The 11th edition of the Triang catalogue had Rocket and a Brush Type 2 on the front cover. R. 346, priced at 52/6 (£2 62.5p) came with crew, smoke, magnadhesion and just one coach. R.621, priced at 7/6 (37.5p) coach, was available as 'Times', 'Experience' or 'Despatch'. The Triang version is robust enough to handle and it can shunt its train, so maybe the Hornby version is a step backwards?
Not offended at all Sam. The 1963 version came with a smoke unit. Does the 2020 version. The tender came fitted with a regular Tri-ang coupling and we got 3 coaches in the pack. I still have it. We thought it was very good back in 1963 and it ran well. It also had Magnadhesion which helped the pulling capability on the Super Four track of the day.
So glad you mentioned the difference in colour between loco and coaches. I think I remember reading the the L&M had already picked out the livery colour for their coaches, and the Stephensons just happened to paint Rocket yellow too (but a different shade), either not knowing or not worrying that the coaches would be a different shade.
The Tri-ang Rocket had a special period crew supplied but these usually get lost over nearly sixty years. For a while most Triang steam locos with a cab floor were supplied with a crew, but when Rovex Scale models at Margate started calling themselves Hornby the crew supplied stopped.
@@fredtedstedman previous owners usually did not so almost always lost long ago. When did Blu tack become available? For many years there was want ad for the Rocket crew in the Railway modeller private wanted ads.
That might be so, but was it left unpainted? Or did they paint it black? I don't know myself, and the New model represents the Replica the is in The NRM in York!
@@mikeking2539 the new model represents the 1935 replica, the current "in use" replica is from 2010 i think, and they did leave the firebox unpainted, as seen in some early pics of the replica (it darkened overtime due to heat)
Yes that's interesting - though the replica definitely looks more black than brown - I personally think it looks good the way Hornby did it! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
The Tri-ang Rocket used the X-500 motor that Tri-ang used in their Minic Motorways 1/76 scale slot car system. This had level crossings and some rare track pieces where the railway and road Shared one lane. TH-cam search will reward.
Errrrrrr...........52/6 equates to just over £2.62 in modern money (I was there at the time) so the cost comparison is even more devastating than you thought.
Although it was in the 1963 catalogue, I think it may have taken until 1964 to be available. It was so amazing at the time that even Australian TV news at the time showed film of it running with smoke from a toy fair announcement. Very rare to see model trains on the news back then. A later tv appearance of the Tri-ang Rocket was on a Faraday science lecture show where it failed to run when the elaborate set up completed the circuit. Confirming that it was not the most reliable Tri-ang loco. A 1964 or 65 railway modeller, railway of the month was based on the Liverpool and Manchester opening, so relied on lots of Rockets with many converted to Northumbrian or similar. They commented on the delay in Rocket release causing problems.
Ahh interesting John, many thanks for the extra info! Yes the smoke unit was very impressive - I'm not surprised it was newsworthy! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Thanks Sam for a fascinating comparison! The only thing I don't like about the new Hornby version is the join line in the water barrel - it's one of those things that once noticed I can't keep from looking at. Happy Christmas and Stay Safe!
Very interesting video, as always. But I'm not sure about your price comparison. There were 20 shillings to a pound, so 52 shillings and six pence would be £2.63. Using your inflation rate, that would make it about £50 it today's money, with the new version costing more than three times as much.
Thanks for sharing Keith - yes I've heard that, not sure what happened with my conversion then?! I'm not used to the old currency, total ignorance is probably to blame I'm afraid! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Thank you again Sam for another interesting video, the question I have is do you modify your points to enable the bigger flanged Triang rolling stock to clear as in the old rocket? as I have a lot of old stock and peco 100 track, thank you Sam, have a good Christmas and a Happy and Healthy new year, kindest regards , Paul.
Thanks very much Paul! No I don't modify the points - most of the early locos run fine, but for those that don't, I grind the flanges down! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Both models are great the triang one is great as they had to design it by looking at drawings and transferring what they saw to a model. The new one is great as it's a completely to scale accurate model of the real replica locomotive. The real Rocket looks slightly different from the replica version and can usually be seen in the science museum in London but I think it has travelled back to either the York or Shildon railway museum's
Hi Sam , love the Rocket, shes absolutely beautiful! I am not far from the famous L&MR where she ran! I must say that the livestream was quiet without Kelly , and she didn't turn up to mine either. Feel worried , so I sent her an email asking how she is. Anyway I must thankyou for sending me a lovely email addressing issues with people in my videos , and it really helped me get through the situation , everything is back to normal now 🤞. I was building the London Tower Bridge in Minecraft for a TH-cam series when the notification popped up , and I was so surprised! Thankyou so much. Hope everyone is great and Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
Thanks a lot mate! Ooh that's awesome - lucky you! I think she might have been scared off by my Christmas special - oops!! You're welcome my friend, I'm glad to hear things are normal again! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
My 1979 Hornby catalogue includes a leaflet on the new live steam Rocket in 1/16th scale on 3.5 inch gauge track. Coaches later available. This used compressed gas for steam raising. Plastic track as no electricity involved. This scale gave models twice the size of gauge one or G scale standard gauge models. Very expensive then and was only in production for a few years. Did not work as well as hoped for.
Great video as always Sam. You mentioned you added extra pickups to the Triang rocket. Any chance you could point me in the right direction on how to do this? Cheers. Jon
I was 10 in 1963 when Triang trains were in great demand at Christmas. Most children were more than happy, pretty much as stated with the quality. They were a 'special treat' gift. They were half toy, half model, and as such the original has great charm. I'm not a railway modeller but it would be difficult to chose which I'd like ! Perhaps the new one needs some old dirt. I wonder if the big coach was for tiny hands ?
I like the 2020 version more than the 1963 version because the detail on the 2020 version is so cool and my birthday is coming up in less than a week from now, about 4 ta 5 days from now so I hope you can do a few minute video on my birthday (Thursday 17th December), that will be much appreciated from you Sam. I'm not forcing you to do a recording on Thursday morning and releasing it a few hours later, I'm not that type of person. Even if you do a train review on my birthday, that would be SUPER cool.
Thanks for sharing Paul, that's very fair to say! I can do birthday videos mate, but only for Cheif Mechanical engineers! I hope you have a very happy birthday my friend! :D Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hi sam great comparison. My grandparents got me couple of second hand model buildings that had lights fitted by the owner. Do you know any ideas or switchboards I can buy that wont blow up the bulbs?
Hmmm, you'd have to figure out what voltage they were - do you have a variable power supply you can use? You could just risk trying them on a 12v power supply, that's probably the most likely voltage! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hey Sam got a problem hope you can help, I’ve bought a dcc fitted flying Scotsman for my 4 year old and I’ve bought a Hornby select controller and a digital track power bit that connects the controller to track, all track is probably connected but the train isn’t moving any reason why?
Hmmm, have you tried programming a new address into the locomotive? The instructions should tell you how to do this. Do you have any other DCC locos you can test on the track? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Bachmann Norris 4-2-0 for the late 1830s era runs very well for its 1980s production era. The Prussia, Lafayette and Pegasus were some of the names used. Possibly may outperform the 2020 Rocket. Little known. Worth a search.
@@SamsTrains these Norris 4-2-0s were used as Lickey bankers but around 1840 or so. Often running triple headed despite being one of the most powerful locos at the time. So reviewing these could also relate to calls for a Lickey banker review. Wish you would allow a link, but Google Norris Lickey banker. From Wikipedia The first Lickey bankers were the American Norris 4-2-0s Class A Extra locomotives Philadelphia, Boston and William Gwynn delivered in May, June and December 1841 respectively.[8] They met the requirement to lift 75 tons up the incline at 15 miles per hour (24 km/h).[9] The arrival of Boston allowed operations over Lickey to commence to Croft Farm on 17 September 1841.[ Not a lot of people know that, to quote Michael Caine.
Good comparison, it’s nice to see them both side by side. You can now download the exploded diagram service sheet for the new Rocket at Lendons of Cardiff web site, it’s amazing to see just how many parts it uses. I’m still none the wiser of how it comes apart though I think there is some glue involved. Thankfully I was able to fix mine without doing so as it’s motor wasn’t properly engaged when I got it. So glad I did get it on pre-order though as prices are crazy now, another reason for being so determined to fix it rather than send it back.
Thanks a lot Rob, and that sounds great - I'll look into doing that! Oh dear - not too appealing if there's glue involved! Very glad I pre-ordered too! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
I remember the Triang version coming out and thinking how fantastic it was. It had great lettering on the coach, enough detail and how did they manage to get such a small engine to run? This is a very fair test. Did you know Kitmaster made a plastic kit version in OO as well, possibly in the late 1960s? I had one of those, but there was no coach.
It must have been pretty amazing when it was first released - very impressive for the time! No I don't think I did know about the Kitmaster one! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hi Sam, love the new look on the Rocket. I really fancy getting one of these but not sure if it could manage a 3% incline. Do you have any idea or be able to test it out on yours. I'd hate to pay that kind of money to find it won't go around my track ? Kindest regards, Rick
Hi Sam, many thanks for this old and new review. I agree perfectly with your points, but do believe that the 1963 iteration of Rocket was an amazing model for it’s time. Indeed, it suffers only by way of comparison to the 2020 model, which is truly an amazing piece of craftsmanship. I would really love to hear the backstory of how Hornby decided to develop the 2020 version, and did so with such secrecy. I am very fortunate that I have the 1980s boxed set with Rocket and three cars and I preordered one of the Centenary sets which is amazing. I then searched about and was able to snag the regular issue as well. It is altogether fitting that this set was voted to be Hornby’s Best Ever locomotive. Sam, how are your fingers? Cheers.
Thanks John! Yes there's no doubt about it being an amazing model for it's time - very much so! The fingers are fine now thank you, haha! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Even the current NRM Rocket replicas have a lowered chimney to ensure clearances on British railways. Some have issues with the 2020 if they have a very close to scale clearance model railway.
Very interesting indeed Sam. The manufacturers have certainly come a long way but, as you say, back in the 50's and 60's there were no CAD systems etc.. They did a wonderful job with what they had. Many thanks as always.
Some people have solved the choice problem by having the sixties Tri-ang, the eighties Hornby loco and three coach pack, the 2020 Tri-ang pack and the standard pack although they are waiting for the open third to arrive in Australia. There is also the kitmaster then Airfix then Dapol plastic kit for Rocket.
Actually just reading about the possible cause of this in the hornby 100 years book and it was due to the factory in China. It's a very interesting read.
I wanted the Triang version of the Rocket. But being around 7 or 8yrs Old , my Dear Old Dad said " You would break it within a Week.!" & I had the Shits up for about as long. Until he Turned up with an 0.6.0 shunter. Which I still have and it still goes. Sadly, as u may imagine very Play Worn. But in Retrospect. I think Dad made the Right Choice all the way..!! Great Video Sam. Very entertaining. And for me Nostalgic. Thx for your efforts in production. Great work..!! Cheers kim in Oz. 😎
Yeah, that probably was smart - very fragile models by Tri-ang standard - the 0-6-0 sounds like a good choice, particularly as it's still around today!! :D Merry Christmas - Sam :)
The thing about the colors being different were actually quit normal in the old days, This was before RAL, NSCTS, RGB or any other precise color charts were popularized. the only thing manufacturers or maintenance sheds had to go from was rough pigment recipes. A small deviation in the quality or quantity of ingredients could result in a different shade of the same color. Further cheaper pigments were sometimes used on carriages as opposed to locomotives and the cheapest paint was often used on freight cars.
Yes that's what I hear too - it's actually quite amazing that Hornby's models recreated the difference... could very easily have been overlooked! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
My earliest Rocket and three coaches is the gold and tan boxed (similar to the 2020 packaging) train pack. Released around 1982 with the catalogue number of R0796. I am not sure which version of Triang releases you have Sam of the Rocket. If it was the single release or one of the train packs with the three coaches. So I tried to dig out some old photos from the web to show the other readers the variations of the released productions of the loco, but one can't paste them to a comment. Though do, do a web search and you will find for starters: Triang/Hornby R346 Loco & 1x Coach in a long Red Windowed box Triang/Hornby R346C Loco & 3x Coach set in a Red outer box Triang/Hornby R346C Loco & 3x Coach set in a White outer box Hornby Railways R796 Loco 3x Coach set in a Gold & Tan Windowed box Hornby R3810 Loco & 3x Coach set in a Yellow box (2020) Triang/Hornby R3809 Loco & 3x Coach set in a Red box (2020) The 100th Centenary issue G100 Hornby Live Stream loco only in the larger scale and of course there are others by different manufactures, but we'll just stick to the Hornby related models, enjoy looking them up.
Ahh very interesting John - yes I'm not certain which mine was, it's an older one (as it has the duller wheels), and it only came with a single coach! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The old has an unbeatable antique charm to it. It makes it a pretty nice model to still display and show today, especially because it's still running perfectly fine after nearly 60 years! Don't think the modern one will survive the test of time that good...
I think one of the problems concerning accuracy and dimensions is that we don't really know for sure. The original Rocket does survive but it was rebuilt later in its life and furthermore quite a few bits are missing. There are various contemporary drawings and sketches but some details are contradictory so it's difficult to know who to trust. There are various replicas in existence, some of which are more accurate than others, and a lot of research went into their creation. But when it comes to such questions as the height of the original chimney, I think we will never know for sure.
@@SamsTrains when the smokebox was invented the original Rocket was converted to have one. This model tries to replicate the original condition as in the numerous replicas. The clever company from Newcastle soon saw the need for a smokebox. A time of rapid development. Rocket soon giving way to Northumbrian, Planet then Patentee in a few short years.
The Rocket, I have to say, is absolutely brilliant for a locomotive that pioneered the start of the era of railway steam locomotives in the 19th century and the locomotive is absolutely amazing and I think George Stephenson did a brilliant job for a locomotive, before the replica was built in the 1970’s of course.
It was Robert Stephenson responsible for Rocket building at Newcastle. George had his hands full on site with the Liverpool and Manchester civil engineering, politics and finances. Remember my fifth grade teacher telling me this after creating a diorama with a plastic kit of Rocket out of a cereal packet in what was later called N scale. This was close after the Tri-ang announcement. There is very learned TH-cam vid by Anthony Dawson on Rocket posted a few months back that goes into great detail.
hello sam to me both models have advantages in their own ways, the new one is more detailed but can only pull the rocket coaches that came in the set and the 3rd class coach, and the old one is less detailed but can be coupled up like any other model but if i had to choose one it would be the new one because it is just beautiful and will you do another one of these with the dapol and bachmann 43xx models and love the video from david
Another top review and comparison between vintage and modern hornby. Was thinking wouldn't it be great if hornby made rocket in her remaining state as seen in the museum. Keep up the great work mate. 👍
Very interesting, even if you are not a vintage train collector. Both models have their interest, the latest as an accurate model of the prototype, the first as an interesting piece of vintage technology. Those both are not really usable as trains you can run to simulate a real network activity due to the historical setting of the prototype. Anyway, they are more shelf models you can run, in my opinion. And both are usable as this.
Hi Sam. Nice comparison of the two Rockets. I need to challenge you on the 1965 price of the Triang version; 52s6d = 52.5s / 20s per pound = £2.62½! Correspondingly, the 2020 equivalent would be less than £120 (I'll let you do the maths on that one!). Hmmm... old Gaugemaster controller?
The Australian 1966 price for the Rocket and coach set was $10.95. For 5 cents more you could purchase the R450 Sydney suburban EMU two car set. These Australian made overhead electric suburbans from Tri-ang now go for in excess of $2000, such is their rarity now.
Sam enjoyed the "ragtime" music for the two rockets. Just wondered if you will be 'gearing down' your crane sometime ? I think Health & Safety will be concerned about the load flying about like that....Great review though.
Certainly is a very interesting contrast. Enjoyed every moment of this. The new Rocket really is one of Hornby's greatest achievements and a perfect example of how far modelling has come since the 60's but nevertheless Triang certainly delivered with what was available. The triang one still has it's legacy even now as that tooling appears to have been reused in the Great British Locomotives Magazine Collection for a non-motorized variant. Bigger steam locomotives have certainly got better with newer tech but there's not many that can have as drastic a change as Hornby's Rocket since their mechanisms usually wouldn't interfere with the look as there was enough space to tuck them away most of the time. Would love to see Hornby tackle a new Pug model. Reckon this time they could eliminate the motor taking up the cab.
The mag laser scanned old models rather than get permission to use old tooling. A new broom at Hornby destroyed most Triang tooling that was not in use in China about ten years ago.
@@johnd8892 Ah fair enough. That's interesting to hear. It makes sense when the model in the magazine even has the block between the wheels that would normally house the motor. I know Hornby does have some things that were simply lost to time.
@@Damocles178 record survivor seems to be the Tri-ang three lineside huts I think from 1958. Others were the Lord of the Isles and Caledonian 123 and coaches . I think due to being in China for production. Even the righties APT tooling was scrapped. issue talked about was it was deemed unsafe to get the heavy tooling off the Margate too flimsey storage racks or not enough working clearances for a forklift. Did not want storage rack dominoes happening. May also have been an accounting write off. Simon Kohler talks about this decision, not taken by him, guardidly at times.
Thanks so much - I agree, easily one of their most impressive models! I didn't know the magazine model was based on tri-ang's, is that true?!? Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains John did reply to me explaining that the models the magazine used were laser scans of existing models. I'm pretty sure the Rocket included in those Magazines was probably scanned from Triangs old model. I could be wrong of course but I don't know of very many that look like that. :)
Hi Sam,nice review of these two locos,I own the 2020 version and wanted one since they came out,alot has definitely changed in the years.mine is still in the box.
Good question! I think it'd obviously be the tri-ang one, though they don't work as well as the new Hornby version, so it's swings and roundabouts! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
In my view, the biggest engineering blunder in 2020 model is the wires going from Loco to tender. They are too too delicate and break frequently. I would hornby, I wish I used tiny connector like SHS relimate small size connector for this wires connections. It may seen as improper scaling, but I feel better than breaking them frequently.
Yes you are right - I've heard others complain of this - mine has been fine so far, but the connection is a very poor design indeed! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for the video Sam that was a really interesting comparison! Do you know if Hornby will be making another batch of these Rockets? I liked how you gave a nod to how revolutionary the old Triang version was for the hobby. Merry Christmas!
Thanks Sam! I enjoy both models for different reasons. I always laugh when I see the old one going so fast. All I can hear in my head is the Theme from the Benny Hill Show!
Hi sam, It's indeed comparing some with 60 year of difference, at time no one heard of a computer design. I would be the equivalent of comparing the safety features of a 60's car with a modern car. I love the new Rocket of course, the only thing that borders me a bit about it, is the yellow water tank on the tender, why didn't they make it in a wood color, as it should have been??? It would have hided the split so much better…
@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, then they must have used an other replica, because look a the 9:44 minute in your video, that barrel looks pretty brown to me… Happy Hollidays…
Hi Sam, top video once again. Best way to look at these two; How thrilled would you have been to get the original one as a Christmas present in 1963 and how thrilled would you be to get the new one for Christmas this year? Tough call but maybe the original?
Hi sam This is a very interesting video and a fair comparison in my opinion. 1960s rocket was breaking for the times which Simon kohler has said on more than one occasion Please keep safe Keep safe arp
I have to say, the new Hornby version looks much more crisp and perfect than the old Triang version of Stephenson’s Rocket! Everyone is probably gonna say the new one looks much better than the old one although we might get some people saying they like the old one if they grew up as a child with this train in model form back in the old years! Overall, these 2 Stephenson Rocket models look great either way! 😃👍
Funny how that the real ones only went 29 mph. But here they’re doing like well over 100 mph (scale). Since the voltage is only being drawn from one set of wheels, there’s very little resistance so more of that energy can be channeled into the motor.
Interesting how easy the Tri-ang is to disassemble compared to the 2020. Understand why you did not try to open the 2020. The curse of DCC with the barrel and flimsey multiple wires. And very rare to get it working on DCC without huge work. Definitely not a plug and play as Hornby advise. A few owners wasting a lot of time with the new couplings . Needs an extra coupling option.
Very much so - I haven't dared try that one yet!! Yes I've heard horror stories about the wires and DCC use - another rabbit hole I don't want to go down! Merry Christmas - Sam :)
20 décembre 2023 Bonjour Je suis francais et j'adore la rocket , ma 1ere loco a mes 5/7 ans (noel 63/64) elle roule toujours très bien Bref... tres bon sujet Il y a eu une autre série pour son anniversaire dans les années 80 en coffret marron ( que jai aussi) roues avec tours metal, Noms différents sur wagons etc Et, un peu mieux fini Je recherche toujours a les ameliorer Question A la traduction, vous rajoutez des "micros" qu'est ce c'est ? Je ne sais pas si vous savez, mais le chassis tres bas , que vous décriviez, a une utilité Il y a un aimant , pour aider la loco a rester sur les rails , pour eviter le déraillement ! Voila Merci pour ttoutes ces expliquations Sympa bonne soiree
Triang trains like Hornby Dublo before it were aimed at the toy market never meant to be super detailed models the market for detailed models was way into the future. The Triang Rocket is solidly made for young hands to play with the Hornby one is not really for young collectors more a display piece. Both have their merits but the Triang one for me has its charms.
They re Released it some time ago, but it was still the same c1960’s model. I still have my model but sadly it no longer runs, (or at least not as good as it used to)
The 11th edition of the Triang catalogue had Rocket and a Brush Type 2 on the front cover. R. 346, priced at 52/6 (£2 62.5p) came with crew, smoke, magnadhesion and just one coach. R.621, priced at 7/6 (37.5p) coach, was available as 'Times', 'Experience' or 'Despatch'. The Triang version is robust enough to handle and it can shunt its train, so maybe the Hornby version is a step backwards?
OOh very cool, thanks a lot for confirming this - so they were even cheaper than I thought!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Not offended at all Sam. The 1963 version came with a smoke unit. Does the 2020 version.
The tender came fitted with a regular Tri-ang coupling and we got 3 coaches in the pack. I still have it.
We thought it was very good back in 1963 and it ran well.
It also had Magnadhesion which helped the pulling capability on the Super Four track of the day.
Thanks Alan! No it does not - an interesting difference! Sure, I still think it's good now, all these years on!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
So glad you mentioned the difference in colour between loco and coaches. I think I remember reading the the L&M had already picked out the livery colour for their coaches, and the Stephensons just happened to paint Rocket yellow too (but a different shade), either not knowing or not worrying that the coaches would be a different shade.
That's very interesting Rob, I wonder if that's what happened then?
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Of all the model locomotives, The Rocket really needs a model crew on the footplate - it just looks silly without one.
The modern hornby one comes with them. Obviously Sam just hasn't fitted them.
@@lapiswake6583 Thank you. Looks silly without them I think.
The Tri-ang Rocket had a special period crew supplied but these usually get lost over nearly sixty years. For a while most Triang steam locos with a cab floor were supplied with a crew, but when Rovex Scale models at Margate started calling themselves Hornby the crew supplied stopped.
@@johnd8892 stick 'em on with blu-tack !
@@fredtedstedman previous owners usually did not so almost always lost long ago. When did Blu tack become available?
For many years there was want ad for the Rocket crew in the Railway modeller private wanted ads.
one thing sam: the brown is pretty accurate, the actual rocket's firebox was actually made from copper
That might be so, but was it left unpainted? Or did they paint it black? I don't know myself, and the New model represents the Replica the is in The NRM in York!
@@mikeking2539 the new model represents the 1935 replica, the current "in use" replica is from 2010 i think, and they did leave the firebox unpainted, as seen in some early pics of the replica (it darkened overtime due to heat)
Yes that's interesting - though the replica definitely looks more black than brown - I personally think it looks good the way Hornby did it!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Are you sure?, copper is not the best metal to make fireboxes. Its kinda like making a paper stand for your hot soldering iron.
@@jpsholland how come loads of locos have copper fireboxes then?
The Tri-ang Rocket used the X-500 motor that Tri-ang used in their Minic Motorways 1/76 scale slot car system. This had level crossings and some rare track pieces where the railway and road Shared one lane. TH-cam search will reward.
Ahh that's the one - I was trying to remember what it was called, thank you!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Tri Ang: Im glad i grew up with this
Hornby: But damn this is better
haha, I know what you mean!! xD
Errrrrrr...........52/6 equates to just over £2.62 in modern money (I was there at the time) so the cost comparison is even more devastating than you thought.
Thanks for this Roger, others pointed that out too - I think you're right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Although it was in the 1963 catalogue, I think it may have taken until 1964 to be available.
It was so amazing at the time that even Australian TV news at the time showed film of it running with smoke from a toy fair announcement. Very rare to see model trains on the news back then.
A later tv appearance of the Tri-ang Rocket was on a Faraday science lecture show where it failed to run when the elaborate set up completed the circuit. Confirming that it was not the most reliable Tri-ang loco.
A 1964 or 65 railway modeller, railway of the month was based on the Liverpool and Manchester opening, so relied on lots of Rockets with many converted to Northumbrian or similar. They commented on the delay in Rocket release causing problems.
Ahh interesting John, many thanks for the extra info! Yes the smoke unit was very impressive - I'm not surprised it was newsworthy!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Thanks Sam for a fascinating comparison! The only thing I don't like about the new Hornby version is the join line in the water barrel - it's one of those things that once noticed I can't keep from looking at. Happy Christmas and Stay Safe!
It's a pleasure Darrel - yes I'm not keen on that either - doesn't look good does it?
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Very interesting video, as always. But I'm not sure about your price comparison. There were 20 shillings to a pound, so 52 shillings and six pence would be £2.63. Using your inflation rate, that would make it about £50 it today's money, with the new version costing more than three times as much.
Thanks for sharing Keith - yes I've heard that, not sure what happened with my conversion then?! I'm not used to the old currency, total ignorance is probably to blame I'm afraid!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Thank you again Sam for another interesting video, the question I have is do you modify your points to enable the bigger flanged Triang rolling stock to clear as in the old rocket? as I have a lot of old stock and peco 100 track, thank you Sam, have a good Christmas and a Happy and Healthy new year, kindest regards , Paul.
Thanks very much Paul! No I don't modify the points - most of the early locos run fine, but for those that don't, I grind the flanges down!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The metal chimney on the Triang was so it could fit the seuthe smoke unit. 'S' designated model number
That's a good point - definitely wouldn't have worked had it been plastic!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Both models are great the triang one is great as they had to design it by looking at drawings and transferring what they saw to a model. The new one is great as it's a completely to scale accurate model of the real replica locomotive. The real Rocket looks slightly different from the replica version and can usually be seen in the science museum in London but I think it has travelled back to either the York or Shildon railway museum's
Thanks Ben, I agree - must have been a lot of work back in the 1960s, but probably even more now!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hi Sam , love the Rocket, shes absolutely beautiful! I am not far from the famous L&MR where she ran!
I must say that the livestream was quiet without Kelly , and she didn't turn up to mine either. Feel worried , so I sent her an email asking how she is.
Anyway I must thankyou for sending me a lovely email addressing issues with people in my videos , and it really helped me get through the situation , everything is back to normal now 🤞. I was building the London Tower Bridge in Minecraft for a TH-cam series when the notification popped up , and I was so surprised! Thankyou so much.
Hope everyone is great and Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
Thanks a lot mate! Ooh that's awesome - lucky you! I think she might have been scared off by my Christmas special - oops!! You're welcome my friend, I'm glad to hear things are normal again!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
That was a really cool video Sam.
I have the new Hornsby rocket on order.
Thank you for giving me an incite on what I will expect.
Cheers Sam
Thanks so much Matthew, ooh nice - hope you really enjoy it! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Ah yes, Hornsby
My 1979 Hornby catalogue includes a leaflet on the new live steam Rocket in 1/16th scale on 3.5 inch gauge track. Coaches later available.
This used compressed gas for steam raising. Plastic track as no electricity involved.
This scale gave models twice the size of gauge one or G scale standard gauge models.
Very expensive then and was only in production for a few years.
Did not work as well as hoped for.
Ahh yes - I've often wondered about those, very interesting things indeed!!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Great video as always Sam. You mentioned you added extra pickups to the Triang rocket. Any chance you could point me in the right direction on how to do this? Cheers. Jon
The Tri-ang version still would look pretty good even to this day!
Hey sam how long have you had the Tri-ang version?
Yeah I agree, still looks pretty! I've had it a good few years now! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was 10 in 1963 when Triang trains were in great demand at Christmas. Most children were more than happy, pretty much as stated with the quality. They were a 'special treat' gift. They were half toy, half model, and as such the original has great charm. I'm not a railway modeller but it would be difficult to chose which I'd like ! Perhaps the new one needs some old dirt. I wonder if the big coach was for tiny hands ?
Thanks for sharing Malcolm, yes that's absolutely right - half toy, half model indeed!
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I like the 2020 version more than the 1963 version because the detail on the 2020 version is so cool and my birthday is coming up in less than a week from now, about 4 ta 5 days from now so I hope you can do a few minute video on my birthday (Thursday 17th December), that will be much appreciated from you Sam. I'm not forcing you to do a recording on Thursday morning and releasing it a few hours later, I'm not that type of person. Even if you do a train review on my birthday, that would be SUPER cool.
Thanks for sharing Paul, that's very fair to say! I can do birthday videos mate, but only for Cheif Mechanical engineers! I hope you have a very happy birthday my friend! :D
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Hi sam great comparison. My grandparents got me couple of second hand model buildings that had lights fitted by the owner. Do you know any ideas or switchboards I can buy that wont blow up the bulbs?
Hmmm, you'd have to figure out what voltage they were - do you have a variable power supply you can use? You could just risk trying them on a 12v power supply, that's probably the most likely voltage!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Is the loco meant to be a different shade of yellow to the coaches?
Yes it's meant to be! :D
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Hey Sam got a problem hope you can help, I’ve bought a dcc fitted flying Scotsman for my 4 year old and I’ve bought a Hornby select controller and a digital track power bit that connects the controller to track, all track is probably connected but the train isn’t moving any reason why?
Try testing it on a separate piece of track.
Hmmm, have you tried programming a new address into the locomotive? The instructions should tell you how to do this. Do you have any other DCC locos you can test on the track?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Bachmann Norris 4-2-0 for the late 1830s era runs very well for its 1980s production era. The Prussia, Lafayette and Pegasus were some of the names used.
Possibly may outperform the 2020 Rocket. Little known. Worth a search.
Yes I've seen those - hopefully I'll do a video on those one day! :D
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@@SamsTrains these Norris 4-2-0s were used as Lickey bankers but around 1840 or so. Often running triple headed despite being one of the most powerful locos at the time. So reviewing these could also relate to calls for a Lickey banker review. Wish you would allow a link, but Google Norris Lickey banker.
From Wikipedia The first Lickey bankers were the American Norris 4-2-0s Class A Extra locomotives Philadelphia, Boston and William Gwynn delivered in May, June and December 1841 respectively.[8] They met the requirement to lift 75 tons up the incline at 15 miles per hour (24 km/h).[9] The arrival of Boston allowed operations over Lickey to commence to Croft Farm on 17 September 1841.[
Not a lot of people know that, to quote Michael Caine.
Good comparison, it’s nice to see them both side by side. You can now download the exploded diagram service sheet for the new Rocket at Lendons of Cardiff web site, it’s amazing to see just how many parts it uses. I’m still none the wiser of how it comes apart though I think there is some glue involved. Thankfully I was able to fix mine without doing so as it’s motor wasn’t properly engaged when I got it.
So glad I did get it on pre-order though as prices are crazy now, another reason for being so determined to fix it rather than send it back.
Thanks a lot Rob, and that sounds great - I'll look into doing that! Oh dear - not too appealing if there's glue involved! Very glad I pre-ordered too!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
I remember the Triang version coming out and thinking how fantastic it was. It had great lettering on the coach, enough detail and how did they manage to get such a small engine to run? This is a very fair test. Did you know Kitmaster made a plastic kit version in OO as well, possibly in the late 1960s? I had one of those, but there was no coach.
It must have been pretty amazing when it was first released - very impressive for the time! No I don't think I did know about the Kitmaster one!
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Kitmaster then passed to Airfix and still available from Dapol. My recollection was February 1959 price 3.shillings and 6 pence.
Fun fact about the Rocket The rocket was in a Thomas book and it looks super close to the new virson
Hi Sam, love the new look on the Rocket. I really fancy getting one of these but not sure if it could manage a 3% incline. Do you have any idea or be able to test it out on yours. I'd hate to pay that kind of money to find it won't go around my track ? Kindest regards, Rick
Sam would you think about making a vid going out to a railroad p anytime?
That sounds awesome - maybe one day!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, many thanks for this old and new review. I agree perfectly with your points, but do believe that the 1963 iteration of Rocket was an amazing model for it’s time. Indeed, it suffers only by way of comparison to the 2020 model, which is truly an amazing piece of craftsmanship. I would really love to hear the backstory of how Hornby decided to develop the 2020 version, and did so with such secrecy. I am very fortunate that I have the 1980s boxed set with Rocket and three cars and I preordered one of the Centenary sets which is amazing. I then searched about and was able to snag the regular issue as well. It is altogether fitting that this set was voted to be Hornby’s Best Ever locomotive. Sam, how are your fingers? Cheers.
Thanks John! Yes there's no doubt about it being an amazing model for it's time - very much so! The fingers are fine now thank you, haha!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Even the current NRM Rocket replicas have a lowered chimney to ensure clearances on British railways.
Some have issues with the 2020 if they have a very close to scale clearance model railway.
Ahh very interesting - thanks for sharing John!
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Very interesting indeed Sam. The manufacturers have certainly come a long way but, as you say, back in the 50's and 60's there were no CAD systems etc.. They did a wonderful job with what they had. Many thanks as always.
Thanks a lot Mike, yes very much so - still very impressive for the time!
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Some people have solved the choice problem by having the sixties Tri-ang, the eighties Hornby loco and three coach pack, the 2020 Tri-ang pack and the standard pack although they are waiting for the open third to arrive in Australia.
There is also the kitmaster then Airfix then Dapol plastic kit for Rocket.
Ahh very interesting - I like that approach very much!!
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Hi Sam, could you maybe do a comparison of the Triang and Hornby Scotsman’s?
Great idea Tee! :D
@@SamsTrains thanks Sam! Can’t wait for it!
Hi Sam any Mazak rot? 52 shillings and sixpence works out around £2.62 ish. Great review Sam all the best.
Actually just reading about the possible cause of this in the hornby 100 years book and it was due to the factory in China. It's a very interesting read.
Fortunately not - though there are examples of Mazak rot from their British-made models too, or so I hear!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
I wanted the Triang version of the Rocket. But being around 7 or 8yrs Old , my Dear Old Dad said " You would break it within a Week.!" & I had the Shits up for about as long. Until he Turned up with an 0.6.0 shunter.
Which I still have and it still goes. Sadly, as u may imagine very Play Worn.
But in Retrospect. I think Dad made the Right Choice all the way..!!
Great Video Sam. Very entertaining. And for me Nostalgic.
Thx for your efforts in production. Great work..!!
Cheers kim in Oz. 😎
Smart dad.
Yeah, that probably was smart - very fragile models by Tri-ang standard - the 0-6-0 sounds like a good choice, particularly as it's still around today!! :D
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The thing about the colors being different were actually quit normal in the old days, This was before RAL, NSCTS, RGB or any other precise color charts were popularized.
the only thing manufacturers or maintenance sheds had to go from was rough pigment recipes. A small deviation in the quality or quantity of ingredients could result in a different shade of the same color. Further cheaper pigments were sometimes used on carriages as opposed to locomotives and the cheapest paint was often used on freight cars.
Yes that's what I hear too - it's actually quite amazing that Hornby's models recreated the difference... could very easily have been overlooked!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Merry Juletid greetings from an N scale entusiast in Denmark. May you get lots of cool trains you can show us.
Not sure if it's just me, but my triang rocket has a little bit of some smoke from the funnel when it runs. Is that normal?
Why do you not use the new gauge master co troller?
This was just filmed a long while ago - been waiting to get it up!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
My earliest Rocket and three coaches is the gold and tan boxed (similar to the 2020 packaging) train pack. Released around 1982 with the catalogue number of R0796. I am not sure which version of Triang releases you have Sam of the Rocket. If it was the single release or one of the train packs with the three coaches. So I tried to dig out some old photos from the web to show the other readers the variations of the released productions of the loco, but one can't paste them to a comment. Though do, do a web search and you will find for starters:
Triang/Hornby R346 Loco & 1x Coach in a long Red Windowed box
Triang/Hornby R346C Loco & 3x Coach set in a Red outer box
Triang/Hornby R346C Loco & 3x Coach set in a White outer box
Hornby Railways R796 Loco 3x Coach set in a Gold & Tan Windowed box
Hornby R3810 Loco & 3x Coach set in a Yellow box (2020)
Triang/Hornby R3809 Loco & 3x Coach set in a Red box (2020) The 100th Centenary issue
G100 Hornby Live Stream loco only in the larger scale
and of course there are others by different manufactures, but we'll just stick to the Hornby related models, enjoy looking them up.
Ahh very interesting John - yes I'm not certain which mine was, it's an older one (as it has the duller wheels), and it only came with a single coach!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Re-edited the comment for the others Sam.
The old has an unbeatable antique charm to it. It makes it a pretty nice model to still display and show today, especially because it's still running perfectly fine after nearly 60 years! Don't think the modern one will survive the test of time that good...
You're right - it certainly has all the charm, no doubt about that! Will be interesting to see how long the modern one lasts!
Happy New Year - Sam :)
I think one of the problems concerning accuracy and dimensions is that we don't really know for sure. The original Rocket does survive but it was rebuilt later in its life and furthermore quite a few bits are missing. There are various contemporary drawings and sketches but some details are contradictory so it's difficult to know who to trust. There are various replicas in existence, some of which are more accurate than others, and a lot of research went into their creation. But when it comes to such questions as the height of the original chimney, I think we will never know for sure.
Yes that's a very good point - we can say that Hornby's is very accurate to the NRM replica, I suppose that's it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I feel like the funnel is the smokebox since it never had a smokebox
haha I guess you could be right! xD
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The black bit under the funnel is the smoke box I think
@@SamsTrains when the smokebox was invented the original Rocket was converted to have one. This model tries to replicate the original condition as in the numerous replicas. The clever company from Newcastle soon saw the need for a smokebox. A time of rapid development. Rocket soon giving way to Northumbrian, Planet then Patentee in a few short years.
The Rocket, I have to say, is absolutely brilliant for a locomotive that pioneered the start of the era of railway steam locomotives in the 19th century and the locomotive is absolutely amazing and I think George Stephenson did a brilliant job for a locomotive, before the replica was built in the 1970’s of course.
Yeah you're right Lewis, a fantastic innovation indeed! :D
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It was Robert Stephenson responsible for Rocket building at Newcastle. George had his hands full on site with the Liverpool and Manchester civil engineering, politics and finances. Remember my fifth grade teacher telling me this after creating a diorama with a plastic kit of Rocket out of a cereal packet in what was later called N scale. This was close after the Tri-ang announcement.
There is very learned TH-cam vid by Anthony Dawson on Rocket posted a few months back that goes into great detail.
Will you make a warwell load of the 1963 rocket
I could do - great idea! :D
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Sam'sTrains I celebrate Hanukkah not Christmas
hello sam to me both models have advantages in their own ways, the new one is more detailed but can only pull the rocket coaches that came in the set and the 3rd class coach, and the old one is less detailed but can be coupled up like any other model but if i had to choose one it would be the new one because it is just beautiful and will you do another one of these with the dapol and bachmann 43xx models and love the video from david
Thanks for sharing David, I agree with that!
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How did you get yours to run so well!
It was quite tricky (the tri-ang one), the new Hornby one ran really well from the start! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
He was in King of the railway and Anthony spelled in 1800 usually I think it was an 1806 or 1800 or somewhere in the 19th
I think the metal chimney on the Tri-ang model was because they originally had a smoke unit
Yes that may be true actually - good point!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Another top review and comparison between vintage and modern hornby. Was thinking wouldn't it be great if hornby made rocket in her remaining state as seen in the museum. Keep up the great work mate. 👍
Yeah that would be super interesting, though it would involve a new tooling probably, as it's completely different now!
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And to you too mate happy modelling 😊
Amazing it’s got a 5 pole motor when Bachmann fitting Coreless motors to J72, 94XX and Precursor
I agree - fantastic that they were able to fit such a motor inside this one!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very interesting, even if you are not a vintage train collector. Both models have their interest, the latest as an accurate model of the prototype, the first as an interesting piece of vintage technology.
Those both are not really usable as trains you can run to simulate a real network activity due to the historical setting of the prototype. Anyway, they are more shelf models you can run, in my opinion. And both are usable as this.
I agree Oliver, both very interesting models indeed, and both more than usable! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Any chance of getting a hold of the KR Models GT3? That thing looks amazing.
I am hoping to - they do look amazing! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains and a merry christmas to you too, good sir!
Hi Sam. Nice comparison of the two Rockets. I need to challenge you on the 1965 price of the Triang version; 52s6d = 52.5s / 20s per pound = £2.62½! Correspondingly, the 2020 equivalent would be less than £120 (I'll let you do the maths on that one!). Hmmm... old Gaugemaster controller?
Thanks a lot Paul, yes you are right - others said the same too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
15:24 when ‘Rocket’ wastes no time when he meets ‘Circle.’
haha! xD
@@SamsTrains that is train model ?
The Australian 1966 price for the Rocket and coach set was $10.95.
For 5 cents more you could purchase the R450 Sydney suburban EMU two car set. These Australian made overhead electric suburbans from Tri-ang now go for in excess of $2000, such is their rarity now.
That's very interesting John, thanks for the comparison there! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Any other old vs new episodes in the works Sam?
Not right now, but definitely more in the future! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hey Sam, I have a question. I have saved up a bit of money and was wondering if I should get a OO scale flying Scotsman
Sure! Hornby's Scotsman models are really nice! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains ty :D and I’ll always be here
I think the Triang deserves credit for the fact that it has lasted since 1963! That was 5 years before my mum was born!
Yeah that's true - they were around a long time!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I reckon the old model should of been called Stephensons Missile
Great video Sam
Thanks
Nick Australia
haha that would have been awesome actually!! ;D
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I would still prefer the Tri-ang one
I'm an uncurable nostalgic lol
haha that's fair - nostalgia must be a huge factor!
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@@SamsTrains happy christmas to you too Sam! 🎅🏻
Sam, maybe file down the posts to make the barrel sit properly.
Great video.
Yeah, that's not a bad idea!
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Sam enjoyed the "ragtime" music for the two rockets. Just wondered if you will be 'gearing down' your crane sometime ? I think Health & Safety will be concerned about the load flying about like that....Great review though.
haha thanks Dave - not a bad idea actually, lol! ;D
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Certainly is a very interesting contrast. Enjoyed every moment of this. The new Rocket really is one of Hornby's greatest achievements and a perfect example of how far modelling has come since the 60's but nevertheless Triang certainly delivered with what was available. The triang one still has it's legacy even now as that tooling appears to have been reused in the Great British Locomotives Magazine Collection for a non-motorized variant. Bigger steam locomotives have certainly got better with newer tech but there's not many that can have as drastic a change as Hornby's Rocket since their mechanisms usually wouldn't interfere with the look as there was enough space to tuck them away most of the time. Would love to see Hornby tackle a new Pug model. Reckon this time they could eliminate the motor taking up the cab.
The mag laser scanned old models rather than get permission to use old tooling. A new broom at Hornby destroyed most Triang tooling that was not in use in China about ten years ago.
@@johnd8892 Ah fair enough. That's interesting to hear. It makes sense when the model in the magazine even has the block between the wheels that would normally house the motor. I know Hornby does have some things that were simply lost to time.
@@Damocles178 record survivor seems to be the Tri-ang three lineside huts I think from 1958.
Others were the Lord of the Isles and Caledonian 123 and coaches . I think due to being in China for production.
Even the righties APT tooling was scrapped. issue talked about was it was deemed unsafe to get the heavy tooling off the Margate too flimsey storage racks or not enough working clearances for a forklift. Did not want storage rack dominoes happening. May also have been an accounting write off. Simon Kohler talks about this decision, not taken by him, guardidly at times.
Thanks so much - I agree, easily one of their most impressive models! I didn't know the magazine model was based on tri-ang's, is that true?!?
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains John did reply to me explaining that the models the magazine used were laser scans of existing models. I'm pretty sure the Rocket included in those Magazines was probably scanned from Triangs old model. I could be wrong of course but I don't know of very many that look like that. :)
If I’m being honest I think Sam is the best reviewer there is end of discussion.
Awhh thank you so much!! :D
I prefer the triang chimney then the 2020 as it looks more realistic. But I do prefer the 2020 as a whole great comparison Sam 🙂🙂
That's fair enough, the old chimney does look nice in metal, though not so realistic of course! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The Triang Rocket had to have an oversize metal chimney as it contained a "brass tube" style smoke unit!
*This is the thing I needed in life* Well done Sam!
haha thank you so much!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam,nice review of these two locos,I own the 2020 version and wanted one since they came out,alot has definitely changed in the years.mine is still in the box.
Thanks very much Steven - do you plan to run yours? ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains,I plan to keep it in the box.
Which one do you think will have more play in it??🙂just wondered
Good question! I think it'd obviously be the tri-ang one, though they don't work as well as the new Hornby version, so it's swings and roundabouts!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
In my view, the biggest engineering blunder in 2020 model is the wires going from Loco to tender. They are too too delicate and break frequently. I would hornby, I wish I used tiny connector like SHS relimate small size connector for this wires connections.
It may seen as improper scaling, but I feel better than breaking them frequently.
Yes you are right - I've heard others complain of this - mine has been fine so far, but the connection is a very poor design indeed!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for the video Sam that was a really interesting comparison! Do you know if Hornby will be making another batch of these Rockets? I liked how you gave a nod to how revolutionary the old Triang version was for the hobby. Merry Christmas!
Thanks so much Harry! Fingers crossed Hornby will be announcing a new Rocket set for 2021! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Thanks Sam! I enjoy both models for different reasons. I always laugh when I see the old one going so fast. All I can hear in my head is the Theme from the Benny Hill Show!
Thanks a lot Ian - yeah it's very speedy isn't it?!? :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hi sam,
It's indeed comparing some with 60 year of difference, at time no one heard of a computer design.
I would be the equivalent of comparing the safety features of a 60's car with a modern car.
I love the new Rocket of course, the only thing that borders me a bit about it, is the yellow water tank on the tender, why didn't they make it in a wood color, as it should have been???
It would have hided the split so much better…
haha you're right Danny! I'm pretty sure the barrel is painted yellow on the replica, and that's what this was based on!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, then they must have used an other replica, because look a the 9:44 minute in your video, that barrel looks pretty brown to me…
Happy Hollidays…
Both are lovely but I cannot see any new models standing the test of time like the Tri-ang has
This is true - I'd be interested to see how long they really last!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, top video once again. Best way to look at these two; How thrilled would you have been to get the original one as a Christmas present in 1963 and how thrilled would you be to get the new one for Christmas this year? Tough call but maybe the original?
Thanks so much! Ooh I would have been equally thrilled with either I think! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice vid
Edit:Sam I would really like to get into the hobby so can I ask if the Hornby's Flying Scotsman set is good for a beginner like me?
Thank you! :D
:D
Great vid. I I am shocked that the order rocket is not tender driven
Me too - quite impressive isn't that?! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Hi sam
This is a very interesting video and a fair comparison in my opinion.
1960s rocket was breaking for the times which Simon kohler has said on more than one occasion
Please keep safe
Keep safe arp
Thanks Adi, yeah I agree with that - amazing for the time, no doubt about it!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
I'm didn't know that your triage rocket was that old but I still think that the new rocket is the locomotive in your collection in my opinion!
Yeah I know - it doesn't really look that old does it?!
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Interesting comparison.-Ben
Thanks a lot Ben! :D
I have to say, the new Hornby version looks much more crisp and perfect than the old Triang version of Stephenson’s Rocket! Everyone is probably gonna say the new one looks much better than the old one although we might get some people saying they like the old one if they grew up as a child with this train in model form back in the old years! Overall, these 2 Stephenson Rocket models look great either way! 😃👍
Yes it certainly does - I think it looks better! Nostalgia plays a big part, so the old Rocket still got a few votes!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Sam do you have to run in wagons to get the wheels smooth
Brad. I like your videos
No you don't Brad! And thanks so much! :D
Hi sam i loved the video and the music at the begging game also enjoyed the stream as well!
Thanks so much Myles! :D
I know this isn’t a railway engine but could you do a traction engine?
Great idea, that'd be great fun!! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains merry christmas
Nice video mate never knew they made a new one! Which do u like better
Thank you!! Got to be the new one for me I think, though I love both! :D
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At first glance you would imagine the Hornby version was HO scale and the Tri-ang was OO gauge!
haha it certainly does look that way! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam how you been . Good review were can I buy I really want to buy
I'm great thanks Graham, how are you? Sadly they're all sold out now - fingers crossed for more next year!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I am fine were can I buy than train and if you see on can u message me please
Funny how that the real ones only went 29 mph. But here they’re doing like well over 100 mph (scale). Since the voltage is only being drawn from one set of wheels, there’s very little resistance so more of that energy can be channeled into the motor.
Old one had four wheel pickup. New one all wheels on loco and tender pickup.
Speed too fast due fast motors and not being geared down enough.
Yeah totally - these models struggle with 29mph scale speed, will have to measure the scale speed one day!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Huge differance..I too have the old Tr-ang version...the old version also was a smoker..
Ahh very nice - yeah the smoke was a cool feature! :D
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I like how the Rockets are facing each other like in the Transcontinental Railroad completion photo.
haha thank you!! xD
Hey Sam, will you ever review a N Scale Train Set?
Maybe one day!! :D
Interesting how easy the Tri-ang is to disassemble compared to the 2020. Understand why you did not try to open the 2020.
The curse of DCC with the barrel and flimsey multiple wires. And very rare to get it working on DCC without huge work. Definitely not a plug and play as Hornby advise.
A few owners wasting a lot of time with the new couplings . Needs an extra coupling option.
Very much so - I haven't dared try that one yet!! Yes I've heard horror stories about the wires and DCC use - another rabbit hole I don't want to go down!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Very interesting. The new version is of course way better than the 60's one, but the old one has lasted 55 years and does have its own charm.
Thanks Ian - that's true - lasting 55 years is no mean feat... wonder if the modern ones will last that long?!
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
20 décembre 2023
Bonjour
Je suis francais et j'adore la rocket , ma 1ere loco a mes 5/7 ans (noel 63/64) elle roule toujours très bien
Bref... tres bon sujet
Il y a eu une autre série pour son anniversaire dans les années 80 en coffret marron ( que jai aussi) roues avec tours metal,
Noms différents sur wagons etc
Et, un peu mieux fini
Je recherche toujours a les ameliorer
Question
A la traduction, vous rajoutez des "micros" qu'est ce c'est ?
Je ne sais pas si vous savez, mais le chassis tres bas , que vous décriviez, a une utilité
Il y a un aimant , pour aider la loco a rester sur les rails , pour eviter le déraillement !
Voila
Merci pour ttoutes ces expliquations
Sympa bonne soiree
Triang trains like Hornby Dublo before it were aimed at the toy market never meant to be super detailed models the market for detailed models was way into the future. The Triang Rocket is solidly made for young hands to play with the Hornby one is not really for young collectors more a display piece. Both have their merits but the Triang one for me has its charms.
Yes that's very true Peter - a key difference!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope Hornby makes more Rockets, or maybe even another early locomotive. The 2020 ones sold out too darn fast for me!
Me too - let's hope for more next year! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
The old one really does look surprisingly good for its age.
Yeah I think it does too! :D
That seam on the water barrel would drive me nuts.
Yep! As it does me too! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They re Released it some time ago, but it was still the same c1960’s model. I still have my model but sadly it no longer runs, (or at least not as good as it used to)
Yes they did - it has the shinier wheels! Sorry to hear it's not so good now :(
Merry Christmas - Sam :)