Why did Saruman REALLY Become Evil?

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  • @Seven_Leaf
    @Seven_Leaf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3459

    Saruman: "The Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind."
    Also Saruman: _Has a barrel of the stuff in his house._

    • @PrinceofTroy-kx3nk
      @PrinceofTroy-kx3nk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      Lmao😂😅😊U killed me🤣 I Wouldn't put it past Saruman doing that . He's too sketchy 😊

    • @vojtechlansky86
      @vojtechlansky86 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      Maybe he use it occasionally, while Gandalf is addicted.
      Like i can drink and still tell my friends they are drunk as fuck

    • @Charmienckaieo-qr3ri
      @Charmienckaieo-qr3ri 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @DAlienzombie
      @DAlienzombie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Nobody knew after why he had it. Many coincidental occasions, one effect. A pot of smoke, far from home. To serve the travellers in the end, as it would even if they stayed home. Not the beliefs create the ways. The ways unchange generations.

    • @richardmaggio1979
      @richardmaggio1979 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Who doesn’t love the halfling leaf?

  • @ianhudson7350
    @ianhudson7350 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4762

    Just like his cousin Count Dooku.

    • @parkeydee
      @parkeydee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

      😂😂😂

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

      One of Jackson's unforgivable changes was removing The Scourging of The Shire which ended with Saruman's death. Imagine Revenge of The Sith without Anakin killing the count...

    • @louisbrown4620
      @louisbrown4620 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      @@marbellaotaiza801 absolutely. Just awful. But, Return of the King was so long as is. But, I do agree. Of all the things to cut?

    • @matteloht
      @matteloht 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@marbellaotaiza801 actually, rumors said it actually should have been the secretly dark lord Darth Jar Jar in that dual. Also Darth Jar Jar seems now also be semi canon due to the trailer of the Lego SW series "Rebuild the Galaxy" ^^

    • @warrengouldthorpe5091
      @warrengouldthorpe5091 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      ​@@marbellaotaiza801The Scourging of The Shire of of added at least an extra hour of run time to the film, so they didn't add it because the third film is already a long film

  • @themadhanna
    @themadhanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1873

    Not only was he jealous that Gandalf was given the ring by Cirdan the Shipwright, but he was so jealous and admired Sauron so much that he made his own ring of power and named himself "Ring Maker."

    • @ramondejesus65
      @ramondejesus65 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +216

      The fact that Saruman might have forged himself a ring of power is super cool and never really talked about. Unfortunately Tolkien never mentions this ring aside from two sentences spoken By Gandalf and Saruman.

    • @themadhanna
      @themadhanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

      @ramondejesus65 Yes, but Saruman referring to himself as "Ring Maker" is more than enough for me to jump up and down in excitement. 😂

    • @sameehkins5957
      @sameehkins5957 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      ​@ramondejesus65 Tolkien didn't talk much about this ring Saruman made because he failed at a making a magical ring. And even in his failure, Saruman tried making himself look good by naming himself Ring Maker.

    • @ramondejesus65
      @ramondejesus65 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      @@sameehkins5957 Tolkien doesn't really talk about this ring because that's just how Tolkien writes, he likes to keep some things mysterious. But I'm curious, where do you get the idea that Saruman failed to create this ring?

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I don’t think he was jealous of Gandalf the Grey… he was just hungry for power.

  • @Bandersnatch41
    @Bandersnatch41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1039

    One thing that neither the animated film or the live action trilogy do is show that he betrayed Sauron and the attack on Rohan was his own decision

    • @gohawks3571
      @gohawks3571 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

      Hmmm, I thought that was communicated by the fact that he sent his own guys who could march in the light, with the white hand on their helmets. Eomir says they aren't Sauron's guys, but Sarumon's. Maybe not strongly communicated, but I got the point. Eventually, that is😁

    • @guibox3
      @guibox3 หลายเดือนก่อน +241

      The thing is (and what the movie got wrong), was that Saruman was never Sauron's lackey. At best, he was simply in a more 'uneasy alliance' with Sauron, you could say. He was in it for himself and he wanted the ring for himself. HE wanted to be the Dark Lord, not serve him like the movies made it out to be. That is why he had the Uruk'hai bring the hobbits to Isengard and not give them over to Mordor.

    • @LordIvor6
      @LordIvor6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@guibox3 I recall that Nazgul and orcs were sent to spy on Saruman.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      @@Bandersnatch41 thank you guys. I'm so tired of Petesplainers worshipping everything the movies get wrong. Yes, Saruman betrayed both his order and the elves, and Sauron. But the movie shows him on the Palantir calling him "master" 🙄 spoiling the fact that there was a Palantir in Orthanc btw: that's not discovered until Pippin takes a look at it after Grima throws it from the uppermost window...

    • @TheT4Gz
      @TheT4Gz หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Also fun little tidbit in BFME 2 the goblin army attacks the shire in the evil campaign following the mouth of Sauron, then Isengard shows up and fights you for it and you have to fight them too.

  • @mainscape6619
    @mainscape6619 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +454

    Jealousy is but the child of pride and greed

    • @chuckhoyle1211
      @chuckhoyle1211 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      It all starts with pride. That is why pride is the cardinal sin. It makes all the others possible.

    • @athenatanyimin4035
      @athenatanyimin4035 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@chuckhoyle1211I dunno, I think sloth is pretty contrary to pride. How can you be proud of the fact you just laze about all day?
      Source: am lazy as fuck. Definitely not proud of it 😅

    • @patrickholt2270
      @patrickholt2270 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Unequal distribution of wealth, power and popularity has something to do with it too.

    • @chuckhoyle1211
      @chuckhoyle1211 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@athenatanyimin4035 You are too proud to get off your butt and do stuff.

    • @havefuntazarasu5367
      @havefuntazarasu5367 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Saruman is thinking like allah

  • @mohammadbahari1204
    @mohammadbahari1204 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +279

    Rip Christopher lee

    • @user-ys7eh9kx9p
      @user-ys7eh9kx9p 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Im so off i didnt know he was dead..and i love lotr and star wars .. RIP

    • @mohammadbahari1204
      @mohammadbahari1204 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@user-ys7eh9kx9p sorry for breaking it in to you 💔 it's just sad news, he was the most badass actor in the lotr cast. Considering background.

    • @ShardDeVir
      @ShardDeVir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@mohammadbahari1204 and also metal singer with 4 albums.

    •  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He may be dead, but he's probably going to play Dracula a couple more times anyway.

    • @Nefylym
      @Nefylym 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@ShardDeVir not to mention war hero and nazi hunter/assassin, my favorite role of his remains Scaramanga which i suspect was closer to his real self, just a mad lad with a pistol

  • @vicky-vas7liss8
    @vicky-vas7liss8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +276

    In my country we have a saying " The people in power have too much trust in their wisdom while the wise people who should have jad the power have too many second thoughts about it ".
    Gandalf was always afraid of the power he could wield because he feared himself and the hunger for power that could spark in him. He actually humbled himself in order to learn more and be prepared. Saruman always wanted to prove to others his greatness no matter the price. He became the leader of the White Council in hopes of wielding more power to his own means, feeding his ego.

    • @berts558
      @berts558 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yes we should elect people who take the responsibility seriously and don't focus on the perks of power

    • @JohnMitchem-e2k
      @JohnMitchem-e2k 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      In my country, we just say "don't eat the yellow snow". Sometimes we still do, for that is the nature of forgotten wisdom.

    • @xyreniaofcthrayn1195
      @xyreniaofcthrayn1195 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      well no gandalf was supposed to be the leader but he went and told his master er sorry i'm not ready for a promotion so he was awarded the title "the grey" and over time the four others went wayward radagast so enamoured with animals became an animal spirit for a time before heading back to aman to face the ire of his master valar, the true blue wizards are speculated upon, upon roving ever eastward, saruman was going the way of radagast except in the one way he was expressly forbade to, gandalf upon fighting the flame of udun/durin's bane got a one way ticket back to aman upon giving the report that saruman has gone and done the one thing they were not supposed to got his promotion and now did the one thing saruman was concerned gandalf would do ban him from the order, ban him from middle earth, ban him from ever seeing his property in aman again by his banishment from aman. Man saruman getting banned from all but existence.

    • @Nefylym
      @Nefylym 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 aw man! amen?

    • @xyreniaofcthrayn1195
      @xyreniaofcthrayn1195 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Nefylym not amen, Aman the place just west over from numenor and as of the late second age separated from middle earth and is elven pre-heaven and home to the valar, the countless maia and ol' man iluvatar too.

  • @FutureOverYou
    @FutureOverYou 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +620

    That Galadriel pic is stunning.

    • @raziel4235
      @raziel4235 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      All of them are out of this world

    • @lizard3755
      @lizard3755 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      I actually tapped on this just so I could try to find the artist of that picture

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@lizard3755 who is it? There's nothing in the description.

    • @KinO2Consultation
      @KinO2Consultation 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Anybody knows?

    • @khaleesireyna731
      @khaleesireyna731 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I gotta say, Galadrial is kinda one of the underrated greats imo. She's primordial af and has the wisdom and power that goes with being around as long as she has, but she's also kind and sees the good in others.

  • @aellis3888
    @aellis3888 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    What many fans don’t realise is that once Saruman made contact with Sauron, he could sense the merchandising opportunities

    • @Ronin3453
      @Ronin3453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      He saw how Osgiliath could be turned into the largest casino the Middle Earth has ever seen, along with other business opportunities.

    • @AmericanEinherjar
      @AmericanEinherjar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Merchandising: where the REAL money from the war is made!

    • @Think4yourself8000
      @Think4yourself8000 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ronin3453later bankrupting it and merchandising gold shoes and a “Bible”😂

  • @user-gm2gk7hc8m
    @user-gm2gk7hc8m 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

    Envy is the beginning of the fall of everyone. The Evil start trapping you once you develop this feeling in you.

    • @joyfulyes
      @joyfulyes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yes, envy is like an insidious poison in the veins of the soul.

    • @chuckhoyle1211
      @chuckhoyle1211 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It all starts with pride. Pride is the cardinal among the seven deadly sins. Pride makes the other sins possible.

    • @TheOtherKine
      @TheOtherKine 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well, any of the 7 Sins LMAO

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Envy is capitalism's fuel, without it, consumerism and industry would disappear.

    • @francisanthonyanana7590
      @francisanthonyanana7590 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Pride goeth before the fall.

  • @jjs5072
    @jjs5072 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +563

    Interesting, especially considering that, if my memory doesn't fail me, Gandalf held Saruman in really high regard.

    • @ZDProds-c8p
      @ZDProds-c8p 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      Of course he did

    • @giennder
      @giennder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

      I think saruman was stronger generally but the valar and elves saw gandalf's better spirit

    • @markgonzalez4199
      @markgonzalez4199 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

      Yes. Saruman was stronger, but Gandalf was wiser.

    • @mbeu15a
      @mbeu15a 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

      Gandalf was kinder more than wiser. He learnt pity and patience from Nienna, something Saruman lacked.

    • @anandisrocking007
      @anandisrocking007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@giennder then he should have got he is better but someelse got it that screws with your head its like no matter what you do you will not get it

  • @GobiSubramaniam
    @GobiSubramaniam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +347

    Another factor to consider is is what Gandalf and Saruman did when they arrived at Middle Earth.
    While Saruman decided to stay put in Isengard and play hosts to high ranking groups like Kings and Queens, Gandalf took a more humbler role. He travelled and mingled with common folks - Humans, Elves, Dwarves and finally Hobbits. He came to know them and therefore, could see the good in them all the way to the end.
    That is where the famous qoute (from the Hobbits) - "Saruman believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folks that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."
    Saruman could only see deceit, politics and cunningness of these races (through their leaders) which is why he was easily believe that they could fall and Sauron will rule over them.

    • @thomassaxon8254
      @thomassaxon8254 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Saruman originally did travel. He went throughout the East and back again.

    • @badwolf3618
      @badwolf3618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@thomassaxon8254I've often wondered, given that the two Blue Wizards traveled to the East as well, if Saruman killed them while he was out there.

    • @Lucas-q2l5e
      @Lucas-q2l5e 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sooo, Saruman is the equivalent to Lucifer?

    • @jonesnori
      @jonesnori 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      No, that would be Melkor/ Morgoth, the big bad in the First Age. Sauron was one of his minions. ​@@Lucas-q2l5e

    • @Lucas-q2l5e
      @Lucas-q2l5e 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jonesnori OH, I always forget about him... thank you so much!

  • @DanielPlainsight
    @DanielPlainsight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

    This is why he bred his own type of Ork aka the Uruk hai and ordered them to take the ring and bring it back to Eisengard and NOT Mordor.

    • @wasdwasd609
      @wasdwasd609 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      To be fair, it would be wise for Saruman to deliver the Ring to Sauron and not some random Orcs. Not that he would deliver it.

    • @parkeydee
      @parkeydee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      ​@@wasdwasd609saruman wanted the ring for himself. He didn't want to give it to sauron

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I wonder what would he have accomplished? No? He couldn’t ever surpass Sauron

    • @pascalschulz5894
      @pascalschulz5894 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I think the Uruks were actually created before Saruman started producing them?
      Afaik he just worked on them and perfected them? I may be wrong.

    • @niccologregorutti
      @niccologregorutti 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@00Tenrai00That is something that Tolkien wanted to keep ambiguous. Saruman says to the Witch King that if he had the Ring the nazgul would bow to him and kill him "master". In a letter Tolkien says that had Gandalf claimed the Ring he could contend with Sauron,he didn't specifically say that Gandalf would win,but he went on to say that if indeed Gandalf were able to win Sauron,he would be a much more terrible tyrant than him.
      In short, it's not clear and explicit,but Tolkien never excluded the possibility of Sauron being overthrown by Gandalf or Saruman,were they to claim the Ring

  • @khaleesireyna731
    @khaleesireyna731 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I feel like this video, in a way, perfectly explains what Gandalf meant when he came back as the white wizard when he says "Or more like, I'm Sauroman as he should have been".
    Gandalf never craved power, knowing the burdens that come with it. Gandalf also understood the ways, lives, and wills of men, elves, and hobbits (and was respected by all of them for it). Had Sauroman pursued knowledge and understanding the way Gandalf did, he wouldn't have had to be envious of Gandalf, because he would have been great in his own right. Instead, he chose to emulate the Dark Lord, gain power like the Dark Lord did and thought nothing of those who would be destroyed by it.

  • @matthewfarmer9500
    @matthewfarmer9500 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +216

    It’s all Gandalf’s fault. He’s jealous. He’s holding me back!

    • @superslayerguy
      @superslayerguy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      *throws staff*

    • @Blazedreptile
      @Blazedreptile 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Merks hobbit children

    • @Ronin3453
      @Ronin3453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      From my point of view the Istari are evil!

    • @user-je3sk8cj6g
      @user-je3sk8cj6g 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Saruman: I hate trees

    • @Al-ok1lj
      @Al-ok1lj หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Because of Obi errr Gandalf?

  • @9Johnny8
    @9Johnny8 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    Everybody: "We trust and admire Gandalf because he doesn't want power."
    Saruman: "I want that trust and admiration too. I need to gather as much power as possible so I can get it."

    • @zenncatt
      @zenncatt 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds like Trump.

    • @newfieldcharlotte324
      @newfieldcharlotte324 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@zenncatt oh shove it with Ur political bull. Get a life.

  • @agent_orange925
    @agent_orange925 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    Saruman maybe allied with sauron but he's not loyal with him. He also want to rule middle earth and would betray sauron if necessary

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@agent_orange925 and he does… only reason he make contact is because he covet’s knowledge to fashion his very own ring of power…

    • @shmeebs387
      @shmeebs387 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He thought he could beat Sauron at his own game of deception and manipulation. This was Saruman's hubris. He lacked Gandalf's humility to know his own limits and when he's outmatched.

  • @Holykraut
    @Holykraut 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Saruman overall was second rate in pretty much everything. Even his own human guards and Uruk Hai called him "old man", he thought they were calling him "wise one".

  • @THEDOORIZCLOSED
    @THEDOORIZCLOSED 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    I want a visual book of this lore with these kinds of pictures. Not a movie. Just the amazing pictures

    • @joyfulyes
      @joyfulyes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Same!

    • @perly0153
      @perly0153 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🎉

  • @ami7mina
    @ami7mina หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I wish there was a WHOLE tv series of this accurately as the book

    • @garypayne4284
      @garypayne4284 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes I support this, A 26 part TV show should cover all three books, so far the closest dramatisation we have is the BBC radio adaptation from 1981.

  • @jec1138yt
    @jec1138yt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    “How can you lead the white council and not be a white wizard? It’s not fair!”
    “Havo dad, Saruman.”

  • @Great_America
    @Great_America 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    One of the seven sins…. Sauron was envious, not jealous. They are different things. Envy is “the painful feeling of wanting what someone else has, like attributes or possessions. If you're jealous, you feel “threatened, protective, or fearful of losing one's position or situation to someone else. These two words are commonly misused.

    • @TheColdHarshTruth
      @TheColdHarshTruth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      True, but I’d add that jealousy also means you don’t want that other person to have what they have and that you’re not happy for them. You can still envy someone but still be happy for them.

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Great_America exactly… I said the same thing, also, there was nothing Gandalf could “take” from Saruman…

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheColdHarshTruth no… you’re confusing envy with Jealousy…

    • @TheColdHarshTruth
      @TheColdHarshTruth หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@00Tenrai00 - Read my post again, you’re confirming what I’m saying.

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheColdHarshTruth you need to look up the difference between jealousy and envy. It is okay.

  • @eomin
    @eomin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Meanwhile, the blue wizards in the East held the darkness of Morgoth and Sauron for thousands of years before likely falling under Sauron's temptations.

    • @badwolf3618
      @badwolf3618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I would think that if they had fallen under Sauron's control we would have heard more about them. They would certainly beem more powerful than the Nazgul. Sauron would absolutely have pulled them to the war in Gondor.

    • @chaosh7040
      @chaosh7040 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm pretty sure Morgoth was already imprisoned before the Istari were sent to Middle Earth.

    • @ThatGuyz82
      @ThatGuyz82 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@chaosh7040he did not say Morgoth. He said Morgoth's darkness and Sauron. Morgoth spread his darkness into the world to crear the evil in it. When he was gone. That darkness remained.

  • @earealcoates4394
    @earealcoates4394 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Galadrielle was always able to read people's minds, she saw right through Saruman.

  • @Makkaru112
    @Makkaru112 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras.
    See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west.
    Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands.
    So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed.
    Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth.
    And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat.
    Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard.
    -
    saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron. He wants the ring for himself. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman.
    Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.

    • @NicolasPetrali93
      @NicolasPetrali93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The numenoreans didn't give Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake).

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Makkaru112 didn’t he realise that they posses the one ring? And readily hindered their path? Saruman also knew that the one ring could only be truly commanded by Sauron. That’s he wanted to forge his own ring of Power.

    • @Makkaru112
      @Makkaru112 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@00Tenrai00actually Tolkien stated that Gandalf or Galadriel had the power and the skill and the spiritual fortitude to use it. Saruman could use it. It’s why he in the books wanted to go against Sauron with Gandalf. But in the movies it constantly reminded viewers of the rings mentally corrosive abilities to erode one’s mind if they didn’t have much spiritual fortitude build up and fit her honed and forged into true self mastery and deep understanding of various things. ❤

    • @Makkaru112
      @Makkaru112 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NicolasPetrali93it became a grave mistake for sure as he wasn’t “enemy” back then. But yeah. Thanks for the correction. Where shall I add your information to my main comment in a way that doesn’t interrupt its original flow? Please do assist. I don’t intend to be misleading. ❤

    • @Makkaru112
      @Makkaru112 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NicolasPetrali93I posted an edited version just now. Friendly force maybe but before (went “bad”) he staved off the enemy for a good 1000 years.

  • @CarlSanford76
    @CarlSanford76 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    If Sarumon asked Gandalf about the ring, Gandalf could have said it's "Nenya" business.

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Moral of the story, don't be an asshole. Chill out & do your own peace. Be cool baby.

    • @wolf2965
      @wolf2965 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Radagast tried that approach... turned away from assholes (aka "Peoples of Middle-Earth") and focused on flora and fauna instead.

  • @jordanelza8806
    @jordanelza8806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Cristopher Lee was an amazing man and actor. He played Saruman perfectly. Even though both of them ultimately deserved it because of all the evil they did, I still feel bad for how Sauron, Saruman and other Ainur (Valar and Maiar alike) ended up. Even though the Valar and Maiar can never truly perish, if they use up all their power they’ll no longer be able to interact with the world. In other words, they’re reduced to powerless, formless, invisible and untouchable ghosts that can do nothing but wonder until the end of time. This happened to a handful of Ainur, most notably Sauron and Saruman who were both Maiar and Morgoth (Melkor) who was a Valar and the first Dark Lord.

  • @BrianEthridge-wg6ko
    @BrianEthridge-wg6ko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Gandalf is my favorite character in all fiction of this type. He is the perfect example of what I would call a humble God and the greatest humanitarian anywhere. People with that kind of power are never modest that I've met. Well. I've never met people with that kind of power, but you know what I mean😊

    • @rosscobossco1229
      @rosscobossco1229 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He's more of a minor angel

    • @angelafahlenkamp9311
      @angelafahlenkamp9311 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Power should never be given to those who seek it, the corruption is inevitable because of the desire to achieve it lies in one's ability to put themselves above all others

  • @0u73rh34v3n
    @0u73rh34v3n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I love how everyone in Middle Earth has the same ring size

    • @alexischavez3238
      @alexischavez3238 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I kinda assumed the ring would change size to fit those who held it, like how it shrinks from saurons finger to (I'm sorry I forgot his name) fit the human who cut it off

    • @badwolf3618
      @badwolf3618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@alexischavez3238correct

    • @Ronin3453
      @Ronin3453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@alexischavez3238good catch.

  • @maybememory1
    @maybememory1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It always seems that the best leaders are those who don’t seek it out

    • @angelafahlenkamp9311
      @angelafahlenkamp9311 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Even the Pope is picked in such a way as to avoid any kind of favorable leanings

  • @mikesavatar3194
    @mikesavatar3194 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Jelousy is a symptom (as are all "the deadly sins"). A symptom of nonacknowledgement and nonalignment with the Eternal depth of being and cosmic laws...

  • @Coyote1.618
    @Coyote1.618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    That's what happens when you neglect in the workplace.

  • @AceMadrazo
    @AceMadrazo 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    His story should be a lesson on how people view the world when they aren't appreciated or given a chance

    • @BravoDox
      @BravoDox 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The sad thing is, Gandalf appreciated Saruman.

  • @FalconFastest123
    @FalconFastest123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    "Thou shalt not covet" is a commandment for a reason.

    • @Ronbonbon7
      @Ronbonbon7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You mean neighbor’s wife, not in general

    • @jimsibley1651
      @jimsibley1651 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ronbonbon7 Exodus 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Covetousness is proscribed across the board.

    • @jimsibley1651
      @jimsibley1651 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes indeed - along with its close cousins pride, greed, lust, etc., the great (and ubiquitous) roots of all evil

  • @Finraen
    @Finraen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Two points for clarification:
    1. Saruman likely did not know that’s Narya was in Gandalf’s possession. This was likely a secret kept by Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond.
    2. Saruman and Sauron had some history. They were both Maia in service to the Vala Aule. They were brethren from the dawn of time until Sauron turned aside and began following Morgoth. Sauron was Aule’s most powerful and talented Maia, and Saruman probably looked up to him and/or was jealous and aspired to be like him for millennia.

    • @sugiewithhisball
      @sugiewithhisball 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In which book can I read about this, please?

  • @imissnewspapers
    @imissnewspapers 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Where did you find this art work, they look fantastic.

    • @bumblebeecomentarista9273
      @bumblebeecomentarista9273 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These are images generated from an Artificial Intelligence program. Still, they are intriguing!

  • @Makkaru112
    @Makkaru112 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Update - Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras.
    See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west.
    Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands.
    So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed.
    Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth.
    And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat.
    Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard.
    [[Correction given to me recently:
    The Númenoreans didn't give
    Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave
    Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake). ]]
    -
    saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron and wanted Gandalf to simply help him subdue toe rings evil so they could use it to defeat Sauron together as a single duo-unit. He wants the ring for himself for what was still a noble reason. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman.
    Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.

  • @mankyraver
    @mankyraver 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    What beautiful illustrations 🤩👍

  • @shawneythemightyblackking9874
    @shawneythemightyblackking9874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He secretly smoked pipe weed but scorned Gandalf about it saying it clouded his judgement. Sauron was using him anyways to conquer the people of Rohan

  • @KauMwau
    @KauMwau 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We grant you a seat on the council but do not grant you the rank of wizard.

  • @jaredhartley
    @jaredhartley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He was probably still jealous of Sauron from their days as apprentices to Aulë the Smith

  • @brighteyes6585
    @brighteyes6585 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the art for this video, it's beautiful!

  • @E-LiteTNT
    @E-LiteTNT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It actually goes back farther than this.....sauroman and Sauron were both servants of Aule. They were servants of the smith of the valar. They worked together and were close when they were maiar.
    Gandalf was the servant of Manwe the king of the valar.
    Sauroman was always second to Sauron during their time under Aule and he was close with him. And on top of that Aule defied eru illuvetar by attempting to create life on his own. (The dwarves).

    • @DataLal
      @DataLal หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least Aule was repentent, when Eru Illuvatar found him out, and Aule was about to destroy the dwarves when Eru stayed his hand and gave the dwarves life.
      There's also a thru line from smithying to alchemy to science - the science that fostered the industrial revolution, the result of which Tolkien viewed as the great evil of the world. So, not surprising that the villains often come from Aule's camp.
      Melkor (Morgoth) was a more primordial type of evil from pure pride and arrogance and desire for power, and then revenge through the corruption of creation, since he was as incapable of creating real life as Aule, and equally incapable of real repentance. He was the original fallen spirit and the Great Satan of Middle Earth.
      Interesting that while good has less power through the progress of time in Middle Earth, so too does evil. Sauron can only come into his own when Melkor is finally dealt with, and Saruman can only do the same in a time when Sauron has been weakened (lost the one ring).

  • @Xanadu424
    @Xanadu424 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    God how I love middle earth lore

  • @fostersstubbyasmr9557
    @fostersstubbyasmr9557 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Saruman was more powerful than Gandalf in many ways but not in spirit and wisdom and this hurt him

    • @jasonandrus4977
      @jasonandrus4977 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No he's not. If you do some research into it you'll find that saruman begged to be sent with Gandolf and the others. He was not chosen to go because he was weaker. While Gandolf did hold him in high regard that's because he existed long before middle earth was populated. Hell, Gandolf, giladrial and saruman predate everything about middle earth. They are "celestial beings" for lack of a better term and not mortal men, their not even human. Ever wonder why Gandolf fights a balrog but didn't fight smaug? Because even smaug wasn't a great enough threat in the larger scene of things. But the balrog was a creature of pure darkness created in the long forgotten past to be a soldier in Melkar's war

  • @Jokerlevin
    @Jokerlevin 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Saruman didn't know Gandalf had Narya. No one except the owners knew where the elven rings were.

  • @nandas8665
    @nandas8665 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Didn’t knew about this! Thank you for sharing.

  • @louisbrown4620
    @louisbrown4620 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you were Saruman, you’d descend into darkness as well.
    -Jordan Peterson, probably.

    • @Goblin_deez.
      @Goblin_deez. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ‘Well it’s like, yeah sure, stay in your shire and get fat. Smoke your pipe weed, and pour over old maps but when the Orcs come running in (and they will) you’ll be in Mordor and that’s scary man. So go out there and bear your ring, it’s sure as hell better than who you are now.’
      - Also probably Jordan Peterson

    • @dumberband7361
      @dumberband7361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Goblin_deez.Why can I hear his voice saying this haha

    • @dumberband7361
      @dumberband7361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Goblin_deez.‘There’s a fell voice on the wind!’
      *Jordan Petersons cries echo around Caradhraz (or however u spell it)*

    • @00Tenrai00
      @00Tenrai00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No I won’t… Gandalf didn’t, he denounced the ring. So did Galadriel…

    • @Joseph-xg8ov
      @Joseph-xg8ov 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jordan: "Think Cain and Abel"

  • @FrshJurassicPrnceYA
    @FrshJurassicPrnceYA 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The artwork in this video is amazing! 👍🏾

  • @in_vino_veritas7938
    @in_vino_veritas7938 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And that greed and jealousy was part of his entire vibe, everyone sensed him being off

  • @xyo224
    @xyo224 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He also attempted to make his own rings of power because he calls himself ring maker, and it is conceivable, although not confirmed in any of the novels that he had a ring and worm tongue also had a ring and that’s why worm tongue was so easily manipulated by Saruman

  • @luislaracuente
    @luislaracuente หลายเดือนก่อน

    These paintings are spectacular!

  • @Punipunpi_panda
    @Punipunpi_panda 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It was because of his jealousy and greed that Gandalf was always chosen before him. They could see the darkness within

  • @zenologic7786
    @zenologic7786 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I had heard it was because Saruman always strived to make the most logical decisions. Hence why he had such incredible machines and weapons. The Wizards erre sent to help guide the other races in certain aspects. Saruman was logic and technology. He saw allying with Sauron as the most logical decision because he didn't think Sauron was going to lose

  • @Squad21ent
    @Squad21ent 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So he didn't become evil, he nurtured a seed of evil.

  • @wavenotion
    @wavenotion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always thought there was a healthy dose of despair at the power of sauron that made saruman turn in addition to the lust for power

  • @ashishthakur1170
    @ashishthakur1170 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nobody talks about Jealousy but it is one of the biggest causes of our suffering.

  • @lsporter88
    @lsporter88 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fascinating explanation. HIs downfall was a Negative Human Emotion. I believe that. Jealousy or more precisely Envy is one of the seven Deadly Sins for a good reason. Great video and thank you.

  • @colberthunter12
    @colberthunter12 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jealousy, he thought he was the Star pupil, but found out gandolf was the teachers pet, made him mad jealous and everyone favored gandolf over him.

  • @coreybentsen7794
    @coreybentsen7794 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Aule really had bad luck with his help lol

  • @AmandaZ-ft2ow
    @AmandaZ-ft2ow หลายเดือนก่อน

    Comments 463 w/mine 464
    With Deep Gratitude! ! !❤⚜️❤
    Blessed Be! ! !❤🙏❤

  • @KalyanMajumdar-nm3je
    @KalyanMajumdar-nm3je 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice explanation. Happy that there was no heartbreak involved.. well, not in the conventional way at least...

  • @CaptainCaliansAdventures
    @CaptainCaliansAdventures 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    11:27 Ye've just unlocked nostalgia to the highest. I absolutely loved this opening theme of Beatrix Potter's animated series. "Another Perfect Day". Thank ye!

  • @bryanr87
    @bryanr87 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like most people that turn, they become disillusioned and angry.

  • @ToPlease
    @ToPlease หลายเดือนก่อน

    Greed & jealousy is a Dangerous thing. 😓

  • @Assaut19283
    @Assaut19283 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gandalf's fear and reluctance to have power is why those around him were willing to trust him with it.

  • @srs1518
    @srs1518 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the best visualizations of Galadriel

  • @justinv6410
    @justinv6410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why did Saruman become evil ?
    To corner the kid’s birthday party racket in Middle Earth.

    • @badwolf3618
      @badwolf3618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah it was because he wanted all the weed and salted pork for himself

    • @justinv6410
      @justinv6410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@badwolf3618 He considered pork haram, so no.

  • @hughmacdonald3595
    @hughmacdonald3595 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    video titles with ALL-CAPS words drove him insane

  • @andrewcharlessison3350
    @andrewcharlessison3350 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jealousy become his downfall

  • @Parmenion-dy4tu
    @Parmenion-dy4tu 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Didn’t talk about the cute ring he made for himself, or his new flair robe

  • @igaragounis
    @igaragounis 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    He didn't really know that Gandalf had Narya! I'm not sure if all the other wizards came to Middle Earth at the same time, but I'm pretty sure that Gandalf came alone and last.

  • @joshnizzle
    @joshnizzle 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard!”

  • @andrewfoley1515
    @andrewfoley1515 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great narration

  • @tellurius4951
    @tellurius4951 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sauron looking at Saruman: well, Kurumo, looks like being Aule pupil and becoming a villain is a common thing

  • @ggbfree
    @ggbfree 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So Saruman was basically like a member of Slytherin, and was tired of getting screwed over.

  • @Leon-w5h
    @Leon-w5h 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The difference between Saruman and Gandalf was between pride and humility. The “I want more …” versus the “I’m not worthy …”. The surety of success, versus the “If I go, on your insistence, do I have the skill, the intelligence, the power to make a difference?”
    Maybe it was a pride versus wisdom thing. Cirdan could see this in Saruman and especially Gandalf. This would give Gandalf a “boost” of elven powers if he needed it. For years Gandalf would (play with) practice these powers until he really needed them in protection against the Balrog. The Valar took his barely living body and renewed it with the knowledge that Gandalf would not use that power “frivolously”, but only in times of great need.

  • @sheldonhatch8255
    @sheldonhatch8255 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This has THE MOST IMPRESSIVE artwork I've ever seen of Middle Earth Lore.

  • @unnaturalselection8330
    @unnaturalselection8330 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I heard it was all down to running out of both pipeweed and peanut butter at the EXACT same time.

  • @juanignacioarriagadawurth8527
    @juanignacioarriagadawurth8527 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro played count dooku twice and thought we wouldn’t notice it

  • @scp170190
    @scp170190 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Palantir definitely had a role in his downfall

  • @jay00721
    @jay00721 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That and also because his kid built a chocolate factory even after saying candy will rot his teeth.

  • @pascaleelliott63
    @pascaleelliott63 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Envy makes a person their own greatest enemy.

  • @BlaineLawrence-yl2fl
    @BlaineLawrence-yl2fl 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    His hardcore Metal Christmas album is one of the best of all time, also

  • @soulheartmind7950
    @soulheartmind7950 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was distracted by "ice and guard" cc 😂😂😂

  • @Makkaru112
    @Makkaru112 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gandalf (Olórin) actually was supposed to be the leader so obviously the Valar seen something in Curumò (Saruman). Curunir to the elves. ❤

  • @Aidencros
    @Aidencros 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Basically, he was passed over for a promotion. Understandable.

  • @8page
    @8page หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes yes, we all know how Satan planted the seed of doubt which we let flourish and contribute heavily to our fall from paradise.

  • @cyberghost4043
    @cyberghost4043 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Come Mr. Saruman, Saruman banana daylight come we wanna go home

  • @Rodri09mdp
    @Rodri09mdp 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also Saruman was instructed aside Sauron by the same valar. They have been friends, just like cousins, for centuries

  • @silverdragon7385
    @silverdragon7385 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something one needs to keep in mind, is that Saruman is a maia, an angel. He personally knows god, Saruman knows there's a plan for everything, even if he doesn't know it, and Saruman knows that one day this world will come to an end, and he'll still exist.
    When looked at that way, is it any wonder that Saruman wanted to prove his methods were the best? That when all the Ainur get together after the world has ended, the others will look at him and acknowledge he obviously was the wisest?

  • @mohammadbahari1204
    @mohammadbahari1204 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for this

  • @drewt1717
    @drewt1717 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Even Sauron wasn't foolish enough to piss off the Ents... Saruman did everything wrong.

  • @travisfreeman5861
    @travisfreeman5861 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is pure GOLD! Super Valid fan theory

  • @TheJpf79
    @TheJpf79 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He didn't "become evil" He was right from the start.

  • @jasonandrus4977
    @jasonandrus4977 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Because he was weak. Thats why he wasnt one of the ones actually chosen to go, he begged to be sent too.

  • @jonbigcawk
    @jonbigcawk 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    because the book needed a tertiary antagonist

  • @isaacmarwell5435
    @isaacmarwell5435 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The lore masters are bad news: Morgoth, Feanor, Saruman

  • @lilv3966
    @lilv3966 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Literally my work place