Thank you for this very informative presentation on what's happened to our salmon in CA. This should be required watching in every school in the state. I have written letters to our local news paper saying a lot of the exact same things. Again, Thank you!
Wow I never knew that hatcheries did this . This was a eye opener for me . I wish I could’ve seen the salmon run at its best and hope I can some day in the future .
I remember the Feather in the 60s and early 70s...the River would turn Dark Red with Salmon...you could walk over them back to back ...and the Steelhead fishing was spectacular....36,inch Steelhead were common under the green bridge in Oroville.... If you care...cull as many Squawfish as possible...sign a petition to fix the problem of Migrating Salmon getting sucked up into them delta pumps...
Sewage leaks in SF Bay caused algae bloom killing 10,000s of fish and sea life (SF Chronicle). Now Norcal reservoirs like Nimbus Dam (down from Folsom) have their FLOODGATES open in order to flush the Bay. Floodgates open in September during a mega drought!!! Maybe fix the SF sewage issues???????!!!??
So much incompetence, so many lies. The Agriculture Industry wants nothing of value to thrive in any rivers so they are free to take as much water as they need to grow rice and wheat without regard to hatching smolts needing that cold fast water to hatch. Coleman Hatchery, built on the most prolific spawning creek in California, Battle Creek, actually has a barrier across that creek to prevent any salmon from moving upriver to spawn naturally. Even after they have filled their "quota" of eggs they do not permit salmon up that once so prolific creek. If only the guides and sportsman's associations could take over management of the hatcheries, thwart the efforts of big agriculture to kill off these noble fish.
These guy are right that's part but did you here them say there selling are fish to Canada are license payed for those fish and the selling our FISH TO Canada!!!
That is totally off base! This has ZERO to do with farmers wanting water! It IS about total mismanagement of our Fish and Wildlife! SELLING the fish, rather then allowing them to SPAWN! Crimes Against Humanity, and Nature!
this video is so honest, and sad. I remeber growing up in cali and when I was a kid in the 90s the salmon fishing was excellent and it declined as I got older. Moved to oregon and the same shit goes on up here. Political and private flawed agendas are hurting our fisheries up and down the west coast badly, we all need to be in this together, commercial and sport fishermen we are in this for the same thing
I was born in Seattle, 1958. Fished all my life. The Green/Duwamish river was always in the top ten steelhead producing rivers of the State. Then it dwindled down to nothing. Along with the run of Steelhead in the Cedar in Renton. I moved to NorCal. I made the right move, dams are out on the Mighty Klamath. I made the right move.
This ISN'T just in California. It's coast-wide. I have argued that after over 100 years of hatchery operation, there is NO genetic difference between hatchery raised fish, and those that are of native origin. The myth of "wild salmon" is just that - a myth.
Was telling my brother about this video. We live in puget sound and hsrg programs are a joke and was trying to explain to him what they do. Then remembered this video and this can’t be any clearer on the issue. There should be a video to recognize how hsrg programs/ lawsuits never helped puget sounds steelhead.
I live in WA. I've seen the Salmon River. The NUMBERS of steelhead that return to that river. Ran by the tribes. He's not wrong, go check it out, it's not bad, it's good, big fish, it proves brood stock works! It doesn't take a rocket scientist. I'm so frickin pissed right now, what WA has done with our fisheries. Not to mention our bottom fish in the sound, especially our summer steelhead that in my lifetime used to flourish. Watching schools upon schools of summer-run steelhead move up river in the 80's. The time is NOW!
Can you do a video on the death and killing of trout at 3 of the 4 trout fish hatcheries in the state of California and why this happened? The future of trout plants for the state? Ways the fishermen can help? Can King salmon be substituted for trout in some lakes planted? Is there a way we can increase the amount of hatcheries in California? Since the population is growing more the the resources in California what can be done to improve trout populations? Thanks I think you can expand on this and let me know where I can send a dollar!!!!!!!!!!!
SO MUCH FOR THE TIRADE OF ALARM... I had no idea that American Canadian Was so Far reaching..They buy fish for pennies on the dollar in Washington as well. Fisheries on the Whole west coast are being run the Same!!! We don't need 100 non profits fishing groups sounding their own form of alarm...We need Coastal Conversation assn, Puget Anglers Anglers Assn, Twin Harbors Assn and other Larger fishing groups.. As well at the Large Tackle providers, Guides, Charters, and Fishing resort towns all over the West Coast... To join forces to stop the theft of our fishing resources, and to rebuild our hatchery infrastructure.. We can't do it individually or try to fight for the last fish...I hope it isn't to late...FIGHT FOR IT, THEY WON'T GIVE IT BACK TO YOU WITH NICE TALK..
It's almost like the hatcheries want the native salmon population to die off so they have all the supply which will increase the demand. I always thought hatcheries we're there to restock the fish. I live in NH and. Pretty sure our hatcheries stock all the rivers and lakes. This video is two years old I wonder if anything has gotten better. Knowing California it's most likely gotten worse.
After watching all the fanfare and self back-patting of the Nimbus Hatchery upgrade things just didn't sit right and felt omitted. Thanks for this investigative work. And of course it smells of a government operation - the science, methods, incentives etc. get warped.
There needs to be a study commissioned by, and conducted by an independent organization, without any anticipated gain or loss or predetermined belief that would bias the results of the study. The studies results should include what is best for the environment as well as a study that takes into consideration for what benefits the local population and national population. Environmental advocacy groups are not unbiased sources of information.
I worked on a salmon restoration project up in Mendocino put together by the department of fish and game . I think there got be some way to get the hatcheries to open there eyes and stop selling the fish that we need in are rivers .
Well, ag is such a large business that if one takes away the sport fishery then you have to buy from another ag biz which is corporate fish farming, at the end of this whole boondoggle is we are at the whim of corporate farms and a new corporation is formed. Sad so sad.
I remember the american river in the late 90s-mid 00s was PACKED with Salmon, You'd see dozens and dozens of them everywhere you look, Now those same spots are ghost towns. They have completely ruined Salmon
we gotta fix this ! Those hatchery fish are just as natural as the other fish maybe even better because they have multiple fathers instead of one ,but genetic diversity is healthy!
I don't think salmon were ever supposed to spawn that low in the watershed. They were all supposed to go above the dams. Since they can't jump the dams, the hatcheries were built. You can't ever get what you used to with the dams in their way.
In 1879 stripe bass were introduced to California and are now in evasive species, eating salmon smoltz on their way to the ocean. As an evasive species they should be treated as such with no catch limit and a commercial use.
Hatcheries are in place to mitigate the lose of spawning habitat that was lost when the dams were put in. Look back a few generations, hatchery fish come from wild fish, they are 99% genetically the same. The only difference between hatchery and wild fish is the short time that the hatchery fish spends in the rearing ponds in the hatchery. After that they both spend the rest of their lives doing the same thing, getting down stream, to the ocean, spend about 2, 3, or 4 years in the ocean, do exactly the same thing as a wild fish would do then return to the river of their birth, some at the hatchery, some in the main stem of the river. I can not think of one major river that has been restored to pre dam numbers by only restoring wild fish. This is 2020, more people, more water diversion, drought, who ever thinks that trying to restore wild fish while not using a hatchery, should get ready to fish in a river with no fish in it in about ten years. I have guided on the Trinity River for the last 30 years. All the comments by the guides are accurate, they know. At least they did not have sit around and watch Trinity River Restoration Program spend 15 years and 250 million tax payers dollars to kill their river. This is what it breaks down to, in the long run, guides do it for the love of the game, government love of the money.
To Cam Guides help people learn to fish enjoy the outdoors. We don’t commercialize the fish we give back. Speaking of commercialization how are Nike and Levi’s fitting, might need to get one of the really cool pair of waders so you can think you are a fisherman, once you get good enough at your hobby you might be good enough to be a guide. But with that shit attitude I doubt it. Best stick with you lame day job, probably fit you better anyway. But there’s always hope.
Guides. Love of the game ? I should video guides and post it. All their greedy behavior. From the Cowlitz to the outlet of the Feather river. I've seen it time again. Guides running over bank fishermens hooked fish. It's a war out there on rivers. Bank fishermen against guides. Two mind sets. Some greedy for tips others fishing for fun.
@@liamgogan476 with such immature comments I must have busted your fragile ego. Guides deplete fish stocks. Example. Customer reels in a prime venerable anadromous fish. The guide wants to fill his written quota, and the guide whips up expectations, so no conservation efforts. His only effort is to fill a creel. Example. While fishing the Satsop river I hooked and landed a 25 pound or so hen Chinook in her prime. It was legal to keep but I choose to release the fish for future propagation. A few months later I hooked and landed 11 steelhead in the same hole. Didn't keep any hens. Only one buck. Now if a guide was fishing this hole, he would have filled his quota and limited his boat and hurried back with another set of customers. Limited them too. This is how guides work the rivers. Especially during steelhead runs. No conservation efforts. Most fishermen I know now selectively fish. Guides don't.
I support this videos point. As to the regards to this …it’s problem and should be fixed !!! I know it’s hard But why not shit down the season for a year maybe two let the numbers recover!!!
And for you Californians...you might read this. I didn't see much of this factual info covered in this documentary...including the big upswing in chinook numbers down in the Bay area. Why are the commercials (ocean troll fleet) allowed to catch so many chinook out in the sale if things are so bad? You'll read about your area, poor numbers in recent years to some excellent fishing last year (2019), how the El Nino's effected the depressed salmon returns along with drought, drought, drought. And mention of the rest of the west coast where climate change is responsible for salmon die-offs in Alaskan rivers due to warm water, etc. California Sails Toward Biggest Salmon Harvest in Years www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2019-08-22/off-the-hook-california-king-salmon-rebounds-after-drought
This is exactly why the runs keep getting worse... Ya there might be a good run here and there but its nothing to what it could be. There should be good runs every year. Even on a bad warm ocean time period there still should be decent amount of salmon. Instead of arguing with seasoned guides and fishermen and making the problem worse, we should work with them to create better salmon returns
The last few years the hatcheries have been dumping fish in the ocean and bays, thus negating the 100 mile journey the little guys need to go and avoid all the predators along the way. With these ocean releases you get a much higher survival rate, and consequently more fish. Because of these hatcheries the Bay Area has seen incredible salmon fishing the last few years, whereas the north coast (by Eureka for example) this year in 2020 with the very low numbers of fish in the Klamath River especially, you see low numbers of ocean caught fish.
The Klamath River is all wild fish, (I think...maaaybe the hatchery in Lewiston does Kings but I’m not sure) and so is the Eel, Smith, and Mad rivers up there. Thus without hatcheries you get a good deal of variation in terms of the run, as it is heavily reliant on good water conditions when the fish spawn. Along with that all those rivers have seen dwindling numbers of salmon though the years and some of those north coast rivers (Eel and Mad for example) you cannot keep any salmon you catch in those bodies of water.
As a CA life long hunter, I no longer purchase a hunting license nor hunt in this pathetic state. It is an urban state with urban priorities and the game management has run off the hunters in the last few decades, from the ban on lead bullets, less tags, ammo restrictions, you name it. There used to be great deer hunting here but no longer. Another example of democrat control that turns everything to crap.
This is a very sad thing to see I have lived no more that 15 min away from the American river for 33 years on the water alot now look they are reconstructing the fish ladder at nimbus to capture more kings now
And trout are a native specie not all !! With all the studies on some lakes I know of and the management of trout in these lake's I have not seen improvement and when limits were 10 I use to catch 10 , when limits are 5 I use to catch 5 ,now limits are 5 I feel good catching 3 and that's if I'm lucky. Why haven't we figured out how many young trout are needed to put into a lake and put that many fish in a lake and let them grow in the lake and limit the amount of trout planted and could cut back on the trout hatcheries and use the hatcheries for supplemental planting? This has probably already been figured out. Can you imagine the saving of money, gas,and manpower which could cut taxes and save!!!!!! What a dream!
If we want to save the salmon, keep hatcheries programs going but we need to stop salmon fishing for a ten year period and see what happens you might be surprised. I have fished for salmon for over 40 years and have seen a lot so the stopping of fishing for a period of time is worth a try. To many guides now days are not helping salmon .
I wonder how much the drought had to do with declining fish population. I've seen its effect in other watersheds. I'm not one to play the "Blame Game" .
This is a propaganda video with a lot of disinformation and a one-sided, lack of science & facts view portrayed by mostly people who exploit these fish for the almighty dollar. Yes...prolonged severe droughts have a very negative effect on salmonids. Record high water temperatures have a significant negative effect on salmonids...both the juveniles and adults. Record poor ocean conditions like was saw in the 90's El Nino years and again a repeat during the 2015-2017 time frame this time with an unprecedented warm water "blob"...the worst ocean conditions on record. So up here in Washington state we saw severely depressed runs during the mid to late 90's El Nino periods and now we're seeing the same due to extremely poor ocean conditions the last 5 years or so. There was massive die-offs offish, seabirds, marine mammals, crab closures, extended razor clam closures, etc, all the way from the California Coast up into the Gulf of Alaska. Alaska and BC were also seeing a lot of unprecedented closures for salmonids in recent years...it wasn't just Kalifornia...or Oregon & Washington (like some of the naive attempt to place the "blame game" on "mismangement")...but the entire West Coast. When you hear of Swordfish being caught off Vancouver Island, BC...it's a little unnatural and not a good sign for salmonids. The ocean is the biggest factor across the board to salmon production, where most salmonids spend the majority of their lives. Regardless of what you do or what wild fish do...when you have an extremely hostile ocean with a lack of food and abnormal warm water predators in your part of the Pacific...you're going to witness what we saw in the 90's prior to record class returns in the 2000's and what we are seeing now. The Sacramento chinook migrate in an entirely different part of the Pacific than our PNW stocks do. With that said...seems I was hearing a lot of praise about the extraordinary chinook fishing down there in the Bay area this last year and much of the credit was given to California hatcheries trucking the smolts a couple hundred miles down river during the extreme drought knowing they would lose a high number of those smolt had they been released upriver due to predation, due to low, clear water conditions? Didn't see that mentioned in the video. Also...not all hatchery fish were created equal. Some hatchery fish have been highly manipulated over the decades and have been proven unfit to reproduce in the wild. Also...DNA testing has proven there are differences in many wild stocks and hatchery stocks. Someone mentioned "out of basin" hatchery stocks...ys a lot of that took place back in the day...back when it was thought "a fish is a fish". Also...when these peep's want to spread their pro hatchery propaganda...a common point they use..."they've been planting these hatchery fish for a hundred years"... Hatchery fish were not very significant or productive until the sometime during the 1960's after the advent of the OMP...due to the fact that hatchery fish programs had a very low survival rate due to what they were fed prior to the 1960's. This film was full of flaws due to the biased propaganda motives. There was some valid points presented...but for the most part it was pseudoscience...cafe science...bar stool biology. I'm just a fisherman and I do fish for both wild and hatchery fish and even after being in the fishing trade for close to 30 years...I did not sell-out to the almighty buck to sell out the value of wild fish.
@@dandettmann595 So how is "no fish returning to spawn" better than a hatchery fish returning to spawn? I've read the studies at OSU, talked to the professors and TA's in charge of those studies, and even they'll tell you that those studies are not 100% applicable to all rivers nor even all salmonids in any particular river. "proven unfit to reproduce in the wild" - so a fish that survives the ocean and makes its way to spawn is somehow unfit? Again, I've seen the studies - and you're overvaluing their statements. Not to mention, the returns speak for themselves. Let the fish spawn.
@@justintaylor4471...Not sure what you were asking regarding your first paragraph...maybe you can clarify that one for me. "No fish returning to spawn"? No fish...or depressed numbers of wild fish? "Proven unfit to reproduce in the wild"...exactly. For example...up here in SW Washington they have a highly manipulated hatchery winter steelhead...the Chambers Creek stock. They are an out of basin stock that originated in the Puget Sound. They had been manipulated for early run timing (December to approx mid January). Sure...if the hatcheries raise enough of them, you do get some to return...that doesn't make them a fit fish. When they do manage to successfully spawn in the wild, the progeny are very unsuccessful at surviving in the wild and do not return from their migration to and back from the ocean. The run timing for the wild winter steelhead is much later...more February, March and April run timing. After dumping thousands upon thousands of the hatchery Chambers Creek stock in rivers allover the state of Washington 50-70 or so years now...why is it you don't see adipose fin winter steelhead returning in December or as early as late November...just the clipped hatchery fish. Oregon has their own version of those early timed winter steelhead, the Alsea & Big Creek stocks. Same thin there in Oregon...they are very unsuccessful at reproducing in the wild...they are not a self sustaining hatchery fish that are well suited for the hatchery environment...but not the wild. So what happens when some of these inferior hatchery fish spawn with wild fish (introgression)? The progeny is not as fit as a WxW spawn...you reduce the fitness of any returning wild fish and the result is negative to the wild fish stocks. So I've seen the science and I've witnessed it in the rivers...as mentioned...a lack of the early component of winter steelhead...which is a very important component of the run. Historically December was a huge component of the wild winter steelhead returns throughout the state...but the run timing has been pushed way back since the state started introducing the early timed hatchery winter stock. They know this just by historical records by sports fishermen and tribal commercial records where they fish. There's a very interesting report on that and I'd be glad to look it up if you're interested. I have it on my computer but think it is available online. So, maybe that is the answer to your first question, "So how is "no fish returning to spawn" better than a hatchery fish returning to spawn?" Where wild stocks are depressed...added hatchery stocks depending on the genetics can negatively effect the wild stocks, especially if they are successful at spawning. The idea is to avoid that scenario so the wild fish can recover. On the other hand...I have seen a few examples of hatchery stocks that have proven successful at spawning and reproducing in the wild to the extent they appear to be self sustaining. One example is the local Cowlitz River...a very large basin. Since the mid to late 90's they have used Cowlitz River hatchery coho, spring chinook, fall chinook and winter steelhead to reintroduce wild stocks above the dams where there are no fish ladders. TPU/WDFW trap out migrating naturally produced smolt, they are given CWT's (coded wire tags) so that when they return they'll know where they were produced and the adult wild fish are trucked up to the upper Cowlitz or Tilton Arm and released. The naturally produced smolt which are trapped in smolt collectors are trucked down below the last dams and released and the returning adults are trucked up above the dams and released. As mentioned...they are all given CWT's when they are trapped as juveniles so they know where to release them when returning as adults...so that they will adapt to the different basins even though it is all part of the Cowlitz River. And they're having some pretty good results thus far...but it will likely be a long process to recovery...and TPU (Tacoma Power) will continue the process of the trap & haul programs. The early timed Chambers Creek winter steelhead stock has been eradicated to protect the lower Cowlitz wild winter steelhead. Some introgression from those hatchery fish did show up in the DNA testing and I'd imagine will weed itself out over time. Those Cowlitz wild winters are distinct from the hatchery winters and even distinct from the wild Toutle winter steelhead which is actually a large tributary of the lower Cowlitz River. "A fish is a fish" does not holdup when referring to salmonids. Unfortunately they did not know this during the early hatchery days and a lot of poor practices took place. The hatchery experiment failed...and they are trying to correct the mistakes and avoid the extinction of more diverse wild stocks...that is their job also. Were you aware that a hatchery coho smolt is raised to approx 3 times the size of a wild coho smolt to get and acceptable return out of them? They need a big size advantage to survive...they aren't as fit as you may think.
@@dandettmann595 1) "The run timing for the wild winter steelhead is much later...more February, March and April run timing. After dumping thousands upon thousands of the hatchery Chambers Creek stock in rivers allover the state of Washington 50-70 or so years now...why is it you don't see adipose fin winter steelhead returning in December or as early as late November...just the clipped hatchery fish." Because the ones that manage to spawn in the wild are now predisposed to natural conditions. The early run fish are coming back in Nov/Dec because that's when they were released - it's an artificial timing mechanism to get clipped runs at specific times. Where do you think the springer hatchery fish come from? Your argument that you are suggesting the hatchery fish that have successfully spawned should only come back in Dec/Nov as is an incorrect assumption. Yes, they made some very political mistakes, and they continue to make them. Due to the reduced spawning grounds, and poor water management, simple math says not as many wild fish can successfully spawn, which means not as many numbers produced, and then we have the same predators out there who are going to eat a larger percentage of the survivors which means even less fish return. And yes, I've seen the data on hatchery fish reproducing (a fairly low numbered study on a restricted river basin - faulted science IMHO. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true: when hatchery raised fish spawn with wild fish, there is a lower survival rate of the smolts. You solution: decrease hatchery fish. So you just reduced the available spawning fish. What if we do the opposite? Increase the hatchery fish so we get more numbers. More numbers means that even at the same predation rate or whatever else kills them - more adults return to spawn. When more adults return to spawn, we get more smolts (even at a reduced smolt survival rate, which I'm confident would breed itself out - a higher number of initial smolts for those fish that carry those genetics is going to have a higher probability of having more smolts surviving to adulthood to spawn again). That whole issue will weed itself out (if it's the case for all salmonids in all rivers, which hasn't even come close to being proven). As for your last point about hatchery coho and their release size. Perhaps we need to improve our hatcheries? Perhaps make them more like a wild habitat so the fish learn what predators are, and how to go about eating food. When we train them in a pool to eat garbage molasses cat food, what do you think the fish learn? They're released bigger to avoid smaller predators, in theory, and it seems to work to a point. Personally, I'd like to see them raise the fish with more wild qualities within the environment, and perhaps they should invest in that. But I'm not going to argue that they should do away with hatcheries and rely on wild fish alone - that's been proven NOT to work in today's world. To manage that, we need to provide access to historical spawning grounds, and maintain historical water flows and temps - and I'm fairly certain today's world can't sustain that. Dams are needed. Water is needed. I'd like us to find improved methods of harboring water and reutilizing the water that we get, but politics will see to it that doesn't happen. Of course, all of this is an insane discussion when we rule out oceanic conditions as the primary deciding factor in survival rates once they get to the ocean. But that's another argument, for another day. G' Night.
tbh hasn't been much of a drought just the state of California selling the water to LA and draining Folsom lake that would have been more then overfilled if they did not completely drain the lake. Notice the billion dollar project to add a second dam on Folsom lake to be able to drain even more water out of the spillways. It's an artificial drought to sell water for more then the price of gas!
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Beyond policy changes the past decade has seen the largest cultural shift away from the natural world. Fewer people value our fisheries today than 10 years ago and I would contribute a part of that to the fact that it is not be constantly being force-fed to people via social media nearly as much as other sociopolitical issues. The best solution I can come up with is for recreational fishermen, commercial fisherman, tribal fisherman, and conservation groups to unite in solidarity. I started my channel as grass roots way to bypass the fish management bureaucracy; enhancement projects for anglers, paid for by anglers.
i am curious about what the hrsg funding stream looks like. i do not believe that, outside of a missing adipose on 25% of a cohort, that there are any identifiable differences between a "wild" fish and a hatchery fish once it has gone to sea and returned. plainly it has genetic qualities that are superior to the fish, both wild and hatchery, that dont return to spawn.
Dan, The sacremanto River did have a better then average return, but no where near historic numbers, up to 1 million..I am sure most of this was due to a great, and healthy stock from Coleman hatchery. Dan you sound like one of those restoration guys, you pick one river out of many in California and think all of Calli is doing great, what about the other dozen rivers that had shit fishing.
Origin is important when hatchery fish return to spawn in the gravel. In basin genetics, and timing play a role in integrating hatchery into the wild spawning population.
man that sucks ! I used to fish those waters maybe 30 years years ago you could limit out in a couple of hours,it used to be be a good time time and a good place!1.................. MAN CAN REALLY SCREW UP ANYTHING!!! what a. shame
i wish you people would listen when someone tell you facts. these fish are not sold for profit. every fish that leaves a hatchery going to american canadian fisheries comes back as frozen boxed fillets that belong to emergency foodlink of california, to be distributed through foodbanks. this service is provided at ZERO cost to the state of california
The Government is Losing money if you don't continue to raise more fish in the hatcheries also let the fish spawn in the rivers naturally rebuild our hatchery infrastructure and learn to correct your mistakes, advance in technology.
The Quinault fishery is one if the best in the world. It’s normal to caught multiple 20+ lb steelhead on a single day. The natives that run these fish hatcheries have it figured out. If you ever get a chance to fish these river you will see that these guys are the real deal and the rest of the west coast should be following their lead
Couldn't agree with you more. I've seen it, experienced it. It completely contradicts the states take on commingling wild/hatchery fish. Brood stock. I'm with you, it works!
The problem mainly lies in the poor water quality do to run off and the lakes and oceans and rivers and creeks need to be at certain temperatures and many other things maybe the hatchery does not help but if you do the math not close to what the environment actually does to the salmon
Stop the legal fishing pressure on salmon. Humans are over fishing many species of ocean animals. At least by stopping or moving back on limits they can survive the pressure. Yes many will not make millions of dollars on this industry but it may be the answer. The sacrifice is worth the effort, don't you think. Another way is to stop buying salmon at stores. Do it before it's too late.
Let's talk about real issues commercial and tribal Fisheries up and down the coast do some research and see how many of those fish actually get picked off buy commercial Fisheries before they even reach the river in some cases it's up to 90% of a rivers run so the bottom line is it's greed
The hatchery and fisherman should stop period until population grows back.but its always about money at the end of the day for both sides.thats whats sad
the striped bass used to be a commercial fish and when they were, the salmon still ran up the rivers in good quantities. It is the CWRB and the money they make as well as CDFG that are decimating the salmon population with their stupid water rules
@@sg-mx4ii YOU SIR ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, common sense finally, which we dont have in California idiot democrats will destroy every state they run its happening now big time, for give me if I'm insulting anyone but its the damned truth and that comes first...in my world
Thank you for this very informative presentation on what's happened to our salmon in CA. This should be required watching in every school in the state. I have written letters to our local news paper saying a lot of the exact same things. Again, Thank you!
As a guide on the Southern Oregon Coast, I fully support the message this video presents.
If you use a drift boat. I'd say fine.
If not you're an azz.
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
EVERY RIVER in British Columbia managed by Minister of Environment and fisheries HAS BEEN DESTROYED
So it’s the hatcheries fault ?
Not lack of habitat and human influence ?
Wow I never knew that hatcheries did this . This was a eye opener for me . I wish I could’ve seen the salmon run at its best and hope I can some day in the future .
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
You can't sell people food or water unless you first take it away
I remember the Feather in the 60s and early 70s...the River would turn Dark Red with Salmon...you could walk over them back to back ...and the Steelhead fishing was spectacular....36,inch Steelhead were common under the green bridge in Oroville....
If you care...cull as many Squawfish as possible...sign a petition to fix the problem of Migrating Salmon getting sucked up into them delta pumps...
According to California Fish and Wildlife, Squaw fish is a native fish and won't kill them off.
Sewage leaks in SF Bay caused algae bloom killing 10,000s of fish and sea life (SF Chronicle). Now Norcal reservoirs like Nimbus Dam (down from Folsom) have their FLOODGATES open in order to flush the Bay. Floodgates open in September during a mega drought!!! Maybe fix the SF sewage issues???????!!!??
Soooo you're the reason it's crap now...
So much incompetence, so many lies. The Agriculture Industry wants nothing of value to thrive in any rivers so they are free to take as much water as they need to grow rice and wheat without regard to hatching smolts needing that cold fast water to hatch.
Coleman Hatchery, built on the most prolific spawning creek in California, Battle Creek, actually has a barrier across that creek to prevent any salmon from moving upriver to spawn naturally. Even after they have filled their "quota" of eggs they do not permit salmon up that once so prolific creek.
If only the guides and sportsman's associations could take over management of the hatcheries, thwart the efforts of big agriculture to kill off these noble fish.
This has ZERO to do with farm irrigation, and EVERYTHING to do with Fish and Wildlife MISMANAGEMENT!
No, it's farmers fighting for water rights and winning, all that needs to be said.
These guy are right that's part but did you here them say there selling are fish to Canada are license payed for those fish and the selling our FISH TO Canada!!!
That is totally off base! This has ZERO to do with farmers wanting water! It IS about total mismanagement of our Fish and Wildlife! SELLING the fish, rather then allowing them to SPAWN! Crimes Against Humanity, and Nature!
And Nor Cal sportsman association supports farmers .
I like that my license fees and tax dollars, go to those that take away the exact thing that those funds are allocated for.
this video is so honest, and sad. I remeber growing up in cali and when I was a kid in the 90s the salmon fishing was excellent and it declined as I got older. Moved to oregon and the same shit goes on up here. Political and private flawed agendas are hurting our fisheries up and down the west coast badly, we all need to be in this together, commercial and sport fishermen we are in this for the same thing
Correct
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
It’s almost as if they’re purposely running it into the ground to let the water go to agriculture
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
You are misinformed, watch the video, or are you paid to post misinformation???????? ZERO to do with irrigation water~
Dam they’re calling this “management”? What a shame. I fish in Washington and they’ve screwed us here too. 😡
I was born in Seattle, 1958. Fished all my life.
The Green/Duwamish river was always in the top ten steelhead producing rivers of the State.
Then it dwindled down to nothing.
Along with the run of Steelhead in the Cedar in Renton.
I moved to NorCal. I made the right move, dams are out on the Mighty Klamath. I made the right move.
This ISN'T just in California. It's coast-wide. I have argued that after over 100 years of hatchery operation, there is NO genetic difference between hatchery raised fish, and those that are of native origin. The myth of "wild salmon" is just that - a myth.
thats where my fishing licenses fee goes
I've fished ca for 50 years
I now won't by even a fishing license let alone any steelhead or anyother tags or stamps until they get this stighten out
Was telling my brother about this video. We live in puget sound and hsrg programs are a joke and was trying to explain to him what they do. Then remembered this video and this can’t be any clearer on the issue. There should be a video to recognize how hsrg programs/ lawsuits never helped puget sounds steelhead.
California used to show where the whole U.S. was headed. Now California shows where the whole U.S. already is.
Everybody needs to watch this.!
I live in WA. I've seen the Salmon River. The NUMBERS of steelhead that return to that river. Ran by the tribes. He's not wrong, go check it out, it's not bad, it's good, big fish, it proves brood stock works! It doesn't take a rocket scientist. I'm so frickin pissed right now, what WA has done with our fisheries. Not to mention our bottom fish in the sound, especially our summer steelhead that in my lifetime used to flourish. Watching schools upon schools of summer-run steelhead move up river in the 80's. The time is NOW!
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
Can you do a video on the death and killing of trout at 3 of the 4 trout fish hatcheries in the state of California and why this happened? The future of trout plants for the state? Ways the fishermen can help? Can King salmon be substituted for trout in some lakes planted? Is there a way we can increase the amount of hatcheries in California? Since the population is growing more the the resources in California what can be done to improve trout populations? Thanks I think you can expand on this and let me know where I can send a dollar!!!!!!!!!!!
Under the radar fisherman unite to restore a salmon run.
SO MUCH FOR THE TIRADE OF ALARM... I had no idea that American Canadian Was so Far reaching..They buy fish for pennies on the dollar in Washington as well. Fisheries on the Whole west coast are being run the Same!!! We don't need 100 non profits fishing groups sounding their own form of alarm...We need Coastal Conversation assn, Puget Anglers Anglers Assn, Twin Harbors Assn and other Larger fishing groups.. As well at the Large Tackle providers, Guides, Charters, and Fishing resort towns all over the West Coast... To join forces to stop the theft of our fishing resources, and to rebuild our hatchery infrastructure.. We can't do it individually or try to fight for the last fish...I hope it isn't to late...FIGHT FOR IT, THEY WON'T GIVE IT BACK TO YOU WITH NICE TALK..
Would fish numbers increase if the ladders failed to operate?
It's almost like the hatcheries want the native salmon population to die off so they have all the supply which will increase the demand. I always thought hatcheries we're there to restock the fish. I live in NH and. Pretty sure our hatcheries stock all the rivers and lakes. This video is two years old I wonder if anything has gotten better. Knowing California it's most likely gotten worse.
Omg crying right now
After watching all the fanfare and self back-patting of the Nimbus Hatchery upgrade things just didn't sit right and felt omitted. Thanks for this investigative work. And of course it smells of a government operation - the science, methods, incentives etc. get warped.
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
There needs to be a study commissioned by, and conducted by an independent organization, without any anticipated gain or loss or predetermined belief that would bias the results of the study.
The studies results should include what is best for the environment as well as a study that takes into consideration for what benefits the local population and national population. Environmental advocacy groups are not unbiased sources of information.
Not only that, but commercial fishermen in the ocean are totally destroying what goes out there and sealions get what comes back.
I don't see how one small baby salmon can even make it to the salt chuck.
SPOT ON.
I worked on a salmon restoration project up in Mendocino put together by the department of fish and game . I think there got be some way to get the hatcheries to open there eyes and stop selling the fish that we need in are rivers .
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
Well, ag is such a large business that if one takes away the sport fishery then you have to buy from another ag biz which is corporate fish farming, at the end of this whole boondoggle is we are at the whim of corporate farms and a new corporation is formed. Sad so sad.
I remember the american river in the late 90s-mid 00s was PACKED with Salmon, You'd see dozens and dozens of them everywhere you look, Now those same spots are ghost towns. They have completely ruined Salmon
we gotta fix this ! Those hatchery fish are just as natural as the other fish maybe even better because they have multiple fathers instead of one ,but genetic diversity is healthy!
I don't think salmon were ever supposed to spawn that low in the watershed. They were all supposed to go above the dams. Since they can't jump the dams, the hatcheries were built. You can't ever get what you used to with the dams in their way.
In 1879 stripe bass were introduced to California and are now in evasive species, eating salmon smoltz on their way to the ocean. As an evasive species they should be treated as such with no catch limit and a commercial use.
My takeaway from this video is
Agricultural interests are not concerned about the damage done by the pumps at cliften court forbay
And the NorCal Sportsman’s association supports these farmers
Hatcheries are in place to mitigate the lose of spawning habitat that was lost when the dams were put in.
Look back a few generations, hatchery fish come from wild fish, they are 99% genetically the same.
The only difference between hatchery and wild fish is the short time that the hatchery fish spends in the rearing ponds in the hatchery.
After that they both spend the rest of their lives doing the same thing, getting down stream, to the ocean, spend about 2, 3, or 4 years in the ocean, do exactly the same thing as a wild fish would do then return to the river of their birth, some at the hatchery, some in the main stem of the river.
I can not think of one major river that has been restored to pre dam numbers by only restoring wild fish. This is 2020, more people, more water diversion, drought, who ever thinks that trying to restore wild fish while not using a hatchery, should get ready to fish in a river with no fish in it in about ten years.
I have guided on the Trinity River for the last 30 years. All the comments by the guides are accurate, they know. At least they did not have sit around and watch Trinity River Restoration Program spend 15 years and 250 million tax payers dollars to kill their river. This is what it breaks down to, in the long run, guides do it for the love of the game, government love of the money.
Money and power.
Get rid of all guides. You commercialize fishing.
To Cam Guides help people learn to fish enjoy the outdoors. We don’t commercialize the fish we give back.
Speaking of commercialization how are Nike and Levi’s fitting, might need to get one of the really cool pair of waders so you can think you are a fisherman, once you get good enough at your hobby you might be good enough to be a guide. But with that shit attitude I doubt it. Best stick with you lame day job, probably fit you better anyway. But there’s always hope.
Guides. Love of the game ?
I should video guides and post it. All their greedy behavior.
From the Cowlitz to the outlet of the Feather river. I've seen it time again. Guides running over bank fishermens hooked fish.
It's a war out there on rivers. Bank fishermen against guides.
Two mind sets.
Some greedy for tips others fishing for fun.
@@liamgogan476 with such immature comments I must have busted your fragile ego.
Guides deplete fish stocks.
Example. Customer reels in a prime venerable anadromous fish.
The guide wants to fill his written quota, and the guide whips up expectations, so no conservation efforts.
His only effort is to fill a creel.
Example. While fishing the Satsop river I hooked and landed a 25 pound or so hen Chinook in her prime.
It was legal to keep but I choose to release the fish for future propagation.
A few months later I hooked and landed 11 steelhead in the same hole.
Didn't keep any hens. Only one buck.
Now if a guide was fishing this hole, he would have filled his quota and limited his boat and hurried back with another set of customers. Limited them too.
This is how guides work the rivers. Especially during steelhead runs.
No conservation efforts.
Most fishermen I know now selectively fish.
Guides don't.
This actually made me cry.
Has this improved at all in the last 2 years?
I support this videos point. As to the regards to this …it’s problem and should be fixed !!! I know it’s hard But why not shit down the season for a year maybe two let the numbers recover!!!
Season was closed this year 2023
And for you Californians...you might read this.
I didn't see much of this factual info covered in this documentary...including the big upswing in chinook numbers down in the Bay area.
Why are the commercials (ocean troll fleet) allowed to catch so many chinook out in the sale if things are so bad?
You'll read about your area, poor numbers in recent years to some excellent fishing last year (2019), how the El Nino's effected the depressed salmon returns along with drought, drought, drought.
And mention of the rest of the west coast where climate change is responsible for salmon die-offs in Alaskan rivers due to warm water, etc.
California Sails Toward Biggest Salmon Harvest in Years
www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2019-08-22/off-the-hook-california-king-salmon-rebounds-after-drought
Dan Dettmann the salmon fishing in the ocean is a mix of of different states salmon. Not only CA salmon
This is exactly why the runs keep getting worse... Ya there might be a good run here and there but its nothing to what it could be. There should be good runs every year. Even on a bad warm ocean time period there still should be decent amount of salmon. Instead of arguing with seasoned guides and fishermen and making the problem worse, we should work with them to create better salmon returns
The last few years the hatcheries have been dumping fish in the ocean and bays, thus negating the 100 mile journey the little guys need to go and avoid all the predators along the way. With these ocean releases you get a much higher survival rate, and consequently more fish. Because of these hatcheries the Bay Area has seen incredible salmon fishing the last few years, whereas the north coast (by Eureka for example) this year in 2020 with the very low numbers of fish in the Klamath River especially, you see low numbers of ocean caught fish.
The Klamath River is all wild fish, (I think...maaaybe the hatchery in Lewiston does Kings but I’m not sure) and so is the Eel, Smith, and Mad rivers up there. Thus without hatcheries you get a good deal of variation in terms of the run, as it is heavily reliant on good water conditions when the fish spawn. Along with that all those rivers have seen dwindling numbers of salmon though the years and some of those north coast rivers (Eel and Mad for example) you cannot keep any salmon you catch in those bodies of water.
As a CA life long hunter, I no longer purchase a hunting license nor hunt in this pathetic state. It is an urban state with urban priorities and the game management has run off the hunters in the last few decades, from the ban on lead bullets, less tags, ammo restrictions, you name it. There used to be great deer hunting here but no longer. Another example of democrat control that turns everything to crap.
Because of the lack of hunters bucks are coming into our front yards eating grass and apple trees.
I have pictures to prove it.
This is a very sad thing to see I have lived no more that 15 min away from the American river for 33 years on the water alot now look they are reconstructing the fish ladder at nimbus to capture more kings now
What a waste that shit is. They work so slow.
What's more important water for rice farming or salmon?
What?
And trout are a native specie not all !! With all the studies on some lakes I know of and the management of trout in these lake's I have not seen improvement and when limits were 10 I use to catch 10 , when limits are 5 I use to catch 5 ,now limits are 5 I feel good catching 3 and that's if I'm lucky. Why haven't we figured out how many young trout are needed to put into a lake and put that many fish in a lake and let them grow in the lake and limit the amount of trout planted and could cut back on the trout hatcheries and use the hatcheries for supplemental planting? This has probably already been figured out. Can you imagine the saving of money, gas,and manpower which could cut taxes and save!!!!!! What a dream!
working at an rcd in nor cal i get to see first hand how hard it is to reason with these 'scientists' and ologists
Great job guys!
If we want to save the salmon, keep hatcheries programs going but we need to stop salmon fishing for a ten year period and see what happens you might be surprised. I have fished for salmon for over 40 years and have seen a lot so the stopping of fishing for a period of time is worth a try. To many guides now days are not helping salmon .
I wonder how much the drought had to do with declining fish population. I've seen its effect in other watersheds. I'm not one to play the "Blame Game" .
This is a propaganda video with a lot of disinformation and a one-sided, lack of science & facts view portrayed by mostly people who exploit these fish for the almighty dollar.
Yes...prolonged severe droughts have a very negative effect on salmonids.
Record high water temperatures have a significant negative effect on salmonids...both the juveniles and adults.
Record poor ocean conditions like was saw in the 90's El Nino years and again a repeat during the 2015-2017 time frame this time with an unprecedented warm water "blob"...the worst ocean conditions on record.
So up here in Washington state we saw severely depressed runs during the mid to late 90's El Nino periods and now we're seeing the same due to extremely poor ocean conditions the last 5 years or so.
There was massive die-offs offish, seabirds, marine mammals, crab closures, extended razor clam closures, etc, all the way from the California Coast up into the Gulf of Alaska.
Alaska and BC were also seeing a lot of unprecedented closures for salmonids in recent years...it wasn't just Kalifornia...or Oregon & Washington (like some of the naive attempt to place the "blame game" on "mismangement")...but the entire West Coast.
When you hear of Swordfish being caught off Vancouver Island, BC...it's a little unnatural and not a good sign for salmonids.
The ocean is the biggest factor across the board to salmon production, where most salmonids spend the majority of their lives.
Regardless of what you do or what wild fish do...when you have an extremely hostile ocean with a lack of food and abnormal warm water predators in your part of the Pacific...you're going to witness what we saw in the 90's prior to record class returns in the 2000's and what we are seeing now.
The Sacramento chinook migrate in an entirely different part of the Pacific than our PNW stocks do.
With that said...seems I was hearing a lot of praise about the extraordinary chinook fishing down there in the Bay area this last year and much of the credit was given to California hatcheries trucking the smolts a couple hundred miles down river during the extreme drought knowing they would lose a high number of those smolt had they been released upriver due to predation, due to low, clear water conditions?
Didn't see that mentioned in the video.
Also...not all hatchery fish were created equal.
Some hatchery fish have been highly manipulated over the decades and have been proven unfit to reproduce in the wild.
Also...DNA testing has proven there are differences in many wild stocks and hatchery stocks.
Someone mentioned "out of basin" hatchery stocks...ys a lot of that took place back in the day...back when it was thought "a fish is a fish".
Also...when these peep's want to spread their pro hatchery propaganda...a common point they use..."they've been planting these hatchery fish for a hundred years"...
Hatchery fish were not very significant or productive until the sometime during the 1960's after the advent of the OMP...due to the fact that hatchery fish programs had a very low survival rate due to what they were fed prior to the 1960's.
This film was full of flaws due to the biased propaganda motives.
There was some valid points presented...but for the most part it was pseudoscience...cafe science...bar stool biology.
I'm just a fisherman and I do fish for both wild and hatchery fish and even after being in the fishing trade for close to 30 years...I did not sell-out to the almighty buck to sell out the value of wild fish.
@@dandettmann595 So how is "no fish returning to spawn" better than a hatchery fish returning to spawn? I've read the studies at OSU, talked to the professors and TA's in charge of those studies, and even they'll tell you that those studies are not 100% applicable to all rivers nor even all salmonids in any particular river.
"proven unfit to reproduce in the wild" - so a fish that survives the ocean and makes its way to spawn is somehow unfit? Again, I've seen the studies - and you're overvaluing their statements. Not to mention, the returns speak for themselves. Let the fish spawn.
@@justintaylor4471...Not sure what you were asking regarding your first paragraph...maybe you can clarify that one for me.
"No fish returning to spawn"?
No fish...or depressed numbers of wild fish?
"Proven unfit to reproduce in the wild"...exactly.
For example...up here in SW Washington they have a highly manipulated hatchery winter steelhead...the Chambers Creek stock.
They are an out of basin stock that originated in the Puget Sound.
They had been manipulated for early run timing (December to approx mid January).
Sure...if the hatcheries raise enough of them, you do get some to return...that doesn't make them a fit fish.
When they do manage to successfully spawn in the wild, the progeny are very unsuccessful at surviving in the wild and do not return from their migration to and back from the ocean.
The run timing for the wild winter steelhead is much later...more February, March and April run timing.
After dumping thousands upon thousands of the hatchery Chambers Creek stock in rivers allover the state of Washington 50-70 or so years now...why is it you don't see adipose fin winter steelhead returning in December or as early as late November...just the clipped hatchery fish.
Oregon has their own version of those early timed winter steelhead, the Alsea & Big Creek stocks.
Same thin there in Oregon...they are very unsuccessful at reproducing in the wild...they are not a self sustaining hatchery fish that are well suited for the hatchery environment...but not the wild.
So what happens when some of these inferior hatchery fish spawn with wild fish (introgression)?
The progeny is not as fit as a WxW spawn...you reduce the fitness of any returning wild fish and the result is negative to the wild fish stocks.
So I've seen the science and I've witnessed it in the rivers...as mentioned...a lack of the early component of winter steelhead...which is a very important component of the run.
Historically December was a huge component of the wild winter steelhead returns throughout the state...but the run timing has been pushed way back since the state started introducing the early timed hatchery winter stock.
They know this just by historical records by sports fishermen and tribal commercial records where they fish.
There's a very interesting report on that and I'd be glad to look it up if you're interested.
I have it on my computer but think it is available online.
So, maybe that is the answer to your first question, "So how is "no fish returning to spawn" better than a hatchery fish returning to spawn?"
Where wild stocks are depressed...added hatchery stocks depending on the genetics can negatively effect the wild stocks, especially if they are successful at spawning.
The idea is to avoid that scenario so the wild fish can recover.
On the other hand...I have seen a few examples of hatchery stocks that have proven successful at spawning and reproducing in the wild to the extent they appear to be self sustaining.
One example is the local Cowlitz River...a very large basin.
Since the mid to late 90's they have used Cowlitz River hatchery coho, spring chinook, fall chinook and winter steelhead to reintroduce wild stocks above the dams where there are no fish ladders.
TPU/WDFW trap out migrating naturally produced smolt, they are given CWT's (coded wire tags) so that when they return they'll know where they were produced and the adult wild fish are trucked up to the upper Cowlitz or Tilton Arm and released.
The naturally produced smolt which are trapped in smolt collectors are trucked down below the last dams and released and the returning adults are trucked up above the dams and released.
As mentioned...they are all given CWT's when they are trapped as juveniles so they know where to release them when returning as adults...so that they will adapt to the different basins even though it is all part of the Cowlitz River.
And they're having some pretty good results thus far...but it will likely be a long process to recovery...and TPU (Tacoma Power) will continue the process of the trap & haul programs.
The early timed Chambers Creek winter steelhead stock has been eradicated to protect the lower Cowlitz wild winter steelhead.
Some introgression from those hatchery fish did show up in the DNA testing and I'd imagine will weed itself out over time.
Those Cowlitz wild winters are distinct from the hatchery winters and even distinct from the wild Toutle winter steelhead which is actually a large tributary of the lower Cowlitz River.
"A fish is a fish" does not holdup when referring to salmonids.
Unfortunately they did not know this during the early hatchery days and a lot of poor practices took place.
The hatchery experiment failed...and they are trying to correct the mistakes and avoid the extinction of more diverse wild stocks...that is their job also.
Were you aware that a hatchery coho smolt is raised to approx 3 times the size of a wild coho smolt to get and acceptable return out of them?
They need a big size advantage to survive...they aren't as fit as you may think.
@@dandettmann595 1) "The run timing for the wild winter steelhead is much later...more February, March and April run timing.
After dumping thousands upon thousands of the hatchery Chambers Creek stock in rivers allover the state of Washington 50-70 or so years now...why is it you don't see adipose fin winter steelhead returning in December or as early as late November...just the clipped hatchery fish."
Because the ones that manage to spawn in the wild are now predisposed to natural conditions. The early run fish are coming back in Nov/Dec because that's when they were released - it's an artificial timing mechanism to get clipped runs at specific times. Where do you think the springer hatchery fish come from? Your argument that you are suggesting the hatchery fish that have successfully spawned should only come back in Dec/Nov as is an incorrect assumption.
Yes, they made some very political mistakes, and they continue to make them. Due to the reduced spawning grounds, and poor water management, simple math says not as many wild fish can successfully spawn, which means not as many numbers produced, and then we have the same predators out there who are going to eat a larger percentage of the survivors which means even less fish return. And yes, I've seen the data on hatchery fish reproducing (a fairly low numbered study on a restricted river basin - faulted science IMHO. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true: when hatchery raised fish spawn with wild fish, there is a lower survival rate of the smolts. You solution: decrease hatchery fish. So you just reduced the available spawning fish. What if we do the opposite? Increase the hatchery fish so we get more numbers. More numbers means that even at the same predation rate or whatever else kills them - more adults return to spawn. When more adults return to spawn, we get more smolts (even at a reduced smolt survival rate, which I'm confident would breed itself out - a higher number of initial smolts for those fish that carry those genetics is going to have a higher probability of having more smolts surviving to adulthood to spawn again). That whole issue will weed itself out (if it's the case for all salmonids in all rivers, which hasn't even come close to being proven).
As for your last point about hatchery coho and their release size. Perhaps we need to improve our hatcheries? Perhaps make them more like a wild habitat so the fish learn what predators are, and how to go about eating food. When we train them in a pool to eat garbage molasses cat food, what do you think the fish learn? They're released bigger to avoid smaller predators, in theory, and it seems to work to a point. Personally, I'd like to see them raise the fish with more wild qualities within the environment, and perhaps they should invest in that. But I'm not going to argue that they should do away with hatcheries and rely on wild fish alone - that's been proven NOT to work in today's world. To manage that, we need to provide access to historical spawning grounds, and maintain historical water flows and temps - and I'm fairly certain today's world can't sustain that. Dams are needed. Water is needed. I'd like us to find improved methods of harboring water and reutilizing the water that we get, but politics will see to it that doesn't happen.
Of course, all of this is an insane discussion when we rule out oceanic conditions as the primary deciding factor in survival rates once they get to the ocean. But that's another argument, for another day. G' Night.
tbh hasn't been much of a drought just the state of California selling the water to LA and draining Folsom lake that would have been more then overfilled if they did not completely drain the lake. Notice the billion dollar project to add a second dam on Folsom lake to be able to drain even more water out of the spillways. It's an artificial drought to sell water for more then the price of gas!
So glad I get to live and fish here in Alaska, we are so spoiled up here, fortunate to still have the healthiest fisheries left on earth.
Do you eat Chums?
@@cammontreuil7509 hell no! Crapiest tasting salmon here in Alaska! You obviously don’t live here!😳🤪🤣
@@troyottosen8722 plenty of dogs in Alaska.
@@cammontreuil7509 and you said what, besides nothing! Keep dreaming if Alaska, ignorant one, while I actually see Alaska daily!!!😳Still wanna talk shit about our Alaska? You ignorant, clueless, punk?😳🤪😆
If Alaska isn't careful, same shits going to happen. Look at the Nushagak, Kenai. Aren't they having low low returns a few years now, or ago?
Beyond policy changes the past decade has seen the largest cultural shift away from the natural world. Fewer people value our fisheries today than 10 years ago and I would contribute a part of that to the fact that it is not be constantly being force-fed to people via social media nearly as much as other sociopolitical issues. The best solution I can come up with is for recreational fishermen, commercial fisherman, tribal fisherman, and conservation groups to unite in solidarity. I started my channel as grass roots way to bypass the fish management bureaucracy; enhancement projects for anglers, paid for by anglers.
Yours is the only way.
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
i am curious about what the hrsg funding stream looks like. i do not believe that, outside of a missing adipose on 25% of a cohort, that there are any identifiable differences between a "wild" fish and a hatchery fish once it has gone to sea and returned. plainly it has genetic qualities that are superior to the fish, both wild and hatchery, that dont return to spawn.
State geta more tax money from AG than from salmon.
Dan,
The sacremanto River did have a better then average return, but no where near historic numbers, up to 1 million..I am sure most of this was due to a great, and healthy stock from Coleman hatchery. Dan you sound like one of those restoration guys, you pick one river out of many in California and think all of Calli is doing great, what about the other dozen rivers that had shit fishing.
This video should be promoted more... Need more then 34k to get the message out
More fish spawning in the gravel naturally, create more genetic diversity regardless of origin. We need more fish period
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
Origin is important when hatchery fish return to spawn in the gravel.
In basin genetics, and timing play a role in integrating hatchery into the wild spawning population.
What has man done again, this video is 4 years old , have things changed
Depressing
Yep.
Terrible government absolutely horrible!
man that sucks ! I used to fish those waters maybe 30 years years ago you could limit out in a couple of hours,it used to be be a good time time and a good place!1.................. MAN CAN REALLY SCREW UP ANYTHING!!! what a. shame
i wish you people would listen when someone tell you facts. these fish are not sold for profit. every fish that leaves a hatchery going to american canadian fisheries comes back as frozen boxed fillets that belong to emergency foodlink of california, to be distributed through foodbanks. this service is provided at ZERO cost to the state of california
COULD IT BE FUKUSHIMA MOLTEN REACTORS LIKE KEVIN BLANCH CLAIMS.?
How can I help?
Find a tributary to enhance.
Thank you for the support and spread the word. We need raise more fish.
Maybe need to remove the HSRG! Government needs to be removed from the equation.
Democrats hate salmon hatcheries, here in Washington they continue to reduce plant numbers. Rivers are ruined over the last 10 years.
The Government is Losing money if you don't continue to raise more fish in the hatcheries also let the fish spawn in the rivers naturally rebuild our hatchery infrastructure and learn to correct your mistakes, advance in technology.
The Quinault fishery is one if the best in the world. It’s normal to caught multiple 20+ lb steelhead on a single day. The natives that run these fish hatcheries have it figured out. If you ever get a chance to fish these river you will see that these guys are the real deal and the rest of the west coast should be following their lead
Couldn't agree with you more. I've seen it, experienced it. It completely contradicts the states take on commingling wild/hatchery fish. Brood stock.
I'm with you, it works!
The problem mainly lies in the poor water quality do to run off and the lakes and oceans and rivers and creeks need to be at certain temperatures and many other things maybe the hatchery does not help but if you do the math not close to what the environment actually does to the salmon
Stop the legal fishing pressure on salmon. Humans are over fishing many species of ocean animals. At least by stopping or moving back on limits they can survive the pressure. Yes many will not make millions of dollars on this industry but it may be the answer. The sacrifice is worth the effort, don't you think. Another way is to stop buying salmon at stores. Do it before it's too late.
Let's talk about real issues commercial and tribal Fisheries up and down the coast do some research and see how many of those fish actually get picked off buy commercial Fisheries before they even reach the river in some cases it's up to 90% of a rivers run so the bottom line is it's greed
The hatchery and fisherman should stop period until population grows back.but its always about money at the end of the day for both sides.thats whats sad
GET THE SCIENCE OUT NOW .LET it happen naturally you fools.
something has to happen with these salmon no doubt.
Can't wait to see all the non-native stripped bass depleted should help the salmon population greatly!
the striped bass used to be a commercial fish and when they were, the salmon still ran up the rivers in good quantities. It is the CWRB and the money they make as well as CDFG that are decimating the salmon population with their stupid water rules
BEST EATING FISH OUT THERE better then salmon IMO
@@sg-mx4ii YOU SIR ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, common sense finally, which we dont have in California idiot democrats will destroy every state they run its happening now big time, for give me if I'm insulting anyone but its the damned truth and that comes first...in my world
Thanks to democrats who have never been fishing!!