The Downfall of Bungie | How Activision destroyed their Destiny
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ธ.ค. 2017
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Well, this is a bit depressing. Bungie used to be my idols, now they're up there with the gaming's biggest villains.
Watching my favorite developer turn from heroes to villains has been sad, and recent events pushed my thoughts over the edge so much that I had to finally make a video on them...
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Hey guys, this was another one of those 'passion project' videos that I poured a tonne of love and effort into, so if you enjoy a like + comment will go a long way :) Merry Christmas guys!
This is sad man, I miss the good old halo 1,2,3 days
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I agree. I loved halo 3 and combat evolved especially the music
I didn't even realize Bungie made Destiny. Makes me hate the game more to think it's the successor to Halo...
HiddenXperia - The home of Halo 5 lore videos! Keep doing what you do brother!
Great video my dude. Could feel your passion for it. I felt like I could start seeing their downfall back with reach. I don't know what it was but it seemed that they were becoming more arrogant and less receptive to fans. *sigh*
When noble six’s visor cracked so did bungie
So sad but true
Bungie never died... they just hid out in a cave until activision was gone
@@killerkitten7534 What you did there. I see it.
Derpy Hooves lmao best I’ve seen on the internet today. Few people will remember this type of shit.
@@killerkitten7534 bingie is missing in action
Activison=flood.
Darth Vader wrong bungie got corrupted and turned into the flood
The Flood is interesting and something we want. We can't say the same about Activision.
The ever consuming parasite. Not sure who fits that description more, Activi$ion or EA
+Joseph Senatus actually bungie has been effected by the logic plague.
At least the flood are cool
The Bungie who made Destiny isn’t the Bungie that made Halo, remember that.
yea , core members already left or terminated when they cant recognizing where there team is lead to
@@asteriskalliance7730 I looked into it most were rehired by 343
@@vikingboss807 really? I didn't know that
@@jfc6132 Yep, Joe Staten is back as lead director. Honestly when I heard that news a while back I crapped my pants 'cause if we got core members of the halo development team back at work then this game is gonna be fucking phenomenal
@@ajgumpper and indeed it’s shaping to be the best halo 🥺
It would be great if EA and Activision formed a merger and then went out of business the next day.
JLock17 god wonder what the games would be like...
@@grandmawithagun1919 we'd have games as revolutionary as half life 1 every year
JLock17 if they work together I'm pretty sure it's gonna be like oh you want to open up the game OK 80 bucks oh you want to level up it's only 200 bucks oh you the loading screens it's 20 bucks don't worry we're just gonna take money away from you without you noticing
they are destined for eachother
Yup
Marty: "When Activision learns of this, they'll have your head!"
Bungie: "When they learn? Fool... They ORDERED me to do it."
HavocKing117 perfect😂
A classical fitting quote, absolutely beautiful
Fucking beautiful
and then at the end marty joins 343 and defeats bungie with halo infinite, just like in halo 2
Bro this is gold! LMFAO
“Microsoft was too controlling” joins activision
Deserves to be a meme
it would be like someone saying "my parents were too strict" *joins the Nazi party*
My broken leg was inconvenient so I cut it off
@@nou8257 no
yea, bungie did this to themselves
It’s just like that old saying:
You either Die a Hero, or Live long enough to see yourself become a Villain.
Here’s hoping the next years away from activision will help them in the long run
Already has
@@maxwall2512 Ah yes, removing half the game's content that people already paid for. Clearly, an improvement.
@@jackganger-spivak5160 late reply but that content was stuff a lot of people complained about and had already done. And the game is soo much better
@@jackganger-spivak5160 the content is way better than forsaken by a tiny bit. Lovely story better than halo infinite right now.
@@Rezesko agreed to a extent, game’s shit right now. It takes a little imagination and some maturity to get through But @Night-wanderer, are you TheShadow from Bungie. 😂
I am someone with 6000 hours on destiny 2. I have played the halo reach campaign once recently and I can immediately say that Halo: Reach has more importance and worth to me than destiny 2
That's actually kind of profound. One is made with passion, one is made with money dollars, you can immediately feel the difference
You'll never get that time back
@@spacedoge6540 and i dont want it back
halo sucks
@@reggielacey2235 go okay Apex Legends kiddo
"You either die a hero. Or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"...
That reminds me of Star Wars when Anakin led the whole clone army against he Jedi
343s Cortana Arc
Bungie.
That's a perfect quote.
I fucking hate that this actually applies.
Funny to think Microsoft has done more good for Bungie then Bungie has done for themselves with Destiny.
Great video, lad. I really enjoyed it!
But its not all Bungie's fault. They are in a 10 year agreement with Activation so I assume there is a lot of string pulling involved
tharaka1997 Bullshit. Blaming Activision only goes so far before some (or a lot) of it has to be chalked up to Bungie's greed, arrogance, and incompetence because of that arrogance.
Thanks man! Yeah it's really ironic, everyone always rags on Microsoft for being so bad but they really aren't. EA and Activision completely eclipse anything they've done. Come to think of it, Microsoft as a publisher have never done anything shady as far as I can remember, aside from microtransactions but that's sadly an industry norm now.
HiddenXperia surely if Microsoft was such a respecting publisher Bungie wouldn’t have felt the need to leave. I’m not entirely sure why the felt they needed to leave Microsoft, whether it was to become a cross-platform dev, or feel like they had their own freedom (ironic, because they ended up in the hands of Activision)
I can’t help but feel Bungie were caught between a rock and a hard place. It would make sense that if Bungie stayed with Microsoft then they’d only be making Halo games, and it seems Bungie were getting tired of the franchise.
If that’s the case it’s a tragedy. Truth is, some of the best publishers to work for are the console ones, because they care far more for quality over financial gain.
Le Magnifique Link I think it's due to the restriction of not being able to hit both platforms at the same time as Microsoft is a direct competitor to Sony. Ironically , Activision didn't let them hit the Xbox market in return with Destiney 1. They also fucked up by signing a 10 year contract which gives Activision all the time they need/want to take em out back and do the same thing EA does and kills the company.
Bungie leaves Activision:
Master chief: *happy master chief noises*
ahh i see your a man of culture aswell
@@aslanbeats2004 he is
@@fndsfflamer1549 you just replied to a 2 year old comment
@@aslanbeats2004 okay and?
Now they are under sony
"Depressed Spartan voice"
What's funny about this video, is that it was revealed after Destiny 2 launch, was that all these fuck ups, everything about destiny 1, the stuff held back and resold as DLC, throwing away the story and rebooting it, was actually all Bungies managers / higher ups, not Activision
Even more ironic, is Activision is actually responsible for the few things that Destiny did do right like Taken King, and actually went against rebooting the story, and was getting frustrated with Bungie for their constant failures nor did they actually push microtransactions, Bungie did. Also Bungie didn't "leave Activision to do better things and leave their control" but Activision basically kicked them out. LMAO
alfredo trinidad dang, that’s a twist.
What a twist. That’s very twisty..
Pickachu
As a wise man once said:
"Daammnnnnnnn"
Well the whole thing with Marty O’Donnell and getting his music taken out of the game was Activision. Bungie were the ones that fired him.
Source?
You were my brother Bungie! You swore to destroy the corporate practices, not join them!
Bungie: I hate you!!!!!
Bring balance to videogames! Not leave them in darkness!
Players: Bungie, I have the high ground!
Bungie: You under estimate my power!!!
lol
THEY'RE FINALLY FREE!!!!!!!! GOODBYEEEEE ACTIVISION!!!!!!!!!
Yasssss 1st
*FREEDOM!!!*
You should do a video about this news soon. It's a damn *MIRACLE*!!!
I know such good news
Fuck Activision
Bungie is like that one awesome uncle you had when you were growing up and now that you are older he has changed in a negative way and is no longer what they used to be
I have an uncle who's EXACTLY like that.
Except that uncle was always that way, it is you that changes and realizes that they aren't cool....
@@Jadiaz-ev9hm Why?
Why what? As we get older we start seeing the flaws we glossed over as a kid. That uncle was never cool, we were just to dumb to realize it.
@@Jadiaz-ev9hm Sorry for not making myself clearer, I meant: since when did Bungie become bad? Because I never thought they were THAT bad when they made Marathon and Halo CE-3 ODST (no, I'm not from the 1990s).
What's sad about this is it's now 2020, and this video is STILL relevant because D2 even after Bungie got away from Activision has not improved much at all. It seems they've picked up almost all of Activisions bad habits. Depressing
Yes but activision ruined core things about the game that can't be "fixed" post launch. It will take either Destiny 3 or a new IP to redeem themselves and most likely a new IP sadly because Destiny's story can't be fixed
@@Hybred wonder how you're feeling now pal
@@abyssosque wdym
@@Hybred 2 words, witch queen
“Don’t confuse the the golden egg for the goose that laid it. Be nice to the goose.” - Marty O’Donnell
Drew Taylor u have 2 the's
they ground themself into dust and the dust got corrupted
NoStepOnSneek lol the flood is new bungie
NoStepOnSneek lolol
*inhales*
_GLASS_
"One single spore can destroy a company!"
Did you not hear? Your game is doomed. A Publisher army, a Activison, has you in its sights! You barely survived Microsoft!
They haven't changed even since they separated from Activision sadly bungie is just a husk from his golden age
They have definitely changed a bit. They are actually telling a story now. Which is good. Your point is still valid tho. But they have demonstrated a better destiny without activision. It’s just not as thick
Reference?
@@kregadeth5562 and yo compensate they are removing all the dlc you paid for from the first 2 years of the game, 1 step forward, 10 steps back
I know Bungie has been free from Activision for a while now, but I tend to think about this video whenever I hear people complain about 343. Sure, 343 has historically screwed up Halo A LOT, but can you imagine if Bungie kept their rights to halo when they left for Activision? Dear god, it would make Halo 5s story look like the masterpiece of our time.
Yeah tbh I'm glad Microsoft actually saved halo surprisingly Because bungie today would destroy Halo
@@Sgt.ArchDornan microsoft has a habit of buying something, running it to the ground, only for their subsidiaries to do good afterwards.
@@honkhonk8009 yeah microsoft are reedeming themselves
I imagined Halo but with Vanguard's plot if Activision got rights to it which makes me sick
But imagine if bungie never left microsoft and decided to keep doing Halo, it would be way better than 343's
“Your heresy shall stay your feet, and you shall be left behind.”
Major Thesk Prophet of Truth Halo 2
Were it so easy.
SALVATION FOR ALL
Sadly there was no divine beyond for bungie.
*Bungie* "Gamers, Activision has betrayed us."
BUNGIE LEFT ACTIVISION. YES!!!!!!!!!!! 1/10/19
Freedom!!!
@SirCreepsAlott The thought is that because of Activision's pressure and focus on money only that most of these studios are putting out content that feels rushed, plus all the micro transactions can really turn people off. But lets wait and see. They won't have anyone breathing down their necks now to push stuff out and to make a quota.
It's too late now. None of the OG Bungie developers are there any more. They're just a husk of there former selves.
@@KNByam way too late
@@trevorskopczynski5791 Not really tho. They're really turning the game around now.
Watching this now makes me wonder, maybe it wasn't all Activision's fault...
Surprisingly it wasn’t lol, in fact they rarely had anything to do with the development.
Watching this now I’m very impressed with where Destiny 2 is right now. I jumped back into it recently and had an amazing time, and especially in the last few months the game’s ability and weapon sandbox is in its most healthy state.
@@daveyjoneslocker4703 I'm not, over half the game I bought is missing, they put out tiny amounts of content and charge you to celebrate their Anniversary lmao. Activision wasn't the problem, Bungie are the problem.
@@V1CT1MIZED I don’t care lol. Game fun. If I was mad I couldn’t have played old mediocre campaigns then I wouldn’t have bought it and you damn sure wouldn’t catch me whining about it online after I did. Embarrassing 🤡
@@daveyjoneslocker4703 yet the best part of destiny 2, that being forsaken and it’s add ons have been or are getting removed. Black Armory and it’s weapons, Menagerie (best activity is destiny history), gambit weapons, pinnacle weapons (not recluse and MT), the forsaken campaign. They did this to themselves.
As much as i hate Activision, bungie wasn't innocent either.
@Patrick Trist failing to meet dead lines, the whole debacle with the lead writer going out the window for destiny, becasue that wasn't all Activision. Bungie went in over they're heads and they seem to have this ideal now that because they created something as big and great as halo that they can tackle anything now and as we've seen with Destiny thats not all true. Bungie is a hollow shell of what it once was and with Activision gone they more have more freedoms but that also less funds and if they screw up again they can't hide behind the shield of "Blame Activision"
@@houseofwolves1967 They fired the writer because they didn't like the story.
@@shrekt8386 and they did all that when the game was getting ready to launch. And unstead they decided to break up the story and make us pay 20-40 bucks for and jagged story.
Now THAT was the correct way to say it
@@kregadeth5562 thank you
Watching this when bungie splits from activision
Same. Looks like the real Bungie still exists after all.
Hahahaha indeed. I just put this on cus of that. Now i can watch this w popcorn instead of tears
@@AsKnownAsLucy Apparently Xperia did the same, since the comment was pinned.
It's like I'm re watching a I Hate Everything recap episode of Destiny.
Lol im too late to celebrate im watching this in 2020
From 2006-2010 Halo and Bungie was my life. I was a pretty active member on Bungie.net, Legendary if I remember, and it consumed me. Bungie were my heroes - I was destined to work for them. I couldn't see any other future for myself.
Now...now it's different. The old Bungie is dead. The idiotic Bungie.net change, their loss of visionary minds, and their slavish devotion to greed is what sewed their fate.
It's genuinely depressing. Halo and Bungie were once mythical in the gaming community and now they are both hollow husks of their former selves.
Bungie was the best with creating the older halo but lnow it looks like activison ruined all of the fun in any game now that bungie creates
opinion incoming. I think that 343 is slowly reviving halo, again slowly, but it is happening.
jose luis silva
I hope so, man. Halo 4 had a decent story and Halo 5 had a decent multiplayer. If they can just release Halo 6 as a DECENT all-around game then I'll be confident in Halo's future. Sadly, 343i aren't like Bungie with their inclusiveness and family-like structure with the fan base. That's forever dead :(
Considering the many thinks that happened during halo 5 development its no wonder that it came out in such an appalling state.
But, for what they have done recently, not only are they fixing many of there mistakes, not all, but many.
But also, unlike some, I and many others still have faith in 343 and are still excited to see how halo 6 goes:)
😢
It’s so sad to see such a great company fall and do the thing that they were against
I know this phrase is overused, but...
THIS AGED BADLY
how? bungie is still in the dumps
@@kaaluha9591 well everyone said Activision was at fault, but clearly we can all see that that's not the case.
@@turbotegs2102 oh yeah that's very true
Man, your video could be turned into a documentary easy. Its an amazing source of info how Bungie bright and then died.
Thanks man, I went for a documentary style with the editing and writing, at least for the Bungie history section. Glad you enjoyed it so much :)
HiddenXperia Enjoyed a lot! I did not know about Bungie origins and all. And why Bungie broke with Microsoft partnership. I am a bit curious why Bungie refused using Microsoft server when Phill Spencer offered'em.
Activision: Bungie the time has come execute order 66.
Bungie: Yes my lord.
XD
Me: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
YOU WAS SUPPOSE TO DOMINATE THE WORLD, NOT BE ITS BITCH!
firesniperbullet2 lol XD
Ricardo Duarte
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Ricardo Duarte
Annnnd I'm the 117th like
This is literally the story of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Bungie gets bought by Microsoft (becomes and joins Jedi), does good things and stays somewhat hopeful until the cracks show with the announcement in ‘07 to leave (building of anger and dark side showing), joins with Activision (joining Palpatine and becoming Sith), and finally leaving Activision (killing Palpatine ROTJ). While I haven’t played any Destiny, I loved playing CE through Reach, and I hope Bungie finds some light and returns with something good.
Oh my, how the tables have turned.
Old Bungie will forever be in my heart, and I will never buy another activision game ever again
Michael Bay Tbh Activision doesn't really have any reason to me for the downfall. It's mostly bungies fault due to them being the force of more content and gameplay. Activision just helps bungie produce the game
Carlos Trujillo they killed destiny 1 and 2, and they killed blizzard
They also let tony hawk games go out with a terrible final game that released with the fucking DEMO on disc just to get it out before losing the license to produce Tony Hawk games. Just a shitty all around company, meaning in some way they had to have played a role.
Ah Marty! Met the dude for autograph at Hollywood bowl in 2007. Special team - too good to last forever
Carlos Trujillo I will die living the same word you said.
No Marty O’Donnell and Joseph Staten means no Bungie. The two people solely responsible for Halo’s captivating story and music.
There's more of bungie on 343 then on bungie itself
As well as Joseph Staten
@@Loansome_ wait what?! You've got a the source to that info?
Marty posted a tweet that said he was meeting with Jen Taylor and Joseph Staten (343/Halo) and that there was "nothing unusual about them meeting". If you were wondering when/if Staten left, I've only seen a few videos that said that he left around 2013 and went back to work for Microsoft. I'm sure you can find either of these with a quick google search
@@Loansome_ oh it that's the case then I am 100% sure Joseph Staten isn't working on Halo infinite because he has been working on crackdown 3 all these years.
My fondest memory of Halo multiplayer has to be the time I entered Halo 2 matchmaking and ended up on the same team as Evil Otto. I lost my shit when I saw his name, I knew there was no way we would lose that match. We got decimated, but it was worth it.
It’s still hard to believe how bungie managed to tarnish their reputation faster than Family Radio’s reputation
they didnt
As the kids say these days.... Savage.
If you'd told me this back when I was playing Halo 3, I would have never believed it.
A lot has changed in 10 years...
Word.
Everything you said about destiny is true. Really loved D1, but D2 is such a disapointment...
Maybe it's time for us all to move on... :'(
At least activision didn’t get their hands on halo
Lil Zachy Bagels True but it was still left 343
343 does't seem to be all that good of an alternative either...
Seeing how they still treat COD as their golden goose by pumping out yearly releases. Let's not forgot about the season passes for each games, priorities, along with the loot boxes introduced, especially with the Black Market in Black Ops 3.
Yea, while 343i and Microsoft can't get their shit together, it could have been far worse.
+Virtually Hidden 343 may not have taken Halo into the right direction with 4 & 5. But.... they still have strong enthusiasm and they just wanted to evolved Halo for the players. I believe that if they look back at Bungie's roots, they can bring Halo back... in the way the community truly desires it.
- 343's eyes glow red -
Sadly Activision wasn't the entire problem with Destiny like many thought. Destiny is worse now without Activision's funding and 3rd party studio support than it ever was. Somewhere along the way bungie lost their spark, they've lost what made them great and have struggled to find it again. It's a damn shame too, because at it's core Destiny is a true bungie story that reflects the greatness and in universe lore of it's sibling games Marathon and Halo
Wrong.
Azurealms99 ?
@@Dr.Oofers he's coping, hard.
It’s better now
@@acoustic_. no..it's not. It follows the toxic f2p model that mobile games started. They charge you for everything, they're ripping content out of the game, and sprinkling rehashed re used bs content in. Destiny 2 is fun. I'll give it that. But good gunplay can only get you so far.
Fantastic video, I was laughing so hard at the music during the microtransaction part.
I was lucky enough at 15 years old to get Halo 1 for xmas, and have 16 player LAN parties during summer.
I stood in line for Halo2 @18 years old, played it all night in my first apartment and then went to work @8am.
At 21 I saw how Halo 3 and alcohol brought all my opposing friend groups together. But man when I played just the demo of Destiny I was like "nah, this ain't it", haven't played a bungie game since.
Bungie is now considered................ A HERETIC!!
Pr0t04 45 Not even your demon can stop us now
Come we are leaving this System -tartarus
Pr0t04 45 “Oh I know what the ladies like - Sgt. Maj. Johnson”
When I joined the core we had two sticks and a rock and we had to share the rock -sgt major johnson
Dear humanity we regret being alien bastards we regret coming to earth -well you already know who said it
Activision is scum, but we can't pretend Bungie is a victim here. Everybody knew what Activision was long before Bungie teamed up with them. Bungie chose this.
Y’know, it’s kinda crazy coming across this 4 years after this was made and comparing it in my mind. Bungie has changed, although not as significantly this video had made me hope. I wasn’t around for the halo days and got into d2 when I didn’t know anything about activision, bungie, the original d1 story, none of that and after learning about it almost a year ago it’s kinda crazy. The story for the last year of content has been the best it’s been since Forsaken (besides beyond light and season of the hunt) in my opinion. Though they still retain some of the business practices of activision like eververse (but there’s no changing that at this rate), and the monetization of transmog but from what was described in the video it’s gotten better. Really good video, and I hope bungie goes back in the direction of the halo days.
4:20 well, this didn't age well
Please 343 hire the rest of the old halo developers that are now ex-bungie if you can halo needs them again! Especially Marty.
DXR gaming www.google.com/amp/s/www.vgr.com/halo-composer-leaves-343-industries-o-donnel-returns-for-halo-infinite/amp/
@@timbatchelor1907 thank you I can now have hope especially if Joseph staton, the voice of the original Cortana and Marty, if those 3 return halo will be a lot better off!
great idea
@@timbatchelor1907 Now Halo Infinite sounds exciting.
YESSS
Seeing this video made miss what Bungie used to be. It's as if Activision has stripped away Bungie's humanity and converted it into a soulless, corporate machine.
Bungie are for sure partly to blame, but seeing how quickly their downfall accelerated as soon as they partnered with Activision was super sad
And Activision is slowly turning into EA with them killing every company they pair up with.
Wouldn't surprise me they tried to do that to blizzard entertainment... didn't work out for activision blizz basically bitch slapped them when they tried to do that to them especially considering blizz's motto: Game Play First
Sounds like capitalism to me
Did you ever think that maybe the reason they didn't decline so quickly before was due to microsoft's control over bungie?
Yeah Bungie is Free.
But free in the same way a glassed planet the UNSC took it back from the Covenant.
Free, but everything about it is gone but its memories...and none of it is coming back.
To Paraphrase Legat Damar from Star Trek Deep Space Nine:
"He was my friend. But his Cardassia is dead, and it wont be coming back."
I argue the same about Bungie....its a Flood-Corrupted barely-living husk of it's former glory. Which is dead and gone. Forever.
And I've learned to push them out of my heart. I no longer care what happens at Bungie, or to Bungie. I'm no longer buying their products, or subscribed to their social media.
I've done the most painful thing I've ever had to do in my gaming life:
I let Bungie go.
Halo: 18+ fps about mass murder of aliens
Every Halo player in existence: "i started playing Halo when i was about 6 years old"
I was younger than that...
You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain
...and sometimes you die and come back as the Villain anyway.
Mr epicness
Wow that is a really powerful quote for this event
Perfectly said my friend.
Mr epicness OK Commissioner Gordon
The Shirt Ghost what now batman?
Man, it's heartbreaking to see a fandom get screwed over like this. I'm not a Bungie or Halo fan (this vid popped up in my suggestions feed) but I've been through the same mess with BioWare and Mass Effect after EA got its claws into them. It's good to see Bungie getting called out like this, the more people see what they've become, the better. Keep it up, I really hope you guys can get Bungie to do some soul searching.
let's all pay our respects to visceral games.
Knodd_FX it's a real shame, to be honest. They could make such great games, if their focus wasn't purely on short-term profits.
I reckon the publishers are most to blame. Activision and EA are cut from the same cloth when you consider how devs under their control invariably either get shuttered (RIP Visceral) or get put on CoD/Battlefield/Need for Speed duty. I fully expect Anthem to follow the example Destiny set though.
Mass Effect Andromeda was actually a good game (overshadowed completely by lousy facial animations that should never have passed quality control). And MEA hadn't most of the shit in it, Activision is so fond of.
So wether you like it or not, it's no valid comparisation with the multilevel fuckup of Destiny/2.
We'll have to disagree there. The plot and gameplay were less impressive than previous entries imho. The Nomad was fun to drive, though. That said, MEA's problems, while not the same as Destiny's, still affected it and, "multilevel fuckup" or not, the sales figures were enough for EA to put the franchise on ice.
Destiny 2 is still just as bad with microtransactions after leaving Activision. The game is just a platform for selling you Eververse items or the Battle Pass seasons.
Personally I think the current Bungie should never touch halo tbh.
Yeah sure 343 did have it's problems(coating microtransactions and lack of communication) but at least they actually fixed MCC with free updates and added new armor. Meanwhile Bungie is still using a crappy season pass microtransaction model(seriously this business model is outdated, even most free games release free updates) and lock updates behind paywalls when it should be free. Even halo 5(despite being the worst halo) has free updates than destiny 2
@@spartanmkvi3826 there are no updates in destiny’s history that are locked behind paywalls. Now you know.
While you are right about the micro transactions destiny 2 has somewhat improved with the addition of more content and story but unfortunately pvp is unbalanced and half the games story was wiped
yeah having to buy 50 dollars of DLC to have the “full destiny experience” when the game is free to play? yeah, destiny 2 is just a micro transaction mess
I actually would like 343i to be the developers of Halo instead of PRESENT day Bungie. Key words: PRESENT day.
Do you still feel the same?
@@Kill3r55_ of fucking course he does, they nailed halo infinite
Well, this is fucking depressing...
Mudkip 454
Halo: The Fall of Bungie
AnotherCrazyCroft I just might write that.
Whos here after bungie left activison
I am
@@SafeSaucer3, same, but still not buying any of their games for now. What would be the way to do it in my opinion, the perfect message that they're back, would be two things: the first being giving heavily discounted copies of the Forsaken edition away to anyone who hasn't bought the game yet, and the second would be providing free copies of all their Halo games, only tweaking the graphics a little bit. That would be the perfect message to day that they're back.
*say. At least in my opinion.
Sorry that’s not an opinion that’s just unrealistic and that would actually be cool but I’m not giving in though I would I actually like that now I feel like I’m gonna cry.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 they would have to spend so much money to give away free copies of halo games and since they split from activision they have even less money so heavily discounting destiny forsaken wouldnt be an option
I remember seeing my brother play the first Destiny at launch and how truly amazing it was (though he had to wait a week before servers weren't full enough so he could play). It was so huge and amazing and felt so free. I was really hoping I'd get the same experience when I played Destiny 2, but the worlds were just so... small and empty. It felt so restricted and repetitive and had so few people when I started playing it. It's really sad to have such an experience.
I missed the Golden Age of gaming by such a short amount of time... almost everyone I know got to experience it, but not me. It's great to hear about everyone else's experiences and I'm happy for all of you who got to, but I wish I could've been a part of it. Now I just get to play the remnants of the good online games that used to exist and the same exact game/style of game repeated over and over again. I wish it could change, but it won't. It feels like I've lost something I never even had to begin with.
Yep lmfaoo.
Basically these Harvard MBA fuckheads thought they could make a profit off games, and basically became every single higherup in these major game studios.
Eventually, they realized the reality that you actually DONT make that much money off video games, and they couldnt cope, and ran all their IP's to the ground.
When you hire a harvard MBA that doesnt have any other education in technology, in a technology company, your basically begging your companies to implode. Often times, thats on purpose so the shareholders can exit quickly.
i'm not mad...just sad, spent a huge chunk of my time gaming on halo and left consoles just after ODST. was overjoyed at the news of a bungie game on pc so picked up D2. Its a good game but it just feels "off" it's a weird feeling, kind of like seeing an old friend after a few years and realising you don't have much in common anymore :(
The Bungie i knew and loved died when they sold Halo out.
pathetic that was a great example.
pathetic i thought they would take over the world like they said they would.
Exactly c toy how I felt when I played destiny 1. Got bored after ten min
exactly how I felt man
i just wish Halo 3, ODST and Reach could have made it to PC, i wouldn't even mind so much if they only ported the campaigns since modders would probably take care of the online portion if it came to that. it will probably never happen though :(
Another thing that bothers me about Destiny is the campaign. The story missions and world building in Halo were so well done yet in destiny its been boiled down to "run past everything and one shot the boss with power weapons/super" and it really sucks the fun out of the game, you end up zoning out, skipping cutscenes and generally not caring about any of it, not to mention there not being an option for higher difficulty. I remember playing Halo split screen co-op on legendary with my bro and spending hours repeatedly failing missions and having this huge sense of accomplishment when we finally beat a level and that feeling is missing from Destiny.
Anyway, thats enough of my downer rant, hope u all had a good Crimmus :)
Bungie is the definition of Top 10 Anime Betrayals
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Valve, Bungie, etc...
That´s their fate.
You're videos bring back my childhood, Thank you.
I had a blast playing Destiny 1 over the years and made lots of memories but I’m not oblivious to the god awful problems it has. I know it has a terrible story and it makes me sad to know how good the game could’ve been. Once Destiny 2 came out I lost interest except for the forsaken dlc which made the game a little more fun. I still have fun playing Destiny 1 sometimes but at least I still have Halo to enjoy. Good video btw!
People can talk shit about Microsoft as much as they want, but at least they allowed Bungie to do almost anything they wanted, with as far as I could tell, little-to-no oversight. Activision on the other hand, has been well known, long before Bungie signed that contract, to be much more controlling and forced developers into extreme work conditions. I will never understand why Bungie utterly screwed themselves over, just to give Microsoft the middle finger.
Also, one could blame Activision for everything, but Bungie willingly signed a deal with the metaphorical, possibly literal, devil.
Yeah the only thing Microsoft did was force Bungie to develop paid DLC, but at least it wasn't actually ON THE DISC already. There was also so much content in the game at launch that you didn't feel like you needed to buy the DLC to experience the full game. You have to respect Microsoft's intelligence. They knew that offering a good deal would help their game succeed. Activision just doesn't get that. Their business model is not competitive, I don't understand why they keep using it.
Just a question. Have you actually read the contract? Or are you just basing this on how Activision treats other developers? If you haven’t read the contract, then I’m afraid to break it to you but Activision has very very very little involvement in the development of Destiny games and DLC. In fact, Activision only requires Bungie to make and sell them on schedule, be it what they are, and to implement micro transactions, the extent of which is determined by Bungie. Bungie holds all creative freedom of Destiny. Bungie decides what they put behind micro transactions. Bungie decided to block off players who hadn’t bought the DLC from the end game they already payed for. Bungie scrapped the original story. Bungie held all the hard work from trying to make Destiny 1 better over the course of three years and dumped it all when they made Destiny 2. Destiny 2 was also restarted in mid development just like Destiny 1 and it was also Bungie’s decision. You see the pattern here. Bungie, Bungie, Bungie, Bungie, etc. Bungie is to blame. All good things eventually come to an end, and this time it was Bungie’s turn. Not by fault of Activision. No, by fault of Bungie’s upper management who got too greedy for their own good.
The only thing that Microsoft did that Bungie didn't like was make an RTS Halo game after Microsoft shut down a Halo RTS mod. And it wasn't that bad at all-Halo Wars was a decent seller, and Halo Wars 2 is practically saving the franchise. Granted, both games aren't Halo 3 big, but it's quite funny that the one thing Microsoft forced on Halo that Bungie didn't like is the one thing that is saving Halo and keeping it a notch above Destiny. The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. How Biblically ironic.
Yeah they caused zamperella and his partner to bounce when their pay was hogged by their bosses. I mean, I cant even play an Activision game considering how they treat their fans.
Sting Rey you're actually wrong. It's the other way around. Microsoft had Bungie on a tight leash while Activision is far less controlling. The funny thing is Bungie turned to shit once they left Microsoft, if you weren't 13 and remembered when the letter Bungie left on their site stating why they wanted to leave Microsoft in the first place. They ironically needed a tight leash, but now it doesn't even matter because most of the Halo team is gone anyway.
Thank you for finding the time to explain why Activision don't have time to explain why the Stranger didn't have time to explain why she didn't have time to explain why the story of Destiny 1 was so sparse...
Hadgerz so activision jammed there heads far up their asses
They should have at least given us a fun Game. Destiny 2 is free on ps4+ and it sucks too. It’s a chore to play for mediocre fun.
People should really meme that
I miss the old halo
DUDE SERIOUSLY! I still want to know who that was.
This was the first Halo video I ever watched. I was hooked. Thank you HIDDENXPERIA for getting me into Halo and keeping there.
This aged well
Good video. Activision puts out quantity not quality.
CHET FORTUNE Truer words were never spoken...
HiddenXperia at least it would be true if there were even things to do. Activision just simply “puts out”.
CHET FORTUNE But that is the thing. We got zero quantity of content in D2....
😂😂😂 they put micro transactions over quality
In all honesty i feel like D2 was D1 rewrapped with a different story just simply cause they wanted to put D2 on current gen consoles. With none on the lessons learned for D1 release related problems. @Brett Holt I completely agree with you. Even with the expansion i was out of stuff to do in like 5 days.
This is true. And it hurts. A lot. Nice vid man
Thanks man, appreciate it :) (:C)
It really does.
Press F to pay respects
Ethan Hayes i agree,i started with halo 3 and loved bungie but now,they just spat in our face...Damn fukin actavision
games will NEVER go back to how they were in the 2000's
Here at the end of 2021 I’ve put about 400 hours into Destiny 2 in my return to the series. I’ve put it back down now to let it rest and work through my backlog and enjoy some new games, but I have to say even though it’s not the same Bungie anymore, they have grown and improved so much. I personally had a blast with my time in Destiny this year and the current state of the games sandbox balancing, god tier PVE content, and world building and lore is just phenomenally good. I’m proud of bungie and I encourage everyone to find a cool clan and take a dip into Destiny to see how it is these days.
Nah I put a few 100 hours in but I paid for a season pass and come back and the content had been removed, fuck them
@@mrman6723 yeah seasonal content is seasonal. I tend not to pay for seasonal content that I don’t think I will finish within the season, this carefully planned and advanced strategy makes my time in the game much more enjoyable.
But on this 11th day of January, 2019, Bungie has left from Activision.
Let your amazing creativity come back Bungie.
Without his key developers, sure...
They will rehire them with an apology bonus. Then have limited run tv commercials and internet ads that are cheap and simple yet, very effective when releasing games. Then make games that are all play no pay. Just put in the 60 dollar token (game disc) in the machine (console or gaming pc) for an immersive experience and just fun challenges to unlock cosmetic items and better weapons instead of micro transactions.
David Perry stop making shit up
xmenrock2000 your name is xmenrock you goof lmfao
Welp, they have only gotten worse since then
Destiny had so much fucking potential. If they had kept the story and the soundtrack then destiny would have been legendary.
Some of the biggest wasted potential in gaming history imo, I agree
Warframe is garbage too dude shut up.
HiddenXperia it just makes me sad
What do you mean it would have been legendary.
It would have been exotic hahaha
Twinrage :D
alt title: HiddenExperia slowly going insane whilst talking about a game company
Even 343i is better than bungie's current state
I hate that I agree with this
Activision was also the point at which Blizzard started going downhill.
TheHoruru Overwatch, statecraft, Diablo, hearthstone, all successful Blizzard/Activision titles. Blizzard is still doing well, just not with WoW
most of those are overrated in my opinion
If success is your measurement for whether or not a game is good, EA is the best company on earth.
I agree, it's just been so much more protracted and drawn out with Blizzard. So much so it's almost impossible to tell. But it's there, and it's heart breaking.
At least Blizzard is bringing back Vanilla WoW. Now both camps (the old fans and the new fans) can be satisfied. ee'
Ah, bungie you where such a great group of people, now you've been replaced by "husks"
Clawed Assassin *Morons
It's still satisfying to know that the original team is not in control any more, they would never do this.
Turns out Activision wasnt the problem.
the company that made me a gamer had such a huge downfall.
Another awesome video, HX! And I 100% agree that Halo 3 was the high point in Bungie's reign. It's a true shame to see what has happened to our once favorite developers. They escaped Microsoft only to fall into the hands of another empire, but this one was far, far worse. Or as the Arbiter said in Halo 3... "We trade one villain for another."
Thanks my dude. Totally should've used that quote in the video haha
lol! Again, awesome video, my friend, and I can't wait to see the next one! :-)
I may have been 3 when 3 came out, but it's my second favorite game. Not Halo game, just game. R.I.P Bungie
MythicTyrant Personally, I believe Reach was their final true high point.
O R I O N same for me it was their last real game unfortunately they didn't keep that idea
Watching all these halo clips and these songs makes me miss halo 3 so fucking bad. It was my shit. From multiplayer to custom games to forge. Halo 3 is the best game ever and it always will be. I’m so upset and angry that it all went downhill after it. R.I.P halo series. Wish I could go back in time and relive those amazing halo 3 memories. My favorite quote from master chief, “wake me, when you need me.”
First game I ever played with my brother, it was incredible
In my opinion, it had the best campaign out of all halo games that I've ever played.
Halo 3’s online multiplayer will forever be one of the best FPS experiences ever. It was sooooo much fun and done so well. I get sad every time I think back on it.
You can play it backwards compatibly
Jon Martin Yeah why do people have this illusion that those games aren't there anymore even though they are.
This didn't age well. Bungie was the problem all this time.
This video really hasn’t aged well…
Destiny could have been so much more 😭
Jordan Lamb Hall coulda been so much more
Jordan Lamb untill it wasn't
and so much cheaper too
joel3valles $60 is a normal price of games...
Grand dad Yeah, until they include 40 dollar dlc's and make everyone switch to xbox one and buy rise of iron with all the dlc's for a whole bunch of money. That's a bunch of money on destiny 1 alone
Welp... this is depressing...
*This is why nobody likes you Activision!*
Leave poor Bungi alone!
You've ruined them enough already. Just stop it!
Ky Anderson Leave them. Nothing can save them now.
It's more likely Bungie's fault. They tried to blame Microsoft for the way Bungie behaved then they went directly to work for pure evil aka Activision, they know what they were getting into and Bungie showed their true colors, become more evil than we realised.
SSG_Ronnie42
It's possible, but Bungie showed they were supportive of the community, and their philosophy was highly unlikely to be from Microsoft's influence since they are one of the big corporate entities that want to make as much money as possible (not seemingly as bad as Activison, but still), and the fact that Microsoft wanted them to only make Halo and nothing but Halo (which any artist will tell you is draining and will inevitably become stale without stepping away from it for a while). Then after moving to Activision, suddenly all this bullshit tarnishes their name and key people at MS who while not at the top, but still high up and highly contributive like Joe Staten, Marty O'Donnell (and seemingly Jaime Griesemer as well) all fired or quit.
It's certainly POSSIBLE that it's solely on Bungie, but look at the track record of the publisher they signed up with, and the fact that they were not happy with being forced to make the one thing with MS. It's also possible they just wanted to get away from MS. Eitherway, even though it could be solely Bungie to blame, given the facts and evidence, it makes shit load more sense for the blame t be on Activision.
Remember, the publishers are the ones who impose business decisions. The devs are just artists who want to get paid for their work. You only work in the industry if you enjoy it.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people at Bungie are not proud of their current reputation. I doubt most if not all the devs do not want to be employing these shitty business practices. It's common practice for the publisher to do this, because people who don't understand the industry most blame the devs, even when it's the publisher and they know this, so they know that since most people are ignorant to that fact, they can get away with it, so they keep doing it.
Doesn't help that people keep throwing their money at games like this.
Considering that Activision is hands off for destiny, I don't see how this is their fault.
Draysor
Three words...
Bull
Fucking
Shit
That game reeks of Activision.
This did not age well at all. After the Activision split it became clear that a lot of the corporate greed we thought was Activision breathing down Bungo's neck was actually just Bungo.
New Bungie*. Activision left its mark on Bungie and by the time the split happened most of, if not all, the original team had already left by then. This will probably be the same for Respawn with Titanfall 3
Halo wasn’t just a great campaign, great characters you also got attached emotionally. I miss when times were simpler
I think it's because of greed and pride, Bungie was making a lot of money off the early Halo games , they thought Microsoft was "limiting" their minds... so they went to a company that was also doing well (Activision) .... I don't think they really thought of their decisions ... with all the DLCs coming out for such a game, might as well just buy different games
While I think they had the right idea from splitting from Microsoft, as scene with some of the questionable interventions they did during their game studios dev moments, they really fucked up with joining Activision who are arguably worse. It would have been better if they remained independent since they could have most likely made it work due to past popularity and respect. Though that is no longer an option even if they could split off from Activision.
A good publisher will insert themself at certain parts but also let the developer lose on the leash. MS seemed to have found an ok balance for Bungie and Halo before Bungie grow hungry.
Bungie's main reason for the split is that they want to do something else other than Halo, which as evident with Halo 4 and so on, Microsoft would have them do if they didn't split. I understand why Bungie made the split as it is the same reason why actors hated being typecasted (which at worst, could spell the end of the career for the actor if the typecast becomes irrelevant with time). But they could have done better with who to lay with.
Agreed.
Sad Skeletal :(
This is probably the best edited and best narrative video I have seen in 2017. Everything was on point, and I got a more emotional attachment watching this video than I did playing Destiny 2. Man I miss 2003 grinding a true passion crafted game and then getting to play something that was even more in 2007. It seems every game these days they're trying to milk every cent out of our pockets and it's sick! I feel bad for all the kids and what they are growing up playing. They truly will never see what a game should be for the player.
Thanks man, and yeah modern gaming really has taken a turn for the worse. I remember when the biggest uproar was about SMG starts, now you're more likely to have the SMG locked behind an RNG lootcrate than that :\\\\\
It's not that that good
Nvm yes it is :,(
I'm pretty sure most kids of today, don't even care about single player as we once did. It's all about online multiplayer, graphics, and sound.
Amen to that
This video made me sad. I miss the old Bungee I miss their halo games. But most of all i miss there old philosophy Bungee you will be missed.
The fact that I got an ad for a destiny 2 dlc is hilarious
Seeing this honestly breaks my heart. Hopefully, after Bungies contract is done with Activision, they will go back to Microsoft or Sony and make another game that is actually consumer centered.
As much as I too would hope the same, Bungie is now a shell of what it once was. It might not exist by the time its contract is up.
I don't think they would go back to Microsoft as they created 343 Industries to replace them and actually have alot of Bungies former employee there.
they're probably gonna renew their contract with Activision and make it obvious they don't care about anything accept money
Jay Hubz Nope. It's over for them. Gamers all but hate them now.
Gamers are willing to forgive and give second chances of developers/publishers change for the better.
Look at Ubisoft. It was hated loathed ridiculed after Unity/watchdogs.
But now with a few good games solid support and less DRM motivated bullocks the are getting some of their previous reputation back.
This shits sad dude, But great breakdown
BigMac33 Thanks man :) :(
We should combine all our funds and buy Bungie from Activision, so that we can save the Destiny franchise.
Truckersteel fuck destiny. that shit can die off.
I ain't gonna listen to you, because I had some great times in the first game. Me and every other Destiny fan are disappointed by what Bungie has done. You have your opinion I have mine, just the way it is.
Playing ODST while watching this. What happened to Bungie is sad because they felt invincible. I’d rather have the 343 that made Halo 5 make Infinite than have the Bungie that made Destiny 1.
After seeing the trailers for infinite, I think 343 made all the right choices with the multiplayer. I just hope they don't fuck up the campaign, because they might be able to get Halo back to it's status in 2007
@@user-mx1fq6qm6i good news, campaign is awesome, multiplayer is decent (except in customization, and desync issues)
This certainly explains why the GameStop guy refunded my preorder of Destiny to me when I went to pick it up. I asked him why and he said "Dude believe me, you're welcome."
I wish that guy worked at the GameStop near my house
You should of got in contact with his manager and got him fired. It's your decision to cancel pre-orders not his and what if he finds it to be shit but you would find it to be amazing
@@ThatNormalBunny short version, they knew me and it worked out for the best. Besides, I had 256k DSL so online isn't an option
what sad state AAA gaming is in. dominated by massive companies that get franchises like battlefront and a halo successor and manage to completely ruin them with "their vision" on what gamers want. just a bunch of out of touch money hungry business majors that have 0 clue about what makes a successful game.
To you a successful game is something most people love playing and praising etc.
To them that game is not successful if it didn't make the money they wanted from it.
So Destiny is very successful for them because it made good money. That is how Activision and now Bungie see things.
So if you want to blame someone then how about starting from gamers themselves that are willing to pay for shitty practices.
If gaming continues to follow the trends of art throughout history, triple A gaming will eventually start to regain the thrown it once held
It suckes that more and more AAA games are favoring micro transactions including gta and red dead. I don't understand what these franchises are thinking they are ruining there name and creating their own versions of infinite warfare, because at one point the bubble will explode and people aren't going to buy their game. They could take a page out of Ubisofts book and realize that you can have a game with micro transactions and not shove it down somebody's through. Siege really shows this because yes there are micro transactions and yes they look appealing for people who have just started but you can play the game and not use them, a friend got the game around when velvet shell came out and he already has most of the operators he is only missing 2 or 3. There is a reason 2 years after launching Siege still has the fastest growing player base and one of the highest daily players count.
When games cost hundreds of millions of dollars and years to make with a team of hundreds and no guarantee of return, you can bet your ass publishers will take a more direct role. It's not really surprising considering the massive undertaking required to make a modern AAA game.
Even little studios are becoming guilty of this. For instance, Wildcard Studios with Ark Survival Evolved.
“Tread the path brother, I will follow.”
😢😭😢😭
Bungie don't make levels like that anymore! :'(
So Bungie not only forced him out, but now, in 2021 they are taking him to court and threatening his TH-cam channel for no legitimate reason. Every unite and uninstall Destiny from your consoles. Bungie even had the nerve to sell his Destiny soundtrack Vinyl last month. They probably made 50-100k in two days it sold out immediately. Their shame knows no bounds.
2021: oh how the turn tables...
Everybody just imagine how great Destiny could have been if bungie hadn't joined Activision and then think about how shit it would have been if they'd partnered with EA
Don’t forget e.a will simply shut down bungie Because e.a is known to shut down developers who have been purchased
Imagine if they followed Warframe or some other system of keeping the same game and updating it for free.
No. Actually most of the things mention it is video was mostly Bungie's fault without activation after having to do a thing
EA actually would have been much better for Bungie. For the most part EA lets the developers do their own thing as long as they have earned that independence. Anthem failed so badly because of Bioware, not EA.
It's kinda worse now
Hey HiddenXperia,
I just want to say thank you for making this video :)
I too used to follow Bungie in their Halo days, but to me those days are long gone. I stuck out to Halo 4, but after that, I have not bought Destiny 1 or 2 as I watched the same signs you saw start happening. I still recall when Halo 5 Guardians took out split screen co-op and I looked to my best friend and said, "Then it's not halo."
It was bittersweet watching this video, but I thank you for taking your time and effort into going into the rise and fall of this beloved developer. I enjoyed it, for what the intent was meant to be.
I feel, and fear, that if we are ever going to have another experience like Bungie did, it will have to come from elsewhere.
Cheers mate!~
Thanks man :) It really is a sad situation, going through old ViDocs and footage for this video made me suuuuuper nostalgic, but at the same time sad because, like you said, chances are Bungie will never be the same again :C
Split screen is coming back to Halo 6. I say that we give 343 one more chance.
It’s funny that you mention idolizing them and wanting to work for them. I grew up playing my dads old Nintendo and the 64. At 10, I got a Xbox 360 with Halo 3 and that was my first major step into modern gaming. I had a friend before that who owned the OG Xbox, and had Halo 1 and 2, and the flood was by far scary as hell. But my point is, is that no matter what, Halo continues to be my favorite game and is the reason so I took an interest in game development and particularly Animation and story telling. I’m currently in school for animation and part of me still dreams of working for Bungie on Destiny or for 343 to try and help fix Halo.
I'm watching this fully through (for the first time, other times I just listened to it) and I've seen a clip from one of Red vs Blue's PSAs in the Reach era.
YES.