It was so funny when it happened dude. Thruth is, I didn't really care about the spearmen. I grabbed them last second and put them with my lord cause why not? But they were already wavering.
@@dukeligos6784 Dude, that was an ace game and easily the closest match I have ever seen. And then that happened and it was so unexpected that I had to rewind.
That was a brilliant battle. I was worried about how you'd handle the crane gunners after seeing your video on their buffs but you played it really well!
It's good to see Skullcrushers performing well here but I still wish that CA would make them closer to War Bear Riders: lower model count, high HP, elite monstrous cavalry like they were in tabletop. They actually lose to the bear boys on the charge at the moment and that shouldn't be happening to a unit that costs 300g more and fills a similar role.
Tbh, when they announced them, i thought it's going to be a 16 stack or less with a lot of mass each that can charge through a infantry unit without slowing down.. Instead they're just a bit heavier heavy cav and meanwhile, aspiring champions that are just a bit better than chosen 1:1 turned out to be the elite 16 stack and suck ass..
Two Skullcrushers left and all that herald heard was, "it does not matter from whence it flows. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" As true champions they charge into that glorious night.
The remnants of both armies lining up in front of each other both getting ready for the final charge might have been one of the coolest things I’ve seen in this game.
Those skullcrushers hanging in there with 2 models as opposed to the other group of 7 or 8 that was in the distance. I'm not sure what leadership shenanigans were going on but it was really weird. Did they get some kind of army losses advantage in leadership?
Also worth noting there's a leadership bonus for charging and winning fights. Also, when the Sentinel was taking damage it may not have been listed as "faster and stronger enemies nearby" so another penalty removed. Also being close to a lord or hero gives leadership buffs too so being closer to the lord also helps. I'm not sure if there's hidden calcs based on the balance bar, but there might be where the sentinel took damage and thus that team had less cp or whatever the metric is called. It seems to make a difference but i don't know if it does besides army losses penalties being calculated.
I was surprised how they lasted as well, but yeah it was probably a combination of winning combat morale buff, and being in leadership radius of the Herald
So good to see another wh3 replay again! Thanks for sticking through your plague of nurgle! Very quality video and your voice was only a comical addition when it cracked!! Haha After seeing this I have to try out a crusher core for myself now! They look so cool haha Blood for the blood God!
Heck of a battle! Glad to see the Skullcrushers hanging in the fight so long. Given the price if players aren't seeing them off I'd hope they'd basically fight to the death. Hope you feel better soon!
The Hellforged Hosts are really strong but I feel like out of all of the RoRs introduced, the best of them were The Bringers of Beguilement. That rampage is insane on top of a stat line that rivals literally the best of the best infantry units running at slow heavy cav speed with perfect vigour. I mean come on now? With soporific musk and devastating flanker as well? Theyre actually insane
just a note. when opponent runs an expensive unit in your cheap one, that's exactly time to cast Talons of The Night. Even better when they attack your single unit with some expensive unit. I would say this build had too many crane gunners to protect properly. maybe drop some and bring war balloon with rockets instead? Just park it above spears and blast whatever comes close range.
Hey Indy, would you do a video how the imperial or bretonnian infantry perform compared to WH2 and WH3 infantry? I can imagine that they lack behind in some points
@@cheesus7672 elite regular humans doesn't say much compared to eternal demons, ancient elves, monsters bred for war, chaos roided northmen etc. Some races just have shitty infantry, simple as
@@cheesus7672 As a whole, Bret infantry is the worst in the game. They basically have an inferior version of everything the empire has. The only infantry that has worse stats are clan rats and basic skeletons, but they have thousands of more HP and the skeletons don't route. Their infantry also peaks at Squires which are the weakest and lowest tier "elite" infantry in the game. Their ranged infantry also peaks with peasant bowmen... To be fair though, neither of them are supposed to have impressive infantry. Even Greatswords aren't that elite by Empire standards. The main things that separate them from regular state troops is that they're given better equipment and they have more experience so they're braver and more disciplined (this meant more in TT). In purely practical terms, Dwarf warriors were an equally elite and capable infantry in TT. Just like Bretonnia, the Empire's true elites are on horseback (or manning expensive equipment)
@@SuperThest I just can't play empire or bretonia because of that. They're supposed to be hammer and anvil armies but the anvil doesn't last long enough for the cav to get behind them.
@@SuperThest I would think the bloodletters would win, as the Krimson Killaz are standard rank 9 black orcs but with splash attacks, which are mostly useful against low health infantry. It does help against elite infantry, as it lowers overkill damage, but its impact to actual damage output against high health is fairly small.
@@noahhaller4540 Bloodletters aren't low HP infantry. They effectively have 115 HP each. Regular black orcs would likely cause very little overkill on the charge, but lose 8 damage on average on all of their regular attacks to overkill (compared to 3 with splash attacks). In a way, regular black orcs would do less damage, but they might kill models faster, which is also important for actually winning. EDIT: In practical terms though, the KK would still need to make around the same amount of attacks though
@@SuperThest Thats what I was thinking, the ROR advantage of Krimson Killaz makes them the best chaff clearers in the game, but only provides marginal benefit against other elite infantry, such as Hellforged Host. Meanwhile the ROR advantage of HH is extra armor, always useful, and a twice as quick charge on Hellblade, along with having the best melee stats, charge bonus, of any infantry.
@@milkandcookiesTW just hoping they do her model right. So many artistic renditions of her but her GW model is... Subpar. As a smaller unit she'll have to be pretty unique to keep pace, especially next to a lord like skarbrand (best LL so far, cough)
Terra cotta sentinel should have maybe focused on killing those skull krushers at the end instead of the Herald? Feels like he was an mmo boss that got tank and spanked
I still think that an unbreakable SEM like the Sentinel should have a crumbling mechanic. Give it super high leadership so it's still really strong, but having an entity of that strength remain to the very end, to me, is just annoying. Imagine if a Rogue Idol, dragon or Shaggoth was unbreakable for example.
krimson killas or fully upgraded archaon chosen surely might give the host some damage, though I guess that physical resistance that daemons have must be aids to get through
i would pay double the game price if they add elemental effects to units( burning after cleaved by fire sword ) and more sync anims for races like in Matched combat mod
Cathay threw that one. Not just the talons of night, but if he had just targeted the skullcrushers instead of the herald the sentinel would have won. Instead, by targeting the herald, the sentinel kept the crushers beating on him for minutes even though he could've routed them off. Just one attack their way instead of the herald..
The fact that they do fire damage would probably make Hellforged lose to anything that's both elite and have fire resist Phoenix Guard for example Edit: Nevermind, apparently Phoenix Guard don't have fire resist
You're thinking of Dragon Princesses, PG are hard countered by them. The only melee infantry I can think of that has fire resistance the Clan rat and tzar guard RoRs, but I'm not sure they'd win
@@brasswing2681 Yeah I guess they have the ability that adds it. But they also have physical resistance, so it's a wash. The clan rats are the only ones that have enough fire resist to make a noticeable impact, and they're just clan rats.
The flaming treekin likely are the only time you'll ever see a spirit pick against khorne, and the fact that it is given in an aura around the flaming treekin would also make an entire woodelf blob resistant to most of Khorne's roster. So they might be an auto include to soak up charges and flame while the wood elfs do their thing.
From my experience skullcrushers are still worse than minotaurs. They somehow get bogged down more easily even by puny cathay infantry than minotaurs and easily destroyed. Despite both having supposedly same mass
Skullcrushers of Khorne to this day, gained more of the same treatment as the Chaos Steeds through the entire series and it is sad to watch. It is so silly, to see how tiny a juggernaut is compared to a normal horse, or bear mount for that matter. They need to be of a much smaller unit count with more mass and size to boot as well.
They would've just turned and ran again, the sentinel has incredibly slow turning so needed to commit to killing one or the other. If it successfully killed the lord, the battle would've ended instantly.
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@@milkandcookiesTW Indy... you're holding out on us
That last talons of night was so miscalculated, it was glorious.
It was the coffin nail for that battle, Cathay had it if they were patient
It was so funny when it happened dude. Thruth is, I didn't really care about the spearmen. I grabbed them last second and put them with my lord cause why not? But they were already wavering.
@@dukeligos6784 yeah but you played it really well. Thought you had it at the end but those skullcrushers were insane!
@@dukeligos6784 Dude, that was an ace game and easily the closest match I have ever seen. And then that happened and it was so unexpected that I had to rewind.
@@talmorean6573 The peasants might have eaten some damage from the skullcrushers that instead went into the sentinel. GG
That was a brilliant battle. I was worried about how you'd handle the crane gunners after seeing your video on their buffs but you played it really well!
glad you enjoyed it!
I can't wait to see matches between Khorne and Vampire Counts
It's good to see Skullcrushers performing well here but I still wish that CA would make them closer to War Bear Riders: lower model count, high HP, elite monstrous cavalry like they were in tabletop. They actually lose to the bear boys on the charge at the moment and that shouldn't be happening to a unit that costs 300g more and fills a similar role.
Tbh, when they announced them, i thought it's going to be a 16 stack or less with a lot of mass each that can charge through a infantry unit without slowing down.. Instead they're just a bit heavier heavy cav and meanwhile, aspiring champions that are just a bit better than chosen 1:1 turned out to be the elite 16 stack and suck ass..
Two Skullcrushers left and all that herald heard was, "it does not matter from whence it flows. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" As true champions they charge into that glorious night.
The remnants of both armies lining up in front of each other both getting ready for the final charge might have been one of the coolest things I’ve seen in this game.
Every time I hear Lomgma, I expect a follow up punchline.
I have a terrible disease called Longma.
Whats Longma?
Longma balls
thanksfr=or bringing us this enjoyable video while battling the Gifts
That was fucking awesome. I like to think you threw your voice out while practicing Khorne screams for this video.
Ty Mr. Meeseeks for this amazing cast!
Those skullcrushers hanging in there with 2 models as opposed to the other group of 7 or 8 that was in the distance. I'm not sure what leadership shenanigans were going on but it was really weird. Did they get some kind of army losses advantage in leadership?
You get a bonus in leadership next to a lord and maybe they were more exhausted?
Also worth noting there's a leadership bonus for charging and winning fights. Also, when the Sentinel was taking damage it may not have been listed as "faster and stronger enemies nearby" so another penalty removed. Also being close to a lord or hero gives leadership buffs too so being closer to the lord also helps.
I'm not sure if there's hidden calcs based on the balance bar, but there might be where the sentinel took damage and thus that team had less cp or whatever the metric is called. It seems to make a difference but i don't know if it does besides army losses penalties being calculated.
I was surprised how they lasted as well, but yeah it was probably a combination of winning combat morale buff, and being in leadership radius of the Herald
I love your videos. Your commentary is always funny and insightful. Keep up the good work 😁
thanks will do :)
So good to see another wh3 replay again! Thanks for sticking through your plague of nurgle! Very quality video and your voice was only a comical addition when it cracked!! Haha
After seeing this I have to try out a crusher core for myself now! They look so cool haha
Blood for the blood God!
Love the clarification on Crane Gunners in this vid.
Awesome vid man
Heck of a battle! Glad to see the Skullcrushers hanging in the fight so long. Given the price if players aren't seeing them off I'd hope they'd basically fight to the death. Hope you feel better soon!
thanks mate!
The Hellforged Hosts are really strong but I feel like out of all of the RoRs introduced, the best of them were The Bringers of Beguilement. That rampage is insane on top of a stat line that rivals literally the best of the best infantry units running at slow heavy cav speed with perfect vigour. I mean come on now? With soporific musk and devastating flanker as well? Theyre actually insane
Amazing battle!
And really Indie, even with the Nurgle voice your vids are always amazing to watch.
Take care Man! Hope You get better soon
just a note. when opponent runs an expensive unit in your cheap one, that's exactly time to cast Talons of The Night. Even better when they attack your single unit with some expensive unit.
I would say this build had too many crane gunners to protect properly. maybe drop some and bring war balloon with rockets instead? Just park it above spears and blast whatever comes close range.
Just when I think you can't keep propelling yourself to the top of my all time fav youtubers, you bust out the Gundam Wing references!
Why does infantry collision look so bad? When the lines collide it’s like they stop first and do a little swing while in 2, it feels like a collision.
Hey Indy, would you do a video how the imperial or bretonnian infantry perform compared to WH2 and WH3 infantry?
I can imagine that they lack behind in some points
Well Bretonnian infantry already performs bad by game 2 standards
@@SuperThest so do the empire swordsmen or spearmen. Also halberdiers are very squishy. Even the Greatswords who are the elite in lore are terrible
@@cheesus7672 elite regular humans doesn't say much compared to eternal demons, ancient elves, monsters bred for war, chaos roided northmen etc. Some races just have shitty infantry, simple as
@@cheesus7672 As a whole, Bret infantry is the worst in the game. They basically have an inferior version of everything the empire has. The only infantry that has worse stats are clan rats and basic skeletons, but they have thousands of more HP and the skeletons don't route. Their infantry also peaks at Squires which are the weakest and lowest tier "elite" infantry in the game. Their ranged infantry also peaks with peasant bowmen...
To be fair though, neither of them are supposed to have impressive infantry. Even Greatswords aren't that elite by Empire standards. The main things that separate them from regular state troops is that they're given better equipment and they have more experience so they're braver and more disciplined (this meant more in TT). In purely practical terms, Dwarf warriors were an equally elite and capable infantry in TT. Just like Bretonnia, the Empire's true elites are on horseback (or manning expensive equipment)
@@SuperThest I just can't play empire or bretonia because of that. They're supposed to be hammer and anvil armies but the anvil doesn't last long enough for the cav to get behind them.
Good video, as per!
I still find it kinda jarring to watch without blood/gore/dismembering though...
Oh man, I’m keen for that blood pack too! Khorne must be fuming more than usual right now. It’s on the way, slowly but surely! 😂
i appreciate the gundam wing references
straight outta Toonami I cant handle the wing Gundam name drops Im dying
holy shitt the final battle was heart-stoppingly epic AHAHAHAHAHAH BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD INDEED WOOOOOOOO
The crimson killers would like to have a word with the hellforged
The bloodletters would likely win, but It's hard to say because KK are strangely capable
@@SuperThest I would think the bloodletters would win, as the Krimson Killaz are standard rank 9 black orcs but with splash attacks, which are mostly useful against low health infantry. It does help against elite infantry, as it lowers overkill damage, but its impact to actual damage output against high health is fairly small.
@@noahhaller4540 Bloodletters aren't low HP infantry. They effectively have 115 HP each. Regular black orcs would likely cause very little overkill on the charge, but lose 8 damage on average on all of their regular attacks to overkill (compared to 3 with splash attacks). In a way, regular black orcs would do less damage, but they might kill models faster, which is also important for actually winning.
EDIT: In practical terms though, the KK would still need to make around the same amount of attacks though
@@SuperThest Thats what I was thinking, the ROR advantage of Krimson Killaz makes them the best chaff clearers in the game, but only provides marginal benefit against other elite infantry, such as Hellforged Host. Meanwhile the ROR advantage of HH is extra armor, always useful, and a twice as quick charge on Hellblade, along with having the best melee stats, charge bonus, of any infantry.
I need a dedicated melee lord with the Shugengan's animations
Wow, that was a fantastic match, thanks for sharing o7
sure thing!
Indy do you know if there is a discord or something similar for ranked land battles? I'm done with dom mode
Those skullchrusher arent just heroes, they are monsters and I hope father Khorne finds them worthy of the rewards I feel they earned
Man I am HUNGERING for the chaos armies, Valkya in particular
yeah Valkia is sick. cant wait to play her
@@milkandcookiesTW just hoping they do her model right. So many artistic renditions of her but her GW model is... Subpar. As a smaller unit she'll have to be pretty unique to keep pace, especially next to a lord like skarbrand (best LL so far, cough)
Well i know for a fact that those 2 remaining crushers got promoted. And the herald probably ascended
Shenlong gundam YES!!!!!!!!! My favorite one!
Terra cotta sentinel should have maybe focused on killing those skull krushers at the end instead of the Herald? Feels like he was an mmo boss that got tank and spanked
I did focus on the skull krushers, they simply didn't rout.
@@dukeligos6784 Neeeeeerf time! Lol
Salute to the Skullcrushers
dragon blood with a nice kamahameha
Kaido for Warhammer
I don’t recall if the RoRs are available in previous campaigns or at all tbh. Might just multiplayer only for game 3.
Yes they were.
@@rubz1390 Strange. In my ogre campaign the Pistol RoR didn’t show up at all after the patch.
@@GlamdringandOrcrist Oh thought you meant like Warhammer1 or Warhammer2.
I still think that an unbreakable SEM like the Sentinel should have a crumbling mechanic. Give it super high leadership so it's still really strong, but having an entity of that strength remain to the very end, to me, is just annoying. Imagine if a Rogue Idol, dragon or Shaggoth was unbreakable for example.
krimson killas or fully upgraded archaon chosen surely might give the host some damage, though I guess that physical resistance that daemons have must be aids to get through
they'll take damage in tons of fights. but they will definitely beat Chosen. hard to calculate for Krimson Killerz tho,
Great battle!
It would be cool if there was a target lock on enemies
i would pay double the game price if they add elemental effects to units( burning after cleaved by fire sword ) and more sync anims for races like in Matched combat mod
crimson killaz vs hellforge host, who will win?
Cathay threw that one. Not just the talons of night, but if he had just targeted the skullcrushers instead of the herald the sentinel would have won. Instead, by targeting the herald, the sentinel kept the crushers beating on him for minutes even though he could've routed them off. Just one attack their way instead of the herald..
is khorne worth playing now?
Pretty sure, hellforge host loses against norglimlins iron breaker, and possibly keepers of the flame.
Norglimlins and krimson killaz showing everyone how to heavy infantry since WH1.
Maybe vs crimson killaz as well. The cleave attack might win them the fight
@@awsomeman350 forgot them, they are beasts, too.
Wonder how they would do agianst chosen with shields. 60 armor is still mid tier so no need for great weaponjs ones and GW have way worse stats.
@@michalpiotrgorecki they would probably win. They have 25 physical resist, so that's them taking 25 percent less damage. They win no problem
EPIC!!
The guest voice over was different
The fact that they do fire damage would probably make Hellforged lose to anything that's both elite and have fire resist
Phoenix Guard for example
Edit: Nevermind, apparently Phoenix Guard don't have fire resist
You're thinking of Dragon Princesses, PG are hard countered by them. The only melee infantry I can think of that has fire resistance the Clan rat and tzar guard RoRs, but I'm not sure they'd win
@@SuperThest I believe slayer ror has fire resistance
@@brasswing2681 Yeah I guess they have the ability that adds it. But they also have physical resistance, so it's a wash. The clan rats are the only ones that have enough fire resist to make a noticeable impact, and they're just clan rats.
The flaming treekin likely are the only time you'll ever see a spirit pick against khorne, and the fact that it is given in an aura around the flaming treekin would also make an entire woodelf blob resistant to most of Khorne's roster. So they might be an auto include to soak up charges and flame while the wood elfs do their thing.
when you still lose with 3 of the most overbuffed units :s
again CA went ovewr the top in balancing where just some adjustments would've been necessary. Crane Gunners are rediculous
From my experience skullcrushers are still worse than minotaurs. They somehow get bogged down more easily even by puny cathay infantry than minotaurs and easily destroyed. Despite both having supposedly same mass
thanks for covering a land battle, nothing as cinematic
Skullcrushers of Khorne to this day, gained more of the same treatment as the Chaos Steeds through the entire series and it is sad to watch.
It is so silly, to see how tiny a juggernaut is compared to a normal horse, or bear mount for that matter.
They need to be of a much smaller unit count with more mass and size to boot as well.
Err what they are bigger than horses and are the right size for the riders
Juggernauts probably aren't as big as you think. The scale on the in game models are almost identical to GWs
They seem to be correct size wdym.
They are in this awkward bigger than horse but not monstrous cav tier with horned ones.
Cathay could won but made a huge mistake he wasted the spell and he should just focus on the last cav because he would win anyway in a 1v1
They would've just turned and ran again, the sentinel has incredibly slow turning so needed to commit to killing one or the other. If it successfully killed the lord, the battle would've ended instantly.
Dang man, your voice sounded painful! Hope you don't have the nasty flu/COVID/allergy combo that's been going around!
Bruh how are you able to play land battles all I can usually get is domination mode and I'm starting to get bored of that
You can play Land battles in battle list, usually i just set up matches with friends and competent opponents when I play
those crane gunners have some silly animations
gg. wp all. XD
good luck with the acne while going thru puberty Indy!