Nobody knew after why he had it. Many coincidental occasions, one effect. A pot of smoke, far from home. To serve the travellers in the end, as it would even if they stayed home. Not the beliefs create the ways. The ways unchange generations.
One of Jackson's unforgivable changes was removing The Scourging of The Shire which ended with Saruman's death. Imagine Revenge of The Sith without Anakin killing the count...
@@marbellaotaiza801 actually, rumors said it actually should have been the secretly dark lord Darth Jar Jar in that dual. Also Darth Jar Jar seems now also be semi canon due to the trailer of the Lego SW series "Rebuild the Galaxy" ^^
@@marbellaotaiza801The Scourging of The Shire of of added at least an extra hour of run time to the film, so they didn't add it because the third film is already a long film
Not only was he jealous that Gandalf was given the ring by Cirdan the Shipwright, but he was so jealous and admired Sauron so much that he made his own ring of power and named himself "Ring Maker."
The fact that Saruman might have forged himself a ring of power is super cool and never really talked about. Unfortunately Tolkien never mentions this ring aside from two sentences spoken By Gandalf and Saruman.
@ramondejesus65 Tolkien didn't talk much about this ring Saruman made because he failed at a making a magical ring. And even in his failure, Saruman tried making himself look good by naming himself Ring Maker.
@@sameehkins5957 Tolkien doesn't really talk about this ring because that's just how Tolkien writes, he likes to keep some things mysterious. But I'm curious, where do you get the idea that Saruman failed to create this ring?
Hmmm, I thought that was communicated by the fact that he sent his own guys who could march in the light, with the white hand on their helmets. Eomir says they aren't Sauron's guys, but Sarumon's. Maybe not strongly communicated, but I got the point. Eventually, that is😁
The thing is (and what the movie got wrong), was that Saruman was never Sauron's lackey. At best, he was simply in a more 'uneasy alliance' with Sauron, you could say. He was in it for himself and he wanted the ring for himself. HE wanted to be the Dark Lord, not serve him like the movies made it out to be. That is why he had the Uruk'hai bring the hobbits to Isengard and not give them over to Mordor.
@@Bandersnatch41 thank you guys. I'm so tired of Petesplainers worshipping everything the movies get wrong. Yes, Saruman betrayed both his order and the elves, and Sauron. But the movie shows him on the Palantir calling him "master" 🙄 spoiling the fact that there was a Palantir in Orthanc btw: that's not discovered until Pippin takes a look at it after Grima throws it from the uppermost window...
Also fun little tidbit in BFME 2 the goblin army attacks the shire in the evil campaign following the mouth of Sauron, then Isengard shows up and fights you for it and you have to fight them too.
@@chuckhoyle1211I dunno, I think sloth is pretty contrary to pride. How can you be proud of the fact you just laze about all day? Source: am lazy as fuck. Definitely not proud of it 😅
@@ShardDeVir not to mention war hero and nazi hunter/assassin, my favorite role of his remains Scaramanga which i suspect was closer to his real self, just a mad lad with a pistol
In my country we have a saying " The people in power have too much trust in their wisdom while the wise people who should have jad the power have too many second thoughts about it ". Gandalf was always afraid of the power he could wield because he feared himself and the hunger for power that could spark in him. He actually humbled himself in order to learn more and be prepared. Saruman always wanted to prove to others his greatness no matter the price. He became the leader of the White Council in hopes of wielding more power to his own means, feeding his ego.
well no gandalf was supposed to be the leader but he went and told his master er sorry i'm not ready for a promotion so he was awarded the title "the grey" and over time the four others went wayward radagast so enamoured with animals became an animal spirit for a time before heading back to aman to face the ire of his master valar, the true blue wizards are speculated upon, upon roving ever eastward, saruman was going the way of radagast except in the one way he was expressly forbade to, gandalf upon fighting the flame of udun/durin's bane got a one way ticket back to aman upon giving the report that saruman has gone and done the one thing they were not supposed to got his promotion and now did the one thing saruman was concerned gandalf would do ban him from the order, ban him from middle earth, ban him from ever seeing his property in aman again by his banishment from aman. Man saruman getting banned from all but existence.
@@Nefylym not amen, Aman the place just west over from numenor and as of the late second age separated from middle earth and is elven pre-heaven and home to the valar, the countless maia and ol' man iluvatar too.
I gotta say, Galadrial is kinda one of the underrated greats imo. She's primordial af and has the wisdom and power that goes with being around as long as she has, but she's also kind and sees the good in others.
Another factor to consider is is what Gandalf and Saruman did when they arrived at Middle Earth. While Saruman decided to stay put in Isengard and play hosts to high ranking groups like Kings and Queens, Gandalf took a more humbler role. He travelled and mingled with common folks - Humans, Elves, Dwarves and finally Hobbits. He came to know them and therefore, could see the good in them all the way to the end. That is where the famous qoute (from the Hobbits) - "Saruman believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folks that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love." Saruman could only see deceit, politics and cunningness of these races (through their leaders) which is why he was easily believe that they could fall and Sauron will rule over them.
@@00Tenrai00That is something that Tolkien wanted to keep ambiguous. Saruman says to the Witch King that if he had the Ring the nazgul would bow to him and kill him "master". In a letter Tolkien says that had Gandalf claimed the Ring he could contend with Sauron,he didn't specifically say that Gandalf would win,but he went on to say that if indeed Gandalf were able to win Sauron,he would be a much more terrible tyrant than him. In short, it's not clear and explicit,but Tolkien never excluded the possibility of Sauron being overthrown by Gandalf or Saruman,were they to claim the Ring
I feel like this video, in a way, perfectly explains what Gandalf meant when he came back as the white wizard when he says "Or more like, I'm Sauroman as he should have been". Gandalf never craved power, knowing the burdens that come with it. Gandalf also understood the ways, lives, and wills of men, elves, and hobbits (and was respected by all of them for it). Had Sauroman pursued knowledge and understanding the way Gandalf did, he wouldn't have had to be envious of Gandalf, because he would have been great in his own right. Instead, he chose to emulate the Dark Lord, gain power like the Dark Lord did and thought nothing of those who would be destroyed by it.
Everybody: "We trust and admire Gandalf because he doesn't want power." Saruman: "I want that trust and admiration too. I need to gather as much power as possible so I can get it."
He thought he could beat Sauron at his own game of deception and manipulation. This was Saruman's hubris. He lacked Gandalf's humility to know his own limits and when he's outmatched.
Saruman overall was second rate in pretty much everything. Even his own human guards and Uruk Hai called him "old man", he thought they were calling him "wise one".
One of the seven sins…. Sauron was envious, not jealous. They are different things. Envy is “the painful feeling of wanting what someone else has, like attributes or possessions. If you're jealous, you feel “threatened, protective, or fearful of losing one's position or situation to someone else. These two words are commonly misused.
True, but I’d add that jealousy also means you don’t want that other person to have what they have and that you’re not happy for them. You can still envy someone but still be happy for them.
Meanwhile, the blue wizards in the East held the darkness of Morgoth and Sauron for thousands of years before likely falling under Sauron's temptations.
I would think that if they had fallen under Sauron's control we would have heard more about them. They would certainly beem more powerful than the Nazgul. Sauron would absolutely have pulled them to the war in Gondor.
@@chaosh7040he did not say Morgoth. He said Morgoth's darkness and Sauron. Morgoth spread his darkness into the world to crear the evil in it. When he was gone. That darkness remained.
Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras. See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west. Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands. So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed. Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth. And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat. Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard. - saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron. He wants the ring for himself. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman. Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.
The numenoreans didn't give Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake).
@@Makkaru112 didn’t he realise that they posses the one ring? And readily hindered their path? Saruman also knew that the one ring could only be truly commanded by Sauron. That’s he wanted to forge his own ring of Power.
@@00Tenrai00actually Tolkien stated that Gandalf or Galadriel had the power and the skill and the spiritual fortitude to use it. Saruman could use it. It’s why he in the books wanted to go against Sauron with Gandalf. But in the movies it constantly reminded viewers of the rings mentally corrosive abilities to erode one’s mind if they didn’t have much spiritual fortitude build up and fit her honed and forged into true self mastery and deep understanding of various things. ❤
@@NicolasPetrali93it became a grave mistake for sure as he wasn’t “enemy” back then. But yeah. Thanks for the correction. Where shall I add your information to my main comment in a way that doesn’t interrupt its original flow? Please do assist. I don’t intend to be misleading. ❤
Cristopher Lee was an amazing man and actor. He played Saruman perfectly. Even though both of them ultimately deserved it because of all the evil they did, I still feel bad for how Sauron, Saruman and other Ainur (Valar and Maiar alike) ended up. Even though the Valar and Maiar can never truly perish, if they use up all their power they’ll no longer be able to interact with the world. In other words, they’re reduced to powerless, formless, invisible and untouchable ghosts that can do nothing but wonder until the end of time. This happened to a handful of Ainur, most notably Sauron and Saruman who were both Maiar and Morgoth (Melkor) who was a Valar and the first Dark Lord.
Gandalf is my favorite character in all fiction of this type. He is the perfect example of what I would call a humble God and the greatest humanitarian anywhere. People with that kind of power are never modest that I've met. Well. I've never met people with that kind of power, but you know what I mean😊
Power should never be given to those who seek it, the corruption is inevitable because of the desire to achieve it lies in one's ability to put themselves above all others
I kinda assumed the ring would change size to fit those who held it, like how it shrinks from saurons finger to (I'm sorry I forgot his name) fit the human who cut it off
Jelousy is a symptom (as are all "the deadly sins"). A symptom of nonacknowledgement and nonalignment with the Eternal depth of being and cosmic laws...
@@Ronbonbon7 Exodus 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Covetousness is proscribed across the board.
Two points for clarification: 1. Saruman likely did not know that’s Narya was in Gandalf’s possession. This was likely a secret kept by Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond. 2. Saruman and Sauron had some history. They were both Maia in service to the Vala Aule. They were brethren from the dawn of time until Sauron turned aside and began following Morgoth. Sauron was Aule’s most powerful and talented Maia, and Saruman probably looked up to him and/or was jealous and aspired to be like him for millennia.
Update - Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras. See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west. Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands. So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed. Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth. And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat. Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard. [[Correction given to me recently: The Númenoreans didn't give Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake). ]] - saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron and wanted Gandalf to simply help him subdue toe rings evil so they could use it to defeat Sauron together as a single duo-unit. He wants the ring for himself for what was still a noble reason. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman. Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.
It actually goes back farther than this.....sauroman and Sauron were both servants of Aule. They were servants of the smith of the valar. They worked together and were close when they were maiar. Gandalf was the servant of Manwe the king of the valar. Sauroman was always second to Sauron during their time under Aule and he was close with him. And on top of that Aule defied eru illuvetar by attempting to create life on his own. (The dwarves).
At least Aule was repentent, when Eru Illuvatar found him out, and Aule was about to destroy the dwarves when Eru stayed his hand and gave the dwarves life. There's also a thru line from smithying to alchemy to science - the science that fostered the industrial revolution, the result of which Tolkien viewed as the great evil of the world. So, not surprising that the villains often come from Aule's camp. Melkor (Morgoth) was a more primordial type of evil from pure pride and arrogance and desire for power, and then revenge through the corruption of creation, since he was as incapable of creating real life as Aule, and equally incapable of real repentance. He was the original fallen spirit and the Great Satan of Middle Earth. Interesting that while good has less power through the progress of time in Middle Earth, so too does evil. Sauron can only come into his own when Melkor is finally dealt with, and Saruman can only do the same in a time when Sauron has been weakened (lost the one ring).
No he's not. If you do some research into it you'll find that saruman begged to be sent with Gandolf and the others. He was not chosen to go because he was weaker. While Gandolf did hold him in high regard that's because he existed long before middle earth was populated. Hell, Gandolf, giladrial and saruman predate everything about middle earth. They are "celestial beings" for lack of a better term and not mortal men, their not even human. Ever wonder why Gandolf fights a balrog but didn't fight smaug? Because even smaug wasn't a great enough threat in the larger scene of things. But the balrog was a creature of pure darkness created in the long forgotten past to be a soldier in Melkar's war
‘Well it’s like, yeah sure, stay in your shire and get fat. Smoke your pipe weed, and pour over old maps but when the Orcs come running in (and they will) you’ll be in Mordor and that’s scary man. So go out there and bear your ring, it’s sure as hell better than who you are now.’ - Also probably Jordan Peterson
He also attempted to make his own rings of power because he calls himself ring maker, and it is conceivable, although not confirmed in any of the novels that he had a ring and worm tongue also had a ring and that’s why worm tongue was so easily manipulated by Saruman
I had heard it was because Saruman always strived to make the most logical decisions. Hence why he had such incredible machines and weapons. The Wizards erre sent to help guide the other races in certain aspects. Saruman was logic and technology. He saw allying with Sauron as the most logical decision because he didn't think Sauron was going to lose
Fascinating explanation. HIs downfall was a Negative Human Emotion. I believe that. Jealousy or more precisely Envy is one of the seven Deadly Sins for a good reason. Great video and thank you.
11:27 Ye've just unlocked nostalgia to the highest. I absolutely loved this opening theme of Beatrix Potter's animated series. "Another Perfect Day". Thank ye!
He didn't really know that Gandalf had Narya! I'm not sure if all the other wizards came to Middle Earth at the same time, but I'm pretty sure that Gandalf came alone and last.
The difference between Saruman and Gandalf was between pride and humility. The “I want more …” versus the “I’m not worthy …”. The surety of success, versus the “If I go, on your insistence, do I have the skill, the intelligence, the power to make a difference?” Maybe it was a pride versus wisdom thing. Cirdan could see this in Saruman and especially Gandalf. This would give Gandalf a “boost” of elven powers if he needed it. For years Gandalf would (play with) practice these powers until he really needed them in protection against the Balrog. The Valar took his barely living body and renewed it with the knowledge that Gandalf would not use that power “frivolously”, but only in times of great need.
Something one needs to keep in mind, is that Saruman is a maia, an angel. He personally knows god, Saruman knows there's a plan for everything, even if he doesn't know it, and Saruman knows that one day this world will come to an end, and he'll still exist. When looked at that way, is it any wonder that Saruman wanted to prove his methods were the best? That when all the Ainur get together after the world has ended, the others will look at him and acknowledge he obviously was the wisest?
Saruman: "The Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind."
Also Saruman: _Has a barrel of the stuff in his house._
Lmao😂😅😊U killed me🤣 I Wouldn't put it past Saruman doing that . He's too sketchy 😊
Maybe he use it occasionally, while Gandalf is addicted.
Like i can drink and still tell my friends they are drunk as fuck
😂😂😂😂😂
Nobody knew after why he had it. Many coincidental occasions, one effect. A pot of smoke, far from home. To serve the travellers in the end, as it would even if they stayed home. Not the beliefs create the ways. The ways unchange generations.
Who doesn’t love the halfling leaf?
Just like his cousin Count Dooku.
😂😂😂
One of Jackson's unforgivable changes was removing The Scourging of The Shire which ended with Saruman's death. Imagine Revenge of The Sith without Anakin killing the count...
@@marbellaotaiza801 absolutely. Just awful. But, Return of the King was so long as is. But, I do agree. Of all the things to cut?
@@marbellaotaiza801 actually, rumors said it actually should have been the secretly dark lord Darth Jar Jar in that dual. Also Darth Jar Jar seems now also be semi canon due to the trailer of the Lego SW series "Rebuild the Galaxy" ^^
@@marbellaotaiza801The Scourging of The Shire of of added at least an extra hour of run time to the film, so they didn't add it because the third film is already a long film
Not only was he jealous that Gandalf was given the ring by Cirdan the Shipwright, but he was so jealous and admired Sauron so much that he made his own ring of power and named himself "Ring Maker."
The fact that Saruman might have forged himself a ring of power is super cool and never really talked about. Unfortunately Tolkien never mentions this ring aside from two sentences spoken By Gandalf and Saruman.
@ramondejesus65 Yes, but Saruman referring to himself as "Ring Maker" is more than enough for me to jump up and down in excitement. 😂
@ramondejesus65 Tolkien didn't talk much about this ring Saruman made because he failed at a making a magical ring. And even in his failure, Saruman tried making himself look good by naming himself Ring Maker.
@@sameehkins5957 Tolkien doesn't really talk about this ring because that's just how Tolkien writes, he likes to keep some things mysterious. But I'm curious, where do you get the idea that Saruman failed to create this ring?
I don’t think he was jealous of Gandalf the Grey… he was just hungry for power.
One thing that neither the animated film or the live action trilogy do is show that he betrayed Sauron and the attack on Rohan was his own decision
Hmmm, I thought that was communicated by the fact that he sent his own guys who could march in the light, with the white hand on their helmets. Eomir says they aren't Sauron's guys, but Sarumon's. Maybe not strongly communicated, but I got the point. Eventually, that is😁
The thing is (and what the movie got wrong), was that Saruman was never Sauron's lackey. At best, he was simply in a more 'uneasy alliance' with Sauron, you could say. He was in it for himself and he wanted the ring for himself. HE wanted to be the Dark Lord, not serve him like the movies made it out to be. That is why he had the Uruk'hai bring the hobbits to Isengard and not give them over to Mordor.
@@guibox3 I recall that Nazgul and orcs were sent to spy on Saruman.
@@Bandersnatch41 thank you guys. I'm so tired of Petesplainers worshipping everything the movies get wrong. Yes, Saruman betrayed both his order and the elves, and Sauron. But the movie shows him on the Palantir calling him "master" 🙄 spoiling the fact that there was a Palantir in Orthanc btw: that's not discovered until Pippin takes a look at it after Grima throws it from the uppermost window...
Also fun little tidbit in BFME 2 the goblin army attacks the shire in the evil campaign following the mouth of Sauron, then Isengard shows up and fights you for it and you have to fight them too.
Jealousy is but the child of pride and greed
It all starts with pride. That is why pride is the cardinal sin. It makes all the others possible.
@@chuckhoyle1211I dunno, I think sloth is pretty contrary to pride. How can you be proud of the fact you just laze about all day?
Source: am lazy as fuck. Definitely not proud of it 😅
Unequal distribution of wealth, power and popularity has something to do with it too.
@@athenatanyimin4035 You are too proud to get off your butt and do stuff.
Saruman is thinking like allah
Rip Christopher lee
Im so off i didnt know he was dead..and i love lotr and star wars .. RIP
@@user-ys7eh9kx9p sorry for breaking it in to you 💔 it's just sad news, he was the most badass actor in the lotr cast. Considering background.
@@mohammadbahari1204 and also metal singer with 4 albums.
He may be dead, but he's probably going to play Dracula a couple more times anyway.
@@ShardDeVir not to mention war hero and nazi hunter/assassin, my favorite role of his remains Scaramanga which i suspect was closer to his real self, just a mad lad with a pistol
In my country we have a saying " The people in power have too much trust in their wisdom while the wise people who should have jad the power have too many second thoughts about it ".
Gandalf was always afraid of the power he could wield because he feared himself and the hunger for power that could spark in him. He actually humbled himself in order to learn more and be prepared. Saruman always wanted to prove to others his greatness no matter the price. He became the leader of the White Council in hopes of wielding more power to his own means, feeding his ego.
Yes we should elect people who take the responsibility seriously and don't focus on the perks of power
In my country, we just say "don't eat the yellow snow". Sometimes we still do, for that is the nature of forgotten wisdom.
well no gandalf was supposed to be the leader but he went and told his master er sorry i'm not ready for a promotion so he was awarded the title "the grey" and over time the four others went wayward radagast so enamoured with animals became an animal spirit for a time before heading back to aman to face the ire of his master valar, the true blue wizards are speculated upon, upon roving ever eastward, saruman was going the way of radagast except in the one way he was expressly forbade to, gandalf upon fighting the flame of udun/durin's bane got a one way ticket back to aman upon giving the report that saruman has gone and done the one thing they were not supposed to got his promotion and now did the one thing saruman was concerned gandalf would do ban him from the order, ban him from middle earth, ban him from ever seeing his property in aman again by his banishment from aman. Man saruman getting banned from all but existence.
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 aw man! amen?
@@Nefylym not amen, Aman the place just west over from numenor and as of the late second age separated from middle earth and is elven pre-heaven and home to the valar, the countless maia and ol' man iluvatar too.
That Galadriel pic is stunning.
All of them are out of this world
I actually tapped on this just so I could try to find the artist of that picture
@@lizard3755 who is it? There's nothing in the description.
Anybody knows?
I gotta say, Galadrial is kinda one of the underrated greats imo. She's primordial af and has the wisdom and power that goes with being around as long as she has, but she's also kind and sees the good in others.
What many fans don’t realise is that once Saruman made contact with Sauron, he could sense the merchandising opportunities
He saw how Osgiliath could be turned into the largest casino the Middle Earth has ever seen, along with other business opportunities.
Merchandising: where the REAL money from the war is made!
@@Ronin3453later bankrupting it and merchandising gold shoes and a “Bible”😂
Envy is the beginning of the fall of everyone. The Evil start trapping you once you develop this feeling in you.
Yes, envy is like an insidious poison in the veins of the soul.
It all starts with pride. Pride is the cardinal among the seven deadly sins. Pride makes the other sins possible.
Well, any of the 7 Sins LMAO
Envy is capitalism's fuel, without it, consumerism and industry would disappear.
Pride goeth before the fall.
Interesting, especially considering that, if my memory doesn't fail me, Gandalf held Saruman in really high regard.
Of course he did
I think saruman was stronger generally but the valar and elves saw gandalf's better spirit
Yes. Saruman was stronger, but Gandalf was wiser.
Gandalf was kinder more than wiser. He learnt pity and patience from Nienna, something Saruman lacked.
@@giennder then he should have got he is better but someelse got it that screws with your head its like no matter what you do you will not get it
Another factor to consider is is what Gandalf and Saruman did when they arrived at Middle Earth.
While Saruman decided to stay put in Isengard and play hosts to high ranking groups like Kings and Queens, Gandalf took a more humbler role. He travelled and mingled with common folks - Humans, Elves, Dwarves and finally Hobbits. He came to know them and therefore, could see the good in them all the way to the end.
That is where the famous qoute (from the Hobbits) - "Saruman believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folks that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."
Saruman could only see deceit, politics and cunningness of these races (through their leaders) which is why he was easily believe that they could fall and Sauron will rule over them.
Saruman originally did travel. He went throughout the East and back again.
@@thomassaxon8254I've often wondered, given that the two Blue Wizards traveled to the East as well, if Saruman killed them while he was out there.
Sooo, Saruman is the equivalent to Lucifer?
No, that would be Melkor/ Morgoth, the big bad in the First Age. Sauron was one of his minions. @@Lucas-q2l5e
@@jonesnori OH, I always forget about him... thank you so much!
This is why he bred his own type of Ork aka the Uruk hai and ordered them to take the ring and bring it back to Eisengard and NOT Mordor.
To be fair, it would be wise for Saruman to deliver the Ring to Sauron and not some random Orcs. Not that he would deliver it.
@@wasdwasd609saruman wanted the ring for himself. He didn't want to give it to sauron
I wonder what would he have accomplished? No? He couldn’t ever surpass Sauron
I think the Uruks were actually created before Saruman started producing them?
Afaik he just worked on them and perfected them? I may be wrong.
@@00Tenrai00That is something that Tolkien wanted to keep ambiguous. Saruman says to the Witch King that if he had the Ring the nazgul would bow to him and kill him "master". In a letter Tolkien says that had Gandalf claimed the Ring he could contend with Sauron,he didn't specifically say that Gandalf would win,but he went on to say that if indeed Gandalf were able to win Sauron,he would be a much more terrible tyrant than him.
In short, it's not clear and explicit,but Tolkien never excluded the possibility of Sauron being overthrown by Gandalf or Saruman,were they to claim the Ring
I feel like this video, in a way, perfectly explains what Gandalf meant when he came back as the white wizard when he says "Or more like, I'm Sauroman as he should have been".
Gandalf never craved power, knowing the burdens that come with it. Gandalf also understood the ways, lives, and wills of men, elves, and hobbits (and was respected by all of them for it). Had Sauroman pursued knowledge and understanding the way Gandalf did, he wouldn't have had to be envious of Gandalf, because he would have been great in his own right. Instead, he chose to emulate the Dark Lord, gain power like the Dark Lord did and thought nothing of those who would be destroyed by it.
It’s all Gandalf’s fault. He’s jealous. He’s holding me back!
*throws staff*
Merks hobbit children
From my point of view the Istari are evil!
Saruman: I hate trees
Because of Obi errr Gandalf?
Everybody: "We trust and admire Gandalf because he doesn't want power."
Saruman: "I want that trust and admiration too. I need to gather as much power as possible so I can get it."
Sounds like Trump.
@@zenncatt oh shove it with Ur political bull. Get a life.
Saruman maybe allied with sauron but he's not loyal with him. He also want to rule middle earth and would betray sauron if necessary
@@agent_orange925 and he does… only reason he make contact is because he covet’s knowledge to fashion his very own ring of power…
He thought he could beat Sauron at his own game of deception and manipulation. This was Saruman's hubris. He lacked Gandalf's humility to know his own limits and when he's outmatched.
Saruman overall was second rate in pretty much everything. Even his own human guards and Uruk Hai called him "old man", he thought they were calling him "wise one".
I want a visual book of this lore with these kinds of pictures. Not a movie. Just the amazing pictures
Same!
🎉
I wish there was a WHOLE tv series of this accurately as the book
Yes I support this, A 26 part TV show should cover all three books, so far the closest dramatisation we have is the BBC radio adaptation from 1981.
“How can you lead the white council and not be a white wizard? It’s not fair!”
“Havo dad, Saruman.”
One of the seven sins…. Sauron was envious, not jealous. They are different things. Envy is “the painful feeling of wanting what someone else has, like attributes or possessions. If you're jealous, you feel “threatened, protective, or fearful of losing one's position or situation to someone else. These two words are commonly misused.
True, but I’d add that jealousy also means you don’t want that other person to have what they have and that you’re not happy for them. You can still envy someone but still be happy for them.
@@Great_America exactly… I said the same thing, also, there was nothing Gandalf could “take” from Saruman…
@@TheColdHarshTruth no… you’re confusing envy with Jealousy…
@@00Tenrai00 - Read my post again, you’re confirming what I’m saying.
@@TheColdHarshTruth you need to look up the difference between jealousy and envy. It is okay.
Meanwhile, the blue wizards in the East held the darkness of Morgoth and Sauron for thousands of years before likely falling under Sauron's temptations.
I would think that if they had fallen under Sauron's control we would have heard more about them. They would certainly beem more powerful than the Nazgul. Sauron would absolutely have pulled them to the war in Gondor.
I'm pretty sure Morgoth was already imprisoned before the Istari were sent to Middle Earth.
@@chaosh7040he did not say Morgoth. He said Morgoth's darkness and Sauron. Morgoth spread his darkness into the world to crear the evil in it. When he was gone. That darkness remained.
Galadrielle was always able to read people's minds, she saw right through Saruman.
Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras.
See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west.
Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands.
So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed.
Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth.
And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat.
Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard.
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saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron. He wants the ring for himself. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman.
Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.
The numenoreans didn't give Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake).
@@Makkaru112 didn’t he realise that they posses the one ring? And readily hindered their path? Saruman also knew that the one ring could only be truly commanded by Sauron. That’s he wanted to forge his own ring of Power.
@@00Tenrai00actually Tolkien stated that Gandalf or Galadriel had the power and the skill and the spiritual fortitude to use it. Saruman could use it. It’s why he in the books wanted to go against Sauron with Gandalf. But in the movies it constantly reminded viewers of the rings mentally corrosive abilities to erode one’s mind if they didn’t have much spiritual fortitude build up and fit her honed and forged into true self mastery and deep understanding of various things. ❤
@@NicolasPetrali93it became a grave mistake for sure as he wasn’t “enemy” back then. But yeah. Thanks for the correction. Where shall I add your information to my main comment in a way that doesn’t interrupt its original flow? Please do assist. I don’t intend to be misleading. ❤
@@NicolasPetrali93I posted an edited version just now. Friendly force maybe but before (went “bad”) he staved off the enemy for a good 1000 years.
If Sarumon asked Gandalf about the ring, Gandalf could have said it's "Nenya" business.
Ba-dum tsss
Get out...
Moral of the story, don't be an asshole. Chill out & do your own peace. Be cool baby.
Radagast tried that approach... turned away from assholes (aka "Peoples of Middle-Earth") and focused on flora and fauna instead.
Cristopher Lee was an amazing man and actor. He played Saruman perfectly. Even though both of them ultimately deserved it because of all the evil they did, I still feel bad for how Sauron, Saruman and other Ainur (Valar and Maiar alike) ended up. Even though the Valar and Maiar can never truly perish, if they use up all their power they’ll no longer be able to interact with the world. In other words, they’re reduced to powerless, formless, invisible and untouchable ghosts that can do nothing but wonder until the end of time. This happened to a handful of Ainur, most notably Sauron and Saruman who were both Maiar and Morgoth (Melkor) who was a Valar and the first Dark Lord.
Gandalf is my favorite character in all fiction of this type. He is the perfect example of what I would call a humble God and the greatest humanitarian anywhere. People with that kind of power are never modest that I've met. Well. I've never met people with that kind of power, but you know what I mean😊
He's more of a minor angel
Power should never be given to those who seek it, the corruption is inevitable because of the desire to achieve it lies in one's ability to put themselves above all others
I love how everyone in Middle Earth has the same ring size
I kinda assumed the ring would change size to fit those who held it, like how it shrinks from saurons finger to (I'm sorry I forgot his name) fit the human who cut it off
@@alexischavez3238correct
@@alexischavez3238good catch.
It always seems that the best leaders are those who don’t seek it out
Even the Pope is picked in such a way as to avoid any kind of favorable leanings
Jelousy is a symptom (as are all "the deadly sins"). A symptom of nonacknowledgement and nonalignment with the Eternal depth of being and cosmic laws...
That's what happens when you neglect in the workplace.
His story should be a lesson on how people view the world when they aren't appreciated or given a chance
The sad thing is, Gandalf appreciated Saruman.
"Thou shalt not covet" is a commandment for a reason.
You mean neighbor’s wife, not in general
@@Ronbonbon7 Exodus 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Covetousness is proscribed across the board.
yes indeed - along with its close cousins pride, greed, lust, etc., the great (and ubiquitous) roots of all evil
Two points for clarification:
1. Saruman likely did not know that’s Narya was in Gandalf’s possession. This was likely a secret kept by Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond.
2. Saruman and Sauron had some history. They were both Maia in service to the Vala Aule. They were brethren from the dawn of time until Sauron turned aside and began following Morgoth. Sauron was Aule’s most powerful and talented Maia, and Saruman probably looked up to him and/or was jealous and aspired to be like him for millennia.
In which book can I read about this, please?
Where did you find this art work, they look fantastic.
These are images generated from an Artificial Intelligence program. Still, they are intriguing!
Update - Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras.
See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west.
Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands.
So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed.
Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth.
And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat.
Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard.
[[Correction given to me recently:
The Númenoreans didn't give
Isengard to Saruman, after Helm Hammerhand died, Saruman returned from his journeys in the far east, and sort of "occupied it by friendly force", Fréaláf (the new King of Rohan) told Saruman to contact Beren (Gondor's Steward), which gladly gave
Orthanc's key to the wizard (grave mistake). ]]
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saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron and wanted Gandalf to simply help him subdue toe rings evil so they could use it to defeat Sauron together as a single duo-unit. He wants the ring for himself for what was still a noble reason. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman.
Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.
What beautiful illustrations 🤩👍
I concur
He secretly smoked pipe weed but scorned Gandalf about it saying it clouded his judgement. Sauron was using him anyways to conquer the people of Rohan
We grant you a seat on the council but do not grant you the rank of wizard.
He was probably still jealous of Sauron from their days as apprentices to Aulë the Smith
I love the art for this video, it's beautiful!
It actually goes back farther than this.....sauroman and Sauron were both servants of Aule. They were servants of the smith of the valar. They worked together and were close when they were maiar.
Gandalf was the servant of Manwe the king of the valar.
Sauroman was always second to Sauron during their time under Aule and he was close with him. And on top of that Aule defied eru illuvetar by attempting to create life on his own. (The dwarves).
At least Aule was repentent, when Eru Illuvatar found him out, and Aule was about to destroy the dwarves when Eru stayed his hand and gave the dwarves life.
There's also a thru line from smithying to alchemy to science - the science that fostered the industrial revolution, the result of which Tolkien viewed as the great evil of the world. So, not surprising that the villains often come from Aule's camp.
Melkor (Morgoth) was a more primordial type of evil from pure pride and arrogance and desire for power, and then revenge through the corruption of creation, since he was as incapable of creating real life as Aule, and equally incapable of real repentance. He was the original fallen spirit and the Great Satan of Middle Earth.
Interesting that while good has less power through the progress of time in Middle Earth, so too does evil. Sauron can only come into his own when Melkor is finally dealt with, and Saruman can only do the same in a time when Sauron has been weakened (lost the one ring).
God how I love middle earth lore
Saruman was more powerful than Gandalf in many ways but not in spirit and wisdom and this hurt him
No he's not. If you do some research into it you'll find that saruman begged to be sent with Gandolf and the others. He was not chosen to go because he was weaker. While Gandolf did hold him in high regard that's because he existed long before middle earth was populated. Hell, Gandolf, giladrial and saruman predate everything about middle earth. They are "celestial beings" for lack of a better term and not mortal men, their not even human. Ever wonder why Gandolf fights a balrog but didn't fight smaug? Because even smaug wasn't a great enough threat in the larger scene of things. But the balrog was a creature of pure darkness created in the long forgotten past to be a soldier in Melkar's war
Saruman didn't know Gandalf had Narya. No one except the owners knew where the elven rings were.
Didn’t knew about this! Thank you for sharing.
If you were Saruman, you’d descend into darkness as well.
-Jordan Peterson, probably.
‘Well it’s like, yeah sure, stay in your shire and get fat. Smoke your pipe weed, and pour over old maps but when the Orcs come running in (and they will) you’ll be in Mordor and that’s scary man. So go out there and bear your ring, it’s sure as hell better than who you are now.’
- Also probably Jordan Peterson
@@Goblin_deez.Why can I hear his voice saying this haha
@@Goblin_deez.‘There’s a fell voice on the wind!’
*Jordan Petersons cries echo around Caradhraz (or however u spell it)*
No I won’t… Gandalf didn’t, he denounced the ring. So did Galadriel…
Jordan: "Think Cain and Abel"
The artwork in this video is amazing! 👍🏾
And that greed and jealousy was part of his entire vibe, everyone sensed him being off
He also attempted to make his own rings of power because he calls himself ring maker, and it is conceivable, although not confirmed in any of the novels that he had a ring and worm tongue also had a ring and that’s why worm tongue was so easily manipulated by Saruman
These paintings are spectacular!
It was because of his jealousy and greed that Gandalf was always chosen before him. They could see the darkness within
I had heard it was because Saruman always strived to make the most logical decisions. Hence why he had such incredible machines and weapons. The Wizards erre sent to help guide the other races in certain aspects. Saruman was logic and technology. He saw allying with Sauron as the most logical decision because he didn't think Sauron was going to lose
So he didn't become evil, he nurtured a seed of evil.
I always thought there was a healthy dose of despair at the power of sauron that made saruman turn in addition to the lust for power
Nobody talks about Jealousy but it is one of the biggest causes of our suffering.
Fascinating explanation. HIs downfall was a Negative Human Emotion. I believe that. Jealousy or more precisely Envy is one of the seven Deadly Sins for a good reason. Great video and thank you.
Jealousy, he thought he was the Star pupil, but found out gandolf was the teachers pet, made him mad jealous and everyone favored gandolf over him.
Aule really had bad luck with his help lol
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Nice explanation. Happy that there was no heartbreak involved.. well, not in the conventional way at least...
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Like most people that turn, they become disillusioned and angry.
Greed & jealousy is a Dangerous thing. 😓
Gandalf's fear and reluctance to have power is why those around him were willing to trust him with it.
One of the best visualizations of Galadriel
Why did Saruman become evil ?
To corner the kid’s birthday party racket in Middle Earth.
Nah it was because he wanted all the weed and salted pork for himself
@@badwolf3618 He considered pork haram, so no.
video titles with ALL-CAPS words drove him insane
Jealousy become his downfall
Didn’t talk about the cute ring he made for himself, or his new flair robe
He didn't really know that Gandalf had Narya! I'm not sure if all the other wizards came to Middle Earth at the same time, but I'm pretty sure that Gandalf came alone and last.
“They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard!”
Great narration
Sauron looking at Saruman: well, Kurumo, looks like being Aule pupil and becoming a villain is a common thing
So Saruman was basically like a member of Slytherin, and was tired of getting screwed over.
The difference between Saruman and Gandalf was between pride and humility. The “I want more …” versus the “I’m not worthy …”. The surety of success, versus the “If I go, on your insistence, do I have the skill, the intelligence, the power to make a difference?”
Maybe it was a pride versus wisdom thing. Cirdan could see this in Saruman and especially Gandalf. This would give Gandalf a “boost” of elven powers if he needed it. For years Gandalf would (play with) practice these powers until he really needed them in protection against the Balrog. The Valar took his barely living body and renewed it with the knowledge that Gandalf would not use that power “frivolously”, but only in times of great need.
This has THE MOST IMPRESSIVE artwork I've ever seen of Middle Earth Lore.
I heard it was all down to running out of both pipeweed and peanut butter at the EXACT same time.
Bro played count dooku twice and thought we wouldn’t notice it
The Palantir definitely had a role in his downfall
That and also because his kid built a chocolate factory even after saying candy will rot his teeth.
Envy makes a person their own greatest enemy.
His hardcore Metal Christmas album is one of the best of all time, also
I was distracted by "ice and guard" cc 😂😂😂
Gandalf (Olórin) actually was supposed to be the leader so obviously the Valar seen something in Curumò (Saruman). Curunir to the elves. ❤
Basically, he was passed over for a promotion. Understandable.
Yes yes, we all know how Satan planted the seed of doubt which we let flourish and contribute heavily to our fall from paradise.
Come Mr. Saruman, Saruman banana daylight come we wanna go home
Also Saruman was instructed aside Sauron by the same valar. They have been friends, just like cousins, for centuries
Something one needs to keep in mind, is that Saruman is a maia, an angel. He personally knows god, Saruman knows there's a plan for everything, even if he doesn't know it, and Saruman knows that one day this world will come to an end, and he'll still exist.
When looked at that way, is it any wonder that Saruman wanted to prove his methods were the best? That when all the Ainur get together after the world has ended, the others will look at him and acknowledge he obviously was the wisest?
Thanks for this
Even Sauron wasn't foolish enough to piss off the Ents... Saruman did everything wrong.
this is pure GOLD! Super Valid fan theory
He didn't "become evil" He was right from the start.
Because he was weak. Thats why he wasnt one of the ones actually chosen to go, he begged to be sent too.
because the book needed a tertiary antagonist
The lore masters are bad news: Morgoth, Feanor, Saruman
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