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- Part 1 of my analysis of AMD's 2016 CPU architecture, "Zen"
Includes a look at what went wrong with the current generation "Bulldozer" architecture.
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1 and half year ago you predicted it. Still this is one of my favorite video .
wow, it's extremely odd to see a youtuber like you in here.
"16 core for at least a couple of thousend dollers" man i am happy you were so wrong! ryzen threadripper is glorious!
You know I haven't even had the opportunity to use mine since the review, that's how much work I have had.
AdoredTV AMD truely struck gold with Zen, I have really high hopes for Ryzen 2.
5 years later watching this video. Seeing the tables being turned and witnessing it over the years was incredible. Well done AMD
Watching this in September 2017 and I'm really happy for AMD, seeing what they actually achieved !
Really happy for AMD. Their GPU and CPU market seem like they are both about to make major breakthroughs
+Pan Z 14nm baby
Chris Taylor
AMD. That one company that doesn't give the middle finger to consumers. I wouldn't call them the good guys, rather, just not the bad guys.
Btw, new thing from Intel. Z-170 boards have had BIOS updates (from the motherboard manufactures) so you can overclock and Intel Skylake chip. No need to shell out an extra $30 just for a "k" on the end of your CPU. But guess whose making a patch to fix that?
Intel isn't consumer friendly either.
+Pan Z the micro update is already out,and you can't easily avoid it either.
Darren Kehrli How so?
+Pan Z they already blocked this.
For the first time in a decade, I am curious about an AMD CPU. This is a good day. Great video!
+Mumbolian Cheers!
AdoredTV It's nice to find a source of information that I actually believe. Desperate to know more about things like pascal, but everyone is touting something someone else said as fact.
Will be keeping an eye on your channel in future for tech news.
+Mumbolian I'll be taking a closer look at Pascal as the information presents itself. Nvidia is being pretty quiet about it so far but there are a few clues appearing.
AdoredTV Sounds good to me. I've been sitting on a 570GTX for years because I want to play Star Citizen at 1440p and don't have faith that investing in current tech is going to do me any good when it comes out. And I don't really have the money to upgrade my GPU now and then again in 2 years.
+Mumbolian Same man, i've still got a 4590 and have been debating upgrading to skylake, if zen is as expected then i'll definitely be looking into AMD for once.
Watching this after having seen Ryzen succeed. I can't help but be super happy.
I'm definitely waiting for Zen. Intel is way too expensive and their dodgy practices should make people sit up and take notice. Boycott Intel.
2 Years later: Waiting for the Ryzen 3000 Series so i can upgrade from G4560 to Ryzen 3600X
Rewatching your old videos about AMD after Zen2 and Navi came out.
This was unthinkable of only a few years ago.
Time flies. ;)
I agree completely. I made a video on my channel that theoretically compares AMD Zen to current Intel architecture and it matches with what you're saying. I believe Zen will succeed despite Bulldozer. The company seems to be out for blood right now and they're making all the right moves to secure a better market position. Plus we have DX12. If they just price their products competitively, they won't have any issues staying in the game - even if they're a tad slower. Keep up the good work man!
+OzTalksHW Cool, I'll check it out.
Why even mention dx12? Vulcan is 10x better
+Derps the only functional difference between the two is one is microsoft exclusive and the other is broadly compatible with other platforms, you are exaggerating to an extreme degree. vulkan just released its sepcification only recently anyways if someone wasnt scanning the latests tech newd they wouldnt even know its been released.
gameguy301 Good point, though 10x better is exadgerating, it is better in every way. So in a way, it is true.
Amusing in retrospect how you hadn't considered that maybe they'd put *four* cores in one package, but you were dead-on for everything else!
This aged so well! This was part of my research in buying 15000 shares. I’m happy ver happy
If you had bought $1000 of AMD stock when this video was released (~$2), today (4/9/20) it would be worth $24,190
If Zen is badass, Intel will have to lower their prices, so ultimately, the consumer wins!
It's 2019 and they now have an i9 mainstream that costs $500 and HEDT flagship that costs $2000
- Intel gonna Intel
@@RyTrapp0 hey at least 12 core 4.8 GHz is all but confirmed for zen 2
We have come a long way jim . Thanks
This video has aged like a fine wine.
@AdoredTV you are on fire. I'm hooked on all the videos you bring out, and the narrating is just amazing with your accent. Amazing stuff. THANK YOU!
+perrrry Cheers bud, so much effort in these but over time I hope to get more done more regularly.
For sure a huge amount of work put into these, but it will pay off!
+AdoredTV Supported you on patroen.
+perrrry Wow, cheers bud!
+guyparrismin2588 chill the fuck out ya fucking rocket. most pc enthusiasts are excited about zen.
Intel need a kick up the arse. their processors are starting to bottleneck and slow gpu technology down because they have too much market share.
It's funny cause Intel did just sit there and take the beat down. Nvidia on the other hand....
Just watched this again. You were proved so right here!!
Yeah not bad for a year ago, cheers. ;)
I have always been impressed with AMD, yes I started off with Intel, but as time went on, I learned how to build my own computers and started to use AMD processors because they cost less money and worked well. Over the years I have mainly used AMD, but I have also used Intel in between. Honestly, within the last 10 years I never saw much of a difference in performance between the two companies, especially with both companies flagship products. In 2012, I stopped using Intel and went back to AMD's FX processors and have been using them since. I saved a lot of money going with AMD and never had any issues with performance. AMD Radeon video cards are also excellent. I am hoping that AMD Zen will be a huge upgrade for the PC world, it's about time we move forward.
Same here, I primarily use AMD in my systems. I sometimes use Intel for maybe a workstation but it is not often. the price difference is too great, I only use Intel on request. I hope AMD does right by consumers with Zen. I am afraid that Intel will start bribing companies again though if Zen turns out as good as it sounds...
Great video, keep it up!
+John Locke (4TheRace) Cheers!
Today, with Zen AMD commanding 80% market share, entire Intel HEDT SKUs obliterated by mainstream AMD CPU. All 10 best selling CPU are all AMD in most market, people even willing to lining to wait $750 AMD CPU even $1000 AMD CPU become a recomendation, and $4000 single socket AMD CPU beats $20,000 dual socket Intel CPU by almost 40%, crazy crazy time...
You must've mean't 80% sales. AMD is nowhere near that market share
Also, I wanted to comment that I cannot agree more with ypur thoughts about Zen. Oh and that I really enjoy listening to you (I also find your accent very pleasing, even though my first languaje is Spanish).
+Lucas Da Ronco Cheers!
"Intel are known to be a real power house when it comes to manufacturing"
This statement hasn't aged very well xD
favorite part of the video: "If anyone can mess this up, it's AMD." Cross your fingers that this isn't another failure, I'm pulling for AMD this year.
Ryan Lamb this guy was damn right coz in 2018 they are kicking Intel's butt
this is why i refuse to buy or actually recommend an Intel CPU unless its absolutely necessary (ex; heavily CPU-sensitive work)
these fucking greedy cheaters dont deserve my money
You were right on 98% of your assessment of Zen back than
This was super in depth and helpful, thank you and have a wonderful day!
Cheers! You too.
Jim, you should do a short follow up to this specific video ;-)
So you were right :D
@@achraf517 Indeed zen 3 will take the gaming crown.
Nice video, but dat accent though.
Yeah, it's a great accent.
+robby12320 its cute accent!
+Kvarnholmen Try watching Limmy's Show. It's also Scottish.
+Kvarnholmen Drink a couple beers, you'd understand him better.
+robby12320 Nothing wrong with his accent.
I agree Zen is likely operate at lower frequencies then Intel cores, but not because of the inferior Samsung/GP 14 nm silicone node, but because of deliberate design choices by AMD. On their last iteration on bulldozer architecture (excavator) they introduced something they call "high density libraries". Main advantage of those is significant reduction of die space, or increase in transistor density without needing to move to a new node. This is why Carrizo is still on 28 nm and still manages to achieve respectable transistor density of ~13M per mm²).
This technology also increases power efficiency at low frequencies. However it's major drawback is it actually reduces efficiency at higher frequencies and makes it hard to achieve stable high clock rates.
My belief is AMD will continue to use "high density libraries" in Zen cores because that allows them higher transistor densities then normally possible, and significantly improves energy efficiency for those cores when they are used at about 2 GHz (typical for server and thin client platforms) but might not be able to reach frequencies as high as +4 GHz typical for enthusiast desktops.
This could be key theology that allows AMD to compete, or even beat, Intel in power efficiency and price in server market, but might be a problem when it comes to competing for high end desktop market.
AMD is winning to some extent with APUs - decent CPU performance with better integrated GPU performance than Intel. AMD is also winning with a percentage of price-sensitive customers with cheap FM2+ builds with 880K, for example. To win, they need to win on price. If you can buy a Zen CPU that is equivalent in games to an i5 for less money they have a chance. If they have a high end CPU with 16 cores that is more like a Xeon than i7 then that could win over power users too. AMD also needs to have vendors offering competitive AM4 motherboards with all the bells and whistles of the current crop of Z170 boards - .e.g. M.2, CrossFire/SLI, lots of USB 3. If you can get a Zen CPU and AM4 motherboard for a good chunk less than Intel + Z170, they can win back some market share.
These are amazing videos. You go extremely in depth with each topic and have very little bias, keep up the great work! ;-)
+Doge Charger (Alan Szuszkiewicz) Cheers!
I've been holding out for Zen... it had better be good otherwise I have been holding onto my Phenom II X4 for all this time in vain XD
+Marcus Antonius same here :) combined with my 5870.
Both have to go.^^ but they sure as hell did a fine job till this day :)
+Marcus Antonius phenom ii x4 is quite a good cpu even for the age
+Marcus Antonius I'm also still on a Phenom II X4 - specifically a 955 Black Edition, mildly overclocked to 3.6GHz. It still works fairly well, although better IPC is certainly something I'm hoping for in Zen in order for me to upgrade to it...
Why in vain? I'm also on Phenom II and I feel no issues that would be holding it back still. It only makes a difference if you really want to go with high-end gaming or something very CPU heavy.
+zolikoff Or want better single-threaded performance. For some tasks, this can be more important than multi-threaded performance, and even when multi-threaded tasks are being run, a better IPC will still give a huge benefit. I'm still happy with my Phenom II X4 955, but there are some things it's sadly not up to - emulation of some other systems, it's not fantastic for transcoding on the fly in Plex media server, and there are other things where the CPU is currently the bottleneck in my system.
It's now October 2018. Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Here's hoping Zen 2 keeps it going!
I've never bought an AMD chip, but I'm really rooting for them. Intel has become too dominate in the market and has genuinely upset me by who they support and their dirty dealings over the years. The best thing that could happen to the CPU market is for AMD to dominate Intel this upcoming round and force Intel to start caring again.
+Naomi Washinton Capitalism leads to that, corrupt in nature and intentions as they suddenly don't feel threatened by the market anymore.
Entertains me how quick AMD flogged expectations.
With just zen 1 they brought what Intel would only consider giving to servers to the desktop. They brought the price of quad cores down, killed dual cores (bar extremely light work) and made 6 cores a standard. All the while still being in the same ball park performance/power wise.
Here's hoping zen 2 fixes the performance gap.
Love your accent, love your content. Hope you continue to do videos like this :)
+sMooVe Cheers!
how times have changed
As long as AMD does well in benchmarks, it's going to be good ... f*ck Bulldozer and Excavator.
+ShiroiKage009 Excavator's been doing fine in benchmarks, considering that it's literally two manufacturing generations behind, and is a lower IPC design. The problem is that OEM's are putting them in shittily made laptops, and trying to cram them in chassis that were designed for Intel's chips without accounting for Carrizo's differences.
shdowhunt60 Not really. Excavator still suffers from terrible TDPs/power-per-performance (bad for laptops) and, compared to Intel, has really bad IPC making them a worse choice than i5s for just about anything. Excavator is only an incremental improvement over Bulldozer.
+ShiroiKage009 At least an unlocked FX processor is cheap as shit compared to say an i5 4690k
Spooky Skeleton Not really, not for the performance you get out of it. A 4690k will best almost anything AMD has in its price range on all the benchmarks and do it with less power draw.
ShiroiKage009 I didn't even know there was an FX processor in the 4690k's price range. The most expensive I've seen is £110 while the 4690k is like £170-180
im really hoping for AMD to do well this time around, coming from a guy with an intel/Nvidia build.
competition means progress also i would like to build a full AMD build
+hayharut Yeah, let's give some support to AMD to make them happy lol
SCOTSMAAAAAAN!
+audiogarden21 Sup lol!
AdoredTV =D On your way to ten thousand, hoss!
+audiogarden21 Yeah it's really picked up with these tech vids, I kinda knew it would - they are just so much work though lol, gimme some gaming any day :P Fun when they're finished though and a nice sense of satisfaction and excitement thinking about the next one.
AdoredTV It also gives you an excuse to stay informed. Next time you're at the pub and some sexy ladies are chattin' it up about the CPU/GPU market you'll be able to dazzle them with your Scotsledge.
+audiogarden21 Very true, and I'm already getting offers!
Really good analysis, and I hope the best for AMD and your channel
Cheers!
pretty ballsy review at the time, crystal ballsy!
Absolutely brilliant analysis! Two thumbs way up! I love the way your argument didn't hinge on a single factor, but rather you gave detailed thought to several market indicators, very informative.
+Bu Jin Cheers!
This is top notch stuff mate, thank you!
Cheers.
Jim Keller.
AMD K8, Athlon 64, Athlon K7, Apple A4/A5, Hyper Transport, AMD K12 and ZEN.
Thanks to his experience and design Genius, ZEN should rock any and all CPU's on the Planet.
I had to kick my 8350 up to 4.8ghz with water-cooling just to alleviate some bottle necking with the Fury I recently acquired. He's such a little trooper, still going strong with thermal throttling disabled. Yeah he still drags his feet and costs me ~10 frames in games, but that's ok, I will run him into the ground before upgrading mobo and cpu next year. He will die a proud, glorious fiery death ya ken? :P
+VarietyGamer Get a i5-6600k temporarily.
Your gonna have to upgrade to a AM4 socket anyways.
My Little trooper, The A6 3650 has been Overclocked to 2.9 GHZ and to 600 MHZ IGPU. So a 0.3 GHZ increase on the CPU and 200 MHZ on the IGPU, The little thing is still holding on to its self without throtthleling and With the crappy AMD Stock cooler. I guess I will also drive it to the ground. He will die happy knowing he beat a i5 4460 in almost any game that was trown at it. (AMD IGPU VS Intel IGPU Aint fair :P, The A6's HD 6530D was winning quite hard) So I salute your 8350 And my A6 3650 in hopes that Zen will Fix it all.
I applaude you for factoring in manufacturing data, I was greatly surprised when you showed the different FF technologies.
It's what I've been thinking for years now! Lose the integrated graphics from the CPU and use it for extra core's, OR...simply make current chips smaller and cheaper.
People who run dedicated graphic cards don't use the integrated graphics and people that do, should be better off with a $€100 cheaper Intel CPU and buying a budget $€30 graphics card.
So, I wholeheartedly support AMD for NOT integrating the graphics into their ZEN chips!
+kcvriess nothing changes, their APUs will still have iGPUs
they simply decided not to put any GPU on their CPUs like Intel has always been doing with their i-core series
+kcvriess It's not about making budget pc gamers happy. It's about making that dolla, son. People using iGPUs give them way more money than PC gamers.
+kcvriess they don't need a integrated graphics on CPU intensive products. They have the APUs for that.
So basically AMD will create 2 types of cpu products: Performance CPUs, and Balanced APUs.
Those simply wanting a simple graphics and computing can get a APU, and with a smaller chip size, the APUs will only get better in general.
While those wishing to build gaming desktops, can go pure cpu and discreet gpu builds, for higher performance and better pricing.
+untseac You won't think so after you see my next Zen video. ;)
It's 2020 and it's definitely not stupid to use an APU. I just built with an APU with Vega gfx ... my reason is due to new Zen3 and Navi2 launch, after Nvidia launched RTX 30x0 with scarcely any real product available to anyone but influencers. It costs a lot more to buy low end CPU/discrete GPU resellable on used market whilst I can upgrade to discrete using the same motherboard. Those cheap gfx cards have been wiped out by Intel bundling gfx, one costs more than the low end Athlon APU.
At the $130 mark you have a capable 1080p APU PC .. but can it run Crysis Remastered?
First video of yours I've seen, instantly subscribed. Great voice and accent and excellent knowledge and explanation for those not incredibly well versed.
+Philip T Cheers!
I was seriously considering jumping the gun and replacing my FX-6300 with an Intel Broadwell or Skylake, but this video has convinced me to wait and see if Zen is any good. I freaking love your videos man!!
just a slight note of caution. the 'greater then 40% IPC uplift is listed under the data center column.
great news for AMD obviously (and their bottom line), but that doesn't automatically mean we'll also get more then 40% on more desktop centered workloads.
the low latency cache system (because its now inclusive, making it MUCH simpler) and doubled FPU bandwidth per core compared to bulldozer should help zen immensely in games.
i also don't completely agree that we can't hold intel partially responsible for AMD's last few designs. with fair access to the market when the k7 and k8 came out we'd be looking at a very different AMD back in ~2006. They could have had the money to have multiple design teams running at the same time for example (like intel had, which saved their bacon when the second team came up with core while the primary team was still focused on netburst (the p4's and pentium D's))
they also might have become big enough to not have had to sell their fab's meaning they could have had a working 22nm level process available to them a few years ago, instead of being stuck on 32/28nm for years, which would have made them MUCH more competitive vs intel, even with a bulldozer like design.
AMD got hit with a stall in process node development right when they needed a upgrade the most, while their competator was the only one in the world to get it to work. combine that with their misjudgement of the evolution of software (betting on much great adoption of multithreading), and it was basically a perfect storm for AMD the last few years.
they can indeed only go up from here.
i hope the intel fanboys can handle this
What I missed on the part of Bulldozer though was, the main reason for the power consumption to be so high was that no Operating System was capable of decently handling the AMD architecture.
Because Bulldozer is inherently different from their old line up and Intels line up, disabling of unused parts of the chip wasn't possible. (Unused shared resources being active while they could've been in sleep mode etc.)
With Zen this will not be possible, and the chip itself regulates more of the power mechanisms. (A thing that made Carrizo so much more efficient over its predecessors)
I am buying Zen, AMD for life!
just built an i5 6600k gaming rig, and I hope amd gets this right, my first build ever was with an athlon 64 X2 4800+, and I loved it, until I built a c2d system, been Intel ever since, and even though my new rig is less than a month old, I desperately want amd to knock it out of the park with zen, the pc industry NEEDS amd back in the cpu game, it'll benefit everyone, even the biggest Intel fan boys in the world will benefit from amd coming up big with zen.
You deserve more Subscribers my friend. :)
+Dimitrije Mirkovic Cheers, it's been improving these past few weeks. ;)
+AdoredTV Well, you just got me onboard.
+Lord Strawberries Cheers!
You do such an excellent job of taking a lot of deep dive technical info, and surfacing just the most important parts for guys like me. Keep it up!
+Randall Drouin Cheers!
Shh my fx-4100 shh your not that bad. You only eat alot.
That's exackly what I'm telling my 6300 XD
Shhh A6 3650....You dont suck....You just eat alot of power....Dont Worry A6 3650 I still love you.... No seriously I do, Core i5 4460 got outpreformed by my power hungry A6. Integrated graphics FTW A6
I appreciate how much research you did to clearly explain the issues with amd. keep up the good work dude!!
+YourBudgetGamer Cheers!
I'm just waiting on Zen APUs with HBM on die
+Street Guru Probably around mid 2017, should be very interesting yeah.
+AdoredTV mid 2017 apu's with hbm ? lmao
+rx10 Why do you think that's funny?
What's actually happened is funnier ... mainstream laptops are mainly still using Intel 14nm despite AMD dominating performance on a mature 7nm node.
I really hope Zen kicks butt. We need competition to improve the whole industry.
How about marketing? A whole lot of noobs never heard of AMD
+Raizo.K They just need a good CPU again. If Zen rocks, plenty of people will know about it same as happened back in 2000 with Athlon.
Interesting to watch older videos to see how much you predicted right and some things you fortunately got wrong
I want a Zen CPU now.
+Kestal it's healthy to want. Zen you can be. I'm already zen about next amd's cpu architecture.
with the new information released today I am very excited to see your next Zen video!!! Was a big day . . . Zen beating broadwell E in blender @3.0ghz . . . was not expecting that . . .
Big surprise to me as well, but let's keep our heads on lol - who knows what AMD's marketing can conjur up next. ;)
over here with my old ass 8350 wanting to get my god damned new cpu cause intel is cancer
+ReVo Shade lmao I also have an phenom 8450 this thing sucks
Put your computer into the kitchen, buy a new mobo that supports the 9590 and use it's heat to heat up water, cook food and warm your house.
+Luka David Torkar For real, I have a 970A mobo and the things heat spreaders are so ass. they actually have a history of catching on fire lmao
I have the same mobo! Do you mean the heatspreaders on the motherboard itselve? I mean the cpu is watercooled anyway but I don't understand how they can catch fire.
I already watched this video earlier today as I subscribe to AdoredTV but I was on Reddit and it was on my front page so I up voted it. It is a great video and typical of this content creator... insightful, intelligent, well thought out with a very good presentation.
+trikki69 Cheers!
I'm currently using an OC'D 8350, even if zen is 50% faster, I have no need to upgrade. My 8350 does everything i need it to do and i still max out games with 0 stutter.
I paid 100$ my 8350,and do not regret it.
+Greg Thomas An 8350 will definitely bottleneck higher tier cards, anything from a 390 up and you will be held back by that cpu.
+MrNappySlapper depends on what monitor he's outputting to as well though really
+sickbailey21 true, I just assumed he was gaming at 1080p
Really in-depth and interesting video, brought up some topics I haven't thought of before. Great video I really enjoyed!
+f1ndme Cheers!
I love your accent. Where you from?
+GamingHardwareChannel Scotland, cheers!
Nice! My sister lives in Scotland.
+GamingHardwareChannel Cool, what city or town?
Aberdeen.
+GamingHardwareChannel Cool, I'm not living in Scotland now, currently in Sweden.
What the Intel "fanboys" don't realise is that this can only be good news for us, the consumers! Manufacturers only improve their products when they need to up their game to compete. If there's no competition, because Bulldozer is crap in this case, Intel don't need to do anything, so we get more of the same. Like you said in the video, this could mean better, cheaper base systems and so on up the price chain. It's the same argument with ATI and Nvidia. I really hope ATI bring out a cracking gfx chip, thus making Nvidia get their finger out! We're going to need much better (and hopefully cheaper) gaming rigs if VR is going to take off. Just wish it were sooner, HTC Vive starts taking pre-orders on Monday, but my rig needs an upgrade. Phenom II x6 @ 3.8 + R9 280X. The VR tests say that won't cut the mustard! 8(
I can get over the accent until he keeps saying "Chap" for chip...
+mrlithium69 and those "sex nanomatters" lol
I learn so much watching these. The information is amazing.
+Tone Tech and Gaming Cheers!
And 3 years later zen is kicking intel ARSSSS 😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOVE your videos, just watched the Polaris vs Pascal Part 1 and now this. Keep up the amazing work :D
+Prasan Nundlal Cheers!
I'm still using Athlon 64 X2..
+Matlov LOL so is nick from Linus media group...
+Robert Velikov lol. you saw the disassembly also. I am also rocking an x2 5400+
Joe Smith lol yea, I'm surprised that that cpu is still holding it's own. I guess it shows how bad the bulldozer was xD
Thanks for the rundown of the Ship, Scotty!
But doesn't amd have xbox and ps4 ? does the market share chart use this information ?
+MegaT3rr0R They make no money with the consoles.
But the chart probably ignores them, since it looks at the computer market.
Also wouldn't that mean that ported games would be better optimised on the new amd cpus?
+MegaT3rr0R You underestimate the power of the Jews, but yes in theory they would.
+MegaT3rr0R The console market is still pretty small compared to the overall PC market, something like 1/10th the size I think.
+MegaT3rr0R Assuming that the next gen consoles will be Zen based (they will be) then there may be some benefits in the future, though generally speaking x86 CPUs are very similar and any benefit is likely to be seen more on the graphics side.
Wow, this was very smooth and informative. I felt like I learned tons and you almost made me get a decent grasp on all this technical stuff. Sub'd.
+ThursdayMonkey475 Cheers!
Start of May 2018. This is why I adore your TV. It's excellent.
Crazy looking back now, Zen3 aside its wild how much Zen shook everything up. i mean look at intel's SKU's from initial 8th gen Coffee Lake through 9th gen coffee lake to Comet Lake.
as well as the big focus on efficiency we are seeing now among enthusiasts.
Fantastic video ! I do hope you mention AMD's use of HSA compute, That is where they will take off
Nice vid. Slight correction: there won't be APUs (CPUs with integrated graphics) _initially_. But they'll come around with updated graphics in due time. Would certainly be nice for notebooks.
And kind of a wish: if I could get 8-core Zen with Ivy Bridge single-thread performance under 45W in my socket - I'd feel set.
+Taugeshtu Yes the Zen APU's are coming in 2017, probably around mid.
Really well made video! Got me hyped for the next round of chips.
From what I have gathered, the high end server grade Zen CPU has 4x 4 core dies with hyper-threading (16 cores 32 threads) and 16GB of HBM2 on board. Each single Zen die has 2 channels of DDR4, its own cache and has hyper threading for a minimum of 3 cache levels.
So basically 4 of these:
4x Core with hyper threading for 8 threads.
2MB L2 Cache for 512KB L2 Cache per core.
8MB L3 Cache.
1x 4GB HBM2 memory channel.
2x DDR4 memory channels.
So the super high end is 4 NUMA cores, each with 4 CPU cores/8 threads, HBM2 memory channel and 2 DDR4 channels. If that is true then some desktop systems may end up with a single stack of HBM2 (up to 4GB) that can be used as either system RAM or an L4 cache. All speculation, though...
never had a decent pc until recently and it came with the fx-4100 bulldozer, compared to the old pc this chip was soo refreshing and fast as hell I fell in love with it. never needed an upgrade makes me wonder how much faster an intel chip would be. very informative video I learned a lot about cpu's
+adoredtv I just love how accurate you always are. Good damn love your videos...keep up the quality. I don't mind the wait.
Again, incredibly informative, clean and straight up facts. Not opinions or being biased.
Love your stuff dude, seriously awesome.
+Levon iTz (Night) Cheers!
My last Intel CPU I bought before my Skylake i7-6700k was a Pentium 233 MMX. Since then, I had all AMD. K6-2 400, K6-2 450, K6-3 550, Athlon 800 (OC'd to 900MHz), Athlon T-Bird 1.4GHz, Athlon XP-M 2500+ 1.8GHz(OC'd to 2.5GHz), Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz (OC'd to 2.5GHz), Athlon 64 X2 ?GHz (OC'd to 3.0GHz), Phenom II X4 965BE 3.4GHz (OC'd to 3.8GHz), Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3GHz(3.7GHzTurbo) (OC'd to 3.8GHz on all cores turbo-off). My last CPU I was really happy with compared to everything at the time was my Athlon XP-M 2500+ getting the overclock to 2.5GHz. If you went by the GHz/model number ratio that AMD was using, that puts it at a hypothetical Athlon XP 3200+ or the equivatent of a P4 @ 3.2 GHz. After that, it just went down hill. The reason why I kept going with AMD was the 939 socket. I could upgrade just the CPU or just the mobo (think playing leapfrog). My last upgrade stage was the Phenom II X4 965 on a ASUS Crosshair III mobo. Then I upgraded the mobo to a Crosshair IV, keeping the same CPU and then upgraded the CPU to the Phenom II X6 1100T. The Athlons were a similar situation.
I thought about waiting for Zen but AMD has just disappointed me too many times. I've always wanted to play the latest games but my AMD just kept coming up short. I'm sure Intel will be ready when Zen is released. I might be able to upgrade my 6700k but keep the MOBO. I might be able to leapfrog after that.
On the video side, I have bought AMD exclusively and have always been happy with that. My current R9 390 is on par with the GTX 970, and in many cases better. Once games start taking advantage of 8GB of V-RAM, I'll be GTG.
Good balanced vid. I never understand people who hate either AMD or Intel, competition is only a good thing for the customer who gets a good value CPU. I went from a Q6600 to an 8 core AMD 3850 clocked at 4.7GHz and am happy with it.
One thing I love about AMD is they don't change their CPU sockets every fortnight like Intel, boards tend to be cheaper and chips cheaper. I wanted to put together a cheap AMD micro ATX system and bought a quad core AMD 4300 with a clock speed of 3.8GHz, I overclocked this with great temps to 4.5GHz and it runs all games I have thrown at it just fine, Intel didn't have anything in that price/ cores range when I looked.
Back in the day running 3D Mark 2001 I wanted the absolute best but now I am a little older (perhaps wiser) If an Intel chip can run a game at 130FPS and the AMD chip can 'only' run it at 110fps for much cheaper then I am going to go AMD.
+ThePlethora1980 It's all about the competition for me. Intel's monopoly is just harming the industry and tbh I think it's harming them as well looking at the decline of the PC market. Cheers.
thank you for decrypting all the future gaming hardware information for us, as always very informative videos.
I do have a question for you.
Have you heard of 3D XPoint(compatible with latest intel cpu only) that is supposedly coming on Optane SSD later this year, and eventually for new desktop ram memory. Would you think this would benefit game loading time as SSD did moving from HD? Or is this only for big server datacenter use, and us Desktop hardware consumers will not be able to afford it.
Just to give you a brief background on my end. I have build this Desktop computer about 7 years ago i7 920 2.66G CPU, GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P, 18gb DDR3, Samsung SSD 840 Pro with Nvidia 670 OC
I do plan to build a new computer from scratch for when Star Citizen will be released(beginning of 2017 or so)
Who ever gets top benchmark for this game i will buy their hardware from, i sure do hope so that AMD will be the winner. Before my 670 i did have AMD card, and id love to go back to AMD and give them my support so we have a healthy competition.
Im sorry for the huge wall of text.
Thank you in advance AdoredTV
Merlin007
+Merlin007 Yep I've heard about 3D Xpoint but I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to it yet. If they can charge big money for it they will though, you can be sure of that. ;) For me though this will be a few years out before it's really seen in PC's. Cheers.
+AdoredTV thanks for a prompt reply :)
regarding AMD GPU we know they are always pushed to add latest DP and HDMI support tech. If AMD Vega gpu with HBM2 does come out around Christmas time or a bit later, do you think Display Port 1.4 will be on their Vega chip or DP 1.4 is something few years out, since it was just announced few months back. The reason i was thinking about this is playing Star Citizen on a TV 5K@60Hz HDR or 4k with 120Hz HDR but if not than i will settle with DP 1.3 which is coming for sure with Polaris.
Cheers Mate :)
+Merlin007 Hm interesting - tbh I'm really not sure as I don't pay a huge amount of attention to output formats. All I know is that AMD is committed to displayport and if they had the ability while designing Vega they would add it. Given it was only just done last month I doubt it though.
+AdoredTV much obliged for your straightforward answers. Looking forward to more of your videos :)
Cheers !!!
well they already have 16 core processors with 8 blocks at 2.8/3.5Ghz(turbo), in the opteron 6383 SE, so i wouldnt call it a stretch to say that they will have 32 full cores, or shared across 16 blocks, seeing as a 16 core shared across 8 blocks was released in 2012 on the old manufacturing node
Great video. Very informative and enjoyable at the same time
I'm in the same situation as you. 2500k with no desire to upgrade unless I can get a 6 core Zen for a decent price.
Great video btw!
Ничего нового, но собрал в кучку факты и новости за несколько лет - за это спасибо. Отдельное спасибо, что без ереси и фанбойства. Все мы ждём свежий глоток воздуха как в новых видеокартах, так и, конечно же, в процессорах AMD. Уверен, они научились на горьком опыте и теперь, уже в этом году мы получим достойные процессоры по конкурентным ценам без заблокированных множителей и с высокой удельной производительностью на ядро. Спасибо!
this is how good a prediction can get.. and mate you were spot on.. sound analysis with substance.. thanks :)
AMD always bring something new both in cpu and gpu products, for example: first cpu to hit 1ghz, the first cpu 64 bit, the first dualcore cpu, the first dual gpu, the first HBM gpu, the first 14nn GPU (polaris)...now ZEN can be surprising as well.