Was Hegel a Mystic?
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- Exploring Hegel’s relationship with Mysticism. Beginning with an introduction and biographical sketch of Hegel's life and a summary of his philosophical system. Next we discuss the various debates in the interpretation of Hegel's work. Following which we present his mystical influences and examine the mysticism in Hegel's own writings, as well as criticism of his 'mysticism'.
Dylan Shaul is a PhD candidate in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Toronto. His dissertation is titled Hegel's Concept of Reconciliation: On Absolute Spirit. He has also published on Spinoza, Kant, Kierkegaard, Husserl, Adorno, Levinas, Kristeva, and Derrida. See more of his work here: www.dylanshaul.com
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00:00 1. Introduction
03:04 2. Biographical Background
04:44 3. Summary of Hegel’s System
09:51 4. Debates in Hegel Interpretation
12:51 5. Hegel’s Mystical Influences
21:28 6. Mysticism in Hegel’s Works
34:18 7. Criticism of Hegel
42:39 8. Final Words
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Ah, Hegel - I remember him fondly. When we had a class at university (I studied theology, philosophy and sociology) on Hegels "Phänomenologie des Geistes" I remembered something the philosophy professor had said - "when doing a class about a book it's expected that you read it at least once completely but better would be 3 times". So I read it once (being lazy) only to find out - "the class will only be about the introduction" (the first 80 pages or something like that). The prof also told us, "if you wanna study the whole book on a university level, it takes 8 semesters." I think it was one chapter in one semester.
I also noticed, when you read the book quickly, it's easier to understand than reading it slowly - because often Hegel needs a couple of pages to elaborate on one idea and the text is so complex that at the end you can't remember where he started out.
But the few things I did understand, actually made a lot of sense, like "die Selbstbewegung des Begriffs", which was what I wrote a paper about for my grade in that class.
Yep, got a blizzard coming in tomorrow - going to enjoy this one.
Nothing like Hegel to keep the blood warm ;)
@@SeekersofUnity cozy up with the Absolute!
This is the most sense Hegel has ever made to me. I’ve tried reading him before, but didn’t grasp any of it. Looking at it now as kind of a rationalist exegesis of Christian Neoplatonism it all seems much clearer.
See Magee's _Hermetic Hegel_ for more.
This was really good. A video on Deleuze, Hermeticism and his Anti-Heglianism would be nice :)
Thank you Yume 🙏🏼
I hope Dylan becomes a reappearing face on this channel. This was an absolutely wonderful lecture, and a wonderful introduction to Hegel. Bravo!
Bro it looks like you're just having a fun time it brings me joy with the way you present the subject with that smiling expression keep up the good work. Whoever is doing the graphics are better than your average comedian kudos
That was an astoundingly clear presentation of Hegel. Will be thinking about this one for a while...
Philosophy and logic are also important in many forms of Asian mysticism. For example, in some forms of Śaiva Tantra there is a practice of systematically refining one’s mental constructs (vikalpa-s) by identifying misaligned thought-patterns and gradually replacing them with thought constructs that are aligned with universal consciousness. E.g. one with a thought construct “I am unlovable” could be replaced with a “pure thought construct” (śuddha vikalpa) such as “the limitless love of Śiva is the essence of my being.” This partly involves philosophy and partly repetition of pure thought constructs. Eventually, once one’s mind has been purified and aligned with Reality, one may experience a spontaneous, non-conceptual (nirvikalpa) state of absorption in universal consciousness - a similar state as to one that can be reached through meditation or devotional ecstasy.
So, logic can play a role in mysticism, but it’s a means rather than an end. Logic can also become a trap, like getting tangled up in your escape rope. Getting caught up in relatively pure/religious concepts and turning them into crystallized dogmas rather than using concepts to go beyond concepts is extremely common among mystics. I personally also think people tend to rely too heavily on reason while neglecting more intuitive and empathic qualities. “The way that can be spoken of is not the eternal Way; the name that can be named is not the eternal Name.”
Every spiritual path leads to somewhere. The REAL question you should ask yourself is "where to?".
Well said
psycho babble
@@mercutiomurphy2743 It is psycho babble. But true spirituality is not. Very much real.
when reason and rationality reach the predictable dead end, mysticism and speculation say, "we'll take it from here". If reason is honored, mysticism grows in valuable ways, if not it loses its ability to communicate. In college I read Hegel with interest, but could not tell you a damn thing about what he believed. I'm still that way....
This is 'Absolutely' fantastic!
A great representation of a fascinating subject.
Thank you for sharing ❤️🙏
You're most welcome Leo. Thank you for joining us. Glad you enjoyed it.
Very well done indeed! Hegel is indeed a treasure trove of deep insight and you have given us more than a peek into that.
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Indeed. A lot of strange things going on in the world today seem not so strange after all if seen in the light of Hegel (and Lacan.)
This was gold. I had Phenomenology of Spirit, never got around reading it. I was intimidated. I never came across anything remotely as clearly and concisely laid out as this. Mind blown. Hypothetically, I'm sure that if you had to live with a bad stroke and drag yourself through the gutter, yet had a gun and was able to end it all, Hegel would be keen on just having this attitude of, just bring it on,.let's run out this course naturally. People, more often than not die slowly in gnarly ways and I guess Hegel sees some kind of purpose in that. I don't know. I wonder what his lasts words were. I wanted to edit this and ad that I think the key is to understand that the infinite is not infinite without the finite and that God would not be God if he did not bring "things"/us into existence. Also that he cancels out Truth in order for things to exist. And perhaps the fractal triads within triads has something to do with Heraclitus who'm Nietzsche was so fond of. A state of flux. Movement. I was perplexed by the flaw-ness of existence/form and decay therein. Perceived "decay"? Perhaps a nothing more than a poetic quality judgement of Daesin or The way and perhaps, if I understood it correctly one must see God in that too as part of the whole neverending process. But ALL of that MUST transcend into real life experience, whether you're stranded on a freeway with a broken car or just about to have your leg amputated due to severe dietetic induced gangrene this awareness has to be present at all times. The finite and infinite are concepts, like a drawing of a loaf of 🍞. It's not it. In other words a sort of awakening to it must occur which brings Will into the game as according to Hegel, apparently, God is always in that state of active and I tense focus and he doesn't fall into default hypnotic brain mode like we do, a mental stupor of sorts. As the Armenian mystic Gurdjief would say that people sleepwalk through life.
I have not yet watched this video, but my instinct is "Yes, He most certainly was."
I have not yet watched it and my instinct is, 'No, he certainly was not! No one who wrote that hideous Jesus is a Kantian book could be a mystic. Sure, he takes over certain themes from Boheme and Eckart but these are transformed into his own proto-modernist cum secularist theory. He is religiously unmusical.
_uh, how about have you READ HIS BOOKS?_
@An Humble Messenger of the Law of One Unfortunately, I've spent a decade of my life reading that mofo's books.
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!
but I should definitely finish watching the video at some point
This is the best vid on Hegel I have seen in all YT. There is no point in understanding a philosopher's concepts, if you don't elucidate how they relate to the whole of existance.
this has to be the best hegel introduction I've seen in my life, blessings to both of you
Dylan knocked it outta the park. Thank you AverageDud.
@@SeekersofUnity thanks to you too
If you were standing before me, I would stand up and applaud! This is a wonderfully lucid exposition of Hegel in relation to mysticism. Thanks for the reference to Magee. I intend to read his book on the matter.
Being! ' Union of Spirit and ascending to Spirit ', forgive all and be in all for that is love. Experience of the spirit is always in union when we forgive and let go. Thank you.
I would highly recommend reading Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition by Glenn Alexander Magee. If you enjoyed this video you will likely appreciate this book as well.
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Brilliant!
Thank you Filip. Dylan did a fantastic job.
great presentation quality , enjoyed the pace and quote selections . Thank you for making it interesting and accessible . Keep up the wonderful work!
Thank you, I very much enjoyed learning about Hegel 🙏🏻✨ Very interesting what was said on reason. It seems that many of these philosophers really felt this unceasing love, yet because it’s so hard to explain they try to explain it, and do so relatively well. Even to set out to try to make a model for something that is so hard to make sense of, I give him a lot of credit for. Although she is a mystic, and not a philosopher, I very much enjoy the mirror of simple souls back-and-forth between reason and love of Margueritte Porete. The Meister Eckhart quote you featured says it all to me, I don’t need all the explanations but I do enjoy listening to the rationale. Great episode! 🙏🏻✨
thank you so much this was beautiful
I'm a bit shocked by how shallow my understanding (no pun intended) of Hegel has been. This wise man is a true treasure trove, thanks for showing me this.
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Nah, Hegel is pure dysmemics and should be tossed on the trash heap of history. His Phenomenology of Being is pure cloud-cuckoolander gobbeldygook. I mean, "pure being is indistinguishable from pure nothingness", what does that even mean? What sort of person seriously dwells on that when there are real problems to be solved in the world?
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Thank you so much! You answer years and years of confusion truly enlightening 🙏
Thank you for joining us Richard. Dylan is a gem.
You have provided a wonderful intro to Hegel for me I hope you provide more in depth videos like this on him
Brilliant--thank you! I started thinking I must be a Hegelian, but then Schelling came along and sorted that out. I've used "tout comprendre..." myself a lot in the past few years. You really took it to the max in your closing minutes--thanks again.
Brilliant. Just reaffirms my feelings that Hegel is intellectualisation of mysticism and thus serves many a purpose. When we are in the flow and translating what arrives as chochmah inspiration into profoundly insightful, but ultimately incomplete, words it can feel so uplifting, transcendent, healing, but we always run the risk of confusing the map we produce with the reality we obliquely view...
I am grateful to find this video and have a somewhat tangible footing on Hegel. It (re-)ignited my interest and love for philosophy, and now I re-started my joruney through the joy of wisdom.
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Excellent presentation. Hegel a mystic? Any leader of Western philosophy is one who helped take philosophy AWAY from mystical revealed Truth (the way of the pre-Socratics and Socrates himself) and into the satanic, which is a manmade counterfeit that Plato flirted with and Aristotle adopted entirely. And they did this by erring to believe that man's thought is RATIONAL. It is not. That which is LIMITED is irrational by definition. And the only foundation of Reason is LOVE, because the One IS love: the communion of Thought in the Mind that is ALL, the Mind that is "GOD." It sounds like Hegel may have been misinterpreted, but the effect was the same in any case. Hitler loved Hegel! And after watching your excellent presentation, I see Hegel's fatal error clearly. Because, Reason is NOT superior to Understanding. Reason's only purpose is to lead one TO Understanding, which is revealed by the Divine and cannot be captured by limited (irrational) thought. I communicate only through my site.
Never understood Hegel more than I do now, thank you for your clear and engaging delivery.
You’re most welcome. Glad we could help.
What a marvellous exposition! Thank you!
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I clicked this on a whim, 5 min in...
Thanks! This seems interesting and I like your approach.
Happy New Year!
Welcome in 🙏🏼🥳
Well done! Very much appreciated this one.
"Everything rational is to be called at the same time, mystical."
Definitely gonna hold onto that little gem!
Also... This is my first encounter with Dylan Shaul, and I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed his presentation. Looking forward to hearing more from him in the future.
I may be wrong, but I get the impression that Hegel makes the mistake of conceptualising the absolute. The absolute is non conceptual (although it can neither be said, nor not be said to be). To paraphrase the samdhinirmocana sutra
I think Hegel would really have benefitted from reading some of the works of Nagarjuna, because Hegel makes the error of 'The night in which all cows are black' which seems like a nihilism, but missing the point that the absolute is 'sunyata'.
(Edit, just got to the part where he is criticised, and they say the same as I did lol).
The part at 26:50 is identical to the prajnaparamita sutra. "All being and non-being are equally empty" (form is emptiness, emptiness is form).
(the same is true of feelings, perceptions, mental formations, and consciousness).
All is sunyam
An struggling through Glenn Alexander Magee right now, this was helpful thanks
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Wonderful. Thank you. That distinction you make at the end between Schelling and Hegel is very edyfying...the nuances are so fine and you manage to expose them so well.
As a Vedantist for me Hegel is a Jnani...the path to the divine via Knowledge...but this path is insufficient on its own...because experience IS.
I always find myself wishing Parmenides could wave his wand over us stragglers in metaphysics.
This is the best introduction to Hegel I've ever seen, and I've scoured TH-cam for this concision as well as depth. Most default to master versus slave idea or something equally as shallow.
Thank you!!
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Deeply enjoyed this. Thank you!
Our please. Glad you did. Welcome to the channel 🙏🏼
is mind blowing , it's as if you've just explain somethings in plain English I've been grasping at for a long time, but could never quite pin down
It's an honor and pleasure to serve, in plain English ;)
Beautiful, thanks for the positive turn torwards the mystical side of Hegel. Love Zizek helping shine light on Hegel. This is a wonder overview and light to help break the cloud of English post hate towards Hegel after world wars. All of my studying of the mystic have led me to Hegel🤗
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Good one. Definitely one of my favorite channels.
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Do the same with Schelling :D this was a fascinating presentation. I'm currently reading "the ages of the world" and it feels like coming home. Best of both worlds where philosophy and mysticism meet
love seeing that aurobindo on the bookshelf. great video, thank you for the references and video. subscribed!
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Masterful work, thank you very much!
Thank you Gianmarco 🙏🏼
This is amazing. I truly feel wonderful. Thank you so much
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I am currently working my way through Hegel's encyclopedia... thank you for this.
Glad it was helpful.
This was wonderful! I think the CTMU (Cognitive-Theoretics Model of the Universe) might the most comprehensive use of reason in grasping the mystical and rendering it understandable.
This video is so well done! Well spoken and S Tier level of meme usage … thank you!!
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This is excellent and really helpful. It's good to find mention of Magee's Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition. J.N. Findlay's later discussions of Hegel in The Transcendence of the Cave (his second series of Gifford Lectures) and Ascent to Absolute are also good in this connection. Both have been republished by Routledge. Also, Cyril O'Regan's The Heterodox Hegel (SUNY Press, 1994), difficult though it is. You probably know these texts already . . .
Excellent. My warmest congratulations!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Phenomenal lecture ! Thank you so much
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a wonderful teaching. i hope to find more of your lectures
Thank you Lea. Please do.
Very nice presentation. Thank you.
It is a big challenge to talk about this great philosopher.
My comments:
Why not talking about mediation to recenter the mystic issue in Hegel philosophy?
Confusions and critics unfortunately had never stopped against Hegel philosophy, mainly because of his approach tending to reach the Absolute and the Infinite. This might be the main common terms with the Mystics, despite various critics telling us that the God of Hegel is not the God of the true religion.
On the other side, the main difference, in my opinion, is that Hegel understanding of mankind and history, was envisaged by him as a whole, while mystics being more a strictly individual ascendant pathway.
As we say in french "tous les chemins menent a Rome".
What a great well explain valuble video. Thanks a lot for this gift, God bless you!
Glad you appreciated it Angel 😇
Thank you for this outstanding breakdown!
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The reason elements: "Where am I right, where am I wrong?"
The receptive elements: "What am I doing here?"
I like seeing now the sorta ties in how human information is all evocative (attentional, prioritizing) fishing for semiotics (world data)
My new favourite channel.
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The tale of Hegel's last words indicates a profoundly alienated person.
I like that you mention contemporaines
Amazing work. MORE
Thanks friend. More to come.
The mystic of the Law will philosophize wisdom. Hegel was very good at putting into words difficult subjects and topics and matters
This was a great video, I hope you succeeded in getting your doctorate.
Congrats. This is a great explanation of Hegel’s views.
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Hegel is basically a Proclean. While Plotinus developed triadic structure (the one, nous, and life), it was Proclus who developed triad within triad. Each triad has their own triadic internal structure.
Amazing video! Thank you 🙏🏽
Glad you enjoyed it Yamen 🙏🏼
Wowzer 😮absolutely fascinating!
Thank you Jony.
Very nice work on your part. For me there is no doubt that Hegel, Heidegger and many others are recapitulating Buddhist philosophy/ideology. properly understood. Two but not two; not two but two. The object and subject are one entity so that if you worship something apart from your own pristine connection to LIFE itself, you are engaged in a provisional practice and not the essential practice. I
Nicely done!
Simply outstanding,
Thank you Dale 🙏🏼
Phenomenal coverage here, right up there with McGowans takes. And those memes were absolutely hilarious 🔥
Thank you friend. Much appreciated.
Thank you so much! Muito obrigado!
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A wonderful video, thankyou.
You’re most welcome. Thank you Baruch 🙏🏼
So clear. Thank you. 😀
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i would love to see you talking about Cul-Han's response to Hegel in contrast with the Zen tradition.
This triangular model clarifies a difficult group of sets of oppositions. I think you nailed it--Hegel's philosophy is a triune fractal. But sets themselves involve Russel's paradox, and Cantor's conclusions of diagonal numbers bring no arrival of absolute absoluteness to human understanding. Gnosis is like PI; the circle with a boundless radius never closes where it began. Ayin Soph, boundless nothing, illuminates no cows in darkness. The Magician may be 1, but the Fool is 0, and 1 and 0 are no unity, because zero does not combine with anything. Infinity raised to the power of zero however is 1, and negative infinity raised to the power of zero is 1, yet negative infinity is not equal to infinity. Yet 1-1=0. We see why more empiricism had to follow; if the absolute cannot be perceived, then some medium of conjunction or entailment is necessary, but this indicates, by itself no coalescence of opposites. Tao, by contrast, never fully seeks to resolve in a single absolute. The mystic, according to MacGregor Mathers, is a "potential existence;" as opposed to a "potential subsistence." This idea echoes Wittgenstein's statement in his Tracitus; death is not something that is lived through. Whether or not God dies is unknowable; the absolute of man is reached when he ceases to become, which looks a lot like death...
Finally a good vid on Hegel. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. Welcome.
Great video! Thanks for your work towards helping God become!
Thank you Paul.
This video is such a well constructed encapsulation of the concepts, I had to comment again. While Leibniz is frequently cited as to his relevance to computational logic, Hegel is not frequently cited for his contribution to calculating machines. On reviewing the notion of "becoming" again, I see a state machine. Our very ability to perceive time depends upon the dialectic between the previous state and the next one in our awareness. The present is always already gone by the instant it is processed, and the future is only what may be inferred by the most recent capture of the past. It is indeed nothing, and yet all there is...
Thank you for the video! How about a library tour at some point? 🙂
It's funny, it is possible to understand Hegel but you need a personal experience of the Divine. Next level prank. Great intro to Hegel, thanks!
This is a really good video.
41:02 what a modest guy
Awesome work
Thank you friend 🙏🏼
Great video !
Glad you liked it 🙏🏼
This is a very interesting string. As a person looking at the sysnergy with Nietzsche > Jung > and back to Bharata and Vedic philosophy, maybe earlier even? I began pulling on the string of: Shakti in Sanskrit, Koinonia in Greek. The unity of the message of 'CittaMatra' - all is mind born, made possible by providence - by what name you wish... Equanimity applied to humanity and matter?
Kenosis is a complicated idea - but once we understand that it resonates with the teaching of Anattā: not-self in Sanskrit. This opens the understanding to 'emptying oneself of a selfish aspect', filling oneself with the aspect of being better than your previous self(Hemingway). Filling oneself with the perfected ideal(Bodhisattva/Christos the anointed one). We begin to see this synergy. An example being the recently (re)opened debate on Pyrrhonism. The truth of northern India/Taxila and the influence of pro-traditions of many kinds... We must use doubt as guide - CS Pierce. Tat Tvam Asi as a great example - meaning we are part of the unity - I am that, that thou are... Maya/illusion is the Divine... No separation between the self, the other, and conventional reality...
Hi Dylan, thank you very much for this excellent talk on Hegel. It has given me a lot of food for thought.
One question I would like to ask you is from your video when you describe Hegel’s relationship between Being and Nothing, where it is stated that the synthesis of these two is found in Becoming.
I’m writing to you now because I can see how this relationship could lead to violence quite easily if this process of Becoming was identified with human will.
Have you read any of the ideas of David Boehm at all? He seems to suggest that the relationship between Being and Nothing is in fact, perfect in the Now, and from our human perspective, the actuality of ‘What Is’ unfolds and enfolds in an infinite ebb and flow, not in time but in Choiceless Awareness.
To remove time from this system of understanding removes the dangers of the eruption of violence completely, leaving ‘What Is’ to express itself perfectly to infinity, the expression of which is love.
I’d like to hear what thoughts you may have on this rather crude summary that is my present understanding. Thank you.
Hi Trevor, thanks for your question. I don't think that Hegel would identify the process of Becoming with the human will. As a determination of Logic (i.e. the Absolute Idea in its logical mode), Becoming encompasses all things, including but not limited to human beings. Importantly, there is no end-goal that this Becoming is trying to reach: at every moment, the infinite flow of everything is 'perfect', so to speak. Notably, later in the Logic, Hegel identifies the Universal Concept as a non-violent free love: "The Universal is therefore free power; it is itself while reaching out to its other and embracing it, but without doing violence to it; on the contrary, it is at rest in its other as in its own. Just as it has been called free power, it could also be called free love and boundless blessedness, for it relates to that which is distinct from it as to itself; in it, it has returned to itself." (WL 12.35)
@@dylans3307 Hi Dylan, thank you so much for getting back to me with such an illuminating and insightful answer to my enquiry. Your words have made me think again about all sorts of vague misconceptions and suspicions that I have had about the link between Hegel, Heidegger and eventually Hitler.
I’m amazed to read terms Hegel used such as ‘boundless blessedness’, ‘free love’, and the notion of the Universal as being at rest in itself is quite something.
Thank you once again for taking the time to help me in the way that you have, your message has been most enlightening, and I’m sure it will help to open many doors for me in the future.
Excellent video
Thank you Yosef. Dylan is a gem.
24:20 is there anything you can say about the decagram presented here? I've always had a fascination with it but have struggled to find much regarding the use of it. 8, 9, and 12 pointed stars seem more common and have more in the way of symbolic usage
every major youtube philosophy channel (Metamorphosis 77, Weltgeist and Seekers of Unity) is now making videos on Hegel. very interesting...
Julian de Medeiros always did
But CCK and Epoch dont atm, do they?
Because James Lindsay is popularizing this from the critical standpoint
Critical of Hegel that is
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it was helpfull , thanks!
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It seems fittingly ironic that the quote at 44:22 hit me so hard I actually said out loud, "Goddamn!"
You should do a talk with Antonio Wolf on Hegel and God.
I’m not a philosophy major by any means, but basically the modern consensus of Hegel’s dialectic is that it’s a framework of how reality is expressed rather than it being a method of rational application like most claim it is?
I've been on such an ongoing deep dive into philosophy and mysticism lately that seeing a video titled "Was Hegel a Mystic" kind of made me snap a little.
I hope it did you good.
I got a book to read on Hegel. Like no other book I’ve ever read (excepting those in other languages ) have I had trouble reading and understanding and using this book. Suggestions?
Great info!!
Glad it was helpful :)
@@SeekersofUnity I think can understand Hegel now. When I first read of Phenomenology of Spirt I struggled. Thanks again!
Very engaging!
You're most welcome. Thank you for joining us Travis.
Well done.
Thank you friend 🙏🏼
Excellent!
Thank you Frank.
Great stuff. Anyone interested in this should check out The Heterodox Hegel by Cyril O’Regan, as well as his more recent Anatomy of Misremembering volumes
Thanks Sammy.