Hey all! I debated long and hard about whether or not to make this a quick video or one with some close ups and more specific instruction... Let me know what y'all think! I can always release another one that's just straight up doing a tie. Be safe!👊🍻
Hey! I personally love seeing these. They remind me of when my father worked as a lineman. He sadly has lymphoma now from switching to oil field, but seeing these makes me smile. Enjoy your night!
At least you did that in your basement and not in the living room also pay attention so that the cat does not get used to climbing on the electrical cables
I absolutely love the detail. The more I can understand about what is happening out in the field, the more I can push back on the engineers telling me to draft something that isn't physically possible.
This man is so underappreciated for what he does. Keeps the lights on where he lives, brings us along for some of his trouble calls. Even building a small setup in his basement. Thanks for all your very informative videos. From the Buckeye State, Ohio. 🤝
@@Bobsdecline I have a suggestion de video on residential electrical Entry how do you connect houses to electric laundry, where is the work of an electrician stop and therefore who does what between the line fitter and the electrician with regard to installations and other work on residential electrical inputs are there signs of wear or other thing should worry about and contact our local electricity supplier(Sorry for any spelling or wording mistakes but I use a translator)
@@Bobsdecline Cool because beyond being interesting and what is installation/construction of the electrical entrance I think there is also the side Of the security that should be known whether or not we are in the field everyone who has a house has an electrical entrance so the potential dangers and also the things to pay attention to sign of wear or other anomaly that would require contacting our local electricity company
I'm not a lineman, but do enjoy your videos! For subjects/material such as this I prefer the basement... where you can take your time without distractions, control the lighting etc etc.
It's a good thing you have that man cave to do these things. That looks like it takes a bit of practice. I can only imagine doing that in the rain or snow. This is a very interesting video. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Please stay safe, and God bless.
Fascinating video, I have no relation to the trade, just electrical experience, love your videos and feel like it gives me great insight on issues when they occur
It seems like this is something that varies a little from crew to crew, everybody has their own little trick or preference and pretty much all of them work, really enjoy the video thanks bob
I remember reading an article about the beginnings of the UK national grid in a book from the 30s. They had problems with uplift on HV cables on wood poles coming down the side of hills and mountains if there was marshy land at the bottom, they used to use railway sleepers (railroad ties) to make a 'raft' to physically hold the pole down in the ground! It's a fascinating book. Newnes Electrical Encyclopaedia for anyone in the UK who's interested
I had to call in a loose conductor a few weeks ago in south texas. Someone was operating a boom and slapped his boom right into one of the 7KV lines. The tie wire held the conductor to the insulator so well that it ripped the entire cross bar off the pole. I was just a half a mile up the road so i could see it clearly. Fortunately, from the tension of the wire on the other poles, and it still being attached to the cross bar, none of the phases touched, nor did they find a path to ground. The VFD came out and secured the area, and two hours later, a couple of linemen repaired the issue
Wow those extendible clamps great idea I do HVAC and I could even use them definitely going to buy. Even could use them working on my race car as well really appreciate you showing them never seen them before
Awesome video Aaron. I always enjoy the in-depth videos. I have so much to learn and I enjoy learning from you because safety is always second to none with you.
Hi Bob! I am a 2nd year student at st.clair College in chatham Ontario. I have recently started learning "top ties," and our instructor is very strict, which is a good thing, in my opinion. He taught us how to tie roughly similar to your 3rd example. Although, when we bring our wire from back to front, we do the right wire over the left wire. Im not sure how it makes a difference. Also, before we start out top ties, we were taught to coil our wire into 2 even sides, then there are no loose ends able to touch the conductor if the wire happens to be alive! Long time watcher and love the videos! ❤ Edit: What i meant earlier about the coil, you demonstrated at the end of the video 😅.
Appreciate the comments very much! Right over left is better in the sense that is tightens the insulator as your tying it. It's a good habit to do them that way. Other than that, there's no difference.
I was driving across HWY 2 in northern Montana, the likely 7kv line was wrapped around the wire on each side.of the insulator, then a skyward pointing spike over an inch tall. It was radio quiet at 7kv. Then the line changed to 3 phase likely 34.5 kV, It AM Radio squaked at every insulator, the wire wrap at each insulator was identical to at 7KV. No FM stations, and crap AM reception, also affecting TV no doubt. Satelite digital solved.
I liked this, I probably will never need to know how to tie a primary to an insulator, but it's really cool seeing how it's done! And for infotainment, I think this being longer was better for me! You're videos have been giving me a better appreciation for electrical infrastructure! Just a thought, if the opportunity ever presents, I could see you and Grady at Practical Engineering doing a collaboration!
Cool video . This all started with the telegraph so the methods of tieing go back before the Civil War. If you like physical textbooks a classical text is "the lineman and cable man's handbook" by Kurtz shoemaker and mack. The 1st edition is from 1928. My Dads 3rd edition is from 1955 when he sold electric gear to power companies. Mine is 9th edition from 1997.
In a video a couple years ago you had commercially made pre-formed ties - these spanned outward from the insulator somewhat. No longer used? Nice details! Appreciate the difference between hot (energized) and cold work.
Going in to my third year as an overhead apprentice in the lower 48. I have work for two handfuls of journeyman in a half of handful of states. And everyone of them seem to show me a different way to tie in conductor. The last tie you did is what I would use for copper conductor. Any chance you could do a spool tie? Thanks so much for your videos. Started watching before I got in to the trade. And your channel is one of the reasons I’m in it now.
I'm not in the line trade but this was still super cool to see, thank you for showing it! I do have a random question though, for the sake of the video, did you use your actual rubber gloves and rubber cover-up or were those old/expired/out-of-use things?
Two things that totally surprised me 1. You don’t seem too concerned with handling the cut ends of the tie wire. We all know how sharp they are after being cut with Kleins. Seems like too much extra wear on your gloves. 2. Was that you could sleep at night after twisting your pigtail backward. Meaning counterclockwise 😂 👍👊‼️
No keep them like you do please 🙂 I'd really like too see a dead end instalation how does it hold all that weight i cant find that type of video anywhere thanks mike iron river m.i.
Great demo If drill four inserts into the floor. You could bolt down the timber. But after you disassembled. You put those foam ear plugs in the floor inserts, to keep the dirt out and no trip hazard. Safety is your friend.
4:28 What do you mean by "radio interference" ? I understand the term, just curious to understand what happens to what, if you leave it stickin out? Thanks for taking the time to share some aspects of your work. As an electrician, i always enjoy watching you guys at work. Most of the time, it's when you have to install a new transformer bank on the pole, so that the new service entrance i installed, gets hooked up.. 😏 Btw, i'm presently working on a new instalation of fast charging station on an existing gaz station terrain, and it requires a new padmount transformer.. It's a first for me doing this. I have all the specifications and requirements i need to know to make it " H-Q aproved " 😋 , but i thought it would be nice to see a " how to " video on padmounts explaining and showing the steps in the installation process.
I don't know the science behind it but it can cause interference to AM radio as well as radio communication with the municipality. According to our department of transportation and our standards books this can be cause by these little "high voltage antennas". From my experience it comes more from ties that are loose and have small amounts of arcing. I've gone around the whole city a few times with a guy from The dot as we searched for these interferences with his little contraption that detected the interference. The topic come up in the channel once and a viewer explained it in the comment section very well I wish I could find it.
#1. Do not install a pad on frozen backfill. Don't install conduits to/from transformer pad to building in frozen backfill. I have seen the conduits sheared and moved over 6 inches, energized wires inside, transformer pad tipped. Also water level can put water that freezes inside control or monitoring conduits, splitting conduits and shorting or breaking wires.
It's called corona. Corona discharge, not corona virus. It's a little ionization of the air near the energized conductor, and it's strongest near points that concentrate the electric field.
@@Bobsdecline I'm not an expert but I will give it a shot in layman's terms. Based on diagrams of the original Marconi wireless telegraph, part of the circuit involves drawing an arc across a gap and one side of that circuit is the telegraph key. (switch) The other side is connected to a long wire. (antenna) Pictures of planes and ships from circa 1900 usually show that long wire (the antenna) between the smoke stacks or running the length if a plane, up to the top of the tail. This takes the signal generated from that arcing gap and radiates it into the atmosphere. In Arron's example, if those tails are left long and straight, they become an antenna that will propagate any arcing signals into the atmosphere, just on a smaller scale. If you curl the ends over then you reduce the effective radiated signal. Bottom line is the ties need to be tight to reduce arcing AND tails short to reduce radiating. The technical name for this problem is RFI or Radio Frequency Interference.
When designing a line, we try and make it as straight as possible to minimize guy wires. The top tie is most commonly used and is applied when the line is passing through the structure at 0° in reference to each adjacent structure. On corner poles we use the side tie so the majority of the pressure/tension is against the insulator as opposed to the tie itself.
Arron heres a question im hopeing you can answer . the other day on youtube i saw some junior electrican from bc show something that i feel is very odd . he was showing a tree down it took out what he says is 14,400 volt primary line and it touched the triplex line and fried a house . first off i thought primary lines for res are 7,200 volts each secondly i didnt think primary lines had enough slack to drop that low and no the poles were fully intact it dosent even look like the fuse blew on the pole and the wires werent broken either . my question is it even possible for the phased lines to even reach the triplex then send 14,400 volts into a house and not even blow the main panel to bits the house didnt even catch fire . to me it dosent seem correct .
#4 Aluminum (solid). The outer body of the conductor is also aluminum and have never seen corrosion of any kind around the tie. On very old conductor we'll typically see the steel strand begin to rust, especially in coastal areas. We now use aluminum conductor without a steel core near the coast.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288from what i know, the reasons for using aluminium vs. copper wires is that they dont oxide, they are lighter and aluminium cost less than copper. Only "down side" is that it's a little less conductive than copper.
The long bits of wire does my head in a bit. We use a coil of wire opened up in the middle to minimise the risk of going phase to phase with the tie or if you drop them accidentally. Effectively your “hot line tie” for everything but neatly formed around a tube.
My brother worked for local large electric supplier for over forty years. He know every bar in our big city because that's where he drank his lunch every day.
Hey all!
I debated long and hard about whether or not to make this a quick video or one with some close ups and more specific instruction... Let me know what y'all think! I can always release another one that's just straight up doing a tie.
Be safe!👊🍻
Hey! I personally love seeing these. They remind me of when my father worked as a lineman. He sadly has lymphoma now from switching to oil field, but seeing these makes me smile. Enjoy your night!
At least you did that in your basement and not in the living room also pay attention so that the cat does not get used to climbing on the electrical cables
Wife's not gonna like me dragging cross arms and cut outs in house. Local 70 be blessed
I will never do this but I love the demestation
I absolutely love the detail. The more I can understand about what is happening out in the field, the more I can push back on the engineers telling me to draft something that isn't physically possible.
This man is so underappreciated for what he does. Keeps the lights on where he lives, brings us along for some of his trouble calls. Even building a small setup in his basement. Thanks for all your very informative videos.
From the Buckeye State, Ohio. 🤝
Thank you so much! 🤝
@@Bobsdecline I have a suggestion de video on residential electrical Entry how do you connect houses to electric laundry, where is the work of an electrician stop and therefore who does what between the line fitter and the electrician with regard to installations and other work on residential electrical inputs are there signs of wear or other thing should worry about and contact our local electricity supplier(Sorry for any spelling or wording mistakes but I use a translator)
I have and electrician friend that's going help me do a video covering exactly that! Just waiting for a good opportunity to film it
@@Bobsdecline Cool because beyond being interesting and what is installation/construction of the electrical entrance I think there is also the side
Of the security that should be known whether or not we are in the field everyone who has a house has an electrical entrance so the potential dangers and also the things to pay attention to sign of wear or other anomaly that would require contacting our local electricity company
I'll never be a lineman
BUT
I do find all this stuff extremely interesting.
Exactly! I second that.
Thank you for preventing radio interference!
Great demo on the different ways to tie the primary wire to the insulator depending on the situation.
I'm not a lineman, but do enjoy your videos!
For subjects/material such as this I prefer the basement... where you can take your time without distractions, control the lighting etc etc.
Appreciate the feedback! It was zero degrees outside and I definitely wouldn't have put as much time into once my fingers started freezing up lol
I enjoy your videos❤
Thanks for your teaching video Aaron!
It's a good thing you have that man cave to do these things. That looks like it takes a bit of practice. I can only imagine doing that in the rain or snow. This is a very interesting video. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Please stay safe, and God bless.
The man cave is a work in progress 😁 I've got everything framed up, just gotta do the mudding now 😦
Fascinating video, I have no relation to the trade, just electrical experience, love your videos and feel like it gives me great insight on issues when they occur
It seems like this is something that varies a little from crew to crew, everybody has their own little trick or preference and pretty much all of them work, really enjoy the video thanks bob
I LOVE the example cross bar built in the basement. It also makes for a bit better audio. Thanks for sharing!
I remember reading an article about the beginnings of the UK national grid in a book from the 30s. They had problems with uplift on HV cables on wood poles coming down the side of hills and mountains if there was marshy land at the bottom, they used to use railway sleepers (railroad ties) to make a 'raft' to physically hold the pole down in the ground! It's a fascinating book. Newnes Electrical Encyclopaedia for anyone in the UK who's interested
Cool! I enjoyed watching, nice to see something I would normally never see!
I had to call in a loose conductor a few weeks ago in south texas. Someone was operating a boom and slapped his boom right into one of the 7KV lines. The tie wire held the conductor to the insulator so well that it ripped the entire cross bar off the pole. I was just a half a mile up the road so i could see it clearly. Fortunately, from the tension of the wire on the other poles, and it still being attached to the cross bar, none of the phases touched, nor did they find a path to ground. The VFD came out and secured the area, and two hours later, a couple of linemen repaired the issue
Wow those extendible clamps great idea I do HVAC and I could even use them definitely going to buy. Even could use them working on my race car as well really appreciate you showing them never seen them before
Awesome video Aaron. I always enjoy the in-depth videos. I have so much to learn and I enjoy learning from you because safety is always second to none with you.
Hi Bob!
I am a 2nd year student at st.clair College in chatham Ontario. I have recently started learning "top ties," and our instructor is very strict, which is a good thing, in my opinion. He taught us how to tie roughly similar to your 3rd example. Although, when we bring our wire from back to front, we do the right wire over the left wire. Im not sure how it makes a difference. Also, before we start out top ties, we were taught to coil our wire into 2 even sides, then there are no loose ends able to touch the conductor if the wire happens to be alive!
Long time watcher and love the videos! ❤
Edit: What i meant earlier about the coil, you demonstrated at the end of the video 😅.
Appreciate the comments very much!
Right over left is better in the sense that is tightens the insulator as your tying it. It's a good habit to do them that way.
Other than that, there's no difference.
If you're a long-time watcher, you'd know his name is Aaron.
Nice set up! as an insulator collector. I might make one of those two for displaying some of my insulators!
I was driving across HWY 2 in northern Montana, the likely 7kv line was wrapped around the wire on each side.of the insulator, then a skyward pointing spike over an inch tall. It was radio quiet at 7kv.
Then the line changed to 3 phase likely 34.5 kV, It AM Radio squaked at every insulator, the wire wrap at each insulator was identical to at 7KV.
No FM stations, and crap AM reception, also affecting TV no doubt.
Satelite digital solved.
I liked this, I probably will never need to know how to tie a primary to an insulator, but it's really cool seeing how it's done! And for infotainment, I think this being longer was better for me!
You're videos have been giving me a better appreciation for electrical infrastructure!
Just a thought, if the opportunity ever presents, I could see you and Grady at Practical Engineering doing a collaboration!
thanks man really liked this one and iv been wait waiting for a lesson on tying.
Thanks for the class, appreciated. Cheers
Cool video .
This all started with the telegraph so the methods of tieing go back before the Civil War.
If you like physical textbooks a classical text is "the lineman and cable man's handbook" by Kurtz shoemaker and mack.
The 1st edition is from 1928. My Dads 3rd edition is from 1955 when he sold electric gear to power companies. Mine is 9th edition from 1997.
Parabéns pelo vídeo, admiro seu trabalho
In a video a couple years ago you had commercially made pre-formed ties - these spanned outward from the insulator somewhat. No longer used?
Nice details! Appreciate the difference between hot (energized) and cold work.
Going in to my third year as an overhead apprentice in the lower 48. I have work for two handfuls of journeyman in a half of handful of states. And everyone of them seem to show me a different way to tie in conductor. The last tie you did is what I would use for copper conductor.
Any chance you could do a spool tie? Thanks so much for your videos. Started watching before I got in to the trade. And your channel is one of the reasons I’m in it now.
I'm not in the line trade but this was still super cool to see, thank you for showing it! I do have a random question though, for the sake of the video, did you use your actual rubber gloves and rubber cover-up or were those old/expired/out-of-use things?
So that's what a lineman's "man cave" look like... 🤭
Padmount transformer table with cylinder pole transformers as sitting stools?!.. hehe
Two things that totally surprised me
1. You don’t seem too concerned with handling the cut ends of the tie wire. We all know how sharp they are after being cut with Kleins. Seems like too much extra wear on your gloves.
2. Was that you could sleep at night after twisting your pigtail backward.
Meaning counterclockwise 😂
👍👊‼️
Watching from the UK very interesting thanks for making the video any reason you don't use pliers with insulated handles for extra safety
Never seen that pig tail before really. Doesn’t that just pimp the next guy working out the pole? Keep
Up the great videos!
Tbh I never use the pig tail tie, but is does work really well as far as holding the conductor!
No keep them like you do please 🙂 I'd really like too see a dead end instalation how does it hold all that weight i cant find that type of video anywhere thanks mike iron river m.i.
Great demo
If drill four inserts into the floor. You could bolt down the timber. But after you disassembled. You put those foam ear plugs in the floor inserts, to keep the dirt out and no trip hazard.
Safety is your friend.
wow!
4:28
What do you mean by "radio interference" ?
I understand the term, just curious to understand what happens to what, if you leave it stickin out?
Thanks for taking the time to share some aspects of your work. As an electrician, i always enjoy watching you guys at work. Most of the time, it's when you have to install a new transformer bank on the pole, so that the new service entrance i installed, gets hooked up.. 😏
Btw, i'm presently working on a new instalation of fast charging station on an existing gaz station terrain, and it requires a new padmount transformer..
It's a first for me doing this.
I have all the specifications and requirements i need to know to make it " H-Q aproved " 😋 , but i thought it would be nice to see a " how to " video on padmounts explaining and showing the steps in the installation process.
I don't know the science behind it but it can cause interference to AM radio as well as radio communication with the municipality. According to our department of transportation and our standards books this can be cause by these little "high voltage antennas". From my experience it comes more from ties that are loose and have small amounts of arcing.
I've gone around the whole city a few times with a guy from The dot as we searched for these interferences with his little contraption that detected the interference.
The topic come up in the channel once and a viewer explained it in the comment section very well I wish I could find it.
@@Bobsdecline cool. Thanks man. Keep up the good work 🍻
#1. Do not install a pad on frozen backfill. Don't install conduits to/from transformer pad to building in frozen backfill.
I have seen the conduits sheared and moved over 6 inches, energized wires inside, transformer pad tipped.
Also water level can put water that freezes inside control or monitoring conduits, splitting conduits and shorting or breaking wires.
It's called corona. Corona discharge, not corona virus. It's a little ionization of the air near the energized conductor, and it's strongest near points that concentrate the electric field.
@@Bobsdecline I'm not an expert but I will give it a shot in layman's terms. Based on diagrams of the original Marconi wireless telegraph, part of the circuit involves drawing an arc across a gap and one side of that circuit is the telegraph key. (switch) The other side is connected to a long wire. (antenna) Pictures of planes and ships from circa 1900 usually show that long wire (the antenna) between the smoke stacks or running the length if a plane, up to the top of the tail. This takes the signal generated from that arcing gap and radiates it into the atmosphere. In Arron's example, if those tails are left long and straight, they become an antenna that will propagate any arcing signals into the atmosphere, just on a smaller scale. If you curl the ends over then you reduce the effective radiated signal. Bottom line is the ties need to be tight to reduce arcing AND tails short to reduce radiating. The technical name for this problem is RFI or Radio Frequency Interference.
A wrap of tape on the ridge pin would have taken care of that loose insulator
Nice video i am not a lineman what are some of the situations that you would use a top tie or a side tie thanks
When designing a line, we try and make it as straight as possible to minimize guy wires. The top tie is most commonly used and is applied when the line is passing through the structure at 0° in reference to each adjacent structure.
On corner poles we use the side tie so the majority of the pressure/tension is against the insulator as opposed to the tie itself.
Haven’t watched the full video but wondering if you all have started using preforms yet?
Arron heres a question im hopeing you can answer . the other day on youtube i saw some junior electrican from bc show something that i feel is very odd . he was showing a tree down it took out what he says is 14,400 volt primary line and it touched the triplex line and fried a house . first off i thought primary lines for res are 7,200 volts each secondly i didnt think primary lines had enough slack to drop that low and no the poles were fully intact it dosent even look like the fuse blew on the pole and the wires werent broken either . my question is it even possible for the phased lines to even reach the triplex then send 14,400 volts into a house and not even blow the main panel to bits the house didnt even catch fire . to me it dosent seem correct .
What gauge is that aluminum tie wire? Also, is there any risk of galvanic corrosion against the steel wire? Thanks
#4 Aluminum (solid). The outer body of the conductor is also aluminum and have never seen corrosion of any kind around the tie. On very old conductor we'll typically see the steel strand begin to rust, especially in coastal areas. We now use aluminum conductor without a steel core near the coast.
@@Bobsdecline Thanks i didn't know the primaries were aluminum now Cheers
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288from what i know, the reasons for using aluminium vs. copper wires is that they dont oxide, they are lighter and aluminium cost less than copper.
Only "down side" is that it's a little less conductive than copper.
@@martf1061 I would have expected aluminum to deform over time without a strength member.. but i'm not a metallurgist🤷♂
Knobs and tubes... 🤭😉😋
The long bits of wire does my head in a bit.
We use a coil of wire opened up in the middle to minimise the risk of going phase to phase with the tie or if you drop them accidentally.
Effectively your “hot line tie” for everything but neatly formed around a tube.
You and Electroboom should do a basement collaboration
This channel is so much better than Electroboom.
This guy actually takes his job seriously.
No room for jokes here.
Consider neon sign transformers for 7kv and 15kv demos.
My brother worked for local large electric supplier for over forty years. He know every bar in our big city because that's where he drank his lunch every day.