If the fountain starts working before it is complete, it means it's essentially built instantly, and the worker just stashes the rest of the money (and maybe doing something even more illicit over there)
I feel like it was playing as the Blood Elves when they were fleeing Silvermoon. You could make spell breakers and such. It was pretty much reskinned Alliance at the time, but I think rethinking the High Elves as their own race could be a pretty cool idea for WC4 with Jaina and others. I saw a SC2 map where you played as high elves and for your towers you could choose between an arcane, frost, or fire tower. I thought it was a pretty cool concept. I could also see them having some kind of magic shield from a Suramar research building (not to plagiarize but kinda like the protoss).
I kind of suspect that this might be OP, but only because of the wizard's permanent summons - just turtle with mass wizards and overwhelm the opponent with free summons. The healing on the town hall building makes it kind of hard to attack into them and they should always win a battle of attrition since they can summon infinite amounts of free summons.
@@Vesdus Eh, the sapper hero is a funny gimmick but I think it only works because people don't know how to play against it- I mean, in the worst case scenario you can always just make a full wall to prevent it from reaching your workers which entirely shuts it down and then they're stuck with a hero that's not really very useful in an actual fight. Even without the full wall, you just need to make sure that your units are spread out when it's low on health and then finish it off with ranged attacks. I think if you imagined people playing this mode as competitively as they do regular WC3 then I think there's enough counterplay for it that I doubt it would be a very effective strategy if this mode was really played competitively.
Wouldn't be this many races With spell and heroes It simply would be to wild to balance Possibly Make a wc4 Human(w/Dwarf units) Orc(w/tauren) Undead (Sylvannas) Night elf Legion (Lich King) Naga Blood Elf Demonic This would add 4 new races High elf and Naga already in the game Demonic and undead and legion can all be edited tastefully
Believe it or not, the closest they came to a 5th race was for demons, ie burning legion. They scrapped the idea bc resource harvesting seemed too weird
@@quinnmichaelson6793seems like a cop out answer, I mean haunting a goldmine also seems pretty weird. I don't see how it would be too weird to have broken draenei slaves as the worker units, already fits the established lore.
@@DivineBanana Well you have to also remember the legion revolves around summoning stuff from other worlds. I think there was also an element of the fact the legion were supposed to be the primary villains, and thus had to be OP in the lore, while having them in the game would either result in an OP faction, or a pathetic faction that undermined lore.
@@quinnmichaelson6793 I think they could have balanced it and kept it lore accurate by making the units very strong, even op individually.... But they require a great resource cost and population cost to sustain. There have been mods that do it justice.... At the very least we should have had playable naga.
Definitely looks cool, but they seem to be lacking good frontliners. Some beefy magitek golems seem sorely needed - maybe with significant weaknesses like having negative mana regeneration and needing it to function, along with one of the mage classes having some kind of mana transfer ability or brilliance aura.
I think your supposed to mana regen the farms for ice shield. Also Brillance aura the town for free heals. And the wizzards can spam summons with it aswell. I just dont see how those heroes are good as starter hero though.
So, some feedback: I don't think heroes abilities should go past 3 for basic, and 1 level for an ultimate. WC3 was balanced around level 10 max heroes. Making the ceiling even higher will cause imbalance in the late game and make units less and less valuable as time goes on. Aside from that, I'm really intrigued by this mod~.
The black dragon was good, all it needed was: Faster flying, faster projectiles, faster reloading, more damage, more splash damage, more defense, less resource intensive and gives enemy less experience.
The frost passive attack is actually phoenix fire, reskinned. Ive made a bunch of custom races myself, (probably better choices than this mod, but worse tooltip effort lol)
i wonder, did grubby just find this map and decide to try out these races? or did the maker like... i dunno, donate and ask him to play it? cuz i think a lot of people have tried making funny twists to melee maps, would be cool to see a pro play them and test out the mechanics
I feel that sun well should be build close to the town hall so it also gets the brilliance aura. and always remember to turn on auto heal for town hall. and seems that the lightning revenant can do chain lightning, that is OP.
This or something like it could be worth putting sone real effort into as a community. I'd love to hear how Grubby would approach these and other races. Call it WC3.5. If we do well enough Bluizz will just steal it and release it with aome outsourced campaigns and maybe the old never released Dragon campaign, and call it WC4.
i think if the creator wanted to fit the theme of mages being squishy but extremely powerful he needed to up the damage on the mages to compensate for their useless hp and armor, the sunwell should be able to refuel buildings mana aswell so it isn't a useless building as this change would allow your buildings to retain alot more mana and continue to heal and protect themselves. the arcane vaults should not only have the mana shield but also allow ground units to teleport between one another, hear me out about this, orcs have the fortified upgrade for their buildings plus spikes so mana shield would act like the fortification upgrade and the teleportation woulda really be broken if it costs a certain amount of mana to teleport each GROUND unit. towers i think should be more like cannon towers, having splash damage and mana drain per hit, sounds OP but honestly we are talking about mages they should be heavily resistant to enemy spells but be weak against a more brute force approach this whole race should be heavily invested in spells and mana, so enemies could counter you with mana burns, silences and dispells as to force the mage player to play more of a hit and run tactic due to the squishy but deadly units. another thing i'd wanna add/change is the dragons... they... don't really work that well with this theme i really do they need to be replaced with something else or at least have azure dragons and have them be mostly resistance to spells but lower HP and higher damage or a suggestion would be instead of a magic resistance as i can assume that'd be really annoying to deal with.... give them a mana burn effect on their attack but have it function as a devour magic, like... for each x mana burned from the attack they are healed a fraction of the amount. very fun ideas i also thought about maybe giving the mage the first aerial hero unit that can switch between ground and air like the destroyers do basically a azure dragon hero, have the dragon form drain mana as you remain in it or attack with it, make only say one ability work in dragon form, once out of mana can remain in dragon form but would be infinitely more useless without any mana as to counter major base harassment early game. this map has alot of potential and i believe with the right ppl working one this you could legit bring more races to wc3. is something i'd love to be apart of... but i am definitely more of a character artist than a programmer, i can make the models but i have limited knowledge when it comes to coding.
Phoenixes to me sound like a neat replacement for the dragons Just your average heavy air unit with a reviving mechanic seems to fit the theme of magic more
I agree with most except for the comment about mages being weak against brute force. In general the concept of mages being squishy is because they buff the heck out of themselves so they don't need strength. They cast spells of ogre strength, magic armor, invisibility, agility, everything. They're weak at low low levels but there's a point when brute units can't lift a finger against overbuffed mages. This is why you bring a mage to kill a mage, because they can dispell and pierce magic so they BECOME weak to physical attacks.
Sup bro! Maybe you can help me out with a map I'm trying to find! I remember that you start the game as a wisp and need to choose a hero by stepping in the TP in front of the one you want. When you step into it, you are teletransported for a map full of creatures and start to farm. I remember that at the very north there was a Tidehunter Ivl 30. The Medusa was very hard to kill too. When you die you go to a safe place, that you can but itens. I remember that the crystal Maiden have a spell that 6 waves of ice drops from the sky. And i remember too that Furion was a druid and his normal attack was big energy balls veeeeery slow! That is it. Do you remember play any map like this?
Looking of everything this mage race has, I think they are ment to hard turtle, mana regen everywhere lots of shenanigans to keep your units alive in home
Anyone know the author name of this map? i downloaded Twisted Meadows (8 races) v1.5 by "scel" to play on WC3 1.31.1 and it crashed my game. As expected, because the map was so old.
This race needs t1 summoners with temporary summons. Permanently summoning random creatures on t3 is bad design that's out of line with wc3 paradigm Alternative idea would be some building that allows to recruit temporary summoned creatures
How sad is it, you see these game studios like FacePunch, Valve and others giving their games the love and attention they deserve while Blizzard sitting on literally gems and doing nothing about it. Don't say they are making "patches" lol, since when adjusting stats is considered an update. Enough with the bullshit patches, work on the god damn game
Tactical mishaps: the frost maiden hero hits friendly targets with aoe frost ability, build food buildings up front so they absorb damage with their mana shield, place the fountain that regenerates mana in middle of base so it hits buildings.
i feel like the creator of this map is creative but lacks the knowledge of triggering - some of the spells feel like a good idea but limited by the way base abilities in wc work - with a little triggering that could have been improved by a lot. about the actual melee balancing idk never play melee but mage feels underpowered to me
The only good unit is the ice reverant then again too expansive so are dragons plus wizards are so expansive , not worthy paying for them rather have Lord Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra which can do far more damage than dragons, wizards and reverants combined.
😂😂 2 new races are already in the game High elf and naga Would be easy to make 4 new races Release a wc4 In high def Continue the story from the frozen throne and negate the wow weak storyline 😂😂 GG
I just want to see a flock of black dragon swoop down on a main base and devour the workers and fly away. Sounds like such a dragon thing to do.
If the fountain starts working before it is complete, it means it's essentially built instantly, and the worker just stashes the rest of the money (and maybe doing something even more illicit over there)
Friggin elves…
I feel like every unit is "this is trash" or "this is so expensive"
i dont think the summons on the wizzards take ocupie food, maybe you can break the game by mass producing them and building those mana regen wells
but it still should last 60 sec, how it is written on the spell
the black dragon has devour, it's a SUPER kodo, something I don't think Grubby utilized.
I feel like it was playing as the Blood Elves when they were fleeing Silvermoon. You could make spell breakers and such. It was pretty much reskinned Alliance at the time, but I think rethinking the High Elves as their own race could be a pretty cool idea for WC4 with Jaina and others.
I saw a SC2 map where you played as high elves and for your towers you could choose between an arcane, frost, or fire tower. I thought it was a pretty cool concept.
I could also see them having some kind of magic shield from a Suramar research building (not to plagiarize but kinda like the protoss).
You just casually lost 500+ gold to power building the dragon nest
I kind of suspect that this might be OP, but only because of the wizard's permanent summons - just turtle with mass wizards and overwhelm the opponent with free summons. The healing on the town hall building makes it kind of hard to attack into them and they should always win a battle of attrition since they can summon infinite amounts of free summons.
Unless of course you just hit 'em with the sapper hero and explode everything over and over again.
There is a 60s duration of summon unit by the wizard but i think it didnt work or not yet implemented.
@@Vesdus Eh, the sapper hero is a funny gimmick but I think it only works because people don't know how to play against it- I mean, in the worst case scenario you can always just make a full wall to prevent it from reaching your workers which entirely shuts it down and then they're stuck with a hero that's not really very useful in an actual fight.
Even without the full wall, you just need to make sure that your units are spread out when it's low on health and then finish it off with ranged attacks. I think if you imagined people playing this mode as competitively as they do regular WC3 then I think there's enough counterplay for it that I doubt it would be a very effective strategy if this mode was really played competitively.
well Priest Dispell will give you a lot of XP that way
Got here as early as possible, I really wish they would release a WC4 with the AoE4 engine.
Wouldn't be this many races
With spell and heroes
It simply would be to wild to balance
Possibly
Make a wc4
Human(w/Dwarf units)
Orc(w/tauren)
Undead (Sylvannas)
Night elf
Legion (Lich King)
Naga
Blood Elf
Demonic
This would add 4 new races
High elf and Naga already in the game
Demonic and undead and legion can all be edited tastefully
Believe it or not, the closest they came to a 5th race was for demons, ie burning legion. They scrapped the idea bc resource harvesting seemed too weird
@@quinnmichaelson6793seems like a cop out answer, I mean haunting a goldmine also seems pretty weird. I don't see how it would be too weird to have broken draenei slaves as the worker units, already fits the established lore.
@@DivineBanana Well you have to also remember the legion revolves around summoning stuff from other worlds. I think there was also an element of the fact the legion were supposed to be the primary villains, and thus had to be OP in the lore, while having them in the game would either result in an OP faction, or a pathetic faction that undermined lore.
@@quinnmichaelson6793 I think they could have balanced it and kept it lore accurate by making the units very strong, even op individually.... But they require a great resource cost and population cost to sustain. There have been mods that do it justice.... At the very least we should have had playable naga.
Please more of that map!
honestly love the magi race -- looks so cool. everything has abilities and your main thing being able to heal is awesome
Definitely looks cool, but they seem to be lacking good frontliners.
Some beefy magitek golems seem sorely needed - maybe with significant weaknesses like having negative mana regeneration and needing it to function, along with one of the mage classes having some kind of mana transfer ability or brilliance aura.
I think your supposed to mana regen the farms for ice shield. Also Brillance aura the town for free heals. And the wizzards can spam summons with it aswell. I just dont see how those heroes are good as starter hero though.
So, some feedback: I don't think heroes abilities should go past 3 for basic, and 1 level for an ultimate.
WC3 was balanced around level 10 max heroes. Making the ceiling even higher will cause imbalance in the late game and make units less and less valuable as time goes on.
Aside from that, I'm really intrigued by this mod~.
Lol, 20 years ago I had a concept for mage faction in RTS. Cool to finally see it in practice :D
40 bonus damage windwalk on regular units... that's... so strong...
The black dragon was good, all it needed was: Faster flying, faster projectiles, faster reloading, more damage, more splash damage, more defense, less resource intensive and gives enemy less experience.
The frost passive attack is actually phoenix fire, reskinned. Ive made a bunch of custom races myself, (probably better choices than this mod, but worse tooltip effort lol)
i wonder, did grubby just find this map and decide to try out these races? or did the maker like... i dunno, donate and ask him to play it? cuz i think a lot of people have tried making funny twists to melee maps, would be cool to see a pro play them and test out the mechanics
Are they called the high elves because their buildings are very tall?
There is another mode that has way more races that are also lore friendly
What is it called?
@@BionicmanJCD custom races/faction on hive
I feel that sun well should be build close to the town hall so it also gets the brilliance aura. and always remember to turn on auto heal for town hall. and seems that the lightning revenant can do chain lightning, that is OP.
Okay, brilliance aura doesnt affect building, tried just now. haha, but Fire revenant with chaos damage!!!! dang can wreak building easily.
Good thing it didn't crash this time, but man mages so hard early game.
So you build the fountain a bunch of wizards and summon units on CD.
Grubby you kinda missed that the basic mage gets AOE on their attack thou that faction is made of tissue paper defense and health wise.
The magi seem the most interesting.. would love to play it
You would think they would use blue dragons not black dragons, but then again I don't suppose this is supposed to be super lore friendly
Where can you download this map?
This or something like it could be worth putting sone real effort into as a community. I'd love to hear how Grubby would approach these and other races.
Call it WC3.5. If we do well enough Bluizz will just steal it and release it with aome outsourced campaigns and maybe the old never released Dragon campaign, and call it WC4.
Something like 5 or 7 levels of armor and attack upgrades and maybe an hp upgrade to keep units useful into high hero levels might be neat.
i think if the creator wanted to fit the theme of mages being squishy but extremely powerful he needed to up the damage on the mages to compensate for their useless hp and armor, the sunwell should be able to refuel buildings mana aswell so it isn't a useless building as this change would allow your buildings to retain alot more mana and continue to heal and protect themselves.
the arcane vaults should not only have the mana shield but also allow ground units to teleport between one another, hear me out about this, orcs have the fortified upgrade for their buildings plus spikes so mana shield would act like the fortification upgrade and the teleportation woulda really be broken if it costs a certain amount of mana to teleport each GROUND unit.
towers i think should be more like cannon towers, having splash damage and mana drain per hit, sounds OP but honestly we are talking about mages they should be heavily resistant to enemy spells but be weak against a more brute force approach this whole race should be heavily invested in spells and mana, so enemies could counter you with mana burns, silences and dispells as to force the mage player to play more of a hit and run tactic due to the squishy but deadly units.
another thing i'd wanna add/change is the dragons... they... don't really work that well with this theme i really do they need to be replaced with something else or at least have azure dragons and have them be mostly resistance to spells but lower HP and higher damage or a suggestion would be instead of a magic resistance as i can assume that'd be really annoying to deal with.... give them a mana burn effect on their attack but have it function as a devour magic, like... for each x mana burned from the attack they are healed a fraction of the amount.
very fun ideas i also thought about maybe giving the mage the first aerial hero unit that can switch between ground and air like the destroyers do basically a azure dragon hero, have the dragon form drain mana as you remain in it or attack with it, make only say one ability work in dragon form, once out of mana can remain in dragon form but would be infinitely more useless without any mana as to counter major base harassment early game.
this map has alot of potential and i believe with the right ppl working one this you could legit bring more races to wc3. is something i'd love to be apart of... but i am definitely more of a character artist than a programmer, i can make the models but i have limited knowledge when it comes to coding.
Phoenixes to me sound like a neat replacement for the dragons
Just your average heavy air unit with a reviving mechanic seems to fit the theme of magic more
I agree with most except for the comment about mages being weak against brute force. In general the concept of mages being squishy is because they buff the heck out of themselves so they don't need strength. They cast spells of ogre strength, magic armor, invisibility, agility, everything. They're weak at low low levels but there's a point when brute units can't lift a finger against overbuffed mages. This is why you bring a mage to kill a mage, because they can dispell and pierce magic so they BECOME weak to physical attacks.
Sup bro! Maybe you can help me out with a map I'm trying to find!
I remember that you start the game as a wisp and need to choose a hero by stepping in the TP in front of the one you want. When you step into it, you are teletransported for a map full of creatures and start to farm. I remember that at the very north there was a Tidehunter Ivl 30. The Medusa was very hard to kill too.
When you die you go to a safe place, that you can but itens. I remember that the crystal Maiden have a spell that 6 waves of ice drops from the sky. And i remember too that Furion was a druid and his normal attack was big energy balls veeeeery slow! That is it. Do you remember play any map like this?
why do the farms have mana ???? can they be used like moonwells ?
I still had this map on the old Warcraft 3
Wow his completely new WC3 holy
Looking of everything this mage race has, I think they are ment to hard turtle, mana regen everywhere lots of shenanigans to keep your units alive in home
How do you play with the other races?
OH I know this race~ it's hogwats
Holy crap 37 minutes this is going to be insane.
Sun well should give health, it’s literally their source of life
can i get a link to the hive site?
How can i play the new races?
yay keep em coming!
you should have went devour magic on the start of spell ripper.. imagine that ability against the initial skellies..
Those Sun Wells should have been like moon wells but recharge during the day at 1.25 rate and give only mana but twice as much when used
link to the map?
No black dragon devour?
Rash Battlemages. Mass windwalk into their base.
30 minute game this must be good :D
What does ugc stand for?
What is the map called?
Just build another Sunwell lmao
Why didn't blood elves do that?
Grubby playing Ottomans in WarCraft 3.
31:45 🤣🤣
Why no download link?...
GRUBBY PIRIVET ;) YO very good game bro
Heros look really squishy but really cool bet the race is op with certain units
My brain just broke thinking about high elves vs blood elves killing trees vs night elves who are related with wisps not hurting the trees ? 😮
Map name pls!
Hello bro I watch your videos since 2021 and now I'm going to play wc3 , How do you play it I mean what is your client that you play in it?
lets go mass wizards
build everything!
I didnt get if this Is a mod or what
Well... considering the story of W3. It figures that the Elf mages suck against the Undead.
Anyone pls share the link for map
Anyone know the author name of this map? i downloaded Twisted Meadows (8 races) v1.5 by "scel" to play on WC3 1.31.1 and it crashed my game. As expected, because the map was so old.
nvm its exactly that map, its reforge compatible only i guess
use t1 slow and consume it to farm/heal
am sad you dint pick the mentalist hero, since it had the most jank ability ever
This race needs t1 summoners with temporary summons.
Permanently summoning random creatures on t3 is bad design that's out of line with wc3 paradigm
Alternative idea would be some building that allows to recruit temporary summoned creatures
Micro hell for true pro.
Usually this game is super boring to play...same play all the time but Grub is a good You tuber :)
after 30 minutes your entire army attacks a fiend and cant kill it, what a sad race^^
average ogre magi reviver in chat
19-25 strength hero damage at lvl 1 with 26 int and no str / agi
Tough times
Heal at the base
Blood Elves
How sad is it, you see these game studios like FacePunch, Valve and others giving their games the love and attention they deserve while Blizzard sitting on literally gems and doing nothing about it. Don't say they are making "patches" lol, since when adjusting stats is considered an update. Enough with the bullshit patches, work on the god damn game
how to download this version of warcraft? its the interface looks so new to me
Tactical mishaps: the frost maiden hero hits friendly targets with aoe frost ability, build food buildings up front so they absorb damage with their mana shield, place the fountain that regenerates mana in middle of base so it hits buildings.
The map has a lot of nice ideas but it's pretty jank lol
Ahhh reforged could of brought us so much :/
It's Dalaran, not blood elves or whatever... Dalaran is the city of mages.
their heroes are quite underwhelming
i feel like the creator of this map is creative but lacks the knowledge of triggering - some of the spells feel like a good idea but limited by the way base abilities in wc work - with a little triggering that could have been improved by a lot.
about the actual melee balancing idk never play melee but mage feels underpowered to me
These heroes have little / no health....
please more
These are my fave videos now, I'm so tired of the classic wc3 races by now lol
the magi heroes kinda suck lmao.
so cool to have different races but the two heroes you tried as Magi sucked big time
If wc4 does not happen ww3 will happen!!!
The only good unit is the ice reverant then again too expansive so are dragons plus wizards are so expansive , not worthy paying for them rather have Lord Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra which can do far more damage than dragons, wizards and reverants combined.
Honestly the Magi kinda suck
dude u nice guy real grubb etc np
Why did your opponent pick undead? What a lame.
😂😂 2 new races are already in the game
High elf and naga
Would be easy to make 4 new races
Release a wc4
In high def
Continue the story from the frozen throne and negate the wow weak storyline
😂😂 GG
Ultra tryhard undead player with fiends in a custom races map, christ 😂
Worst race ever lol. Black Dragon is so wrong and it should be a Blue Dragon, the person didn't know Warcraft Lore.
hi
Hello!
This race is so badly designed lmao
It's so terrible how less u know about this game ... Yeah, those "races" are new.
But they got just normal spells from WC3 and nothing really new.
is this a new game mode or a feature? this would be good if this applies to all game modes.
It’s user generated content (custom map)