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Clutch is my favourite OC in the IDW canon. He actually has a defined role in the world and in the narrative, from a meta perspective, since he's a 'street level' villain in a world that just doesn't have those. Can't break out the superheroes for every little problem, so Clutch gives the side characters a managable threat. Plus, I adore his design.
What bothers me about this whole ordeal is how Whisper seemingly drops her suspicion completely just because Duo falls off a chair, when she's already seen him red-handedly (or footedly) sabotage Silver AND been told about the eye change. It doesn't make sense to drop such hard evidence over a "they *probably* wouldn't do that"
Ya I hope post Hiatus they retcon Whisper just giving up here and have the crying have been an act so Mimic could feel like he won but she intended to actually lower his guard to find out who he's working for since he never works for free. That would redeem the moment of her actually playing 5 dimensional chest with her long time enemy.
Because to her Duo is too much a coward and narcissistic to risk himself being injured and act so pathetic. Plus it’s how they went at him as Duo is also a big problem and that he erased all his files so nobody really knows how to track him.
The thing you have to keep in mind is how crazy this would all be if they're wrong. Yeah, as the audience we know they're right, but can you imagine how paranoid you'd feel if you went through with something like this and turned out to be wrong? When everyone you know is telling you you're being paranoid, when Whisper has been trying to trust people again, it's hard to know if you should trust your instincts or the people around you. Also, even in a world where this kind of power exists, you can't spend all your time looking out for something like this. At some point, you have to trust things as they are and try to trust the people around you. If whisper looked at every interaction as if the person she was talking to was potentially Mimic, she'd drive herself insane. We're getting a lot of leeway here as the audience, who know what's really going on. In the story, it makes sense that they back off after seemingly messing things up this bad.
This doesn’t really talk about silver being a spider-man but the funny thing is when they were making silver they based him off of trunks from dbz. And I shit you not, when they were making the about or whatever in sonic 06 they just said, “Basically trunks from dbz”
Poor Silver. I feel so bad for him. I would love to see him join these girls. Also the fact that Mimic is like a an octopus ditto is very interesting, twisted, and funny. Although I love that Silver and Blaze are going off on an adventure together.
not just the traitor arc, that story and what follows afterwards could be (in my eyes) the start of a new king Naugus/ Nicole Bigotry story saga starting from issue 219 to online issue 253, with all the emotional pain and background deception and Lanolin being like the councillors, Rosemary Prower especially (but with exceptions from Rotor and Uncle Chuck), from issue 224. look up archie and archie online if you have no idea what i'm talking about. I compare Lanolin with Rosemary because although i have reason to be irritated with them, i somewhat understand their points of view and have hope that they'd redeem themselves, Rosemary's now possible due to archie online
The biggest problem with this arc is it feels like everyone involved needed to lose several points of I.Q. in order for it to work. Which is honestly depressingly common with this trope. "Hey, we know you've saved the world several times and have never lied a day in your life, but we're just gonna trust this completely new and suspicious person over you because conflict." I don't think I've ever seen a story that pulled this trope off tactfully.
How is he suspicious tho... He literally did nothing suspicious that Lanolin and Tangle noticed. Whisper is just being whisper again, silver was just ashamed a bit
@@ДюсековИльяс I mean. MAYBE his excuse about leaving Silver could be justifiable, but like I would be suspicious in this situation. I think the core problem is this is suppose to be dramatic irony, but it comes of as blatantly manipulative dramatic irony. Where we can tell the writers want us to feel a certain way, and that takes us out of the comic. That's definitely the problem for me here.
I feel like this is mainly a problem with this trope in general. You want a secret thug messing with things behind the scenes, but that becomes hard when you have characters who are already shown to be people smart. Here is my main issue, you could make the excuse that Lanolin is newer to this so she doesn’t have the best read on other people, however we know from the Metal Virus arc that she wasn’t turned into a Zombot (at least until Angel Island), meaning for the whole story she got to see Silver be a hero, another character who didn’t get zomboted. (I don’t even think Silver even got infected.) My point here is that Lanolin got to see first hand how much of a hero Silver was, but now doesn’t trust him when he thinks someone is suspicious.
@@ДюсековИльяс Yeah, in-universe, it all checks out. The pieces all fit together, especially with Mimic pushing Silver to be uncharacteristically boastful, and then almost dropping those boulders. I'd be kinda peeved too, in Lanolin's shoes, if my group invited Mr. Shining over there to a training sesh and things escalated like that. They really should have taken that angle as writers. Maybe if Lanolin had a close call with one of those boulders, or had her Wisp Bell damaged (making her a bit less capable of fulfilling her duties, but technically fine) her irritation would be much more justified. This just really needed another couple drafts! The core series of events basically works, but there's not enough consideration for how the reader feels in response.
Which leads me to think they had mimic pegged from day one and are only playing along to find out who his real boss is before springing the trap on him and in his attempt escape instead ends up like Starline and causes his own demise.
My issue with these issues is that Whisper's mask records what she sees, and she was wearing it when Duo tripped Sliver. I was waiting for it to be brought up but they never do. Edit: Finally addressed in Issue #71
She must have kinda forgot about that amidst all the commotion. But I guess that just means she's bound to bring it up in the next part of this arc and show the other girls what she saw!
To be fair I understand why Lanolin felt the need to kick silver out the group and her actions durning the comic. Lanolin knows nothing about silver, his character, or anything of that nature. Think she only worked with him once, and even durning that time silver was mostly with shadow durning most of the event. Im more so disappointed in Whisper and Tangle actions who outright know silver as a person. You’d think they would put forth more of an effort to stick up for silver instead of duo who they just met like a couple days ago. It’s not a good light for them, especially considering how quickly Duo is just accepted and believed instantly despite being some new dude no one knows. You’d think Lanolin would keep a watchful eye on Duo as well as silver. Though she immediately trusted duo and put all her suspicions on silver instantly
That’s not true. Lanolin wasn’t really a character yet, but we saw her during the metal virus. Meaning she actively saw Silver during that time, due to her not getting infected at least until the metal virus, and silver was the only (hero) character to not get infected for the entire story arc.
I just want them to use her as a direct analog for all of the consequences Sonic should be facing for his choices of forgiving people and accepting everyone. Sonic can't do that because he's burdened with all those main character stipulations, but she can grapple with having to deal with "reformed" villains, second guessing every rando and worrying about the egos of everyone with superpowers. She messed up here, but Sonic could be said to have done so much worse with the Mr. Tinker/Eggman situation, yet that just can't be discussed
@@Bofrab dude that makes it even worse, she believes a guy who JUST joined, *coincidentally* at the *exact same time* as genocidal maniacs, over someone she knows personally and saved the world 3 times
@@Birdsflight44- expect he was completely blaming himself during the MV arc and almost got himself killed by Surge because of his lack of responsibility after he learned the imposter’s origin. Sonic got his sense of giving people chances back after dealing with Mecha Sonic because he was sick and tired of people saying they can’t change who they are and frustrated at thoes who think they can’t block a path themselves. Even then he’s constantly been thinking of his actions but refuses to give up his principles out of fear just as he told Zavok as he thought back on how he almost destroyed the world and how many people kept telling him to drop the principles.
A neat detail about Duo trying to convince the Diamond Cutters is he does a gesture towards Whisper which shows his palms, knowing that Whisper knows his suction cups are something he has during disguises. It’s an unconscious way to convince her to trust him.
What I think could have been fun is instead of Silver getting kicked out for not trusting Duo, what if instead Silver didn’t immediately accuse him, and both Silver and Duo have this fake friendship where they pretend to be buddy buddy, but they are both secretly trying to keep an eye on the other to see what their gonna pull. Duo watching over Silver because he’s scared of his power, and Silver watching Duo due to him being left for dead. For a better idea of what I’m talking about I feel like Jonathan and Dio’s “friendship” fits the idea I’m trying to get. Both pretending to be close brothers, but are both suspicious of the other, and the other knows it because it’s pretty obvious to the other person.
I'm always happy for more Sonic speed reading, but seriously: Lanolin REALLY lost some points with me after the way she did Silver (especially when we know that he's right), and I hope he gets a comeback. Also, always happy to see Surge and Kit come back🤩
This arc is probably the first major hiccup I’ve had with this comic series, I’m not one of those people hating completely on Lanolin, but I’m just upset that in that issue EVERYONE is being stupid in that scenario except for Mimic. Like Mimic takes a dive to keep his cover and whisper starts believing that it can’t be him now because Mimic is to “prideful”? Like, what? He’s an infiltrator he can play a part. Lanolin also probably should have listened to Silver and Whisper a little bit more since both of them, especially Silver, were a major part in getting rid of the metal virus, although they should have tried to give her their evidence before they got into a confrontation. Honestly I feel real bad for Whisper right now, getting gaslight about Mimic and then basically being forced to let Surge and Kit into the diamond cutters, poor girl. Regardless, I can’t wait to see how it ends Clutch has formed quite a gang.
Whisper doesn't actually KNOW mimic and the lengths he's willing to go for a part. The only knowledge she has of his personality was WHEN he was playing a part. She has no idea who Mimic actually is as a person. And Lanolin TRIED to listen to silver and whisper, she even asked them to talk about it as a team but Whisper, who was tunnel-visioned by her trauma, didn't listen and negotiations went out the window. And honestly? I think she really had no reason to listen to them after they had admitted that they had zero evidence and were threatening a new recruit just off of a hunch.
@@johnfishee1048 I personally feel like there was something immediately fishy about even his interview. What kinda guy hops on the good side of 3 different people he supposedly knows nothing about, not to mention immediately knowing where these guys even meet up? And then there's the "incident" at the training grounds, where Silver losing his balance over seemingly nothing should already be suspicious, let alone Duo saying he was gonna call for help when if he was, he already would've. And that's without getting into the can of worms that is both Tangle and Whisper knowing Silver more than Lanolin does. And also that Lanolin's own investigation is tailing the guy that's helped the Restoration when it was still the Resistance, and NOT the dude that just joined on a dime? What? There were red flags aplenty.
@@johnfishee1048 I’m not saying Lanolin is in the wrong, I’m not saying anyone is in the wrong, but none of them are thinking rationally. Whisper has the video footage of Duo kicking Silver from their training, Silver saw Duo’s eyes change. What they should have done was wait for a moment where it was just the 4 of them alone away from Duo and then tell Lanolin and Tangle about this. Then they could have gotten permission to prove it somehow and look into the matter. Then the story could have found a way to make Whisper’s evidence seem inconsequential and and get Silver off of the Diamond Cutters without the story having to bend over backwards so Mimic can have an easy play through of Among Us.
@@DmanDmythDlegend You're under the assumption that Whispers mask records things 24/7. It has never been said to do so, and the recording function was mainly used for the other diamond cutter members to review missions and share and study their perspectives. Whisper had no reason to use it during their training due to it only being HER perspective and not everyone elses. While Whisper did see Mimic kick silver, it still isn't enough evidence to prove it was mimic as it could've been anybody trying to spy in or just a random person who just dislikes Silver. Also, silver himself didn't even know that Mimic kicked him.
Which leads me to think they had mimic pegged from day one and are only playing along to find out who his real boss is before springing the trap on him and in his attempt escape instead ends up like Starline and causes his own demise.
This Duo storyline is the exact same as the Bendy episode of Fosters Home. Liar revealed stories are the lowest hanging fruit to me and they're just a frustrating slog i have to wait for them to get it over with.
Liar reveals can be good, but only when they are a mystery. At least in my opinion. Making it a twist or making the reader have to pay attention and discover the true liar together with the characters. Problem is that we already know it is Mimic, Wisper should have a recording of the tripping due to her mask, and nobodies is believing the two heroes that never done anything wrong so far.... Also using the line "do better or be better" made her kinda sound like a Karen to me
@@LucasR.OExample of a good Liar Reveal storyline: Over The Hedge. The story doesn't do a whole argument breakup scene, but rather has RJ look back at the people he hurt and feel remorseful. He the decides to save them, leading to a comedic misunderstanding scene where the others keep denying him entry to the van. It's probably the best example of a liar revealed story in my opinion
They could've done a more convincing job to make "Duo" just some guy. Like, if you'd missed a single issue, you wouldn't know for sure that he really was Mimic.
I think reading silver and blaze's relationship as a bit of a love traingle kinda misses the point. I always read it as silver and blaze having a sibling-like relationship, thats why sonic compares them to him and tails!
Huh, off topic but I never noticed just how many comic original characters have fingerless gloves, Tangle, Lanolin, Clutch, hell Minic doesn't have gloves at all Certainly not important but it makes me think back to to when Sega rejected the idea of giving Boom Sonic fingerless gloves
Finally, someone else is thinking about this! For me, Mimic having a glove ON looks a little weird, and Duo having a glove OFF is weird. Could just be me.
Maybe whisper has some gambit shes playing at giving mimic a reverse false sense of security, let silver take the fall(for acting to hasty) and lets lanolin kno on the sly as mimic would believe he has the wool over her eyes as well. The fight, crying, and yielding to fault is a ruse, silver just happened to be the loose end. True maybe it is implausible that she'd do it that way, especially with a friend, but i think shes had plenty of experience with him to have ideas Then again, i dont really want another bout of lanolin doubting herself and whisper endangering her friends, to maybe its just willing theyre all in on it. SN: heres to Mimic getting outstead, but then Surge n Kit could intervene but choose not to and turn on him, but only to hold up the ruse and gain their trust.... Feel like i stumbled into something..
Oh, think the three of them had Mimic figured out on day one, they're just pulling him along so they can also capture his boss. I think when Mimic gets ousted instead of Surge and Kit turning him he makes a mistake while trying to escape that ends with the traitor meeting the same fate as Dr. Starline and while Whisper is stunned that her old friends have been avenged all Tangle could muster would be "big oof."
18:11 That’s a Ghost of the Future reference! Those are Silver’s sisters in the top left corner! The one in the wheel chair actually calls Silver “Fern Face” in the comic. I love that!
Honestly the only issue I have with Lanolin in this mini-arc is why the hell wouldn’t she at least investigate Whisper & Silver’s concerns? Like if you’re gonna listen to anyone, it’s the person who’s had the most experience with the shapeshifter-
Because she already knew along with Tangle, the two of them and Whisper would have known since day one and Silver was unfortunately part of their counterplan to not only capture Mimic but his boss as well. Lanolin would have had to put Silver down in order to keep their counter ruse up and ultimately make Mimic have a Starline like breakdown.
Seriously, she's been in the resistance for less time than Tangle and Whisper and is a less experienced hero than Silver yet she acts like she knows better and should call the shots. I understand the skepticism, but cmon Lanolin...
Because she saw two heroes attacking an innocent recruit without the proper evidence to justify said action( no I don’t think Whisper records everything 24/7 otherwise she would have shown her team most of all Tangle). Yes Silver is a hero but those who want Sonic to take “responsibility” for his but hate it because he’s experienced it applies to Silver as well.
16:16 i'm not sure if everyone saw this, but if you look in the top left, you can see the 3 ghosts from the sonic unleashed animation spying on him and blaze, and god just seeing that reminds me of when the power was out when i was a kid, and i had the video downloaded on my mom's phone, i always got a few laughs watching it P.S: 17:35 also that second i saw that silver theory photo, i immediately thought of the conspiracy guy meme P.S2: alright i think i'm getting annoying but i swear last time, in 23:03 if you look at the hospital bed duo is in, on the sides (idk if this is intentional) you can see the sonic 2 level title card, just wanted to point that out
Also Silver getting show offy reminds me of Sonic, honestly it is more likely that Silver is related to Sonic than Shadow (who after the chaos began was caught by gone and was imprisoned afterwards)
I was waiting for Clutch to start filling the space left by other secondary villains from Archie(and now the hole left by Starline), and this is a cool opening arc for that, making great use of his character Very much a Kingpin-style scheme, having to lean harder on the trickery and lower level villains since he's not himself a superpowered being like Mammoth Mogul was
Because we don't see Whisper have any punishments onscreen, so I imagine she'll be cleaning their office for the next few weeks, I'm pretty sure it's the kind of assignment Lanolin would give her for her insubordination .
I assume Jewel just gave her a stern warning because she realized Whisper may be right and wanted to find out for sure if Duo was Mimic before punishing her, and even if Duo was innocent, she knows why Whisper lashed out because of her trauma.
24:40 This is how you do humor interrupting a sincere moment right. And it’s immediately followed by Sonic teasing Blaze and Silver in a way that’s pretty true to his character, too!
GOOD VIDEO, did anyone else notice 2 characters that look like SILVER's sisters in the fan comic Ghosts of the Future, they appear when Silver is "hidden", one is blue and the other is orange in a wheelchair, HOW FUN
I wanna play Devils Advocate for Lanolin a little, i think shes just overprotective over a newby, she joined the Restoration so noone else would feel as helpless and she did, and to her, Duo is someone with the same goal, so when she sees 2 of her team members attack him, she might have took it a little personally. That being said, dont ever be mean to my boy again sheepgirl
I don't think that's it; I think Lanolin, Tangle and Whisper had "Duo" figured out on day one and are only playing along to spring a trap on him and Clutch. This is going to end with Clutch blaming Mimic for everything, Mimic trying to escape his employer's wrath yet again only for him to make a mistake that results in the original Diamond Cutters finally being avenged when their betrayer ends up accidently becoming his own executioner.
Gonna play Devil's Advocate further. Silver and Whisper were *really* stupid in their approach to expose "Duo." Like, you had so many options and you chose to assault him in public with no proof? Come on, yall have to realize how stupid their decision was.
@@mrmelonman2893 agreed. either Whisper figures it out from either remembering her mask's recording values (providing it WAS recording) or seeing the similarities between Duo and Slinger, or Whisper pretends to fall for Mimic's act and comes up with a counter-con on the spot. another way Duo could be figured out is if something he does, like get a pat on the side, contradicts his 'injuries' as he won't react in pain due to 'bruises', providing that he WAS feigning injury.
I honestly hate the, "new character arrives to make the others turn on each other," plotlines because they're *always the freaking same.* You know Mimic is eventually going to get found out and Lanolin will apologize to Silver and Whisper, and it's just going to make her doubt her role as a leader more. Also, can the writers let poor Whisper go through one comic without putting her through the emotional wringer in some way?! She suffered enough with getting hospitalized and dealing with the Shadow Androids! Surge and Kit are honestly the only reason I'm still paying attention. I hope that they'll at least get some sort of information about their past, regardless on whether they join Sonic's team or not.
I understand. But that's how Sonic is. We all know Sonic and his friends would survive and defeat Neo Metal, Metal Virus, and Surge's rampage arc. It's just fun to see how they do it. For this comic arc, I admit it's a bit meh. But I also like that they're trying something new.
@delphoxhoopa7289 Mimic's plot would have been so much better if we didn't SEE Mimic become Duo. The comic would be far more entertaining if we never once see Duo transform. The whole time Duo always looked nervous and frightened. At face value we would question if that's actually Mimic, or a victim, and Mimic is someone else entirely on the other side of restoration.
I really don't feel like engaging with fandoms, and I was never really a part of the Sonic fandom, but I do feel like these comics are more complete with some fandom context involved, seeing as the best parts of Sonic media are influenced, if not at least partly made by Sonic fans these days. These videos are a great supplement, and you do tend to leave room for dissenting opinions from your own, which I do appreciate, too.
I wonder what the consequences of Mimic's infiltration as well as Surge and Kit's presence will be. I hope that it has an big impact on the story similarly to the metal virus saga but in its own way
I enjoyed these issues, art was spectacular (especially for Blaze and Sonics trip and the ending conversation), and it’s always fun to see these characters interact. While I don’t particularly ship Blaze and Sonic, it’s nice to see Blaze showing more emotions. And of course her conversation with Silver was great. As usual, Blaze shows why she’s one of the best characters in the franchise
This, in my opinion, is IDW Sonic's first bad story. There are so many things of varying relevance wrong with it, I might as well go full CinemaSins here: Mimic randomly deciding that Silver in particular is a threat and trying to take him out on the first mission. Why? Silver doesn't even know Mimic exists. Unless Mimic somehow pulled a Batman Gambit and predicted Lanolin would want these random rocks brought close enough to crush Whisper, there's no reason for him to go all out like that against someone he doesn't even care for. Speaking of going all out, Mimic letting his disguise slip in front of Silver. Again, why? He literally just acknowledged Silver is a force to be reckoned with, why wouldn't he make the extra effort to stay concealed in case he still makes it out? Issue 64 tries to spin it so that his disguise apparently stops working when he's in danger (which is a really stupid weakness in of itself, I hope that's not actually what they're going with moving forward) but Mimic looked far more scared for his life *before* his disguise slipped while when it actually did, he just looked smug as he calmly left. Not even a reaction to Silver seeing his eyes change, heck, technically we don't even know if he *realized* Silver could see them. That's either poor visual storytelling or Mimic being a moron. Whisper seeing Mimic trip Silver. Not only does that, once again, make Mimic look like a complete idiot for not being more careful with his assassination plot to the point where his actual target could just freaking SEE him commit his nefarious deeds, but also HER MASK RECORDS EVERYTHING SHE SEES! If she saw Mimic trip Silver during a training session, there should be video evidence of it that they could have shown Lanolin when she was asking for proof. Never addressed. It would have been so easy to just have Whisper believe Silver because she trusts him without her ever seeing anything. That would even solve the problem of only Silver being kicked off the team in the end, but nope, not what we got. The fact that Mimic would have suckers on his hands and feet also goes completely unaddressed. No ploy to put him in a situation where he has to take off his mittens, nothing. Mimic's suckers clearly aren't a non-diegetic visual only the viewer can see because Mimic makes an active effort to hide them. How is Whisper not thinking of this simple telltale sign when she's had all day to think of a plan? I always assumed the suckers were how she identified him when he was disguised as Sonic, but apparently this basic, decently visible feature of his power is completely unknown to her. I get that in a plot like this someone has to be the moron who falls for the villain's ploy and Lanolin is the only one of these characters where it wouldn't have inherently pissed people off since she's new, but man, the writers really seem to be overestimating how much people care for this girl who appeared in a few issues in the background and then did an off-screen 180 from civilian helper to full-on military discipline soldier. She was in one arc where she spent most of her time trapped and out of action, now we're supposed to see her as an equal to Silver and Whisper in this story and… She just objectively isn't. Her lecturing Whisper on what being a soldier is all about is downright infuriating. Whisper is a war veteran whose colleagues were killed in action during the freaking world war against Eggman. Lanolin didn't even pick up a Wispon until after the Zombot arc, she is by far the least experienced member of the Diamond Cutters, yet the writing just kind of pronounced her team leader after her first mission because… Sally was a leader idk. This is a background character that just stumbled into the spotlight with a sense of importance that does NOT match what we've actually seen of her and that's why people are mad at her. Her occasionally popping up in the background since Issue 2 is not a substitute for getting the audience to care about her as a character. The worst part is that I can already smell the post-Mimic reveal annual side story where she's gonna mope and dope about how she has to make it up to Whisper and Silver which is probably gonna come up with a bunch of excuses to justify why she acted the way she did and… I just don't care. I was already critical of Belle's introduction potentially bloating the hero cast and the writing had to put in a lot of legwork to win me over with her. Lanolin blew it real quick and I just don't think she can even attempt to bounce back from that without her taking up spotlight that'd be better spend on other characters. This is more of a Fridge Logic thing, but if Mimic is pretending to have a broken arm from Silver's attack, won't the first thing they give him at the hospital be an x-ray? Octopuses don't have bones, a freaking x-ray seems like the perfect device to expose him while disguised. Can he shapeshift bones that fool radiation? This story is making me ask way too many technical questions about a power that really shouldn't be any more complicated than Espio's invisibility. Why is it so beyond Whisper that Mimic could be feigning injury as part of an infiltration job? She learned that this guy is a professional liar, betrayer and killer with zero qualms first hand. We're just straight up not getting an explanation on this one here. Only Silver being voted off the team when the plan was Whisper's idea is… a choice. I personally think this one is actually one of the less egregious parts compared to the rest, but people do keep pointing it out when they list things wrong with this story. To me, it feels more pragmatic than anything else: If Whisper got sent away alongside him instead of crying on Tangle's shoulder again, then the scene with Blaze couldn't happen because Silver and Whisper would be talking to each other instead of Silver sulking alone. If Whisper suffered the same consequences and got kicked out of the Diamond Cutters, the whole team might as well disband because Tangle would 100% follow her, and the writers can't disband the team because they were just formed in the last arc. Also, I really hope the background characters' whispers about Silver's powers is NOT the writers being pragmatic, I really don't want to see another post-Iron Nicole situation. The scene with Silver and Blaze seems nice… until the thought creeps up on you… Was this endgame? Is this why all this stupid bs with Silver I just read through had to happen? Is this a darling that failed to be killed in the writing room? The ambiguity of the scene really doesn't help the sinking feeling that it may have been written first. At no point does Silver say "I broke an innocent guy's arm because I thought he was a villain in disguise which lead to me being kicked out of the cool team I joined to make a change with." with Blaze actually responding to that, it's just a wishiwashi "I messed things up again, sadge, what is my purpose?" and Blaze is just like "Don't sadge, Silver. Make small changes, they matter!" and Silver literally says "Thanks Blaze, you always know what to say." and then Sonic does a freaking Greek chorus thing and verbally validates what a good pair they make. It really reads like one of those feel-good fan comics where the artist's favorite character is angsting about something ambiguous and another character steps in to emotionally support them. This is a whole genre among fan artists because it just feels good to write and read. I wouldn't even mind that too much if it wasn't becoming the Silver equivalent of Whisper crying so often that it loses its impact. The IDW comics seem to have an affinity for putting in these out of action pep talks with Silver in particular, it was literally the premise of BOTH of his annual stories. I can't think of any other character in this comic so far who got taken aside for a lil heart to heart more than once and Silver isn't even a regular like Tails or Amy. He's also never very proactive in these pep talk scenes. Unlike say, Blaze coming to Knuckles for guardian-specific advice, with Silver it's always other characters coincidentally stumbling across him looking sad and proceeding to insert themselves into the situation, which removes all agency from Silver to open up by himself. I already know some Silver fans who don't like his IDW portrayal because his characterization is closer to the internet's soft boi perception of the character than the way he actually acted in games. I'm a bit on the fence on this one. On one hand, I want to see Sonic characters opening up and supporting each other and that's part of why I read these comics, so I don't necessarily mind characters being more vulnerable than in the games where they're mostly just meant to look cool. On the other hand, I don't need one particular character receiving the same emotional beat with a new coat of paint over and over again, I don't want the emotional beats to feel disconnected from the story at hand and I especially don't condone them happening as the end result of the writing doing nonsensical backflips. I won't lie, these issues were given an inherently frustrating plot handle and I wouldn't be surprised if they just weren't allowed to do certain things that would have made it less frustrating, such as say, restructuring the plot a bit and not actually confirming Duo's true identity until that ending scene with him in the hospital so the reader won't know for sure that Lanolin is 100% wrong as they are reading that part. However, other problems like forgetting about Whisper's mask are blunders that can't just be explained away. This story wasn't it, I hope they cut their losses and make the best of it.
@rainpooper7088 Thank you so much for writing this comment, you really put everything I wanted to say about this into words, glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
i love how the writers have handled silver so far but man, these issues just weren't the best. lanolin being so defensive of duo at every turn, whisper dropping all suspicion without any real explanation despite knowing that duo kicked silver, it's honestly some of the worst writing i've seen in the comic series
To be fair towards Lanolin during the fight between her and Whisper. Whisper did grab her arm first and Lanolin had every right to protect herself. I can understand Tangle's feelings on the matter too, deciding to remain next to Whisper when Silver tries to rope her in as an eyewitness. But it doesn't change how poorly executed that scene played out. Almost everyone there should've trusted Silver's judgment and instead, turned their backs on him, even Jewel did.
"It was no secret that Duo was Mimic. They weren't keeping this a secret." Oh really? Maybe I'm a smol brain because I assumed it was because he shared Mimic's color scheme and his name is "Duo". :p
This wasn't a great way to endear Lanolin to the fanbase. Its one thing for her to want to give Duo a chance, its another thing to completely ignore character who are more seasoned than her saying something is up. And the way she just talks down to Silver like she's his mom is a bad look no matter how you slice it. Had she been written to be a bit weary while also choosing to give Duo a chance, that would be one thing, but she just goes all in on siding with Duo, who WE know is Mimic. Just makes her look dumb. Another thing. This comic needs to figure out what they want to do with Whisper and Tangle beyond simply having Whisper have breakdown every five seconds only for Tangle to be her shoulder to cry on. It got old a while ago.
I mostly concur, except for the fact that it was on Silver and Whisper to provide evidence, which they had on hand in the form of Whisper's mask recording, and they straight up didn't use it. Or they could've just... pulled "Duo"'s gloves off to reveal Mimic's suction cups... but they didn't do that. They instead decided to attack what everyone thinks to be a regular citizen IN PUBLIC instead of pulling Lanolin to the side and give her their suspicions in private. I do agree Lanolin should lighten up and listen to her teammates more, but the blunder that Silver and Whisper pulled just can't be overlooked. This story could've massively benefitted from not revealing Mimic until after the incident, because it'd create a much more grey conflict of assumptions, but because we know who he really is, we just have to watch everyone flounder around and it makes them all look stupid.
@@tastethepainbow I agree. There's definitely a time and place for when you reveal information to the reader that the characters don't know, just to make the readers squirm. Its the point of Dramatic Irony. The removal of all doubt about Lanolin's wrongness without any anticipation or hope that things could be okay (because they ARE going to be okay because Sonic comic- so there's no point to her behavior but to be an obstacle) basically makes this situation into Dramatic Irony's loser cousin.
I can't say she completely ignored them. She asked if they had proof. When they admitted they didn't she told them to leave Duo alone. The last straw was when Silver tried to trip up Duo while he was leaning on the railing. I'll admit if we didn't know Duo was Mimic, even we would suspect something might be off with Silver and Whisper.
@@BrakSplashI can't really blame Lanolin here. They both really look like they are attacking an innocent person who no reasons and putting him in big danger. Worst than that, with his powers, Silver could have injured anybody that was gathering to look at the scene! He was acting very irrationaly and with no proof to back it off, I understand that she puts him off the team. Maybe something that was missing would be a scene were Lanolin, Whisper and Silver talk about it all together but really, if I was Lanolin here, I dunno how I would act.
Never have I thought that we would have an adaptation to that Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends through Sonic, but at least it is with an imposter trying to infiltrate and not being just a jerk for the sake of it.
Silver hanging out with Tangle, Wisper, Lanolin, and Mimic kinda gave me vibes of the Secret Freedom Fighters for some reason (for as long as he was part of the group anyway). Silver being part of a smaller group that didn’t have a grasp on things.
I'd rather Mimic accidently offs himself while trying to escape and with Whisper in stunned silence that her old team has been avenged only Tangle could bring herself to mutter something, that something being "big oof."
Is just so exhausting how this seems like a blatant attempt to make Lanolin look cool, not even Mimic, but her, Silver isn't the only one affected, Whisper, from all people, a trained fighter that was able to fight hand-to-hand combat with Overdrive Surge just gets tossed down and crying when Lanolin is involved, Silver gets schoolded as if she knew him better, it just feels unwarranted, the hatred wasn't because she schoolded Silver alone, but her bossy smart ass attitude is just insufferable to be honest, she doesn't seem like a cool person to be around but like someone who would try to look down on everyone to make her look cool
I know I’m a little late to this. I’m honestly loving this arc so far! I already loved Mimic as a villain but now seeing him behaving more stealthy and disguising as a innocent civilian is so cool to me. There are some things in this arc that I’m not a fan of and don’t make that much…sense..I guess but I’m still loving it! Number 1, I hate Lanolin. She started out as some recurring background character but now the comic writers have made her into and actual character. I get what they were doing with her, trying to make her this queen b@dass but I’m not satisfied with it. How could she trust some random guy (Duo) over her friends that she’s known for a while. She was such a jerk to both Silver and Whisper and yet Whisper still follows in Lanolin’s shadow after all she’s done to her. Whisper and Tangle derive so much better. Number 2, Duo faked his injury right? I saw that in the panel when Duo jumped off the floating chair, he fell on his arm really hard, probably putting all his body weight on it and…well…faking breaking his arm. I also see him in the hospital with a sling on his arm. Huh? Doctors can tell if you seriously injured yourself or not so….??How? How is he in the hospital? X-rays will literally tell you if he’s injured or not. If they noticed that he was perfectly fine, I bet this would make everyone really suspicious. For the most part, I love Duo(Mimic) tho. He’s such a great villain and is so underrated.
Throwin' this out there: IDW already has a couple of instances of 'stealth reviving' Archie characters by making new characters that fill the same niche without all of the old baggage-- Surge filling in the "evil green chaotic speedster that questions Sonic's ideas of heroism" niche as Scourge (just without the parallel universe schtick) and Lanolin filling the "more mature tactically-minded team leader" niche as Sally (without all the shipping drama). With that in mind, you think Clutch might be their attempt to do the same thing with Mammoth Mogul (just without all the chaos emerald/ancient walker nonsense)? Both give off Kingpin vibes, both are content to play the long game, both are more keen to manipulate and undermine rather than attack outright. Even if it's not deliberate, it's nice to see this villain archetype in the Sonic universe again.
Fair points and opinions, personally i feel like this is little Preparation Arc is very interesting so far and i will look forward to see where it leads to, assuming it’s finished and we only have the pay-off to look forward to. Speaking of which, i will also look forward to see your opinion on the Next Part of this Arc, i hope you take note of certain details that i noticed when i first went through the Issue.
remember when TailsTube said Humans live on big islands and Animals/Anthro's live on the small islands? then how come we never see humans in IDW comics?
I realise a lot of fans had issue with this turn for the story, Silver rejected and viewed as in the wrong while Mimic succeeds in his mission, but there's a couple of things we need to consider. Firstly, I think it might have been a misstep for the writers to show us right from the start what Mimic was doing. Had they kept it a secret that Duo was really him, leave it ambiguous as to why he left Silver to his death as he did, there would have been an interesting angle there. Leave the reader wondering instead of showing that Silver was just in the right. Secondly, Mimic is meant to be a master manipulator in a story aimed mainly at children. Sure, we adults could see through the ruse, and even criticise the characters who couldn't, but it's also a great way to show the mostly child audience just how terrible and dangerous people like that can be. So overall, I'd say the comic does pretty well at what it's setting out to do 😊
I do see where Lanolin was coming from. It wouldn't be good to let people that you've known for a long time run roughshod over someone you've just met and, really, how often does "he could be a shapeshifter" come up as a valid concern? That said, I also feel bad for Silver. Poor guy. 😔
The only way I could see them making this story work in hindsight is if it’s revealed later on that everyone actually did catch on to Mimic’s tricks and simply faked being on his side to get him to slip up, with Silver not being in on it to make it look convincing. It could be kinda like that scene in Mission Impossible Fallout with the masks.
I find it ironic that people thought Lanolin would cause trouble for the heroes at some point. As it turns out, she's (thankfully) not a traitor. Just a bit of a perfectionist and hardheaded. Also, are you really not going to mention the cameo of Lah and the other two ghosts?
It’s a shame that they didn’t iron out the plot holes with silvers story. It could have been so good if they just took it a little more seriously. Like whisper sees duo sabotage silver but doesn’t bring it up in the canyon? Lanolin runs a “back ground check” on duo but doesn’t bother to investigate him? Also it was only half an issue.
I'm curious though on why hearing that Whisper has a new Diamind Cutters team would offend Mimic so much. He looked kind of offended when Clutch told him that.
The reason that the Whisper and Silver quickly dropped their accusations against Duo after the chair incident is likely because they don't know that Mimic has a bigger plan besides finishing off Whisper and the new Diamond Cutters. They see no reason for Mimic to stick around in the Restoration for very long and establish himself there, so they assumed that he would easily drop his disguise and flee once the gig was up.
I never thought of it like that. That makes sense. Another thing is that Whisper knows how egotistical Mimic is. If he can help it, he’ll never lose a fight, and will try to win by any dirty means necessary to avoid harm to himself. So deliberately letting himself lose a fight and hurt his arm just to maintain a cover isn’t something Whisper thinks Mimic would do.
I could ramble on so much as a silver fan right now but there’s two things I wanna ramble about! First off, Lanolin. I do not hate her, she has no idea that’s mimic! How can I blame her? Sure she was kind of rude to silver but imagine this, a guy you don’t know starts accusing a new team member of being a criminal, stalks him and ‘hurts’ him. Wouldn’t you be annoyed at that as a person in charge? You’re supposed to make sure everything is under control and lead the team correctly so I can understand Lanolin’s point of view and I bet she will feel guilty upon finding out that Duo is in fact Mimic along with the other characters. So I don’t understand the hate, well I do but I don’t see the point in it. Lanolin isn’t a bad character and if anyone is hating her for this moment then I’d say that you should take time to think and realise that all this effort in hating her is. . . *No use.* Anywayyy my second thing I wanna ramble on about!! Sonic + Blaze interacting with Silver afterwards. Honestly found Sonic pretty hilarious at his moments and Blaze was great at comforting Silver. I found it pretty funny you considered it a ‘love triangle’ considering that Sonic compares the two to his relationship with Tails, which is platonic. I’ve honestly not enjoyed the ship Silver x Blaze but when it’s platonic I’ve absolutely loved it! Seeing them going over and actually staying in the current time period/dimension is great I was getting so tired of them constantly switching between whatever and now they’re actually gonna stay!! Okay rambling over lol
Honestly idgaf about the sheep let her be annoying in her own bubble I just wanna see more of the villains they're all pretty cool. Mimic Clutch and of course Surge & Kit (and hey I'm still holding on to hope that my favourite Egg loving fanboy the platyposh can come back in some way but if not at least he went out in a really cool way)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Clutch is my favorite of the new villains! The air of mystery and threat he carries is pretty cool. And man, poor Silver! The confrontation with Duo reminded me too much of what happened in Archie 235 with Sonic (hated that moment). But at least he gets to hang out with Blaze now. I do like how Sonic compares them to him and Tails. Again, I feel like Clean Sweep Inc could be a reference to "Operation: Clean Sweep" in Archie. Since that led to the near fall of the Freedom Fighters, this could hint to the possible fall of the Restoration. 😥
I just WISH the writers had near full control of all the characters. All of them feel like the "hey cool [popular character] is here" in a story that they aren't really part of. Could be a lot better. But at least its not as bad as the *other* comics
Who else hates it when you as the reader knows something that the characters don’t and you really WANT them to know which annoys you lol. This is pretty much like with Mimic.
I personally think the Diamond Cutters had "Duo" figured out the entire time and have only been playing along to figure out who he was working for. It's going to be epic when they spring the trap on him and in his attempt to escape once more, he unwittingly becomes the instigator of his own total destruction.
I’m ngl that stuff with lanolin was irritating a bit lol. I love the character and I know they are trying to build her out more, but you’d think with how much trauma they know mimic put her through, even she says she saw him that would instantly raise a red flag in my head. Even if she ends up being wrong it seems smarter to at the very least investigate into it as a leader, and if duo really was clean he’d have nothing to worry about. But I guarantee you if silver held him in the air and told him to talk mimic would crack eventually lmao
THANK YOU! Not only that, it's smarter as a friend to investigate as well! She's NOT a police officer, and she has LITERALLY the least experience of all the heroes! She should learn to better listen to her much more seasoned teammates! She even bullied Tangle into agreeing with her! I can't wait for her to be stung by her own stupidity!
its so poorly written but thats kinda how these sorts of plots are always like they know mimic they know what he can do if someone comes forward with info that someone on the team MAY be a disguised mass murdering bastard that should be taken seriously doubly so if that someone is a high ranking member (or should be a high ranking member)
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Had to come back days later from giggling randomly cause MEXICOCITY
Clutch is my favourite OC in the IDW canon. He actually has a defined role in the world and in the narrative, from a meta perspective, since he's a 'street level' villain in a world that just doesn't have those. Can't break out the superheroes for every little problem, so Clutch gives the side characters a managable threat. Plus, I adore his design.
What bothers me about this whole ordeal is how Whisper seemingly drops her suspicion completely just because Duo falls off a chair, when she's already seen him red-handedly (or footedly) sabotage Silver AND been told about the eye change. It doesn't make sense to drop such hard evidence over a "they *probably* wouldn't do that"
Ya I hope post Hiatus they retcon Whisper just giving up here and have the crying have been an act so Mimic could feel like he won but she intended to actually lower his guard to find out who he's working for since he never works for free. That would redeem the moment of her actually playing 5 dimensional chest with her long time enemy.
Because to her Duo is too much a coward and narcissistic to risk himself being injured and act so pathetic. Plus it’s how they went at him as Duo is also a big problem and that he erased all his files so nobody really knows how to track him.
The thing you have to keep in mind is how crazy this would all be if they're wrong. Yeah, as the audience we know they're right, but can you imagine how paranoid you'd feel if you went through with something like this and turned out to be wrong? When everyone you know is telling you you're being paranoid, when Whisper has been trying to trust people again, it's hard to know if you should trust your instincts or the people around you. Also, even in a world where this kind of power exists, you can't spend all your time looking out for something like this. At some point, you have to trust things as they are and try to trust the people around you. If whisper looked at every interaction as if the person she was talking to was potentially Mimic, she'd drive herself insane. We're getting a lot of leeway here as the audience, who know what's really going on. In the story, it makes sense that they back off after seemingly messing things up this bad.
Silver really is the Spiderman of the Sonic Verse.
By decree of the authors, Silver must Suffer.
So basically Miles Morales.
As everyone knows...it's no use resisting.
@@TronicSSJ07yeah
Whisper is Spiderman, Silver is Miles
ouch indeed how does he never see it coming?
This doesn’t really talk about silver being a spider-man but the funny thing is when they were making silver they based him off of trunks from dbz. And I shit you not, when they were making the about or whatever in sonic 06 they just said, “Basically trunks from dbz”
Poor Silver. I feel so bad for him. I would love to see him join these girls. Also the fact that Mimic is like a an octopus ditto is very interesting, twisted, and funny. Although I love that Silver and Blaze are going off on an adventure together.
I think Silver will still end up on the team, finding purpose in the new diamond cutters, assuming they all survive Mimic…
Honestly I like to see him paired up with Marine and Blaze
I hope silver gets more time in the comics and main games i love the dude
@@bennewbury2572oh god they better not kill off anyone i like lmao
Archie silver was the goat also the mimic reminds Me of a certain knuckles clan member who summoned dark God enerjak
Silver: Can we talk about the mail? Please Sonic I've been dying to talk about the mail with you all day okay!
Every day, I see this name, "Ivo Robotnik"
@@markerikson7423 any where i go. i see his face *and shows sonic or any character*
His name keeps coming up over, and over, and over again!
Looks like Silver got caught up in another "traitor" arc. At least Sonic's not screaming at him this time
not just the traitor arc, that story and what follows afterwards could be (in my eyes) the start of a new king Naugus/ Nicole Bigotry story saga starting from issue 219 to online issue 253, with all the emotional pain and background deception and Lanolin being like the councillors, Rosemary Prower especially (but with exceptions from Rotor and Uncle Chuck), from issue 224. look up archie and archie online if you have no idea what i'm talking about. I compare Lanolin with Rosemary because although i have reason to be irritated with them, i somewhat understand their points of view and have hope that they'd redeem themselves, Rosemary's now possible due to archie online
The biggest problem with this arc is it feels like everyone involved needed to lose several points of I.Q. in order for it to work. Which is honestly depressingly common with this trope.
"Hey, we know you've saved the world several times and have never lied a day in your life, but we're just gonna trust this completely new and suspicious person over you because conflict."
I don't think I've ever seen a story that pulled this trope off tactfully.
How is he suspicious tho... He literally did nothing suspicious that Lanolin and Tangle noticed. Whisper is just being whisper again, silver was just ashamed a bit
@@ДюсековИльяс I mean. MAYBE his excuse about leaving Silver could be justifiable, but like I would be suspicious in this situation.
I think the core problem is this is suppose to be dramatic irony, but it comes of as blatantly manipulative dramatic irony. Where we can tell the writers want us to feel a certain way, and that takes us out of the comic. That's definitely the problem for me here.
I feel like this is mainly a problem with this trope in general. You want a secret thug messing with things behind the scenes, but that becomes hard when you have characters who are already shown to be people smart.
Here is my main issue, you could make the excuse that Lanolin is newer to this so she doesn’t have the best read on other people, however we know from the Metal Virus arc that she wasn’t turned into a Zombot (at least until Angel Island), meaning for the whole story she got to see Silver be a hero, another character who didn’t get zomboted. (I don’t even think Silver even got infected.) My point here is that Lanolin got to see first hand how much of a hero Silver was, but now doesn’t trust him when he thinks someone is suspicious.
@@ДюсековИльяс
Yeah, in-universe, it all checks out.
The pieces all fit together, especially with Mimic pushing Silver to be uncharacteristically boastful, and then almost dropping those boulders.
I'd be kinda peeved too, in Lanolin's shoes, if my group invited Mr. Shining over there to a training sesh and things escalated like that.
They really should have taken that angle as writers. Maybe if Lanolin had a close call with one of those boulders, or had her Wisp Bell damaged (making her a bit less capable of fulfilling her duties, but technically fine) her irritation would be much more justified.
This just really needed another couple drafts! The core series of events basically works, but there's not enough consideration for how the reader feels in response.
Which leads me to think they had mimic pegged from day one and are only playing along to find out who his real boss is before springing the trap on him and in his attempt escape instead ends up like Starline and causes his own demise.
My issue with these issues is that Whisper's mask records what she sees, and she was wearing it when Duo tripped Sliver. I was waiting for it to be brought up but they never do. Edit: Finally addressed in Issue #71
Oh... oh no ..
That's a real bad plothole
Oh dear that’s a problem.
She must have kinda forgot about that amidst all the commotion. But I guess that just means she's bound to bring it up in the next part of this arc and show the other girls what she saw!
@@Birdsflight44there's actually a couple you can think of that the writer forgot
Does it automatically record or does she has to press a button?
25:00 Silver looks so done with this moment with the wilted hair, crossed everything, and furrowed brow.
"D'you'mind?"
To be fair I understand why Lanolin felt the need to kick silver out the group and her actions durning the comic. Lanolin knows nothing about silver, his character, or anything of that nature. Think she only worked with him once, and even durning that time silver was mostly with shadow durning most of the event.
Im more so disappointed in Whisper and Tangle actions who outright know silver as a person. You’d think they would put forth more of an effort to stick up for silver instead of duo who they just met like a couple days ago. It’s not a good light for them, especially considering how quickly Duo is just accepted and believed instantly despite being some new dude no one knows. You’d think Lanolin would keep a watchful eye on Duo as well as silver. Though she immediately trusted duo and put all her suspicions on silver instantly
It doesn’t help that we KNOW Duo is Mimic
That’s not true. Lanolin wasn’t really a character yet, but we saw her during the metal virus. Meaning she actively saw Silver during that time, due to her not getting infected at least until the metal virus, and silver was the only (hero) character to not get infected for the entire story arc.
I just want them to use her as a direct analog for all of the consequences Sonic should be facing for his choices of forgiving people and accepting everyone.
Sonic can't do that because he's burdened with all those main character stipulations, but she can grapple with having to deal with "reformed" villains, second guessing every rando and worrying about the egos of everyone with superpowers.
She messed up here, but Sonic could be said to have done so much worse with the Mr. Tinker/Eggman situation, yet that just can't be discussed
@@Bofrab dude that makes it even worse, she believes a guy who JUST joined, *coincidentally* at the *exact same time* as genocidal maniacs, over someone she knows personally and saved the world 3 times
@@Birdsflight44- expect he was completely blaming himself during the MV arc and almost got himself killed by Surge because of his lack of responsibility after he learned the imposter’s origin.
Sonic got his sense of giving people chances back after dealing with Mecha Sonic because he was sick and tired of people saying they can’t change who they are and frustrated at thoes who think they can’t block a path themselves.
Even then he’s constantly been thinking of his actions but refuses to give up his principles out of fear just as he told Zavok as he thought back on how he almost destroyed the world and how many people kept telling him to drop the principles.
A neat detail about Duo trying to convince the Diamond Cutters is he does a gesture towards Whisper which shows his palms, knowing that Whisper knows his suction cups are something he has during disguises. It’s an unconscious way to convince her to trust him.
The Sonic, Blaze, and Silver interaction was amazing. I just love all these goofy animals.
16:16
And Sonics Simping Ghost Girlfriend is still stalking him…
Unlike Amy and Sally.😆
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the night of the werehog reference in that panel
nice reference
Wow… this many likes proves that I’m not alone at this… 😳
@@juliemesser2053Amy does stalk him sometimes.
What I think could have been fun is instead of Silver getting kicked out for not trusting Duo, what if instead Silver didn’t immediately accuse him, and both Silver and Duo have this fake friendship where they pretend to be buddy buddy, but they are both secretly trying to keep an eye on the other to see what their gonna pull. Duo watching over Silver because he’s scared of his power, and Silver watching Duo due to him being left for dead.
For a better idea of what I’m talking about I feel like Jonathan and Dio’s “friendship” fits the idea I’m trying to get. Both pretending to be close brothers, but are both suspicious of the other, and the other knows it because it’s pretty obvious to the other person.
That would require a more deep dive into Silver as a Character that the Sega overlords wouldn't want.
@@dpolaristar4634 true
WAS NOT EXPECTING JOJO LMAAOO
Instead of the "Jonathan and Dio" Route they went the Death 13 route
Instead they took the D3ath 13 route
I'm always happy for more Sonic speed reading, but seriously: Lanolin REALLY lost some points with me after the way she did Silver (especially when we know that he's right), and I hope he gets a comeback.
Also, always happy to see Surge and Kit come back🤩
That we know he's right doesn't really matter. She doesn't and from where she stood, he was assaulting her teammate.
This arc is probably the first major hiccup I’ve had with this comic series, I’m not one of those people hating completely on Lanolin, but I’m just upset that in that issue EVERYONE is being stupid in that scenario except for Mimic. Like Mimic takes a dive to keep his cover and whisper starts believing that it can’t be him now because Mimic is to “prideful”? Like, what? He’s an infiltrator he can play a part. Lanolin also probably should have listened to Silver and Whisper a little bit more since both of them, especially Silver, were a major part in getting rid of the metal virus, although they should have tried to give her their evidence before they got into a confrontation. Honestly I feel real bad for Whisper right now, getting gaslight about Mimic and then basically being forced to let Surge and Kit into the diamond cutters, poor girl. Regardless, I can’t wait to see how it ends Clutch has formed quite a gang.
Whisper doesn't actually KNOW mimic and the lengths he's willing to go for a part. The only knowledge she has of his personality was WHEN he was playing a part. She has no idea who Mimic actually is as a person. And Lanolin TRIED to listen to silver and whisper, she even asked them to talk about it as a team but Whisper, who was tunnel-visioned by her trauma, didn't listen and negotiations went out the window. And honestly? I think she really had no reason to listen to them after they had admitted that they had zero evidence and were threatening a new recruit just off of a hunch.
@@johnfishee1048 I personally feel like there was something immediately fishy about even his interview. What kinda guy hops on the good side of 3 different people he supposedly knows nothing about, not to mention immediately knowing where these guys even meet up? And then there's the "incident" at the training grounds, where Silver losing his balance over seemingly nothing should already be suspicious, let alone Duo saying he was gonna call for help when if he was, he already would've.
And that's without getting into the can of worms that is both Tangle and Whisper knowing Silver more than Lanolin does. And also that Lanolin's own investigation is tailing the guy that's helped the Restoration when it was still the Resistance, and NOT the dude that just joined on a dime? What?
There were red flags aplenty.
@@johnfishee1048 I’m not saying Lanolin is in the wrong, I’m not saying anyone is in the wrong, but none of them are thinking rationally. Whisper has the video footage of Duo kicking Silver from their training, Silver saw Duo’s eyes change. What they should have done was wait for a moment where it was just the 4 of them alone away from Duo and then tell Lanolin and Tangle about this. Then they could have gotten permission to prove it somehow and look into the matter. Then the story could have found a way to make Whisper’s evidence seem inconsequential and and get Silver off of the Diamond Cutters without the story having to bend over backwards so Mimic can have an easy play through of Among Us.
@@DmanDmythDlegend You're under the assumption that Whispers mask records things 24/7. It has never been said to do so, and the recording function was mainly used for the other diamond cutter members to review missions and share and study their perspectives. Whisper had no reason to use it during their training due to it only being HER perspective and not everyone elses.
While Whisper did see Mimic kick silver, it still isn't enough evidence to prove it was mimic as it could've been anybody trying to spy in or just a random person who just dislikes Silver. Also, silver himself didn't even know that Mimic kicked him.
Which leads me to think they had mimic pegged from day one and are only playing along to find out who his real boss is before springing the trap on him and in his attempt escape instead ends up like Starline and causes his own demise.
This Duo storyline is the exact same as the Bendy episode of Fosters Home. Liar revealed stories are the lowest hanging fruit to me and they're just a frustrating slog i have to wait for them to get it over with.
Liar reveals can be good, but only when they are a mystery. At least in my opinion.
Making it a twist or making the reader have to pay attention and discover the true liar together with the characters.
Problem is that we already know it is Mimic, Wisper should have a recording of the tripping due to her mask, and nobodies is believing the two heroes that never done anything wrong so far.... Also using the line "do better or be better" made her kinda sound like a Karen to me
@@LucasR.OExample of a good Liar Reveal storyline: Over The Hedge.
The story doesn't do a whole argument breakup scene, but rather has RJ look back at the people he hurt and feel remorseful. He the decides to save them, leading to a comedic misunderstanding scene where the others keep denying him entry to the van.
It's probably the best example of a liar revealed story in my opinion
Duolingo
lol @@DrawingBoi-24
I wish the Mario franchise had comics like these, where we’d get more from underused characters
Super Mario adventures comic. Super Mario-kun manga series and is still ongoing since early 90s
Yes and I wish the movie did a better job fleshing everything out as well.
Maybe then we’d actually be able to see rpg characters again.
@@dreamsdeep1076Oh? How good is it?
@@Bofrabthe comedy is good
They could've done a more convincing job to make "Duo" just some guy. Like, if you'd missed a single issue, you wouldn't know for sure that he really was Mimic.
I think reading silver and blaze's relationship as a bit of a love traingle kinda misses the point. I always read it as silver and blaze having a sibling-like relationship, thats why sonic compares them to him and tails!
19:48 The Spike wisp usually looks pissed for no exact reason so seeing it make that expression is hillarious
Huh, off topic but I never noticed just how many comic original characters have fingerless gloves, Tangle, Lanolin, Clutch, hell Minic doesn't have gloves at all
Certainly not important but it makes me think back to to when Sega rejected the idea of giving Boom Sonic fingerless gloves
Finally, someone else is thinking about this! For me, Mimic having a glove ON looks a little weird, and Duo having a glove OFF is weird. Could just be me.
That Mexicocity line was the hardest laugh I've had in a long time. Out of nowhere and it killed me lol
Maybe whisper has some gambit shes playing at giving mimic a reverse false sense of security, let silver take the fall(for acting to hasty) and lets lanolin kno on the sly as mimic would believe he has the wool over her eyes as well. The fight, crying, and yielding to fault is a ruse, silver just happened to be the loose end.
True maybe it is implausible that she'd do it that way, especially with a friend, but i think shes had plenty of experience with him to have ideas
Then again, i dont really want another bout of lanolin doubting herself and whisper endangering her friends, to maybe its just willing theyre all in on it.
SN: heres to Mimic getting outstead, but then Surge n Kit could intervene but choose not to and turn on him, but only to hold up the ruse and gain their trust....
Feel like i stumbled into something..
Oh, think the three of them had Mimic figured out on day one, they're just pulling him along so they can also capture his boss. I think when Mimic gets ousted instead of Surge and Kit turning him he makes a mistake while trying to escape that ends with the traitor meeting the same fate as Dr. Starline and while Whisper is stunned that her old friends have been avenged all Tangle could muster would be "big oof."
I loved that Mexicocity joke😂
Hydrocity joke!😆🤣
@@juliemesser2053 yep
Almost choked on my damn breakfast hearing that lol
@@baronscura lol
The whole silver and duo situation can be fixed by one Word cameras
That Silver conspiracy board gives me heavy Pepe Silvia vibes, and I'm all for it.
Yes, that is what the reference
18:11 That’s a Ghost of the Future reference! Those are Silver’s sisters in the top left corner! The one in the wheel chair actually calls Silver “Fern Face” in the comic. I love that!
Yep saw it too literally had a "Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen" reaction when I saw them, that sneaking fox
Lanolin thinks everyone is an unprovoked liar lmao
Honestly the only issue I have with Lanolin in this mini-arc is why the hell wouldn’t she at least investigate Whisper & Silver’s concerns? Like if you’re gonna listen to anyone, it’s the person who’s had the most experience with the shapeshifter-
Because she already knew along with Tangle, the two of them and Whisper would have known since day one and Silver was unfortunately part of their counterplan to not only capture Mimic but his boss as well. Lanolin would have had to put Silver down in order to keep their counter ruse up and ultimately make Mimic have a Starline like breakdown.
Seriously, she's been in the resistance for less time than Tangle and Whisper and is a less experienced hero than Silver yet she acts like she knows better and should call the shots.
I understand the skepticism, but cmon Lanolin...
Because she saw two heroes attacking an innocent recruit without the proper evidence to justify said action( no I don’t think Whisper records everything 24/7 otherwise she would have shown her team most of all Tangle).
Yes Silver is a hero but those who want Sonic to take “responsibility” for his but hate it because he’s experienced it applies to Silver as well.
She’s an idiot. That’s why.
16:16 i'm not sure if everyone saw this, but if you look in the top left, you can see the 3 ghosts from the sonic unleashed animation spying on him and blaze, and god just seeing that reminds me of when the power was out when i was a kid, and i had the video downloaded on my mom's phone, i always got a few laughs watching it
P.S: 17:35 also that second i saw that silver theory photo, i immediately thought of the conspiracy guy meme
P.S2: alright i think i'm getting annoying but i swear last time, in 23:03 if you look at the hospital bed duo is in, on the sides (idk if this is intentional) you can see the sonic 2 level title card, just wanted to point that out
Also Silver getting show offy reminds me of Sonic, honestly it is more likely that Silver is related to Sonic than Shadow (who after the chaos began was caught by gone and was imprisoned afterwards)
Well, you also have to consider that Silver is 14. He is a kid and we rarely get to see him acting like a kid.
I was waiting for Clutch to start filling the space left by other secondary villains from Archie(and now the hole left by Starline), and this is a cool opening arc for that, making great use of his character
Very much a Kingpin-style scheme, having to lean harder on the trickery and lower level villains since he's not himself a superpowered being like Mammoth Mogul was
Because we don't see Whisper have any punishments onscreen, so I imagine she'll be cleaning their office for the next few weeks, I'm pretty sure it's the kind of assignment Lanolin would give her for her insubordination .
I assume Jewel just gave her a stern warning because she realized Whisper may be right and wanted to find out for sure if Duo was Mimic before punishing her, and even if Duo was innocent, she knows why Whisper lashed out because of her trauma.
I missed your speed readings so much. It helps summarize things for me easily :')
🎵Come along! You belong! Feel the fizz of Chaos Cola!~🎵
Wouldn't be surprised if they had a cult from that later down the line >w>
24:40 This is how you do humor interrupting a sincere moment right. And it’s immediately followed by Sonic teasing Blaze and Silver in a way that’s pretty true to his character, too!
Unfortunately in stories like this a lot of characters come off as stupid. Thats the major problem with Across the Spiderverse.
GOOD VIDEO, did anyone else notice 2 characters that look like SILVER's sisters in the fan comic Ghosts of the Future, they appear when Silver is "hidden", one is blue and the other is orange in a wheelchair, HOW FUN
I wanna play Devils Advocate for Lanolin a little, i think shes just overprotective over a newby, she joined the Restoration so noone else would feel as helpless and she did, and to her, Duo is someone with the same goal, so when she sees 2 of her team members attack him, she might have took it a little personally.
That being said, dont ever be mean to my boy again sheepgirl
I don't think that's it; I think Lanolin, Tangle and Whisper had "Duo" figured out on day one and are only playing along to spring a trap on him and Clutch. This is going to end with Clutch blaming Mimic for everything, Mimic trying to escape his employer's wrath yet again only for him to make a mistake that results in the original Diamond Cutters finally being avenged when their betrayer ends up accidently becoming his own executioner.
Gonna play Devil's Advocate further. Silver and Whisper were *really* stupid in their approach to expose "Duo."
Like, you had so many options and you chose to assault him in public with no proof? Come on, yall have to realize how stupid their decision was.
@@Richforce1
that would be the stupidest plot twist ive ever seen.
@@mrmelonman2893 agreed. either Whisper figures it out from either remembering her mask's recording values (providing it WAS recording) or seeing the similarities between Duo and Slinger, or Whisper pretends to fall for Mimic's act and comes up with a counter-con on the spot. another way Duo could be figured out is if something he does, like get a pat on the side, contradicts his 'injuries' as he won't react in pain due to 'bruises', providing that he WAS feigning injury.
I was waiting for the heel turn where Dou says"Ha Ha Ha, I'm so anxious to rip you apart!"
"He's just some guy"
Hedgehog village audibly gasps
I honestly hate the, "new character arrives to make the others turn on each other," plotlines because they're *always the freaking same.* You know Mimic is eventually going to get found out and Lanolin will apologize to Silver and Whisper, and it's just going to make her doubt her role as a leader more. Also, can the writers let poor Whisper go through one comic without putting her through the emotional wringer in some way?! She suffered enough with getting hospitalized and dealing with the Shadow Androids!
Surge and Kit are honestly the only reason I'm still paying attention. I hope that they'll at least get some sort of information about their past, regardless on whether they join Sonic's team or not.
I understand. But that's how Sonic is.
We all know Sonic and his friends would survive and defeat Neo Metal, Metal Virus, and Surge's rampage arc.
It's just fun to see how they do it.
For this comic arc, I admit it's a bit meh. But I also like that they're trying something new.
@@BrakSplashI'm hoping they'll throw something out of left field, but I'm not optimistic.
@@delphoxhoopa7289 it'll be extremely hard to. The last time that was a possibility was in Archie, and that... I guess, backfired.
@delphoxhoopa7289
Mimic's plot would have been so much better if we didn't SEE Mimic become Duo.
The comic would be far more entertaining if we never once see Duo transform. The whole time Duo always looked nervous and frightened.
At face value we would question if that's actually Mimic, or a victim, and Mimic is someone else entirely on the other side of restoration.
@@BrakSplashEXACTLY!
I really don't feel like engaging with fandoms, and I was never really a part of the Sonic fandom, but I do feel like these comics are more complete with some fandom context involved, seeing as the best parts of Sonic media are influenced, if not at least partly made by Sonic fans these days.
These videos are a great supplement, and you do tend to leave room for dissenting opinions from your own, which I do appreciate, too.
Man, have to admit. Between Rough and Tumble, ********, and mimic, Mimic has to take it for my favorite new antag.
Don'tcha dare stumble,
Or you might grumble.
For the best antag is clearly:
*ROUGH AND TUMBLE!*
I wonder what the consequences of Mimic's infiltration as well as Surge and Kit's presence will be.
I hope that it has an big impact on the story similarly to the metal virus saga but in its own way
My guy Silver still getting clowned on by everyone back at SEGA😂
I enjoyed these issues, art was spectacular (especially for Blaze and Sonics trip and the ending conversation), and it’s always fun to see these characters interact.
While I don’t particularly ship Blaze and Sonic, it’s nice to see Blaze showing more emotions. And of course her conversation with Silver was great. As usual, Blaze shows why she’s one of the best characters in the franchise
This, in my opinion, is IDW Sonic's first bad story. There are so many things of varying relevance wrong with it, I might as well go full CinemaSins here:
Mimic randomly deciding that Silver in particular is a threat and trying to take him out on the first mission. Why? Silver doesn't even know Mimic exists. Unless Mimic somehow pulled a Batman Gambit and predicted Lanolin would want these random rocks brought close enough to crush Whisper, there's no reason for him to go all out like that against someone he doesn't even care for.
Speaking of going all out, Mimic letting his disguise slip in front of Silver. Again, why? He literally just acknowledged Silver is a force to be reckoned with, why wouldn't he make the extra effort to stay concealed in case he still makes it out? Issue 64 tries to spin it so that his disguise apparently stops working when he's in danger (which is a really stupid weakness in of itself, I hope that's not actually what they're going with moving forward) but Mimic looked far more scared for his life *before* his disguise slipped while when it actually did, he just looked smug as he calmly left. Not even a reaction to Silver seeing his eyes change, heck, technically we don't even know if he *realized* Silver could see them. That's either poor visual storytelling or Mimic being a moron.
Whisper seeing Mimic trip Silver. Not only does that, once again, make Mimic look like a complete idiot for not being more careful with his assassination plot to the point where his actual target could just freaking SEE him commit his nefarious deeds, but also HER MASK RECORDS EVERYTHING SHE SEES! If she saw Mimic trip Silver during a training session, there should be video evidence of it that they could have shown Lanolin when she was asking for proof. Never addressed. It would have been so easy to just have Whisper believe Silver because she trusts him without her ever seeing anything. That would even solve the problem of only Silver being kicked off the team in the end, but nope, not what we got.
The fact that Mimic would have suckers on his hands and feet also goes completely unaddressed. No ploy to put him in a situation where he has to take off his mittens, nothing. Mimic's suckers clearly aren't a non-diegetic visual only the viewer can see because Mimic makes an active effort to hide them. How is Whisper not thinking of this simple telltale sign when she's had all day to think of a plan? I always assumed the suckers were how she identified him when he was disguised as Sonic, but apparently this basic, decently visible feature of his power is completely unknown to her.
I get that in a plot like this someone has to be the moron who falls for the villain's ploy and Lanolin is the only one of these characters where it wouldn't have inherently pissed people off since she's new, but man, the writers really seem to be overestimating how much people care for this girl who appeared in a few issues in the background and then did an off-screen 180 from civilian helper to full-on military discipline soldier. She was in one arc where she spent most of her time trapped and out of action, now we're supposed to see her as an equal to Silver and Whisper in this story and… She just objectively isn't. Her lecturing Whisper on what being a soldier is all about is downright infuriating. Whisper is a war veteran whose colleagues were killed in action during the freaking world war against Eggman. Lanolin didn't even pick up a Wispon until after the Zombot arc, she is by far the least experienced member of the Diamond Cutters, yet the writing just kind of pronounced her team leader after her first mission because… Sally was a leader idk. This is a background character that just stumbled into the spotlight with a sense of importance that does NOT match what we've actually seen of her and that's why people are mad at her. Her occasionally popping up in the background since Issue 2 is not a substitute for getting the audience to care about her as a character. The worst part is that I can already smell the post-Mimic reveal annual side story where she's gonna mope and dope about how she has to make it up to Whisper and Silver which is probably gonna come up with a bunch of excuses to justify why she acted the way she did and… I just don't care. I was already critical of Belle's introduction potentially bloating the hero cast and the writing had to put in a lot of legwork to win me over with her. Lanolin blew it real quick and I just don't think she can even attempt to bounce back from that without her taking up spotlight that'd be better spend on other characters.
This is more of a Fridge Logic thing, but if Mimic is pretending to have a broken arm from Silver's attack, won't the first thing they give him at the hospital be an x-ray? Octopuses don't have bones, a freaking x-ray seems like the perfect device to expose him while disguised. Can he shapeshift bones that fool radiation? This story is making me ask way too many technical questions about a power that really shouldn't be any more complicated than Espio's invisibility.
Why is it so beyond Whisper that Mimic could be feigning injury as part of an infiltration job? She learned that this guy is a professional liar, betrayer and killer with zero qualms first hand. We're just straight up not getting an explanation on this one here.
Only Silver being voted off the team when the plan was Whisper's idea is… a choice. I personally think this one is actually one of the less egregious parts compared to the rest, but people do keep pointing it out when they list things wrong with this story. To me, it feels more pragmatic than anything else: If Whisper got sent away alongside him instead of crying on Tangle's shoulder again, then the scene with Blaze couldn't happen because Silver and Whisper would be talking to each other instead of Silver sulking alone. If Whisper suffered the same consequences and got kicked out of the Diamond Cutters, the whole team might as well disband because Tangle would 100% follow her, and the writers can't disband the team because they were just formed in the last arc. Also, I really hope the background characters' whispers about Silver's powers is NOT the writers being pragmatic, I really don't want to see another post-Iron Nicole situation.
The scene with Silver and Blaze seems nice… until the thought creeps up on you… Was this endgame? Is this why all this stupid bs with Silver I just read through had to happen? Is this a darling that failed to be killed in the writing room? The ambiguity of the scene really doesn't help the sinking feeling that it may have been written first. At no point does Silver say "I broke an innocent guy's arm because I thought he was a villain in disguise which lead to me being kicked out of the cool team I joined to make a change with." with Blaze actually responding to that, it's just a wishiwashi "I messed things up again, sadge, what is my purpose?" and Blaze is just like "Don't sadge, Silver. Make small changes, they matter!" and Silver literally says "Thanks Blaze, you always know what to say." and then Sonic does a freaking Greek chorus thing and verbally validates what a good pair they make. It really reads like one of those feel-good fan comics where the artist's favorite character is angsting about something ambiguous and another character steps in to emotionally support them. This is a whole genre among fan artists because it just feels good to write and read. I wouldn't even mind that too much if it wasn't becoming the Silver equivalent of Whisper crying so often that it loses its impact. The IDW comics seem to have an affinity for putting in these out of action pep talks with Silver in particular, it was literally the premise of BOTH of his annual stories. I can't think of any other character in this comic so far who got taken aside for a lil heart to heart more than once and Silver isn't even a regular like Tails or Amy. He's also never very proactive in these pep talk scenes. Unlike say, Blaze coming to Knuckles for guardian-specific advice, with Silver it's always other characters coincidentally stumbling across him looking sad and proceeding to insert themselves into the situation, which removes all agency from Silver to open up by himself. I already know some Silver fans who don't like his IDW portrayal because his characterization is closer to the internet's soft boi perception of the character than the way he actually acted in games. I'm a bit on the fence on this one. On one hand, I want to see Sonic characters opening up and supporting each other and that's part of why I read these comics, so I don't necessarily mind characters being more vulnerable than in the games where they're mostly just meant to look cool. On the other hand, I don't need one particular character receiving the same emotional beat with a new coat of paint over and over again, I don't want the emotional beats to feel disconnected from the story at hand and I especially don't condone them happening as the end result of the writing doing nonsensical backflips.
I won't lie, these issues were given an inherently frustrating plot handle and I wouldn't be surprised if they just weren't allowed to do certain things that would have made it less frustrating, such as say, restructuring the plot a bit and not actually confirming Duo's true identity until that ending scene with him in the hospital so the reader won't know for sure that Lanolin is 100% wrong as they are reading that part. However, other problems like forgetting about Whisper's mask are blunders that can't just be explained away. This story wasn't it, I hope they cut their losses and make the best of it.
@rainpooper7088 Thank you so much for writing this comment, you really put everything I wanted to say about this into words, glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I love how during all of this the magenta wisp just doesn’t care
Huge fan of the return of the 'Mexicocity' joke. Big thing you've got going for you. :)
I hope when this is over that Lanolin apologises to Silver HARD. That's it.
babe wake up it’s speed reading time
I do love a good electronic computer game apologiser video
i love how the writers have handled silver so far but man, these issues just weren't the best. lanolin being so defensive of duo at every turn, whisper dropping all suspicion without any real explanation despite knowing that duo kicked silver, it's honestly some of the worst writing i've seen in the comic series
Don't forget that Lanolin death glared at Tangle to make her agree with her! She's a straight up bully!
16:16 As a Sonic Unleashed fan, I'm so happy to see that Night of the Werehog reference. I loved that short.
To be fair towards Lanolin during the fight between her and Whisper. Whisper did grab her arm first and Lanolin had every right to protect herself. I can understand Tangle's feelings on the matter too, deciding to remain next to Whisper when Silver tries to rope her in as an eyewitness. But it doesn't change how poorly executed that scene played out. Almost everyone there should've trusted Silver's judgment and instead, turned their backs on him, even Jewel did.
"It was no secret that Duo was Mimic. They weren't keeping this a secret."
Oh really? Maybe I'm a smol brain because I assumed it was because he shared Mimic's color scheme and his name is "Duo". :p
Lanolin:”You have any evidence he’s Mimic.”
Whisper:”I literally saw him kick Silver and leave him for dead.”
Lanolin:”Oh…”
I think it's dumb how Whisper was so easily deceived.
This wasn't a great way to endear Lanolin to the fanbase. Its one thing for her to want to give Duo a chance, its another thing to completely ignore character who are more seasoned than her saying something is up. And the way she just talks down to Silver like she's his mom is a bad look no matter how you slice it. Had she been written to be a bit weary while also choosing to give Duo a chance, that would be one thing, but she just goes all in on siding with Duo, who WE know is Mimic. Just makes her look dumb.
Another thing. This comic needs to figure out what they want to do with Whisper and Tangle beyond simply having Whisper have breakdown every five seconds only for Tangle to be her shoulder to cry on. It got old a while ago.
I mostly concur, except for the fact that it was on Silver and Whisper to provide evidence, which they had on hand in the form of Whisper's mask recording, and they straight up didn't use it. Or they could've just... pulled "Duo"'s gloves off to reveal Mimic's suction cups... but they didn't do that. They instead decided to attack what everyone thinks to be a regular citizen IN PUBLIC instead of pulling Lanolin to the side and give her their suspicions in private. I do agree Lanolin should lighten up and listen to her teammates more, but the blunder that Silver and Whisper pulled just can't be overlooked.
This story could've massively benefitted from not revealing Mimic until after the incident, because it'd create a much more grey conflict of assumptions, but because we know who he really is, we just have to watch everyone flounder around and it makes them all look stupid.
@@tastethepainbow
I agree.
There's definitely a time and place for when you reveal information to the reader that the characters don't know, just to make the readers squirm. Its the point of Dramatic Irony.
The removal of all doubt about Lanolin's wrongness without any anticipation or hope that things could be okay (because they ARE going to be okay because Sonic comic- so there's no point to her behavior but to be an obstacle) basically makes this situation into Dramatic Irony's loser cousin.
I can't say she completely ignored them. She asked if they had proof.
When they admitted they didn't she told them to leave Duo alone. The last straw was when Silver tried to trip up Duo while he was leaning on the railing.
I'll admit if we didn't know Duo was Mimic, even we would suspect something might be off with Silver and Whisper.
@@tastethepainbowyeah
@@BrakSplashI can't really blame Lanolin here. They both really look like they are attacking an innocent person who no reasons and putting him in big danger.
Worst than that, with his powers, Silver could have injured anybody that was gathering to look at the scene! He was acting very irrationaly and with no proof to back it off, I understand that she puts him off the team.
Maybe something that was missing would be a scene were Lanolin, Whisper and Silver talk about it all together but really, if I was Lanolin here, I dunno how I would act.
Never have I thought that we would have an adaptation to that Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends through Sonic, but at least it is with an imposter trying to infiltrate and not being just a jerk for the sake of it.
Fucking _Bendy_
Silver hanging out with Tangle, Wisper, Lanolin, and Mimic kinda gave me vibes of the Secret Freedom Fighters for some reason (for as long as he was part of the group anyway). Silver being part of a smaller group that didn’t have a grasp on things.
I want silver to say it's no use to mimic
I'd rather Mimic accidently offs himself while trying to escape and with Whisper in stunned silence that her old team has been avenged only Tangle could bring herself to mutter something, that something being "big oof."
3:47 this is what perfect cell drinks
What flavor?
@@DrChaotix21 Pure perfection.
Is just so exhausting how this seems like a blatant attempt to make Lanolin look cool, not even Mimic, but her, Silver isn't the only one affected, Whisper, from all people, a trained fighter that was able to fight hand-to-hand combat with Overdrive Surge just gets tossed down and crying when Lanolin is involved, Silver gets schoolded as if she knew him better, it just feels unwarranted, the hatred wasn't because she schoolded Silver alone, but her bossy smart ass attitude is just insufferable to be honest, she doesn't seem like a cool person to be around but like someone who would try to look down on everyone to make her look cool
I know I’m a little late to this.
I’m honestly loving this arc so far! I already loved Mimic as a villain but now seeing him behaving more stealthy and disguising as a innocent civilian is so cool to me. There are some things in this arc that I’m not a fan of and don’t make that much…sense..I guess but I’m still loving it!
Number 1, I hate Lanolin. She started out as some recurring background character but now the comic writers have made her into and actual character. I get what they were doing with her, trying to make her this queen b@dass but I’m not satisfied with it. How could she trust some random guy (Duo) over her friends that she’s known for a while. She was such a jerk to both Silver and Whisper and yet Whisper still follows in Lanolin’s shadow after all she’s done to her. Whisper and Tangle derive so much better.
Number 2, Duo faked his injury right? I saw that in the panel when Duo jumped off the floating chair, he fell on his arm really hard, probably putting all his body weight on it and…well…faking breaking his arm. I also see him in the hospital with a sling on his arm. Huh? Doctors can tell if you seriously injured yourself or not so….??How? How is he in the hospital? X-rays will literally tell you if he’s injured or not. If they noticed that he was perfectly fine, I bet this would make everyone really suspicious.
For the most part, I love Duo(Mimic) tho. He’s such a great villain and is so underrated.
Gotta love the Sonic 06 reference when Silver grabs chairs and tables very similar to those he throws at Sonic in their boss fight
Throwin' this out there: IDW already has a couple of instances of 'stealth reviving' Archie characters by making new characters that fill the same niche without all of the old baggage-- Surge filling in the "evil green chaotic speedster that questions Sonic's ideas of heroism" niche as Scourge (just without the parallel universe schtick) and Lanolin filling the "more mature tactically-minded team leader" niche as Sally (without all the shipping drama). With that in mind, you think Clutch might be their attempt to do the same thing with Mammoth Mogul (just without all the chaos emerald/ancient walker nonsense)? Both give off Kingpin vibes, both are content to play the long game, both are more keen to manipulate and undermine rather than attack outright. Even if it's not deliberate, it's nice to see this villain archetype in the Sonic universe again.
Fair points and opinions, personally i feel like this is little Preparation Arc is very interesting so far and i will look forward to see where it leads to, assuming it’s finished and we only have the pay-off to look forward to.
Speaking of which, i will also look forward to see your opinion on the Next Part of this Arc, i hope you take note of certain details that i noticed when i first went through the Issue.
0:36
Truly hilarious joke, had me cackling for a minute! 🤣
remember when TailsTube said Humans live on big islands and Animals/Anthro's live on the small islands?
then how come we never see humans in IDW comics?
They are in comics just can’t see them
TAKE OFF THE GLOVES TAKE OFF THE GLOVES TAKE OFF THE GLOVES TAKE OFF THE GLOVES TAKE OFF THE GLO- AAGHH
I realise a lot of fans had issue with this turn for the story, Silver rejected and viewed as in the wrong while Mimic succeeds in his mission, but there's a couple of things we need to consider. Firstly, I think it might have been a misstep for the writers to show us right from the start what Mimic was doing. Had they kept it a secret that Duo was really him, leave it ambiguous as to why he left Silver to his death as he did, there would have been an interesting angle there. Leave the reader wondering instead of showing that Silver was just in the right. Secondly, Mimic is meant to be a master manipulator in a story aimed mainly at children. Sure, we adults could see through the ruse, and even criticise the characters who couldn't, but it's also a great way to show the mostly child audience just how terrible and dangerous people like that can be. So overall, I'd say the comic does pretty well at what it's setting out to do 😊
I do see where Lanolin was coming from. It wouldn't be good to let people that you've known for a long time run roughshod over someone you've just met and, really, how often does "he could be a shapeshifter" come up as a valid concern?
That said, I also feel bad for Silver. Poor guy. 😔
The only way I could see them making this story work in hindsight is if it’s revealed later on that everyone actually did catch on to Mimic’s tricks and simply faked being on his side to get him to slip up, with Silver not being in on it to make it look convincing. It could be kinda like that scene in Mission Impossible Fallout with the masks.
I like these low-stakes stories because they really highlight why Sonic and his friends fight so hard, and what it is they are trying to protect.
Silver is so strong, and cool. I really like the way they write him in this comic.
I find it ironic that people thought Lanolin would cause trouble for the heroes at some point. As it turns out, she's (thankfully) not a traitor. Just a bit of a perfectionist and hardheaded.
Also, are you really not going to mention the cameo of Lah and the other two ghosts?
Replace "hard" with "butt".
I wish Mimic would lose his shape shifting powers for good.
I love the interaction with Silver and Blaze 💙💜
It’s a shame that they didn’t iron out the plot holes with silvers story. It could have been so good if they just took it a little more seriously. Like whisper sees duo sabotage silver but doesn’t bring it up in the canyon? Lanolin runs a “back ground check” on duo but doesn’t bother to investigate him? Also it was only half an issue.
I'm curious though on why hearing that Whisper has a new Diamind Cutters team would offend Mimic so much. He looked kind of offended when Clutch told him that.
The reason that the Whisper and Silver quickly dropped their accusations against Duo after the chair incident is likely because they don't know that Mimic has a bigger plan besides finishing off Whisper and the new Diamond Cutters. They see no reason for Mimic to stick around in the Restoration for very long and establish himself there, so they assumed that he would easily drop his disguise and flee once the gig was up.
I never thought of it like that. That makes sense. Another thing is that Whisper knows how egotistical Mimic is. If he can help it, he’ll never lose a fight, and will try to win by any dirty means necessary to avoid harm to himself. So deliberately letting himself lose a fight and hurt his arm just to maintain a cover isn’t something Whisper thinks Mimic would do.
I could ramble on so much as a silver fan right now but there’s two things I wanna ramble about!
First off, Lanolin.
I do not hate her, she has no idea that’s mimic! How can I blame her? Sure she was kind of rude to silver but imagine this, a guy you don’t know starts accusing a new team member of being a criminal, stalks him and ‘hurts’ him. Wouldn’t you be annoyed at that as a person in charge? You’re supposed to make sure everything is under control and lead the team correctly so I can understand Lanolin’s point of view and I bet she will feel guilty upon finding out that Duo is in fact Mimic along with the other characters. So I don’t understand the hate, well I do but I don’t see the point in it. Lanolin isn’t a bad character and if anyone is hating her for this moment then I’d say that you should take time to think and realise that all this effort in hating her is. . . *No use.*
Anywayyy my second thing I wanna ramble on about!!
Sonic + Blaze interacting with Silver afterwards.
Honestly found Sonic pretty hilarious at his moments and Blaze was great at comforting Silver. I found it pretty funny you considered it a ‘love triangle’ considering that Sonic compares the two to his relationship with Tails, which is platonic. I’ve honestly not enjoyed the ship Silver x Blaze but when it’s platonic I’ve absolutely loved it! Seeing them going over and actually staying in the current time period/dimension is great I was getting so tired of them constantly switching between whatever and now they’re actually gonna stay!!
Okay rambling over lol
Whisper and Tangle are just roommates
I, as an '06 fan, just love the Soleanna mention.
Clutch and Mimic teaming up is my favorite part of the IDW series, and my profile picture should prove it.
25:44 So Silver wants to back to thinking Sonic’s the Iblis Trigger, huh? 💀
RAAAAAAAAAAAHG I LOVE ALL THE SPAGONIA REFERENCES!! SONIC UNLEASHED IS MY JAAAAAAAAM!!!
Honestly idgaf about the sheep let her be annoying in her own bubble I just wanna see more of the villains they're all pretty cool. Mimic Clutch and of course Surge & Kit (and hey I'm still holding on to hope that my favourite Egg loving fanboy the platyposh can come back in some way but if not at least he went out in a really cool way)
I wish duo was not just mimic in disguise because they did really good on his design and I love how I got to see tangle and whisper again
It would be nice if there was a real Duo, get at least ONE new heroic male originating from IDW Sonic.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Clutch is my favorite of the new villains! The air of mystery and threat he carries is pretty cool. And man, poor Silver! The confrontation with Duo reminded me too much of what happened in Archie 235 with Sonic (hated that moment). But at least he gets to hang out with Blaze now. I do like how Sonic compares them to him and Tails.
Again, I feel like Clean Sweep Inc could be a reference to "Operation: Clean Sweep" in Archie. Since that led to the near fall of the Freedom Fighters, this could hint to the possible fall of the Restoration. 😥
I just WISH the writers had near full control of all the characters. All of them feel like the "hey cool [popular character] is here" in a story that they aren't really part of. Could be a lot better. But at least its not as bad as the *other* comics
These are stories that made Mimic my favorite character
Who else hates it when you as the reader knows something that the characters don’t and you really WANT them to know which annoys you lol. This is pretty much like with Mimic.
I personally think the Diamond Cutters had "Duo" figured out the entire time and have only been playing along to figure out who he was working for. It's going to be epic when they spring the trap on him and in his attempt to escape once more, he unwittingly becomes the instigator of his own total destruction.
'Mexicocity' killed me.
I’m ngl that stuff with lanolin was irritating a bit lol. I love the character and I know they are trying to build her out more, but you’d think with how much trauma they know mimic put her through, even she says she saw him that would instantly raise a red flag in my head. Even if she ends up being wrong it seems smarter to at the very least investigate into it as a leader, and if duo really was clean he’d have nothing to worry about. But I guarantee you if silver held him in the air and told him to talk mimic would crack eventually lmao
THANK YOU! Not only that, it's smarter as a friend to investigate as well! She's NOT a police officer, and she has LITERALLY the least experience of all the heroes! She should learn to better listen to her much more seasoned teammates! She even bullied Tangle into agreeing with her! I can't wait for her to be stung by her own stupidity!
its so poorly written
but thats kinda how these sorts of plots are always
like they know mimic
they know what he can do
if someone comes forward with info that someone on the team MAY be a disguised mass murdering bastard
that should be taken seriously
doubly so if that someone is a high ranking member (or should be a high ranking member)