The EASIEST Spray Foam Hills for D&D and Wargaming!?!?! (D&D Crafting)
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This week, I may have found the GREATEST CRAFTING PRODUCT EVER! People have been making spray foam hills for Dungeons and Dragons and Wargaming forever. But now DAP is making a CRAFT SPECIFIC spray foam!!!!
So this week, I'll give it a try and see what its all about!
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I recall Mel the Terrain Tutor using expanding foam (the yellow stuff) in a video a few years back. I'd have to go back and find the video again to remember what his final opinion was but I think he had the same issues you brought up here with this new substance. Thank you for a good reivew and for saving me some money at the hobby/hardware store.
What if's....
1) What if you used something to shape and smooth the foam after spraying but before it dried? I understand that it is still drying and will change shape a bit still but I wonder if this would work to get the ripples out requiring less sculpting later.
2) What if you used this in a mold, would it hold the shape then you just need to flatten the bottom? I wonder if it will pop out of a mold or adhere to it?
Thanks for the review.
Heck, you might be able to create a really quick and cheap mold for this spray foam using aluminum foil. Crumbled up to give it a rocky texture, almost like if making molds for plaster rocks. Maybe try pre-forming the aluminum mold into upside-down hill shapes, to expedite the process. If the foam expands too much out the top, simply cut that excess off. If the foam doesn't expand enough to fill the space, you have a smaller than normal sized hill.
It's what I suspected; the exact thing as the yellow foam, re-branded for crafters, and made in white.
I used it once for caves. I actually liked it.
Thanks for the experiment! Yours turned out pretty good all considered.
That is what i was thinking as well.
Do not try to shape it when wet with your hands. It will stick to your skin like crazy! Also do NOT get it on your clothes - they will be ruined.
Mel the terrain tutor has a video on the construction version of this (this looks like exact same stuff just not yellow). His final take was that it was usable, but had problems -
must be shaped , there is no way to spray it and get a usable item without shaving, trimming.
When shaping and cutting it, the interior has holes (air pockets) that will show on the now cut surface. This will require you to cover the whole thing in some kind of joint compound or similar
After those steps you can paint your rock and it works on table.
Definitely not a time saver.
I would rather wad-up a ball of tinfoil and shape that I to a rock then cover it with joint compound.
My taxidermist has been using foam for 30 years. The difference is that he uses a two-part mix and stirs it up himself. Has a similar effect, but in a much larger quantity for mount bases. Better quality foam, too.
7:49
The immense use of tile grout from Builders is incredible
Remember
This is Important
Grout is Highly Corrosive
It is Very Carcinogenic
You need P100 filters
Latex or equivalent hand protection
Looks great
But caution should be used as well
Noted! Thank you!
I've used other expanding foam sprays in the past.
One thing that came from an old tutorial (I think Mongoose did a few back when they had the Starship Troopers license) where you get some larger plastic bins, fill them with sand and shape a mould in the sand of the hill you want and spray the foam in while adding a lid to cover the top and keep it locked in, foam fills the void and gets textures embedded in it from the sand layer it gets which makes it extremely sturdy, and you, pretty much just need to cut the vent the lid would have to spray through and will have some spillage and then paint it.
Ok you have never worked with this clearly.
Let's take a handful or 3 of tile grouting and just drop it on some hardboard. Yeah that was bright. You pushed plaster rocks into something that will become rocklike.
You can shape it before you let it dry. You can texture it before it dries. You can add player bits to it. There is so much you can do.
Give it another try but try these
Spray into a basic shape and mold it.
Sprinkle dirt and or stones for texture.
Make a mound, drop 7 or so bricks on it and push a piller at an odd angle.
Make a mound, use plastic wrap and make a hollow space, push a fallen tree in. Fill hollow with rasine.
Use paper towels to make a dome, channel, or cave. Soray down, remove towels and boom 💥 perfect den or bandit cave
There's so much you could da. So much fun you overlooked. Just be smart about it. Wear gloves, wear a mask. Wear eye protection. This stuff will stick to your skin hard.
I used 14 cans to fill shoes, socks, pants, shirt, gloves and a clear plastic head to make a dummy for my kids to blow up.
Definitely glad you did the test drive - can’t see myself finding much of a use for this now!
Try smoothing the foam just after you sprayed ut
Bet it would be good for a cliff face or with that porous look maybe some underwater terrain?
Great review as always, definitely agree with your thoughts, I could see making clouds with this for an airship campaign or as others have said maybe using with silicone or hurst arts molds or something along the lines, may be worth a try
Nice review. Very helpful. Thank you!
A spray of water on the foam makes a skin that can be molded to an extent, but the surface still keeps the same texture.
😂😂😂😂 the shaking was amazing
I've always wanted to try spraying triple expanding foam into a bowl or Ballon to try to do easier spheres and wondered if it would work.
Great video. I love seeing reviews of unusual products like this. I think the texture would make some awesome lava terrain. Was it any easier to work with than insulation spray foam (super messy and toxic)?
Another application might be to fill hollow terrain, like the inside of a building?
Great review! As far as any other possible uses, the uncarved form reminded me of a cooled lava flow. Perhaps Polynesian inspired terrain?
You’ve got such an epic backlog of content, so glad I stumbled onto the channel
Thank you! I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
Awesome to know this stuff exists. I’d be interested in a follow up after these hills have had some time to sit. I have had some issues in the past with construction spray foam/gap filler rocks, where even when they are coated with joint compound and BMC base coat, after a few weeks they expand if you carve the original hard surface off, and end up splitting the joint compound, base coat, and paint, revealing that yellow spongey inside. This stuff might not be better than XPS or EPS for making sub-structures, but if it doesn’t have any expansion issues, it could certainly be a replacement for old spray foam techniques. I might just have to try this stuff for making rocks and such!
I used this to make a giant rock monster. It's messy, but you can work with it.
For the bases, definitely check out ePVC foam sheets if you haven’t already. They are essentially like masonite except made of plastic. Its lighter, and completely water resistant. It will also take edge carving a lot better - I noticed some chunky parts on the edges where the masonite sort of came apart on you.
Its not too expensive either, and is sometimes available for next to nothing as scrap from sign crafting business and the like. Huge game changer for me when I found it
I have not used this specific product but I've used the construction version often. I've made smoke markers, nuclear explosions and clouds. This kind of product is perfect for such uses.
Honestly. Thank you for the Proxxon test. That sold me on not buying the product for what I initially intended.
Feels like this stuff is a tool in the toolbox. It's the same as yellow expanding foam, but it's white. It's got features and the fact that it wants to expand can make it useful if you wanted to smooth and join terrain pieces, fill gaps and seams (the larger the better almost), and generally make for solid results when your starting point was never going to have them otherwise. Where it might save you time is on a big project where you can use it here and go work on some other part over there. It won't replace your hot wire table and blocks of foam, certainly.
I would try to hold the pipe at one place and spray the foam out at one place leaving the pipe buried in the pile. That way I would think you would end up with a more smooth rounded hill without all the rolls. You did not say if it had as much fumes as the home gap filling foam.
Dude, you could simply put paper mache or cheap masking tape over it to get a smooth texture and then cover it with flocking and texture over that.
I like the try it in a mold or shape it as its still wet maybe. Maybe a creature, flesh golem, where you can add body parts sticking out or spell effects. Maybe even make add on nozzle adapters to spray it out in diff forms, shapes, flatnesses. Seems interesting though, thanks for showing!!
Great tutorial
eview Garmin.
I prefer using the yellow expanding foam as used in construction, great expansion properties.
You saved me from buying, thanks again Garmin
If I remember correctly the yellow foam is toxic until it dries. The dust and shavings are also dangerous. Not sure about the craft version. Interesting video!
MY immediate thought with you showing the can was expanding foam for construction just like you referenced. If I would ever go with spray foam I would always opt for the construction stuff (probably cheaper)
I appreciate you commiting to the shake sequence 😂😂😂
4:45 i’m never going to shake a can of spray paint or spray foam the same ever again!!!
This is a great craft and an easy way to make a lot of terrain when you're in a hurry.
I wonder if you could shape it while it is still fresh out of the can and not have to cut as much after it has cured.
Spray it into a mould. I've used it to make replacement inserts for board game boxes.
might be able to use it for some dense tree foliage. (with careful/mindful application technique)
I use the window/door gap foam for making shapes to carve into rocks when i have large amounts to make. I also use it to fill up gaps when I made my barrow mounds. Stuff doesnt like the hot wire tools.
I liked the review! I wonder if spraying in a silicone mold as in a ice cube mold if it would make decent bricks?
I've been meaning to try using spray foam to make fleshy terrain for inside a giant monster. The curves might work well for that.
Not sure if it helps but it said to use the can upside down. Not sure if it would behave differently. Also maybe try to use xps foam and just use the spray as an adhesive for the plaster rocks
I think it is a good option for those of us who don't have access to a cutting table or a lot of space. I will buy a can just to see if it works out for what I need it for.
Lmao fun and educational, exactly what I needed your the best! thankyou
Thank YOU for watching!
Hey Garman! How well do you think the stuff would work sprayed into a mold? If you were making something that required a bunch of the same part I wonder if you could carve one out of XPS and then make a mold of it and use this stuff to make a bunch more of them. Or even bricks? I wonder how well it would work for either cutting into bricks or if you wanted to make a mold of a brick or a rock how well it would work. Also when you sprayed out the lumps could you have taken a palette knife and smoothed it into a nice hill shape?
Your shake-montage makes me also feel like you need a sister channel of your EDM dance talents, G ;)
When I have used other spray foam I would have to go over it with a joint compound to fill in the pocket holes, so if this stuff does not have the air pocket issue that's a major plus.
I've used this in the past to bulk out areas would be too hard to cut out of foam. i think you found one ideal use with the paster rocks, and I would use it to fill in gaps and large where sculpt-a-mold is overkill.
First off I love your channel. Second try using it in a silicone mold.
would it conform to molds? Maybe pressing it in immediately to fill cavities accurately. Simple would be like rock molds from Woodlands Scenics, but it could be used for decorative trims or other such stuff. Maybe Vaseline as a release agent.
The first thing that I thought of when I saw how it sprayed out was extruded rock or lava flow. I might embrace it for a trip to the fire plane or fighting a big bad in a caldera, etc.
Might be a better alternative to the regular dap foam for the Halloween LED bonfires, depending on how durable it is and how well it deals with weather as well as how it disperses light.
It works in silicone molds. Must be a closed mold but it will work
Still want to know what your neighbors think. Especially with that top of the line dance bit.
Really want to know what the smell/fumes factor was, please. If its not like the nasty smelling yellow versions, then it has LOTS of uses. Filling thin hollow bits, like deli containers or blister packaging, is my main interest, as they can crush easily.
So, please, what's the smell/fume factor?
Loctite makes a white foam that doesn’t go crazy with its expansion.I’m still not sure this is anything different. You can work the Loctite while still soft in about 10 minutes.I believe your hands need to be damped with water. Stiltbeast studios uses it for a lot of his projects
Hmmm, I’ll have to check that out! Thank you!
I think that it would be great for basalt rock which is volcanic in nature
Nice review. Seems like a good product for filler material. A little more convenient than hanging on to giant pieces of EPS. Side question, where is your woodland mat from?
Where do you find this? I can't find it anywhere. Found a few last year but never been able to find it since. Has it been discontinued? I even went to the DAP website.
Hummmmm! Interesting. Thank you for spending your hard earned money to show the community how products work. I agree with your take on the product. That said. Maybe spraying into large silicone molds might give a better surface. :)
Might work for volcano magma flow.
11:21 I actually think that the uncarved foam texture on this piece makes a really good volcanic rock. It's not a texture you often see in gaming terrain. But go for a darker grey colour and you've got yourself Mount Doom and/or Iceland right there.
Would do really good for volcanic stone formations. Wouldn't erven have to carve it as much
Did it have the air pockets in the foam as other standard can foam leaves behind?
Yes it appeared to. You could see them in a couple places where he was carving it
Noticed that you were spraying it with the can up-right instead of upside-down like the instructions said. That might be the issue you had with it.
The ripple come from how you placed the bead. All bead foam requires sculpting and sanding.
Try again in stages and see what you get.
Lastly, your using a new tool to do the same thing. What about a mountainside, a volcano shaft, a towering insect mound , etc.
Weren't you supposed to turn the can upside down when you sprayed it? Maybe that effected the results?
I can't find this anywhere anymore.
Why didn’t you smooth it out or shape it before it dries?
I've been making sci fi terrain out of washed out food packaging trays. they have excellent shapes for buildings and platforms, etc but they're kind of flimsy. I was thinking that stuff like this (or most likely the generic insulation stuff) would be a good way to add some rigidity. the shape of the tray will contain the expansion, and whatever spills out the top can be cut flush.
Very true!
Did you ever try spraying it into a mold?
I would think the best way to use this would be to make a mold, using a combination of a plaster hard shell and latex inside for your shape. Then you spray the foam into the latex shape, attach some kind of outer cover over the plaster shell, making sure there is an opening so that as the foam expands it has a way to push out. Then once it finishes expanding, it should take the shape of your latex and you'd be good. Your latex mold would be either make from a couple of interior rock shapes to make some kind of mountain shape etc. By the way, great review of the product.
I found a video that shows what I was trying to explain above. th-cam.com/video/V4xg7xBBK8g/w-d-xo.html
Try shaping it BEFORE it dries
Looks the same as the yellow stuff. I'd go for the one that's cheaper.
What if you used it for overgrown biological structures, massive clumps of fungus or flesh on a lower plane
Did Dap stop making this product?
Have you checked out Mel the Terrain Tutors video on using a similar product over here in the UK? th-cam.com/video/pm3_9pXRrig/w-d-xo.html
I dont know to me it just looks like paying extra for white expanding foam over the regular yellow stuff. Youre gonna paint over it anyway. Youre just paying extra for the "hobby aproved" brand.
Its like Mod Podge. I swear someone payed or sucked off someone for the way mod podge is being overhyped and used for everything in this hobby. Outside its utility as a decent water effect the way its used 99% of the time its just overpriced wood glue.
Clearly, you do not value peoples' time.