Don't Lean Back On Knees - Yodkhunpon The Elbow Hunter
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Context matters. The lean back (and pull) is for a supported knee strike where I am holding onto the other person in a clinch and pulling them into the knee strike.
He is showing the proper way to knee strike from punching or trapping range, just outside of clinch range, without a neck tie up/control. The chin down and hip swivel can still be applied in either range/supported or unsupported.
Thank you for the videos and your work to document these fighters and training methods!!!
I think thats implied in the video because they're at striking range most of the vid
Thanks for the info good tip
So in karate the swivel hip knee is more appropriate because you are not allowed to clinch. Most, but not all, karateka also practice the rocking chair knee. I will try and practice both.
No, the "lean back" Muay Thai knee that this is contrasted to is not an engaged knee. It's a longer knee often used by more femeu fighters. The lean back gives more length to the knee, but doesn't put you in position to keep striking, and Yodkhunpon has said opens you to counter strikes.
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In my old muay thai book from the 90's they called that a knee kick
which book is that?
what book nigga
which book is it chris????
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Advanced Muay Thai Kickboxing techniques by Christopher Delph
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My technique is slowly but certainly improving thanks to your video content. Thanks so much for sharing... you're an inspiration.
I love this series with the former 80's and 90's greats. Thanks Sylvie! I learned something similar in terms of not leaning back years ago in Thailand. A feature of these type of techniques thrown where you retain shape and stance more readily is that they emphasise balance and so can score better.
just found your channel yesterday and found it very helpful. Thanks keep it up!
Thanks so much for these clips Sylvie, they are so informative :)
Your channel is fantastic.
This channel is gold!
The way you break down the movements is great.
Thanks 👍
thanks for the video, also the commentary is superb and extremely helpful, certainly will be practicing this style of knee from now on
This channel is Mauy Thai gold mine. Keep up the good work.
Very useful training advice. Thank you.
I have muay thai coach but I learn so much from this channel. Thanks
The rocking chair knee and this one are a great addition to your arsenal, thanks Sylvie!
Great fight! Was awesome to watch, keep at it. Its clear you have a love for being in the ring.
I'm yet to have even my first fight yet but god i hope im as composed as you were.
Keept it up!
thanks Sylvie! your videos are inspirational to me :)
One of the best Channels on youtube, surprising there are not more subscribers, I am putting my mates at martial arts onto it so they can enjoy and learn also. Thanks Sylvie :)
ive seen my trainer do this on the bag... now it all makes sense
These videos are so awesome!
Always enjoyable and informative thanks
@sylvie good point. Excellent video
So ive been doin knees wrong for 10 years. Awesome 😂 thanks for all the good content!
Great demonstration
I like this way better than the lean back. I have been shown the lean back knee (not a muay thai stylist). But even though I practiced it. I never felt it was appropriate because it felt too loaded. Now I'll be throwing knees where its allowed. Thank you for the masterful tips.
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Awesome content!
Great video!
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i always do leanback when knee..now i need to. do this....i. understand now..thank u for this tips..
This is awesome and actually feels really comfortable and I can generate a lot of torque into them
Awesome Thai trainer. It takes year's to master it.
You can tell you also really know what you're talking about, thank you so much for bringing these videos back from the homeland!
It’s not your homeland you simp
Stronger balance points... makes sense how he'd find the range for his elbow as you lean back. Thank you again!
As for the knees themselves? In a word? Ouch.
Right on. I like it. 🎉🎉🎉go Sylvie. thank you
Wow this is so legit. This is revolutionary, it's obvious now.. That leaning back also puts you out into punching range a opposed to keeping your head inside someone guard passed the range of someone's power.
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Amazing vid
So This is Muay Khao. Cool I've been training Fumur and Mat mostly this makes perfect sense for a Khao fighter.
Aaah.. I will try tomorrow thnx
Good teacher
Rad videos. Appreciated
Thank you Sylvie. I have been look for Yodkhunpon's video on the youtube. But i only see a bloodthirsty dude trying to kill his opponent. He's awesome but quite aggressive.
This whole video seems like something I should have known but absolutely didn't. It seems intuitive on hearing it.
Yeah I learned knees the leaning back way also. That way looks very good. Dieselnoi doesn't lean back either and does those knees to the leg. Really nice.
Good One 🥳 what about the front leg's knee? Could he give us his tips in another video? 🙏 Thx
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Good thing that turning the knee in is one of the variations that I learned and I think sticking to this technique is safe
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I don't train muay thai but I want to! The movements are so beautiful
This is gold
that makes sense!
Awesome thank u so much for that. It actually feels more balance when i do it that way rather than the leaning back.
Yeah you're right on that point if exactly and you always got to be thinking about posture and stance like you're thinking about because if you balance is the key to martial arts anytime you get a tennis shot or a golf shot or you know you're in martial arts and and you have poor balance you're selling yourself up for a judo throw or a maybe a keto throw or you could be seriously or with an elbow or knee people going to close the gap on you quickly when they see it in a poor defensive position out of balance I will quickly close the gap and then take
I like that new perspe
wowww such a unique techniques smh majority of the thailand muay thai fighters dont knee that way 😆 verry impressive i shall be doing that for now on thank you so much👍👏
Yes, this is very good. It's very easy to just push someone over (and it's really bad for the back if this happens), when they lean back into the knee. We used to do it all the time. It's also much easier to see it coming.
Right he's maybe he's getting some sway from the hips but the way you're doing it is excellent technique if you're inside but he is moving from the outside to inside seat so what you're learning now is you're moving from the outside to the inside to attack quickly so that is a hop or it's like hop keto he's coming in on you now so you utilizing movement mobility and it's showing you how to use your hips to get generate power
So basically you want to throw your hip into the knee rotationally instead of leaning directly into it?
Sylvie, can you please tell us how to treat and make stronger our knees?
I have always done them by leaning my body back a bit as well (other then if I have established a good Clinch) I don't think I could do it the way he is saying without some considerable time practicing it.
Awesome! :)
I lean back when I throw long knees...works on boxers just fine but I feel ya Sylvie come offline for straight knees👍
This proves there are many ways to execute a technique. I’m not too fond of this particular style because the body mechanics aren’t as efficient. I think there is an In between technique where you still turn your shoulder and hip together but don’t lean backwards.
Well that's effective technique you know because he's getting all in there and angular momentum especially when you're stepping through that punch your kick you know that near elbow that momentum is going to put a lot of power you know it's like we went through the striking when you step in to the opponent step and punch you know if you either a left or right of a stance Ford stance you're going to get a lot of extra power for that
hi if your leg comes from the side, it mean s that there is space between the leg for the opponent isn t it?
Yeah Zack that's good technique you just bring the knee up just like you're going to throw a kick you can do this with the front or the rear leg just like
That's good thing this guy has Passover his whole body because we're going to hit every single pressure point and vital point also if we start getting into pressure points and acupressure points and vital points you know these are what ends fights really quickly but that's either going to kill the guy or it's going to be a KO situation but if your standard street fight if you're not trying to damage the guy permanently then we're just going to get to you know like a general area like a Target like a midsection up under the jaw for that elbow elbows coming up under the jar always real nice neutralizers
Hi. Can I forward it?
nice, i was really looking for a detailed video of how to throw a damn knee for some cardio and this video is a treasure. now i know not to do the leaning thing if i do decide to use it.
Shuyu this isnt really gospel tho, this is just another fighters philosophy on how to use techniques that are largely shaped by his experiences and his strengths,
Ok, that will give me a discussion with my "I was once in Thailand"-Coach :-D
I'm a basic amateur i love your videos, but i just wonder is this not more about preference and individual style?
Like you can see in many fights the lean back works amazingly for many different reasons, then for this guy his reasons are different so he prefers this method, rather than "This is the way you SHOULD do it" is it not more "This is a way you COULD do it" and each forms their own style?
Well whatever it is it looks like you're pretty effective with that knee I would be moving backwards too trying to avoid
Interesting that is the same knee methods I was taught many years ago while learning southern praying mantis & white crane kung fu. My sifu always told us to stay upright & shoot the knee in & across.
Hey Sylvie, don't know if you reply to comments but if you do - Did you adopt this style to your knees or did you stick with the traditionally taught lean back knee?
so who is right? him or Dieselnoi?
Make sure you keep your hands up you know your face ready for some type of you know strike from the hand or in a foot while this is going on but you're using elbow's knees and close quarters but notice how you went from from far away to close because you close the gap with your footwork you cut your hop in that closes the Gap quickly and now you're using elbows and knees inside and then you can hop back outside whereas now you're into kicking range and then you can hop back in and then you're into hand and striking range so we're going to constantly be moving from three different ranges because closing the Gap is what makes a fighter the best in the world is ability to utilize footwork and close the gap and then be able to get from the offensive defensive position quickly so this takes a lot of work we're going to get into footwork mobility moving around the ring after we've utilized every different type of strike there is and hands feet and elbows and then we'll go deeply into defense because you're only as good as your defense you're off at his worthless if you don't have a strong solid defense if you can defend yourself then you it's easy for you to go on to offense
you mention stepping out that way you can rotate your hips for the knee but you don't step out you're still thrusting
I always felt this way was superior but... Years of training y leaning back has made it so unnatural to switch now.
Same here. I naturally felt more comfortable and powerful doing it this way. But every coach and trainer partner insisted on the other way. I left like a natural left handed writer who was forced to write right handed in grade school (because it was more common).
I agree 1,000%. Leaning back always put a lot of pressure on my lower back and my hips, it eventually caused me to tear my labrum because I'd force my hips so far forward it just wasn't good for me. I naturally have a more anterior tilt in my pevlis so thrusting my hips forward is the opposite of what my hips want to do. Techniques are so heavily based on the mechanics of the individual, it's good to experiment!
you are leaning to get more range it's understandable from a long knee surprise attack standpoint, I mean don't change your ways, treat it as a different tactic to add into your personal arsenal of tactics, the Yodkhunpon method takes leaning away and instead use better stepping in footwork to for the knee and chain the elbow, it works for his holistic tactics in and out but might not be something you'd always fancy and natural at, so what I would say is do it as a closing in knee for clinching purpose and use your old leaned-back kneeing for something else, maybe it's for locking your opponent up in a clinch position, but do try adding instead of replacing, everything has its use
Yea, I'm taking Muay Thai rn and they're teaching me to thrust my hip forward and instead of comminh at a semi circle. My body naturally wanted to do the semi but that's not how they're teaching. I've also realized that they're halfway teaching, and not explaining certain mechanics. This week is Kick week, and the way they're explaining kicks allmost doesn't make sense, they want us to got against what feels natural
Muhahah another tool to add to the box. Could someone direct me to where this gym is in Thailand? I will be back in April. I want to train at a good Muay khao gym. Thanks for any help.
Petchrungruang Gym in Pattaya
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Yeah just moving that knee upward you know driving it up act like you're throwing a kick but you're just going to use the name and it's the same thing but you can hop in like hot keto and then you know grab the guy behind the neck and then drive your knee into his midsection real quick and then then move out again back into a defensive position and move out of his range so that now you can go back and do it effective position from the offensive strike
This totally depends on tactics. his way you evade punches with an angle and blocking and pushing. the other way you use range but you can adjust and still block punches. I would mix the two and keep them guessing. If you have an opponent who likes to sweep then his way i s better then also but if you have a shorter oponnent then leaning back could be better.
Its simply Muay Khao style
no one cares what you would do... REKT
I whas thought , to wrap arm around Chin when knee like dracula stand
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Seems as if this technique requires you to position your lead foot Outside the your opponent foot a little to get the full power from the hip rotation.
the dude is elbow guy of curse he want to stay close
All striking has a place in training and fights. No right and wrong, it's about situations.
Muay thai is a science!
What about doing both and not sticking only with one style of knee? I mean you don't want your enemy to read you right?
Is this technique Deiselnoi approved?
Legit. I throw these knees off of the hard check (aka axe knee/shin destruction) all day.
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Like it yeah and you just you're bringing that up into his midsection there like you're doing very effective the way you're moving in really quickly and then going up with that knee you're really making this guy back up quick cuz he doesn't want to take one of your knees shots into his midsection which is your center of balance that's his center of everything so it's
I found out the other day he is my teacher's teacher
basically, there is more than one way to throw knee shots. like bruce lee said, become like water.
And if know how to do some tkd then the hips switches aren’t new
So it's an angler attacker sent he's not driving it up like into the center a midsection he's coming in at 45° angle on you