Video Game Piracy Is NOT Good, Actually
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ค. 2024
- Lextorias' videos are pretty bomb even if I disagree with this particular one, so please, check out his channel here: / @lextorias
I disagree with Lextorias on the topic of video game piracy because I believe it undermines the hard work and creativity of game developers. When people pirate games, they're essentially stealing the product without compensating the creators. This can lead to significant financial losses for game studios, making it harder for them to continue producing quality content. Moreover, piracy can stifle innovation within the gaming industry, as developers may be less inclined to take risks if they fear their work will be stolen. Additionally, piracy can harm the overall gaming community by potentially reducing the resources available for customer support, updates, and future game development. While I understand the arguments for accessibility and affordability, I believe there are better ways to address these issues without resorting to piracy, with the BEST way being mentioned in this video. Watch to find out how.
Chapters
Introduction: 0:00-2:34
Denuvo: 2:35-6:03
Piracy's Effect on Sales: 6:04-11:40
Capitalism: 11:41-13:45
The Best Way to Combat Piracy: 13:46-15:40
Emulation and Game Preservation: 15:41-19:32
Foreign Countries and Piracy: 19:33-21:53
Conclusion: 21:54-23:58 - เกม
Your arguments in this video, especially in the back half, makes this a must watch for anyone on the fence concerning this issue
Yeaaah why do I always get into my stride later in the video? Lol.
That's exactly how I would imagine a paid corporation comment would look like on a youtube channel supporting their grift.
No I don't believe that companies will reward employees for their work, nor do I believe they'd do things like remove Denuvo if people vote with their wallet. I agree that if you can't buy it, you just shouldn't play it, and personally I don't pirate games, but to use things like "Maybe technology will get better so the anti-tamper isn't awful" and "Maybe if you just don't buy the game they'll change" as excuses are not good enough.
You know that not enough people will change their minds about a purchase over Denuvo, you know that games shouldn't be legally locked away for 90+ years in Nintendo's copyright vault, you know that voting with your wallet only pertains to withholding money from big companies and they don't care one bit if you buy something indie instead.
We're both well aware you're not going to change your stance on it because you do think it's stealing and this boils down to "Stealing is wrong, do not steal." we don't have to make up these "Think about the employees" rhetorics or try to play devil's advocate for triple A developers. The boardroom doesn't care if I can't afford a game, and we shouldn't care about these theoretical millions and millions of work hours people already got paid for to make the games. If they accommodated the consumer at all with affordable prices, convenient distribution, and trusted them enough to not put essentially spyware on their products, there might be a case, but too many people are mindless zombie consumers for any of that to ever actually matter.
Gaming would benefit greatly from a crash.
Yeah, like I said in another comment, the DRM issue is a hard one to tackle.
And you’re right, I really wanted to drive the point home that piracy IS stealing at the end of the day. If enough people cared to refuse to support big corporations, I do think it would make a difference.
In a perfect world piracy wouldn’t exist, and everyone who pirated would vote with their wallet, and maybe devs could see that, well, they’re not even PLAYING our game, something must be up, and some actual changes would happen.
But it’s not a perfect world. People are still going to pirate, companies will still have DRM, and this issue will continue.
Either way, even talking about this is a step in the right direction.
welp this video was made for friendly debate so why not get debating, so:
piracy probably doesnt really help the industry, but helps the consumer and isnt really morally wrong
the whole denuvo thing is pretty obvious, its terribly optimized but one thing you did miss is it in fact does stop piracy for a lot of different games. only the most popular denuvo games are probably going to get cracked while the ones not as popular will probably not get cracked for a long while.
viruses, you make a point that viruses are a big bad lurking on piracy websites, but all you need to do is find one that you know is safe and popular and use that site, still worried about viruses? VM (Virtual Machine) it. a virtual machine is basically running windows inside of windows, making it so most viruses cant escape. or, dont give it any permissions. most games wont need permission to edit your machine in the first place nor access to the internet even. even if you did get a virus all you'd need to do is re-install windows from a clean slate, i already do that about yearly anyway to remove clutter and bloatware.
for the bit about if 10% of pirates purchased the game it wouldve doubled the revenue, his point that hes trying to make is that despite people pirating the game the studio was wildly successful with soaring profits. the part you also conveniently left out is saying if those numbers are accurate, and the entire thing beforehand about how data sets are inaccurate. we don't know if they're telling the truth or not about that. i guess you kind of say something at the end but that feels like a mere fraction of the time taking their reports at face value, and then later ignore it.
drawing the line where piracy is immoral is pretty easy in fact, you probably shouldnt pirate indie devs because when you buy their piece of art, they get 100% of the profits. all of the profits goes to a small team of devs who put their work into their game. i say shouldnt because not everyone is fortunate to be in scenarios where they can spend money on games. some are in other countries, as you've said, but some people are just poor, everyone i know who pirates games does it out of a necessity and its hard to judge someone who does that. on top of that theres plenty of people who pirate games as to try them before they buy them. when you think pirate you shouldnt think of someone who doesnt have to worry about buying a game, because they will buy the game, no reason not to.
for the thing about AAA game studios, yes, it is true that developers of AAA studios should be paid for all of their hard work, something you left out of this video is the part where he said even if you pay a company a ton of your money that doesnt mean the employees will be treated well or get paid well. i shouldnt call it one of my favorite animes but i dont watch that much anime, so, one of my favorite animes jujutsu kaisen has this issue. the people who work for the studio, MAPPA, are often commissioned for work at a rate where they're sometimes being paid pennies on the hour, with strict deadlines to boot. ironic you mention nintendo developers because Japanese work culture is actually horrific. if im paying to view a piece of art, but all of the artists have already been paid, and at the same time were also treated badly, why shouldnt i pirate it? seriously, the situation at MAPPA is genuinely horrific. some of the animators have said "im seriously deflated, nothing is fun anymore, i cant stand it" and other alarming messages that would need a trigger warning, i recommend looking into it if you have the time. you also didnt mention the part where Bobby Kotick left Activision Blizzard with a 400 million dollar severance, however you were very close to it. if i were to buy a game instead of pirating it whos to say my money would end up in the hands of someone who deserves it and not making a rich guy richer, or how about the higher ups at blizzard who turned out to be really bad people. thats like paying a charity that gives the founder 99% of profits but 1% goes to a kid in need, its not worth it. a company that makes more money doesnt mean that the developers will get paid well or will get better conditions.
the part where the data about piracy is inconclusive and correlation doesnt equal causation, i dont think you got what he meant. he meant because theres lots of variables in an industry like this its hard to pinpoint which variable is causing what data set to change and it can cause a variety of conclusions.
piracy as a protest, imo, is moral. you make a point about just "not buying the game and voting with your wallet". well, if im never going to purchase the game, and the developers who make the games are most likely never going to see my money, and the publishing company is just evil, then it shouldnt hurt anyone for me to pirate it. im not ganna buy it anyway so why should they care?
thats basically it, all of my points still stand for illegal emulation and theres no reason for me to disagree with legal emulation, and ive already made my stance known about people in other countries who arent as lucky as you or me. right now in poland where my friend lives, everything is double the cost and the minimum wage is half. essentially shes paying 4x money when she shouldnt be. a nice little 5$ game meant to deliver on the 5$ pricetag (being short, sweet, but well made) is now 20$ to her, a 20$ indie game is now 80$ to her, and a AAA game is something that she simply cannot purchase no matter what. i try not to judge with piracy, because, you never know what situation someone is in or what their moral compass is when talking about something like this.
The main good of piracy is preservation, something that IMO shouldn't even be a necessity in the first place, abandonware should be classified as such and distribution of unlicensed copies should be made legal.
Also why the hell can't companies just sell roms/isos of their old games on their website? Like you could be making money off of people wanting to play your old games, but you make them turn to piracy instead?
Anyway I don't think there's anything wrong with pirating a game if you can't buy a new copy, since buying a used copy is effectively the same thing as far as money going to the developer/publisher.
Another case where I will turn to piracy is when I own a game already but can't access it on my platform of choice. More specifically I own a lot of games on steam that are best played on Windows XP, I have a PC set up specifically for this purpose, but I can't play my steam games on it because steam doesn't support Windows XP, so I have to resort to piracy to be able to play those games on that PC. I own the game, I have paid for it and if I have to pirate it to play it the way I want to then there's nothing wrong with that, but once again it's stupid that I have to.
There is also one benefit of piracy to the developer/publisher, however it's only really relevant for middleware or indie games, and that's that it can act as a free demo for people who aren't willing to put down the money up front (of course refunds being a thing on steam nowadays does deminish that need), the people pirating the game can then spread the word about how good the game is leading to an increase in legitimate sales.
That aside I generally agree that it's better to just not buy a game that implements terrible DRM or something else, or if you really like the game but want the better version of it, buy it and then pirate it and play the pirate copy. You've paid for the game so there shouldn't be a problem with playing a different copy of it, right?
As for people being priced out I don't think it's good (morally) to resort to piracy, but I also don't think it's that bad, since the developer/publisher never would've gotten a sale out of them anyway, it's no money lost to them. I'd say it gets more questionable the more possible it is for someone to buy the game at some point, like if you live in a western country but you're really poor because you have a shit job and rent is high or you're a student or something. At that point just wait for a steep discount and save up some money for it, given enough time most games will be available for $5 after a few years unless they're call of duty or something so popular it retains its value for really long like The Witcher 3 or GTA V.
Look into the Carrigton event, you'll quickly realise that the current global state of game preservation is extremely close to 0%
Everyone is saying that it helps preservation, it makes everyone feel better, literally no one bothered to check if it was true. One nasty coronal blast our way would literally wipe every hard drive on Earth in seconds. Most Microchips would be irremediably damaged. tbh, it's all a moot point because the day this happens again, we're going back 200 years in terms of technology and we'll have bigger fish to fry. But in the meantime, I'm not going to let people say fake sh!t like we're preserving games, no we're not lol we're just bypassing Ebay's ludicrous prices.
@@SLRModShop While yes, at this point in time legal copies of most games are technically available in some form through second hand selling sites, it is also true that some games are not available at all, such as games that were made dependent on servers that are no longer online or games that were only released digitally, but have since been delisted.
Then there's the slightly grayer area of games that are dependent on DRM that doesn't function on modern machines and cannot be reasonably emulated in any legal way, such as any game protected by early versions of StarForce DRM. Basically, if you want to play something like Trackmania United (not United Forever) and you don't have a PC running Windows XP you're shit out of luck. In this case in particular you're also completely dependent on being able to find a functioning old computer that has a valid Windows XP license key, as those are no longer being sold, meaning there's no way for you to legally install Windows XP on a machine you already own whether it's in a virtual machine or on bare metal.
Copyright law makes it way more difficult, and given enough time impossible, to continue to play older games in a legal manner, carts, tapes and discs degrade over time, servers are shut down, DRM incompatibilities arise, at some point if everyone followed the law no one, or very nearly no one, would be able to play old games.
Many of the points you make in this video don't quite work for various reasons:
Denuvo:
The main problem with Denuvo as you said is significant reduction in performance as a punishment for paying the price for the game while a cracked copy does not have this issue. It's completely justified for consumers to state the obvious issues with this system and decide that they don't way to pay for a worse product, this is especially true because Denuvo games typically get cracked in a month or so, for the majority of consumers waiting a month to receive a better product at a minimal price tag is the better option. The main points you made against denvo being the risk of pirating a game and the pirates not paying for the product are flawed due to reasons I will state within the other points
Crytek:
Contrary to your belief piracy has been shown to increase the revenue for multiple different types of media, this is because the majority of people who pirate a product had zero intention to purchase that product and after completing the game may purchase that product in order to compensate the developers. Saying that piracy directly affects sales relies on a false equivalency that people who pirate the game are people who would have otherwise purchased the game, however due to various reasons (accessibility, performance on lower powered machines (Denuvo), lack of excess funds or unwillingness to spend excess funds) the majority of people who pirate a product do so as they either cannot or do not want to pay for the product.
This also does not include people who pirated a product and then purchased it at a later date, this is a surprisingly common thing for people to do as they do not want to purchase a game due to various legitimate reasons. This is most common for Indie games but I've seen this happen with AAA games as-well. As a personal example I at first pirated Doom Eternal as at the time I didn't have enough money to be comfortable dropping that much on an experience I may not have liked, in the end I bought Doom Eternal as the game warranted it's price-tag to me. I changed from a customer unwilling to purchase the game who would not have perhaps ever, into a customer that purchased it for full price due to piracy.
The issue of Crytek's failure was likely less due to piracy but more due to a detail you skimmed over and that was 'a few failed projects'. In the game industry one failed project can topple an entire studio, the amount of funds (often from investors who seek compensation), time and resources that go into a project just to fail even in the early stages is astronomical. The fact Crytek even got multiple failed projects alone is impressive, many companies even of larger scale don't get that far. This is especially true for the time-frame of Crytek's collapse, with the push for new technologies and breaking new bounds each project a studio undertakes risks the business itself failing if that idea doesn't come to fruition. For example if a game like Baldurs Gate 3 failed, Larian studios would have been dead almost immediately. I think the lack of correlation between piracy and loss of sales, along with the major financial risk of video game development leading to multiple failed products leads to the conclusion of piracy being a main driving factor for the collapse of the company a weak argument in my opinion.
In short if you flip your idea on it's head and instead of treating pirates as people who were going to purchase the product but instead into the more reasonable conclusion of them not going to purchase the product, the people who do pirate and then later decide to purchase the game are revenue the game otherwise would have made. This is why games that often have DRM inside often perform worse than games without (although that comparison is a difficult one to make due to the amount of factors, the crytek example illustrates this to some degree). Both of these ideas aren't fully accurate but I hope you can see that treating pirates as I have is more reasonable and market performance seems to agree.
For the correlation argument, I personally sit in the middle here though against your side due to a few reasons. Mainly while piracy and sales are connected to some degree as these last paragraphs should hopefully show this isn't necessarily the case, along with this piracy and sales have so many different factors going into them especially within the music realm that saying they is a causation relationship is a big stretch and likely less causal than you may expect. Though obviously there is some amount of causation here the effect of which is impossibly hard to determine though.
Capitalism:
I'm not going to get into the major political arguments about capitalism, nor does this video really attempt to do that. I'm just going to bluntly say that assuming the purchased of a game (of which the money doesn't go to the development team but rather the company and/or shareholders and investors) leads to increased salaries and stability for the development team is not true and is the reason 'trickle down economics' isn't a viable economic strategy. As you showed companies making record profits only seek to make more profits and that leads to the layoffs of staff despite the company easily having the funds to keep that staff around. Companies are legally required under capitalism to persue infinite growth, nothing in that goal pertains to paying employees more or giving them more job security no matter if the company is wildly successful (Epic Games) or failing (Crytek). Finally no matter how well a game does, the developers of that game do not see an extra penny of that success, perhaps through some bonuses they may but because developers are salary workers they are legally required to get the amount they worked for no matter what. Piracy at the worst isn't stealing from developers but the company itself, it's CEO's and it's investors which isn't exactly a good thing but is different than 'stealing' from the people who worked on the game.
Crash 4 / Vote with your money:
I absolutely agree, 90% of this section you hit the nail on the head for me but I don't quite get how you manage to see this as a negative for piracy. You say yourself 'vote with your wallet' and in your crash 4 example you did. But what is wrong with piracy here? You decided to refund the game due to a bad decision I see no reason why you cannot pirate the game to play it if you wish and then if the developers resolve the issue or your internet gets fixed you can purchase the game again. To my knowledge Crash 4 is still an always online game on the PC platform and myself I purchased crash 4 and loved it and had no issues. But if you were to say do something alike what I did for Doom Eternal I see absolutely no issue and don't see a reason it could be an issue. Sure while you can't assume everyone who pirates will pay for the game at a later date they don't have to, and as I stated previously it's also wrong to assume that people who pirate the game were paying customers in the first place.
Emulation:
This will be a short section because I agree, emulation is great. The only main thing is the ToTK argument which is less a problem with emulation and more a problem with the fact the got leaked early. While perhaps Yuzu should have not allowed the game to be played early and I do agree with that, they have paid the price for their mistake.
Regional Pricing:
I think your point here might be the one I disagree with the most. I think the fact that come companies are priced out of a game entirely is absolutely horrid and is not worth the slight benefit steam gets from making this change. To combat the issues of people buying keys for cheaper prices steam should have combated the issue more directly, it wouldn't have been easy or easy to stop entirely but it doesn't mean many countries and people don't have the inability to even play the most basic of games and are forced into piracy, nobody should be forced into piracy. Time and time again it's shown that regional pricing is a great way to reduce piracy and often make far more back than any losses from people who want to get a game slightly cheaper due to the sheer amount of people who are now capable of buying your product, for instance an indie developer who reduced the price of their game in Brazil now has that region make up 60% of their revenue. People trying to make a quick buck selling cheaper keys don't make as much of an impact and the solution to these people should be on steams hands, and absolutely not be forced on the customers in other countries.
To conclude I want to say I'm not a prolific pirate, the reason I used the Doom Eternal example so much is because there isn't really another example of me pirating a game in recent memory. I am fortunately blessed to be in a decent financial situation and my interests more align with indie titles more than AAA games. The only time I would personally pirate is for a AAA game I am unsure I want to spend $100 on, or a game that as you said I want to 'vote with my money' as regardless of my financial situation, I don't feel comfortable spending upwards of $130 on a game I don't even know I want to experience or don't want to pay for due to their shady business practices. Wherever that line is depends on the person and their situation, and I believe that piracy is a good thing when it comes to that regard. I believe the idea of voting with your money is one of the best things you can do, and perhaps don't see the argument that pirating a game differs from that ideal much.
Good video, but I hope this wall of text somehow manages to bring some more discussion on the issue and see the idea in a different light perhaps. If you manage to read this, thank you and have a good day :D
The crux of this problem is that innocuous word "potential". Crysis lost "potential" revenue. I have no issue with pirates, I've done my fair share god knows, and I certainly have no beef with developers and publishers moaning about it. But it seems hard to me to get past the fact that they are arguing on what *might* have happened. You know? Yeah, they *might* have sold but then again - they might not. And taking archaic stances and implementing shit like Denuvo will also cost sales. Mine if nothing else. I have totally given up on PC gaming for all the fucking DRM and I refuse to buy games that rely on online services to function when the main part of it is single player. How much "potential" revenue is lost to that when you add it up?
Also - what's the difference between piracy and voting with your wallet?
Anyway, great video man. Rant over. :D
Yeah, the DRM is shitty. That was a hard one to debate.
I guess the difference between piracy and voting with your wallet is that one of them, to me, is morally right and one of them is morally wrong.
I feel like by voting with your wallet, you show you’re not even willing to play their game, even if it were free. I think it forces devs to really look into how to improve if they want to get us truly invested in their product, which so many modern games fail to do these days.
Thanks for the comment, was an interesting viewpoint!
@@thatguybis1997 Fair enough - morals is another fairly nebulous concept lol.
I know what you mean, though. :)
Piracy is necessary for preservation.
It is a requirement to retain digital titles for which publishers might "revoke access." It is a requirement when the publisher has not made any means of legally purchasing said titles, and it is a duty when older titles are re-released but censored or changed. The market necessitated piracy because it not only changed what ownership means, but it outright refuses to preserve and make available its backlog of titles. And when older titles are re released, it is almost a given the re-released will be made worse in every way, including "changes for a modern audience" and inferior technical performance.
My rebuttal.
If buying it does not mean I own it, then pirating it does not mean I stole it.
If you can buy a digital copy of a game only for a company/platform/whatever to decide "you know what, we don't want you to have that" and then pull it from your library (for whatever reason) without reimbursement, _why should anyone be expected to buy it?_
I think this is why emulation and game preservation is important. It helps re-establish that if you own a copy of a game, whether it be digital or physical, then that is your game to play however you see fit, no matter what platform you’re on.
If you do not buy the media and resort to piracy, you never owned it to begin with. You DID steal it.
Yes, bad business practices exist but it doesn’t justify piracy.
@@thatguybis1997 even if you pay 70 bucks for a game in your digital library, you still don't own it.
You are merely renting the license to play, and they can revoke it at any time they please.
That doesn't sound like ownership to me.
Why should people be accused of theft and piracy if they are simply trying to reclaim what they have already paid for?
@@DH-xw6jp Because you agreed to that, it's in all the platforms TOS. Breaking that is theft.
@@DH-xw6jpOk i dont want to offend, i just want to know yorur response.
So you release a great wallpaper, a must have drawing of glowing cats.
You sold it for 50 dollar to copy and use it because its that good, i see it, i like it, and i download it without paying. Because i think if i pay i just buying permission to use it.
So you think thats ok? So everyone can just download your drawing because buying doesnt mean owning your drawing? Or you have other opinion?
@@DH-xw6jp good point, a commenter (@ryderwilson7955) on the video he is responding to said:
"I 'owned' R6S, AC3 and Black Flag, Ubisoft deleted my account due to inactivity.
I will never buy a ubisoft game ever again and forever will be pirating their games for the shiitty move they did."
I still have to watch the video. But I don’t really have the feeling, that piracy is a thing today. In Steam, some games are extremely cheap when they are on discount. Also in the PS store. Nintendo are the only games that stay most of the time very expensive.
They are now many free to play games …
Loved watching this video, I tend to agree with most of the logic behind your points, with the exception of the voting with your wallet one which is partial but strong disagreement. I absolutely agree that you should support game companies that treat their consumers well and buy their content. But I also think that buying the games from the "good" companies, in addition to pirating games from the "bad" companies is the best way to fight bad business practices, as it's similar to tipping a single cent at a restaurant, it very clearly states that you did not forget to tip, but that the employee that served you did an awful job. Additionally, I have recently heard of a concept called whales (I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the subject, so if I am wrong about whales, by all means, feel free to correct me) and they are people who generate the company a ton of revenue, and provides a large percentage of their income. So a company wouldn't necessarily feel a huge impact on sales from most individuals simply because a lot of people buy games just to try them out without reading reviews and they also have their loyal whales propping companies up, and large scale boycotts can be difficult to achieve.
Idk if you know about the Pokemon drama from all of their recent titles that they've released, and also all of the details on Palworld, but pretty much every game they have released in the past (insert whenever you feel Pokémon declined here, I'm not trying to get that into it, just trying to describe a concept) years and many hardcore Pokemon fans are repeatedly outraged because of how they feel its declined, and it's large and popular enough, that even with all of the outraged fans it still sells really well. Then Palworld comes along and makes a better Pokemon game than the actual Pokémon people, it's originally viewed as a cheap knockoff but gained popularity immediately once it demonstrated how good it was, and it sold more than almost all main series Pokémon releases other than the originals like red/blue and I think they even overtook the newest release at some point, showing that people are starved for actually good Pokémon games. That is a strong instance of people saying they want more from Pokémon type games and voting with their wallet, at minimum its great for Palworld, but I am really hoping Pokemon decides to put in extra effort and make drastic improvements with its next release, I think this is the very best opportunity for your point to be proven that you can get, and I hope that you are 100% correct because I would love to see Pokemon realize how people feel and make a full recovery.
Main point about Denuvo.
It’s only there because people were pirating like crazy.
If all people were nice, no publisher/developer would need to use Denuvo.
Do you feel the same about film/tv? I pay for cable, netflix, disney, apple, prime, and probably a couple more. The number of titles available to me is forever shrinking, and the prices only go up. I pirate unavailable titles with zero remorse. I don't pirate games, though, steam sales have left me with about a hundred titles I'll never get to.
Anyone who says it's ok is clearly wrong and talking shite, it's someone's IP and they should be rewarded for it, its a moral choice, you either care or you don't but you KNOW it's not right - however, I have always used roms for older games that aren't available anymore but I also used to hack all my old systems, PS1/2, PSP, all the Nintendo handhelds, Xbox 360 and download the roms, burn them and play them and even tho I knew it was wrong I really didn't care, but now I'm older and can afford whatever I want (gaming wise) I own what I play on the newer systems.
it’s good there is someone brave enough to talk about this. so many people use “piracy is good “ as an excuse to make them feel better. great video!
Preciate you JD from Scrubs
15:47 its the only kind of piracy i partake in.
Current or last gen i legit buy my games, but the old stuff like 8bit-32bit and arcade era... 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Good video, valid points 👍
Yeah, emulation and game preservation is certainly important, not to mention completely legal. It’s how I play most of my games.
I love this channel!
I love u my man
if that 10% of pirates bought the game, yeah well not all pirates gonna magically change their minds and buy a game when they're not being cracked. just look at the sales of recent games that are not being cracked yet. they may have good sales but not as big as you would think if ppl couldn't pirate it. PS pirating nowadays takes place on consoles more than PC.
Sure but that’s why if even 1% changed their mind it would be an insane amount of revenue. Not all of them need to change their mind for there to be a difference.
I don’t know if that last part is true, I’d have to fact check you tbh.
@@thatguybis1997 i would say in 90% of the cases, once a pirate, always a pirate. bc imo no one's gonna give devs the one month worth of their savings! maybe it's just me but the idea of first world countries pirating a game is bizarre to me. unless they want to try the game to see if they'll like it which also fine from how i see it.
about console pirates, go fact check it, until then, i bet you 50 bucks that it's true ok? lol.
denuvo is completely useless today bc first, it only "protects" PC ports and second, unless the game is an PC exclusive like warhammer 3 then it's not really doing a whole lot mate. accounts are being hacked and being sold on unofficial sites and being played offline and nobody's got a freaking clue! Lol
Most people who pirate video games do because they can't afford the games, this is why piracy is way more popular outside the US, Gamers can't pay or they don't find it reasonable paying 70$ or 60$ for a game that might not be in a stable state or that will have DLC that will add 10$ or 20$ to the price, Considering most people who play video games are teens with no salary they will pirate the game.
It also could be due to the convenience of it or because they don't want to pay for video games or they don't want to support the companys or because they can't buy them.
I have 3T worth of games if i were to buy all of them I will be a broke bi*ch
Here's the thing though. Do you really need all those games on your drive? I really doubt you actually play most of them, maybe one or two at the most. Why not just spend the $70 or $60 on those two games you actually play and enjoy?
@@thatguybis1997 If I'm honest it's because I don't want to pay, I know I am not entitled to the developers hard work, I know piracy is not Justified, I you know its thievery, I just don't really care.
And I switch between three games a week, randomly I should add.
The points in your video are spot on though.
u are disconnected from reality. u think every one can offerd to buy 70 broken games and what is funny its usally is not full game for that u need to drope onther 20 or 30 ,
I’m not sure which of us is disconnected, you or me.
@@thatguybis1997 you
@@thatguybis1997 yeah its you bro
@@thatguybis1997 u need to get out of your little bubble bruh.
I already disagreed with most of your points since you weren't really bringing anything new to the discussion, but the pro capitalism rant halfway through really stole the show with how badly thought out it was. "Without capitalism, thing people liked wouldn't exist" arguement doesn't hold much weight when you can literally substitute capitalism with any major horrible thing in history, because even the most seemingly unrelated thing can impact how decisions are made.
Also you say people switching their accounts' countries is "gaming the system" as if it's not just the digital equivalent of importing a physical game for a cheaper price.
I agree with you that piracy isn't a black and white issue, but I'm not even sure if you agree with that. You're arguements are mostly anti piracy, except for a few examples that you try to downplay the benefits of anyway.
I’m not sure there’s much point in responding to this when you’re not going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours but I’ll bite anyway.
1) “you can literally substitute capitalism with any major horrible thing in history”
Okaaaay. This is just a weird point. YOU clearly don’t like capitalism. That’s fine, but that doesn’t make my argument any less valid. That was such a small part of my video too, so I don’t know why you got so hung up on it.
2) That’s 100% not the digital equivalent of “importing a cheaper copy”. That’s gaming the system. Steam had its prices set in a way that was fair to people that lived in those respective countries. Circumventing that just to get a cheaper price, while I can’t blame them, definitely ruined a good thing for everyone. Id agree with you if you didn’t have to change your VPN just so you were able to accomplish the “import”, as it clearly wasn’t an intentional feature of steam.
Piracy isn’t black and white. Yes, overall, I like to take a harder stance on it because I feel like so many people do it and somehow do mental gymnastics to justify it in their heads.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to watch and leave a comment, I appreciate it.
Preserving games tho. 🤷♂️ not to mention plenty of games you can’t play and what kid is going to pay 200 dollars out of pocket to play a game that they really want to play. ESP someone who isn’t well off
I understand if you want game companies to make more games by buying it from the source.
But why are we here playing police force to try to convince people to not pirate? Why are we defending companies? Who cares if they don’t make more money what are we shareholders???
The point I’m trying to make here is that you can’t have it both ways. By supporting the shareholders, you’re also supporting the little guys. How do you think the little guys at these big corporations make money?
@@thatguybis1997 it seems like to me that big corporations are the issue and it’s not the developers at all. If our whole system was not profit based we could have amazing games. So much so people would pay for them. Because they won’t be doing battle passes or locking content behind a paywall. Or any other scummy ways to milk money out of a game or game series. I know how the little guy makes money. He deserves every dollar and more.
Didn't watch it. Was too busy seeding my torrents 😎
Lol this was funny ngl. You’re free to do whatever you want, these are just my thoughts on the subject.
Fun fact! The ad you show on the start pirated it's music.
4:38 Not much of an argument. Sony delivered their Music CD's with Rootkits back in the day. So you never know...
22:05 Piracy of new games when you don't like spending the money is not OK but when you don't like to pay high prices for used games, piracy is OK? You're contradicting yourself.
There’s a difference between buying games at triple the retail price who’s money isn’t even going to the devs,
And pirating modern games that are priced at retail who’s money would be in support of the devs. Piracy isn’t black and white. If I weren’t able to come at it from both angles, this would have been a terrible video.
@@thatguybis1997 Well... that's how capitalism works. The more scarce a product is the higher the price. You also won't steal an expensive vintage car because the factory workers won't get something out of it. They got paid for it. Someone kept and maintained it for a very long time. Why doesn't that someone earn a compensation for it?
Hello The Guy Bis. My name is Isaiah and I have something important to say to you. God loves you and like any father he wants to help you and keep you safe especially from the devil. But I am not just speaking to you about this I am also talking to your fans about this. You see the news do you not? You see how the wourld is getting dark do you not? I tell you. There is hope for as the wourld gets darker. The Lord bringd his light to all his children. But it is up to all of thee if you want the light at the end of this soon to be dark tunnel. But the choice is ultimately yours have a nice day Shalom Shalom.
So i guess when Nintendo comes out with the next Zelda game and it needs to connect to [lay online, guess I'll have to miss out on that and vote with my wallet😅
I agree. Any kind of Piracy is bad. Why do I have to explain this? lol.
I agree that even though all Piracy is bad, it is very sad that it's so popular right now, and not just from bad people but from people who are just very frustrated with the state of the entertainment industries, including video gaming.
I understand the frustration and where it's coming from. I felt compelled to make a video when I saw Lextorias' video though. It's an interesting topic to debate, at the very least.
"it is very sad that it's so popular right now"
Is it though? Back in the 80's literally everyone had a X-copied copy of X-copy, everyone.
Wouldn't surprise me to learn that piracy is actually going down, in terms of percentages.
@@SLRModShop I didn't know
Piracy is a net positive. You've overblown the negative effects, and totally ignored all the positives. This is just spreading ignorance.
How? Piracy has its benefits, there’s a section in the video dedicated to that.
I’ve “overblown” the negative effects? It just sounds like you’d rather not hear about them to me.
I’m tired of people who are like “just pirate the game 🤓”
The glasses emoji ties this together perfectly.
I only pirate aaa games that i dont like the company and always buy indie games
Nintendo didn’t win their lawsuit, Yuzu settled, you should learn the difference.
Nintendo ordered them to pay $2.4 million dollars and also got everything they wanted out of the lawsuit. I’m pretty sure this is why I say “essentially” won.
As much as i think yuzu shouldn't have been treated the way they were by nintendo, there's a reason why yuzu settled, if this was dolphin or even their competitor ryujinx nintendo would have had a much harder case, whether intentionally or not stoking the fire, yuzu was intentionally spinning up versions of yuzu to play games before they even released while also distributing bios files (or whatever it was called) both of which are not legally grey unlike general emulation(i also heard that yuzu's discord had links to switch games too but cannot confirm that), basically there's a very good reason why nintendo sued yuzu and not ryujinx, because as far as i can tell, ryujinx has not done anything nintendo could win a case on, yuzu did.
Just an fyi i'm on the at least partly pro-piracy side of this argument and disagree with the video, but yuzu did essentially paint a bulls-eye on their backs legally.
People typically settle lawsuits to avoid further loss, you know, from eventually losing in court. You should learn due process.
0:49 - 0:53 "I'm somewhat of a dumbass" well said. basically sums up the video
That’s a low blow buddy. Lloyd Irving would be ashamed! Lol.
Unsubbed. Shilling for Game corporations in 2024 is odd.
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, and have never done it, but most game companies are unhinged these days and abusing their fan base non-stop.
Sticking up for them at this time shows who you are being paid by.
I haven’t received a dime from any big corp. Not a single sponsorship on this channel, nothing. And I’m the shill?
I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. Bad business practices don’t justify piracy. Vote with your wallet. If anything, piracy just gives these companies reason to fire back with DRM and to play the blame game.
Weak arguments and you've missed the point. I think everyone understand what is meant when someone says that "piracy" can be justified in some cases. Voting with the wallet doesn't work when other people en masse buy any trash micro transactions because they don't know better. Nintendo doesn't care about your enjoyment of their games or its cultural importance, they care about profit and their bottom line. Very naive.
Nintendo clearly DOES care about your enjoyment of their games AND its cultural importance. They wouldn't be so successful if they didn't. You're playing their games and enjoying them, aren't you?
Just because there are parts of Nintendo that are bad, doesn't mean you get to write them off as a whole and pirate their stuff. The devs that make these games clearly put their passion and love into them, and they're a part of Nintendo just as much as the people in suits are that are probably more of the issue.
@@thatguybis1997 what is this, "bad apples" argument for corporations? People in the suits rule over the money, so you're better off directly supporting the developers if you care so much.
How do you go about "directly supporting the devs" then outside of purchasing their game? I'm not talking just for indie games. Nintendo, Ubisoft, big companies included. If there's a way to do that, I'd love to know.
@@thatguybis1997 some might have patreon but they are paid anyways. Idek what you're arguing for anymore, you seem to lose the thread. Don't worry about "poor devs being paid low" because a person who can't afford an overpriced game that might be a piece of crap anyways didn't buy its deluxe edition. You presented no good arguments why "piracy" is "bad" and I don't think you ever will. And I should prob stop commenting, your vid got recommended and I've found your takes naive so tata.
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Me too. 😂
This guy is in the pocket of these corporations 💯.
I have not made a singular penny from sponsorships. These are just my thoughts on the matter.
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