Is Battlefield 2042 Crossplay BAD for Console Players? (Top 1% PC & Console Player Perspectives)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
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00:00 Stuff you need to know
02:29 My perspective
08:53 Quagsie's Perspective (top 1% controller player)
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*You can tell hes never played battlefield on console, on controller, on a 60 hz tv against PC players* 😂
I've never struggled as much as I do in 2042 before. I'm on ps5 and it's brutal sometimes. When I watch TH-camrs play on TH-cam they have 0 recoil. When I played bf5 I would go 25-5 constantly. I'm 50-50 at best on 2042.
Same here brother
Facts
Yeah, I’m a veteran of the series and for every game I’ve ever played I’m usually in top 10 at least, now I’m lucky to be in the top 60% and 8/10 encounters with PC players I end up losing
Right there with you guys, on ps5.
Watching his vids, do any of you get these rapid kills that he does? I swear I have atleast 7-10 rounds with Ars to get a kill. His seems to insta death everyone!!!
You're watching high level players with excellent recoil control. Us normy PC players also watch in astonishment.
What I found interesting is I have ps4 version and ps5 version of battlefield. The 4 I can place top 5 each game. The ps5 version I get smoked. Middle of the pack. Ps5 version filled with PC players. Just thought I would add this thought.
100% fact. Shouldn’t be mixed with PC imo.
Same here. I also noticed lately that all of the top players are on pc.
Same here. All the top players of the rounds are PC. My KD dropped below 1 the first time since BF bad company 2
Same. On XB1 I’m always top of the team, good k/d. When I get on Series S, i barely break 10 kills and get just as many deaths if not more. I will literally get the drop on someone, empty a mag into their back and they’ll still turn around and kill me. PC players dominate the air too.
I have much more fun playing on XB1 it just sucks because it crashes all the time
@@MadESG The Xbox One version of the game seems to have input lag because on the Series S version, it's more responsive.
Crossplay is a double edged sword. I'm happy it helps keep the game alive, but as a console player, I'd say I am forced to play far more competitively on average than in previous titles. In Battlefield 3, 4, 1, and 5 I felt I was playing a much easier game. I think console players are far more casual, because most of us are just in our living rooms laid back on the couch. I'm not pressed up against a monitor, so I I'm not quite *as* locked in as the typical PC player. Nowadays the only way I can replicate my former feeling is in 16v16 game modes where there is just straight up less competition. Easier to find 1v1s, less vehicles, less McKay and I magically end up on top of the scoreboard again.
My personal POV is that PC players have a definitive edge, and that can make the game less fun for me. However, when I do pop off, I definitely do get that high knowing that I am dunking on people who have almost every advantage over me.
Any time im playing 128 and Manifest pops up I leave the match. I don't wanna play against 90 McKay's. I'm with you thought I play a lot of Rush and I know it. Some days I play bigger game modes and do well sometimes I fail but I will agree I felt like I was a better player on BF3/4
This! 100% my thoughts. Author is judging from the top players perspective but there is the reason why most people are not able to and actually do not want to play at high skill levels. BF just left the chill play bench, CoD and Halo feel more rewarding and there’s SBMM
I played this game on the ps4 where it only allows me to play with ps and xbox players only. My KD was 2.75 at the time. Finally i get the ps5 version where i can play with pc players and man what a difference it is. My KD is now at a 1.17 and dropping. Almost every time i get killed is usually a pc player. So that proves to me pc players have an edge here when going up against console players.
I think in general that shooters are not a good genre for crossplay. If you mix different platforms you always have to make compromises be it in terms of gameplay, performance, etc. Personally, I have therefore never been a fan of it when they announced that it will come to Battlefield. There are other genres where crossplay makes more sense.
Without crossplay Battlefield would likely be more dead than it already is, but I understand your point.
To be fair, my opinion is that the issues with crossplay are more symptomatic of the overall lazy design of 2042 as a whole, not conscious design decisions…
For example, they could have implemented an input-based crossplay, which exists in other games in the genre. They could have supported kbm on consoles, which also exists in other games in the genre. I don’t think that DICE hates consoles and loves PC, I just feel like it is indicative of the same half-assed development that left out a scoreboard on launch, or VOIP, or a server browser.
@Enders No is not if everyone turn off cross play all consoles players play way better whit console player . one time I lot of people have it off at the beginning was much better
@@EndersFPS I respect your opinion man but I have both PS5 and PS4 version and it's a way better experience on PS4 vs Xbox, playing against PC is awful lol it's a whole different ball game, also when 2042 wasn't dead and u could play the PS5 version with crossplay off it was so much better without PC, no disrespect to the PC players I'd just rather not play against them, every time I get 1 framed it's by a PC player, I just play the PS4 version on PS5 so I don't have to
I get like 60 70 kill games on the PS4 version and almost always in 1st on my team, way different story on PS5/pc
As both Xbox and pc player I learned I can’t be as aggressive on Xbox as I can be on pc. Even after fine tuning my controls with the elite 2 I can’t replicate the same movements I can do on pc. Pc I’m on top of pack and Xbox I’m solid in middle and even with aim assist I still feel I have better pin point accuracy with MnK. I will say though about 90% of those 1 hit deaths I have are from a controller player sniping or using DMRs
Agree with you. From my point of view this guy is trying to justify the huge andvantage of pc players with stupid arguments like "you do not use the ground on your favor" when the 1 vs 1 is clearly unfair for console players.
I'm hyper aggressive on console , often using smoke and going right down the middle. My biggest problem is aim-bot and wall hacks against PC twitch players. It's so obvious when they enter a server getting 100 kills as a level 70 against a stacked 300+ level server.
It's not even a question anymore.
Try maxing out your aim sensitivity on Xbox. I did it on PS5. Took a few matches to get used to but I can aim and turn quicker now. It narrows the disadvantage a little
I'm on kb+m and i definitely think that controller has a sizable disadvantage even for your average player, simply turning around takes so much longer with a controller while it is a quick flick of the wrist with a mouse. I wouldnt be opposed to giving people an option to opt out of crossplay, other BF games are still playable on PC without crossplay.
I kind of disagree with you there. I know some controller players that can turn on an instant. I have my sensitivity set to 100 and I can beam people instantly. Its just about having a quick reaction time and a cup of coffee that will get you going.
you are on crack...its not even close..PC players have a Sizeable advantage and it's been proven over and over again
On gamepad you can't switch between targets with speed and precision, that mouse can afford.
I’m going to go ahead and predict that there will not be cross play with PC in the next title. You can talk at length comparing values but the most effective way to balance input is to have input parity. That means separating console from PC like we had for decades.
Man, Pc players have more than 60 FPS.
console is only 60fps!
off course pc players have vantage!
Ask for ender make a livestream playing on 60fps.
Let's see how much well him can play.
@@androidebr8486Exactly. the extra frames per second definition matter in a gun fight and movement
Having played heavily on PC for 10 years before switching to console which I've played for 10 years, I do think there's a difference. I don't believe there is an insurmountable difference, but there is enough for me to know it's enough for me to want it off. Then there's the stigma. I have friends who will not touch competetive crossplay titles, no matter how much I could try to convince them, they want to play on a level playing field, and I think that's fair enough.
^Agree
Take an average PC player and a top 5-10% console player and the pc player will win 8/10 times. I could practice for months and dominate over all console players but I’d still have a .30 KDR because of PC players. Yes it’s physically possible for the elite console players to beat mediocre pc players, how exciting
@@epicchocolate1866 a .30 kd? You're either exaggerating or trash at the game. I jumped on a ps5 after not having touched a console in a year and still had a better kd than that.
For competitive games i can understand, Battlefield is anything bu though so i don't see the issue here, having console players in my match means i can take things more easily but let's not kid ourselves here the gap between a good PC player and a bad PC player is greater than the gap between an average PC player and an average console player so the excuse of level playing field when you are anything above average is sort of hypocritical, at least console players have mostly the same hardware outside of the screen.
When i built my PC and bought a 3440x1440 high refresh rate, low latency, high contrast screen with high-end mouse and keyboard my placement just skyrocketed, went from 30 fps to maxing out the 144hts refresh rate of my monitor and the difference is absurd, PC players have much bigger gaps between them that's why crossplay is fair.
Pc master race!
As someone who has played both mnk and controller. PC does have the advantage just because of the lower input delay, even with a controller on PC. Personally crossplay should be input based to be as fair as possible. In terms of recoil, I know controller has less recoil, but in terms of controlling the recoil, it has always been easier on mouse, at least for me. In terms of button/keys, mnk has the advantage but that just how it will always work.
But as an experienced controller player, for some reason I feel way more comfortable on mouse and keyboard on this game, but this mainly due to controller input being horrible and alot hard to micro adjust/track due to that.
For snap aim assist, at least in previous battlefields, it always used to snap to center of mass for the enemy.
For movement, they are basically the same other than mouse being more accurate in ad strafes and bunny hopping due to easier micro adjustments.
Overall, for me, PC currently has more of an advantage than it currently should have, but this is due to game bugs like bad input etc and controller in put ON console just being super delayed compared to controller PC
DICE really let us down, by not giving controller players the same responsive aim that we had in Battlefield V. I was relishing the challenge of cross play leading up to 2042's release and got smacked in the face with "bad input" and a detrimental change to the response curve on the right thumb stick. A controller player of your caliber could go toe to toe with the likes of someone as good as Enders much more consistently if they had not screwed up what they already perfected. Such a crying shame, that I hope is one day rectified in an update or the next Battlefield.
Yeah exactly. Also the controller on pc its terrible, wish they added curves to edit it better.
Heres a take nobodys talking about, they did that for PC players because they didn't have anyone to play against 100 percent, BUT majority are console users......
SO... They are alienating the MAJORITY of the market with people who cant afford PCs, they live paycheck to paycheck...paying rent and bills....
So why do all these privelaged small percentage get help? Screw them...... They have a nice monitor and rig screw them.....
Sorry, play amongst yourselfs you can't be serious picking on us console players your all cowards imo...........
I have to disagree with Enders on the movement, kbm has definite advantages.
First, side to side strafing is far more responsive on kb, on controller you have to move back and forth across a 1 inch dead zone (maybe more, depending on controller type), which makes it very delayed on console.
2nd, there are always going to be some actions that you simply cannot do without removing your thumb from the right stick (aiming). This is because of the face buttons- I’ve already resigned myself to never being able to effectively melee kill a moving target because it’s assigne to “B”. Most default configs have the jump button assigned to one of the face buttons, so most console players cannot aim while jumping.
Personally, I’ve replaced the jump button with the grenade, so jumping/parachuting/vaulting is on the left bumper instead. But of course, this means I can’t actively aim BEFORE i throw a grenade. And of course, things like weapon swapping and activating doors and picking up kits are all on face buttons.
No matter what your setup, a controller player will always have to make some movement/action/aiming concessions that kbm players do not.
@@EraserTraceur don’t have to be loaded to build a PC. Save money and be smart with your build if it bothers you that much. The majority of PC players aren’t running around with the latest and greatest. I played console but switched to PC after saving for a build. I support my family and work full time. If you don’t like cross play then turn it off or find another game to play.
I’d love to see the stats on what players are dominating more often. Best solution is to separate pc and console. I know for certain I won’t be buying the next battlefield if crossplay with PC is a default setting.
9 times out of 10 the top kills in the lobby is a PC player.
BS stat
@@EndersFPS most slays.... bs ? Yea..
Console maximum 60fps.
Pc player >>>> 60 FPS!
You're definitely not wrong on that!
Pc vs Console in vehicles ain’t even fair tbh, especially when ur in a gun turret like the hind has it’s near impossible to hit good shots on console because the turret turn speed is really slow and if the pilot moves much you might as well just give up.
The speed of switching between targets playing infantry in battlefield is one of the most important factors. And playing on the gamepad, none of the players will be able to reach the same level in this as strong PC players (for example, Relaaa). In the past, I literally lived on tdm on a locker (30k+ AEK kills) on PC and doing zou-zou in the face of 3/4/5 enemies was the norm. I also have enough experience on the console in bf (mainly in bf5 ~400hrs), but the results are not as good as on a PC and I can't afford to play in the same style as with a mouse. In BF on the console there is not such a strong aim assist as in COD, and often you have to face a superior number of opponents (not 1vs1) so a “bad player with K+M” > “bad player on gamepad”.
I think so. When I play on console crossplay I come bottom. When I turn crossplay off I finish near the top and when I play on PC I finish near the top so there is an imbalance
Controllers simply cannot compete with the movement speed and aim of a point and click, there is a clear disadvantage.
This was a very fair analysis, and I generally agree - especially with the discussion on position.
Battlefield is by nature a very positional game. I think there should be more attention paid to the impact of map/game design on the topic, because it creeps into every aspect of the discussion. Because the maps are so vast, and the player count so large, most of the engagements seem to happen at medium to long range. It's a distance that in some ways neutralizes many of the advantages a PC player might have (it also panders to terrible players who don't PTFO). Ironically, even with less recoil on controller, it is very difficult to manage this at range to the point I will only use SMGs.
As a controller player, the only time I feel consistently outmatched by PC players is in extreme close quarters in which turn rate is a problem - and vehicles. I actually disagree with micro-adjustments at range for controller, which I find easy to do. I think the discussion connecting fighting games to controller use was interesting, as things like aim assist can absolutely be abused, much in the same manner as combos in fighter games (though this is largely limited to close engagements directly in front of the player). Similarly, aim assist and snap assist themselves are a unique problem for controller players as consistency is often an issue (especially in games populated by players with highly disparate pings).
Between Battlefield V and Battlefield 2042, my KDR has dipped by about 0.75. However, I'm not going to sit here and blame mouse and keyboard players. I do think players on console are generally more casual and less sweaty. But - as you said, Battlefield isn't a hardcore game. It's literally memes and you're going to be killed in some of the stupidest ways possible no matter what you do. I also think how you play the game matters. I will always play the objective and could care less about my KDR, and I will always run into the chaos because it is where I have FUN. I also do stupid, high-risk stuff because I'm fishing for clips.
In general though, if I die in Battlefield, it's my fault. More often than not it's a positional issue and my stubbornness in adapting to a new game and what I view as bad game/map design. This is my dishwashing liquid and I will soak in it.
Turn rate, accuracy and recoil are all a handicap with m/kb having the advantage
Although there's a lot of random, unavoidable deaths in 2042, out of the remaining deaths I think about 70% of them could have been avoided with better decisionmaking on my part. Owning your deaths is the most important part to improving in any FPS game.
not enough people are hearing that “battlefield is not a hardcore game” part lol
I remember when JackFrags complained (love Jack btw) about there being too much chaos in breakthrough 128. I disagreed since the chaos was always my favorite part of battlefield. and so they removed bt128. But now a year later, if you go on reddit, people will say they miss bt128 and they want it back.
Pc players have the advantage but.....
@@KA-vs7nl or they’re PC players knowing without console crossplay, PC 2042 would be dead
Straight up, crossplay wouldn't be so bad if console players didn't need to have a calculus degree to get aiming to feel comfortable across hipfire, ads and vehicles. I know before the player card even pops if I'm killed by a pc player. Then comes consoles players not being able to jump and aim like pc players can. Also the cheating issue that comes from playing with pc players. Just today I was one shot by a pc player who was hiding behind a sand dune in hourglass and some how shot me through a cement building with a DM7. This game NEEDS console only crossplay. If I wanted to game with pc players I would have bought a pc.
Hahaha yeah right. Ive played on both PC and Console and PC has a huge advantage. On PC my kills are 40s 50s and deaths 5s 10s. On console kills 20 to 25 deaths 15 to 20. PC is wayyyyy faster. Ofcourse a PC gamer would make a video and say this.
There are a couple points to note. There are some movements that are incredibly difficult to replicate on controller that may be easier on a keyboard. AD horizontal strafing is noticeably less responsive, quick turns are impossible with a sensitivity made for aiming, among others. By no means am I a bad player, having well over a 2 KD, but I still consistently lose to PC players in aiming duels across close to mid ranges due to these problems.
Let us also remember that when using a mouse, your entire arm is used to aim, allowing for much finer and controlled movements than limiting yourself to only the muscles within your thumb. Microadjustments for things like tracking are just easier on PC.
This is a problem DICE will never fix. It probably requires a whole rewrite of their game coordinator, something that they are not going to bother with. Crossplay on FPS games should always be input based. Battlefield may not be a competitive game, but xK30LORDx at rank S289 seems to treat it like one.
Well i would say it depends on your mouse sensitivity.
@@peterlarsson4875 Regardless of mouse sensitivity, a mouse will always be point and click, while a controller always uses dead zone from neutral mechanics. The entire range of motion in a controller takes place in about 1 inch of movement, with aiming requiring a” release “ from threshold, almost like timing a lever pull on a slot machine.
A mouse has no dead zone, neutral position or limit threshold, and is nearly as accurate as you simply pointing your finger at something.
Well said. This video just comes across as crossplay justification
@Rowe Magnon I really like enders but sometimes he just has really, really bad takes. I'd like to see him waddle around with a couple of thumbsticks sometime!
Check out gameplay by maxiq on ps5 :-)
I hate the battlefield community in bf 2042. The fact that we are talking about cross play with console and PC was foreign back in the day. It's shouldnt be a thing.......period! How bout you pick up a controller
Good video but one thing you forgot to mention is performance. As a controller player it hurts a little seeing pc players talking about their 120-240fps when we’re here stuck on 60fps since the bf4 days.
BF4, BF1, & BFV all currently have FPS Boost so if you have one of the newer consoles and a compatible display, you can run those games at 120fps. But yeah, being on console stuck at 60fps having to face PC players playing at 120fps+, it's ridiculous. Frames per second mean everything in a gun fight and movement.
Since Bf2042 I've developed a personal hatred whenever I come up against a PC player, the gun fights are just not fair
I do want to point something out, In the next update with the specialist overhaul there will be another gadget added for you which are the class gadgets, so you will have 3 gadgets ready at any time. With the plus menu already in place here, bf2042 seems to have a problem with having way too many buttons for controller players, which this would make it even worse.
I wonder what button they will use for the new gadget...🤔...Down on D-Pad, maybe?
True I had 2 unbind meele so I can go prone and still switch scopes
Why are they adding another gadget? So dumb.
I honestly don't know how I'd cope without my Xbox pro controller, the paddles are invaluable.
I think it will be the interact button. Same like the specialists with the revive gadget. So for the other classes it will be the same I believe. So if have a engineer you can repair vehicles. Maybe short click is getting in vehicle and long click is repairing them? I don't know, maybe it will be another button.
So pc players only have an advantage at killing, movement and aircraft. But we both equal overall.
This video is bullshit
Plus frames per second.
I’ve recently been switching between old gen and new gen versions on XBOX (been playing BF since 1942). I am mostly in the top 5 on console version, but when mixed with PC the console guys literally have no chance. IMO, there’s a few reasons for this:
1. Hardware - The PC brigade have quicker machines, higher resolution monitors and less input lag. I often get shot from over 200 metres away with pistols and fast firing SMG’s. They have spotted you WAY before you even see them on your lower res TV. It’s definitely more blurry on a TV than a PC monitor. I recently went over to my mates house who is on PC and took my series X over and used his 4K 55” TV. We looked at both screens in the same place on the map and there was a massive comparison with seeing players up in hills and more detail etc.
I also notice quite a lot that if you both pop out from around a corner at the same time; they often pop you JUST as you shoot your first bullet. This doesn’t happen at all on console vs console.
2. Mouse tracking and fine adjustments - there’s a reason mice are used in PC applications over controllers. They are more precise and easier to control. It’s as Simple as that.
3. Sound - 99% of PC players are on headphones. Whilst I would say it’s a LOT less on consoles due to TV sound and speaker systems etc. This is a HUGE advantage especially on the older BF’s. Obviously console players can too, but it’s more ‘standardised’ on PC to be using them.
4. 128 players - It just doesn’t work. It’s absolutely chaotic. There’s no decent gunplay or gunfights anymore. More often than not it’s just down to luck who/when you come across someone and take them out. Your ALWAYS surrounded by at least a couple of people and more often than not when you kill someone you’ll get killed by someone watching you. The decent runs from objective to objective have all gone. Older gen 64 players is SO much better for this.
I would love to see a Console only version on the new gen version. It would transform the game.
Console only crossplay OR input based matchmaking. Mnk should never be mixed with controller. Especially in shooters. Extremely out of touch dev team.
Downplaying the severity of console players having to play against PC players is just wrong. Regardless of benefits, controller player with a 2-3cm range of motion with only the tip of their thumb is not comparable to a PC players huge range of motion with their entire arm in an FPS game. Claiming there's little difference as a PC players makes it seem like you want to play easy games vs thumb twisters on console. If you truly believe there's little difference, I'd urge you to play on PS5 and experience playing vs PC players yourself. I'd be impressed if you decided it was easier to play there and see you stay on that platform.
it definitely is lol. I can always tell when I die from a MNK player.
You can have great positioning and an MNK player will fly around the corner and insta kill LMAO.
We only play on the Xbox One version of BF2042, so it’s console players only :) We gave up on XboxX/S version specifically because of cross-play !! The XboxOne version is lot more fun and even to play.
As a console player I have so much trouble whipping out my main gun after using the grappling hook or using the gadgets on command. I am often in the top 5 on the scoreboard as infantry but when I encounter one good pc player running the bsvm or auto shotguns and keep dying I have to use my teammates as baits and cannot really rush alone. You really have to play differently with a controller. It's really annoying to see pc players in tanks and ram scanning the area and erasing 2 squads in seconds before anyone could get him to low hp.
Quick strafe while ADS on MnK is not an advantage?
Ive played battlefield on console and pc since 1942, and bf2mc on ps2. The gap is significant, dont kid yourself. The action on pc is much faster, and the ability to input fast enough on a controller to compete, with all other things being equal, is not feasible. If i were to 1v1 myself between mk and controller, id never win with my controller.
I enjoy console because everyone has the same equipment so its a level playing field. Controller only lobbies, native mk support on console, or do away with crossplay.
Edit, I forgot to mention there are things as well that you can not do with controller as you can kbm, can't jump, crouch, reload, or switch weapons, and aim at the same time, also can't move and select a gadget or underbarrel at the same time either.
That's actually a lie when I turn cross play off I was getting so many more kills when you're playing against cross play PC players can kill you from far away without switching to single shot the fact that you guys have a mouse to aim with leaves console at a complete disadvantage
I think the complaints about crossplay wouldn't be as bad at all if controller didn't feel so wonky to play on along with the AA in my honest opinion still feels messed up and having both cranked down is the way
It's easier for many experienced 2042 players to put up with the issues but that's only due to me spending hours and hours of fine tuning to get it to not feel so bad and experience.
I dunno I have to disagree but if the popular opinion says I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But my personal experience is I tend to win more gun fights vs controller players
Personally as a console player, the aim assist is terrible. I feel like they upped the stickiness lately too. Which is now really a pain to deal with.
As for pc players. I always feel like the good ones have the upper hand with close quarters. As they always whip/turn around way faster than any console player could.
And idk how many times I gotta get sniped by a full auto Avancys... Always a PC player.
Agreed but I also feel it's incredibly inconsistent which throws me off but honestly, I think I'm gonna try to play without aim assist or snap to test if it does me more harm than good.
I find that most Battlefield players don’t understand how to use aim assist properly
@Enders I feel like you don't understand aim assist and never played with a controller.
I'm primarily a Xbox X/PS5 player. I do have 2042 on PC as well. I personally prefer console, mainly for the stability of the consoles. Now, another equalizer for consoles are the pro controllers. I have a series elite controller for Xbox when I play 2042. My binding for the back paddles help replicate the side strafe of a keyboard, and my jump and slide buttons are mapped to the other two paddles. It helps by keeping my thumbs on the sticks and my movements while aiming fluid.
I do agree there are advantages PC has, such as sniping. The precision of a mouse is much better than the controller for that fine adjustment. Perhaps I just suck at vehicles on PC, but I have a much easier time on console with the tanks, helicopters, and jets on controller. Tanks and helicopters I can farm on consoles. I can't fly for shit on PC. I win most helicopter vs helicopter fights vs most PC players.
Aim assist is still broken from my experience. Both Xbox, and PS5 when I snap to target, I almost always snap behind the target. I found turning the aim snap down gives me more control of my aiming. It becomes more skill because I cannot rely on BF aim assist. I think most former COD players are not used to the shitty aim assist of a BF game. So they will get their asses handed to them by PC players. BF aim assist has all ways been less important vs games like Halo, and COD. COD's aim assist is just unfair against a PC player. As a console gamer, I admit that. BF on the other hand, is as you said, more about positioning, timing, and more tactical in thinking. Not that BF is Rainbow 6, or Squad. It isn't. But there is a level of thinking before you move, flank, and suppress. I'm a Soldier IRL, and some of the "I'm up, they see me, I'm down" plays out in a BF game. You can't run and gun like COD or Halo. That is where I think some console players are having a hard time.
I’ve been gaming on PC and console for 25 years. M+KB has always had the advantage in FPS games. There is no debate. Those few people that can play decently with controller against m+kb are the exception. They don’t disprove it.
We all know if dice implemented console only crossplay that 2042 would probably be near dead on PC and is the sole reason they don’t.
My current K/D playing on PS5 is 1.11, which apparently is bottom 30% lol, but I’m in top 8% for vehicle kills. The disparity is a lot less with vehicles except for helicopters. A good PC pilot will mop the floor with a good console pilot
"Near dead on Pc"
Honestly you're likely right, whenever I try playing on pc only games I cannot find any games which is the only reason why I go on crossplay games.
Enders, your exact words. PC better vehicles, PC better 1v1, PC better close quarters...... PC has advantage in everything according to you, which is why console players complain. All you have to do is look at the leaderboard at the end of the game. Who has the most kills 95% of the time... PC players.
The gap is tiny overall for everything outside of vehicles.
@@EndersFPS all the advantages add up.
I'm a console player who has probably put more than 5000 hours into various battlefield games. I consider myself to be a decent player, but not top 1%.
That said, I do find PC gamers to be more of a challenge than console players. I'd much rather not have crossplay, although like you say, the difference is not as great as some argue, but there is a difference when there shouldn't be if everything was to be considered fair.
Agree on most stuff but I have to push back. Cqc is where console is most at disadvantage and that's where the disproportionate amount of fights happen.
Definitely agree the aim assist seems to crap the bed sometimes at close range but that's on dice because this wasn't always the case as at launch while the aim assist was worse the close range noice. 👌
I just can't compete with pc player, I get absolutely destroyed on cross play, when I turn it off I'm like 28-2 with cross play off its like 10-30
Its very clear that PC has a massive advantage, 9 times out of 10 the best squad at the end of the game usually consists of 4 PC players + i can actually tell when someone is on PC before they kill me just by how they shoot and move.
Loved the honesty in this vid, I really wished more devs would bring native kbm support for console and make sure it's implemented right with low input and calibrated right, great vid enders
Then you would need to be sat at a desk like a fucking basement dwelling, bagel eating need, consoles are for casual players sat on a couch. We dont give a fuck about stats, that's for you pricks with no sex life that take it seriously. Sad bustards lol
@@sleeplessjam7087 tf are you talking about 🥴
Yeah i wish more devs would do this so PC players can share in the console player base if they make it input based matchmaking and i know it's a dev problem on ps4/5 since some games already have full kbm support
@@Wolfen_II yeah me too, native kbm support is really great on Xbox but it's up to the devs to implement it to their games and make sure it's polished as well
All I know is having a "twitch" account makes you a better player magically. With over 1300 hours in 2042 anyone who has a new twitch account suddenly is top leader board. I go watch their stream and they're spotting player through rocks , snapping to targets , having weird comments in their video like "oh that's weird" after their cross hair snaps a weird way.
Plain and simple hacks.
I played against Quagsie and did well against him I'm only 1.8kd since I don't go for KD.
I think I went 4-2 against him.
But he seems to be using possibly a Cronus.
Just something is SUS playing against him.
After you get killed at so many odd angles by one certain player , something is up. Some edge their using.
I'll usually post up with smoke in a protected area to see if they find me and they usually do. Odd is all
You missed mentioning the fact that all hackers are on PC, this is the only reason reason I turn it off. No issues getting lobbies in Europe on Xbox series x. Defo not concerned about playing PC player's generally.
In my 200 hours of 2042, I think I've run into 1-2 legitimately suspect hackers ever. That's not bad for a EA/DICE game.
also, I don't know if it's just me but I turn right significantly slower on my controller than I turn left. Like there is a massive lag for turning right on a controller for some reason.
Enders I am from Greece I play on Ps5 my internet connection is 100 download 10 upload my ping is 49 to 53 maximum... I think 2042 still suffers from hit registration/ lagging and I get killed when I am running for cover and getting died behind cover that and same goes with me when I shoot to someone running behind cover I get the kill... and very often I see helicopter and airplanes did not have smooth flights they get for milliseconds stuck on the air... I think from my prospective they have a very big issue with the stability of their servers and we get all the frustration from this...anyone else have the same issues or is just me...
I really have to say the learning curve is so much harder to play with a controller then a mouse. Great topic for a video
I started playing 2042 with controller (on PC) due to avoid more stress on my wrists (40 y/o don't come cheap) but I slowly become accustomed with it. All of the opinions in the video are justified and on point for either input. I've seen great great controller players on console, dominating lobbies, so as stated the gap between the two is really low.
Oh bullshit, the average pc player destroys the good console player a majority of the time. You’re an idiot for thinking else
@@KA-vs7nl most people who agree with the video dont seem to understand that one variable is almost never solely responsible for all the statistical outcome. In this case he claims that since there is a similar variance in player skill, then there is not a difference in control type in regards to outcome while playing. This excludes the possibility of improved refresh rate, or varied keybindings, or resolution adjustments that are not possible on all devices. These minor changes may have a much larger impact on gameplay than suggested by the video. Its misleading to say that just because someone can do something that tends to be uncommon, then its a skill issue, when there are factors that are inherently different in each game system.
@@generalmits and too don't ask pc use >60 FPS.
Console is only 60fps!
What is that website or app he is using to see all his stats etc?
As a top 3% player on PlayStation, i can definitely confirm that PC has the advantage and needs to be separated. The amount of times i get top kills and the only people to kill me 5+ times are pc players is ridiculous. If this js the only thing keeping this game alive, then its def time to let it die.
Regardless of what you say battlefield is, a time and postioning game, that only applies to the people who know how to use it. Which is a very small amount. If devs make decisions on what the majority want, I guarantee majority of console players want it to be separated
the dude is just defending his "right" to humiliate poor console players by playing on a PC
imagine that a pc player who doesn’t understand how unfair it is to have to play against them
I would agree with most of these points as a controller player although I eould disagree with micro adjustments on high magnification optics, I temd to use a slightly lower sens on scopes like 6x, 8x and 10x and feel as though i can adjust just fine in combination with moving my character slightly at the same time.
I do think that crossplay is actually a positive thing as I can play with my pc friends and it has improved my abilities, I went from a 1.6 K/D to 2 K/D as I have been forced to adapt to players who hold a few more advantages over me.
Great video brother. A lot of key points here needed to be cleared up
Just curious if Quagsie plays on PC with a controller or a console. I have noticed that a lot of streamers that used to play on Consol now play on PC with a controller. There is no way movement is as good on a controller as I know mouse and keyboard do you have to remove your thumb off the stick to hit the D pad? Therefore, if you need to heal or use your gadgets, you will be limited on your movement speed just my two. Cents.
As a console player I can easily tell that this game is much more sweaty and skillful for me than previous games like BfV due to crossplay. Personally I don't mind the challange it I can see how it annoys some people
I think all the extra busy work doesn't help should have been more simple.
Good stuff bro. You crack me up!
shooters should NOT be crossplay with mnk/controller. Being "skilled" or "unskilled" is irrelevant to any of the reasons why, it just does not work. The diff inputs reward and encourage entirely diff play styles and even entire metas within a game. Some guns are great on one input but horrible on another, or map traversal routs & tactics for example. That makes for a bad experience for any competitive game because some things that work better on one imput may be the overall better option which means a bigger advantage to one grp over the other. Battlefield is also far more dead BECAUSE of crossplay. Most people i know on console who have been Battlefield players since the early days have all quit BF2042 with crossplay being the BIGGEST reason.
MNK will dominate any faster pace, low ttk, high recoil, twitch like shooter. because MNK has huge advantages in movement, Recoil control, Accuracy while maintaining very high sensitivity to insta turn. Which is why COD, BF and games like that will always be easier for MNK. What u FAIL to mention is it would take a more skilled controller player to beat a less skilled mnk player in most match ups. since the MNK advantages bridge alot of skill gap. so the lowest skilled controller players are at the very bottom. I Play on PC often and as i prefer the controller because i like triggers more than clicks, even i grab my mouse to lazer somone with an smg from range FAR easier than on sticks!
Controller excel in games that play a bit slower & reward smooth strafing and longer periods of closer range tracking with more shots landed for a kill, Burst weapons also usually play better on controller. Which is why halo has typically been one of the very few shooters controller will beet MNK, along with little to no recoil removing another MNK benefit. (tho MNK users will always simply say AA is too strong, ignoring the fact that the game takes little advantage of MNK strengths) BUT even halo is being tweaked more to accomodate MNK users with removal of BR starts and faster TTK.
MNK and Controller do NOT mix in competitive online shooters. and its mostly only MNK users who are ok with it hoping for easy kills....then when they do die to controllers they simply blame AA having zero clue how AA actually works while also ignoring ALL their massive advantages.
For me (Xbox) it's okay. But harder than in BF1... I only wish I have the option to only play with the PS guys or only controller user
It’s not just about controller. People on a good pc and screen get more fps than someone locked at 60hz on ps5, this make quite a bit of difference.
When i play against PC players, most of them when shooting move left and right. How it that?
I’m sorry to say this, but as a longtime BF player on playstation, crossplay is the worst thing happening for most players on console. The gap is there and it is large!
Explain to me why is this the worst thing? it helps you find more games and makes the multiplayer have a healthy number of players. Like good luck finding 128 player conquest server on ps5 without crossplay enabled.
Does Quagsie have a channel or socials?
For me the difference is obvious.
PS5 edge controller - 0.9 KDA
PC - 1.84 KDA
finally i can enjoy the game and not lose every 1vs1 pvp
Xbox player here, series console so had to use crossplay at the start to get any games, some were fun others were down right infuriating.
My K/D was at the lowest it's ever been, I'm not an amazing player but generally hold around a 2kd on this with crossplay was lucky to get 1.2
The speed and accuracy in white mouse inputs could turn Vs pad is just unfair, recoil control too.
Since the game hit gamepass we've been able to turn off crossplay and it's improved the game massively, my kd is now up to 1.9 and slowly climbing again, some nights are a struggle to find full servers and it's a shame crossplay isn't PS/Xbox only IMO, hopefully dice will learn from this and make it an option like the older gen console have.
Battling someone using a mouse to control recoil ( if there’s even any) and snapping to your head while sniping when your using thumbs. Is a valid excuse to not like the feature in my opinion. And to note I play both on pc and console, been playing battlefield since bad company 2 so I’m a vet. If you honestly believe that a console infantry player doesn’t have an disadvantage versus one of the same class but on pc. Then I would like to see how well u do if you hook a game pad to your pc and give it a shot. You will not be anywhere near as good as you are on mnk. And the fact of you not using a game pad regularly to play would have little or nothing to do with it. Because bf in its entirety isn’t hard to learn when you’ve been playing the franchise for a while. mechanics etc are pretty much the same across every bf game. And also I would like to say that Im not to sure how long you’ve been playing the franchise, but AIMING is very much important about 98% more important than you think in bf. If you cannot hit your target you will die simple, this isn’t COD where bullets morph to your opponent, I snipe majority of the time in battlefield and I really must say if your not lined up on target you will miss and that goes for other classes as well annndd it’s pretty much been that way with all modern bf games. But everyone’s entitled to there opinion and I respect yours. 😊
Bro you are spitting straight facts. Mnk movement doesn't even make sense. The fact he's saying he think console players are not using aim assist right goes to show he's clueless.
Thanks dude for the video, I was literally looking for an informed opinion 30 minutes ago and your video hits my feed now
Playing this game since release and I'm truly convinced a high percentage of players don't know what flanking is, popping smoke before a revive or simply analyzing the match and adjusting their load out accordingly.
And i think that comes from people standing around doing nothing in some corner from playing too much call of duty. People dont know what it means to move in an fps game or better yet how to use height to your advantage.
Yes
Must be your first Battlefield if you're surprised by any of that.
Everytime I'm on Defense my team leaves the flanks open 1000% of the time. I'll spot and expose enemies, call out what flank and zero help
Agreed dude, I play the objective but adapt to what's going on with vehicles, snipers, flank and smoke and quite happily hunt down tanks with c4.
As a dominant battlefield console player in previous titles I can tell you this game should not be cross platform on with pc
This is a subjective topic for the most part but as a console player I couldnt disagree with you more. I can literally tell if I die by a pc player before seeing the pc icon in the kill cam just by their movement and kill times.
Happy new year Enders
If you've watched any of Enders' videos and others of his skill level, him (and other PC players) simply have much higher frames per second and it's a huge advantage. They turn almost instantaneously and can peek and jump so much more quickly than console players. There's NO way a controller could make the many multi-kills he makes in his videos without such a high frame per second and mouse control. Yeah, his skill level is in the stratosphere but to pretend there's no real advantages to playing on a high-end PC is just rubbish.
My KD is 0.6 and I play a lot of support, rez, and anti-vehicle. Yeah, I get killed a LOT. But I like helping the team and love the challenge of winning some maps. It gets frustrating, but I think this game is still a lot of fun. And I've tried turning Crossplay off and I can never get a full game going on XSX, and I'm on the East Coast of the US.
In my experience, as a pc and console player with years of experience on both, when it comes to infantry my eyesight isnt horrible but its not amazing either so FOV is my biggest issue for any game honestly. I just cant seem to find the right FOV where I can see enemies along with keep my sight on them. Yes i find that when it comes to recoil control on any fps, using a mouse and being able to accurately make micro adjustments to my weapons kick is by far easier. On controller i have issues finding a consistent sensitivity and im still playing around with 2042 settings so hopefully ill find a good one.
I’ve played every BF since 1942, both on PC and console. I’d say the only unspoken advantage on PC is the key binding for the mouse. Many gaming mice have side buttons that make swapping weapons or equipping ‘nades so fast and easy (or a wheel for swapping weapons), versus having to remove a thumb from your movement sticks to hit a button. You can obviously change the key binding on controllers, but there’s always a sacrifice.
Really enjoyed this vid. I think the argument definitely depends on the percentile of player in question.
Below average: a bad player is a bad player regardless of input. As you said, the game is not very mechanically focused and all other aspects will bottleneck these players.
Average: I think at this level the console player MIGHT have a slight advantage if they use snap aim and full aim assist.
Above average: MNK has a higher skill ceiling and things like performance and and input can be much better on PC. I remember talking to Jordy1-1 about this ages ago and he said that he has a 5kd on PC and a 3kd on console despite being relatively new to the input method. I think that's really all that needs to be said there. The terrible console performance and rolla input would definitely hold back players of that calibre.
I think an entirely different debate would be Controller on PC vs MNK on PC. That would eliminate the hardware variables.
It’s not really dependent on the % of player though, it’s moreso the inherent advantages of a dead zone based input method versus point and click within a subset of players of equal skill - or perhaps, how “skill” is measured in the game generally. within the below average, average or above average buckets, taking two players of equal game knowledge and experience, mnk will always have a mechanical advantage.
Granted, it’s not as noticeable in a game like Battlefield, given the inherent random and chaotic nature of 128 players, but DICE should definitely put a little more effort and forethought into their next iteration of crossplay (along with nearly every other mechanic of the game.)
I'm playing on PS5, and it's dead server in Asia when turning off crossplay
Im a controller player on series x and I love playing crossplay on. I don’t have very high k/d but I come at top ten almost on every match I play. Honestly it feels rewarding to win gunfights against PC players. I believe I could have higher k/\d if I’ve played crossplay of and havent pushed objectives heavily but I think thats the way to play a bf game to have fun. I prefer very low stick deaszones (1,5 for center and 5 for axial) and 70 sensitivity which makes the input feel extremely responsive in gunfights and it makes it easier to control recoil imo. Aa is on 100 and aa zoom snap is set to 60 just to share it. I’d like to know other players settings too! 😅😅
I completely agree . I'm and average player but I do have moments where im playing almost perfect . I play console and pc from my experience most 1v1s I end up in I win more on PC than on controller when playing PC it was so much easier getting all my sensitivity right on my mouse than my controller. I mainly play on controller now . I just always liked controller for shooters just use to it but only thing is compared to all the other battlefields like bf3 , bf4, bf1, bf5. I just can't get my sensitivity right on controller compared to all those . Not sure what it is maybe it's because I'm using an Xbox controller. I've always used playstation controllers in the past this has been the first battlefield game I used Xbox controller
Why does the sensitivity for this game on console (PS5) for me personally feel so bad. I love the feel of warzone having linear sensitivity but the feel on 2042 is off putting. Not as responsive and Right analog is very slow in the inner circle of the stick. Mind you I have my deadzone/ acceleration all on 0 and coefficient on, main sensitivity around 80. Have I missed something here? I love battlefield but with the game feeling so ganky I cant play the game.
Well, when I get laser beamed from across the map by a high recoil weapon….it’s always a PC gamer. Superior hardware and/or high skill. Either way,…I’m still having fun and doing well for an old man gamer with a 2 KD on Xbox.
So in general, having been a PC and MnK player and a ps4 and ps5 controller player I can without a doubt say that the MnK control system is superior to controller. Putting players together should be done based on control system imo. The game being bad and so putting all players together shouldn't be the answer to populate a terrible game.
Here's how we fix this problem. Make crossplay only between ps5 and Xbox. Let PC players play CSGO for another 10 years 😆
What a bs!
A video just to boost your own ego!?
Try playing for a month on ps5 or x-box.
I guarantee you that you can kiss that 5+ kd goodbye. That quagsie has a 5+ kd simply means he is a god.
I am by no means a top player. But let's say i am a above average(infantry) player who often scores most kills. My experience is way different when i turn crosplay on. I get destroyed by vehicles and long-range snipers. Its becomes a way more frustrating game for me when i turn crosplay on.
Not saying that console has no advantage. I think in movement consoles might even have the upper hand.
Still love your content.
What’s the matter? Can’t handle an even-sided and fair video? I played on controller for 7 years. I’d maintain my “5+ K/D” just fine lol
@Enders yeah sure but there wasn't any crosplay in those 7 years now was there? That's the entire point!
But i get it, console players are just crying baby's
I can handle my own when it comes to ground soldier combat I’ve a 1.80kd on controller. But when it comes to vehicle gameplay it’s just not an even play space for console players
I understand the kind of response this might illicit, but i have a strong opinion otherwise about the recoil at the very least. So im on xbox, and although im still newer to the game, im not new to battlefield in general. With that said, if the recoil on controller is truly 25% less than that of pc, it really dosnt feel like it. The recoil isnt terrible, and its not like im shooting in the air, but i do still struggle, where as after learning about outside hardware for PC players that reduces if not eliminates the recoil on PC, the argument that console has less recoil feels redundant. I would also argue that latency plays a big part as well. Im not entirely sure whats wrong with my game in general, but its been a super laggy mess where im being shot behind cover, or eating all bullets at once in a scenario where I believe shouldnt be happening. The performance gap between PC and console seems pretty big in my opinion. Now these are just my 2 cents after putting in quite a few hours into 2042, and im sure most wont agree and that's fine too, i just dont really believe that console players have THAT much of an advantage as mentioned. Ive never been a fan of cross play as it is, so maby im biased?
With automatic weapons it’s fairly close. Consoles can compete. Take away automatic weapons ex. Snipers, dmr’s good luck. There is a huge difference in motor function of the hand with dmr and snipers. Making micro adjustments is really hard. I do think there should be a separation between pc and console for the reasoning of viability of dmr/snipers. Its better for game health if a majority have viable access to more weapons
From my personal experience when I play on series x I end up dying alot and being like number 10-20 on leaderboard vs when I play the Xbox one version that doesn’t have pc players im in the top 5 majority of the time
Never seen anyone say that many stupid shit in a row…
cope I guess
@@EndersFPS nahh he’s right you sound really dumb.
Console only should be a thing end of debate.
I take issue with a couple of your points. @6:40, keyboard literally has more buttons to use for mapping. And based on default mapping alone, a PC player can jump and turn at the same time, and a console player cannot.
@8:45 this has been my exact experience that you’re dismissing. When I turn crossplay off, I dominate. When I turn it on, best I can do is middle of the chart. Every time.
And you frankly, unless my data is wildly skewed by arbitrary coincidence, I’ve been actively watching every game I play for months now, and the top 5 are nearly always PC players, with wildly padded K/D ratios. I’m not saying console players don’t ever creep into the top 5. It does happen. But so rarely it’s remarkable. I’m sure Dice has the real stats on this and Im sure it’s more glaring than my own data.
Very cool vid Enders 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video as always, really insightful. Excellent points on positioning Vs aim. So important!
I've been using a joystick for vehicles since BF1942 and the control scheme for air vehicles has become progressively worse since then, especially in this game - the sweet spot was BF2. I was my clans pilot in BF:Vietnam beforehand and you needed a certain level of mastery to circle / hover and capture flags, found it near impossible to fly with a mouse. At risk of sounding elitist, although I understand why they have simplified the controls to make the game more accessible to all, I do miss being able to separate yourself from the rest with a certain level of mastery.
If you have a joystick, give bf:Vietnam a go, flying the Huey :)
as someone who was playing BF since 4, I could fly the helos there to a moderate success (my very first time flying one resulted in me smashing against the ground in spectacular fashion) but I would like to ask someone like you, who played the BF franchise since its early days, are the flight-controls for 2042 dogshit? because I can admit myself, they feel a bit janky to control, especially with larger transports like the condor, when its either got the maneuverability of a boat, or it flies too fast where I'd smash face-first into the nearest skyscraper.
I don’t understand why the concept of console only cross play seems to be constantly overlooked. Also, the option to play against pc shouldn’t be on by default, as it basically standardizes the pc cross play matches. People are calling for no more cross play just because of pc? Why eliminate cross play between different consoles when the problem is obviously console vs pc.
I would say MnK has the advantage with just the straff AD change advantage I loose so much to that but also due to the locked down nature of console and lack of trouble shooting support it is probably some undefined isp lag that is the biggest problem. I say ISP because my performance has dropped since moving even though I now have a lower ping. But this week took my console to a family members place for a weeks family gathering who has a premium ISP. Even though ping and network performance has been generally bad and a terrible speed teir on their plan. When I have managed to kill people in games it has been significantly quicker than at home like stupid quicker, like I look at them and they are dead quick. Normally at home I am staring at one person till half my mag is gone and they finally fall over. Thinking it might be bad routing by the ISP :/
I play both the Ps5 and the PC version and my average K/D isn't really changing when going back and forth between them. PC have an advantage in close quarters, because of the ability to do a 360 degree turn in a split second but at medium to semi-long range consoles (Or pc players playing with a controller) actually have the advantage because its so much easier to track players when you use a controller because of the aim assist
Im fine with crossplay if you can turn it on or off but I'm done playing against pc players with all the advantage for example : reaction time and faster refresh rate.
And this is all shooters not only battlefield as a fact on games witch allow me to turn off crossplay I do mutch better with crossplay off than with crossplay on
I think the issue in your thinking here is that you are comparing top 1% players and even then said console player feels he'll die 90% of the time.
The average M&K player is better than 80% of controller players just from a mindset point of view. You buy a console, plug it in and go. Simple and casual... Pc requires more nuance and up keep plus on average a more dedicated set up.
So it goes without saying when you put a casual Andy that plays once a week or two against a dedicated gamer he's going to die.