At the end of all this, my main takeaway is this: When you have massive piles of skeletons in your closet, don't call out someone for accidentally leaving a chicken bone in theirs. What Tobi did looks like nothing compared to the stuff that half of the people calling her out were up to. In that respect, the Tobi drama was a good thing. It took the mask off of tons of unsavory characters.
What I've learned through the years (mainly by seeing drama like this unfold in various ways), is that people who start calling someone out on their bad actions, usually do the same if not even worse actions.
To those of you who'll say JAR's "reviving" the drama, this video is nothing more than a retrospective on a video related to it. We've all moved on by now, but it's fine to take a look back on a flawed video such as this.
When this was being made I remember phantom asking me in dms if I would be interested for an interview on my small very laughable addition to that situation. I turned it down and said I'd actually appreciate if they just didn't include me in their video. Amazingly they added me in anyways and claimed me as a super best friend of tobis (despite me saying multiple times i wasnt) Needlessly to say I was not very happy.
A little odd considering your stream. 💀 You refused to provide an opinion on the situation, despite literally criticizing someone for the same thing in a previous video, and then lost your shit. 💀 The rest of your fuck club is far more brain dead though.
I still defend JAR from the beginning of this whole thing to the end. Worth it. This video is actually a great cap on these whole situations. Great work, JAR!
This specific robot is a special one! Majority of his enemies got destroyed in the end, he's the true definition of 'the right side of history!' Three giant drama, (as far as I know.) He got involved with, and he survived it all like a true war veteran! And all he's baby robot chips will learn valuable lesson of why meaty people are stupid compared to metallic people. So the moral of the story: Always side with JAR!!! If he got slandered again, always side with him, no matter what! Because all in he's dramas, he always ended up on the top! (And if this comment soon ended up didn't age well, then I won't leave him because he's a robot, and robot always right!) Hail Skynet...
@@TrueBuddhaCat You know what, this whole drama is like an awesome plot for a movie or show. Because all this disaster was started because commentary community are shady as a whole. They'll do anything to make money, even betraying their own buddies like they're just a bunch of objects. And yeah! I sensed garbage from the culprits behind all this massacres like CreepShowFart, Prison for life Luke, and Kai the racer! Before they expose themselves as a sewer monsters. And ooohhhh boooiii!!! It's satisfying to see this evil people got a bigger hit than JAR!
I’m gonna be honest, I had a lot of doubts here and there, though I wanted to believe JAR and the others, I couldn’t tell if Kai and the others were lying or not. Now I definitely know, but I feel dumb for having doubts in the first place. Hopefully I can get my head straight on if there’s ever another drama
I've been very tempted to cover the wire-tapping aspect of this, along with Spoctor's goofy response to all of this. Good video on all this nonsense. There's still idiots out there that need some slapping.
I'm glad to see someone else bring up that stupid video Spoctor made about this mess. What he said about the person who was angry about Junkie and his lowkey defense of Junkie soured my opinion of him real bad. What's worse is that the person in question actually commented on the video, but Spoct said nothing to them, even though he reads comments. Who the hell are you to enforce how other people feel about the situations they go through? Who do you think you are? Haven't wached a video of his since.
@@djdragondrawer9339 What's worse is that he pinned and responded to someone else's comment criticizing him. But when people were telling him to do the same for Hiten, dead silence. And to be honest, I don't trust anytime Spoctor talks about the wrongdoings of his friends/associates. It leads to him either downplaying their actions, misrepresenting the feelings and actions of those affected, or even both. I understand that Spoctor wants to hear both sides and doesn't want to go too hard towards those he's friendly with. But there's a difference between acting like a neutral party and showcasing personal biases while claiming neutrality.
@@ktvasil472 he has a bias for people he likes too I think. When he made his video about ViperAU vs Moistcritial, he pretty much sided with ViperAU(who he said he watches) and only briefly mentioned what people hated the most about what viper did(when he compared reaction streamers to (cant say because youtube)). Meanwhile for moist, spoctor went on about how he doesnt like his content anymore and wants his old content back. Because this was posted right after moist's response(in which he said he'd stop reacting on stream but clarified that what he was most upset about was viper's comparison), a lot of comments were telling spoctor about the response and that he should include it, as well as anger towards the fact that he brushed over viper's comparison. His response? Radio silence. Lost a lot of respect for him and unsubbed(his God-awful pngtuber video afterwards didn't help) It's been a while so my memory is fuzzy, so I recommend watching or researching instead of taking my comment as fact.
I still genuinely believe that everything after tobi's video on creepshow would not have happened if she never made it. call me crazy, but she kicked off a domino effect that just did not stop until everyone involved wound up imploding.
I mean as morbid as it is, this is how wars start. The American Revolution happened because the British taxed us too much without representation. The American Civil War happened because Abraham Lincoln was elected. WW1 was the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2 was because the Treaty of Versailles fucked over Germany and led to the rise of several horrible dictators. Domino effects are horrifying
Too bad tobi is a transphobic piece of trash that could had took out shannon early before she did the peaches drama but threw it away when she made a transphobic slur and tried to defend it by saying it her bpd acting up
I am glad this drama is finally over. Now that CreepShowArt, Prison Mate Luke, Kai, Omnia, and Junkie lost all their reputations, no one will “revive” the Tobi drama from this point to onward.
All those channels seem dead but omnia's I kinda know what all the others have done now, but what did omnia do to lose her reputation? I just wanna know.
@@PitLordKazzy while i'm willing to give Omnia a second chance, it shouldn't be swept under the rug that they: -slandered Hopeless Peaches -lied about never linking to Prison Mate Luke's video and not being in kahoots with him -slandered Dollieguts and never actually apologized. -has a tendency of non-apologies, where they try to justify their misdeeds, through the backdoor but like i've said: i'm not saying that they can't become a better person. but in order to do that, Omnia needs to accept that they themselves have made mistakes, they can't blame on Kai.
@@PitLordKazzy tbf I don’t like Omnia’s videos and I didn’t like the shit they pulled, buuuuut the fact that Kai abused them, stole from them, and outed them to their unsupportive family, DELETED THEIR CHANNEL and was ARRESTED-I can give Omnia a pass to get their life back together away from their abuser, Kai. They need another chance for that. Kai absolutely doesn’t. Edit: I refer to Omnia with they/them because that’s what they listed their pronouns as last I checked
@@Force-hiddenmasquerade I don't really know anything about em. That's why I was asking. I am not one to believe that because something bad happens to someone it absolves them of their transgressions. If you didn't agree with their behavior before and didn't support them it makes no sense to support them now out of pity. It's not a factor that would play into my impression of someone. Though it does make it harder since a lot of videos were deleted, but that is all beside the point. I am still going through the rabbit hole of videos to catch up. I just haven't found anything yet that is AS bad as the others mentioned.
Moral(s) of the story: If you don't want drama, don't instigate anything with other creators. Don't involve yourself in what other creators do, no matter how wrong it is. Let it be someone else's problem, not yours.
I feel the whole event leading up to Emily Artful’s video on CSA should be called Dramageddon because it wasn’t just a clusterfuck or a train wreck, it was the Pompeii of drama
The whole story made some TH-camr excuses on their drama actually look possible at times. If they use a Stalker or impersonation excuse at least. It's so insane.
To even go even farther, if it wasn't for Creepshow making a video of strawberry milk, Tobi wouldn't have been called out for her stances of r34 art of minor characters in that video and the one with her dead dog. Even though it Tobi unintentionally created drama, it all began and ended with Shannon
Thing is... there's already an event called Dramageddon. And it got a sequel. Both were from the Makeup Guru community. :') Adding 'Commentary Edition' could help, perhaps? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've done DBT (Dialectic Behavioural Therapy) which was made for treating and helping people with BPD. Not only is it a lot of work because you're fundamentally rewiring and restructuring your very self as a person, but it's exhausting to do. It takes years of working through DBT to recover from BPD As a Cluster B Disorder (same grouping as Schizophrenia, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Sociopathy, Psychopathy, etc) it gets a huge stigma socially as "one of the bad ones", full of "the difficult people". All because (at least for BPD) they were traumatised very early on and grew up in an environment that stunted their ability to properly develop into the typical adult model we see. It's hard enough trying to educate people on what BPD actually is, and it's very common for people with it to get talked over while trying to explain their lived experiences in recovery because of how stigmatised it is From the actions I've seen in these recaps of the Tobi Drama, it looks very much like someone having a BPD Spiral and getting consistently provoked. Funny thing though, if everybody had left them alone and ignored the Spiral Tobi was having, they would have come out the other side a few days/weeks later and gone "oh damn, I fucked up there, let me address that" and been able to move on. But because they kept being provoked by others it lead to them feeling the need to double down on their position, thereby escalating it and making it worse Does Tobi need help psychologically? Yeah, probably, so does the majority of the world's population and people with Borderline especially. Was Tobi treated in a very Ableist manner during this whole affair? Definitely and it's incredibly poor taste of how people acted to intentionally provoke them to continue propagating the whole thing
I will to admit having a loved one with the same name and disorder it's hard to watch these people just shit on someone who was obviously spiraling and needed help
@@darksonicyt5430 The worst part is that the part with me has been done since January, so this was a fuck up that stewed. I think I'll live with this one, but having a video posted just yesterday where I do the SAME fuck up, I'm mostly just pissed off at myself above all else.
To think such silly drama, was what put into motion the explosion of actual monsters like CSA, and literally clean up the community, is so poetic. If it wasn't for Tobi, people like Jar would be able to speak his truth, and this is a little beautiful tbh
To Summarize this: One, forgive people that does stupid things, especially when they tried to stop/improve on that. Two, actually look at both sides and comes to your own conclusion on which makes more sense. Three, if someone is being accused of literally anything bad, ask for some evidence instead of believing without proof even if the person themselves are generally honest. Four, don't be a backstabbing traitor because you don't like being in a "loosing team". (The first three are mostly aimed at the audience, because they are as much to blame as the youtubers in question here, though it is also applicable to them too. The last one is obviously towards Junkie because, I personally can never trust a traitor once they pulled a stunt like that more times than not.)
@@renmcmanus Regardless, that's literally what happened when it comes to people believing Prison mate Luke and CreepshowArt. That's why I made my point by saying the audience that fall for it is as much to blame as those who spread it. Because when these accusations have no real weight and people fall for it, I personally hate the people more than the person saying stupid things like this. Because if this was a nice and logical world, this drama wouldn't have last and it would've been done within two weeks and it will all be forgotten easily.
@@DangerDan64 Agreed but one problem with that. Alot people looking for clout and bring back drama to say lie with no proof and then blame at someone.. Idk but this my opinion, alot people arent like this, back them everyone respect one another and try there best to help and solve the problem of any drama but sadly when pandemic hit, everyone change for worst and alot youtuber that are new show it cant be trusted. And the sad part, when u call someone out because what they done, they say crazy sht. (Sorry about my sentences im bad at explaining people but what i try to say i agreed with u. When drama is around and someone mention ur name got ask evidence because alot people believe in heart but some got see on paper
"omnia has proven that she can handle the heat and knows when to back off" dolliguts, harley, and hopeless peaches would probably disagree but _sure_ edit: also they cab try and say jar has no right to call kai a racist, but I as an entirely black woman can confidently say it's racist as hell to call a biracial woman "white" and attempt to invalidate her due to that. so yeah.
the thing I hate about Kai, he thinks he speaks for all black people (least from what i've seen, correct me if i'm wrong). When, nobody does. Every individual goes through life differently. I'm not saying there aren't racial issues here in America, there definitely are, but Kai tries to tell people how they should act based on their skin color. Which is racist in my opinion. In my opinion, one should speak for themselves but also try to stand up for justice, not just tell all people of a certain race how to act. I wish more people listened to that amazing Morgan Freeman interview and just stopped calling each other colors. Like, it's ok to have pride in who you are, but not to the extent where your whole identity is based on the color of your skin.
It's funny how Junkie gave people like JAR, Mangakamen, Hopeless Peaches, and others the least charitable interpretations while romanticizing the likes of Omnia, Kai, Thumin, and PML as good, honest people.
I remember when metokur turned doodletones into a joke.... Cause they made a video on him for his deviant art series when they got to diaper furs....Cause they are one.
@@Dr.Gold-Dry-Bowser Yup, I can't unsee it lol. The video is : Hugbox Chronicles Episode 7 The Tism Storm You can find mirrors of it on youtube...It's quite the watch still.
The Tobi Drama should teach people something... People will make a big deal out of anything just to bitch about something that is none of their business...
Its basically if pure OCD was a human being, they basically see something out of context or something so minor and can easily brush off by overthinking over over over over and over again by turning this situation from 0 to 100
@@ChiefMedicPururu Looking back on his Pentagrin video, it’s ironic he did the same thing as her. Run away from controversy without explaining anything to his mutuals and fans, showing he can’t own up to your actions.
@@molinagrn65 Even sadder is that most of people at falt are copying pentagrin at this point. Omnia idk, Thumin was out of ignorence but at least she isn't a baby that ran away too.
I remember once how I was mad that someone got their art featured in a video that I thought was bad, so I commented saying that the art looked bad. Of course I got shit for it and I apologized and explained that I said it out of frustration because I wanted my art to get featured. People were surprised that I accepted that my reaction was mean and owned up to my mistake. I talked to the video maker and got my art featured in a later video But let me tell you, it hurt to admit my fault-even though it was all in writing and not say, a video. But then it felt better to explain why I felt angry enough to comment that and to own up to that mistake and people accepting that apology. Basically, people will come to understand you if you own up to it and explain why you did the things you did. They may not forgive you, but they will recognize that you put your pride aside to apologize to those you hurt.
50:54 I’m with you. Many artists are sick of minors online. Many even get minors when they tagged them to hell and back. Some even dropping and changing accounts because they keep coming back. And is a fault of social media not the artist. Or what? Adults can’t talk adult things cause a dumb kid’s dad isn’t monitoring their kids? Heck junkie made a video of a zoophile. How is that for kids?
Exactly. There is no "adults only" spaces online, at all, its literally impossible for anyone to ensure that children will never see their content. It doesn't help that children will actively seek out content they're not supposed to see simply *because* its stuff they know they aren't supposed to see. It's a catch 22 for artists. Either never make nsfw art at all, or keep it on sites children "can't" be on....but children are still on those sites anyway so just never make adult content ever? I mean I get don't make it "easy" for children or market it for kids or actively promote it in front of children, but there is a limit to what people can do beyond simply making the entire world (online and offline) child-centric and censored for children's sensibilities. There will always be a risk that children will either seek out or come across that media, no matter what people do. In the end it comes down to supervision by parents, maybe a reevaluation of children's access to technology at super early ages, and a shakeup of social media so that it doesn't overly focus on youth engagement and encourage teens and under to be on their platforms, especially any that may have a solid adult base. (Part of the reason why children are so targeted is they are the age group that spends the most hours per day on social media, being as they don't have jobs or other responsibilities that would keep them from their devices, and thus interacting and being exposed to the most ads, so they are basically an ad revenue gold mine for social media.)
@@mercy5004 I feel we can’t go and demonize nsfw artists. They do what they can’t. They don’t (most of them) encourage minors to see their content and only do it for other adults in fandoms. I hate having to “think of the children” when a 8 year old shouldn’t have Instagram where assholes fake their bodies are “natural” and encourage fashion that makes swimsuits seem like nun clothing and even bbl or breast implants. I think is the parents fault and creators like mr dragon here have no idea how egoistic they are. Hell he made a video talking or a zoophile. So in his own twisted mind he showed minors a guy who was fine with animal abuse.
1:01:36 THANK YOU. This is something that needs to be said! And as an Autistic person myself, I’ve seen even so-called “activists” of the type who use terms like “neurodiverse” use this all the time and it’s all so hypocritical. But while this is barely relevant, wow I remember watching Bentheloony as a kid. I did not expect the guy to be a NSFW artist now. Much less one that drew goddamn shota.
JAR’s yell of nooooooooo was pretty funny to me because of how it reminds me of another character yelling nooooooo like that but for JAR to do it because of DOODLE TONES makes it funnier especially saying “oh hey jar”
ALSO: on the topic of "drawn child porn", drawing a real child or a representation of the real child (like a fursona, or a persona of some kind) is child porn in the US (the latter only if you can prove both that it was the childs persona and that the artist intended on drawing the childs persona) at least from my understanding of US law. same goes for written material. if it involves a real child, even if its drawn, it is child porn due to a real child being depicted. (again, as from my understanding from a US gov website, as someone who is not a lawyer.)
Actual on topic comment, this entire drama is one hell of a rabbit whole. Tbh you could make an iceberg from this lmao. I really liked this whole retrospective!! And its nice to see you talk about videos that weren't touched on much originally. But damn Junkie.. get your shit together bro
I was surprised to see you & doodletones doing a Collab given how you two tore each other apart before but I'm glad to see you both moving on and working together for any reason let alone putting our favorite Kool aid lizard in his place
Realize that one thing that bothered me about this junkie and phantoms video aside from what's being discussed, is how they present their screenshot and evidence. It's placed on a small screen and framed so awkwardly that you can't read the text well. really makes us as a viewer have to trust their word and that what they present up is true edit: rewatching this I realize something else too. Junkie and phantom lambast Peaches for doing grammer edits on the script and supposedly influencing. But Phantom at the beginning- also sounded like they were almost doing the same but calling to question junkie's and madlibs points while being an editor for their script.
I am SO glad I'm not alone on that JAR and I were swearing under our breaths every time Junkie threw a wall of text at us in the screenshot, not helped by the filter he also puts over everything.
Honestly, looking back on this drama, good lord it was a Train wreak you can't even look away, while the Train is on fire. Honestly, I use to be a Fan of Kai And Prison Mate Luke (regretted that choice) like a Moth to a flame. But now, I learned my bad choices and moved on.
I'm a little drunk right now (Happy Easter everyone!), but I'm so glad Doodles brought up the whole "Tobi doesn't take her BPD seriously". Like... What the FUCK does that even mean???? What do you mean she doesn't take her disorder "seriously?" How is she supposed to take it "seriously?" Like I have ADHD, I'd LOVE to know how one takes ADHD "seriously" when they've never had to LIVE with such a disorder. No, I mean it, please explain that to me... Like... I get Tobi did a lot of hypocritical things and lashed out and did weird shit, but this drama did blow way out of proportion than it ever needed to. Junkie's vid was pretty bias with hindsight. Especially, given his record for commenting on drama long after it's over with. Edit: I'm still drunk, but oh my god the amount of times I have verbally said, "Shut the fuck up" during Junkie and his editor's commentary is mindboggling. Like this video was CLEARLY bias as fuck cause Junkie really thought that he was on the side of the "winners". Also the PML comments have me laughing so hard right now. Ah, the gift of hindsight... Edit Edit: Okay I'm sober now lmao However, I still stand by most of my drunk ramblings (outside of verbally yelling "Shut the fuck up!" every time Junkie and his Editor said something stupid lol). In terms of Tobi's BPD, I really wish people would stop using "Your [insert mental health issue/disability here] isn't an excuse!" as a form of critique. Especially, when 90% of the time it's usually used when someone is trying to EXPLAIN what their disorder/illness even is, and use that explanation as a means of explaining why they may have reacted the way they did. In the case of Tobi, I really think the critique SHOULD have been, "Tobi doesn't seem to know how to manage her BPD very well, and should seek professional help so she can develop coping mechanisms to help her navigate these issues that cause her to blow up/react in such a negative way," rather than say she "Doesn't take her BPD seriously." Really, that whole segment came off as neurotypicals, once again, not knowing how disorders/mental illnesses work. As for Junkie's video as a whole, idk why, but it just comes off as very scummy and exploitative now, thanks to hindsight. It was clearly bias, from the double standards, to the constant bashing of individuals (like Peaches), to admitting to backstabbing MangaKamen simply because Junkie thought MK was lying. There was nothing neutral about this, and more like rubbing proverbial truckloads of salt into open wounds. It was just... very disappointing.
I never understood when they said she apologized on behalf of Shane. When she literally was just crying in pure insanity on a video like most of the young TH-camrs who didn’t know he was a racist, sexist, maybe pedo person. Is like they forgot.
Isn't it funny how the main people going around labeling things as "biased" are the most biased motherfkrs out there💀 I swear these people are just using their platforms to project
i swear people on this platform need to know that explaining why you did something ≠ excusing your actions every single time when it comes to mental health.
This Co Op was something pretty special. Old adversaries coming together, to get the final blow on an even worse foe. Kind of heart warming, if you are a veteran subscriber (like myself).
@@blastortoise After the menagerie of stupidity that was the Tobi/Peaches/Kai Dramas, this is a nice cake layer for the icing and cherry that is to come by this mystery commentator down the line.
What Emily went through still upsets me. That girl worked her ass off to do better and Shannon had to try to ruin that. Over nothing. Edit 3 weeks later: Just realized something. Everyone points out that people supporting Tobi kept joining in on the drama when they shouldn't, yet they never point out the ones who supported Kai and Omnia. PML and CSA joined in on the drama, and that was okay. JAR, Peaches, and others against Kai and Omnia? Oh no, that's bad! It's reviving the drama! It's getting into something you shouldn't! Edit 1 month later: Why is it that Harsh, who is half black, can't say something like racism is a can of worms? But black people are allowed to go on and on about racist shit? Is it because she is half white? If so, that's not right, because she also deals with racism. And she wasn't wrong, it is a can of worms. Edit 3 months later: Junkie actually told me he and Libs were going to do the collab…
This drama was such a mess (let’s hope this never happens again); also glad this video tries to explain about all that went down (because it was the most confusing drama like no one knew what was going on until the truth about what creepshow was doing came out)
I would like to say thank you to Doodles for bringing up her point at 1:05:17. One of the big issues I had with Junkie's video was the ableism. It was mostly the stuff with how Peaches mental health crisis was handled, but there were things that I missed like Raven's comment on Tobi's BPD, I'd even argue the not getting social ques insult was kinda ableist to an extent, even if it wasn't on purpose. You're not an SJW (Not gonna lie that term has lost all meaning to me since 2017 but I get why you'd be worried about being branded as one) for rightfully pointing it out.
I *hate* when people say you can't have an opinion on things if you're not the correct race. Ummm? Actually, I can talk about whatever I want. I understand what it's like to be mistreated, to face oppression, and to deal with injustice.
Raven is also being a massive hypocrite here, validating Kai saying Harsh is white when she's still half black (she definitely experiences racism) while saying JAR needs to keep his opinion to himself. She's validating verbal abuse towards a black woman by a black man and saying "uwu I'm Asian I can do this". No Raven. That's not how it works.
Fr, being a POC does give you more insight and experience but just because you aren't a POC doesn't mean you arent allowed to speak its a good idea to hear opinions from POC and also to ask them things but even if youre white you can still have insightful things to say
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that Kai and Omnia were treated with kiddie gloves this whole drama? Like you couldn’t critique them, and when you did, you had to give a million disclaimers. (By you I mean Junkie and Raven)
Yeeeep. This whole video definitely had me thinking 'wow, how do their boots taste you guys?' I'm assuming they thought they were coming down on the 'winning' side. I still think Omnia got insanely lucky about the Creepshow stuff coming out because more eyes were fixated that way instead of on them
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR it's sad that you couldn't resolve this in private, at least here in my beautiful third world country drama doesn't last long since everybody tends to end it beating each other to a pulp
1:40:00 and yet people never call out thumin cause… yeah. People don’t be afraid to hate people based on their actions. You can hate. Hate can be equal. You can hate someone if they’re assholes even if they are trans, gay, poc or anything else. Being from a minority doesn’t mean people can’t hate you. Thinking poc can’t do no harm is bad cause you’re diminishing their individuality based on their race and for lgbtq+ cause of their gender preference or sexual orientation. It makes you look worse. In my eyes at least
Yeah I guess that depends on how you spin things, because thumin and junkie did that to portray them as "hurr durr racists" then they really weren't. Which does throw more clout on them, because they are misrepresenting jar's, mangakamen's and others arguments.
@@justinambru8529 Yeah. Mangakamen was actually smart to ignore the drama. He was trying to step away. He was friend of peaches so anything he said would’ve been taken badly. Even more you can see he wants out of this community. I like thumin art but this situation really soured her content for me. And the fact she, Omnia and Kai got the least of it was very anger inducing. Peaches wasn’t bigger than Omnia and for someone who claimed to be so smart to just let peaches get dead threats but not caring and the apology being so meh makes me really think she wasn’t wrong for not accepting her apology. Was she supposed to take a half baked apology just cause she claimed to not know better when is shown she didn’t even watched the video she supported? No. Omnia seemed so abusive and vindictive. What happened with Kai is bad but I won’t go and just forget what she did cause of that.
1:44:00 Ah, yes. This segment of Junkie's vid. The funny thing is, I didn't really pay too much to this segment at the time. Not because I zoned out after BS was thrown in my face, but because I was watching the live chat as this video was premiering. And I got to witness Dulu as well as Junkie chanting "Just a Robot is Just a Racist." Which just confirmed to me where Junkie stood in all of this (aside from stanning PML). It's funny how he says he waits for a drama to conclude to step in, yet he jumped the gun and it shot him before he even landed. Edit: Alright, I just listened to this segment again, and the patronizing tone Phantom takes while talking down to JAR is striking a chord for me. Maybe it's just me and some of the past experience I had where people did that to me because I told them I had autism, but it does kinda feel like she's being ableist toward JAR here. To clarify, I'm not saying she *is* ableist, just that it feels that way to me. Did she use the same tone toward anyone else?
I’ve never understood why people in the community seem to really dislike JAR. I’ve veen subscribed to JAR for years now. It feels like every video where someone talks about him, they always has to say “I disagree with JAR” after they tell us he said something they agree with. Which is the videos where he talks. When JAR has made an oopsie, he does try his best at conveying why he thought that was okay, BUT he also aknowledges that it’s wrong. Most of the time it was a joke, and he doesn’t joke like that (at least on video) moving forwards. But peoole still bring it up to this day. It seems like JAR is supposed to be defending himself all the time, and while he has SHOWN us that he can reflect, and try to understand why it’s an oopsie so it doesn’t happen again? No one else can? The peoole that watch this community has seen it time and time again… Idk… just some thought
Ngl, JAR is kind of a dick. No hate but he is. But at least I know he is, he isn't pretending to be some sugar sweet person while skinning puppies behind the scenes.
Devils Advocate to the extreme. This is something I found out with my "friend" in rl who even claimed "if a female agrees with you, somethings wrong" when its not true. Theres some people who flat out are also hypocrits.
Never thought I’d see the day where J.A.R. and Doodletones are doing a video together. Really goes to show how these two have grown over the years. First they were mortal enemies (at least that’s how I saw it) and now....here we are.
The Tobi drama is just going to be one of those moments that will be immortalize in history books so future generations hopefully not repeat these mistakes. It amazes me that those who stood on a soap box and preach the loudest just to be "on the winning side," then to be called put and their own skeletons and lies get brought into the light; They either disappear so they won't accept their mistakes or just deflect. Really showing the flaws of control and pride. I do agree that this shouldn't have blown up like it should have but Kai, PML and Creepshow thrive on control and their own vanity that once their flaws were exposed and no way to clear their name... they broke and rather than accept their flaws they turn tell and ran or worse deflect because to them it's more about winning an arguement or validating their warped morals. Junkie falls into the same pack as Kai, Luke and Shannon because for him it was to stand on that right side of history and being a moral authority while doing some very shady things just to make himself look good. His Tobi video was just to make him look good like the morally right one and it really shows when exusing Kai and Omnia's wrong doing but condemning everyone else for either criticizing them or being at the wrong place at the wrong time to make a post/tweet. It further build up hate against the like of Peaches, JAR and many others and plugging in the nonsensical SJW crap that Kai and Shannon thrive off of while failling to practice what they preach. Junkie was a Creepshow simp who threw is own friends under the bus just so he could kiss her big toe. Hell will be very very cold for him, more so since he is a dragon and dragon is weak to ice. Again very amazing video and looking forward to seeing if you continue this as a series. Intrested if you'll cover Spoctor next.
39:16 God, this little segment reminded me how much I hate Omnia. I forgot how obnoxious they could sound, like holy fuck, people are 100% allowed to talk about a situation once public.
I hate to have confirmation bias but I never really like Omnia, not Thumin but that's beside the point (I think, this debacle is such a mess, it's hard to keep up, and had so many gray areas) But they both were confidently ignorant and not willing to admit fault or doubt, not willing to play devil’s advocate or attempt to view the other side and dig their heels in. Either that or that's the impression I'm getting from them. I wanted to like them, really did, but they said so much stuff that I disagreed with so much I just didn't get much of a good feeling as to who they are.
@JustACommenter Yeah, I mean... That sounded so bitchy. "If you don't wanna end up like your _little friend_ here" that was so... unbelievably stupif to say. Even if you are in the right, saying this kind of shit won't make you in right, it will only make you look worse and unreasonably bitchy. God, again, how did no one called them out for this?
@@stellarkirbo I felt like Thumin was way too harsh on JAR and others, while she downplayed Omnia and Kai's actions as "defense", and discussed racism in a situation where it was a small factor. I always got the vibe she putted them in a pedestal and refused to acknowledge their wrong doings properly (she just brushed it off as actions they already apologized, when in reality they didn't).
This was really well done video. I really like the banter between jar and doodles. Honestly didn't realize how long video was tell I finished. Good stuff u 2
I definitely see TRO making the Tobi video. Makes drama videos long after the drama ended, doesn't upload very often, makes incredibly long videos that gets a lot of attention, etc. Dude fits the bill.
I agree with your editor's comment about ableism, Doodle. Also, this is probably my Autism speaking, but I genuinely like how your voice sounds like a Mii from Tomodachi Life.
As someone who didn't start watching drama videos until after a few months into the Peaches drama (a follower of her channel who wasn't aware of why she went on hiatus for so long during that time until you put out your first video about it JAR) this really shows the scope of the Tobi drama for me. Until now I always heard about the Tobi drama in passing in other videos as only being something that was just between Tobi, and Shannon that got blown out of proportion, but I wasn't aware of how many more people there was involved, and how bad it got, so much so it led to a domino effect that ended with Shannon's fall. Really appreciate this video it was enlightening.
Hey JAR! I watch all of your videos, even though I know nothing about the drama. You're just very entertaining! Even if I'm not super into drama, you're like..the only TH-camr of your type that I enjoy. Keep it up! 🎉
I almost dipped my toes into being a commentator-type person... and then I watched this whole thing happen and I thought, maybe no. You're an awesome dude Robot, keep making videos.
Man, I love this retrospectives, I wasn't into this drama (or the commentary community in general) for the most part, so getting a long video like this is really entertaining and informative. Thanks, man.
I thought Ace Attorney couldn’t happen in ‘real life’ until this absolute train wreck of a saga rivaling Fast and the Furious in length. Yeah, it’s on TH-cam, and not in a courtroom, but it might as well be. The burning one, with people randomly bursting in at insane times, all weapons drawn.
Everytime I watch one of these videos, I realize time & time again that... *I don't pay enough attention to anything lmao.* A little rant about _Thumin_ since this video helped my own realization I recently had about her: Just like Kai, she also tends to talk about race a lot in her content & on Twitter. Now as a black person myself (BIPOC) it's completely fine for her to talk about the rac!st hate she gets (& I really do hope it stops because obviously that's vile as fck), but in her most recent video talking about some Gacha creator sending her rac!st hate, she pretty much literally said if that person actually ended up taking their own life due to them getting harassed for what they did, that she *doesn't even care.* That comment didn't sit well with me. I don't condone that Gacha creator's actions of course, but saying that you don't even care if they -k!ll- themselves after what they've done to you is...a bit too far in my opinion. Plus that creator seems like they could a literal child (judging from how their content looks but ofc I could be very wrong), & uhhh telling possibly A CHILD to go ahead & off themselves is noooooot a good look. Again as a BIPOC dealing with people treating you like garbage solely because of your race on a daily basis is horrendous, & it seems like something she deals with a lot (like Kai I assume since he brings it up every 0.02 secs) & I feel horrible for her as someone who hasn't dealt with that much racial hatred growing up, but since she's expressed in every drama video to not send harassment to anyone, being even slightly okay with someone offing themselves because they harassed you & is now receiving harassment (& they just seem like a mere troll who wants attention anyway) isn't great to me. But in the eyes of Twitter or the world of SJWs, maybe that's seen as a "hot take" or something, idk. Sorry this comment was so long, I had a lot to say lol. I hope I made my point clear enough though. *Also let me know when that long Tobi video drops, my guy.*
Wait that happened, WTF. I'm BIPOC myself; and that wrong. Thumin shouldn't be receiving racist attacks, but the kid shouldn't have killed himself either.
Wait, did Thumin say she didn't care if the kid went through with it or did she encourage it? Because I personally don't think she's obligated to care about the well-being of a troll
Honestly I don’t like Akumu but I kinda did agree with his views on Kai. He is racist towards white people so while I don’t like Akumu (I don’t like anybody who intentionally starts drama that’s not cool) I can at least respect him for pointing out the double standard. So many people still believe that black people cant be racist especially towards white people and that will only cause more division between the races. So moral of the story I guess… just because someone may be a bad person does not mean everything they say is wrong. Sometimes they can be right and it’s ok to agree with them when they are. (And I’m not defending or saying I like akumu I only saw his Kai videos and that’s it. I’m not a fan of his trust me.)
You don't like me, and that's fine. You're respectable. You don't like me and don't wanna agree with me, but admit the double standard. If only the rest of the Art CC and SCC could do so. 💀 I don't entirely understand what you mean by me starting drama though, I just made fun of him on Twitter and his stream. 😳
@@akumu9301 hey Akumu thanks for being respectful I’m still very young and new to the internet ( I just got this account on my birthday) so I appreciate your respect even if we disagree thanks ❤️
I really do hope this video does take for granted. I can see how much effort you did in this video, and I'm actually very proud of you guys. Hopefully, this goes well. And to those people that've caused this chaos, need to think and do research before you could make a video and point fingers at someone. So far. I think you did great! Keep on doing what you're doing! And always march forward! : D
Personally, when it comes to your channel, I came for the show reviews and stayed for the drama videos. I'm grateful for the recap because I don't know much about YT drama or the people who got involved, it's just fun to listen to while I work.
1:11:33 That was a pretty messed up thing to say. It's not "just a dog". It may not be her dead mother, but it's still a life lost, a life of an animal who a human was very close with and tightly bonded with for years of their own life. To say the life of an animal didn't matter just because they weren't human is still insensitive and will only cause further backlash. Yeah, he was her dog, but it's still not the time or place to talk about personal drama in a video where you're celebrating the life of an animal that you were close with on a personal and emotional level.
Obligatory "huh, JAR and Doodle, eh?" comment aside, this is pretty sound response. And if i have any idea about channels that make infrequent, nuke-drop videos.... This is gonna get interesting, i have a couple in mind and they're all rather thorough. I'm getting kinda hyped lol
Sometimes people click on a video about drama TO find out what's going on, because they don't follow all the creators involved or even if they do they don't follow them on every platform and are therefor going to always be some level of out of the loop.
I know this is old, but that’s exactly my thoughts! I just have no time to spend on the internet all the time or anyone does. Well, except people who wants some attention.
I do remember seeing that video from Junkie, and didn't really knew what to think of it. There was just too much to take in. Though from the moment I noticed the video was gone from his channel, I did have a feeling something was off. But just looking back on it and with the tone he used towards his targets, it really did felt like Junkie had shown his true colors in that video, especially after seeing the other video of his VC with MangaKamen. It's no wonder he's been outed for being deceitful.
Junkie kinda had the misfortune of joining a new circle of creators who he of course tries to appeal to. Sadly he ended up giving them too much trust while seeing the worst interpretations in others. Don't get me wrong, I still think the Tobi video was a mess from an argumentative point, but Junkies video was a watered down version of what most people already said, throwing peaches into a tank full of sharks despite being given full context and as said before full of interpretations of someone's intentions based on who the person sided with Edit: to be fair I also have issues with this video but those come mostly from things that lie in the eyes of the beholder. For example: You saw Omnia "leaking tobis private story" after she said she cut context. I see Omnia being like "Fine, here is the full uncut context to keep my credibility" Or the point of peaches claiming to know omnia well enough to tell when she's honest or not when apologizing. No, jar peaches didn't immediately stop when omnia said no (thumins video showed the back and forth). Like, I think peaches is awesome but it takes a lot to knowing for sure when someone you never met is sorry or not. There is a difference of knowing someone ans knowing someone PERSONALLY
I mean it’s kinda a perception thing. Some people are easy to read when they are genuine or not, and some people overestimate how well they can tell when someone is being genuine or not. Peaches could well have know them well enough to gage their genuine ness, or could alternately have had a false impression of being able to do so. It’s hard to say because we don’t know any of them really.
Junkie's Tobi video, this is the first time I saw more than the Nezziemonster section(It was really the only part I was curious about at the time). Shortly after that video came out, I unsubbed from him. On another note: I remember finding both you and Doodletones(Among others like Mangakamen) a long while ago, probably in the same time range of me checking out various Pokemon commentaries. I didn't see your commentary on that subject until a bit later.
In the past, I was a fan of Junkie's content and thought of him as a cool and reasonable guy. But then I noticed his behavior during the Tobi and Hopeless Peaches drama and started to distance myself from his channel, especially after that horrendous Tobi video. And any respect I once had for the guy went out the window after seeing what happened to Fish Lizard. So once both your and Hiten's videos on Junkie had came out, I was not shocked by his actions behind the scenes. In regards of the Tobi drama, I'm just tired of people acting like it shouldn't be discussed at all and that it was a situation where Omnia and Kai were ganged up upon by the community. Firstly, this situation has caused so many future dramas and affected so many commentary channels that I feel that it should be discussed to understand how we got to this point. And secondly, the majority of the commentary community backed both Omnia and Kai during the Tobi drama and anyone that even slightly criticized them faced harsh backlash. So these arguments feel less like avoiding a touchy subject and more like shutting down any potential discussions that could challenge the narrative presented by the "winners".
I still can't find the resolve to even use the word "winners" to describe them. It's kinda like watching a few guys cheat on an exam together and yet they still passed despite the other students in the room pointing it all out.
@@ReddGier Well think of it like this. They might have technically won the battle but the war didn't really stop. And in the end, they are now having their behavior and actions over the past year and a half called into question. So the silver lining is that something is being done NOW rather than not at all.
Long story short: This has been the most extended cut of a drama I’ve ever seen. Fun to watch in retrospect, but we would certainly hesitate to say we want it again lol
ive actually watched junkie's entire video on his "retrospective" of the whole tobi drama and well, now looking at his behavior and now seeing some of the shit he's done, now i see the video his did as a total bias take and i would be lying if i said it didnt have the smell of bias from the get go even before all the shit about junkie came out, yeah it was totally bias and he seems like the kind of person who would picked the winning side but now has miserably lost in the long run, im sure he's seething at that and awaiting his apology video EDIT: ok so upon finishing your video jar, i am quite disgusted i didnt notice some of the things he pulled in your video here with doodles primarily because he was joining in during the middle of the peaches drama that we all watched just after tobi and this much i can say, i am shocked i didnt pick up on it earlier because i was seeing this shit fly during the tobi drama
Honestly I didn't know how bad the drama was until now ESPECIALLY how bad it was on you. I was in and out when it came to the Peaches drama and even having half-informed and regrettable opinions because I honestly had no fucking clue what was going on. After all that shit I uninstalled twitter honestly. It's the cesspool for the most disgusting individuals and they stretch any small argument into some kind of crime.
I think that's just most people who have a life outside of the internet. People make mistakes and have ill-informed opinions because, honestly, they have more important things going on. I don't know, I feel like a lot of the people who chose a side probably did so not out of hate, but out of, I'm just willing to accept this person did wrong, I care but not really all that much. Minus the crazy people who bought into everything that was being said. Then they saw the one's making the accusations get in trouble and were like, I'm just willing to accept this person did wrong, I care but not really all that much. Not really apathy, but more like there's more important things to worry about than internet drama. But that's just me, I had misinformed opinions too during all this. Maybe I'm just a old fart :P
I really enjoy your collaboration with Doodles. Kinda wished you guys interacted a little more, like you did when you two shout "Where?!" together Great video!
It’s good to see JAR and Doodle collabing on a video. Also, thank you for re-capping. The context actually helped when understanding the points you guys made. I kind of think everyone should just cool off and move on from the drama.
Damn watching all this feels like I'm in history class the commentary Community really does sound like a war between nations carefully calculating each attack... it's kind of scary
I wouldn't be that dramatic, it just sound like the friend groups from high school are going at it. The whole thing amounts to high school drama from people who never left that high school mentality and I say this as someone who's at least self aware of her own stunted social and emotional development.
I love listening to you while I am at work you definitely help me get though the day also loved that you put Star Wolfs theme from Star Fox Assault in your video
Dear lord. If you turned them repeating themselves over and over into a drinking game you'd get alcohol poisoning. This was exhausting listening to as someone who had little idea as to what was going on coming into the video. Even with all the skipping and speeding up, those two really loved to just shove the same "point" down your throat over and over. Nice video, JAR. You guys covered it well and pointed out their hypocrisies very nicely. The CC is a mess, isn't it? What a ride lol
1:19:51 I get her cause Omnia and Kai would say sorry but briefly and then batch on her head. Which ya know anyone would find disingenuous. Is like being told “sorry I harmed you but again you’re not the best person cause x and y”.
This drama is like a fictional war movie! And I want something like that to be made... The hatred, the betrayal, the hopelessness, the miracles, the crazy events, the hope, the turn table, and the death and destruction... (I will keep this in my parody version of this drama.)
@@MrGamernova Yeah... But here's the thing! JAR and Luke are both have the same race and gender. While Kai and Omnia have the same race but different gender. And to make the joke even better, both JAR and Luke should recreate that meme with as close accuracy as possible. Hahaha... Edit: But Kai and Omnia part would be better of as a since in the movie when they lost the war, instead of in the Oscar event.
I'm sorry you went through all that JAR. People backstabbing you and just being jackasses. I hope you, MangaKamen, Hopeless peaches and the others that suffered through this craziness get the peace and happiness you guys deserve. Yes I know about the Omnia situation too. Won't mention it, but I do hope she's doing better after all the things that happened to her. Great video JAR and interesting to see an ex rival as a collaborator in this. Speaking of the "BoxOvFox tried to get your editor to stop working for you" situation...despite what BoxOvFox did I also kinda respect them since they pretty much outed a bad person. That "editor" in question did very and I mean VERY questionable things. Including making certain women feel uncomfortable, and yes myself included. But there's a video on that somewhere on here. I won't link it because it really has nothing to do with this drama.
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Huh...didn't expect you to respond and actually say his name, but yeah it's whatever. Sometimes crazy drama has to happen for people to show their true colors... To prove that point I don't even need to show evidence. CreepshowArt, Junkie, PrisonMateLuke (though his case is an odd one though since he got big only because he created drama videos, he's like if KeemStar had a son with a 2.0 version lol), and Kai (same case as PrisonMateLuke I think...I could be wrong since I didn't really watch his videos or anything like that before his channel got taken down).
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Sorry it's a week late but the robot voice one is now out th-cam.com/video/rerYnVfVuTc/w-d-xo.html
Damn, I didn't expected an two hour long video. Glad that you done your hard work😎👍🏾
Your robot voice is much better than your normal voice
I like your voice
hello ALSO I DARE YOU TO REVEIW ROBLOX
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There's one thing I learned about this entire mess...
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LEARN TO DANCE!!
Now that's a vibe!
Exactly! Because everyone is maneuvering the floor with two left feet and way off beat. Holy CRAP!
@@bunnybutt5664 Can't get into drama if you're too tired from dancing.
Yo Manga
@@Mangakamen TiME tO DaNCe tHe TaNGlEd ToBI TaNgOOOO!
At the end of all this, my main takeaway is this: When you have massive piles of skeletons in your closet, don't call out someone for accidentally leaving a chicken bone in theirs. What Tobi did looks like nothing compared to the stuff that half of the people calling her out were up to. In that respect, the Tobi drama was a good thing. It took the mask off of tons of unsavory characters.
Almost 400 likes and no comments!!! Not if i have anything to say about it
Indeed, there's some cases where you can always take the good from a bad moment.
What I've learned through the years (mainly by seeing drama like this unfold in various ways), is that people who start calling someone out on their bad actions, usually do the same if not even worse actions.
Congratulations JAR, you've beaten the drama again!
But you need to collect ALL the Crystals to get the true ending.
That will take 100 hours? I'll get it done in a week.
Shit, hate when that happens
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR your Peaches is in another castle! /j
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Well too bad you need to do so or your not an mlg Epic gamer XD
To those of you who'll say JAR's "reviving" the drama, this video is nothing more than a retrospective on a video related to it. We've all moved on by now, but it's fine to take a look back on a flawed video such as this.
@@muke6239 umm actually i think your talking about the hopeless peaches drama
@@muke6239 the problem is that the biggest people who want him to “stop reviving” the drama are the ones who lied about him
@@muke6239 but that doesn't mean he can't look back on it. Those videos was evolved with the Peaches Drama
@@catendway4754 That too. Exactly.
Considering how this drama almost destroyed his channel he's allowed to milk it lol
When this was being made I remember phantom asking me in dms if I would be interested for an interview on my small very laughable addition to that situation. I turned it down and said I'd actually appreciate if they just didn't include me in their video. Amazingly they added me in anyways and claimed me as a super best friend of tobis (despite me saying multiple times i wasnt) Needlessly to say I was not very happy.
SIMP
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR 😞😩
A little odd considering your stream. 💀 You refused to provide an opinion on the situation, despite literally criticizing someone for the same thing in a previous video, and then lost your shit. 💀 The rest of your fuck club is far more brain dead though.
I don’t blame you that’s fucking shitty of them
Doodletones arriving to help JAR with his argument... True character development
this was BY FAR the most convoluted and hard to follow drama I've EVER heard of.
I agreey.
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Yea
It’s like a drunk point and click.
So much information needed for later and so much inventory in the form of testimonies.
man i have really hard ADHD i tried to watch this video like 5 times but goddamn i think im gonna die
absolutely. the creepshow and tobi dramas are both of the most convoluted dramas i have ever seen. hard agree.
I still defend JAR from the beginning of this whole thing to the end. Worth it. This video is actually a great cap on these whole situations. Great work, JAR!
Same
This specific robot is a special one! Majority of his enemies got destroyed in the end, he's the true definition of 'the right side of history!'
Three giant drama, (as far as I know.) He got involved with, and he survived it all like a true war veteran! And all he's baby robot chips will learn valuable lesson of why meaty people are stupid compared to metallic people.
So the moral of the story: Always side with JAR!!! If he got slandered again, always side with him, no matter what! Because all in he's dramas, he always ended up on the top!
(And if this comment soon ended up didn't age well, then I won't leave him because he's a robot, and robot always right!)
Hail Skynet...
@@TrueBuddhaCat You know what, this whole drama is like an awesome plot for a movie or show. Because all this disaster was started because commentary community are shady as a whole.
They'll do anything to make money, even betraying their own buddies like they're just a bunch of objects.
And yeah! I sensed garbage from the culprits behind all this massacres like CreepShowFart, Prison for life Luke, and Kai the racer! Before they expose themselves as a sewer monsters.
And ooohhhh boooiii!!! It's satisfying to see this evil people got a bigger hit than JAR!
Same with me.
I’m gonna be honest, I had a lot of doubts here and there, though I wanted to believe JAR and the others, I couldn’t tell if Kai and the others were lying or not. Now I definitely know, but I feel dumb for having doubts in the first place. Hopefully I can get my head straight on if there’s ever another drama
I've been very tempted to cover the wire-tapping aspect of this, along with Spoctor's goofy response to all of this.
Good video on all this nonsense. There's still idiots out there that need some slapping.
I'm glad to see someone else bring up that stupid video Spoctor made about this mess.
What he said about the person who was angry about Junkie and his lowkey defense of Junkie soured my opinion of him real bad. What's worse is that the person in question actually commented on the video, but Spoct said nothing to them, even though he reads comments.
Who the hell are you to enforce how other people feel about the situations they go through? Who do you think you are?
Haven't wached a video of his since.
@@djdragondrawer9339 What's worse is that he pinned and responded to someone else's comment criticizing him. But when people were telling him to do the same for Hiten, dead silence.
And to be honest, I don't trust anytime Spoctor talks about the wrongdoings of his friends/associates. It leads to him either downplaying their actions, misrepresenting the feelings and actions of those affected, or even both. I understand that Spoctor wants to hear both sides and doesn't want to go too hard towards those he's friendly with. But there's a difference between acting like a neutral party and showcasing personal biases while claiming neutrality.
@@ktvasil472 he has a bias for people he likes too I think. When he made his video about ViperAU vs Moistcritial, he pretty much sided with ViperAU(who he said he watches) and only briefly mentioned what people hated the most about what viper did(when he compared reaction streamers to (cant say because youtube)). Meanwhile for moist, spoctor went on about how he doesnt like his content anymore and wants his old content back. Because this was posted right after moist's response(in which he said he'd stop reacting on stream but clarified that what he was most upset about was viper's comparison), a lot of comments were telling spoctor about the response and that he should include it, as well as anger towards the fact that he brushed over viper's comparison. His response? Radio silence. Lost a lot of respect for him and unsubbed(his God-awful pngtuber video afterwards didn't help)
It's been a while so my memory is fuzzy, so I recommend watching or researching instead of taking my comment as fact.
@IsaacInfernape2000 penguinz0
@IsaacInfernape2000 Mordecai ripoff,,,,?
I still genuinely believe that everything after tobi's video on creepshow would not have happened if she never made it.
call me crazy, but she kicked off a domino effect that just did not stop until everyone involved wound up imploding.
I mean as morbid as it is, this is how wars start. The American Revolution happened because the British taxed us too much without representation. The American Civil War happened because Abraham Lincoln was elected. WW1 was the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2 was because the Treaty of Versailles fucked over Germany and led to the rise of several horrible dictators. Domino effects are horrifying
on the bright side it took out the toxic scum in the community so at the end of the day atleast some good came out of it
I agree. She started off the downfall, she did it well.
Thanks Tobi
I miss Tobi
Too bad tobi is a transphobic piece of trash that could had took out shannon early before she did the peaches drama but threw it away when she made a transphobic slur and tried to defend it by saying it her bpd acting up
I believe that junkie surrounded himself with the wrong crowd of people, he ended up betraying his true friends.
That's basically what happened because MangaKamen actually trusted him and Junkie decided to be a Jackass and break it.
Junkie doesn't care about his true friends. He only give a shit about his public image.
@@Ladiesofthemanyseas Still it makes me wonder, what if he hadn't ben friends with thumin, omnia, harsh opinions and ect.? What might have been.
He would still abandon his friends, if it looks like he will be on the losing side and denounce his ties with JAR, Mangakamen, and the rest
@@justinambru8529 He is only friends with people that have a large number of subscribers. Anyone that can help boost him to the top.
I am glad this drama is finally over. Now that CreepShowArt, Prison Mate Luke, Kai, Omnia, and Junkie lost all their reputations, no one will “revive” the Tobi drama from this point to onward.
All those channels seem dead but omnia's I kinda know what all the others have done now, but what did omnia do to lose her reputation? I just wanna know.
@@PitLordKazzy
while i'm willing to give Omnia a second chance, it shouldn't be swept under the rug that they:
-slandered Hopeless Peaches
-lied about never linking to Prison Mate Luke's video and not being in kahoots with him
-slandered Dollieguts and never actually apologized.
-has a tendency of non-apologies, where they try to justify their misdeeds, through the backdoor
but like i've said: i'm not saying that they can't become a better person. but in order to do that, Omnia needs to accept that they themselves have made mistakes, they can't blame on Kai.
@@Legomicroman It was a genuine question because I can pin point each instance of the others getting cancelled and what for. Thanks.
@@PitLordKazzy tbf I don’t like Omnia’s videos and I didn’t like the shit they pulled, buuuuut the fact that Kai abused them, stole from them, and outed them to their unsupportive family, DELETED THEIR CHANNEL and was ARRESTED-I can give Omnia a pass to get their life back together away from their abuser, Kai.
They need another chance for that. Kai absolutely doesn’t.
Edit: I refer to Omnia with they/them because that’s what they listed their pronouns as last I checked
@@Force-hiddenmasquerade I don't really know anything about em. That's why I was asking.
I am not one to believe that because something bad happens to someone it absolves them of their transgressions. If you didn't agree with their behavior before and didn't support them it makes no sense to support them now out of pity. It's not a factor that would play into my impression of someone. Though it does make it harder since a lot of videos were deleted, but that is all beside the point.
I am still going through the rabbit hole of videos to catch up. I just haven't found anything yet that is AS bad as the others mentioned.
Moral(s) of the story: If you don't want drama, don't instigate anything with other creators. Don't involve yourself in what other creators do, no matter how wrong it is. Let it be someone else's problem, not yours.
Preach.
A lesson we all have to learn indeed and hopefully learn from this mess of a drama indeed
The latter half leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I feel the whole event leading up to Emily Artful’s video on CSA should be called Dramageddon because it wasn’t just a clusterfuck or a train wreck, it was the Pompeii of drama
The whole story made some TH-camr excuses on their drama actually look possible at times.
If they use a Stalker or impersonation excuse at least.
It's so insane.
To even go even farther, if it wasn't for Creepshow making a video of strawberry milk, Tobi wouldn't have been called out for her stances of r34 art of minor characters in that video and the one with her dead dog. Even though it Tobi unintentionally created drama, it all began and ended with Shannon
Thing is... there's already an event called Dramageddon. And it got a sequel. Both were from the Makeup Guru community. :')
Adding 'Commentary Edition' could help, perhaps?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Artmaggedon
@@greenbird6435 Good one! :D
I've done DBT (Dialectic Behavioural Therapy) which was made for treating and helping people with BPD. Not only is it a lot of work because you're fundamentally rewiring and restructuring your very self as a person, but it's exhausting to do. It takes years of working through DBT to recover from BPD
As a Cluster B Disorder (same grouping as Schizophrenia, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Sociopathy, Psychopathy, etc) it gets a huge stigma socially as "one of the bad ones", full of "the difficult people". All because (at least for BPD) they were traumatised very early on and grew up in an environment that stunted their ability to properly develop into the typical adult model we see. It's hard enough trying to educate people on what BPD actually is, and it's very common for people with it to get talked over while trying to explain their lived experiences in recovery because of how stigmatised it is
From the actions I've seen in these recaps of the Tobi Drama, it looks very much like someone having a BPD Spiral and getting consistently provoked. Funny thing though, if everybody had left them alone and ignored the Spiral Tobi was having, they would have come out the other side a few days/weeks later and gone "oh damn, I fucked up there, let me address that" and been able to move on. But because they kept being provoked by others it lead to them feeling the need to double down on their position, thereby escalating it and making it worse
Does Tobi need help psychologically? Yeah, probably, so does the majority of the world's population and people with Borderline especially. Was Tobi treated in a very Ableist manner during this whole affair? Definitely and it's incredibly poor taste of how people acted to intentionally provoke them to continue propagating the whole thing
I will to admit having a loved one with the same name and disorder it's hard to watch these people just shit on someone who was obviously spiraling and needed help
How JAR and Doodle went from rivals in 2016 to Collab in 2022
Talk about a story arc
It's like the DBS Frieza arc where the enemy must become the ally.
@@firebadnofire9768 honestly, yeah
@@NeoVault_ Tournament of Power?
That arc, yes.
I noticed I fucked up Omnia's pronouns again. God damn it.
*Time for a reupload*
@@darksonicyt5430 The worst part is that the part with me has been done since January, so this was a fuck up that stewed.
I think I'll live with this one, but having a video posted just yesterday where I do the SAME fuck up, I'm mostly just pissed off at myself above all else.
@@Doodletones Happens to all of us
Oh no. Now people will never stop using that against you.
You know, you acknowledge that mistake so if someone's using it against you, that comment you make here will be acknowledged as well
To think such silly drama, was what put into motion the explosion of actual monsters like CSA, and literally clean up the community, is so poetic. If it wasn't for Tobi, people like Jar would be able to speak his truth, and this is a little beautiful tbh
To Summarize this:
One, forgive people that does stupid things, especially when they tried to stop/improve on that.
Two, actually look at both sides and comes to your own conclusion on which makes more sense.
Three, if someone is being accused of literally anything bad, ask for some evidence instead of believing without proof even if the person themselves are generally honest.
Four, don't be a backstabbing traitor because you don't like being in a "loosing team".
(The first three are mostly aimed at the audience, because they are as much to blame as the youtubers in question here, though it is also applicable to them too. The last one is obviously towards Junkie because, I personally can never trust a traitor once they pulled a stunt like that more times than not.)
Don’t tell that last one to the Italians, lol.
@@renmcmanus my personal rule is pretty much trust no one on their face when making a claim not that I am a perfect paragon of that rule but I try
@@renmcmanus Regardless, that's literally what happened when it comes to people believing Prison mate Luke and CreepshowArt.
That's why I made my point by saying the audience that fall for it is as much to blame as those who spread it. Because when these accusations have no real weight and people fall for it, I personally hate the people more than the person saying stupid things like this. Because if this was a nice and logical world, this drama wouldn't have last and it would've been done within two weeks and it will all be forgotten easily.
@@DangerDan64 Agreed but one problem with that. Alot people looking for clout and bring back drama to say lie with no proof and then blame at someone.. Idk but this my opinion, alot people arent like this, back them everyone respect one another and try there best to help and solve the problem of any drama but sadly when pandemic hit, everyone change for worst and alot youtuber that are new show it cant be trusted. And the sad part, when u call someone out because what they done, they say crazy sht. (Sorry about my sentences im bad at explaining people but what i try to say i agreed with u. When drama is around and someone mention ur name got ask evidence because alot people believe in heart but some got see on paper
@@renmcmanus "Believe all victims" means "take all allegations seriously" not "take everything at face value"
"omnia has proven that she can handle the heat and knows when to back off"
dolliguts, harley, and hopeless peaches would probably disagree but _sure_
edit: also they cab try and say jar has no right to call kai a racist, but I as an entirely black woman can confidently say it's racist as hell to call a biracial woman "white" and attempt to invalidate her due to that. so yeah.
the thing I hate about Kai, he thinks he speaks for all black people (least from what i've seen, correct me if i'm wrong). When, nobody does. Every individual goes through life differently. I'm not saying there aren't racial issues here in America, there definitely are, but Kai tries to tell people how they should act based on their skin color. Which is racist in my opinion. In my opinion, one should speak for themselves but also try to stand up for justice, not just tell all people of a certain race how to act. I wish more people listened to that amazing Morgan Freeman interview and just stopped calling each other colors. Like, it's ok to have pride in who you are, but not to the extent where your whole identity is based on the color of your skin.
Kai and Omnia are toxic people who platonically and romantically attract other toxic people, no wonder they dated in the first place
toxic is such a understatement :P
Not disagreeing, you're right. But it's more than just "toxic" at this point
I remember having an argument with them on Twitter due to Peaches, and I can prove that... HELL YES, THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN TO BACK OFF
It's funny how Junkie gave people like JAR, Mangakamen, Hopeless Peaches, and others the least charitable interpretations while romanticizing the likes of Omnia, Kai, Thumin, and PML as good, honest people.
I never thought I would see the day JAR and Doodle would co-op but here we are.
I remember when metokur turned doodletones into a joke.... Cause they made a video on him for his deviant art series when they got to diaper furs....Cause they are one.
I didn't know that.
@@Dr.Gold-Dry-Bowser Yup, I can't unsee it lol.
The video is : Hugbox Chronicles Episode 7 The Tism Storm
You can find mirrors of it on youtube...It's quite the watch still.
@@NeiasaurusCreations I'll give it a watch.
The Tobi Drama should teach people something... People will make a big deal out of anything just to bitch about something that is none of their business...
Its basically if pure OCD was a human being, they basically see something out of context or something so minor and can easily brush off by overthinking over over over over and over again by turning this situation from 0 to 100
And it's still so embarrassing how Junkie just dipped instead of owning up to his actions. How fragile the ego breaks. 😂
Because he didn't want to admit he was wrong and owning up. That requires being able to see yourself in the mirror.
@@ChiefMedicPururu Looking back on his Pentagrin video, it’s ironic he did the same thing as her. Run away from controversy without explaining anything to his mutuals and fans, showing he can’t own up to your actions.
@@molinagrn65 Even sadder is that most of people at falt are copying pentagrin at this point. Omnia idk, Thumin was out of ignorence but at least she isn't a baby that ran away too.
@@ohwell1547 So true-
I remember once how I was mad that someone got their art featured in a video that I thought was bad, so I commented saying that the art looked bad. Of course I got shit for it and I apologized and explained that I said it out of frustration because I wanted my art to get featured. People were surprised that I accepted that my reaction was mean and owned up to my mistake. I talked to the video maker and got my art featured in a later video
But let me tell you, it hurt to admit my fault-even though it was all in writing and not say, a video. But then it felt better to explain why I felt angry enough to comment that and to own up to that mistake and people accepting that apology.
Basically, people will come to understand you if you own up to it and explain why you did the things you did. They may not forgive you, but they will recognize that you put your pride aside to apologize to those you hurt.
50:54 I’m with you. Many artists are sick of minors online. Many even get minors when they tagged them to hell and back. Some even dropping and changing accounts because they keep coming back. And is a fault of social media not the artist. Or what? Adults can’t talk adult things cause a dumb kid’s dad isn’t monitoring their kids? Heck junkie made a video of a zoophile. How is that for kids?
Exactly. There is no "adults only" spaces online, at all, its literally impossible for anyone to ensure that children will never see their content. It doesn't help that children will actively seek out content they're not supposed to see simply *because* its stuff they know they aren't supposed to see. It's a catch 22 for artists. Either never make nsfw art at all, or keep it on sites children "can't" be on....but children are still on those sites anyway so just never make adult content ever?
I mean I get don't make it "easy" for children or market it for kids or actively promote it in front of children, but there is a limit to what people can do beyond simply making the entire world (online and offline) child-centric and censored for children's sensibilities. There will always be a risk that children will either seek out or come across that media, no matter what people do. In the end it comes down to supervision by parents, maybe a reevaluation of children's access to technology at super early ages, and a shakeup of social media so that it doesn't overly focus on youth engagement and encourage teens and under to be on their platforms, especially any that may have a solid adult base. (Part of the reason why children are so targeted is they are the age group that spends the most hours per day on social media, being as they don't have jobs or other responsibilities that would keep them from their devices, and thus interacting and being exposed to the most ads, so they are basically an ad revenue gold mine for social media.)
@@mercy5004 I feel we can’t go and demonize nsfw artists. They do what they can’t. They don’t (most of them) encourage minors to see their content and only do it for other adults in fandoms. I hate having to “think of the children” when a 8 year old shouldn’t have Instagram where assholes fake their bodies are “natural” and encourage fashion that makes swimsuits seem like nun clothing and even bbl or breast implants. I think is the parents fault and creators like mr dragon here have no idea how egoistic they are. Hell he made a video talking or a zoophile. So in his own twisted mind he showed minors a guy who was fine with animal abuse.
Yep, that's why I stopped caring all together.
If my sht is tagged properly, it's on you if you continue on.
PLM, CSA, Kai, and others sure do know how to get lots of people on there side. Even if it means lying.
They'd make great politicians.
@@ReddGier Imagine if Creepshow ran for president
@@AnAdalaze She's too lazy and unmotivated for that.
@@UltimatePerfection True. It would be funny to see tho
@@UltimatePerfection I mean have you seen these last two America has had the "pleasure" of having?
1:01:36 THANK YOU. This is something that needs to be said! And as an Autistic person myself, I’ve seen even so-called “activists” of the type who use terms like “neurodiverse” use this all the time and it’s all so hypocritical.
But while this is barely relevant, wow I remember watching Bentheloony as a kid. I did not expect the guy to be a NSFW artist now. Much less one that drew goddamn shota.
Benthelooney was just mrenter if he was a perverted mess glad he got outted as a creep and got his career shot down
JAR’s yell of nooooooooo was pretty funny to me because of how it reminds me of another character yelling nooooooo like that but for JAR to do it because of DOODLE TONES makes it funnier especially saying “oh hey jar”
Prision Mate Luke is gone at least.
He got executed... For slandering a fruit and a robot. And join the war criminals who gaslighting the whole world.
ALSO: on the topic of "drawn child porn", drawing a real child or a representation of the real child (like a fursona, or a persona of some kind) is child porn in the US (the latter only if you can prove both that it was the childs persona and that the artist intended on drawing the childs persona)
at least from my understanding of US law. same goes for written material. if it involves a real child, even if its drawn, it is child porn due to a real child being depicted. (again, as from my understanding from a US gov website, as someone who is not a lawyer.)
Actual on topic comment, this entire drama is one hell of a rabbit whole. Tbh you could make an iceberg from this lmao. I really liked this whole retrospective!! And its nice to see you talk about videos that weren't touched on much originally. But damn Junkie.. get your shit together bro
I was surprised to see you & doodletones doing a Collab given how you two tore each other apart before but I'm glad to see you both moving on and working together for any reason let alone putting our favorite Kool aid lizard in his place
Tbf, they've been moved on for years. People just like to say they hate each other.
@@zapacunotres59 I was hoping so, I didn't really keep up with how the 2 felt about each other for a while
Always good to see people squash the beef over nebulous drama, shows maturity.
Realize that one thing that bothered me about this junkie and phantoms video aside from what's being discussed, is how they present their screenshot and evidence. It's placed on a small screen and framed so awkwardly that you can't read the text well. really makes us as a viewer have to trust their word and that what they present up is true
edit: rewatching this I realize something else too. Junkie and phantom lambast Peaches for doing grammer edits on the script and supposedly influencing. But Phantom at the beginning- also sounded like they were almost doing the same but calling to question junkie's and madlibs points while being an editor for their script.
I am SO glad I'm not alone on that
JAR and I were swearing under our breaths every time Junkie threw a wall of text at us in the screenshot, not helped by the filter he also puts over everything.
Honestly, looking back on this drama, good lord it was a Train wreak you can't even look away, while the Train is on fire. Honestly, I use to be a Fan of Kai And Prison Mate Luke (regretted that choice) like a Moth to a flame. But now, I learned my bad choices and moved on.
I'm a little drunk right now (Happy Easter everyone!), but I'm so glad Doodles brought up the whole "Tobi doesn't take her BPD seriously". Like... What the FUCK does that even mean???? What do you mean she doesn't take her disorder "seriously?" How is she supposed to take it "seriously?" Like I have ADHD, I'd LOVE to know how one takes ADHD "seriously" when they've never had to LIVE with such a disorder. No, I mean it, please explain that to me...
Like... I get Tobi did a lot of hypocritical things and lashed out and did weird shit, but this drama did blow way out of proportion than it ever needed to. Junkie's vid was pretty bias with hindsight. Especially, given his record for commenting on drama long after it's over with.
Edit: I'm still drunk, but oh my god the amount of times I have verbally said, "Shut the fuck up" during Junkie and his editor's commentary is mindboggling. Like this video was CLEARLY bias as fuck cause Junkie really thought that he was on the side of the "winners". Also the PML comments have me laughing so hard right now. Ah, the gift of hindsight...
Edit Edit: Okay I'm sober now lmao
However, I still stand by most of my drunk ramblings (outside of verbally yelling "Shut the fuck up!" every time Junkie and his Editor said something stupid lol).
In terms of Tobi's BPD, I really wish people would stop using "Your [insert mental health issue/disability here] isn't an excuse!" as a form of critique. Especially, when 90% of the time it's usually used when someone is trying to EXPLAIN what their disorder/illness even is, and use that explanation as a means of explaining why they may have reacted the way they did. In the case of Tobi, I really think the critique SHOULD have been, "Tobi doesn't seem to know how to manage her BPD very well, and should seek professional help so she can develop coping mechanisms to help her navigate these issues that cause her to blow up/react in such a negative way," rather than say she "Doesn't take her BPD seriously." Really, that whole segment came off as neurotypicals, once again, not knowing how disorders/mental illnesses work.
As for Junkie's video as a whole, idk why, but it just comes off as very scummy and exploitative now, thanks to hindsight. It was clearly bias, from the double standards, to the constant bashing of individuals (like Peaches), to admitting to backstabbing MangaKamen simply because Junkie thought MK was lying. There was nothing neutral about this, and more like rubbing proverbial truckloads of salt into open wounds. It was just... very disappointing.
I never understood when they said she apologized on behalf of Shane. When she literally was just crying in pure insanity on a video like most of the young TH-camrs who didn’t know he was a racist, sexist, maybe pedo person. Is like they forgot.
Yes! Right on the fucking money!! How people deal with their disorders/disabilities/mental health, is none of thier business!
Isn't it funny how the main people going around labeling things as "biased" are the most biased motherfkrs out there💀
I swear these people are just using their platforms to project
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It reminds me of the whole dolliguts drama considering they had mental problems and one of the criticisms were that they're a bad representation
i swear people on this platform need to know that explaining why you did something ≠ excusing your actions every single time when it comes to mental health.
Just a robot’s name is in every drama regardless of if he did anything.
I will need to remember that, thank you for this information.
“Jar was breathing when my gf broke up with me, THIS PROVES HE GASLIGHTS RABBITS.”
@@stellarkirbo accurate
@@stellarkirbo I can confirm, I have a rabbit and JAR gaslit him /j
@@TuesdaysArt I’m so sorry. You’re so brave to speak up for your rabbit.
This Co Op was something pretty special. Old adversaries coming together, to get the final blow on an even worse foe. Kind of heart warming, if you are a veteran subscriber (like myself).
It's a writing trope that I love to see, to see it happen IRL too makes me feel slightly better about humanity.
@@blastortoise After the menagerie of stupidity that was the Tobi/Peaches/Kai Dramas, this is a nice cake layer for the icing and cherry that is to come by this mystery commentator down the line.
Wow, those are some impressive mouth animations on Junkie! Shame that mouth is spouting absolutely nothing.
What Emily went through still upsets me. That girl worked her ass off to do better and Shannon had to try to ruin that. Over nothing.
Edit 3 weeks later: Just realized something. Everyone points out that people supporting Tobi kept joining in on the drama when they shouldn't, yet they never point out the ones who supported Kai and Omnia. PML and CSA joined in on the drama, and that was okay. JAR, Peaches, and others against Kai and Omnia? Oh no, that's bad! It's reviving the drama! It's getting into something you shouldn't!
Edit 1 month later: Why is it that Harsh, who is half black, can't say something like racism is a can of worms? But black people are allowed to go on and on about racist shit? Is it because she is half white? If so, that's not right, because she also deals with racism. And she wasn't wrong, it is a can of worms.
Edit 3 months later: Junkie actually told me he and Libs were going to do the collab…
My greatest fanfiction has come to life.
CongratulationsX3
Wow... Did you make a movie about it? Are the protagonist the robot himself? Can I see it!?
Now everyone just needs to kiss.
This drama was such a mess (let’s hope this never happens again); also glad this video tries to explain about all that went down (because it was the most confusing drama like no one knew what was going on until the truth about what creepshow was doing came out)
I'm sure Junkie would love to know what a proper apology looks like since he wouldn't know one if it sneezed in his face
Funny how 2 years worth of drama wouldn't have happened if adults were acting like adults.
The internet is both a blessing and a curse.
I would like to say thank you to Doodles for bringing up her point at 1:05:17. One of the big issues I had with Junkie's video was the ableism. It was mostly the stuff with how Peaches mental health crisis was handled, but there were things that I missed like Raven's comment on Tobi's BPD, I'd even argue the not getting social ques insult was kinda ableist to an extent, even if it wasn't on purpose. You're not an SJW (Not gonna lie that term has lost all meaning to me since 2017 but I get why you'd be worried about being branded as one) for rightfully pointing it out.
I *hate* when people say you can't have an opinion on things if you're not the correct race. Ummm? Actually, I can talk about whatever I want. I understand what it's like to be mistreated, to face oppression, and to deal with injustice.
Almost like that in itself is racist to say, funny how an anti-racist would say something so blatantly racist.
@@blastortoise exactly
Raven is also being a massive hypocrite here, validating Kai saying Harsh is white when she's still half black (she definitely experiences racism) while saying JAR needs to keep his opinion to himself.
She's validating verbal abuse towards a black woman by a black man and saying "uwu I'm Asian I can do this". No Raven. That's not how it works.
Fr, being a POC does give you more insight and experience but just because you aren't a POC doesn't mean you arent allowed to speak
its a good idea to hear opinions from POC and also to ask them things but even if youre white you can still have insightful things to say
“The worst thing about having a mental illness, is that be expect you to act as if you don’t”
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that Kai and Omnia were treated with kiddie gloves this whole drama?
Like you couldn’t critique them, and when you did, you had to give a million disclaimers.
(By you I mean Junkie and Raven)
Yeeeep. This whole video definitely had me thinking 'wow, how do their boots taste you guys?'
I'm assuming they thought they were coming down on the 'winning' side. I still think Omnia got insanely lucky about the Creepshow stuff coming out because more eyes were fixated that way instead of on them
It's so funny to me how now days people resolve problems in public for everyone to see, instead of beating each other like in the old good times
I tried talking things out in privet with him but I got blocked. I would be willing to fight it out with anyone that's smaller than me
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR it's sad that you couldn't resolve this in private, at least here in my beautiful third world country drama doesn't last long since everybody tends to end it beating each other to a pulp
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Gotta love them typos lol they’re so funny to laugh at when you notice them in hindsight😊
Man, coming back to this side of the internet years after I left it is... interesting, to say the least. Great work on the video tho!!
1:40:00 and yet people never call out thumin cause… yeah. People don’t be afraid to hate people based on their actions. You can hate. Hate can be equal. You can hate someone if they’re assholes even if they are trans, gay, poc or anything else. Being from a minority doesn’t mean people can’t hate you. Thinking poc can’t do no harm is bad cause you’re diminishing their individuality based on their race and for lgbtq+ cause of their gender preference or sexual orientation. It makes you look worse. In my eyes at least
Yeah I guess that depends on how you spin things, because thumin and junkie did that to portray them as "hurr durr racists" then they really weren't. Which does throw more clout on them, because they are misrepresenting jar's, mangakamen's and others arguments.
@@justinambru8529 Yeah. Mangakamen was actually smart to ignore the drama. He was trying to step away. He was friend of peaches so anything he said would’ve been taken badly. Even more you can see he wants out of this community. I like thumin art but this situation really soured her content for me. And the fact she, Omnia and Kai got the least of it was very anger inducing. Peaches wasn’t bigger than Omnia and for someone who claimed to be so smart to just let peaches get dead threats but not caring and the apology being so meh makes me really think she wasn’t wrong for not accepting her apology. Was she supposed to take a half baked apology just cause she claimed to not know better when is shown she didn’t even watched the video she supported? No. Omnia seemed so abusive and vindictive. What happened with Kai is bad but I won’t go and just forget what she did cause of that.
A 2 hour JAR movie, this is even more than the CC movie.
This drama unravels more than a HarleyTBS video
1:44:00 Ah, yes. This segment of Junkie's vid. The funny thing is, I didn't really pay too much to this segment at the time. Not because I zoned out after BS was thrown in my face, but because I was watching the live chat as this video was premiering. And I got to witness Dulu as well as Junkie chanting "Just a Robot is Just a Racist." Which just confirmed to me where Junkie stood in all of this (aside from stanning PML). It's funny how he says he waits for a drama to conclude to step in, yet he jumped the gun and it shot him before he even landed.
Edit: Alright, I just listened to this segment again, and the patronizing tone Phantom takes while talking down to JAR is striking a chord for me. Maybe it's just me and some of the past experience I had where people did that to me because I told them I had autism, but it does kinda feel like she's being ableist toward JAR here. To clarify, I'm not saying she *is* ableist, just that it feels that way to me. Did she use the same tone toward anyone else?
Dulu is also bad but I take care of them latter
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Fair, fair. I'll look forward to that. But for now, rest. You've worked hard. You deserve it.
the crossover episode no one expected.
I’ve never understood why people in the community seem to really dislike JAR.
I’ve veen subscribed to JAR for years now.
It feels like every video where someone talks about him, they always has to say “I disagree with JAR” after they tell us he said something they agree with. Which is the videos where he talks.
When JAR has made an oopsie, he does try his best at conveying why he thought that was okay, BUT he also aknowledges that it’s wrong. Most of the time it was a joke, and he doesn’t joke like that (at least on video) moving forwards.
But peoole still bring it up to this day.
It seems like JAR is supposed to be defending himself all the time, and while he has SHOWN us that he can reflect, and try to understand why it’s an oopsie so it doesn’t happen again? No one else can?
The peoole that watch this community has seen it time and time again…
Idk… just some thought
Ngl, JAR is kind of a dick. No hate but he is.
But at least I know he is, he isn't pretending to be some sugar sweet person while skinning puppies behind the scenes.
Devils Advocate to the extreme. This is something I found out with my "friend" in rl who even claimed "if a female agrees with you, somethings wrong" when its not true. Theres some people who flat out are also hypocrits.
Never thought I’d see the day where J.A.R. and Doodletones are doing a video together. Really goes to show how these two have grown over the years. First they were mortal enemies (at least that’s how I saw it) and now....here we are.
"I would call Kai a lot worse things than a simp-"
NO JAR NOT THE HARD R!
HE'S GOING TO THE BRIDGE TOO!!! STOP HIM!!!!
Junkie comes off as really condescending and “fake nice” in this video. it genuinely started to infuriate me
The Tobi drama is just going to be one of those moments that will be immortalize in history books so future generations hopefully not repeat these mistakes.
It amazes me that those who stood on a soap box and preach the loudest just to be "on the winning side," then to be called put and their own skeletons and lies get brought into the light; They either disappear so they won't accept their mistakes or just deflect. Really showing the flaws of control and pride.
I do agree that this shouldn't have blown up like it should have but Kai, PML and Creepshow thrive on control and their own vanity that once their flaws were exposed and no way to clear their name... they broke and rather than accept their flaws they turn tell and ran or worse deflect because to them it's more about winning an arguement or validating their warped morals. Junkie falls into the same pack as Kai, Luke and Shannon because for him it was to stand on that right side of history and being a moral authority while doing some very shady things just to make himself look good.
His Tobi video was just to make him look good like the morally right one and it really shows when exusing Kai and Omnia's wrong doing but condemning everyone else for either criticizing them or being at the wrong place at the wrong time to make a post/tweet. It further build up hate against the like of Peaches, JAR and many others and plugging in the nonsensical SJW crap that Kai and Shannon thrive off of while failling to practice what they preach. Junkie was a Creepshow simp who threw is own friends under the bus just so he could kiss her big toe. Hell will be very very cold for him, more so since he is a dragon and dragon is weak to ice.
Again very amazing video and looking forward to seeing if you continue this as a series. Intrested if you'll cover Spoctor next.
39:16 God, this little segment reminded me how much I hate Omnia. I forgot how obnoxious they could sound, like holy fuck, people are 100% allowed to talk about a situation once public.
I hate to have confirmation bias but I never really like Omnia, not Thumin but that's beside the point (I think, this debacle is such a mess, it's hard to keep up, and had so many gray areas)
But they both were confidently ignorant and not willing to admit fault or doubt, not willing to play devil’s advocate or attempt to view the other side and dig their heels in. Either that or that's the impression I'm getting from them.
I wanted to like them, really did, but they said so much stuff that I disagreed with so much I just didn't get much of a good feeling as to who they are.
@JustACommenter Yeah, I mean... That sounded so bitchy.
"If you don't wanna end up like your _little friend_ here" that was so... unbelievably stupif to say. Even if you are in the right, saying this kind of shit won't make you in right, it will only make you look worse and unreasonably bitchy. God, again, how did no one called them out for this?
@@stellarkirbo I felt like Thumin was way too harsh on JAR and others, while she downplayed Omnia and Kai's actions as "defense", and discussed racism in a situation where it was a small factor. I always got the vibe she putted them in a pedestal and refused to acknowledge their wrong doings properly (she just brushed it off as actions they already apologized, when in reality they didn't).
@JustACommenter Yeah I thought it was Creepshow at first when listening to a segment of her voice.
@@intoxishawn. Thumin was really the catalyst that made everything worse during the drama
This was really well done video. I really like the banter between jar and doodles. Honestly didn't realize how long video was tell I finished. Good stuff u 2
This definitely wasn’t something I was expecting. I know what I’m doing today, watching this video. The ultimate maybe finale
I definitely see TRO making the Tobi video. Makes drama videos long after the drama ended, doesn't upload very often, makes incredibly long videos that gets a lot of attention, etc. Dude fits the bill.
Oh god, the second you mentioned Noralities….the memories came rushing back lol
Her videos are garbage, at least a GOOD BUNCH of them.
I agree with your editor's comment about ableism, Doodle.
Also, this is probably my Autism speaking, but I genuinely like how your voice sounds like a Mii from Tomodachi Life.
As someone who didn't start watching drama videos until after a few months into the Peaches drama (a follower of her channel who wasn't aware of why she went on hiatus for so long during that time until you put out your first video about it JAR) this really shows the scope of the Tobi drama for me. Until now I always heard about the Tobi drama in passing in other videos as only being something that was just between Tobi, and Shannon that got blown out of proportion, but I wasn't aware of how many more people there was involved, and how bad it got, so much so it led to a domino effect that ended with Shannon's fall.
Really appreciate this video it was enlightening.
no problem it took a lot of work to look over all the info.
Hey JAR! I watch all of your videos, even though I know nothing about the drama. You're just very entertaining! Even if I'm not super into drama, you're like..the only TH-camr of your type that I enjoy. Keep it up! 🎉
Holy heck. After watching this whole video I'm exaughsted. XD
JAR YOURE REVIVING THE DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Lol I’m kidding I don’t mean that
AWWW JAR you hearted me!! Thank you!!
Well this is the co-op I though it would never happened in a million years. Finally my dream has come true.
I almost dipped my toes into being a commentator-type person... and then I watched this whole thing happen and I thought, maybe no. You're an awesome dude Robot, keep making videos.
Man, I love this retrospectives, I wasn't into this drama (or the commentary community in general) for the most part, so getting a long video like this is really entertaining and informative. Thanks, man.
Just A Robot plus Doodletones? Am I dreaming?!
Right!?
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Yeah?!
Yes. We are in the strangest dream right now aha
@@riotkitty lmao
I thought Ace Attorney couldn’t happen in ‘real life’ until this absolute train wreck of a saga rivaling Fast and the Furious in length.
Yeah, it’s on TH-cam, and not in a courtroom, but it might as well be. The burning one, with people randomly bursting in at insane times, all weapons drawn.
Everytime I watch one of these videos, I realize time & time again that... *I don't pay enough attention to anything lmao.*
A little rant about _Thumin_ since this video helped my own realization I recently had about her: Just like Kai, she also tends to talk about race a lot in her content & on Twitter. Now as a black person myself (BIPOC) it's completely fine for her to talk about the rac!st hate she gets (& I really do hope it stops because obviously that's vile as fck), but in her most recent video talking about some Gacha creator sending her rac!st hate, she pretty much literally said if that person actually ended up taking their own life due to them getting harassed for what they did, that she *doesn't even care.*
That comment didn't sit well with me. I don't condone that Gacha creator's actions of course, but saying that you don't even care if they -k!ll- themselves after what they've done to you is...a bit too far in my opinion. Plus that creator seems like they could a literal child (judging from how their content looks but ofc I could be very wrong), & uhhh telling possibly A CHILD to go ahead & off themselves is noooooot a good look. Again as a BIPOC dealing with people treating you like garbage solely because of your race on a daily basis is horrendous, & it seems like something she deals with a lot (like Kai I assume since he brings it up every 0.02 secs) & I feel horrible for her as someone who hasn't dealt with that much racial hatred growing up, but since she's expressed in every drama video to not send harassment to anyone, being even slightly okay with someone offing themselves because they harassed you & is now receiving harassment (& they just seem like a mere troll who wants attention anyway) isn't great to me.
But in the eyes of Twitter or the world of SJWs, maybe that's seen as a "hot take" or something, idk. Sorry this comment was so long, I had a lot to say lol. I hope I made my point clear enough though. *Also let me know when that long Tobi video drops, my guy.*
the long tobi video will most likely drop in 2 weeks. I have a hunch that the next big drama is going to be around thumin.
Kai, Omnia, and Thumin - Three douchbags I've never trusted
Wait that happened, WTF. I'm BIPOC myself; and that wrong. Thumin shouldn't be receiving racist attacks, but the kid shouldn't have killed himself either.
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Same. Love the new thumbnail btw, it's cute. :3
Wait, did Thumin say she didn't care if the kid went through with it or did she encourage it? Because I personally don't think she's obligated to care about the well-being of a troll
Honestly I don’t like Akumu but I kinda did agree with his views on Kai. He is racist towards white people so while I don’t like Akumu (I don’t like anybody who intentionally starts drama that’s not cool) I can at least respect him for pointing out the double standard. So many people still believe that black people cant be racist especially towards white people and that will only cause more division between the races. So moral of the story I guess… just because someone may be a bad person does not mean everything they say is wrong. Sometimes they can be right and it’s ok to agree with them when they are. (And I’m not defending or saying I like akumu I only saw his Kai videos and that’s it. I’m not a fan of his trust me.)
You don't like me, and that's fine. You're respectable. You don't like me and don't wanna agree with me, but admit the double standard. If only the rest of the Art CC and SCC could do so. 💀
I don't entirely understand what you mean by me starting drama though, I just made fun of him on Twitter and his stream. 😳
A broken clock is right twice a day or in akumu case, once a year.
@@ohwell1547 giggity, have you seen any of my content?
@@akumu9301 hey Akumu thanks for being respectful I’m still very young and new to the internet ( I just got this account on my birthday) so I appreciate your respect even if we disagree thanks ❤️
@@pastelstarchild4833 welcome to the internet
I really do hope this video does take for granted. I can see how much effort you did in this video, and I'm actually very proud of you guys. Hopefully, this goes well. And to those people that've caused this chaos, need to think and do research before you could make a video and point fingers at someone.
So far. I think you did great! Keep on doing what you're doing! And always march forward! : D
Personally, when it comes to your channel, I came for the show reviews and stayed for the drama videos. I'm grateful for the recap because I don't know much about YT drama or the people who got involved, it's just fun to listen to while I work.
1:11:33 That was a pretty messed up thing to say. It's not "just a dog". It may not be her dead mother, but it's still a life lost, a life of an animal who a human was very close with and tightly bonded with for years of their own life. To say the life of an animal didn't matter just because they weren't human is still insensitive and will only cause further backlash. Yeah, he was her dog, but it's still not the time or place to talk about personal drama in a video where you're celebrating the life of an animal that you were close with on a personal and emotional level.
Obligatory "huh, JAR and Doodle, eh?" comment aside, this is pretty sound response.
And if i have any idea about channels that make infrequent, nuke-drop videos....
This is gonna get interesting, i have a couple in mind and they're all rather thorough. I'm getting kinda hyped lol
Sometimes people click on a video about drama TO find out what's going on, because they don't follow all the creators involved or even if they do they don't follow them on every platform and are therefor going to always be some level of out of the loop.
Exactly, and might I add, not everyone is on the internet 24/7 keeping up with everything. Except maybe children and people like Junkie :P
I know this is old, but that’s exactly my thoughts! I just have no time to spend on the internet all the time or anyone does. Well, except people who wants some attention.
I do remember seeing that video from Junkie, and didn't really knew what to think of it. There was just too much to take in. Though from the moment I noticed the video was gone from his channel, I did have a feeling something was off. But just looking back on it and with the tone he used towards his targets, it really did felt like Junkie had shown his true colors in that video, especially after seeing the other video of his VC with MangaKamen. It's no wonder he's been outed for being deceitful.
Junkie kinda had the misfortune of joining a new circle of creators who he of course tries to appeal to. Sadly he ended up giving them too much trust while seeing the worst interpretations in others.
Don't get me wrong, I still think the Tobi video was a mess from an argumentative point, but Junkies video was a watered down version of what most people already said, throwing peaches into a tank full of sharks despite being given full context and as said before full of interpretations of someone's intentions based on who the person sided with
Edit: to be fair I also have issues with this video but those come mostly from things that lie in the eyes of the beholder.
For example: You saw Omnia "leaking tobis private story" after she said she cut context. I see Omnia being like "Fine, here is the full uncut context to keep my credibility"
Or the point of peaches claiming to know omnia well enough to tell when she's honest or not when apologizing. No, jar peaches didn't immediately stop when omnia said no (thumins video showed the back and forth). Like, I think peaches is awesome but it takes a lot to knowing for sure when someone you never met is sorry or not. There is a difference of knowing someone ans knowing someone PERSONALLY
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I mean it’s kinda a perception thing. Some people are easy to read when they are genuine or not, and some people overestimate how well they can tell when someone is being genuine or not. Peaches could well have know them well enough to gage their genuine ness, or could alternately have had a false impression of being able to do so. It’s hard to say because we don’t know any of them really.
im loosing it at the "WHEEEE!!"s thanks jar for including it
(actually- it was me that included it, it's my clip ^^;)
Junkie's Tobi video, this is the first time I saw more than the Nezziemonster section(It was really the only part I was curious about at the time). Shortly after that video came out, I unsubbed from him.
On another note: I remember finding both you and Doodletones(Among others like Mangakamen) a long while ago, probably in the same time range of me checking out various Pokemon commentaries. I didn't see your commentary on that subject until a bit later.
In the past, I was a fan of Junkie's content and thought of him as a cool and reasonable guy. But then I noticed his behavior during the Tobi and Hopeless Peaches drama and started to distance myself from his channel, especially after that horrendous Tobi video. And any respect I once had for the guy went out the window after seeing what happened to Fish Lizard. So once both your and Hiten's videos on Junkie had came out, I was not shocked by his actions behind the scenes.
In regards of the Tobi drama, I'm just tired of people acting like it shouldn't be discussed at all and that it was a situation where Omnia and Kai were ganged up upon by the community. Firstly, this situation has caused so many future dramas and affected so many commentary channels that I feel that it should be discussed to understand how we got to this point. And secondly, the majority of the commentary community backed both Omnia and Kai during the Tobi drama and anyone that even slightly criticized them faced harsh backlash. So these arguments feel less like avoiding a touchy subject and more like shutting down any potential discussions that could challenge the narrative presented by the "winners".
I still can't find the resolve to even use the word "winners" to describe them. It's kinda like watching a few guys cheat on an exam together and yet they still passed despite the other students in the room pointing it all out.
@@ReddGier Well think of it like this. They might have technically won the battle but the war didn't really stop. And in the end, they are now having their behavior and actions over the past year and a half called into question. So the silver lining is that something is being done NOW rather than not at all.
@@ktvasil472 That's fair. And quite comforting, too.
Long story short: This has been the most extended cut of a drama I’ve ever seen. Fun to watch in retrospect, but we would certainly hesitate to say we want it again lol
ive actually watched junkie's entire video on his "retrospective" of the whole tobi drama and well, now looking at his behavior and now seeing some of the shit he's done, now i see the video his did as a total bias take and i would be lying if i said it didnt have the smell of bias from the get go even before all the shit about junkie came out, yeah it was totally bias and he seems like the kind of person who would picked the winning side but now has miserably lost in the long run, im sure he's seething at that and awaiting his apology video
EDIT: ok so upon finishing your video jar, i am quite disgusted i didnt notice some of the things he pulled in your video here with doodles primarily because he was joining in during the middle of the peaches drama that we all watched just after tobi and this much i can say, i am shocked i didnt pick up on it earlier because i was seeing this shit fly during the tobi drama
Honestly I didn't know how bad the drama was until now ESPECIALLY how bad it was on you. I was in and out when it came to the Peaches drama and even having half-informed and regrettable opinions because I honestly had no fucking clue what was going on. After all that shit I uninstalled twitter honestly. It's the cesspool for the most disgusting individuals and they stretch any small argument into some kind of crime.
I think that's just most people who have a life outside of the internet. People make mistakes and have ill-informed opinions because, honestly, they have more important things going on. I don't know, I feel like a lot of the people who chose a side probably did so not out of hate, but out of, I'm just willing to accept this person did wrong, I care but not really all that much. Minus the crazy people who bought into everything that was being said. Then they saw the one's making the accusations get in trouble and were like, I'm just willing to accept this person did wrong, I care but not really all that much. Not really apathy, but more like there's more important things to worry about than internet drama. But that's just me, I had misinformed opinions too during all this. Maybe I'm just a old fart :P
Twitter sucks monkey balls
I really enjoy your collaboration with Doodles. Kinda wished you guys interacted a little more, like you did when you two shout "Where?!" together
Great video!
It’s good to see JAR and Doodle collabing on a video. Also, thank you for re-capping. The context actually helped when understanding the points you guys made. I kind of think everyone should just cool off and move on from the drama.
Damn watching all this feels like I'm in history class
the commentary Community really does sound like a war between nations carefully calculating each attack... it's kind of scary
I wouldn't be that dramatic, it just sound like the friend groups from high school are going at it. The whole thing amounts to high school drama from people who never left that high school mentality and I say this as someone who's at least self aware of her own stunted social and emotional development.
I love listening to you while I am at work you definitely help me get though the day also loved that you put Star Wolfs theme from Star Fox Assault in your video
The power coming from this crossover is to powerfull
A OVER 2 HOUR JAR VIDEO?! The robotic Gods have truly blessed us today.
Dear lord. If you turned them repeating themselves over and over into a drinking game you'd get alcohol poisoning. This was exhausting listening to as someone who had little idea as to what was going on coming into the video. Even with all the skipping and speeding up, those two really loved to just shove the same "point" down your throat over and over.
Nice video, JAR. You guys covered it well and pointed out their hypocrisies very nicely. The CC is a mess, isn't it? What a ride lol
it's more like CC groups
Hot dang, a feature length video. This is gonna be good.
1:19:51 I get her cause Omnia and Kai would say sorry but briefly and then batch on her head. Which ya know anyone would find disingenuous. Is like being told “sorry I harmed you but again you’re not the best person cause x and y”.
My dream has come true jar and doodletones are in a collab this is one of my favorite videos ever
This drama is like a fictional war movie! And I want something like that to be made... The hatred, the betrayal, the hopelessness, the miracles, the crazy events, the hope, the turn table, and the death and destruction...
(I will keep this in my parody version of this drama.)
Yes please!
@@MrGamernova I would guarentee you that in the Oscar when this movie got nominated, Prison Mate Luke will slap JAR in the face...
@@furrieoussheadquarter1359 No, it'll be Kai slapping Omnia again, three times.
@@MrGamernova Yeah... But here's the thing! JAR and Luke are both have the same race and gender. While Kai and Omnia have the same race but different gender.
And to make the joke even better, both JAR and Luke should recreate that meme with as close accuracy as possible. Hahaha...
Edit: But Kai and Omnia part would be better of as a since in the movie when they lost the war, instead of in the Oscar event.
I'm sorry you went through all that JAR. People backstabbing you and just being jackasses. I hope you, MangaKamen, Hopeless peaches and the others that suffered through this craziness get the peace and happiness you guys deserve. Yes I know about the Omnia situation too. Won't mention it, but I do hope she's doing better after all the things that happened to her. Great video JAR and interesting to see an ex rival as a collaborator in this.
Speaking of the "BoxOvFox tried to get your editor to stop working for you" situation...despite what BoxOvFox did I also kinda respect them since they pretty much outed a bad person. That "editor" in question did very and I mean VERY questionable things. Including making certain women feel uncomfortable, and yes myself included. But there's a video on that somewhere on here. I won't link it because it really has nothing to do with this drama.
yes I know what Josh did and it was wrong and I have seen the videos done on him.
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Huh...didn't expect you to respond and actually say his name, but yeah it's whatever. Sometimes crazy drama has to happen for people to show their true colors...
To prove that point I don't even need to show evidence. CreepshowArt, Junkie, PrisonMateLuke (though his case is an odd one though since he got big only because he created drama videos, he's like if KeemStar had a son with a 2.0 version lol), and Kai (same case as PrisonMateLuke I think...I could be wrong since I didn't really watch his videos or anything like that before his channel got taken down).
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR oh wow Josh holy fuck that’s horrible I know how much he meant to you JAR I can’t believe he did that