We need Asustor and Synology to have a baby! Need the tech innovation of the Asustor and the DSM UI and package features of the Synology with all of apps. Memo to Synology: Pay attention and catch up :)
I got the 12 drive version of this and like it. (loaded with 4x 4TB drives was not cheap though) I wanted something that was more portable and was light and fit well into a suitcase. This fits the bill perfectly. I am a travelling nomad and want to bring my media collection with me.
Not sure if you’ve spoken to asustor but a rep told me that low noise was one of their top goals. Their intention for the product is to be used for media consumption and expect it to sit connected to a tv in someone’s media center which is why it has the angled sides. It’s a weird one because although it’s quacks like a NAS it’s really aimed at the android media box market.
I LOVE the angled look of the Asustor Flashstor, in a room full of cases and boxes and equipment - they stand out from all the plain black or grey rectangles ! :-)
I wish for something like this (maybe even smaller, like 3-4 m.2 connectors), but with bios and ability to install OS of choice, with ZFS. Would be a great low power and quiet NAS for those who don’t need a lot of storage.
These should be already like that. They have a HDMI port and a BIOS, and an Intel processor. Unless they have been locked down, but ASUS didn't do much to lock you out on other NAS with similar hardware
@@antonzadorozhniy6605 no ECC support is common for consumer grade NAS. Synology have Ryzen based consumer NAS that supports ECC but i have no idea if they're locked to their OS or not
QNAP has the TBS464, with 4x M.2 and 2x 2.5GbE. I have not tried hacking my way into it, but I have with other QNAP devices. I had a TS873 that I replaced the USB DOM from and ran TrueNAS on it. Ran like a charm.
I love the idea of these, I've been using a DS620slim for awhile because my office is also my bedroom, so having no hard drives clicking away all night is really nice, having 2 gigabit connections is totally fine for home use, even if I'd love a little more. There's plenty of gigantic 12 core, 24-bay NVME dual 100gig all flash NAS options, but surprisingly few small and silent all-flash products. the 12 bay option would give me the option of using whatever cheap 1-2TB NVME drives i can get my hands on, without needing to hunt down good deals on cutting edge high-capacity drives (seriously, 4tb 2.5" drives are a nightmare right now), or losing a bunch of space for redundancy. these are a softball right over the plate for me.
Looking forward to when I can get a device that has 20Tb of NVME storage, 10gb ethernet, fanless and able to run a few basic VM's all for $500 in a decent case. Probably a few years away yet, but these devices show we are getting closer!
The real challenge of an M.2 NAS in 2024: The limited amount of lanes to divide up between them, the limiting factor of throughput for the interfaces and the MTBF of them (particularly in RAID). Pricing is not as bad as its made out to be unless you needed 30+ terrabytes. Most of us can get away with 6-12 TB easily.
I did the spiritual predecessor to this id like to think: A Synology DS620*slim* loaded with 6x 8TB Samsung 2.5" SATA SSDs. It's similar by volume to the Asustor Units and has a similar-ish processor (J425) and 8GB RAM (i upgraded it). The result is a silent, small NAS with decent enough performance for all kind of home-uses that can be tucked away anywhere and will never cause issues with anything mechanical. I just wish there was an option for 10gbe on my synology, but it's just too old for that (2019). You can add a 2.5gbe via USB3 though and it works well.
I got the 12 drive one. It became clear very quickly it was nowhere near as legit as my QNAP but it grew on me pretty quickly once I begun to appreciate what it was and stopped trying to compare it to other things. I have since decided to use it as the low power central hub for my media center data, apps, and related docker containers. For that specific purpose It's pretty damn slick and multiple Plex 4K playback is smooth even with the CPU pegged; doesn't matter, it stays responsive. Its whisper quit and small, so it disappears in my entertainment rack. The UI and the apps are not as diverse as QNAPs or as apple-y as Synology but it's experience overall is very serviceable. For a power user needing to host VMs and manage a diverse set of workloads this won't work; it can't even support multiple VLANs on the same NIC. VirtualBox feels like its trapped in the 90s. But for basic use or even modernly advanced needs, I would recommend this.
I just switched my home TrueNAS from spinning rust to 7.68TB U.2 Kioxia CD6 drives off Ebay using a PCIe x16 bifurcation card. Was just tired of slow spinning rust drives. I only have 10GbE as well and the drives are super limited by both ZFS and 10GbE networking but honestly SSDs have nearly reached the point where you can buy them and throw away the performance as bulk storage. It's just a nice big quality of life improvement - less noise, less power and consistent performance for all your file shares. So I definitely get the concept from this perspective.
I wish that was true. However, if you are buying serious quantities of storage then the difference is a seven figure sum. I have recently had a quote from the Pure sales rep at work who insisted that they where cost-competitive with spinning disks LOL. Admittedly you are spinning hundreds of drives at that point and all your metadata and small files are on SSD so meh.
Strange conclusion "So overall, do I think these things are great? Absolutely... not" but overall you seemed happy with it and the complaint that immediately followed was about the form factor and seemed pretty minor.
There is a difference between greatness and something that is just generally good. Steph Curry is great, even if he cannot play center in the NBA. Every NBA player is generally good.
This is an excellent time to release this. The price of NANA flash is so crazy right now. The price of SSD's has gone down so much in the last month and now the M.2 drives are dirt cheap. We're finally at a point where something like this makes sense to buy.
do you have any more in depth knowledge of the market to share? is this drop in nand prices cyclical or more permanent? is it a result of oversupply from the past year or so or was there a change in the cost of manufacturing causing prices to drop?
I'm actually considering this for my mobile office/camper build. With its low power draw a single solar panel with a small battery could run it indefinitely. I could also see this being used to run my steam library off of with the 10Gbe being enough for this.
This is overkill for a Steam library and in the end you'll lose performance. If you only need your steam library, you are better off getting 1 or 2 8TB SSDs and running off of those.
They NEED to create a version of this that supports the twelve nVME Drives combined with a AMD Zen3+/RDNA3 APU that'll support 32GB of FAST DDR5. It would make for one heck of a PLEX Server that can both handle the storage and encode/decode on the fly (for multiple output streams)! PLEASE make it happen Asustor! 🤞
Why wouldn’t you just get a server at that point? You can get a 40 core 12 drive bay Plex monster with 128gb of ram for barely $400. And what would the point of having any APU be? Get a silent / tiny nvidia shield for your Plex client.
@@BlownMacTruck Yeah, I bought my R720 for under $300 used. Yes it's power hungry, but it idles at less than 100 watts on average, has a shit ton of PCIe lanes and slots. a lot of SATA HDD slots etc. It runs TrueNAS Scale well and I haven't had really any major gripes. It's actually really quiet for a rack server. NVMe drives work fine with an adapter and so does a USB 3.0 card
I love it, a sort of reasonably priced solid state NAS for camping. Never thought I'd see such a thing discussed by an corporate enterprise IT Pro, lol, but intriguing possibilities definitely come to mind for personal media libraries.
And I get funny looks for having a canvas tent with a stove for camping. I can't imagine why anyone would need a NAS when camping in the middle of a forest beside a quiet lake 🤣🤣
Funny I was just thinking about a SSD NAS yesterday. From pricing it looks like going with regular ol' SATA SSD are cheaper on the per Terabyte compared to their M.2 equivalent size, though not by a gigantic amount. Obviously that means they are bigger and slower but realistically that doesn't matter for what I would use it for. Or really what the vast bulk of home users what use it for. Though since the market is clearly all in on M.2 I expect by the time we see more of these M.2 NAS units from the likes of Synology the pricing on them will probably be better than the old SATA style.
Cheap SATA SSDs have abysmal speeds during consecutive writes. SATA SSD with proper cache and speeds are quite expensive tho, and there is no much of a choice outside of Samsung and Corsair MX.
SATA or MVMe won't matter much in performance. In the end it needs to hit the network. A single SATA-600 drive has enough throughput to completely fill two 2.5GbE network connections. These 6 or 12 M.2 NVMe SSDs are twiddling their thumbs for their entire lifespan.
@@scsirob y'all live all in a fantasy world, where SSDs keep writing at 500MB/s after filling out cache capacity? 1TB Samsung 870 EVO's actual sustained write speed is 80 MB/s, 2 TB version has only 160 MB/s. And on top of it 1TB SATA 870 EVO costs more than m.2 970 EVO Plus, which has sustained writing speed around 800-900 MB/s. M.2 in these all-flash NASes makes sense, SATA SSDs are obsolete - they do not get produced and sold enough to benefit from economies of scale.
You can get a 4 TB M2 NVMe PCIe4 SSD for £200 these days - to me that's pretty close to SATA SSD's for pricing. The problem is when you want higher quality 4 TB, or anything at 8 TB. How on Earth we had a 1 TB microSD years ago, but still can't get more than 8 TB per M2 SSD is beyond me. It should be possible, it's just that noone is actually doing it.
Actually usb c power supply would be perfect for travel. I got a two 100w GaN usbc psu so travelling with a big nas would be perfect. And no one need that bend walls on a nas. Make it fancy and stylish for a nas that just has to vanish. Server rack bracket mounts would be nice though 😊.
Neat units. I could see this being a good solution for a person whos’ primary concern was size of the unit AND they don’t plan on using VMs or compute heavy dockers, plus they have no need for the storage volume of spinning drives
I see these as perfect solutions for Van Life and Sailing / Cruising lifers. Those very much offgrid applications where minimal space and power consumption are key. The performance is more than sufficient for their vlogging and video editing, plus storing media libraries / entertainment, and maybe even storing video from IP cameras for security. The 12V side of these vehicles' power systems is clean enough these days that you could probably just power directly off that bus.
Honestly if it wasn't for the costs it would be perfect for my needs in a NAS, quite plenty of space and fast enough networking. I'd mostly want one for stuffing in a corner of my studio to sit there for sample and project storage so I can keep my massive library of samples and not have noise issues.
I’m sure you already know, you guys circled the Kensington lock when you said “Optical Audio” 😉 Would you still trust Asustor after the whole ransomware thing? Great video like always!
Patrick is way more enthusiastic in this video!. Better and better stuff to review and test. This NAS is great for an RV on the road, editing outdoor videos at night!.
In our studio we have 2 of the 10GbE model and after few months of usage they are just Great. One whe use for fast backup on set and the other one for the VR in house set as storage for the dedicated Unreal WS. Both situation require light/small, high capacity, non moving part storage. However we upgarded the RAM and we instaled TrueNAS scale instead than the original OS. ZFS z2 setup(28TB practical capacity), easy cloud sync, openvpn, auto shut down on power failure,small custom docker to manage some in house utility, etc.) Like you said this is mainly a storage solutions you don't get crazy speed out of it but is very light, low consomption, very costumizable. Low consomption is great on set where often we work on powerbank.
with how loud helium drives are when accessing data, I can see why you'd want to go flash. Can't wait for a few more years of downwards- spiraling flash prices. It really shouldn't be that expensive to make flash storage when done as efficiently as possible without emphasizing speed.
I'd love something like this with an i3-1315u With a motherboard that supports 1x bifurcation. Imagine 16 drives, each with one PCIe 4.0 lane, and then the last 4 lanes going to 40G or 100G QSFP+ Would be a great portable all-in-one NAS, the only thing that would make it better, would be to take the 1360P, and instead of 4P+8E cores, trade the P cores for E cores. A micro NAS with 24 E cores, keeping the pretty decent 96EU XE graphics. I have older graphics and they still work pretty well with AI image recongnition. With that core count, support for 128GB of RAM, and 16 NVMe, a decent GPU, and high speed networking, this would actually be a pretty powerful server, but absolutely tiny. FYI, while i have no way to actually test this because Intel doesnt make a 14 P core dekstop processor, i can extrapolate that 24E cores offer the same performance as 12-16P cores, while using around 80w, instead of ~270w
I'm not surprised it kept crashing with higher capacity RAM because the Intel Celeron N5105 supports a maximum of 16GB of DDR4 at 2933MHz. I imagine as soon as the system deposits data onto memory outside of the 16-gig-pool the CPU recognizes, it freaks out and goes "Derp, poof!"
A know a few small post houses and editors who woukd love to have these as their working / on progress NAS. They would love to have these. also, DIT / data wranglers on a film/video shoot would love these instead of relying on stacks of portable SSDs.
like the idea but would like to see at least a 20 pcie 4.0 lane capable chip option, that said chip makers need to make cheap/lower end chips with higher native lane counts for these style applications to offer high speed style nas
I was able to bump the RAM to 32Gb with 2 16GB Corsair Vengeance Performance 3200MHZ DDR4. Been running NAS continuously for over 3 months now without a single hiccup whatsoever👍
It would be nice if they had a configuration for rack mount with built in power supply and everything ( status lights, power button usb connection, etc) up front.
I'm glad you finally explained just how anemic these devices are. I fear the way they're marketed might be misleading for some consumers. However, knowing that they barely have enough PCIe lanes to service a single NVMe drive, the NIC does make more sense. Although, 10GbE has been around for over a decade, and we're only just now barely seeing it begin to appear in some really compromised devices? Come on, what's the hold-up? And why does it need to reach out to 100 meters for? Why can't we have a new standard for short-distance communication over distances up to only 100 feet? We could do it with the same devices we already have. Just tweak the firmware, and use a different encoding scheme. I feel like the 100 meter standard is simply more than most environments call for.
the biggest pill to swallow is how anemic networking is, even local. My hdd NAS does 1gbyte/sec sequential reads, an nvme NAS will easily do 10gbyte/sec sequential reads. 100gbit networking to accomodate your ssd NAS won't be hobbyist-tier for a long time to come, while it's fairly mundane speeds by 'local' storage.
Because the physical interfaces are based on standards and are designed to perform and apply to the widest array of uses in the commercial environments. The consumer enjoys the trickel down of these improvements in products. They take advantage of these by way of commodity chip sets developed to meet these standards via a slew of small, and not so small, players in the tight margins of the consumer markets. Also, a run over 30 meters happens easily in allot of homes and fails to account for the end connection terminations and pair of patches. Having the margins extended is a good thing where consumers are poorly installing and terminating twisted pair cabling. Seldom do consumers follow best practices nor do allot of people calling themselves "professionals" for that matter!
@@mikeiver I'm aware of all that. I was thinking something along the lines of USB type-c or HDMI. Those have to be prefabricated, and it would offer the badwidth needed. It would be extremely short range, but that's plenty for most SOHO environments. We do not live or work in huge datacenters, factories, or institutions. Why should end users get stuck with the same crumby speeds as large organizations? Why can't we have a separate standard for consumers and end users? Consumer hardware is garbage, and it doesn't need to be that way. Also, some devices are adaptable, and can change between 1, 5, or 10GbE. But, why are we limited to only these? Why can't we also have the option to choose higher speeds, but shorter ranges? The user should be able to adapt the device to the environment.
Our old SSD reviewer now does marketing at Sabrent. We talked about it. I think 12x $1K 8TB drives puts the cost of the system into the price range you are better off getting a higher-performance NAS.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo it's easy to construct a 1u case where the board will mount to the walls in mid height so both top and bottom lids will be openable. Such volume management is just historically unpopular, 1 lid cases few cents cheaper in production.
Thanks for the Video. I was already looking for this NAS. Great job ! Question 1: is it possible to connect it directly with a PC via USB to use the full speed ? Question 2: can I use WiFi in any way ?
1. I do not think so. 2. It does not have built-in WiFi. I think you can add it via USB but we only tried wired USB NICs that did not work. The ASUSTOR management interface has a USB WiFi setting though so it probably works
(I've since seen this box reviewed a bunch of places, but you were the first, from my perspective at least...) I just replaced a pair of HP Proliant boxes with a lot of 3.5" spinning rust, with the little version of this and raid-6 over 6x2T. *vast* upgrade, quieter, cooler, faster in every way. Shoved ubuntu 23.04 on it (8G onboard is way too small, but it's enough to get going with setup until I carved off a mirror of some extra space on two of the slightly larger SSDs for the root disk - turns out 50G is decent for an OS install, and *round off error* for 2T SSD sizes :-) Also maxed out the RAM. (For all the complaints about it being underpowered - for me, it was a cheap upgrade for a cheap homelab setup, if anything it was overpowered.)
The first thing I absolutely thought of when I saw these were storage and not anything robust like 4k video editing. I’m looking to get into something like this because I do not want to buy spinning hard drives in 2024.
There are people, who just need large storages for storing movies or recorded videos, once data is stored there won't be a lot of editing in them, Hard drives are not a good solution due to moving, fragile and bulky parts... Ssd will shine in such cases... A solution must exist with 1. Lower transfer speeds. 2. Lower TBW 3. Lower write speeds, (and a fast cache drive) 4. Sata as it would be cheaper than m.2
They should make a version that comes preconfigured to just work with 6-8 m.2 SSDs along with a connection for easy expansion using a DAS enclosure for bulk storage.
The same form factor with a Ryzen V3C18 would be amazing. Enough CPU power to run some VMs / Dockers plus insane I/O capability (20L pcie4 + dual 10gbe) for a blazing fast NAS.
@@MichaelBoratko Ultimately, it will depend on how such motherboard is constructed. If they want a NAS only, it is likely that an ASPEED AST2600 BMC chip would be used or something of the sort. They might decide to add a small GPU if they want to hit the HTPC/ PLEX market. But it is likely that they would instead use something like a 7840U, if they want media capability.
There should be a usb c connection on the 12 version to connect directly to a computer, as well as that 10gbe. Pretty good, and tempting, to be able to store, but also do cheap vms.
Super idea. I think the N5105 is limited in terms of high-speed IO lanes. This is already pushing the platform pretty far. Hopefully on a refresh that would be possible.
Thank you for the detailed review. I am looking for a NAS that I can stream my hi-res music directly to my AVR using Heos. What other NAS units would you recommend?
I built an SSD media machine for my parents because of low noise... problem was limited storage and large size... I would love to stick in behind the TV but it would be even better if it was fanless.
The HDMI port on the thing is a strange addition. Did they intend it to be connected to a display? I mean I guess it might help troubleshooting but that's not a typical appliance.
More 8TB / 16TB or higher 2.5" SATA drive should be made. Then they can be easily used for 2.5" NAS or simply put into a USB HDD case. Single SATA drive will saturate 2 x 2.5GbE, 2 drive will saturate 10GbE, so it is fast enough for NAS. Now TLC/QLC flash is cheap enough that consumer can afford such 8TB+ drive
If I were choosing between the two models, I think I would choose the two 2.5GbE one over the single 10GbE simply because it has 2 physical ports. I really like having a separate management network. I've also been thinking about setting up a Ceph cluster and that second port is useful for segregating the OSD's backend traffic from client access traffic.
@@charlesturner897 because I already have a physically separate, private network already set up. In fact, every cat6 drop already has 2 cables running back to the central switches/router.
@@coolm98 It's probably just me, but I have terrible luck with USB-anything that stays plugged in 24/7 (apart from mice and keyboards). They seem to die on me prematurely and/or aren't consistently reliable. Now, I avoid those kinds of devices as a general rule.
You could probably get away with the same total price to just ding together an old T7520 with a pair of Hyper M.2 carriers in the 2 bifurcation slots, and get a dramatically faster, more adaptable NAS.
I have a home nas that I’m slowly converting to SSDs for the lower noise and power draw. I saw the m.2 price drops and figured that if I had a system with more M.2 / pcie slots it would be compelling. That said, would love to see this in a rack mount form factor instead of this weird parallelogram. The price also seems a bit high before I’d bite. Also, I worry about using consumer ssds with onboard ram and without power loss protection Edit: it’s N5105?! This is so pointless when you have all the drives squeezing through so few pcie lanes
a small ups would mitigate most of the power loss concerns, as long as it could communicate with the device to tell it to flush all caches. wouldn't need a very big one in this instance. i wonder if linux could be told to acknowledge sync writes as complete when they hit ram if there is a ups connected. I'm more annoyed at putting all this high speed nvme behind 2.5 or 10g networking, such a waste
@@konzo5942 But its aimed at the home user, and most home users dont have 10G even. When you start going to enterprise you start need more resilience so you end up with multiple independent nodes with a separate back end networking for inter node communication and each node having multiple 10Gbit interfaces.
@@nexus1972 kinda missed my point. multiple 10g is still slow. the servers i deploy have a minimum of 2*40g, usually 2*100g. a single nvme has 32gbps bandwidth, and theres like 6 of them here, so you are losing so so much putting it behind these slow interfaces. id rather just buy a pair of older ex server 8tb ssds on the cheap and attach them to some mini pc.
@@konzo5942 no you've missed the point. This is a home.appliance not an enterprise piece of equipment. 10g isn't common in homes your anecdote about 2x40gb and 2x100gbit is not the asustor market you're in datacenter territory there and you're going to be going down the tantric or powerstore or some other enterprise piece of equipment not a micky mouse home sector nas. Heck my home.lab is only 10gbit based and most home users don't have or need 10gbit. Even 2.5 is low % in home market atm.
@@nexus1972 home appliance with 6 nvmes... my point is that this is such a waste. 10g is cheap, NICs for 50$ online, this device with drives is already $800 so 10g isn't much more. With your argument you should just put some usb HDDs on a raspberry pi, because who would need more right?? Anyway the people with home nases are the same people who would have a faster home network. I don't know any soccer mom with a homelab.
What would be a good DIY solution to the 12 nic version of this. Seems like you would need a lot of pcie lanes and bifurcated nvme cards. Any actual hardware recommendations? Ideally similar price or cheaper.
I kind of get it, but since they don't need pcie drives for performance, you could also build something like it with Sata SSDs which could make it cheaper as there are less pcie lane issues. At least for DIY you could get the same results with sata for cheaper, but probably not easily in that small space.
Hey ServeTheHome, Thanks for yet again a great video, I could not help but notice that unlike other videos you did not cover the capabilities of the 10g port version. Normally you will say whether the 10g port does or does not support different lower speeds like 5, 2.5 or 1g. I was Not able to find this info on your site’s (STH) news article. I think this is key to know as you can only get 6 drives for the 2.5 ver but 12 for the 10g ver. For myself for example i have a 2.5g network at home only and would only buy the 12 bay ver for future proofing. - - - Could someone please comment if it supports the lower speeds and if so which ones? - - - Side question: does anyone know how well this would perform as a PLEX server? I assume transcoding would not work so only devices that direct play ect.
4 screws deters people opening it up and pocketing some ssds. I know YOU want quick easy access but in some applications you want to encumber access and make it harder to get into. At least 4 screws means you need a screwdriver and a bit of time to open it.
That thing is pretty cool..... I dont know if I would use M.2 for NAS as there is a finite read/write they can do. I stick to spinning rust for my NAS. I use enterprise grade SAS drives in my disk shelf JBOD setup.
crazy idea, probably, but there are m.2 nvme to sata adapters and there can be 5 sata ports, I've seen even 6 ports, so in theory even the one with 6 ports could have 6×6 36 drives, and the one with 12 12×6 72 sata drives, in theory. Probably sounds like a crazy idea
I've found SMB Multichannel a pain in the ass to get consistently working on Windows 10. What OS was running on the clients for these tests? Also, do the NICs have DMA support?
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We need Asustor and Synology to have a baby! Need the tech innovation of the Asustor and the DSM UI and package features of the Synology with all of apps. Memo to Synology: Pay attention and catch up :)
And the hardware of qnap
I don't want to step away from Synology due to their fantastic software, but Asustor, they are making me think hard about my next NAS.
Is that a ps4?
Is that a ps4?
They’re called Ubrel and Unraid
I got the 12 drive version of this and like it. (loaded with 4x 4TB drives was not cheap though) I wanted something that was more portable and was light and fit well into a suitcase. This fits the bill perfectly. I am a travelling nomad and want to bring my media collection with me.
Not sure if you’ve spoken to asustor but a rep told me that low noise was one of their top goals. Their intention for the product is to be used for media consumption and expect it to sit connected to a tv in someone’s media center which is why it has the angled sides. It’s a weird one because although it’s quacks like a NAS it’s really aimed at the android media box market.
Do the angled sides make it quieter?
@@dexopaw no they are purely for looks since they expect this product to be sitting alongside your tv
@@dexopaw They clearly copied old playstation look
In this case, one angled side has a practical effect: it ensures that the exhaust is not blocked by someone shoving it up against a panel.
@@pincombe I think it's worked to avoid covering the cooling vents when you pout it in a tiny space , but yes, also make it more gaming stylish
I LOVE the angled look of the Asustor Flashstor, in a room full of cases and boxes and equipment - they stand out from all the plain black or grey rectangles ! :-)
It looks cool, but it also looks funny when stacked.
I wish for something like this (maybe even smaller, like 3-4 m.2 connectors), but with bios and ability to install OS of choice, with ZFS. Would be a great low power and quiet NAS for those who don’t need a lot of storage.
These should be already like that. They have a HDMI port and a BIOS, and an Intel processor. Unless they have been locked down, but ASUS didn't do much to lock you out on other NAS with similar hardware
Wow, thanks, I’ll look into it. Would be great to have ECC RAM as well, but Intel spec says it doesn’t support it.
@@antonzadorozhniy6605 Pretty much no consumer NAS supports ECC RAM and this is no different
@@antonzadorozhniy6605 no ECC support is common for consumer grade NAS. Synology have Ryzen based consumer NAS that supports ECC but i have no idea if they're locked to their OS or not
QNAP has the TBS464, with 4x M.2 and 2x 2.5GbE. I have not tried hacking my way into it, but I have with other QNAP devices. I had a TS873 that I replaced the USB DOM from and ran TrueNAS on it. Ran like a charm.
I love the idea of these, I've been using a DS620slim for awhile because my office is also my bedroom, so having no hard drives clicking away all night is really nice, having 2 gigabit connections is totally fine for home use, even if I'd love a little more. There's plenty of gigantic 12 core, 24-bay NVME dual 100gig all flash NAS options, but surprisingly few small and silent all-flash products. the 12 bay option would give me the option of using whatever cheap 1-2TB NVME drives i can get my hands on, without needing to hunt down good deals on cutting edge high-capacity drives (seriously, 4tb 2.5" drives are a nightmare right now), or losing a bunch of space for redundancy. these are a softball right over the plate for me.
Looking forward to when I can get a device that has 20Tb of NVME storage, 10gb ethernet, fanless and able to run a few basic VM's all for $500 in a decent case. Probably a few years away yet, but these devices show we are getting closer!
The real challenge of an M.2 NAS in 2024: The limited amount of lanes to divide up between them, the limiting factor of throughput for the interfaces and the MTBF of them (particularly in RAID). Pricing is not as bad as its made out to be unless you needed 30+ terrabytes. Most of us can get away with 6-12 TB easily.
I wish! Monday’s video is well over 1TB of assets alone
I did the spiritual predecessor to this id like to think: A Synology DS620*slim* loaded with 6x 8TB Samsung 2.5" SATA SSDs.
It's similar by volume to the Asustor Units and has a similar-ish processor (J425) and 8GB RAM (i upgraded it).
The result is a silent, small NAS with decent enough performance for all kind of home-uses that can be tucked away anywhere and will never cause issues with anything mechanical.
I just wish there was an option for 10gbe on my synology, but it's just too old for that (2019). You can add a 2.5gbe via USB3 though and it works well.
I wish the 2.5" nas had taken off. I should have bought the Slim. With them no longer being produced, I opted to not buy one.
I got the 12 drive one. It became clear very quickly it was nowhere near as legit as my QNAP but it grew on me pretty quickly once I begun to appreciate what it was and stopped trying to compare it to other things. I have since decided to use it as the low power central hub for my media center data, apps, and related docker containers. For that specific purpose It's pretty damn slick and multiple Plex 4K playback is smooth even with the CPU pegged; doesn't matter, it stays responsive. Its whisper quit and small, so it disappears in my entertainment rack. The UI and the apps are not as diverse as QNAPs or as apple-y as Synology but it's experience overall is very serviceable.
For a power user needing to host VMs and manage a diverse set of workloads this won't work; it can't even support multiple VLANs on the same NIC. VirtualBox feels like its trapped in the 90s. But for basic use or even modernly advanced needs, I would recommend this.
Hello do you mean it is compatible with plex server. That would be my main use
I just switched my home TrueNAS from spinning rust to 7.68TB U.2 Kioxia CD6 drives off Ebay using a PCIe x16 bifurcation card. Was just tired of slow spinning rust drives. I only have 10GbE as well and the drives are super limited by both ZFS and 10GbE networking but honestly SSDs have nearly reached the point where you can buy them and throw away the performance as bulk storage. It's just a nice big quality of life improvement - less noise, less power and consistent performance for all your file shares. So I definitely get the concept from this perspective.
Very much this. We are getting more 30.72TB SSDs in the lab and that is making all-flash high capacity storage tempting.
I wish that was true. However, if you are buying serious quantities of storage then the difference is a seven figure sum. I have recently had a quote from the Pure sales rep at work who insisted that they where cost-competitive with spinning disks LOL. Admittedly you are spinning hundreds of drives at that point and all your metadata and small files are on SSD so meh.
Does ZFS actually limit the performance of fast M2 SSDs? What should one use instead?
Strange conclusion "So overall, do I think these things are great? Absolutely... not" but overall you seemed happy with it and the complaint that immediately followed was about the form factor and seemed pretty minor.
There is a difference between greatness and something that is just generally good. Steph Curry is great, even if he cannot play center in the NBA. Every NBA player is generally good.
This is an excellent time to release this. The price of NANA flash is so crazy right now. The price of SSD's has gone down so much in the last month and now the M.2 drives are dirt cheap. We're finally at a point where something like this makes sense to buy.
do you have any more in depth knowledge of the market to share? is this drop in nand prices cyclical or more permanent? is it a result of oversupply from the past year or so or was there a change in the cost of manufacturing causing prices to drop?
I'm actually considering this for my mobile office/camper build. With its low power draw a single solar panel with a small battery could run it indefinitely. I could also see this being used to run my steam library off of with the 10Gbe being enough for this.
This is overkill for a Steam library and in the end you'll lose performance. If you only need your steam library, you are better off getting 1 or 2 8TB SSDs and running off of those.
They NEED to create a version of this that supports the twelve nVME Drives combined with a AMD Zen3+/RDNA3 APU that'll support 32GB of FAST DDR5. It would make for one heck of a PLEX Server that can both handle the storage and encode/decode on the fly (for multiple output streams)! PLEASE make it happen Asustor! 🤞
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Add a few sata ports to connect HDDs and then with ZFS and caching this will be a fast NFS server.
Why wouldn’t you just get a server at that point? You can get a 40 core 12 drive bay Plex monster with 128gb of ram for barely $400. And what would the point of having any APU be? Get a silent / tiny nvidia shield for your Plex client.
I mean, you could have a separate disk array.
@@BlownMacTruck Yeah, I bought my R720 for under $300 used. Yes it's power hungry, but it idles at less than 100 watts on average, has a shit ton of PCIe lanes and slots. a lot of SATA HDD slots etc. It runs TrueNAS Scale well and I haven't had really any major gripes. It's actually really quiet for a rack server. NVMe drives work fine with an adapter and so does a USB 3.0 card
Thanx Patric! Truly amazing devices. I hope we see more manufacture come out with these. I got an old Thecus NAS I want to migrate across to new NAS.
I love it, a sort of reasonably priced solid state NAS for camping. Never thought I'd see such a thing discussed by an corporate enterprise IT Pro, lol, but intriguing possibilities definitely come to mind for personal media libraries.
And I get funny looks for having a canvas tent with a stove for camping. I can't imagine why anyone would need a NAS when camping in the middle of a forest beside a quiet lake 🤣🤣
Thank you! I had no idea these existed. Very thorough review! Thank you!
Funny I was just thinking about a SSD NAS yesterday. From pricing it looks like going with regular ol' SATA SSD are cheaper on the per Terabyte compared to their M.2 equivalent size, though not by a gigantic amount. Obviously that means they are bigger and slower but realistically that doesn't matter for what I would use it for. Or really what the vast bulk of home users what use it for. Though since the market is clearly all in on M.2 I expect by the time we see more of these M.2 NAS units from the likes of Synology the pricing on them will probably be better than the old SATA style.
Cheap SATA SSDs have abysmal speeds during consecutive writes. SATA SSD with proper cache and speeds are quite expensive tho, and there is no much of a choice outside of Samsung and Corsair MX.
SATA or MVMe won't matter much in performance. In the end it needs to hit the network. A single SATA-600 drive has enough throughput to completely fill two 2.5GbE network connections. These 6 or 12 M.2 NVMe SSDs are twiddling their thumbs for their entire lifespan.
@@scsirob y'all live all in a fantasy world, where SSDs keep writing at 500MB/s after filling out cache capacity? 1TB Samsung 870 EVO's actual sustained write speed is 80 MB/s, 2 TB version has only 160 MB/s.
And on top of it 1TB SATA 870 EVO costs more than m.2 970 EVO Plus, which has sustained writing speed around 800-900 MB/s.
M.2 in these all-flash NASes makes sense, SATA SSDs are obsolete - they do not get produced and sold enough to benefit from economies of scale.
You can get a 4 TB M2 NVMe PCIe4 SSD for £200 these days - to me that's pretty close to SATA SSD's for pricing.
The problem is when you want higher quality 4 TB, or anything at 8 TB.
How on Earth we had a 1 TB microSD years ago, but still can't get more than 8 TB per M2 SSD is beyond me.
It should be possible, it's just that noone is actually doing it.
Thank you so much for covering the 10GbE!
Actually usb c power supply would be perfect for travel. I got a two 100w GaN usbc psu so travelling with a big nas would be perfect. And no one need that bend walls on a nas. Make it fancy and stylish for a nas that just has to vanish. Server rack bracket mounts would be nice though 😊.
That is my biggest complaint about the side angle style. Totally agree
Neat units. I could see this being a good solution for a person whos’ primary concern was size of the unit AND they don’t plan on using VMs or compute heavy dockers, plus they have no need for the storage volume of spinning drives
Also noise. Large helium disks make a decent amount of noise when working. Think about if you had a small studio and wanted a NAS to store footage
@@ServeTheHomeVideo solid point,
I’m one of those weirdos who likes to hear the drives clicking away so I hadn’t even considered that.
N305 version of this would be great! Although would still only have 9 PCIE lanes. Throw in a suite of synology type features and you got a winner!
I see these as perfect solutions for Van Life and Sailing / Cruising lifers. Those very much offgrid applications where minimal space and power consumption are key. The performance is more than sufficient for their vlogging and video editing, plus storing media libraries / entertainment, and maybe even storing video from IP cameras for security. The 12V side of these vehicles' power systems is clean enough these days that you could probably just power directly off that bus.
I just found you, and sir, you are awesome! I subscribed immediately. All good wishes and thanks for such hyperinteresting content!
Thank you!
Honestly if it wasn't for the costs it would be perfect for my needs in a NAS, quite plenty of space and fast enough networking. I'd mostly want one for stuffing in a corner of my studio to sit there for sample and project storage so I can keep my massive library of samples and not have noise issues.
It is much quieter than HDD based NAS units.
If they made the 6 slot version with a 10 gig nic for the current price, I think I'd buy it!
Brilliant review, thank you! Yeah the USB fan connector makes me very nervous. I listened to this at 1.5 x playback speed and that was about right.
I’m sure you already know, you guys circled the Kensington lock when you said “Optical Audio” 😉
Would you still trust Asustor after the whole ransomware thing?
Great video like always!
This ransomware happened on Synology & QNap too.
Patrick is way more enthusiastic in this video!. Better and better stuff to review and test. This NAS is great for an RV on the road, editing outdoor videos at night!.
For Europe, such storage facilities will be relevant, especially for those who live on autonomous power from solar panels😎😎😎
European power is very expensive (relative to much of the US)
In our studio we have 2 of the 10GbE model and after few months of usage they are just Great. One whe use for fast backup on set and the other one for the VR in house set as storage for the dedicated Unreal WS. Both situation require light/small, high capacity, non moving part storage.
However we upgarded the RAM and we instaled TrueNAS scale instead than the original OS. ZFS z2 setup(28TB practical capacity), easy cloud sync, openvpn, auto shut down on power failure,small custom docker to manage some in house utility, etc.)
Like you said this is mainly a storage solutions you don't get crazy speed out of it but is very light, low consomption, very costumizable.
Low consomption is great on set where often we work on powerbank.
I am now using one in the studio and one at home just for the quiet operation as well.
Great job. Even 1 year on, the info is still useful. 😊
with how loud helium drives are when accessing data, I can see why you'd want to go flash. Can't wait for a few more years of downwards- spiraling flash prices. It really shouldn't be that expensive to make flash storage when done as efficiently as possible without emphasizing speed.
Yes. We had a QNAP NAS that we will be reviewing on the main site in the next week or two next to these. The noise difference is very noticeable.
Thank you for this introduction to this equipment. Interesting products.
The flashstor on my wish list. Hopefully my sons surprise me. Currently looking at the AS6708T NAS
I have a feeling you are going to be sending them this video
I'd love something like this with an i3-1315u With a motherboard that supports 1x bifurcation. Imagine 16 drives, each with one PCIe 4.0 lane, and then the last 4 lanes going to 40G or 100G QSFP+
Would be a great portable all-in-one NAS, the only thing that would make it better, would be to take the 1360P, and instead of 4P+8E cores, trade the P cores for E cores. A micro NAS with 24 E cores, keeping the pretty decent 96EU XE graphics. I have older graphics and they still work pretty well with AI image recongnition. With that core count, support for 128GB of RAM, and 16 NVMe, a decent GPU, and high speed networking, this would actually be a pretty powerful server, but absolutely tiny.
FYI, while i have no way to actually test this because Intel doesnt make a 14 P core dekstop processor, i can extrapolate that 24E cores offer the same performance as 12-16P cores, while using around 80w, instead of ~270w
the reason there is four screws on the bottom is so the door doesn't rattle when fan is out of balance from dust.
I'm not surprised it kept crashing with higher capacity RAM because the Intel Celeron N5105 supports a maximum of 16GB of DDR4 at 2933MHz. I imagine as soon as the system deposits data onto memory outside of the 16-gig-pool the CPU recognizes, it freaks out and goes "Derp, poof!"
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This is going to be wild, would love to see a Video on it.
Interesting, might be okay for a low power home lab storage , connect some NUC's (or similar) running ESXI/Proxmox to this as a storage mount
The 6x M.2 version is going to do exactly that in the TinyMiniMicro/ STH Mini PC lab
A know a few small post houses and editors who woukd love to have these as their working / on progress NAS. They would love to have these.
also, DIT / data wranglers on a film/video shoot would love these instead of relying on stacks of portable SSDs.
like the idea but would like to see at least a 20 pcie 4.0 lane capable chip option, that said chip makers need to make cheap/lower end chips with higher native lane counts for these style applications to offer high speed style nas
I totally agree with you. One of the big challenges is that amount of PCIe Gen4 lanes / controllers makes a chip higher power these days :-(
I hope these do well enough to prove the market viability, and then better versions are made.
10:51 -- SMB-MC with an unmanaged switch . . . was wondering, so thank you 👍
Product naming so hostile to hosts speaking with a lisp. Looks amazing, I got an itch now, thank you very much.
I would love to see this with u.2/3 bays. Such that you can use them with used/old enterprise ssds this would make a greate alround storage then.
Great content! I really appreciate your review approach and format, I learned a lot! Subscribed!
Thanks! Still working on it
Professional video with such a cool NAS,NICE!!
Seems like a decent solution for having on the network and passing through as SMB storage to Proxmox containers/VMs.
I would love for asustor to do a rackmount version of those
I was able to bump the RAM to 32Gb with 2 16GB Corsair Vengeance Performance 3200MHZ DDR4. Been running NAS continuously for over 3 months now without a single hiccup whatsoever👍
It would be nice if they had a configuration for rack mount with built in power supply and everything ( status lights, power button usb connection, etc) up front.
I'm glad you finally explained just how anemic these devices are. I fear the way they're marketed might be misleading for some consumers. However, knowing that they barely have enough PCIe lanes to service a single NVMe drive, the NIC does make more sense. Although, 10GbE has been around for over a decade, and we're only just now barely seeing it begin to appear in some really compromised devices? Come on, what's the hold-up? And why does it need to reach out to 100 meters for? Why can't we have a new standard for short-distance communication over distances up to only 100 feet? We could do it with the same devices we already have. Just tweak the firmware, and use a different encoding scheme. I feel like the 100 meter standard is simply more than most environments call for.
the biggest pill to swallow is how anemic networking is, even local. My hdd NAS does 1gbyte/sec sequential reads, an nvme NAS will easily do 10gbyte/sec sequential reads. 100gbit networking to accomodate your ssd NAS won't be hobbyist-tier for a long time to come, while it's fairly mundane speeds by 'local' storage.
Because the physical interfaces are based on standards and are designed to perform and apply to the widest array of uses in the commercial environments. The consumer enjoys the trickel down of these improvements in products. They take advantage of these by way of commodity chip sets developed to meet these standards via a slew of small, and not so small, players in the tight margins of the consumer markets. Also, a run over 30 meters happens easily in allot of homes and fails to account for the end connection terminations and pair of patches. Having the margins extended is a good thing where consumers are poorly installing and terminating twisted pair cabling. Seldom do consumers follow best practices nor do allot of people calling themselves "professionals" for that matter!
@@mikeiver I'm aware of all that. I was thinking something along the lines of USB type-c or HDMI. Those have to be prefabricated, and it would offer the badwidth needed. It would be extremely short range, but that's plenty for most SOHO environments. We do not live or work in huge datacenters, factories, or institutions. Why should end users get stuck with the same crumby speeds as large organizations? Why can't we have a separate standard for consumers and end users? Consumer hardware is garbage, and it doesn't need to be that way.
Also, some devices are adaptable, and can change between 1, 5, or 10GbE. But, why are we limited to only these? Why can't we also have the option to choose higher speeds, but shorter ranges? The user should be able to adapt the device to the environment.
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If more companies go this route, we'll see NAS/router combos for normie consumers.
Next unicorn idea.. 😂 Billion dollar business
actually a company called "iptime" in korea actually does this... and ita cheap too
Apple had one, not sure if they still make them
Load 'er up with Sabrent 8 TB M.2 next!
Our old SSD reviewer now does marketing at Sabrent. We talked about it. I think 12x $1K 8TB drives puts the cost of the system into the price range you are better off getting a higher-performance NAS.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Of course, but it would have been funny and interesting to see it decked out to the maximum it can do.
I agree lol sounds funny since this thing is such a POS in a way lol
@@ServeTheHomeVideo haha but you can do it for the memes!
Great NAS! I wish there will be a rack mount version of this with inegrated PSU, or an optional casemod.
I wish. Rack mount is a bit hard for the serviceability of the units with double sided components
@@ServeTheHomeVideo it's easy to construct a 1u case where the board will mount to the walls in mid height so both top and bottom lids will be openable. Such volume management is just historically unpopular, 1 lid cases few cents cheaper in production.
Very cool! How does is the power consumption you measures compare with HDD NAS setups?
The system is the same given the same CPU/ NICs/ components. The SSDs tend to use less power, but you need more of them for a given capacity.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo ah, good point! So there's an effective power consumption per TB.
Thanks for the Video. I was already looking for this NAS. Great job !
Question 1: is it possible to connect it directly with a PC via USB to use the full speed ?
Question 2: can I use WiFi in any way ?
1. I do not think so.
2. It does not have built-in WiFi. I think you can add it via USB but we only tried wired USB NICs that did not work. The ASUSTOR management interface has a USB WiFi setting though so it probably works
(I've since seen this box reviewed a bunch of places, but you were the first, from my perspective at least...) I just replaced a pair of HP Proliant boxes with a lot of 3.5" spinning rust, with the little version of this and raid-6 over 6x2T. *vast* upgrade, quieter, cooler, faster in every way. Shoved ubuntu 23.04 on it (8G onboard is way too small, but it's enough to get going with setup until I carved off a mirror of some extra space on two of the slightly larger SSDs for the root disk - turns out 50G is decent for an OS install, and *round off error* for 2T SSD sizes :-) Also maxed out the RAM. (For all the complaints about it being underpowered - for me, it was a cheap upgrade for a cheap homelab setup, if anything it was overpowered.)
Glad you have had a good experience thus far! We have been using both of these daily
The first thing I absolutely thought of when I saw these were storage and not anything robust like 4k video editing.
I’m looking to get into something like this because I do not want to buy spinning hard drives in 2024.
There are people, who just need large storages for storing movies or recorded videos, once data is stored there won't be a lot of editing in them,
Hard drives are not a good solution due to moving, fragile and bulky parts...
Ssd will shine in such cases...
A solution must exist with
1. Lower transfer speeds.
2. Lower TBW
3. Lower write speeds, (and a fast cache drive)
4. Sata as it would be cheaper than m.2
I like the low latency that this would provide
as per intel spec N5105 only allows 16GB ram
seriously, they should go for N100 or N305 already and get 1 extra pcie lanes to play with.
I agree. We have a N305 review recorded and just waiting on editing. That is a really interesting chip.
They should make a version that comes preconfigured to just work with 6-8 m.2 SSDs along with a connection for easy expansion using a DAS enclosure for bulk storage.
The same form factor with a Ryzen V3C18 would be amazing. Enough CPU power to run some VMs / Dockers plus insane I/O capability (20L pcie4 + dual 10gbe) for a blazing fast NAS.
A Proxmox dream machine.
But then you lose the hardware transcode, no?
@@MichaelBoratko Yes. Since this cpu, doesn't include an encoder like QSV nor a iGPU. You could still transcode using the much more powerful CPU core.
@@MichaelBoratko Ultimately, it will depend on how such motherboard is constructed. If they want a NAS only, it is likely that an ASPEED AST2600 BMC chip would be used or something of the sort. They might decide to add a small GPU if they want to hit the HTPC/ PLEX market. But it is likely that they would instead use something like a 7840U, if they want media capability.
@4:02 looks like the animation is showing the kensington lock port instead of the TOSLINK ports.
3:39 great now I could try both sides of the USB when putting together the NAS😂
There should be a usb c connection on the 12 version to connect directly to a computer, as well as that 10gbe. Pretty good, and tempting, to be able to store, but also do cheap vms.
Super idea. I think the N5105 is limited in terms of high-speed IO lanes. This is already pushing the platform pretty far. Hopefully on a refresh that would be possible.
Thank you for the detailed review. I am looking for a NAS that I can stream my hi-res music directly to my AVR using Heos. What other NAS units would you recommend?
I built an SSD media machine for my parents because of low noise... problem was limited storage and large size... I would love to stick in behind the TV but it would be even better if it was fanless.
Home assistant as well? Because that would be fun.
The HDMI port on the thing is a strange addition. Did they intend it to be connected to a display? I mean I guess it might help troubleshooting but that's not a typical appliance.
great video always very thorough
Thanks!
Hey thanks for the video!
Where is the OS installed on it? Can you put a distro like TrueNAS?
There is 8GB onboard eMMC. Some folks have installed Linux on it.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Good to know, thanks a lot! This should also be doable DIY, with more power consumption :)
Why does your ps4 look weird?
Seriously though these are neat. Seems like a good small form factor NAS
you guys menages to get the optical audio wrong despite it being yellow, props fro the editor lol
More 8TB / 16TB or higher 2.5" SATA drive should be made. Then they can be easily used for 2.5" NAS or simply put into a USB HDD case. Single SATA drive will saturate 2 x 2.5GbE, 2 drive will saturate 10GbE, so it is fast enough for NAS. Now TLC/QLC flash is cheap enough that consumer can afford such 8TB+ drive
If I were choosing between the two models, I think I would choose the two 2.5GbE one over the single 10GbE simply because it has 2 physical ports. I really like having a separate management network. I've also been thinking about setting up a Ceph cluster and that second port is useful for segregating the OSD's backend traffic from client access traffic.
Why not just use VLANs? I'm sure it supports VLANs.
@@charlesturner897 because I already have a physically separate, private network already set up. In fact, every cat6 drop already has 2 cables running back to the central switches/router.
@@seanpalmer8472 but why not just add up an usb-nic for management then?
@@coolm98 It's probably just me, but I have terrible luck with USB-anything that stays plugged in 24/7 (apart from mice and keyboards). They seem to die on me prematurely and/or aren't consistently reliable. Now, I avoid those kinds of devices as a general rule.
@@seanpalmer8472 that seems incredibly wasteful, 2.5Gb just for management?
Perfect backup system.
10:30 Set up for RAID-5? I thought that was deprecated for such large drives and you should be using RAID-6.
Not for SSDs. Lower UBER and fast rebuilds.
been waitng for wsomething like this
You could probably get away with the same total price to just ding together an old T7520 with a pair of Hyper M.2 carriers in the 2 bifurcation slots, and get a dramatically faster, more adaptable NAS.
Would like to see a version that could run unraid as well
My guess is that you can do it. People have installed Ubuntu and other OSes on this.
I hope Synology will release a similar model with the DSM...
I have a home nas that I’m slowly converting to SSDs for the lower noise and power draw. I saw the m.2 price drops and figured that if I had a system with more M.2 / pcie slots it would be compelling.
That said, would love to see this in a rack mount form factor instead of this weird parallelogram. The price also seems a bit high before I’d bite.
Also, I worry about using consumer ssds with onboard ram and without power loss protection
Edit: it’s N5105?! This is so pointless when you have all the drives squeezing through so few pcie lanes
a small ups would mitigate most of the power loss concerns, as long as it could communicate with the device to tell it to flush all caches. wouldn't need a very big one in this instance. i wonder if linux could be told to acknowledge sync writes as complete when they hit ram if there is a ups connected.
I'm more annoyed at putting all this high speed nvme behind 2.5 or 10g networking, such a waste
@@konzo5942 But its aimed at the home user, and most home users dont have 10G even. When you start going to enterprise you start need more resilience so you end up with multiple independent nodes with a separate back end networking for inter node communication and each node having multiple 10Gbit interfaces.
@@nexus1972 kinda missed my point. multiple 10g is still slow. the servers i deploy have a minimum of 2*40g, usually 2*100g. a single nvme has 32gbps bandwidth, and theres like 6 of them here, so you are losing so so much putting it behind these slow interfaces. id rather just buy a pair of older ex server 8tb ssds on the cheap and attach them to some mini pc.
@@konzo5942 no you've missed the point. This is a home.appliance not an enterprise piece of equipment. 10g isn't common in homes your anecdote about 2x40gb and 2x100gbit is not the asustor market you're in datacenter territory there and you're going to be going down the tantric or powerstore or some other enterprise piece of equipment not a micky mouse home sector nas. Heck my home.lab is only 10gbit based and most home users don't have or need 10gbit. Even 2.5 is low % in home market atm.
@@nexus1972 home appliance with 6 nvmes... my point is that this is such a waste. 10g is cheap, NICs for 50$ online, this device with drives is already $800 so 10g isn't much more. With your argument you should just put some usb HDDs on a raspberry pi, because who would need more right?? Anyway the people with home nases are the same people who would have a faster home network. I don't know any soccer mom with a homelab.
Now let's swap in a new SSD into that RAID and watch the NAS automatically heal the storage volume.
What would be a good DIY solution to the 12 nic version of this. Seems like you would need a lot of pcie lanes and bifurcated nvme cards. Any actual hardware recommendations? Ideally similar price or cheaper.
I kind of get it, but since they don't need pcie drives for performance, you could also build something like it with Sata SSDs which could make it cheaper as there are less pcie lane issues. At least for DIY you could get the same results with sata for cheaper, but probably not easily in that small space.
Hey ServeTheHome, Thanks for yet again a great video, I could not help but notice that unlike other videos you did not cover the capabilities of the 10g port version.
Normally you will say whether the 10g port does or does not support different lower speeds like 5, 2.5 or 1g. I was Not able to find this info on your site’s (STH) news article.
I think this is key to know as you can only get 6 drives for the 2.5 ver but 12 for the 10g ver. For myself for example i have a 2.5g network at home only and would only buy the 12 bay ver for future proofing.
- - - Could someone please comment if it supports the lower speeds and if so which ones?
- - - Side question: does anyone know how well this would perform as a PLEX server? I assume transcoding would not work so only devices that direct play ect.
I was just about to buy one of the 12 pro, but I bet now because of the video they will be sold out for a few years hahaha
4 screws deters people opening it up and pocketing some ssds. I know YOU want quick easy access but in some applications you want to encumber access and make it harder to get into. At least 4 screws means you need a screwdriver and a bit of time to open it.
Man, I love to see if I could set up one of those as the "cache drive" for my actual server and have it backup to HDD at night.
this looks like it could be nice for running local blockchain nodes
That thing is pretty cool..... I dont know if I would use M.2 for NAS as there is a finite read/write they can do. I stick to spinning rust for my NAS. I use enterprise grade SAS drives in my disk shelf JBOD setup.
Loving the lack of the jarring rewind intro🎉
As always, a work in progress. I think Alex did a great job on this one
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Agree! Nailed it!
crazy idea, probably, but there are m.2 nvme to sata adapters and there can be 5 sata ports, I've seen even 6 ports, so in theory even the one with 6 ports could have 6×6 36 drives, and the one with 12 12×6 72 sata drives, in theory. Probably sounds like a crazy idea
All I'm waiting for is a N100 based version
I've found SMB Multichannel a pain in the ass to get consistently working on Windows 10.
What OS was running on the clients for these tests? Also, do the NICs have DMA support?