Honestly now I kind of want Ellias back. He was an asshole but... not like that. I always had the feeling people recovered after what he did to them but now with Peter Lucas and Martin I´m not so sure he will recover
I love how this could only happen because she just kept trying to be polite. Like, sure your instructor is probably a cultist and your classmate's skin seems to shift and leave permanent marks against your skin, but it's rude to just run away before class is over.
Jep, this is the reason you should teach your children to be safe before teaching them to be polite. I know this is an evil entity and maybe nothing could have been done either way but I hate it when children get indoctrinated with always beeing polite to strangers even if they make them uncomfortable (you have to hug your uncle even if you don´t feel safe with him) and then the parents wonder how they got kidnapped or molested. If you feel unsafe you should always go no matter how rude it seems. Thank you for coming to my ted talk
That's honestly a detail I love about this series--they really do capture the thing people for real do where they're so confused that they default to POLITE over SAFE and end up in dangerous situations
I do wonder if his dislike of computers might be because the internet can be connected to "the web" which was shown in an earlier episode and the lonely doesn´t like the web or if I´m overthinking it
@@baszko6152 Yeah... all these interactions between human beings happening while they can be thousands of kilometres away from each other at the same time... It probably disgusts him lol
Well, Peter's trying to pull Martin to the Lonely, and I for one would love to introduce Mr. Lonely to a new friend. That pipe has to be around here somewhere...
I liked him back when we had bigger fish to fry, and then he became their boss and I was like "well he said he'd do less murder and it's not Elias so..." but here we are >:(
@@ot7biasedmashups bet there's a whole ass fear about homophobia. Some dude is just trapped in a vast and endless pride festival. "Statement of John McCormack from Idaho regarding being trapped in a rainbow."
I love how most of us were chill with Elias despite his murders far too long but as soon as Lukas says "you don't go hug John" to Martin we all lose our shits and hate him.
@@iMirandaJae It's a reference to the liveshow, July of 2020, which comes out after this episode, but the events within occur before the beginning of the podcast, so,, spoilers, I guess? Elias has just transferred Martin to the Archives where Jon works. The first morning he's there, Martin tries to befriend a stray dog outside the building, but accidentally lets it in, where it makes a mess. This is when Jon and Martin first meet, Martin trying to catch the dog. John doesn't know what's going on, Martin explains that he now works there, for Jon, and Jon threatens to fire him for the dog incident. That's all I can remember, might be off in the finer details.
Considering our first introduction to him was him sacrificing a scared young crewmate on his obvious shell-operation ship, I'm surprised it took you two episodes.
I know The Worker in Clay's supposed to be terrifying and creepy and stuff, but like,,, I actually really like him. He just seems so genuinely sweet and excited about sculpture! If he didn't drive people to madness, I'd love to be his friend
Statement Giver: I sent an E-mail talking about leaving due to inappropriate behavior, and my safety net was booted from the class, Gabriel kept on happily shaping, and the teacher, Ray, now refused to actually teach the class. Gabriel must be the villain here.
"I don't like being manipulated" "But you also know I'm right" "....yeah..." And this right here is why I hate Peter's type of manipulation (and also him) so much - and it also makes it clear why the fuck he'd be Elias' husband, they really deserve each other
If you've ever dealt with depressed individuals who have learned to hide it, this is absolutely normal. As for me, it's personal experience plus dealing with them. Knowing Peter's motivations makes me want to throw him into the Vast and see how much he enjoys the isolation while he's rushing at terminal velocity.
Very kind of the ceaseless watcher to strategically place all these magic tape recorders everywhere so that they conveniently record everything important for us.
Well, at least we know that Martin WANTS to be talking to John. He just can't because Lukas is driving him to the Lonely. Can someone come and save Martin please? I don't care about the "big picture". I just want him and John to be happy. (And maybe Melanie and Basira not to die but I don't had high hopes)
Considering most artists, my surprise is minimal. Heck, if normal people weren't in that class there pprobably wouldn't even have been any victims. Everyone just making really ominously good crafts and having a grand old time.
@@clayxros576 was in art school for 4 years and thats so true. Everyone of the students, without fail, was eccentric in one way or another and most of them seemed slightly crazy to people not used to it. It was definitely the best school I've been to
i love how in some episodes we come from a huge, life threatening fight and then the next we're straight back into statements like nothing ever happened
I wont lie, a sort of "rest season" would do me good, maybe a really short season of just wholesome and good interactions, no horrible shit happening, only some unsettling things maybe a few funny encounters, but Im not the writer here and I still love the series.
It's funny how the Eye seems to only be interested in statements regarding the other entities. Keeping in mind that they're all aspects of one being... is the Eye the being's self-reflection?
I'm not sure they're all an aspect of the same being, especially with the rivalry between factions and how dead set they are on sabotaging each other's rituals. I took Gerry's anthill explanation to mean that the books, the creatures, and the events can all be a part of the same entity despite seeming entirely different at a first glance.
@@himeow7454 Its not that they're all aspects of the same being. Its that there is fear, and there are specific flavours of fear. Sometimes they kind of mix together and you get stuff like, say Thrown Away or Binary. The books, the avatars, the monsters, they're all ways that fear makes itself manifest in the world. But to say that there is one being that all the fears are a part of is not accurate.
I may be wrong, but I think Gabriel may have been the Distortion before Michael; even if he wasn't, he probably didn't know our "Michaela' specifically at that point in time. Michael never gave a specific date for the trip to Sannikov Land in his statement, and since Jon speculated that this statement may have been what helped Gertrude form her plan, I heavily doubt Michael was the Distortion at the time the events in this statement took place.
I got confused about this. Apparent I was mixing up the Stranger and the Spiral. Stranger includes the circus, the uncanny valley, "something's not right", "I do not know you". The Spiral is the doors, madness and lies, deceit, fractals and hallucinations, "it is not what it is". So the Spiral is more about being wrong about something one thought one knew, and the Stranger is more about unfamiliarity. That is to say, Gabriel is part of the Spiral and so was Michael/Helen, and neither of them are part of the circus.
I'm genuinely starting to feel that Martin's is gonna be forced to become an Avatar of the lonely in order for *something* to happen. "When this is all over you won't one too" gives it away for me
Did martin just confirm that the recorders are from the web? The fact that apparently the web missed jon makes me imagine the spider from that creepy book looking sad when he didn't show up for dinner lmao
Weirdly, I do really like the dynamic between Martin and Lukas. It lets martin be seen in a different light. And it's also interesting how Lukas viewed Martin right off the bat, not underestimating him like just about everybody else in the show. Also, Lukas is very well-written and well acted, so it's always enjoyable when he's in a scene.
I listen to it on a podcast site and later come to youtube just to see if there are interesting comments. Not brave enough to look on reddit without finishing the series as far as it is. I don´t want spoilers
I love that all the Michaels in this world are so friendly and polite to humans and then people always respond with horror and hatred lol Also, MARTIN!!!! BE SAFE!!!!!
I just realized- Martin complains about Peters words the whole time but it's passive, but then Peter starts to insult Jon and Martin just goes *"Peter."* with the "shut the eff up now" tone of voice
Peter Lucas was such a great secondary villain. I thought that things would get boring with Elias out of commission, but no Peter Lucas is just as dispicable and yet very distinct from Elias.
Spiral is... Is it madness? I can never really understand it. It bends reality, sure, but so does every other fear. Any of you have any idea on what Spiral really is?
All the powers bend reality to their own specific way. The Stranger makes you unable to recognise anything, sort of gives reality itself dementia. The Vast just makes things b i g g e r. The Dark just manifests things in the dark. The Spiral, I always assumed, gave meaning to meaningless things, and those meanings are horrifying. Think those people who see jesus in pancakes and then make Jesus Yog Sothoth. Its a very stimulus based fear.
I think the Spiral is indeed madness. The fear that your own senses are unreliable, that the world isn’t real but how could it not be? I’m not sure if it’s entirely aligned with the others, but I think there’s at least a little bit of that in all of them. Keep in mind I’m not entirely sure. But if I had to guess, that feeling of “This Is Impossible” is sort of like... spices with the others, while the Spiral is one massive red pepper. I think?
The Spiral is madness, hallucination, paradox. It Is Not What It Is. The Stranger deals with seeming, a thing that is a real thing but has a superficial layer to look like something else, to conceal and deceive, it is the Uncanny Valley effect given life. The Spiral can, among its other things, make your senses bend themselves around the wrong way so you're unsure if you're seeing something for real; the Stranger will just present its disguise and let you mistake yourself. It's the difference between internal and external.
@@virginiaf4117 it's one of the bloopers, Michael was supposed to say "labored for decades" but the person who voices him kept accidentally saying "labelled"
It's episodes like this that remind me that none of them signed up for this. Jon was working some fairly mundane job at the institute when Elias saw him walk by and said "YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT COMING OF OUR GOD THE BEHOLDING" and Jon was like "shit. Kay can I have some help?" Which I can only imagine Elias cackling madly to himself about before agreeing
Gabriel's just so enthusiastic and passionate even with his description I can't help but like him as a character. Also that sculpture of the distortions door💖
Okay I finally have the perfect analogy for this series. It's like that scene from Rocky Horror except it never finishes the word. I just sit here shaking in antici.......
"Here on the lest, those are the library staff?" "Those are the dates!" It's little moments like this, were the humor creeps through, that really get me
Ok, for the record. I liked Elias, even after everything that's happened. Sure, he was a scheming manipulative bastard, but he was our scheming manipulative bastard. And at least he had style. We have enough problems in the archives with the Eye and everything, we really don't need the Lonely there too, especially not with Martin! Don't hurt him like this!!! Completely isolating him from everyone is so much worse than giving him a bit of trauma. They have enough already, that's nothing new, but cutting him off from everyone is *not* okay. I've never trusted Lukas for one bit and I never really liked him, but after this episode, I would like to modify that statement to "Kill it! Kill it with fire!" God, never thought I'd say this, but I want Elias back if they're our only two options... Leave them alone, Peter! (Poor choice of words, pun not intended)
I tried to listen to these on the official site, but apparently, I underestimated just how much the comment section helps me stave off the creeping horror. Came back because having all this horror without the comments and random ads to break the mood was a bit too much for me.
Look at y’all now 🙄 should’ve listened to Elias. He was bad but he wasn’t the biggest bad. Elias would never isolate Martin from his friends like some abusive relationship edit: god dammit
MICHAEL THE FRIEND :DDD also Gabriel being a creep but showing the thing to the protagonist really sounds like this one "friend" who have a crush on you is creepy but he is too nice for someone to tell him to fuck off
same, but this is the worker in clay, a different being michael wasn't ever a person before he was michael, he was just still a friend of gabriel's as a spooky door
i have a suspicion that even if elias assigned peter lukas, he didnt want him to do this. sure, maybe he would feed the lonely an avatar as a payment, but he wouldnt want a ritual
So Gabriel's friend is, to me at least, apparently the distortion. And we've known the distortion as Michael before. And I've seen some vague spoilers so I'm getting the idea of what particularly they are, if not already just horrifying
“you missed him didn’t you?....yeah, yeah me too”
that line added fourteen years to my lifespan
I’ve known Peter Lucas for like five minutes but if anything were to happen to him I’d probably throw a party
Honestly now I kind of want Ellias back. He was an asshole but... not like that. I always had the feeling people recovered after what he did to them but now with Peter Lucas and Martin I´m not so sure he will recover
Same
I am actually quite fond of Peter, but your comment made me laugh for like 2 minutes straight. I don't know what's up with that, but good job!
@@germanerd6148 Gertrude and Leitner sure recovered very well
I'll bring dessert :)
I love how this could only happen because she just kept trying to be polite. Like, sure your instructor is probably a cultist and your classmate's skin seems to shift and leave permanent marks against your skin, but it's rude to just run away before class is over.
Jep, this is the reason you should teach your children to be safe before teaching them to be polite. I know this is an evil entity and maybe nothing could have been done either way but I hate it when children get indoctrinated with always beeing polite to strangers even if they make them uncomfortable (you have to hug your uncle even if you don´t feel safe with him) and then the parents wonder how they got kidnapped or molested.
If you feel unsafe you should always go no matter how rude it seems.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
Fuck Politeness, SSDGM
forget idiot plot. this is just people pleaser plot
Exactly what I just ranted about. This character is *ridiculously* unrealistic. Rude? That's when you get *violent!*
That's honestly a detail I love about this series--they really do capture the thing people for real do where they're so confused that they default to POLITE over SAFE and end up in dangerous situations
The fact that Jon now refers to himself as “The Archivist” instead of “Head archivist of the Magnus Institute” is so bone chilling to me.
I still can't get used to it.
he's growing into his avatarhood 😔
I have listened to this series over and over again, I still jump a bit when he says it
I've listened to every episode of season 4 at least 2 times and I'm still not used to it
Oh I called that shit earlier on, I out loud went "fucking called it" the first time he said it
the inexplicably happy and matter of fact way he says "but he was made of clay" is so spine chilling
THE WORKER OF CLAY HAD LABOU-
@@bribri9320 Labelled? DiD I sAy It AgAiN
@@jiangwanyeehaw ugh im knackered ive been doing all this 𝓵𝓪𝓫𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓲𝓷𝓰 ~
it made it sound eerily like a mild annoyance to, like: "ugh, bill being made of clay, again."
my only comfort is peter not understanding technology
I mean he does radiate boomer energy after all
I do wonder if his dislike of computers might be because the internet can be connected to "the web" which was shown in an earlier episode and the lonely doesn´t like the web or if I´m overthinking it
even the tape recorders go crazy when he's near, i assume the computers would simply explode on contact
@@germanerd6148 or because internet connects us?
@@baszko6152
Yeah... all these interactions between human beings happening while they can be thousands of kilometres away from each other at the same time... It probably disgusts him lol
Well, Peter's trying to pull Martin to the Lonely, and I for one would love to introduce Mr. Lonely to a new friend. That pipe has to be around here somewhere...
Yes, please do. I'll help! I'll even get the shovel ready.
@Athena Sprague I’ll get an alibi for your alibi and a nice cup of tea
I'll prepare the coffin! And I'll make sure it's sturdy enough that nothing will escape.
I've got about 200 acres of empty land in the middle of nowhere. Take whatever plot you need
This comment is pure gold.
ok but the way martin started talking to the tape recorder like it was a pet was so cute 😭😭
Well he is the cutest 😭😭
But it also is a bit concerning and pretty telling of the isolation he's facing...
Totally believing that the tapes are manifesting by Martin because Jon wants to know what Martin is up to
That is so phenomenally adorable
NOT RUSTYQILL HEARTING THIS
@Lucinda Gomez recent message! Ello!
Rusty quill hearting this??
Coincidence?! I THINK NOT!
Oh my god, the idea of Martin thinking the tapes missed Jon, but the tape is there because Jon misses Martin 😭😭😭
I've never hated a character so quickly as with Peter Lucas. This is basically the third time he has spoken.
What gets me is how pleasant he sounds. For a guy who's an avatar of lonely isolation, he sounds almost peppy sometimes.
Everytime he speaks all my hair stands on end. The screaming static doesn't help.
I even liked him at first….he sounded nice. Now he’s being a bitch
I liked him back when we had bigger fish to fry, and then he became their boss and I was like "well he said he'd do less murder and it's not Elias so..." but here we are >:(
Martin: It's the being cryptic for me
Peter: It's the messy archives for me
This comment is truly a product of its time.
Also Lukas: It's the 'puters for me
Elias is laughing himself to tears in his prison cell.
PLEASE
LMAO
Bet is goes something like:"They thought I was a bad boss? Just wait until peter decides to do something to them!
LMFAO
I hate how they all use martin's feelings towards jon against him :c
Yeah thats not freaking cool what the freak
Its really not giving gay rights
@@cherrisoda892breaking news: the fears are homophobic
@@ot7biasedmashups bet there's a whole ass fear about homophobia. Some dude is just trapped in a vast and endless pride festival. "Statement of John McCormack from Idaho regarding being trapped in a rainbow."
@@blackheartangel4138 I'M DYING BAHAHAHAH
OKAY HOW CUTE IS MARTIN TALKING TO THE RECORDER!? "It's because he's back, isn't it?" "Alright, you do you." UHM 😊
Low key I started having a conversation with him for a good few seconds until I realised he was talking to the tape recorder
He's talking to the tape recorder??? I thought there was some other person typing it out to not be heard omg I gotta listen again
He knows Jon listens to the recordings.
So he knows Jon will hear his conversation
if you like martin talking to the tapes, you're going to love mag 170! (:
@@the_pipster Rude
Are we gonna gloss over the fact that Gabriel made a friendship gift for the spiral?
It feels like Martins talking to us
I know! It’s just “Yes, the door is a good friend of mine :D”
I love how most of us were chill with Elias despite his murders far too long but as soon as Lukas says "you don't go hug John" to Martin we all lose our shits and hate him.
Oh, yeah. Elias never did anything to separate them so... he wanted but he never tried xD
@@NerveUnderscoreif the dog incident is anything to go by he practically pushed them together and said "now kith"
Tbf many of the main cast have a kill count
@a_jae_doe My brain is blanking, pls remind me what this "dog incident" was again??
@@iMirandaJae It's a reference to the liveshow, July of 2020, which comes out after this episode, but the events within occur before the beginning of the podcast, so,, spoilers, I guess?
Elias has just transferred Martin to the Archives where Jon works. The first morning he's there, Martin tries to befriend a stray dog outside the building, but accidentally lets it in, where it makes a mess. This is when Jon and Martin first meet, Martin trying to catch the dog. John doesn't know what's going on, Martin explains that he now works there, for Jon, and Jon threatens to fire him for the dog incident. That's all I can remember, might be off in the finer details.
I RETRACT MY STATEMENT ABOUT PETER BEING A BETTER BOSS
Considering our first introduction to him was him sacrificing a scared young crewmate on his obvious shell-operation ship, I'm surprised it took you two episodes.
Yeah... Him being able to prevent Martin from "hanging out" with Jon isn't a good sign, ouch
@@clayxros576 The plague or the cholera
I'm laughing so hard, I just started the series and actually saw your comment. Seeing this follow up made my day!
@@macabrecitrus2127 idk why all you hate their bosses. My theory is that they are working to stop the eyes ritual. And John will do it unknowingly
I can imagine Gabriel giving his art project to Michael like “here you go! A present for you!!”
I know The Worker in Clay's supposed to be terrifying and creepy and stuff, but like,,, I actually really like him. He just seems so genuinely sweet and excited about sculpture! If he didn't drive people to madness, I'd love to be his friend
His actions are adorable in a scary way
AND he sculpted the Distortion!!! :')
Statement Giver: I sent an E-mail talking about leaving due to inappropriate behavior, and my safety net was booted from the class, Gabriel kept on happily shaping, and the teacher, Ray, now refused to actually teach the class. Gabriel must be the villain here.
He just wanted a frend to show his sculpture's to 😅
"I don't like being manipulated"
"But you also know I'm right"
"....yeah..."
And this right here is why I hate Peter's type of manipulation (and also him) so much - and it also makes it clear why the fuck he'd be Elias' husband, they really deserve each other
Sorry, when did we find out he's Elias' husband? Did I miss that somehow or did I just get spoiled?
@@KeKe-bv8qv they’re not married in canon it’s just a fun fandom idea that they’ve been married and divorced multiple times over their lifetimes
@@kat251 Cool😄👍
@@kat251Lmao why is that so cute XD
Uh uh☝ No spoiler 🤭
"there was no sign of mary, they still havent found her" god what a line
OH WOW THE THROWBACK TO SANNIKOV LAND
Especially considering the end
@@HyacinthoIgnis Had to laugh that this simple woman looked it up and found out it's a fairytale, while Michael the archival assistant didn't bother.
The Twisting attending a community art class and trying desperately to make friends with a random middle-aged woman is so.... cute?
Ya know peter is a lot more... emotive than I'd expect of someone serving the lonely
it sounds so faked, though... and sinister
Sometimes it's easier to cover up the loneliness with a mask of joy and playfulness. Or maybe he just is *happy* being alone in the first place.
If you've ever dealt with depressed individuals who have learned to hide it, this is absolutely normal. As for me, it's personal experience plus dealing with them. Knowing Peter's motivations makes me want to throw him into the Vast and see how much he enjoys the isolation while he's rushing at terminal velocity.
King of gaslighting
For some reason I imagined Peter being really touchy as he talked to Martin and it just made that whole interaction 10x creepier.
_me, pointing a gun at lukas:_ get your gross avatar hands off the boy or so help me god
Thank God I wasn't the only person who thought that! But still he BETTER get his hand off Jon's Martin or Soo help me to the entity's!
I can't imagine that the lonely would be very intimate like that
Oh god that does make it so much worse and I can see it so clearly as well
Why did you have to put that image in my head. Why would you pull an Elias on me like that.
Noone:
The fandom: yeah we're renaming the 'Elias hate club' into ' Eye btch and Lonely btch hate club'
"The Boss Husbands hate club"
Hmm, do I hate Peter more than Elias...??
That is utter cruelty to both Martin and Jon.
Very kind of the ceaseless watcher to strategically place all these magic tape recorders everywhere so that they conveniently record everything important for us.
And what do you think now?
@@GREATGAIWAIN LOL
Well, at least we know that Martin WANTS to be talking to John. He just can't because Lukas is driving him to the Lonely.
Can someone come and save Martin please? I don't care about the "big picture". I just want him and John to be happy. (And maybe Melanie and Basira not to die but I don't had high hopes)
poor baby martin :(
LET HIM SEE JON!!
Mmmmmmm yes
Burning hatred for a fictional character
My favourite kind of rage
PLEASE I litterally keep an entire list of fictional characters I hate, and since I can't punch them all I can do is angrily add them to the list 😭
Of course an entity of madness gets off in an art class. XD
Lmaoo
Considering most artists, my surprise is minimal. Heck, if normal people weren't in that class there pprobably wouldn't even have been any victims. Everyone just making really ominously good crafts and having a grand old time.
@@clayxros576 was in art school for 4 years and thats so true. Everyone of the students, without fail, was eccentric in one way or another and most of them seemed slightly crazy to people not used to it. It was definitely the best school I've been to
@@frankie9373
So its confirmed that the patron Fear of artists is the Spiral then?
@@clayxros576 I'd say so, yes. Also possibly the stranger aswell.
"I have so much to keep *watch* over." Yup, he really be in the Eye now.
Bruh. He just had a crush on her and wanted to make her his clay wife.
Also throwback to when Micheal/Helen wasn't trapped in a flesh prison.
Aww did Gabriel make a sculpture of the distortion :) such good friends
i love how in some episodes we come from a huge, life threatening fight and then the next we're straight back into statements like nothing ever happened
"Bill was there, but he was made of clay." Why is that so fuckin funny lol
"He had greassy hair, ugly haircut, ugly face, he was so ugly omg"
"..."
"But I don't judge on appearances !"
I wont lie, a sort of "rest season" would do me good, maybe a really short season of just wholesome and good interactions, no horrible shit happening, only some unsettling things maybe a few funny encounters, but Im not the writer here and I still love the series.
The coffee shop AU.
i feel like we ain't getting any respite
I wish they did it like supernatural, a few rest episodes every season.
@@ash.g1310 I just want an episode where some avatars use their supernatural powers to do small little favors for normal people.
yea i need a sitcom season
"Bill was there but he was made of clay" made me chuckle I can't lie
this episode is so fun but my favorite little detail is gabriel refering to the distortion as his friend and making a clay depiction of it :)
It's funny how the Eye seems to only be interested in statements regarding the other entities. Keeping in mind that they're all aspects of one being... is the Eye the being's self-reflection?
Eye look in the mirror and eye see my I.
I'm not sure they're all an aspect of the same being, especially with the rivalry between factions and how dead set they are on sabotaging each other's rituals. I took Gerry's anthill explanation to mean that the books, the creatures, and the events can all be a part of the same entity despite seeming entirely different at a first glance.
@@himeow7454 Its not that they're all aspects of the same being. Its that there is fear, and there are specific flavours of fear. Sometimes they kind of mix together and you get stuff like, say Thrown Away or Binary. The books, the avatars, the monsters, they're all ways that fear makes itself manifest in the world. But to say that there is one being that all the fears are a part of is not accurate.
THE SPIRAL FRIENDSHIP PRESENT IS SO FUCKING CUTE THOUGHHHHHH...THE HORRIFYING MONSTERS ARE FRIENDS...
MARTIN MISSED JON
You know what? I want to see Gabriel work with clay so badly. That sounded so fascinating and interesting to watch.
Is no one gonna mention that Gabriel is apparently friends with Michael and is connected to the circus???
I think he was friends with the door??? like this statement is before the great twisting?
I may be wrong, but I think Gabriel may have been the Distortion before Michael; even if he wasn't, he probably didn't know our "Michaela' specifically at that point in time. Michael never gave a specific date for the trip to Sannikov Land in his statement, and since Jon speculated that this statement may have been what helped Gertrude form her plan, I heavily doubt Michael was the Distortion at the time the events in this statement took place.
the circus?????
I got confused about this. Apparent I was mixing up the Stranger and the Spiral. Stranger includes the circus, the uncanny valley, "something's not right", "I do not know you". The Spiral is the doors, madness and lies, deceit, fractals and hallucinations, "it is not what it is". So the Spiral is more about being wrong about something one thought one knew, and the Stranger is more about unfamiliarity.
That is to say, Gabriel is part of the Spiral and so was Michael/Helen, and neither of them are part of the circus.
i miss michael
I'm genuinely starting to feel that Martin's is gonna be forced to become an Avatar of the lonely in order for *something* to happen.
"When this is all over you won't one too" gives it away for me
Elias and Peter deserve each other
I love how the entire fandom headcanons Lonely eyes, because those two are absplute bastards but like... with different vibes
@@justeundonut-moi.7979 I've read somewhere that Elias is lawful evil while Peter is chaotic evil and I think this is pretty accurate
Took a sculpting class from a man named Ray last year, and I'm already nervous 4 minutes in
So basically, the reason why the clay won’t get soft enough for her to sculpt is because it’s Mary’s face?
that is disgusting 🚪🏃♂️💨
Hold up WHAT?
I must have missed this memo
Oh my god
...WHAT THE FUCK OH GOD NO-
"would help if you archivist knew how to archive." soo true. . .
S1 Jon: "MOOD"
the magnus institute is in serious need of some formative courses
Did martin just confirm that the recorders are from the web? The fact that apparently the web missed jon makes me imagine the spider from that creepy book looking sad when he didn't show up for dinner lmao
aren't the recorders The Eye?
Nah the recorders are The Eye.
the recorders are...... us 👀
@@f_mva Maybe the real Beholding was the recordings of friends we made along the way! ❤️😁
@@TheNitpickChick YES
Martin talking to the recorder like its a pet. ... 😭😭😭😭
Weirdly, I do really like the dynamic between Martin and Lukas. It lets martin be seen in a different light. And it's also interesting how Lukas viewed Martin right off the bat, not underestimating him like just about everybody else in the show. Also, Lukas is very well-written and well acted, so it's always enjoyable when he's in a scene.
jonmartin this and jonmartin that
i just ship peter lucas with that murder pipe from the 2nd season's finale.
a match made in hell
To see how much illiterate Peter Lukas is with technology, brings me some jollies.
njhgyhrtegbt Peter really went "Listen I get you don't like being manipulated but I'mma do it anyway lmao"
This was really unsettling. I feel really bad for that lady.
Season 4 is terrifying...
@Callum Dougherty I know and it’s really a shame that it doesn’t have that many views.
@@johnpears9558 tma is well listened to on platforms more geared towards podcasts
@@johnpears9558 good news, most listiners are there but they just don't use youtube to listen
I listen to it on a podcast site and later come to youtube just to see if there are interesting comments. Not brave enough to look on reddit without finishing the series as far as it is. I don´t want spoilers
Germanerd good choice. There are spoilers....
nooo don't isolate martin, go talk to jon, ahhh the whole season is gonna be like this I know it.
"I quit the class after that." As you should have. Go off Deborah. You've seen enough horror films to know when shit starts to go south.
I love that all the Michaels in this world are so friendly and polite to humans and then people always respond with horror and hatred lol
Also, MARTIN!!!! BE SAFE!!!!!
Why are all the spiral avatars named after angels. Gabriel, Michael, what's next? A Raphael? A Brachial?
what about Helen?
plus there's like a million michaels in TMA tbf
I just realized-
Martin complains about Peters words the whole time but it's passive, but then Peter starts to insult Jon and Martin just goes *"Peter."* with the "shut the eff up now" tone of voice
The theory that we, the viewers are the listeners makes the part where martin talks to the tape recorder feel very wierd
So glad the worker in clay is finally done with all his labeling!
Right? He’s been labeling for decades, he must be knackered! 😁
Peter Lucas was such a great secondary villain. I thought that things would get boring with Elias out of commission, but no Peter Lucas is just as dispicable and yet very distinct from Elias.
as an sculptor this was highly disturbing!❤️
I took a ceramics class in high school and lemme tell ya-- I can SMELL this story.
That smell will haunt me until I'm dead
I love the way they interact with the tape recorders. It really gives the vibe that The Eye is synonymous with the audience.
Spiral is... Is it madness? I can never really understand it. It bends reality, sure, but so does every other fear. Any of you have any idea on what Spiral really is?
All the powers bend reality to their own specific way. The Stranger makes you unable to recognise anything, sort of gives reality itself dementia. The Vast just makes things b i g g e r. The Dark just manifests things in the dark. The Spiral, I always assumed, gave meaning to meaningless things, and those meanings are horrifying. Think those people who see jesus in pancakes and then make Jesus Yog Sothoth. Its a very stimulus based fear.
Huh... That makes sense... Thanks for the insight.
I think the Spiral is indeed madness. The fear that your own senses are unreliable, that the world isn’t real but how could it not be? I’m not sure if it’s entirely aligned with the others, but I think there’s at least a little bit of that in all of them. Keep in mind I’m not entirely sure. But if I had to guess, that feeling of “This Is Impossible” is sort of like... spices with the others, while the Spiral is one massive red pepper. I think?
The Spiral is madness, hallucination, paradox. It Is Not What It Is. The Stranger deals with seeming, a thing that is a real thing but has a superficial layer to look like something else, to conceal and deceive, it is the Uncanny Valley effect given life. The Spiral can, among its other things, make your senses bend themselves around the wrong way so you're unsure if you're seeing something for real; the Stranger will just present its disguise and let you mistake yourself. It's the difference between internal and external.
Here's something that just popped into my head. The Stranger is "I can't trust any of you", The Spiral is "I can't trust my own senses"
Me, an artist called Rosa living in the UK: Bruh...
Eastwood Park prison is right by where I grew up 😬
He's just crafting, leave him alone Deborah
I know its scary but Bill being made of clay made me absolutely lose it in laughter
Gabriel!!! The worker of clay who has labelled for decades!!! Yay!
Okay I think I'm missing something. What's this stuff about labeling?
it's a blooper
@@virginiaf4117 it's one of the bloopers, Michael was supposed to say "labored for decades" but the person who voices him kept accidentally saying "labelled"
@@cal_amity7319 lol I love that
holy shit i made it into TMA
congrats, can't wait for your art show
I know it shouldn't but "bill was there, but he was made of clay" made me laugh so hard
It's episodes like this that remind me that none of them signed up for this. Jon was working some fairly mundane job at the institute when Elias saw him walk by and said "YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT COMING OF OUR GOD THE BEHOLDING" and Jon was like "shit. Kay can I have some help?" Which I can only imagine Elias cackling madly to himself about before agreeing
Gabriel's just so enthusiastic and passionate even with his description I can't help but like him as a character.
Also that sculpture of the distortions door💖
idk why it took so long for me to figure out this episode was the spiral, I kept thinking of the flesh
Okay I finally have the perfect analogy for this series. It's like that scene from Rocky Horror except it never finishes the word. I just sit here shaking in antici.......
........pation
"Here on the lest, those are the library staff?"
"Those are the dates!"
It's little moments like this, were the humor creeps through, that really get me
elias please come back, you're forgiven
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@@f_mva lol 😆
as someone thats super into surrealist art and oddities the weird clay fish sounds super fucking rad
my boy gabe just Sculpted The Spiral
Ok, for the record. I liked Elias, even after everything that's happened. Sure, he was a scheming manipulative bastard, but he was our scheming manipulative bastard. And at least he had style. We have enough problems in the archives with the Eye and everything, we really don't need the Lonely there too, especially not with Martin! Don't hurt him like this!!! Completely isolating him from everyone is so much worse than giving him a bit of trauma. They have enough already, that's nothing new, but cutting him off from everyone is *not* okay. I've never trusted Lukas for one bit and I never really liked him, but after this episode, I would like to modify that statement to "Kill it! Kill it with fire!"
God, never thought I'd say this, but I want Elias back if they're our only two options...
Leave them alone, Peter! (Poor choice of words, pun not intended)
I tried to listen to these on the official site, but apparently, I underestimated just how much the comment section helps me stave off the creeping horror.
Came back because having all this horror without the comments and random ads to break the mood was a bit too much for me.
Damn Peter really be saying "gaslight gatekeep girlboss"
Look at y’all now 🙄 should’ve listened to Elias. He was bad but he wasn’t the biggest bad.
Elias would never isolate Martin from his friends like some abusive relationship
edit: god dammit
the fact that your edit was only visible under a "read more" made this especially hilarious
MICHAEL THE FRIEND :DDD also Gabriel being a creep but showing the thing to the protagonist really sounds like this one "friend" who have a crush on you is creepy but he is too nice for someone to tell him to fuck off
Also Jon only language he can't understand: university type of notes
125- John cutting and removing a bullet
126- Sculptor's tools gfjdkhgfdfg
"Per͡fećt͟! ̧ ̛It loo̡k̶s͘ jus͡t̡ like̢ ͞h̡i̶m! 😃"
This episode is equal parts ominously spooky and hilarious. Love Martin sassing boomer!Peter
"i suppose i could've run before, but i wouldn't want to seem *rude* "
I love this art class energy
I always find a good chuckle of "Micheal" or whoever he was at the time taking a pottery class for sh!ts & giggles
same, but this is the worker in clay, a different being
michael wasn't ever a person before he was michael, he was just still a friend of gabriel's as a spooky door
i have a suspicion that even if elias assigned peter lukas, he didnt want him to do this. sure, maybe he would feed the lonely an avatar as a payment, but he wouldnt want a ritual
Martin (and Tim) making me feel almost guilty for continuing to listen 😢
(clicks episode 127)
i love gabriel hes a good art boy
So Gabriel's friend is, to me at least, apparently the distortion. And we've known the distortion as Michael before. And I've seen some vague spoilers so I'm getting the idea of what particularly they are, if not already just horrifying
These kids serving a fear because they're scared or too awkward to just say no or dip will always be the most hilarious thing to me😂😂