Rach 3’s finale octaves: ''Who’s the best?''
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- Pianists:
0:01 Vladimir Horowitz
0:24 Nikolaj Lugansky
0:52 Martha Argerich
1:16 Daniil Trifonov
1:43 Aleksandr Malofeev
2:07 Yunchan Lim
2:43 Anna Federova
3:07 Lang Lang
3:35 Van Cliburn
4:02 Alexander Gavrylyuk
4:41 Yuja Wang
5:07 Denis Matsuev - เพลง
Who’s the best?
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Horowitz
@@lorenzomandis7791 Io direi tu😂
Ahahahahahahahahah magari
@@lorenzomandis7791 mamma, che miseria artistica e di pensiero musicale in Wang, Lim, Federova, Lang Lang, e in gran parte di questi pianisti. macchine ossessionate dalla ginnastica, inchiodati a testa bassa alla tastiera 14 ore al giorno. c'è più arte in qualsiasi sporcatura di Horowitz o nella irresistibile impazienza di Argerich che in tutta la loro carriera. quanto tempo perso in cerca di una perfezione senza sostanza e senza cultura. che peccato.
@@sebastianolombardi136 perfettamente d'accordo
Of all these, Horowitz’s performance etches out the octaves very clearly. He never obscures them with the pedal, nor does he slow the tempo very much - all of which makes his presentation astonishing here.
He plays out of time though
But he’s a full beat late tho.
You conveniently neglected to mention his erratic timing and clanging tempo. Astonishingly awful is what it is.
Astonishingly out of time...
The timing tho
And the winner is ... Sergueï Rachmaninov for composing such powerful piece of music. I always get very emotional when I listen to this concerto and reach the finale. Thank you for this brilliant video. The idea is brilliant. 🙏👏👍
Exactly! A great gift to the world!!
They're all marvelous of course, but I was surprised how taken I taken with Cliburn: Magesterial cadence. Very elegant and he even got all the notes.
Alexander Malofeev.! He's only 17 here.
His best was last year at the Musikverein. It was hailed as a:" piano world revolution". Heart stopping! ..
I love the slow reveal in the clip, when you see how young the pianist is!
Malofeev, Horowitz reincarnated
@@ronromano4796 That's insulting to Malofeev.
@@alanpotter8680 i agree with this. although i don't believe malofeev is better than horowitz i think it's degrading to compare such an amazing young pianist against somebody else. he should be his own thing.
So many espectacular performances, but yunchan and Horowitz for me. Also gavrylyuk is so underrated.
As I mentioned above, the Gavrylyuk Proms performance...the unity with conductor and orchestra is spine tingling.
The Gavrylyuk Proms performance is terrific...performance, audio and video all just wonderful.
Loved these comparative performances - can't wait to hear Yunchan Lim live on July 26 at Bravo!Vail.
Lim, Argerich, Bronfman. Fast but also dynamic and expressive.... not attacking the instrument but being part of it.
Horowitz y Yunchan Lim. Me ha sorprendido Van Cliburn.
Can not be Yunchan Lim colorless cold piano sound!
@@RaineriHakkarainenwrong. Yunchan Lim is the best
@@RaineriHakkarainen jealous much
@@RaineriHakkarainen Disagree
After Horowitz and Argerich comes a new generation of young pianists...for me the one and only exiting young pianist is ALEXANDER MALOFEEV !!! Heared him live a few days ago, still speechless !!!!!
Sasha rules
Watch yunchan Lim’s full performance. Honestly the best recording of this concerto Ive ever heard and he’s only age 18.
Yes, better than Malofeev ! More nuances and clarity !! A genius !
I am with you on Alexander Malofeev.. he is a truly inspirational pianist with what appears to be an uneverending array of talent. He is perfection personified..my only concern is how much of his life he has had to devote to achieving his greatness at such a young age
@@conorsheehan1935 I prefer Yunchan Lim, by far!!! More musicality, nuances, an extraordinary touch !
It’s so hard to decide!!! They’re all so good!!! I might have to say yunchan, but seriously, everyone is so amazing!!!
All marvelous performances of a very difficult finale. I'm partial to Horowitz and Argerich, but Yunchan Lim got my attention. There was a release of tension that doesn't always come through in this piece. He nailed it. Thanks, RachmaninoffFanatic!
I just watched Yunchan Lim's complete performance of the Rach 3... that young man is phenomenal. Would love to have a CD of that performance. Maybe he will record it? Soon?
Scott: I totally agree! Horowitz and Argerich are way up there with their consistentcy in their octave playing. But Horowitz with his flat-finger octaves is amazing. If you notice, the other pianists keep their curved finger position hovering somewhat high above the keys. Conversely, Horowitz places his flat-fingers relatively close, creating an almost sliding effect, allowing gravity to assist in achieving a remarkable and consistent tone. Yes, Yunchan Lin has a somewhat lighter, brighter approach with the descending octaves. All the artitsts heard on this video would make Rachmaninoff stand proud.
@@pianoman551000 Exactly, there isn't a bad performance in the bunch. I like your comment on Horowitz!
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This performance is from a month or so before the Cliburn and it’s much better quality. Best I can do to help.
@@masantonio8790 You are correct. He doesn't make it look easy - nobody could - but it's almost as if it were written for him. And this young man isn't even twenty yet. Thank you for sharing this.
You can’t help ending this concerto without a huge smile
Argerich, Horowitz,,Yuja, Matsuev! ….as far as the question goes (final octaves) These 4 for me relish it! Argerich stands out with her precision, power and pulse of attack, like she was totally fresh and like a spectacular firework finale! Just look at how relaxed her arms, wrist etc are! All the firepower coming from within, no need to lift the hands in personal “triumph”, just serve the music with perfect technique! I do love Yunchan’s reading and delivery of the concerto as a whole and would definitely rate it amongst my top 3
Very hard comparison, for me it's either Yuja Wang or Yunchan Lim
There is no “best” interpretation. They’re all great!!!
No they’re all gay.
@@beavermcdoogles this isn’t Tchaikovskys piano concerto
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@@robloxianeoner Ukraine is also gay
How wonderful all of them. Yunchan is for sure very classic itself and storm in the calmness. :)
the question should be - who do you like the best-art is subjective. And I prefer Lim's interpretation of the whole work, you cannot judge just by one final fragment.
Thank you! I totally agree. Why does there even need to be a best? Besides, every performer has their good days and bad days.
Lugansky! Saw him live few days! Amazing! probably best Rachmaninov interpreter today
I don’t agree ! Yunchan Lim is better, more nuances and musicality !! By far !!
All of them are fabulous..each giving their own unique signature to this marvelous music.
Yun-Chan Lim! Thank ❤❤😂😂
Horowitz and Argerich, but honestly, Yunchan Lim has some of the best listening and phrasing.
I always like what Van Cliburn does too, as he really tries to bring out the heart of a piece.
Cliburn is an emotional favorite, but he never played this concerto as well as the Tchaikovsky.
@@Sutherland2 What do you mean "the Tchaikovsky"? Tchaikovsky died before this piece was even composed...
@@evifnoskcaj The Tchaikovsky concerto, dummy. Not Tchaikovsky himself. You need better English lessons.
No, Argerich should be a drummer, all she does is to pound
@@evifnoskcaj Van Cliburn chose to perform a very obscure piece called Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto when competing in a small local competition in Moscow which is named after a humble local Russian composer.
2:39 - I don't know if he got lucky with the orchestra... but his part was basically perfectly/ awesomely in sync with the orchestra. That was amazing and beautiful to listen to!!
Malofeev, amazing talent and precision
Yunchan Lim. No question. All you have to do is watch the entire performance. His skill is otherworldly.
But...we are Not taking into account the entire performance ONLY the final octaves are being compared and Horowitz easily surpasses Lim in Speed, Clarity, Brilliance and Electricity!!!!
The Stretta bei Horowitz is uncomparable.. No one else dared that
Keep in mind this is horowitz later in life, his early recordings are absolutely insane, just listen to the final octaves of his 1930 coates recording, nobody can match the speed he played it at
There is definitely question. That is why there is at least one other interpretation in this video. Welcome to the world of art!
My heart goes to Yunchan, since he is just 18 and is on the way to be a virtuoso. He is a poet!
Playing that!?!?!?
He's already a virtuoso....
And Malofeev is, what(?) at the time? 50? Enough of the favoritism.
they are both amazing. i take a liking to yunchan because if you listen to his story he was at one point discouraged from continuing his piano studies because he was behind most other students, but had some sort of a transformation and became a sensation. but i also very much respect malofeev because he specifically pointed out that he is not a prodigy but instead devoted a large chunk of his life to practicing daily.@@alanpotter8680
Another vote for Yunchan Lim!!
I enjoyed that! Thank you! Actually I had a good laugh, and I needed it.
Van Cliburn to me has a such a Russian feel in his playing. Nice and clear, and slower. I don't like speed demons. He was beloved in Russia, and his victory in the big piano competition where they had to ask Nikita Khrushchev if it was okay to give the prize to an American is an amazing moment in music & politics.
I agree completely!!!!
Van Cliburn had a great sense of humanity and was indeed immersed in the Russian soul, and as a student of Rosina Lhevine, he was immersed in the Russian piano technique.
@@axelsohn1454 Ms. Lhevine had some other notable students like John Williams, James Levine. No wonder the Russians liked Cliburn so much; he was trained in the Russian style.
Exactly
Van Cliburn best , i was there beautiful and now show
Yunchan Lim. Argerich. Yuja Wang, Daniil Trifonov my favourites...absolutely.
At this level of skill there is no greater or lesser performance. These are all simply unique signatures of perfection.
I am won over by the excitement in Denis Matsuev's performance. However, the rhythmic vitality of Van Cliburn and his great balance with the orchestra places him at top tier. I also loved the energy and balance in Aleksandr Malofeev's performance.
Малофеев классный, но Горовиц...)
For me Alexander Malofeev is the exiting pianist of a new generation of young pianists !!!!!
Less than Yunchan Lim !
wow. Yunchan really is that dude
Yun - Chan Lim but also Horowitz...
Yunchan Lim ❤❤❤❤
The "Winner " is the wonderful Person who took the time to put this All-Star Dream Team of Brilliant Pianist Together For the Millions of Utube Enthusiasts to choose From 😀 !!!..Thanks A Million !!!!!!!...
I am in my mid 80's, having listened to this work for 60+ years, many 100's of times, including all those here - all wonderful, some superb. However, missing from this list is the one, which, for me, tops them all - Paremski (with Litton here on TH-cam). The entire performance is beyond perfection. The finale and those octaves.. breathtaking!!
Yunchan is the best, followed by Horowitz/Argerich, but Bronfman should be on the list too. Glad Lugansky was on the list, he is a monster.
Horwitz comes first for this piece.
There is no one like Argerich. Simply incredible.
My goodness, what a fabulous treat compilation! Thank you so much. I'd have to go with Van Cliburn.
Todos son los mejores, todos son perfectos, un gusto poder escuchar a todos y no tener que elegir...
Lo escuché dos veces y definitivamente, para mi, el tempo y la sincronización Mehta-Horowitz es impecable. Después me gustó Yuja Wang. Debo reconocer que esperé ver en acción a Kissin y a Volodos. Gracias por subir la selección.
Bronfman también
I have to go with Yunchan Lin also...the clarity is sublime.
Yunchan Lim- without question.
The kid is only 18. Give me a break. Let's see if and how he grows as an artist. This is not running the mile where the "best" is objectively known to all observers.
It’s not a matter of age! He is already very mature and his interpretation of this concerto exceeds that many of his olders
@@davidcotuit there are many legendary classical music pieces composed when the composers were in their teens. Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt... for example. Liszt composed some of the Etudes of TE when he was in his teen. In fact, he started to compose the TE when he was 15. Don't estimate the age, just because someone is a young teenager does not mean they can't deliver quality.
@@dionysus4778 And Mendelssohn was the greatest of all the young prodigies. But I take exceptions that "many" legendary compositions were composed by teenagers. In fact number is quite small. Legendary for this purpose means fully realized and accomplished music. Certainly Mendelssohn, Mozart and Schubert but very few. The same applies to performers. There are virtually no truly mature and great instrumentalists in their teens. Within 4 or 5 years, Yunchan will truly come into his own.
Argerich! That rhythm! That bounce!
Among these, I'd say Horowitz and Argerich. But my best choice would be Emil Gilels, especially in his live recording with Ormandy and the PO.
I love how Argerich and orchestra time it perfectly when she starts the descending octaves.
Lugansky plays the passage more accurate and clear than the rest. It seems like he's in total control of the piece
I'm partial to Yunchan Lim,
But this is not a fair comparison at all, when some are recorded with quality audios, while others are old or recorded in inferior quality audios.
And Yunchan Lim is one of those with inferior audio as we know the Cliburn Competition did not have the best audio.
While Horowitz can crank out the best Rach 3, that particular concert was not his best. His performance in his heyday younger version should have been posted.
Yunchan Lim was amazing on that Rach 3, but he was just out of this world at the Lincoln Center in NYC when he played with the NYPhil last May. It was so fresh, and I heard some of the things I haven't heard with the conventional Rach 3. I can't exactly pinpoint, but he was improvising the Ossia, which was incredible, that it literally gave me goosebumps.
You listen to Rach 3. And you listen to Yunchan Lim's Rach 3.
It was one of those incredible moments in my life.
adoro questo concerto e subisco il fascino di coloro che riescono a eseguirlo impeccabilmente al di là delle diverse interpretazioni e stabilire chi può essere il migliore ascoltando solamente una manciata di battute mi riesce impossibile. Proporre graduatorie in un contesto di così alto per non dire irraggiungibile profilo mi sembra aria fritta.
No one has approached Horowitz for the electrifying legato of his precise, booming octives. Argarich and Yunchan distant seconds. Horowitz still the champ.
Ok boomer.
Horowitz was many things, precise was not among them.
@@michaelcooper3633 On this occasion he WAS. The wartime performance was even more dynamic. The phrase "Horowitz octaves" is familiar to all serious pianists.
@@michaelcooper3633 A true musician would not call others boomer.
I would put Wang as 2nd, then Argerich
@@michaelcooper3633 His wrong notes wsre sublime. We used to ooh and ahh at them they were like magic sparks of lighting exploding from the Steinway. We used to say ' Ah but what wonderful wrong notes'.
All are superb and they look and sound as if they are doing their utmost to make it all work. Except Yunchan Lim. He seems to just toss it off as if it were as easy as a Clementi sonatina. His playing of Liszt's Feux Follets is equally astonishing.
Personally Yunchan, but wow everyone is so amazing. Great respect for all musicians!
¡Todos magníficos!
In my humble opinion,you should've included Grigory Sokolov..
Not only that he plays all alternative passages indicated as "ossia" ,
but he is also the only musician I've heard playing the quadruplets instead of triplets in the finale,
and he absolutely nails it, although, it's objectively harder since it has to be faster and more synchronized with an orchestra.
Thanks for the comment, in the next videos I will try to integrate Sokolov too. If you have any other suggestions for the next videos I will be happy.
I think Andre Watts used to play the ossia octaves too.
@@accs4 Interesting
@@accs4 He sure did: th-cam.com/video/EYs-ii50zBs/w-d-xo.html
@@j.d.miller4203 Amazing
I applaud all souls who are brave enough to tackle this ultra demanding concerto.
A ese nivel la ejecución es técnicamente casi perfecta, quisiera ver a alguien oír solo el video sin ver quien toca y decir quien está tocando. Aún así influye mucho la calidad del video, del sonido, etc...Todos son grandísimos músicos talentosos que tenemos el gusto de ver gracias a la magia de TH-cam... lo demás es cuestión de gustos, de presencia, etc. Esa costumbre del orgullo y del egoísmo humano de siempre tratar de tomar partido por alguien como "el mejor". Todas y todos son geniales.
all are very good!
Horowitz will always hold a special place in my heart with this concerto, but for me Yuncham Lin has the edge here, and the Van Cliburn interpretation has a poise to it at the beginning of the passage which makes the accelerando run for the line all the more exhilarating. Oh what I wouldn't give to hear a Hamelin Interpretation of this concerto.....
Horowitz was in his 70s when that was recorded. I think the original one was awesome. That being said Mr. Lin is a fantastic pianist as Argerich and the fine musicians shown. Be Well, T
Все -- лучшие и разные !!!Это -- искусство , которое не должно быть одинаковым , штампованным !!!Поэтому пора отменить конкурсы и психологически терроризировать исполнителей, а устраивать Музыкальные Фестивали , где все участники раскроятся творчески полнее , а продюсеры будут их популизировать !!!
Hamelin has recorded it btw
The Van Cliburn interpretation combines power and sensibility without the slightest trace of romantic sensationalism, a rare achievement!
There is no "BEST" . . . truly great musicians never compare themselves.
Spot on! Music is not like a sport ! Nobody has to reach a finish line first. Reading through all these comments and how they differ, proves my point. The listeners all have different tastes and of course different knowledge. If they have played these pieces / passages themselves with orchestras , then they might just have an advantage. But are we talking about mere technique? Surely technique is just a means to an end. And the end … what is that? A perfect interpretation . But again , even interpretations differ. They differ even whilst observing the same pianist playing the same concerto , or piece, on a different day. Musical performances are fluid and mercurial , so to try and rate what or who is best, is always merely an opinion. Personally I like to get beyond the technique. Speed and precision are mere tools to achieve a hopefully beautiful result. A result that will move the listener to such an extent that they are completely bewitched /moved by the music.
Es tanta la belleza y la complejidad del tema que todos son maravillosos
Tutti fantastici. Difficile scegliere !
Yunchan Lim!!!
The clarity of Martha’s playing gave me chills!
Yunchan Lim. His Rach 3 was phenomenal. I saw it in person at the Van Cliburn competition finals, and I’m still mesmerized by his performance.
The Gavrylyuk Proms performance is a wonderful performance. All these are terrific. For those who marvel at sheer speed, try the Peremski-Litton performance. She also melts LITTON witH a LOOK a minute earlier.
Yuncham Lim. Definitely. His playing is just majestic and out of this world. His skill is just impressive.
Who am I to say who is the best? There is something so exquisite about Van Cliburn's playing that has always captured me so deeply. It is so exciting to hear all these performances. Love Rachmaninoff so much!
Yefim Bronfman’s octaves in this section are the best I’ve ever heard!
Agreed
I agree. Sorry he wasn't included here. Bronfman 'breaks pianos' with excepttional skill.
This is so true! Anyone know of a better video recording of Bronfman's available anywhere, even at a cost? His rendition is amazing, but the relative low quality recording doesn't do it justice.
If you put Horowitz from Coates in 1930. No one comes remotely close (Except Rachmaninoff himself). Here we have him as an old man and he is still
holding his own.
This
Exactly. Nobody was better than Horowitz but Rachmaninoff. An almost 80 year old Horowitz is still the best. I was at the 1978 NY Phil concert. It was the most incredible piano memory of my life.
He's not just holding his own, he's the best in this selection by far. The precision, the articulation, the "no drama", the sync with orchestra and all of that in the highest tempo. Now as you say, his earlier recording is even better.
That’s what I’m saying.
Horowitz recording (1941) of both the Rach 3 and Tchaikovsky 1st with Sir John Barbarolli conducting is just stunning...
I’m going to try to say this as eloquently possible because I don’t want it sound as though I’m insulting anyones work. I would never insult an artists work. I appreciate all the pianists sharing their talent with us. I listened to them several times on repeat and Horowitz always came out on top for me. He had decades of experience before this particular recording and it shows. There’s a depth to his that the others lack.
Alexander Malofeev without a doubt. This was his debut performance of Rach 3 in Moscow 31 Dec 2018 when he was 17. His ossia cadenza was spectacular . He just gets better and better.
I believe it is impossible to say who is “best” because our ability to judge the technique and musicianship of the pianist depends to a large degree upon the way the recording of the piano and orchestra has been engineered. Frankly, I think they are all awesome! I was brought up with the recordings of Rachmaninoff himself, and his approach to all four of the concertos was quite different.
Yun chan absolutely !
Alexander Malofeev in Frankfurt Sept. 2022 and Munich 2023.
Yunchan is the Horowitz of the 21st century.
Horowitz always manages to thrill with his phrasing and emotional power. Always loved Van Cliburn's beautiful and heart felt performance in Moscow for which after winning the Tchaikovsky competition when only 23 in 1958 he was given a ticker tape reception down Broadway to ecstatic NY crowds.
Are you all going to ignore that kiss?
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Undoubtedly Horowitz octaves ...powerful and speed along with hallmark clarity ❤
Van Clibern. "After all these years? - Always".
I biast as I’ve listened to Anna Fedorova’s Rach 3 almost every night for some years now.
Special credit to Yuya playing this finale in tears... she wipes them at 4:46, with full concert here, of 2019 at George Enescu festival:
th-cam.com/video/VHre-G8wlb4/w-d-xo.html
I love Yun-Chan Lim(^_^)
And I repect the late Horowitz
Yunchan Lim enters the chat ... 😃
After Horowitz… the rest didn’t measure up to my ear. I restarted… and indeed, his performance still caught me and held me. Wow!
Yuga !! She was beautiful hands. I love to see her play so effortlessly.
i love the touch of rachmaninoff playing rachmaninoff at the end. Rachmaninoff himself said that Horowitz was the best Pianist and that he could play it better then he could. all though the video would make me think otherwise, I trust the words of rachmaninoff and im sure that he knew what he was talking about.
They're all great but for me definitely the marvelous Martha ❤
Surprised Volodos and Rachmaninoff's recordings aren't here. Maybe no videos? Gavrilov & Pletnev, too. The conductor really adds to the excitement here, and to my ears, the best were playing with Horiwitz & Argerich. Looked like Mehta and Chailly.
Horowitz and Malofeev followed incredibly closely by Argerich and Wang ( for clarity of the final measures)
At 2:07 Yunchan Lim! Such control and clarity . Bucket list to watch him play!
MY BUCKET LIST
To be honest, in all such comparisons, I usually find it more difficult to differentiate between the very top pianists, than to differentiate between the elite violinists, orchestras or singers. Surprisingly, however, despite listening to this with the picture covered to allow for an unbiased decision, I found it astonishingly easy to pick out Horowitz as No. 1, Argerich as a very close No. 2, and all the others far behind. The incredible speed of their performances while preserving the beauty and distinct sound of all the notes, and the ability to hear each of their notes distinctly and clearly despite the powerful competition from an entire orchestra, does not even come close to being matched b any of the others - and all this without jumping up and down or showing the slightest effort.
As for Yunchan Lim, I must admit to being unfamiliar with his playing, but since so many commenters singled him out, I reheard his version several times. Well, perhaps he is a real poet in general, but in this short segment, I cannot say that I discovered any of the special qualities they raved about.
yunchanLim!!!👍👏🤗❤
My personal and eternal favourite best is Argerich
She is such an vibe and inspiration!❤
Love her!
Argerich played with articulation and precision.
Wang's sound was thunderous, even the orchestra could not drown it out.
My vote exactly.
I would not want to arm wrestle Wang!
Yunchan Lim
"Which genius who can do something you can't even comprehend let alone imagine ever doing do you think is 'best'?" Whichever one I happen to be listening to at that moment.
3:58 ... this kiss this kiss unstoppable...
I think the pianist comparison is drowned out in such a small snippet by the conductor (interpretive)/orchestra and even sound recording variations--what I like more vs. a little less isn't so much about the pianists, who could almost certainly do the finale how I like it. Overall (so all three elements) I liked the Lugansky bit the best.
Hands down HOROWITZ!!!! Even at this late physical age the Speed and Electricity surpasses everyone in this playing field!!!!!!! Remember this comparison is "Only" of the very end! The decay of Horowitz's technique is more apparent in other sections of the long concerto.
Gosto da emoção do Danill Trifonov, queria ser ele meu favorito
Somos dois!…kkk