Exactly, my thoughts, when I wrote it. DF reminds me of my art teacher. Always funny, with a quick remark here and there, while still giving plenty of information. DW is more like my history teacher. A pleasure to listen to with a knack to engage the listener.
As a kid, in Portugal, I remember going past one of the junkyards where these tanks were stored by the dozen. Even without guns, they were an impressive sight!
Yep u can have a recreational tank in some states but no ammo or weapons allowed but uh ion think that really matters especially in AMERICA THE LAND OF GUNS
That Grizzly does have the CDP track system on it, if you look at the track links they almost look like a Panzer III/IV track. Don't forget that a lot of the Ram chassis without turrets were sent to Europe to become Kangaroo APC's.
@@princeofcupspoc9073 No, the "observation vehicles" would have been the Ram OP/Command and GPO tanks, which were used as command vehicles for SP artillery regiments. The Ram did go to war as Kangaroos; a number were also converted into Badger flamethrower tanks.
i cant wait to have this tank finally in our museum of my hometown. thank u sooo much for giving me that opportunity to see a sherman finally. greetings from vienna :)
I stood next to this wonderful example on my way out once. I was told by a passing member of staff that it was a Grizzly. The Ram is very good as well. But Shermans rule.
hahaha....we dont have any Sherman tanks can you loan our museum one? Of course! Give em the Canadian version we left out in the rain for the past 5 years....
it's a good tank like the grizzly was better made and put together then the american ones because the american ones were more rushed and weren't checked over as much
@@seanwatson5518 im not sure about that. Ive yet to hear about any cases of poorly made shermans. But regardless the grizzly is every bit as good as the originals
It was also due to the fact that Canada lacked the industrial capacity to manufacture its own tank from scratch. The Ram tanks that were mentioned earlier in the video were assembled at the Montreal Locomotive Works (MLW) in Montreal. The hulls were, of course, M3 hulls that were obtained from the United States and then modified to place a machine-gun turret next to the driver's station and accept the Ram turret which was made at MLW.
@@ramiii8633: I'm Canadian myself and I would love to see something like that happen. We have the engineering talent to pull it off (the fire-control system used in the first iteration of the US M1 tank was designed and manufactured by Computing Devices Company in Canada) and it wouldn't be too difficult to set up a manufacturing plant to make an all-Canadian tank. Heck, the General Dynamics plant in London, Ontario, which built all of the LAV's for the Canadian Army and the Stryker APC for the US military, could probably build it, or at least make major sub-systems. Alas, there'd be less than a snowball's chance in hell of this ever happening as successive governments in Canada have not seemed very interested in manufacturing military hardware in Canada unless it's small in scale and low in terms of risk. It seems to me that the Avro Arrow and the indigenously designed and built Bobcat APC, both of which failed, put a permanent bad taste in their mouths when it came to domestic large-scale military production.
Steve Struthers it would take a long time and I lot of money, we haven’t built a modern tank, and we would have to design armor and other high tech systems which we might not have. It would make sense to buy a re-engined m1a2 sep v3 or a leopard 2 a7.
@@stevestruthers6180 The LAV 6 Assault Gun comes pretty close - the variant sold to the Saudis uses a CMI turret with a high velocity 105mm autoloader tank gun. The armour can stop 14.5mm at rounds and artillery splinters. It can also fire a ATGM through the main gun with a 5km range. Given its speed etc., it comes pretty close.
The only difference in the Sherman Grizzly, is that the Canadians added a megaphone. It blares an apologue every time the main gun is fired, as is tradition.
I’ve seen a few sources say the 188 grizzly tanks got little or no combat use. They got some. There is a video showing the 1945 liberation of Appledoorn with one pictured near the end. Another of one somewhere else in Netherlands in 1945 that i believe is Grizzly with the barrel of the 76mm cut off by a near miss about a meter out of the turret.
One would think there would be a lot of various Sherman's laying around. Given the huge production runs and that they were in service for years after the war.
Most got sold as surplus to third and second world countries and used until they were unrepairable and then scrapped. Paraguay retired their last Sherman's in 2018!
I think the tank being unloaded at 3:46 is at The Ontario Regiment Tank museum in Oshawa Ontario. If you are in the area it is well worth a visit. Last weekend for Remembrance Day they had 5 Leopard tanks, an M60, 2 Shermans, an M3 Stuart, an M24 Chaffee, a Scorpion a Scimitar, the whole AVGP family, several M113, Ferret scout cars and a whole bunch of trucks, all running. It was awesome to see. They have many more vehicles on static display. The Chieftain has even done videos from there.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Cool! I would have stopped to say hello had I noticed.. I saw you in your cavalry hat but didn't recognize you. I used to command a troop of Cougars in the regiment.
The only Sherman I saw was in Bad Hersfeld, West Germany when I was stationed there in 1970-71. It was by the flag pole in front of the headquarters building. The night before I left for home I hung my boots over the gun tube.
The M4A1 sherman my brother and I own has the G casting mark on the transmission cover our hull was cast south of Joliet Illinois by the Pressed Steal Car Co. It is as much of an all Illinois sherman that you can get. No turrets were cast in Illinois. We live about 20 miles from Granite City.
Thanks for posting! The M4A1 (c) Grizzly is an unsung icon of the era! The Myriad Ways The M4 story was punctuated with doctrinal and mission specificity changes. Maintaining several types of different chasses--say, jeeps, deuce and a halfs, motorcycles, 7 ton trucks, in a single unit's Equipment is a logistical nightmare, both at the depot and at the railhead. Naturally, it would be nice if somewhere, someone, could make a common chassis and just mount whatever was needed on it . . . sort of like the Italian As42. Attempts to create a "Combat Vehicle Family" based on a single chassis for commonality of components, supply, and repair, were made on all sides, with the Sherman, Panzer IV, and Type 97 coming closest to realization. 75mm and 105mm versions of the M4/M4A1/M4A3, were augmented by the 76mm armed variants, the standard self propelled artillery vehicle was the M7/M7B1, of which the latter was a Sherman variant. Crab Flails, Demolitions versions (AVRE), Beach Rescue, and Gun Tractor, variants all enjoyed at least limited production. Kangaroo versions were IFVs, more or less. In fact, the only variant lacking in this litany of useful machines was an AA version. Considerable research and testing were done to find an effective means of placing AA fire where needed, much of it resulting in hardware manifestation atop the Sherman chassis. Self Propelled 90mm prototypes were overbalanced, too tall for tunnels, and ill protected (meaning they would not make good tank destroyers). The T52-A Sherman, with disc turret mounting a Bofors 40mm Gun and a pair of .50cals, looks cool as heck, but only made crews dizzy. Still, it was moving in the right direction, engineering-wise. The idea found its most elegant expression in the Canadian Skink, not a Sherman variant, but based on the Ram, which was, in itself, a rationalized, improved, M3 Grant. One thing is common in recollections of the war: don't stand in front of a 2cmFlak(v)38! Well, the Skink was armed with a close cousin: 4 Polsten guns; in an armored turret . . . a reasonable index of AA and close support characteristics. Naturally, an all armored turret is not optimal for AA duty, but it sure was good at shooting up stuff on the ground. If they'd put a few Skink kit turrets on Shermans, it would've made the Combat Vehicle Family a reality. Balance of Factors-A racehorse designed by committee We think of armored combat as quick, but that's only compared to marching infantry. In reality, most tanks of the war were designed specifically to be able to keep up with a typical truck convoy. That limited overall size, weight, and weapon size, while forcing bigger engines on any mobile tank. Compare Char B1 or Churchill Mk VII to Sherman. The first two are seriously overarmored and, consequently, underpowered, while the other is quite lightly armored and well able to keep up with Jeeps on a soft road bed. In other words, the Churchill and Char to end all Chars were hard pressed to keep up with trucks on a concrete or block road, while the Sherman could make a high speed run to pass them on the straights. This is one factor in Strategic Mobility. Referring to my earlier point, the other main factor in Strategic Mobility is commonality of parts and ease of maintenance. What ifs considered. A 17 tank Company could field three platoons-each with three gun tanks, a Skink, and a 105), could be considered either a weaker, but more versatile, US Army Tank Platoon, or a stiffened, beefed up, UK style Troop. Command Section might be a Command Tank with extra radios and an FOP tank for Artillery/Air Liaison. You could slow the unit to a crawl by fitting an M1 Dozer blade to the 105 tank, and a Crab Flail on the Skink.
@@HBK-6S I stand corrected. Must be the weed. Thanks for spotting it. Corroboration: "The original program called for production of 135 complete Skink Anti-aircraft Grizzly Tanks for the use of the Canadian Army and an additional 130 Skink Anti-Aircraft Grizzly Tanks to meet British requirements."
In case you didn't know, Granite City, IL is across the Mississippi River from the St. Louis, MO area. It is a suburb of St. Louis with a lot of heavy industry, especially in the 1940s. It's kind of interesting that something as warlike as a tank hull would be sold to Canada, then participating in WWII, despite the US laws (Neutrality Acts) prohibiting US companies from supplying belligerent with weapons.
do you understand that Canada was a part of the Allied forces during WWII and was assisting in the gearing up for the war effort....there's nothing strange about it whatsoever...
@@sloanchampion85 You missed my point. Until about the summer of 1941, the official US policy was that it was a neutral country determined to avoid being drawn into WWI. The Neutrality Acts reflected the then prevalent belief that the USA had been drawn into WWI because USA arms manufacturers had been major suppliers of the Entente Powers. Some Americans even believed that arms manufacturers and bankers had drawn the US into WWI solely to savr their business interests in supplying the Allies. Of course, I am only relating beliefs that were widespread in the USA literally until the day Japanese bombs fell on Hawaii.
My comment might apply more to the Ram that preceded it. Even when the USA was furiously developing the M2 and M3, exporting weapons to countries at war was verboten. For example, supposedly there was a ramp in North Dakota where new airplanes could "accidentally" roll into Canada. Then the Canadian would say "sorry" and fly the plane on to Britain. (That last part was a joke) The Neutrality Laws are one reason why the combat debut of the M3 was in Operation Crusader in late 1941, after Lend-Lease was passed. Certainly after Dunkirk, the British would probably not have turned down a few thousand M2 tanks, if they had been available to them.
I know a guy who trained on a USA ship in Canada. They bought the ship privately and "sold" it to Canadian government as a way around usa neutrality lol. I'm sure everyone involved knew it was going to be for training the Canadians for war.
@@HSMiyamoto after the nazi invasion of Poland the US adopted the Neutrality Act of 1939, it ended the munitions embargo, the start of "cash and carry".
During the early 20th century the newly formed American Locomotive Company (Alco) acquired MLW's predecessor as a means of opening new possibilities in the Canadian market.
If you happen to visit the Military History Museum in Vienna in the next weeks, there's a nice Christmas market nearby in front of Belvedere Palace and several more around other parts of town. And the Museum itself has it's own Christmas Market between 29.11 and 01.12 (free entry)
I recently found out my uncle taught tank crews in ww2 at Kingston Ontario. I wonder if he used the griz. He died before I was born and I live at the other end of the country so my guess is I'll never know the details. His brother was an air gunner with the RCAF who lived thru some serious combat. They had an American cousin who died on D-Day. Sadly I'll never hear war stories from any of them. Be sure to ask your elderly relatives about their lives if you get the chance!
One of my grandpas died before I could think up such questions and he never talked about it much to my grandma. The other one was 7 or 8 years old at the time he and his family had to flee Eastern Pomerania from the Russians. It was a miserable affair and quite unpleasant from what he told me. It's weird to uncover all those little big stories that were required for your own life to even have a chance of happening.
Your uncle may have taught mine, who commanded one. He didn't like talking about the war tho'. His tank & crew were destroyed by a panzer and he only survived because cmdrs were often half out of the turret (or so I gather). Still, it's meaningful to see them and contemplate what must have been sheer hell.
My grandfather Ernest Woodrow Neeld, sat us down, my cousin and I, and told us about the war in a tank. He landed at Normandy shortly after D Day then fought across France, the bulge then across Germany to Czechoslovakia. The war ended for his crew when the rolled their tank over down a mountain. 172 and the Third army under Patten. If he was sleeping we were told not to wake him up. If we had to wake him we were instructed to only touch his foot calling him. He was known to wake violently. He had seen to much and was never free from his demons. He was both proud of his service and terribly disturbed by it. He said he was not a hero because the hero’s didn’t come home.
Despite its deficiencies, the M4 Sherman was the most important Allied tank of WWII. Every Allied army, including the Soviets, used it. 53,000 Shermans were built.
Are there any other surviving members of the Grizzlies tanks that are going to be restored to working order or as museum pieces as Grizzlies? I found this video to be very interesting as I had never heard of the Grizzly until I watched this video! Big thumbs up from me as I found your presenter to be absolutely personable and knowledgeable about the Grizzly! Great video!
@@MrGrizzly487: I've been up to the Worthington Tank Park in Borden a few times, one of my uncles was stationed there for a number of years. Lots of interesting armoured vehicles to see there.
Is it true that after Dunkirk you had only 2 completely equipped divisions both Canadian including their first Tank Division? Our great uncles said they had to go to Canada to train in tanks right after Pearl? True? One had been up there to become pilot but he ended up staying Canadian. Our Canadian cousins today. Before America in the war.
I hope when the Grizzly goes to Vienna Museum it stays historically as a Grizzly and not turn into a mock up Sherman. p.s. it's kind like when you see people calling a plane a Messerschmitt Bf 109 when it really a Hispano Aviación HA-1112
I have the same thoughts. It's history, it's what you are trying to present, embrace it for what it is. I think the HA-1112 is an interesting plane, it's a German plane built in Spain, a neutral country, that had the engine of a British Spitfire. It's an interesting corner of history just as it is, and if it looks like any BF 109 no one is going to be interested in the story behind it. The Messerschmitt BF-108, which paved the way for many of the Messerschmitt designs, is painted up by some to look like a BF-109.
The 17 tooth sprocket was for the shorter pitched CDP track which is fitted to THAT Grizzlie. Unfortunate that the editor didn't catch such a glaring error... 😯
DOUG HEINS more versatility. More reliable performance at longer ranges. Obviously by the end of the war newer designs surpassed the capabilities of the 6 pdr but that doesn’t mean the 6 couldn’t get the job done. In 1942 it would have been excellent in an antitank role.
DOUG HEINS were arguing two different things. I didn’t say the 6 pounder was a better anti tank gun than later designs. Obviously it was inferior to the 17 pdr but this tank was available for service long before the firefly and had a better anti tank gun than the 75mm pop gun on the Sherman’s. Used in an anti tank role it would have been great FOR ITS TIME.
DOUG HEINS none of that has anything to do with what I said. I said the 6pdr ram would have been great for its time. At no time did I claim the 6 pdr was better than later designs. Are you just messing with me?
DOUG HEINS why then was the 6 pounder still in use a decade after the war ended? If needed the 6 pounder could utilize later ammunition advances to keep it suitable for service in an anti tank role.
Wow, first time I've heard of a country tooling up to build a tank, and stopping because there were enough being supplied. Germany had to be jealous...
@@Marc83Aus I'm not sure I've heard of any British tank from WW2 that actually worked that well. Even the better loved ones... turns out they had a lot of the same flaws.
The Americans wound up making more Shermans than Germany made tanks of ALL marks, so the Canadian production became superfluous. The resources went instead into producing just over 2000 Sexton Mk. II's for the British Army; the Mk. II's were built on the Sherman lower hull, rather than the Lee/Grant lower hull that was used for the Sexton Mk. I (and the Ram tank.)
@@cavscout888 the Comet and Centurion tanks were both developed by the UK during the war, and entered service in 1945, although the later after Germany's surrender.
@@toomuchtimeonourhands2891 The Centurion was too late and not a WW2 serving tank, only serving/seeing limited use in Korea. It's really not worth much study due to low to impact, other than maybe what they learned from making it. Like the MBT70 and MBT80. Weird that they were still so prone to breaking down constantly. Would have thought the design could have been a lot better after all the British use of the Sherman.
This tank was seriously improved by the Israelis, who used it to defeat the most modern Soviet tanks in the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War - it only left the service in the IDF in the early 1980s.
He sees you when you're sleeping He knows when you're awake He knows if you've been bad or good So be good because his 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore gun can engage targets at a range of up to [REDACTED] kilometres.
Sany0 they thought they'd put out a video with actual information content, rather than 10 minutes of tank santa rambling, repeating himself every two minutes, and making mistakes every six minutes. This is much better.
So... A Grizzly is just an early specification M4 Sherman assembled (not build) in Canada from US produced parts.. Also the Canadian style sprockets and tracks dont tell it all: they are easily exchanged with the American style sprockets and tracks because all the rest of the running gear and gearbox is standard U.S. M4.
we have a RAM, I think a MK 3 in vancouver. I'd love to see it run someday, but its been a gate guard for so long, all the engine components are probably siezed. That is, if it even has an engine in it at all still.
Tradition you know. You're those Dang Yankees, no matter how far South you're from, and we're Canadian Communists or something equally unspeakable. ;-) Cheers for now.
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The Tank Museum is lucky to have two very distinguished presentators in David Willey and David Fletcher:
It's a joy to listen to either of them.
Well bloody said. We all love DF but DW is a great presenter too.
Exactly, my thoughts, when I wrote it.
DF reminds me of my art teacher.
Always funny, with a quick remark here and there, while still giving plenty of information.
DW is more like my history teacher.
A pleasure to listen to with a knack to engage the listener.
Yeah, but who would you rather drink some pints with?
@@dannyseo6759 Both obviously. The conversation would be fascinating.
@@dannyseo6759 why not both?
"Most armored vehicles don't like being outside..." well, I know that feeling.
Hello MHV!
It's cold outside,
There's no kind of atmosphere.
The A B S O L U T E U N I T
Any plans to visit this Grizzly at it's new home in Vienna?
@@ur2c8 wait... red dwarf?
Yeeeesss to Vienna! I live like 15 minutes away from the HGM and can't wait to say hello to the Grizzly there! Thank you for cooperating with them.
As a kid, in Portugal, I remember going past one of the junkyards where these tanks were stored by the dozen. Even without guns, they were an impressive sight!
In which part of Portugal did you see those tanks?
Right outside Lisboa, in a junkyard. It no longer exists.
João Rita I am canadian and I saw one at the Ottawa war museum
@wow, really, that's cool!
I wonder why they end up in Portugal of all places
Chap from vienna here - thank you so much for the sherman lads
Hey im from right by granite city. Its nice to know they made something besides meth.
Do they cast the Meth as well?
I'm in St. Louis! Surprised to hear him mention Granite City, really cool.
They had huge steel mills there until the 80's.
My father got us out before US Steel died.
The midwest has been hit hard. Meth was first, now its the opioids.
I thought Granite City referred to Aberdeen (Scotland).
Makes sense that a tank named Grizzly was left out in the cold and rain.
elwis morgan hibernation
Grizzly bears are big mean bears!
Brilliant a most proper presentation about the Grizzle. Thank you.
A wise gentleman with a beautiful voice, what else can u ask?
I live right by granite city steel. I had no idea we did anything related to tanks down here during ww2. Thats awesome to learn.
"Borrow a tank."
Can anyone do that?
Asking for a friend.
Heck, if you have the money you can buy one
Soviets did.
just go to a tank selling or tank loaning business and buy/rent a tank :)
Sure, you just have to sign a lend-lease act
Yep u can have a recreational tank in some states but no ammo or weapons allowed but uh ion think that really matters especially in AMERICA THE LAND OF GUNS
(Thank you for pronouncing Illinois properly. So many, including Americans don't )
That Grizzly does have the CDP track system on it, if you look at the track links they almost look like a Panzer III/IV track. Don't forget that a lot of the Ram chassis without turrets were sent to Europe to become Kangaroo APC's.
I think those are the "observation vehicles" he mentioned.
@@princeofcupspoc9073 No, the "observation vehicles" would have been the Ram OP/Command and GPO tanks, which were used as command vehicles for SP artillery regiments. The Ram did go to war as Kangaroos; a number were also converted into Badger flamethrower tanks.
i cant wait to have this tank finally in our museum of my hometown. thank u sooo much for giving me that opportunity to see a sherman finally. greetings from vienna :)
Well done for getting the point across that a major role for Museums is to loan their collections out.
Interesting vehicle - I never realized Canada made so few of these Grizzlys.
yasss finally us Canadians get our grizzly mini showcase xD
I stood next to this wonderful example on my way out once.
I was told by a passing member of staff that it was a Grizzly.
The Ram is very good as well. But Shermans rule.
Good to see you wearing the poppy, I don't see that very often anymore.
History proceeds, time flies, everyting flows. Even the Cold War is nowadays taught as history at schools.
This was uploaded on the 16th, it was probably filmed around Remembrance Day.
The M4 is becoming my favorite tank
Somewhere, Nicolas Moran is smiling.
Thank you for the loan and best regards from Vienna.
hahaha....we dont have any Sherman tanks can you loan our museum one? Of course! Give em the Canadian version we left out in the rain for the past 5 years....
Well they were hardly going to donate Michael were they?
it's a good tank like the grizzly was better made and put together then the american ones because the american ones were more rushed and weren't checked over as much
@@seanwatson5518 im not sure about that. Ive yet to hear about any cases of poorly made shermans. But regardless the grizzly is every bit as good as the originals
Thanks for giving this tank to the HGM!
No Austrians also can have a look on this iconic vehicle.
It was sensible of the Canadian’s to build the Ram etc on the M3 and M4 platform, for part standardisation.
DC also had to do with the British having weird materials and techniques. i think canada should try and make tanks again just for fun
It was also due to the fact that Canada lacked the industrial capacity to manufacture its own tank from scratch. The Ram tanks that were mentioned earlier in the video were assembled at the Montreal Locomotive Works (MLW) in Montreal. The hulls were, of course, M3 hulls that were obtained from the United States and then modified to place a machine-gun turret next to the driver's station and accept the Ram turret which was made at MLW.
@@ramiii8633: I'm Canadian myself and I would love to see something like that happen. We have the engineering talent to pull it off (the fire-control system used in the first iteration of the US M1 tank was designed and manufactured by Computing Devices Company in Canada) and it wouldn't be too difficult to set up a manufacturing plant to make an all-Canadian tank. Heck, the General Dynamics plant in London, Ontario, which built all of the LAV's for the Canadian Army and the Stryker APC for the US military, could probably build it, or at least make major sub-systems.
Alas, there'd be less than a snowball's chance in hell of this ever happening as successive governments in Canada have not seemed very interested in manufacturing military hardware in Canada unless it's small in scale and low in terms of risk. It seems to me that the Avro Arrow and the indigenously designed and built Bobcat APC, both of which failed, put a permanent bad taste in their mouths when it came to domestic large-scale military production.
Steve Struthers it would take a long time and I lot of money, we haven’t built a modern tank, and we would have to design armor and other high tech systems which we might not have. It would make sense to buy a re-engined m1a2 sep v3 or a leopard 2 a7.
@@stevestruthers6180 The LAV 6 Assault Gun comes pretty close - the variant sold to the Saudis uses a CMI turret with a high velocity 105mm autoloader tank gun. The armour can stop 14.5mm at rounds and artillery splinters. It can also fire a ATGM through the main gun with a 5km range. Given its speed etc., it comes pretty close.
Another epic video from the Tank museum
The only difference in the Sherman Grizzly, is that the Canadians added a megaphone. It blares an apologue every time the main gun is fired, as is tradition.
Apologue: "a moral fable, especially one with animals as characters." Giving the Germans a final bedtime story.
@@panzerfaust5046 Huh... you know what? Lets just go with "I meant to do that".
I thought it was there to allow the dispensation of copious amounts of foul mouthed obscenity. Another Canadian tradition.
I mean nowadaya it's used to blare out Bieber tracks followed by cringey justin trudeau speeches. Deadlier than HESH in some cases...
Correction: Sarcastic apologies
I’ve seen a few sources say the 188 grizzly tanks got little or no combat use. They got some. There is a video showing the 1945 liberation of Appledoorn with one pictured near the end. Another of one somewhere else in Netherlands in 1945 that i believe is Grizzly with the barrel of the 76mm cut off by a near miss about a meter out of the turret.
One would think there would be a lot of various Sherman's laying around. Given the huge production runs and that they were in service for years after the war.
Most got sold as surplus to third and second world countries and used until they were unrepairable and then scrapped. Paraguay retired their last Sherman's in 2018!
The casting is actually by US Steel, from their plant in Granite City, Illinois, which is just across the river from St. Louis, Missouri.
I think the tank being unloaded at 3:46 is at The Ontario Regiment Tank museum in Oshawa Ontario. If you are in the area it is well worth a visit. Last weekend for Remembrance Day they had 5 Leopard tanks, an M60, 2 Shermans, an M3 Stuart, an M24 Chaffee, a Scorpion a Scimitar, the whole AVGP family, several M113, Ferret scout cars and a whole bunch of trucks, all running. It was awesome to see. They have many more vehicles on static display. The Chieftain has even done videos from there.
I was also commanding the M60 in that convoy
@@TheChieftainsHatch Cool! I would have stopped to say hello had I noticed.. I saw you in your cavalry hat but didn't recognize you. I used to command a troop of Cougars in the regiment.
Great video thankyou to you and your team
Another great video from The Tank Museum.
My favourite channel on TH-cam.
The only Sherman I saw was in Bad Hersfeld, West Germany when I was stationed there in 1970-71. It was by the flag pole in front of the headquarters building. The night before I left for home I hung my boots over the gun tube.
Love these videos, thank you.
It would be interesting to see a video of the preparation, transport, and set up of this tank for its loan to the museum in Vienna.
The Sherman was so versatile and numerous it spawned more mutations than an irradiated cockroach.
Thank you .
Now we need one on the Sexton!
Royal artillery, surely?
Thanks.
They have a Sherman Grizzly at the Muckleborough Collection if anyone wants to see one.
The M4A1 sherman my brother and I own has the G casting mark on the transmission cover our hull was cast south of Joliet Illinois by the Pressed Steal Car Co. It is as much of an all Illinois sherman that you can get. No turrets were cast in Illinois. We live about 20 miles from Granite City.
Wait. What? Own?
Thanks for posting! The M4A1 (c) Grizzly is an unsung icon of the era!
The Myriad Ways
The M4 story was punctuated with doctrinal and mission specificity changes.
Maintaining several types of different chasses--say, jeeps, deuce and a halfs, motorcycles, 7 ton trucks, in a single unit's Equipment is a logistical nightmare, both at the depot and at the railhead. Naturally, it would be nice if somewhere, someone, could make a common chassis and just mount whatever was needed on it . . . sort of like the Italian As42.
Attempts to create a "Combat Vehicle Family" based on a single chassis for commonality of components, supply, and repair, were made on all sides, with the Sherman, Panzer IV, and Type 97 coming closest to realization. 75mm and 105mm versions of the M4/M4A1/M4A3, were augmented by the 76mm armed variants, the standard self propelled artillery vehicle was the M7/M7B1, of which the latter was a Sherman variant. Crab Flails, Demolitions versions (AVRE), Beach Rescue, and Gun Tractor, variants all enjoyed at least limited production. Kangaroo versions were IFVs, more or less.
In fact, the only variant lacking in this litany of useful machines was an AA version. Considerable research and testing were done to find an effective means of placing AA fire where needed, much of it resulting in hardware manifestation atop the Sherman chassis. Self Propelled 90mm prototypes were overbalanced, too tall for tunnels, and ill protected (meaning they would not make good tank destroyers). The T52-A Sherman, with disc turret mounting a Bofors 40mm Gun and a pair of .50cals, looks cool as heck, but only made crews dizzy. Still, it was moving in the right direction, engineering-wise.
The idea found its most elegant expression in the Canadian Skink, not a Sherman variant, but based on the Ram, which was, in itself, a rationalized, improved, M3 Grant. One thing is common in recollections of the war: don't stand in front of a 2cmFlak(v)38! Well, the Skink was armed with a close cousin: 4 Polsten guns; in an armored turret . . . a reasonable index of AA and close support characteristics. Naturally, an all armored turret is not optimal for AA duty, but it sure was good at shooting up stuff on the ground. If they'd put a few Skink kit turrets on Shermans, it would've made the Combat Vehicle Family a reality.
Balance of Factors-A racehorse designed by committee
We think of armored combat as quick, but that's only compared to marching infantry. In reality, most tanks of the war were designed specifically to be able to keep up with a typical truck convoy. That limited overall size, weight, and weapon size, while forcing bigger engines on any mobile tank. Compare Char B1 or Churchill Mk VII to Sherman. The first two are seriously overarmored and, consequently, underpowered, while the other is quite lightly armored and well able to keep up with Jeeps on a soft road bed. In other words, the Churchill and Char to end all Chars were hard pressed to keep up with trucks on a concrete or block road, while the Sherman could make a high speed run to pass them on the straights. This is one factor in Strategic Mobility. Referring to my earlier point, the other main factor in Strategic Mobility is commonality of parts and ease of maintenance.
What ifs considered.
A 17 tank Company could field three platoons-each with three gun tanks, a Skink, and a 105), could be considered either a weaker, but more versatile, US Army Tank Platoon, or a stiffened, beefed up, UK style Troop. Command Section might be a Command Tank with extra radios and an FOP tank for Artillery/Air Liaison. You could slow the unit to a crawl by fitting an M1 Dozer blade to the 105 tank, and a Crab Flail on the Skink.
The Skink was based on a Sherman hull (specifically a Grizzly), not a Ram
Check Wufe's correction of my mistake below.
@@HBK-6S I stand corrected. Must be the weed. Thanks for spotting it.
Corroboration: "The original program called for production of 135 complete Skink Anti-aircraft Grizzly Tanks for the use of the Canadian Army and an additional 130 Skink Anti-Aircraft Grizzly Tanks to meet British requirements."
Too sad that this tank had been forgotten.
In case you didn't know, Granite City, IL is across the Mississippi River from the St. Louis, MO area. It is a suburb of St. Louis with a lot of heavy industry, especially in the 1940s.
It's kind of interesting that something as warlike as a tank hull would be sold to Canada, then participating in WWII, despite the US laws (Neutrality Acts) prohibiting US companies from supplying belligerent with weapons.
do you understand that Canada was a part of the Allied forces during WWII and was assisting in the gearing up for the war effort....there's nothing strange about it whatsoever...
@@sloanchampion85 You missed my point. Until about the summer of 1941, the official US policy was that it was a neutral country determined to avoid being drawn into WWI. The Neutrality Acts reflected the then prevalent belief that the USA had been drawn into WWI because USA arms manufacturers had been major suppliers of the Entente Powers. Some Americans even believed that arms manufacturers and bankers had drawn the US into WWI solely to savr their business interests in supplying the Allies.
Of course, I am only relating beliefs that were widespread in the USA literally until the day Japanese bombs fell on Hawaii.
My comment might apply more to the Ram that preceded it. Even when the USA was furiously developing the M2 and M3, exporting weapons to countries at war was verboten. For example, supposedly there was a ramp in North Dakota where new airplanes could "accidentally" roll into Canada. Then the Canadian would say "sorry" and fly the plane on to Britain. (That last part was a joke)
The Neutrality Laws are one reason why the combat debut of the M3 was in Operation Crusader in late 1941, after Lend-Lease was passed. Certainly after Dunkirk, the British would probably not have turned down a few thousand M2 tanks, if they had been available to them.
I know a guy who trained on a USA ship in Canada. They bought the ship privately and "sold" it to Canadian government as a way around usa neutrality lol. I'm sure everyone involved knew it was going to be for training the Canadians for war.
@@HSMiyamoto after the nazi invasion of Poland the US adopted the Neutrality Act of 1939, it ended the munitions embargo, the start of "cash and carry".
During the early 20th century the newly formed American Locomotive Company (Alco) acquired MLW's predecessor as a means of opening new possibilities in the Canadian market.
I love a good Sherman. They really are iconic aren't they.
I actually live about 10 minutes from granite city. My dad works down the road from where these hulls were cast.
Very informative.
Great episode!
If you happen to visit the Military History Museum in Vienna in the next weeks, there's a nice Christmas market nearby in front of Belvedere Palace and several more around other parts of town.
And the Museum itself has it's own Christmas Market between 29.11 and 01.12 (free entry)
danke walter, des war die meldung des tages für mich xD was kostet bei euch der punsch oben? und bitte sag ned 8€ xD
Canada is a great sidekick
Raining in Britain? No way...
Hehehehehe.
Rains more than Seattle... ;)
Since brexit happened
I recently found out my uncle taught tank crews in ww2 at Kingston Ontario. I wonder if he used the griz. He died before I was born and I live at the other end of the country so my guess is I'll never know the details. His brother was an air gunner with the RCAF who lived thru some serious combat. They had an American cousin who died on D-Day. Sadly I'll never hear war stories from any of them. Be sure to ask your elderly relatives about their lives if you get the chance!
One of my grandpas died before I could think up such questions and he never talked about it much to my grandma. The other one was 7 or 8 years old at the time he and his family had to flee Eastern Pomerania from the Russians. It was a miserable affair and quite unpleasant from what he told me. It's weird to uncover all those little big stories that were required for your own life to even have a chance of happening.
Your uncle may have taught mine, who commanded one. He didn't like talking about the war tho'. His tank & crew were destroyed by a panzer and he only survived because cmdrs were often half out of the turret (or so I gather). Still, it's meaningful to see them and contemplate what must have been sheer hell.
My grandfather Ernest Woodrow Neeld, sat us down, my cousin and I, and told us about the war in a tank. He landed at Normandy shortly after D Day then fought across France, the bulge then across Germany to Czechoslovakia. The war ended for his crew when the rolled their tank over down a mountain. 172 and the Third army under Patten.
If he was sleeping we were told not to wake him up. If we had to wake him we were instructed to only touch his foot calling him. He was known to wake violently. He had seen to much and was never free from his demons.
He was both proud of his service and terribly disturbed by it.
He said he was not a hero because the hero’s didn’t come home.
Despite its deficiencies, the M4 Sherman was the most important
Allied tank of WWII.
Every Allied army, including the Soviets, used it.
53,000 Shermans were built.
It might not be one of the variants that won the war, but it has a cool name.
Brilliant thank you!
Cool piece of a history
Granite City Illinois represent!!
Good grief. That Austrian museum's name is a bit of a mouthful. Again, a good interesting video. Thanks Tank Museum.
If it doesn't sound like a bunch of angry gobbledygook, it isn't really german now is it.
You adjusted the volume of the intro. Very nice :)
Somehow, I really can see a group of austrian craftsmen with special-purpose toothbrushes cleaning the Grizzly until it's shiny as mercury...
Are there any other surviving members of the Grizzlies tanks that are going to be restored to working order or as museum pieces as Grizzlies? I found this video to be very interesting as I had never heard of the Grizzly until I watched this video!
Big thumbs up from me as I found your presenter to be absolutely personable and knowledgeable about the Grizzly! Great video!
Another great video, also congratulations on the Netflix show I was excited to see a familiar face in a Netflix documentary
Nice. As good a reason as any other to go to the HGM.
Are they the original boggies on it? thought grizzlys had the smaller track skid like on the sexton 2?
That was a Grizzly tale.
FYI: The "G" stands for "General Steel Castings," not "Granite City, IL." Just to clear that up.
I like the Grizzly, very nice.
If memory serves, there is an example of the Grizzly on display at the Worthington Tank Museum at Canadian Forces Base Borden in Ontario.
There is, it's just unpainted, I spent a few years as a kid in Borden and loved seeing the military weapons and vehicles.
@@MrGrizzly487: I've been up to the Worthington Tank Park in Borden a few times, one of my uncles was stationed there for a number of years.
Lots of interesting armoured vehicles to see there.
Very good vidéo. Thx.
Honestly I thought all the grizzlies became kangaroo carriers alongside the ram hulls.
For a moment I felt like the background with the tank is not real. So authentic and static that feels like a colorized photo.
I was given a Westinghouse fan, black color, and was told it was for a tank, I thought the A12 fan was for Navy.
I saw a bunch of Portugese army Shermans dumped outside one of their army camps in 1991
The New Zealand Army Museum has a Grizzly in it's collection. I think it came from your museum in exchange for on of our M41 'Walker Bulldog' tanks???
Is it true that after Dunkirk you had only 2 completely equipped divisions both Canadian including their first Tank Division?
Our great uncles said they had to go to Canada to train in tanks right after Pearl? True?
One had been up there to become pilot but he ended up staying Canadian. Our Canadian cousins today. Before America in the war.
I hope when the Grizzly goes to Vienna Museum it stays historically as a Grizzly and not turn into a mock up Sherman.
p.s. it's kind like when you see people calling a plane a Messerschmitt Bf 109 when it really a Hispano Aviación HA-1112
Or a Czech Sd Kfz 251, or a T-34 Tiger, or an American trainer Zero. There's lots of them.
I have the same thoughts. It's history, it's what you are trying to present, embrace it for what it is. I think the HA-1112 is an interesting plane, it's a German plane built in Spain, a neutral country, that had the engine of a British Spitfire. It's an interesting corner of history just as it is, and if it looks like any BF 109 no one is going to be interested in the story behind it. The Messerschmitt BF-108, which paved the way for many of the Messerschmitt designs, is painted up by some to look like a BF-109.
It's on loan. So I'm pretty sure it stays a Grizzly.
When you're unsure if your team-mate can even make it onto the field
amazing thing is its left outside in the weather but looks like all it needs is a tank of gas and some ammo and off it would go to war.
The 17 tooth sprocket was for the shorter pitched CDP track which is fitted to THAT Grizzlie. Unfortunate that the editor didn't catch such a glaring error... 😯
gate guardians have saved many rare ww2 tanks, planes etc. were it not for that, they would have been melted down!
The Ram would have been deadly in combat for its time.
88porpoise 6 pounder remained effective throughout the war. A couple thousand more effective tanks would have come in handy I would think.
DOUG HEINS more versatility. More reliable performance at longer ranges. Obviously by the end of the war newer designs surpassed the capabilities of the 6 pdr but that doesn’t mean the 6 couldn’t get the job done. In 1942 it would have been excellent in an antitank role.
DOUG HEINS were arguing two different things. I didn’t say the 6 pounder was a better anti tank gun than later designs. Obviously it was inferior to the 17 pdr but this tank was available for service long before the firefly and had a better anti tank gun than the 75mm pop gun on the Sherman’s. Used in an anti tank role it would have been great FOR ITS TIME.
DOUG HEINS none of that has anything to do with what I said. I said the 6pdr ram would have been great for its time. At no time did I claim the 6 pdr was better than later designs. Are you just messing with me?
DOUG HEINS why then was the 6 pounder still in use a decade after the war ended? If needed the 6 pounder could utilize later ammunition advances to keep it suitable for service in an anti tank role.
And I"m from Granite City, IL that made the hull! You're welcome. Lol.
I would love to see the inside of a ram someday and see how it compares to the inside of the Sherman and the Sentinel.
So would I. The problem is finding one in good condition. Bovington’s, Borden’s and Vancouver’s are not. Ottawa seems to be my last hope
Wow, first time I've heard of a country tooling up to build a tank, and stopping because there were enough being supplied. Germany had to be jealous...
Australia did the same, but the Sentinel was pretty damn bad :p
@@Marc83Aus I'm not sure I've heard of any British tank from WW2 that actually worked that well. Even the better loved ones... turns out they had a lot of the same flaws.
The Americans wound up making more Shermans than Germany made tanks of ALL marks, so the Canadian production became superfluous. The resources went instead into producing just over 2000 Sexton Mk. II's for the British Army; the Mk. II's were built on the Sherman lower hull, rather than the Lee/Grant lower hull that was used for the Sexton Mk. I (and the Ram tank.)
@@cavscout888 the Comet and Centurion tanks were both developed by the UK during the war, and entered service in 1945, although the later after Germany's surrender.
@@toomuchtimeonourhands2891 The Centurion was too late and not a WW2 serving tank, only serving/seeing limited use in Korea. It's really not worth much study due to low to impact, other than maybe what they learned from making it. Like the MBT70 and MBT80.
Weird that they were still so prone to breaking down constantly. Would have thought the design could have been a lot better after all the British use of the Sherman.
This tank was seriously improved by the Israelis, who used it to defeat the most modern Soviet tanks in the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War - it only left the service in the IDF in the early 1980s.
Thanks as usual, can you do a show on Diesel powered Sherman’s?
Canuck tank mentioned, swell with maple syrup and beer
So, was it selected as the gate guard because the tracks didn't have rubber?
I live 5 mins away from the Vienna Military museum , I will let you know how it looks :=)
I always wondered where the Grizzly tank came from in Red Alert 2.....well I'll be damned.
I’m assuming the surface is rough from the casting process and not all rust?
Bit of both by the looks of it
There is an example of a Ram and a Sherman Tank at an armory in Vancouver BC.
That would be The British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught's Own) Beatty Street Armoury.
@@larryclyons What he said.
Up the Dukes!
And, that is a Grizzly sitting in front of one of two Parade Halls left standing in Vancouver B.C.. Up the Dukes!
Never heard of this type of tank
No offence to David Willey....but wheres Tank santa????
Sany0 , go to their site
Preparing for tankmas. Duh.
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good because his 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore gun can engage targets at a range of up to [REDACTED] kilometres.
Sany0 they thought they'd put out a video with actual information content, rather than 10 minutes of tank santa rambling, repeating himself every two minutes, and making mistakes every six minutes.
This is much better.
@@iatsd Krampus will snatch you and force you to drive the bob semple tank as punishment.
So... A Grizzly is just an early specification M4 Sherman assembled (not build) in Canada from US produced parts..
Also the Canadian style sprockets and tracks dont tell it all: they are easily exchanged with the American style sprockets and tracks because all the rest of the running gear and gearbox is standard U.S. M4.
Can you do the Strv 103? :)
we have a RAM, I think a MK 3 in vancouver. I'd love to see it run someday, but its been a gate guard for so long, all the engine components are probably siezed. That is, if it even has an engine in it at all still.
I love it. Y’all use the good ol “ there’s a problem it’s those dang Americans”
Tradition you know. You're those Dang Yankees, no matter how far South you're from, and we're Canadian Communists or something equally unspeakable.
;-)
Cheers for now.
The bare necessities of life.