the five degrees back bevel rule of 1672...gets ya every time. I've had that 18v only 42mm 45 degree cut headache a few times. Real ballbag to have to finish off with a bandsaw and often you need a chisel as well.
Just ordered the last black version of the 165mm from your link below, thanks for putting those in. Was choosing between this and the Hikoki 165mm 36V, this one was the winner after watching your video and one other. Great videos, awesome dialogue and hand gestures, keep up the hard work editing.
I’m having a hard time seeing myself departing from my DHS680. What a great saw!! LOVE IT!!! and the blade is on the left side, very very handy!! When Makita 40v comes out with a left sided 165mm blade, I would consider it. Until then I will continue watching your really great reviews of Makita power tools. 👌👌👌👌👌
@@robertrada4783 I understand your frustration!! I was like that but i have calmed down quiet a bit! Tools are becoming more and more pricy!! Hopefully within the next 12 months they will come out with a blade left (other than their worm style saws) 6 1/2 circ. saw and maybe with a handle. Oufff! Probably asking for too much from Makita.
Haha your like the only other person that understands the left handed bladed. I hate looking over the saw to see what's going on..I'm right handed. So looking straight at the blade makes such sense. I have 36v as well but blade is on the right arghhh
@@phillipfletcher5967 Here in the states, I reckon most builders prefer blade left as about half of them (framers specifically) have exclusively used a worm drive their entire career. Every-time a normal blade right sidewinder or beam saw makes an appearance here, everyone comes out of the woodwork to bitch about it being on the “wrong side”. The DHS680 (despite being made in the UK for certain markets) was definitely an appeal to North America. I’m going to have to imagine if they do a 165mm, it will be blade left and it will have a handle. All of their saws have handles outside of Japan (afaik). Although, the handle is on the motor, so what use is it anyway? 😅 I’m pretty unique in this country for preferring the blade right arrangement. Just like the blade left fans, it’s simply because it’s what I’m used to.
i need them to make a 6 1/2" xgt ,left blade,track compatible base saw with removable base to flush cut to bottom plates.....asking for too much?!?!?!?!? LOL but if they made this saw on the left id purchase as well....cheers from canada
Thanks for having the only English reviews of these amazing saws on TH-cam! I am trying to decide between 125/165mm and 18/40V. Looking to precision cut 7-12mm Ply/MDF/acrylic. Is 125mm preferably for thinner materials? TIA
So frustrating that most of the new 40v saws don't have the base plate setup for use with the guide rails or at least an option for the gudie rail adapter, HS003G, base plate not compatible and can't be used with the rail adapter!!!!
This looks like it could be the one of the most well rounded skillys on the market, not too heavy, good depth of cut, good power. What more could you want? Other than a handle... I wonder if they removed it to improve visibility to the left side of the blade? (for right handed people) great video 👍
Some markets they have a handle others they do not. Look up the American “sub compact” 6-1/2” saw. The housing is a Japanese 5” saw but they modified the mold to take the separate handle piece.
@@robertrada6040 Strike that, I just looked at the sub compact saw and it’s pretty much it’s own thing other than the battery placement being similar. Nonetheless, all of the saws outside of Asia have handles and most of them don’t in Asia.
Good morning bro. Thanks for all the spec's & demo. Are you going to put it up agents the Hikoki. I can't remember if you did a review on the Hikoki. I'll have to look it up. Hope you & the Mrs all safe & sound in this level 4 lockdown. Stay Owesome cuz. 🙏🏾☝🏾💚"s🤙🏾🐢🔔🔔🔔
The left hand blade HS012GZ doesn’t seem to have the same features as this one. Two years later, which would you go with? I’m so used to a smaller left hand blade but I really like this one.
I know this video has been out for awhile, but I thought I would ask anyway. Can the arbor on this saw be swapped to accept 5/8" arbor blades? Not too many 20mm on shelves here. Would be really cool if it was like the 40v track saw that has the capability to do both by flipping the arbor. Not sure if that's only on US market saws.
I have the other black 18volt version of this and I wished it had more power even though I love it. This little saw might be the definite push to go all 40v 🤣🤣
Would you buy this same model again over the HS012GZ which is near equivalent here in NZ? Even though it has the front handle it seems to me the cutting depths of the NZ model are worse than 18V
I strongly recommend not screwing or bolting anything load bearing to the case. It will cause the plastic to either deform or crack and you may do your hand / wrist a grave disservice while operating the tool. I've seen Stihl screw their power washer hose reel to their case and because it was load bearing it made complete and utter shite of it during shipping. Same happened for the replacement so it's highly unlikely it was due to man-handling. I consider it a fundamental design flaw. The plastic on the Stihl wasn't the same quality as your saw but it was almost 5mm thick. Think about what happens if you exert serious downward force on a handle that is little attachment to frame or worse, do that during a kickback event? Anyway, my 2 cent : )
Thanks for the review. Just purchased the makita 40v 6 piece kit here in NZ. So frustrating not having the ripping guide included. Do you know where the best place to buy one here in NZ? I’m tempted to just buy another saw with one included.
Great review bloke! Would love to see this up against the equivalent Hikoki (I think it's the C3606DA). I'm currently deciding which brand I should go with. Being a home gamer though, I don't think I'd be disappointed with either brands offerings. Have a soft spot for Makies though!
They brought out a Skillsaw shaped XGT saw and a Big Foot shaped XGT saw just for the United States of ‘Murica. The lack of a worldwide 165mm product, the history of american pleasing 18v blade left 6-1/2” saws, and finally the heavy US pandering with the NA launch all led me to believe we’d see a blade left 165mm xgt by now. However, they’ve been kind of all over the place with their quarterly booster shots, and COVID has actually just finally had an effect on their ability to deliver new product in a timely and reliable manner (the US second and third round of XGT are on the website but delayed indefinitely). So, it’s an “I can’t imagine they wouldn’t” and a however “anytime between tomorrow and the next two years”.
40v is nice line, but prices for those batteries are hard to overlook. realy heavy duty pros will go probably straight to 40v anyway, but all others average joes like me are more than happy with current 18v brushless line and i hope they will leave at that and keep evolving this tools also in the future..
The SP001G is just rolling out in Thailand and Vietnam (they’re always the first) and they’ve already announced more saws: a pair of saws for fiber cement and drywall. Historically, they typically keep their fiber board saws with the dust collecting shrouds in Asia, however. They’re making me suffer waiting for the metal cutting saw.
@@robertrada4783 Very interesting, I did not know that. That will explain the location of the video channel which posted the video. I couldn't wait any longer so bought the dsp600 three weeks ago. Still a great saw.👍
The lack of a front handle is just a Japanese market specific thing. When this is deployed to other markets it will have a front handle. Almost every saw Makita sells in Japan (40V, 18V, 14.4V, corded) is without a front handle because of the way woodworking/carpentry in general is practised there.
@@eskimosilver We like perfectly straight and square cut and almost always use guide when we use circular saw. Left hand is for holding guide. I think that's why our circular saw is much lighter and smaller than overseas models.
Newbie here trying to decide on my first circular saw (and method) for precision cutting. Been researching alot but still confused. Are any Shinwa guides good for cutting 1m lengths of 7 or 12mm plywood? Or just use Aluminum straight edge? Thanks in advance
@@tatsu5454 I’ve seen videos with Japanese woodworkers using a special guide/fence with a small circular saw. Seems like a nice set up, especially if you don’t have a table saw. Would you know where I could find a guide/fence like that? Or what they are called?
Awesome saw! I like some of the improvements/variations. The thicker metal bracket thingy for the depth adjustment is a great idea. I hope it stiffens the base plate from swaying when using a straight edge guide. I've had issues with slight waviness with other saws. The non-handle makes the saw look more sleek, and allows for a convenient logo placement. Deeper depth of cut... excellent! The back end looks quite cool, too. More slender and tidy looking with the sideways battery mount. Makita is really pumping out the saws. I have yet to take the 40v plunge (haha). I'm fairly sure my first purchase will be the miter saw (kit). $850 gut punch. Tell me it's worth it. It is, isn't it?
Why would you want a front handle? I use a 2000watt corded 9&1/4 and use 1 hand..otherwise, thanks for your review...what about battery life..? Comparison
You mentioned there is an 18v Makita 165mm saw that cuts deeper than the usual 57mm, perhaps as deep as the new 40v. Can you please tell me the model number for this saw? Do you know if it’s sold in Australia? I have searched the Makita website but couldn’t find it.
The DHS630 cuts to 66mm. Unfortunately it looks like it is no longer available. You might get lucky and find one somewhere or second hand perhaps. Good luck.
I'm in Australia but when l try to buy from Amazon via a link it says outside delivery area. Tried NZ delivery but doesn't work either. How do you bypass this?
I looked for the japan link but could not see it = can you help please - can you advise an approx fob cost sourcing from Japan ? much appreciated thanks
You may not be able to tap into that spot in front next to the motor as it’s about the shape of a potted and heat sinked control board. If you look at the 125mm, it has the same rectangular shape next to the motor but on the other side where I suspect it’s own mother brain lives.
I have a black 18volt HS631D 165mm 66mm deep cutting saw made in Japan. she is the top one sale in Japan. BTW are you interested in Makita new 40v KS001G/KS002G 125mm self dust collect saw and also 18volt version.
Where are the 40v Vacuums/Dust Collectors? I feel like Makita is asleep at the wheel, if their target was to have bigger more powerful tools like a bigger rotary hammer how are you supposed to be table 1 compliant (OSHA)?
It’s only a matter of time. The 125mm and 165mm have been out in Japan since day one and yet zero 165mm/6-1/2” saws outside of Japan (I don’t believe they brought them to other Asian markets even…not sure). They clearly have had plans for an international blade left 6-1/2”. COVID messed everything up.
The 165 is same as the Hikoki saw. Who is making whos' I dunno but hikoki boxes even stack with Makita boxes too. Hikoki 36v driver is a Makita product and I suspect the same on the saw.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL What I find funny is that I got the 7-1/4” as a gift a month ago and I’ve actually been reaching for that one the most. 😂. Longer shoe is nice for questionable plunge cuts doing demo and in general.
Avery Dennison wants his pallet back.
He will need a roll of tape and glue too.
the five degrees back bevel rule of 1672...gets ya every time. I've had that 18v only 42mm 45 degree cut headache a few times. Real ballbag to have to finish off with a bandsaw and often you need a chisel as well.
Thank you for using the same new blades in this review, it makes so much sense during the comparison to each other to see difference
That cardboard box it came in can be recycled into a front handle. It's A whole different ethos.
Just ordered the last black version of the 165mm from your link below, thanks for putting those in. Was choosing between this and the Hikoki 165mm 36V, this one was the winner after watching your video and one other. Great videos, awesome dialogue and hand gestures, keep up the hard work editing.
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback.
I’m having a hard time seeing myself departing from my DHS680. What a great saw!! LOVE IT!!! and the blade is on the left side, very very handy!!
When Makita 40v comes out with a left sided 165mm blade, I would consider it. Until then I will continue watching your really great reviews of Makita power tools. 👌👌👌👌👌
I’ve been speculating for some time that they have a blade left 6-1/2” in the works. I got tired of waiting and imported the 165mm.
@@robertrada4783
I understand your frustration!! I was like that but i have calmed down quiet a bit! Tools are becoming more and more pricy!!
Hopefully within the next 12 months they will come out with a blade left (other than their worm style saws) 6 1/2 circ. saw and maybe with a handle. Oufff! Probably asking for too much from Makita.
Haha your like the only other person that understands the left handed bladed. I hate looking over the saw to see what's going on..I'm right handed. So looking straight at the blade makes such sense. I have 36v as well but blade is on the right arghhh
@@phillipfletcher5967 Here in the states, I reckon most builders prefer blade left as about half of them (framers specifically) have exclusively used a worm drive their entire career. Every-time a normal blade right sidewinder or beam saw makes an appearance here, everyone comes out of the woodwork to bitch about it being on the “wrong side”. The DHS680 (despite being made in the UK for certain markets) was definitely an appeal to North America. I’m going to have to imagine if they do a 165mm, it will be blade left and it will have a handle. All of their saws have handles outside of Japan (afaik). Although, the handle is on the motor, so what use is it anyway? 😅 I’m pretty unique in this country for preferring the blade right arrangement. Just like the blade left fans, it’s simply because it’s what I’m used to.
i need them to make a 6 1/2" xgt ,left blade,track compatible base saw with removable base to flush cut to bottom plates.....asking for too much?!?!?!?!? LOL but if they made this saw on the left id purchase as well....cheers from canada
Thanks for having the only English reviews of these amazing saws on TH-cam! I am trying to decide between 125/165mm and 18/40V. Looking to precision cut 7-12mm Ply/MDF/acrylic.
Is 125mm preferably for thinner materials? TIA
So frustrating that most of the new 40v saws don't have the base plate setup for use with the guide rails or at least an option for the gudie rail adapter, HS003G, base plate not compatible and can't be used with the rail adapter!!!!
This looks like it could be the one of the most well rounded skillys on the market, not too heavy, good depth of cut, good power. What more could you want? Other than a handle... I wonder if they removed it to improve visibility to the left side of the blade? (for right handed people) great video 👍
Some markets they have a handle others they do not. Look up the American “sub compact” 6-1/2” saw. The housing is a Japanese 5” saw but they modified the mold to take the separate handle piece.
@@robertrada6040 Strike that, I just looked at the sub compact saw and it’s pretty much it’s own thing other than the battery placement being similar. Nonetheless, all of the saws outside of Asia have handles and most of them don’t in Asia.
Some Japanese guy said they always use guides there.
@@tylerandsandiescott2893 Every video I've watched they're using either a super long Shinwa parallel guide or a Tajima crosscutting square.
@@tylerandsandiescott2893 the handles is useless , I do use the guide on occasion but something like 2 outta 10 times .
I have some black makita tools that I bought just because I love black. But I also love makita. ❤
Good morning bro. Thanks for all the spec's & demo. Are you going to put it up agents the Hikoki. I can't remember if you did a review on the Hikoki. I'll have to look it up. Hope you & the Mrs all safe & sound in this level 4 lockdown. Stay Owesome cuz. 🙏🏾☝🏾💚"s🤙🏾🐢🔔🔔🔔
Are there detents for the angles? Thanks 🙏
Does it rip as easily as the 185mm hs003g? Trying to decide which to get as my first circular saw as I've just started my carpentry and DIY career
18v HS631D also has the same base plate/guide screws. I have one in black and is very similar to HS001G.
The left hand blade HS012GZ doesn’t seem to have the same features as this one. Two years later, which would you go with? I’m so used to a smaller left hand blade but I really like this one.
I know this video has been out for awhile, but I thought I would ask anyway. Can the arbor on this saw be swapped to accept 5/8" arbor blades? Not too many 20mm on shelves here. Would be really cool if it was like the 40v track saw that has the capability to do both by flipping the arbor. Not sure if that's only on US market saws.
Also having this issue
Let me know if you find a solutionplease
I have the other black 18volt version of this and I wished it had more power even though I love it. This little saw might be the definite push to go all 40v 🤣🤣
same here! Damn it's so compact plus the exta power and enduring battery.
IF ONLY Makita brings a 18/40 V paint sprayer :(
Would you buy this same model again over the HS012GZ which is near equivalent here in NZ? Even though it has the front handle it seems to me the cutting depths of the NZ model are worse than 18V
I strongly recommend not screwing or bolting anything load bearing to the case. It will cause the plastic to either deform or crack and you may do your hand / wrist a grave disservice while operating the tool. I've seen Stihl screw their power washer hose reel to their case and because it was load bearing it made complete and utter shite of it during shipping. Same happened for the replacement so it's highly unlikely it was due to man-handling. I consider it a fundamental design flaw. The plastic on the Stihl wasn't the same quality as your saw but it was almost 5mm thick. Think about what happens if you exert serious downward force on a handle that is little attachment to frame or worse, do that during a kickback event? Anyway, my 2 cent : )
Thanks for the review. Just purchased the makita 40v 6 piece kit here in NZ. So frustrating not having the ripping guide included. Do you know where the best place to buy one here in NZ?
I’m tempted to just buy another saw with one included.
I agree it's a bit of a joke they don't include guide, it's only a $5 part. Wouldn't buy another saw because of it
Wherever you got the kit from will be able to source you one from Makita NZ. Also get the Thumb screw and spring if the saw doesn't have it.
Great review bloke! Would love to see this up against the equivalent Hikoki (I think it's the C3606DA).
I'm currently deciding which brand I should go with. Being a home gamer though, I don't think I'd be disappointed with either brands offerings.
Have a soft spot for Makies though!
can't you use the metal saw blades with the slower speed? at least in theory they match the maximum RPM from the makita metal 150mm disc
You could... but I wouldn't want to.
Do you know if Makita will bring out another saw with the blade on the left?? It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading to this!
In time they probably will, but I don't know when. All the 40vs so far are blade right.
They brought out a Skillsaw shaped XGT saw and a Big Foot shaped XGT saw just for the United States of ‘Murica. The lack of a worldwide 165mm product, the history of american pleasing 18v blade left 6-1/2” saws, and finally the heavy US pandering with the NA launch all led me to believe we’d see a blade left 165mm xgt by now. However, they’ve been kind of all over the place with their quarterly booster shots, and COVID has actually just finally had an effect on their ability to deliver new product in a timely and reliable manner (the US second and third round of XGT are on the website but delayed indefinitely). So, it’s an “I can’t imagine they wouldn’t” and a however “anytime between tomorrow and the next two years”.
I love how every other opening looks like a cinematic shot from LOTR.
I have dhs680 i've bought it last year. now I can sleep well bc i know it's still an actual comfortable saw but as not powerful as xgt a bit)
40v is nice line, but prices for those batteries are hard to overlook. realy heavy duty pros will go probably straight to 40v anyway, but all others average joes like me are more than happy with current 18v brushless line and i hope they will leave at that and keep evolving this tools also in the future..
I would love to see this saw against the 165mm 36v hikoki, if possible?
Milwaukee doesn't include a rip fence either. I had to order 2. Ended up being a huge pain.
May I ask, sir, can this be used to cut iron if using an iron cutting blade?
It can, but it is quite quick for metal cutting so I would do it on the slower speed.
Great review. Saw a very short review the other day on TH-cam of a Makita 40v plunge saw. Have you seen it?
The SP001G is just rolling out in Thailand and Vietnam (they’re always the first) and they’ve already announced more saws: a pair of saws for fiber cement and drywall. Historically, they typically keep their fiber board saws with the dust collecting shrouds in Asia, however. They’re making me suffer waiting for the metal cutting saw.
@@robertrada4783 Very interesting, I did not know that. That will explain the location of the video channel which posted the video. I couldn't wait any longer so bought the dsp600 three weeks ago. Still a great saw.👍
The lack of a front handle is just a Japanese market specific thing. When this is deployed to other markets it will have a front handle. Almost every saw Makita sells in Japan (40V, 18V, 14.4V, corded) is without a front handle because of the way woodworking/carpentry in general is practised there.
Oh that’s crazy, what’s the difference in style?
@@eskimosilver We like perfectly straight and square cut and almost always use guide when we use circular saw. Left hand is for holding guide.
I think that's why our circular saw is much lighter and smaller than overseas models.
@@tatsu5454 perfect reply and very understandable.
Newbie here trying to decide on my first circular saw (and method) for precision cutting. Been researching alot but still confused.
Are any Shinwa guides good for cutting 1m lengths of 7 or 12mm plywood? Or just use Aluminum straight edge?
Thanks in advance
@@tatsu5454 I’ve seen videos with Japanese woodworkers using a special guide/fence with a small circular saw. Seems like a nice set up, especially if you don’t have a table saw.
Would you know where I could find a guide/fence like that? Or what they are called?
Beautiful scenery just before the box appeared, argh!!!
Hi, does anyone know when this 40v 165mm circular saw is coming to the UK?
Awesome saw! I like some of the improvements/variations. The thicker metal bracket thingy for the depth adjustment is a great idea. I hope it stiffens the base plate from swaying when using a straight edge guide. I've had issues with slight waviness with other saws. The non-handle makes the saw look more sleek, and allows for a convenient logo placement. Deeper depth of cut... excellent! The back end looks quite cool, too. More slender and tidy looking with the sideways battery mount.
Makita is really pumping out the saws. I have yet to take the 40v plunge (haha). I'm fairly sure my first purchase will be the miter saw (kit). $850 gut punch. Tell me it's worth it. It is, isn't it?
The 10" and 12" mitres will be out soon...
Why would you want a front handle? I use a 2000watt corded 9&1/4 and use 1 hand..otherwise, thanks for your review...what about battery life..? Comparison
Is this one made in Japan too? Or just shipped from Japan?
Made in China and Only sold in Japan.
What about the weight of both 18V and 40V?
40V has no front handler, perhaps it is lighter.
Excellent vid. Does anyone use Bosch in New Zealand?
Yes.
You mentioned there is an 18v Makita 165mm saw that cuts deeper than the usual 57mm, perhaps as deep as the new 40v. Can you please tell me the model number for this saw? Do you know if it’s sold in Australia? I have searched the Makita website but couldn’t find it.
The DHS630 cuts to 66mm. Unfortunately it looks like it is no longer available. You might get lucky and find one somewhere or second hand perhaps. Good luck.
Thanks very much for the advice. I’ll see if i can find one.
I found the hs630 in Europe however it’s not brushless. I did however find that the brushless 18v hs631d cuts to 66mm and is available in Japan.
I'm in Australia but when l try to buy from Amazon via a link it says outside delivery area. Tried NZ delivery but doesn't work either. How do you bypass this?
I looked for the japan link but could not see it = can you help please - can you advise an approx fob cost sourcing from Japan ? much appreciated thanks
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@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL thankyou very much
Has a few similarities to the Hikoki 165.
Is it made in Japan?
No, China, pretty sure I said that in the video.
You may not be able to tap into that spot in front next to the motor as it’s about the shape of a potted and heat sinked control board. If you look at the 125mm, it has the same rectangular shape next to the motor but on the other side where I suspect it’s own mother brain lives.
my circular saw broke down and can't afford to buy a new one, could you send your old saw to me? greetings from Finland..
I have a black 18volt HS631D 165mm 66mm deep cutting saw made in Japan. she is the top one sale in Japan. BTW are you interested in Makita new 40v KS001G/KS002G 125mm self dust collect saw and also 18volt version.
Where are the 40v Vacuums/Dust Collectors? I feel like Makita is asleep at the wheel, if their target was to have bigger more powerful tools like a bigger rotary hammer how are you supposed to be table 1 compliant (OSHA)?
Before watching thanks sure the test is good as well, now gonna have dinner
Awe, been waiting for the 165, absolutely gutted it's a right hand blade, and no front handle. It's a no go for me 🙁
It’s only a matter of time. The 125mm and 165mm have been out in Japan since day one and yet zero 165mm/6-1/2” saws outside of Japan (I don’t believe they brought them to other Asian markets even…not sure). They clearly have had plans for an international blade left 6-1/2”. COVID messed everything up.
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Avery Dennison won't be happy if he sees the video
The 165 is same as the Hikoki saw. Who is making whos' I dunno but hikoki boxes even stack with Makita boxes too. Hikoki 36v driver is a Makita product and I suspect the same on the saw.
Finally, you can be like me.
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@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL What I find funny is that I got the 7-1/4” as a gift a month ago and I’ve actually been reaching for that one the most. 😂. Longer shoe is nice for questionable plunge cuts doing demo and in general.