer required and even viewed as racist
What are you actually saying?
@@richardcooke7909 Apartheid and segregation in the US were basically people being kept separate in their own communities and cultures. This is the same thing.
There will be no appropriation in the US without bloodshed. Money, land, all of it... Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.
Leigh Anne when you say appropriations do you mean reparations?
We're down to defending freedom of speech by force now. The left has turned to violence. Debate is essentially over.
Sorry folks.
The 'Taliban' took
down statues, no?
Communists sure did.
Yes they did !
Yes your right , forgot all about that, we will be book burning soon!
Didn’t Nigel Farage lose his radio show on LBC for saying that. It’s the truth.
All invading armies do. Remember when people voiced their concern that ISIS would desecrate the museums in Egypt? (Was it ISIS? Such a quagmire for so long, it's hard to remember who did what in the middle east.)
Oh the refreshment of having the conversation around these issues.👍 Thank you.
Larry Elder calls ‘cancel culture’ - the revenge culture
I see the purpose of Cancel Culture as being Social Execution. They currently cannot shoot the people they disagree with with a rifle, so they have devised another way of executing them.
Hi Darlene
You got a cute name. Lol
First thing to do is cancel social media, really easy to do to delete the app.
Don't shoot the messenger
Brendan and Lionel on sparkling form. ✌️ Thanks for this. 👍
You make me feel so normal. Thank you for your articulate expressions. I recall as a youngster discovering what I thought was the publishing for pornographic material. I was outraged. My parents had many evening discussions at the dinner table explaining to my siblings and me how critical freedom of speech and freedom of expression really are.
Freedom of speech envolves hearing things you might find offensive, if you are true democrat you would fight for his fundamental right to say it.
What a great, reasonable discussion. So shareable! Thank you for having it!
Thank you so much for the intelligent conversation.
This is so spot on. THANK YOU.
Hi merci
You got a cute name. Lol
My English grandchildren who have grown up in a multiracial society tell me that before this "identity" thing started, they never saw their classmates from other ethnicity as different. This movement has made them aware that there might be a difference, which they never did before. So one terrible result of this sick movement!
I dont know this Brendan O`Neill guy but hes spot on.
Not much of a fan of either Shriver and Rowling's written work, but all credit to them for this. Heads above the parapet stuff, and rarely seen these days.
We might have more conflict before a happy ending, unfortunately!
America in the coming months .
On the streets unfortunately.But in Europe centre right govts are in control as a bulwark against this hard Left surge.I can now see the argument in favour of the right wing regimes in Poland and Hungary.
@Scooby McDooby not in the UK or Europe.The tide is turning.Give you an example today .The England schools minister has stood up to BLM bullying and resisted changes to the school curriculum.This is the start point but I admit a lot of the institutions are heavily infiltrated.
A very fascinating and insightful talk by folk that a fighting a pitched battle in the trenches for us all, I am humbly thankful to you.
“We need to preserve the right to disagree with one another in a civil manner.” Exactly!
Hi Sandra
You got a cute name. Lol
Obama was the person to start the apology movement.
@Timothy Somerville it was the rebirth of Greek and roman knowledge. I hope you're joking that you don't understand........rennaissance means rebirth. It was the rebirth that made the western civilization you live in and enjoy.
@Timothy Somerville No, it was not. The Renaissance period laid down the foundations of modern science. There was an explosion of interest in physics, chemistry, astronomy and other sciences. Leonardo da Vinci, Tycho Brahe, Keppler, Copernicus, Galileo, they all were Renaissance men. The printing press was invented. Art became much more sophisticated and life-like, focusing on the human body (often nude) - compare to earlier art, say, the Gothic period, where you can see how basic and cartoonish the human form was. It was precisely the exploration of secular rather than religious matters which allowed this spectacular growth in so many disciplines.
It burgeoned under Tony Blair in UK too.
Agreed, his 8 years of apology tours is a stain in our history.
Everyone has WAY too much time on their hands.
@Blake839 63 here
Thanks. Incisive viewpoints.
Goya Foods - Red Bull have also stood their ground
So has Trader Joe’s.
The barbarians are at the gate! We are doing the work for them!
Been a while since I heard anything this cogent on YT. And subscribed.
Fantastic discussion, thank you. I couldn't agree with Brendon more about questioning why world leaders haven't stood up for those being cancelled.
Great conversation, i'm so depressed, at the moment i think we're doomed!!
Anybody want a baby with some bathwater?
There's one being thrown right now in Wokesville
Very well put - I had to read that twice.
@Tom Johnson 😄😄
When imposing your point of view equals destroying something else... there's the problem. Better to fix than break, add, not cancel.
@Timothy Somerville Wow, you are some special kind of authoritarian. In other words, a promoter of a dog eat dog pitting of one authoritarian against another. Good luck surviving that battle.
Most of those that signed the Harper letter are quite far left of center have realised that the Leftwaffe will always eat its own and that it is coming for them.
They think this will save them.
I could easily listen to Lionel Shriver speak all day.
I think the Woke is going to be short lived, we sensible people will not be put down.
Hi Linda
You got a cute name. Lol
This attitude was in the university system 20 years ago.(Liverpool UK) I remember submitting a dissertation suggesting if mankind does not exterminate itself the races would assimilate . My tutor told me I was racist. I had to re write the dissertation the way he wanted in order to complete my degree. Even then he marked my work low.
I agree. These attitudes have existed in a academia for more than 30 years.
These attitudes hit common folks those trying to raise kids and keep a family together when these students find work as teachers, social workers, journalists and lawyers.
Everybody has to do the obligatory, "I'm not a fan of Trump", before they make their point, even Ms. Lionel.
If they aren't actually fans of trump though, and they are saying it to bolster their arguments, it actually makes some sense. Like if I said, I'm not a fan of spinach at all, but even so I eat it for the health benefits. That's actually a stronger argument for spinach in a sense.
I detest Trump. Even so, I wished he'd win over Killary and because I knew the libtards' neurosis would go off the scales and I predicted his win as a 80+% certainty many months ahead. Also, I was very amused and pleased how the Trump phenomenon brought the pseudoliberals insanity to the surface.
Trump is still a uuuge shill for murderous warhawks, Satanyahu, globalist elites, the bankers etc.
Point being, it is only natural to make the disclaimer that one is not blind, that one sees the real Trump before one carries on with one's point/argument.
Trump is not pro revolution he is not for tearing apart western society he is not for segregation -- I’ll take that over the Dems who want the anarchy and are indoctrinating the children in schools
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Excellent discussion!
Hi jane
You got a cute name. Lol
Thank you very much for doing this interview.
Hi lorie
You got a cute name. Lol
Is J. K. Rowling being attacked for the right thing? She is a Muggle writing books about wizardry. Is Harry Potter not, therefore, a product of "cultural appropriation"?
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Good for JK Rowling, I respect her for that, most people agree with her one way or another! I’m no Trump lover, but a lot of people can’t seem to give him any credit when it’s due, whoever did his speech he stuck to it, and I thought it was very well done.
I feel very pessimistic and sadden by pace of change towards a totalitarian future.When it becomes apparent to all that debating and traditional politics have failed to address these issues, raised here, I believe an equally terrifying right wing movement will push back. The recent past is beginning to look like a paradise lost as the new looming dark ages emerges.
Lionel Shriver: " I'd also add that you have resist the temptation to become one of the finger pointers..." *while pointing finger*
I jest. Thank goodness for these people who speak out. Thank you for another great discussion.
One of the most important points discussed is the re-writing of history and "pretending" certain things didn't happen or not talking about important tragedies, it has ramifications that go beyond grand scale historical events and responsibilities. Another is the invalidation of another person's or group's experiences, ideas, and value and the refusal to listen in order to learn when there are differences. People are doing the exact thing they claim to hate and be fighting against, which seems only to be valid and necessary anymore when it applies to THEM.
On a lighter note, is Lionel's bookcase in danger of collapse or is that just down to the curvature of the lens on her webcam?
I noticed that too!
@@MsDY45 - It's a fragile bookcase.
They see rational thought as wrong and part of old power structure that needs to be torn down read James Lindsay
Hi beautiful
How are you doing?
Totally Agree with these Clear,Sensible Views!
Thank you!
EXACTLY like the witch hunts.. 🧙🏻♀️
Hi Linda
You got a cute name. Lol
I have been rejecting PC for the last 5 years as a new years resolution.
Likewise mate. Tell every whinging moaning twat to shut the fuck up.
Beacons both 👏🏼👏🏼!
Thank you.
Never apologise. Politicians love a symbolic and hollow apology because politicians need the attention.
It’s not appropriation it’s just appreciation.- The colored conservatives.
Hi Niki
You got a cute name. Lol
Brendan hasnt been keeping up with the "talking heads talk in front of their bookcases" has he? it's all the rage just now!
Shriver is exactly right. O'Neill too. Cheers!
Thank goodness for these people who are prepared to fight intellectually for freedom of speech . They are in a long list of special people who have kept alive the best of humanity throughout the ages ✌️
I find it interesting that these two are extremely intelligent, self aware and pro freedom yet they still have a hard time saying they support Trump when he is clearly the only choice for anyone that views the current state of the world through a similar lens.
Ordinarily most educated people would not vote Trump, he is narcissistic, and a liar, but at present there is no other viable option. He will get voted in because the Democrats are not credible to western culture.
@@maidsubrena I like Trump, I really do! However sometimes I get an uneasy feeling that all this may be just a vast LEFT-WING conspiracy to put him in office and has been since 2016. Otherwise, why would the left run such universally disliked candidates as Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris? Why do they support so openly the BLM Bolsheviks and other obvious subversives?
@@jameshanson536 Personally i do not like Trump, i personally do not believe there is a left wing conspiracy, but i can see why you would. i actually believe Obama (who i quite liked as a President) came at a bad time, he was weeks into office when the sub-prime mortgages caused the recession, he was not the president for that time. People backlash on immigration when times get hard, and Trump came in speaking what working class Americans wanted to hear. Now the democrats had too many extreme immigrants (Ilmar Omahar) who are simply anti-america. Your average working class american cannot stand her rhetoric, and would vote anti-democrat on her alone. The democrats will not put a decent candidate forward until the end of the term. i am not sure where you are from, however the UK will not see a labour government for decades, for very similar reasons as US. Middle England are sick to death of black lives matter, and asian grooming gangs. Unfortunately labour plough on in some ideological bubble, pretending these aspects are to be supported. Their latest crash - Dawn Butler illustrates in a single person why labour will never win back working class.
@@maidsubrena I enjoyed your post. I need to clarify one thing: I do not really believe that the Trump election will be favorably influenced by a "vast left-wing conspiracy." I was merely being facetious and indulging in a little irony - a failing of mine that often leaves me deservedly coming off as a horse's rear end. But for the life of me it is hard to understand why the Democratic party puts forth such unappealing and unlikable candidates. These are crazy times we were living in.
I came of age in the 60's and swore that I would never see a student generation more ignorant and doltish than my own. Sadly I've had to recant on that in sack cloth and ashes..
Are the corporations insincere or having a wet dream?
PS: The Irishman gets it!!!
He's a British journalist
@@njmccormackgmail Whatever ,Holmes...yooze Limeys need to relax!!!
Outstanding discussion.
Very valuable interview. If it doesn't make sense, don't agree with it. If you didn't do anything, don't apologize. If you're falsely accused, push back. We can't beat bullies by surrendering to them.
Good video; informed opinions
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Cultural appropriation is, for lack of a better expression, utter bollocks. And for quite a simple reason. Because it is predicated on the belief that cultures are rigid and do not change, evolve or merge. It presumes there is no cultural flexibility and any attempt to share or trade a cultural feature is some sort of violation. But that's not true. Cultures are like human tool kits, we mix and match what we like and what works for us. That's why tea leaves and curry are considered part of contemporary British culture.
Things that make up a culture, like food, music, art, language, fashion and many more, are all subject to influence and change. Our culture now is not even the same as it was 20 years ago. It also tends to be very Eurocentric as it views things like wearing jeans and a t-shirt or eating with a knife and fork as the status quo. Whilst wearing a kimono and eating with chopsticks would be considered appropriation. This will inevitably lead to cultural segregation, or cultural isolationism.
Or cultural stagnation.
Excellent and outstanding discussion.
L/S
Great stuff. Thanks.
I never knew there were people with opinions like this. These are my views exactly, I thought I was alone.
Wonderful to see that there are people who refuse to bow to this monstrosity, thank you
I agree
Excellent discussion. Thank you.
Fantastic discussion with many words that should be carved into stone.
This is a well needed honest discussion of all what i think and feel is a well organized movement of shame and ignorance from both side of the radical political divide. From all of this current climate breads illiteracy and inequality we need to keep the statues to teach everyone the important lessons from history.
I too agree with JK Rielly I am the granddaughter and great granddaughter of savvergetts who fought for equality to women now we have to roll over for a transgender woman ?
Hi Carolyn
You got a cute name. Lol
What a telling point made by Lionel Shriver at 19 mins: apologising does no good, you still get cancelled and you lose your dignity.
I’ve no white guilt , or for my ancestors we weren’t involved or had any benefit from slave traders etc. Ask my ancestors about white privilege, they never had any. I’ve never been racist, homophobic etc.We should be going forward together, not dividing ourselves.
Exactly.
i would propose that what is needed here is a very brave and forward looking publisher to set up a branch or media platform and to call it CCC, cancel culture correction, and to accept those who have been cancelled, allow freedom of speech to debate the 'item' cancelled. this would make for \most informative and interesting reading/viewing and would very likely be an extremely lucrative venture.
Hi Joanna
You got a cute name. Lol