That's an excellent list . Like you said, there were other excellent players but I think you covered the best of the '60s. I might include Rick Barry but he entered the NBA as a rookie in the latter half of the '60s and Barry had a number of accolades in the '70s. Great list! 💯
@@82and0 Statistically speaking, Barry had his best years in the '60s NBA with the Warriors. Of course, the "Miami Greyhound" had an outstanding decade in the '70s also.
New age players can only shoot 3s better. 60s actually would dribble the ball. Crossovers are nice but don't mean anything if it's a carry over. Old age, better mid range , better around the basket, better at driving, better low post game, better defence, better coaches, real men who dealt with racism, etc etc etc. 2020 basketball is as talented as the early 50s. Players today can't even play 82 games plus they flop and cry
Good video 😊 may suggest created a team from each decade ? Not an Allstars team but players that would play well together? For example your selections were great but I would start with Wilt at center backed up by nate Thurmond and Walt Bellamy as power forward as he could drive to basket and had a good 15 footer; the rest I'll like to see your selection.
The NBA changed rules to make it harder for Wilt, they changed the rules to make it easier for Jordan. Wilt is the GOAT, just ask his good friend Bill Russell.
Excellent list. Personally, I would likely put Gus Johnson over Walt Bellamy. Just looking at their numbers, it's close, but those who saw Gus play know that the numbers don't tell the whole story. He had incredible athleticism, power and speed, was creative and innovative, and he opened the door for those forwards who would "play above the rim."
New age players can only shoot 3s better. 60s actually would dribble the ball. Crossovers are nice but don't mean anything if it's a carry over. Old age, better mid range , better around the basket, better at driving, better low post game, better defence, better coaches, real men who dealt with racism, etc etc etc. 2020 basketball is as talented as the early 50s. Players today can't even play 82 games plus they flop and cry
This is really the only way you can rank players the game is a little different every decade and everyone is playing on a level playing field as far as his the game is played and training methods and eating habits
You have got to edit this, and put Bill number one. Not because he dominated the 50’s. Not because he dominated the 60’s. It’s because everyone he dominated,dominated after he retired. Almost all of them won a championship in the 70’s, but couldn’t get past Bill in the 60’s. The one he lost to Wilt Chamberlain’s super team, he was injured 🤕. 😂🤣
I like Russell better but i feel skill wise wilt was better. Russell couldnt do what wilt did. It was hard to rank them man. I should have did a 1a 1b lol
Russell wasn't injured when he lost to wilt. He was injured vs Pettit Pettit 58. But wilt was a better player, the Celtics were beyond incredible besides just him
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 he played 42 minutes in the opener and 42 minutes in the elimination game. That should tell you something. Hal Greer himself said he was injured. The next year he was older with a worse team. What happened? 😂🤣
@@Amick44 really. Walt Frazier was good from the very start. Excellent on defense , once holy man put him into the starting 5 in 1969 itt all started to happen I WAS THERE
I was with you till you said Russell was the greatest defender of all time and it's not even close. Even the statistician of that time Harvey Pollack said Wilt Chamberlain blocked way more shots than Bill Russell. And I can understand if you feel he was a better defender. But that "not even close" part is pure BS honestly.
But Russell had the most dws in a season and the most in a career. He averaged 15 dws in 1965. Wilts best des season was like 10 dws. Its all good if you disagree. Chamberlain could do so much more on offense. I should have honestly done 1a and 1b. Reason i take Russell is how much of a leader he was. Like coach red said hed take Russell over Chamberlain. Maybe if i was counting 70s wilt could surpass him but. I cant forget wilt blowing a 3-1 lead to Russ. Also 1969 meltdown. Honestly the lakers should have blown them out with west baylor and wilt. They blew a 2-0 lead even. Russell won at every level he did whatever he had to do to win. Wilt at least in the 60s was obsessed with his stats. I know in 72 he took a backseat role. But in the 60s hed argue with statisticians over his stats.
When it comes to Red Auerbach, he didn't like Wilt Chamberlain because Wilt turned him down as being a territorial pick. You can look it up. But Wilt even said in an interview that he and Red didn't like each other. So that likely had something to do with him saying that. But most of the players who actually played in their time said they'd take Wilt over Russ. Some of them even said they'd take Nate Thurmond over him too. Baylor was the only player I remember saying he'd take Russ over any player. And maybe Kareem said it, if I'm not mistaken. But to be clear, I don't have an issue with someone thinking Bill was a better defender. My only issue was the "not even close" part. And pretty much all of this stuff you've mentioned like defensive win shares and blowing a 3-1 lead are team oriented things. I always hated when people say things like Russell beat Wilt, or Jordan beat Magic. It's like Rick Barry said before when it came to these types of comparisons. This is not tennis. They're not playing 1on1 because we ALL know how those numbers really look when it comes to them going head to head. It was really no match at all, as Wally Jones said.
And by the way, when it came to his stats. He did love his stats, but he was also told to do that by his coach. As stacked as The Celtics were, they used to beat The Warriors by only a few points. So Frank Mcguire asked Wilt to try and average 50pts to see if they could win. It just didn't work. Wilt doesn't get enough credit for doing what he was asked. That's why his numbers changed dramatically. Different coaches wanted different things from him. That's why he didn't hardly get the ball as a Laker. He was just supposed to be their defender and rebounder. He was one of their last scoring options. The little bit of time he was asked to be a scorer before he got injured as a Laker, he averaged over 27pts a game. And even scored 66 after coming back from an Patellar tendon rupture, which would've ended most people's career. But he didn't choke or nothing like that, make no mistake. He just had different roles. Otherwise, Bill Russell's numbers would've jumped out at us whenever they'd play each other.
@@lukesmith9692 That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to mine. It's really a subjective thing because it depends on what you like. I agree that Russell was a SMARTER defender. But the bottom line is Wilt was a more effective player on the floor in general, based on ALL AROUND TALENT! Defense included! Like I KEEP SAYING, my ONLY problem with what he said was it's not even close, which is a lie! Nate Thurmond was a similar player of Russ. But Nate Thurmond was better than Russ offensively too. And he would've more than likely been just as successful as Bill Russell was if he was on The Celtics teams instead back then. Same with Willis Reed. Those Celtics teams were overwhelmingly stacked compared to everybody else. It was a surprise that any team snapped their winning streak. They weren't allowed to have trades like that. But it's crazy how if you could allow trades, these convos would be MUCH different.
Wow, right away disagree with having Walt Bellamy over Reed. Love Walt, but damn dude Reed won Rookie of the Year in 1965 sht. What he was nobody until 1969? C'mon now.
Wilt Chamberlain had four teammates on your top ten list, and still was dominated by Bill who only had one. So much for he had better teammates. Nate Thurman, Hal Greer, Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. The best you could do for Bill is Sam Jones, and he is not better than any of those four players. Also you keep saying that he wasn’t well rounded. Number three assist as a center in the history of the league. Number two as a rebounder, and averaged 15 points without one offensive play ever called for him. Even Defense minded centers today get a play or two called for them, and they don’t average 15 points per game. I told you before, only 15 current players are averaging over 20 points per game. Stop acting as 15 points is average, because it isn’t. The average points today is 9 points per game. That means he is way above average even for today. If you only count 8 players per team the average go up to 14. If we use your standard, Wilt Chamberlain is the only well rounded player ever. Bill Russell would be the only other person to qualify in the history of the NBA.😂🤣
What was Bill Russell's fg%? If we switched Russell and Wilt. Would Russell make the 1964 warriors win the the championship? Wilt did have great teammates but he didnt have 8 hofers on 1 roster. Russell could never do what Wilt did offensively. Wilt was much better all around. Russell had leadership and defensive over him. Ill give him that. What was Russell's per compared to wilts?
I never said Russell couldnt pass. I am saying he wasnt skilled offensively. His fg% was dog shit even for back than. And his ft% was at times worse than wilts.
@@82and0 no it wasn’t 😂. He was playing at the fastest pace ever, without set plays called for him. Yet he averaged 15 points. I don’t care how you spin it, you are spouting narrative nonsense. Still like the video though.😂🤣
60’s players had no skill couldn’t do cross overs or shoot from 45 feet like todays players… if they were exposed to the modern nba they would be great cus of their athleticism
@@82and0 Look at his jump shot and how slow he releases the ball and how he always looks down at the ball when dribbling… I have nothing but respect for them because they pioneered b-ball and they are legends…. But if they were put in a portal and told to play B-ball with a modern gaurd for example Curry vs Oscar…. Curry is cooking Oscar with his cross over and step back 3…. Howvee the big men like Wilt, and Bill Russell would dominate cus they just have to be athletic you don’t have to be all that skilled to play center just have to have a big body so you can rebound, post up, block shots ect.
Yes they could they just weren't allowed to do with the nba rules on how they were supposed to dribble and move and they were creative a bit more....none of the colleges allowed it until the nba realized people wanted more showmanship and started allowing them to do it especially after the success of and 1 and ai etc but they did tricks at parks and Harlem globetrotters
Sorry Dennis Rodman is the greatest Defender of all time. Rodman could check Shaw and MJ. Bill Russell wasn't that versatile and be a lock down defender on a guy like Shaq and MJ.
Id say Bill because of how many dws he had. He had over 16 dws in one season. Idgaf who you are playing against you are the goat defender for that. You are wrong Russell could guard the 1-5. He was quick and could switch on to guards. To me Rodman is number 2. The only knock against him is he couldnt shot block
@@82and0 I’m right. He could switch, but he couldn’t guard a 2 guard for whole course of the game. Dennis Rodman could and he did with Bad Boys. He would guard MJ one night and than Ewing another. You never saw Bill Russell check the Big O or Jerry West for the whole game or most of it. Bill Russell could not do both for whole course of the game. And win shares is a dumb statistic I’m sorry that doesn’t mean anything. Unless it is WAR in Baseball, those numbers don’t mean anything.
Thanks for recognizing Pettit! Often forgotten these days.
Yup, the Godfather of the stretch 4/5 in the league smh
He was no WNC!
@@morrisparrish76Don't recall saying he was. Drexler was no Jordan. Doesn't mean he wasn't great.
Pettit Jordan & drexeler (combined) ain’t no WNC!
That's an excellent list . Like you said, there were other excellent players but I think you covered the best of the '60s. I might include Rick Barry but he entered the NBA as a rookie in the latter half of the '60s and Barry had a number of accolades in the '70s. Great list! 💯
Thank you so much. Yea id put him in the 1970s list
@@82and0 Statistically speaking, Barry had his best years in the '60s NBA with the Warriors. Of course, the "Miami Greyhound" had an outstanding decade in the '70s also.
Wilt was the greatest of ALL time!
Not bad for a bunch of carpenters!
Lol
New age players can only shoot 3s better. 60s actually would dribble the ball. Crossovers are nice but don't mean anything if it's a carry over. Old age, better mid range , better around the basket, better at driving, better low post game, better defence, better coaches, real men who dealt with racism, etc etc etc. 2020 basketball is as talented as the early 50s. Players today can't even play 82 games plus they flop and cry
There was no 3pt shot or flagrant foul rule in the 60s or 70s!
Good video 😊 may suggest created a team from each decade ? Not an Allstars team but players that would play well together? For example your selections were great but I would start with Wilt at center backed up by nate Thurmond and Walt Bellamy as power forward as he could drive to basket and had a good 15 footer; the rest I'll like to see your selection.
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One thing not mentioned in this video: only one man had 5 rules changed to hinder his game!
@@morrisparrish76 wilt was a beast rip
We all know it now!
The NBA changed rules to make it harder for Wilt, they changed the rules to make it easier for Jordan. Wilt is the GOAT, just ask his good friend Bill Russell.
And I'm a Celtics fan for 64 years (I'm 74 now).
Michael said it so i guess i don’t have to!
Excellent list. Personally, I would likely put Gus Johnson over Walt Bellamy. Just looking at their numbers, it's close, but those who saw Gus play know that the numbers don't tell the whole story. He had incredible athleticism, power and speed, was creative and innovative, and he opened the door for those forwards who would "play above the rim."
interesting video, but for non-basketball fans I recommend setting the playback speed to 1.25
Excellent list!
Nice fade away! Did he invent the fade away?
What do you call a man who:
Played 46mpg
Got 23rpg
Scored 30ppg
For his career ?
Answer: the greatest of ALL time!
Chamberlain melted in the 4th quarter
Jerry Lucas
New age players can only shoot 3s better. 60s actually would dribble the ball. Crossovers are nice but don't mean anything if it's a carry over. Old age, better mid range , better around the basket, better at driving, better low post game, better defence, better coaches, real men who dealt with racism, etc etc etc. 2020 basketball is as talented as the early 50s. Players today can't even play 82 games plus they flop and cry
This is really the only way you can rank players the game is a little different every decade and everyone is playing on a level playing field as far as his the game is played and training methods and eating habits
Opinions vary!
Nate Thurmond was scared to death & rightfully so : wilt chamberlain!
Rick Barry top 15 of 60s?
No doubt
But i consider him more 70s too.
@@82and0 facts facts
Yes. But guys like Rick, Havlicek, Bing and Frazier were really in their primes approx late 60s to mid 70s. So .....
Rick Barry is one of 8 players who averaged over 40mpg for his career!
Great video though. Russell has to be number one and Wilt 2
That’s your opinion……FUBARed as it is!
You have got to edit this, and put Bill number one. Not because he dominated the 50’s. Not because he dominated the 60’s. It’s because everyone he dominated,dominated after he retired. Almost all of them won a championship in the 70’s, but couldn’t get past Bill in the 60’s. The one he lost to Wilt Chamberlain’s super team, he was injured 🤕. 😂🤣
I like Russell better but i feel skill wise wilt was better. Russell couldnt do what wilt did. It was hard to rank them man. I should have did a 1a 1b lol
Russell wasn't injured when he lost to wilt. He was injured vs Pettit Pettit 58.
But wilt was a better player, the Celtics were beyond incredible besides just him
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 he played 42 minutes in the opener and 42 minutes in the elimination game. That should tell you something. Hal Greer himself said he was injured. The next year he was older with a worse team. What happened? 😂🤣
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 from the mid 60s on, Wilt played with terrific teammates as well.
@@82and0 Jerry Lucas deserves to be in the top 10
Where is Walt Frazier and Willis Reed
Frazier s prime more early to mid 70s. Reed came into the league in 64'. But deserves a mention.
@@Amick44 really. Walt Frazier was good from the very start. Excellent on defense , once holy man put him into the starting 5 in 1969 itt all started to happen I WAS THERE
That’ Holtzman
@@michaelares4240 not saying he wasn't. But he didn't come into the league till 67-68. I feel he and his career qualify more as a 70s star.
I was with you till you said Russell was the greatest defender of all time and it's not even close. Even the statistician of that time Harvey Pollack said Wilt Chamberlain blocked way more shots than Bill Russell. And I can understand if you feel he was a better defender. But that "not even close" part is pure BS honestly.
But Russell had the most dws in a season and the most in a career. He averaged 15 dws in 1965. Wilts best des season was like 10 dws. Its all good if you disagree. Chamberlain could do so much more on offense. I should have honestly done 1a and 1b. Reason i take Russell is how much of a leader he was. Like coach red said hed take Russell over Chamberlain. Maybe if i was counting 70s wilt could surpass him but. I cant forget wilt blowing a 3-1 lead to Russ. Also 1969 meltdown. Honestly the lakers should have blown them out with west baylor and wilt. They blew a 2-0 lead even. Russell won at every level he did whatever he had to do to win. Wilt at least in the 60s was obsessed with his stats. I know in 72 he took a backseat role. But in the 60s hed argue with statisticians over his stats.
When it comes to Red Auerbach, he didn't like Wilt Chamberlain because Wilt turned him down as being a territorial pick. You can look it up. But Wilt even said in an interview that he and Red didn't like each other. So that likely had something to do with him saying that. But most of the players who actually played in their time said they'd take Wilt over Russ. Some of them even said they'd take Nate Thurmond over him too. Baylor was the only player I remember saying he'd take Russ over any player. And maybe Kareem said it, if I'm not mistaken. But to be clear, I don't have an issue with someone thinking Bill was a better defender. My only issue was the "not even close" part. And pretty much all of this stuff you've mentioned like defensive win shares and blowing a 3-1 lead are team oriented things. I always hated when people say things like Russell beat Wilt, or Jordan beat Magic. It's like Rick Barry said before when it came to these types of comparisons. This is not tennis. They're not playing 1on1 because we ALL know how those numbers really look when it comes to them going head to head. It was really no match at all, as Wally Jones said.
And by the way, when it came to his stats. He did love his stats, but he was also told to do that by his coach. As stacked as The Celtics were, they used to beat The Warriors by only a few points. So Frank Mcguire asked Wilt to try and average 50pts to see if they could win. It just didn't work. Wilt doesn't get enough credit for doing what he was asked. That's why his numbers changed dramatically. Different coaches wanted different things from him. That's why he didn't hardly get the ball as a Laker. He was just supposed to be their defender and rebounder. He was one of their last scoring options. The little bit of time he was asked to be a scorer before he got injured as a Laker, he averaged over 27pts a game. And even scored 66 after coming back from an Patellar tendon rupture, which would've ended most people's career. But he didn't choke or nothing like that, make no mistake. He just had different roles. Otherwise, Bill Russell's numbers would've jumped out at us whenever they'd play each other.
Russel is the best ever. He would block a shot and tip it to a teammate for a fast break. Smartest defender ever
@@lukesmith9692 That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to mine. It's really a subjective thing because it depends on what you like. I agree that Russell was a SMARTER defender. But the bottom line is Wilt was a more effective player on the floor in general, based on ALL AROUND TALENT! Defense included! Like I KEEP SAYING, my ONLY problem with what he said was it's not even close, which is a lie! Nate Thurmond was a similar player of Russ. But Nate Thurmond was better than Russ offensively too. And he would've more than likely been just as successful as Bill Russell was if he was on The Celtics teams instead back then. Same with Willis Reed. Those Celtics teams were overwhelmingly stacked compared to everybody else. It was a surprise that any team snapped their winning streak. They weren't allowed to have trades like that. But it's crazy how if you could allow trades, these convos would be MUCH different.
Wow, right away disagree with having Walt Bellamy over Reed. Love Walt, but damn dude Reed won Rookie of the Year in 1965 sht. What he was nobody until 1969? C'mon now.
I was looking at just the 60s. Not entire career. If you include 70s id take reed
Walt Bellamy. He’s no goat. Not one of of the best centers. You never saw him play .
Chamberlain over Russell???!"???! Please, don't make us laugh... He just hid away in the clutch.
The more i been thinking about it. Id take Russell. Yes wilt could do so much more in terms of offense. But he didnt have russ killer instinct
@@82and0 I think Russell's aim was to improve his teammates and win championships. Chamberlain's was to improve his stats.
Wilt just didn't have a good coach and the killer instinct of Russell
Wilt Chamberlain had four teammates on your top ten list, and still was dominated by Bill who only had one. So much for he had better teammates. Nate Thurman, Hal Greer, Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. The best you could do for Bill is Sam Jones, and he is not better than any of those four players. Also you keep saying that he wasn’t well rounded. Number three assist as a center in the history of the league. Number two as a rebounder, and averaged 15 points without one offensive play ever called for him. Even Defense minded centers today get a play or two called for them, and they don’t average 15 points per game. I told you before, only 15 current players are averaging over 20 points per game. Stop acting as 15 points is average, because it isn’t. The average points today is 9 points per game. That means he is way above average even for today. If you only count 8 players per team the average go up to 14. If we use your standard, Wilt Chamberlain is the only well rounded player ever. Bill Russell would be the only other person to qualify in the history of the NBA.😂🤣
What was Bill Russell's fg%?
If we switched Russell and Wilt. Would Russell make the 1964 warriors win the the championship?
Wilt did have great teammates but he didnt have 8 hofers on 1 roster.
Russell could never do what Wilt did offensively.
Wilt was much better all around. Russell had leadership and defensive over him. Ill give him that.
What was Russell's per compared to wilts?
I never said Russell couldnt pass. I am saying he wasnt skilled offensively. His fg% was dog shit even for back than. And his ft% was at times worse than wilts.
Russell played defense and lead his teams. Wilt gave you it on both ends efficiently. Im sorry Wilt was a better player.
@@82and0 you are 😞, that you don’t understand the game.😂🤣
@@82and0 no it wasn’t 😂. He was playing at the fastest pace ever, without set plays called for him. Yet he averaged 15 points. I don’t care how you spin it, you are spouting narrative nonsense. Still like the video though.😂🤣
60’s players had no skill couldn’t do cross overs or shoot from 45 feet like todays players… if they were exposed to the modern nba they would be great cus of their athleticism
Oscar had no skill? News to me
@@82and0
Look at his jump shot and how slow he releases the ball and how he always looks down at the ball when dribbling… I have nothing but respect for them because they pioneered b-ball and they are legends…. But if they were put in a portal and told to play B-ball with a modern gaurd for example Curry vs Oscar…. Curry is cooking Oscar with his cross over and step back 3…. Howvee the big men like Wilt, and Bill Russell would dominate cus they just have to be athletic you don’t have to be all that skilled to play center just have to have a big body so you can rebound, post up, block shots ect.
@@TheGOAT-dr1sq im not sure man. I think the joe fulks era players wouldnt last today. But by this era they were very skilled.
@@TheGOAT-dr1sq i apprecate your respect for them. I dont like when people shit on players for no reason
Yes they could they just weren't allowed to do with the nba rules on how they were supposed to dribble and move and they were creative a bit more....none of the colleges allowed it until the nba realized people wanted more showmanship and started allowing them to do it especially after the success of and 1 and ai etc but they did tricks at parks and Harlem globetrotters
Sorry Dennis Rodman is the greatest Defender of all time. Rodman could check Shaw and MJ. Bill Russell wasn't that versatile and be a lock down defender on a guy like Shaq and MJ.
Bill is tho😭
Id say Bill because of how many dws he had. He had over 16 dws in one season. Idgaf who you are playing against you are the goat defender for that. You are wrong Russell could guard the 1-5. He was quick and could switch on to guards.
To me Rodman is number 2. The only knock against him is he couldnt shot block
@@82and0 I’m right. He could switch, but he couldn’t guard a 2 guard for whole course of the game. Dennis Rodman could and he did with Bad Boys. He would guard MJ one night and than Ewing another. You never saw Bill Russell check the Big O or Jerry West for the whole game or most of it. Bill Russell could not do both for whole course of the game. And win shares is a dumb statistic I’m sorry that doesn’t mean anything. Unless it is WAR in Baseball, those numbers don’t mean anything.
@@Dr.8803 this is wrong
@@Dr.8803 the Celts funneled shooters to Bill so he could deal with them. Detroit did not do that with Rodman. Great against wings, though.