1 trick to remember is when knife edging during the four piunt roll. If top of airplane is facing you rudder input will always be opposite direction of flight, when bottom of airplane is facing you, rudder input is always in same direction of flight
This is by far the BEST tutorial on TH-cam on how to properly execute a 4-point roll. The thorough explanation and visuals made a huge difference between other videos I've looked at. Hopefully you'll continue to put other 3D maneuvers tutorials. You def gained a new sub this video was superb !!!
Thank you so much, Quincey. We really appreciate the feedback. What are some other maneuvers you would like to see? Also, do us a favor and share our content as much as possible. We are trying to grow as much as we can and word of mouth is the best way to do that :)
@@FlightReviewz I totally understand and I’ll be sure to tell all my friends at York County Flyers about your channel and my friends who I’m trying to get into the hobby. If you get some free time could you post ANYTHING to help me out with flat spins & inverted flat spins. For some odd reason the nose still drops lower and the plane isn’t as flat as I’d like for it to be.
@@FlightReviewz Thank you for asking. It would be great if we could have a tutorial for trimming an aircraft. For example, how to make sure tail or nose heavy. Benefits of trimming while flying upside down. Getting the right CG (may be not the mathematical part..lol)as sometimes manuals are not correct. This will form a great basis for beginner pilots to step up. Cheers👍
SRC, great idea! Funny thing is we were talking weekend before last about people's lack of understanding of trimming an airplane. Even after years of flying. We will put something together soon on this subject, so stay tuned!! Thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!!
its important to note, when rolling back to inverted or right tilde up form a knife edge, remember to take rudder stick back to neutral, that's a mistake most make as your are already holding rudder for the knife edge and keep holding the rudder when transition which will force you into a barrel
Great stuff guys i cant wait to get out and try 😂😂😂i try moves but panic when it gets to the 3rd step 😂😂😂. Great way to explain stuff and will be watching all ya other vids. New supporter here ❤❤❤merry xmas
@@FlightReviewz I'm still only about 2 points into the 4 point roll. Once I've mastered that I'll have a think. You can never have too much guidance on how to land a tailwheel though. Scale style flick (snap) rolls?
Something I remember is regardless of the direction. When you enter a roll the rudder is always opposite to aileron. So if it left aileron, it is always right rudder. Right aileron is always left rudder.
This is an AWESOME TUTORIAL ! I just got back into flying and I swear it is not like riding a bike lol I forgot how to do everything and I absolutely love the radio pic to show exactly how it's done 👍🏾 I'm hitting the skies again😁✌🏾
You are really good instructor, the way you explain things you are making it easier for some of us to follow. Which plane you recommend for us that is easier to do these maneuver? Thank you
One key memory point that I learned - -When the plane is upright (moving to step 2 of the 4 point roll) - the rudder direction is always OPPOSITE of the aileron roll direction. -When the plane is inverted (moving to step 3 of the 4 point roll) - the rudder direction is always THE SAME as the aileron roll direction. (when flying mode 2 on your transmitter - throttle on the left)
Once inverted... any advice on (in Mode 2) the stick movement from down elevator > aileron > centre ? because with the 'artificial' down elevator trim it's not the same as upright to knife-edge. Bigger aircraft may, I suppose, be more forgiving.
Hey Richard. Every plane is going to be a little different. As you get more confident with the basics of the maneuver you can think a little more about this. A lot of time when going from upright you may be holding a little up elevator and not realize it. When this happens, adding the rudder early doesn't affect heading as much as it normally would. Coming from inverted you will slowly bring the elevator out as you add the rudder for the next point. Think of the plane kind of like a v-tail at these moments. I think our next video in this line may have to be the 8-point roll to help break down these areas. What do you think? I hope this helps.
Nice educational video.. thanks . One question to anyone who can answer please.. so, I have a rudder ailerons mix set up, say I go into knife edge turning left and my ruder is turned right , then into inverted , and then I come out inverted into knife edge turning left again , but my ruder is still turned right due to the mix. How do I get Ruder turn left ?? I hope I explained the question clearly .. thnx again
Thank you for the positive feedback @BC LTD Inc. Your question is a little fuzzy but I think I get the idea. I think you are referring more to a pre-programmed maneuver like in the old days (snap-roll switch, slow roll switch, etc.). What we are talking about when we discuss a Rudder to Aileron mix is more of something that "trims" out the coupling when a certain input is given. For instance, on a plane that has even the slightest amount of dihedral, when you give right rudder the plane will have a tendency to roll right as well. This is what makes 2-channel (rudder and elevator) aircraft like gliders work. In our aerobatic aircraft, we don't want that roll to present itself. So, in this case, we would add a mix that adds opposite (left) aileron when right rudder is input. This will cause the aircraft to turn flat, or remain in knife edge without further input. On the other end of the travel (left rudder) we would add opposite aileron there as well (right aileron). These mixed inputs would be a small percentage. Usually around 5%. With the rudder to aileron mix you, the pilot, would still have to give the correct rudder inputs, but the aircraft would present a more precise four-point roll. We hope this helps. If you have further questions, please let us know. Also, there is a video in our library on setting up the rudder to aileron mix that may add some clarity. Have a great day!!
@@FlightReviewz yes . It did answer my question very well and thank you . I was at the field and realize that despite the mix, additional input from the stick was needed to perform the 4 points turn properly Thank you
The thing I have the hardest time with is how much my viper wants to turn in when I roll 90° I want to compensate with down elevator but it usually flying away from or into the flight line.
@@FlightReviewz sorry I keep forgetting the F-16 is only nicknamed “viper” it was actually an FMS F-16 I was referring to but I imagine the principle is the same?
@@Arm_Chair_Engineers no worries. It can get a little confusing. Principal is the same. One thing that helped me was to remember to let off any up elevator as I rolled. A lot of times, we are holding back pressure and don't even realize it. We will try to put something together for you in the future.
I appreciate you taking time to comment but do not see the correlation to this video. Yes, we recommend a well mixed aircraft (we have other videos on that), but even if you have the perfect mixes setup it won't help you if you can't give the proper inputs for rolling maneuvers.
He's good. makes sense too, on recovery, since brain can easily get discombobulated. Damn, buy a Real Flight simulator to practice, AMAZING to teach brain muscle memory!!! Program can cost $99.00 if you can use your own transmuter. PRACTICE inverted flight, high up, since that will make you feel more comfortable when rolling
Thank you for the feedback. A simulator can definitely be a useful tool. We would recommend the same learning process on the sim as well to speed up the learning curve.
1 trick to remember is when knife edging during the four piunt roll. If top of airplane is facing you rudder input will always be opposite direction of flight, when bottom of airplane is facing you, rudder input is always in same direction of flight
This is by far the BEST tutorial on TH-cam on how to properly execute a 4-point roll. The thorough explanation and visuals made a huge difference between other videos I've looked at. Hopefully you'll continue to put other 3D maneuvers tutorials. You def gained a new sub this video was superb !!!
Thank you so much, Quincey. We really appreciate the feedback. What are some other maneuvers you would like to see? Also, do us a favor and share our content as much as possible. We are trying to grow as much as we can and word of mouth is the best way to do that :)
@@FlightReviewz I totally understand and I’ll be sure to tell all my friends at York County Flyers about your channel and my friends who I’m trying to get into the hobby.
If you get some free time could you post ANYTHING to help me out with flat spins & inverted flat spins. For some odd reason the nose still drops lower and the plane isn’t as flat as I’d like for it to be.
Awesome! We can definitely do something on flat spins. Don't ever hesitate to make requests!
@@FlightReviewz Please give us some tips and insights about the slow roll !
@Michel Petrus we are working on getting a new plane together for aerobatic how too's. Once it is done we will get on this.
Excellent tutorial. I finally got my 4 poit rolls down in both directions and my slow rolls thanks to your instructions,
Thank you for the feedback. So glad this video helped you out. Be sure to tell a friend about us :)
One of few youtube videos that deal with the educational aspects of this hobby. I am a beginner and this helps me a lot. Thank you 👍
So glad you are finding the channel useful! Please let us know if there is anything specific you would like us to cover!
@@FlightReviewz Thank you for asking. It would be great if we could have a tutorial for trimming an aircraft. For example, how to make sure tail or nose heavy. Benefits of trimming while flying upside down. Getting the right CG (may be not the mathematical part..lol)as sometimes manuals are not correct. This will form a great basis for beginner pilots to step up. Cheers👍
SRC, great idea! Funny thing is we were talking weekend before last about people's lack of understanding of trimming an airplane. Even after years of flying. We will put something together soon on this subject, so stay tuned!! Thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!!
@@FlightReviewz Wow....I am super excited. Looking forward:-)
Roll from upright: top rudder input is always opposite of aileron input.
Roll from inverted: top rudder input is always the same as aileron input.
Correct. Thank you for our comment.
Best Four Point Roll Instruction I’ve seen, Thanks to you I’ve cracked it.
Now its time to master the slow roll 🥴
Thank you so much for your comment. We are so glad this video helped you out!!
This is an excellent video! Clear explanation, easy to follow, not in a hurry. Thank you.
Thank you very much. So glad you enjoyed the video!
Killer explantion Dude. Now I see what I've been doing wrong. Can't wait to try it this way. You just got a new subscriber!
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its important to note, when rolling back to inverted or right tilde up form a knife edge, remember to take rudder stick back to neutral, that's a mistake most make as your are already holding rudder for the knife edge and keep holding the rudder when transition which will force you into a barrel
Good point. It is also important to release any elevator input when rolling to knife edge to maintain a straight flight path.
Great stuff guys i cant wait to get out and try 😂😂😂i try moves but panic when it gets to the 3rd step 😂😂😂. Great way to explain stuff and will be watching all ya other vids. New supporter here ❤❤❤merry xmas
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Aw, thanks for posting this. The best explanation I've seen on how to learn a 4-point roll. Subbed.
Thanks for the sub. What would you like to see for our next how to?
@@FlightReviewz I'm still only about 2 points into the 4 point roll. Once I've mastered that I'll have a think. You can never have too much guidance on how to land a tailwheel though. Scale style flick (snap) rolls?
Something I remember is regardless of the direction. When you enter a roll the rudder is always opposite to aileron. So if it left aileron, it is always right rudder. Right aileron is always left rudder.
This is 100% true when starting upright. When you roll to knife edge from inverted the rudder will be the same direction as the aileron.
This is an AWESOME TUTORIAL ! I just got back into flying and I swear it is not like riding a bike lol I forgot how to do everything and I absolutely love the radio pic to show exactly how it's done 👍🏾 I'm hitting the skies again😁✌🏾
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You are really good instructor, the way you explain things you are making it easier for some of us to follow.
Which plane you recommend for us that is easier to do these maneuver?
Thank you
Thank you for the kind words. Really, any aerobatic plane will do the trick. We love Lasers, Extras, Edges, and Yaks.
@@FlightReviewz
Thanks again
Excellent tutorial. Will try it this weekend
So glad you enjoyed it. Let us know how it goes!!
One key memory point that I learned -
-When the plane is upright (moving to step 2 of the 4 point roll) - the rudder direction is always OPPOSITE of the aileron roll direction.
-When the plane is inverted (moving to step 3 of the 4 point roll) - the rudder direction is always THE SAME as the aileron roll direction.
(when flying mode 2 on your transmitter - throttle on the left)
This is another good tool for learning these maneuvers. Thank you for the feedback!!
This is superb. That is exactly what I wanted.
Glad you enjoyed it!! Thank you for the feedback.
Once inverted... any advice on (in Mode 2) the stick movement from down elevator > aileron > centre ? because with the 'artificial' down elevator trim it's not the same as upright to knife-edge. Bigger aircraft may, I suppose, be more forgiving.
Hey Richard. Every plane is going to be a little different. As you get more confident with the basics of the maneuver you can think a little more about this. A lot of time when going from upright you may be holding a little up elevator and not realize it. When this happens, adding the rudder early doesn't affect heading as much as it normally would.
Coming from inverted you will slowly bring the elevator out as you add the rudder for the next point. Think of the plane kind of like a v-tail at these moments. I think our next video in this line may have to be the 8-point roll to help break down these areas. What do you think? I hope this helps.
great lesson and nice video
Thank you sir!!
Nice educational video.. thanks . One question to anyone who can answer please.. so, I have a rudder ailerons mix set up, say I go into knife edge turning left and my ruder is turned right , then into inverted , and then I come out inverted into knife edge turning left again , but my ruder is still turned right due to the mix. How do I get Ruder turn left ?? I hope I explained the question clearly .. thnx again
Thank you for the positive feedback @BC LTD Inc. Your question is a little fuzzy but I think I get the idea.
I think you are referring more to a pre-programmed maneuver like in the old days (snap-roll switch, slow roll switch, etc.). What we are talking about when we discuss a Rudder to Aileron mix is more of something that "trims" out the coupling when a certain input is given. For instance, on a plane that has even the slightest amount of dihedral, when you give right rudder the plane will have a tendency to roll right as well. This is what makes 2-channel (rudder and elevator) aircraft like gliders work. In our aerobatic aircraft, we don't want that roll to present itself. So, in this case, we would add a mix that adds opposite (left) aileron when right rudder is input. This will cause the aircraft to turn flat, or remain in knife edge without further input. On the other end of the travel (left rudder) we would add opposite aileron there as well (right aileron). These mixed inputs would be a small percentage. Usually around 5%.
With the rudder to aileron mix you, the pilot, would still have to give the correct rudder inputs, but the aircraft would present a more precise four-point roll.
We hope this helps. If you have further questions, please let us know. Also, there is a video in our library on setting up the rudder to aileron mix that may add some clarity. Have a great day!!
@@FlightReviewz yes . It did answer my question very well and thank you . I was at the field and realize that despite the mix, additional input from the stick was needed to perform the 4 points turn properly
Thank you
The thing I have the hardest time with is how much my viper wants to turn in when I roll 90° I want to compensate with down elevator but it usually flying away from or into the flight line.
We get that. Are you flying the E-Flite Viper 90mm? If so, we have one in the shop. We may be able to do a follow up video using that plane.
@@FlightReviewz sorry I keep forgetting the F-16 is only nicknamed “viper” it was actually an FMS F-16 I was referring to but I imagine the principle is the same?
@@Arm_Chair_Engineers no worries. It can get a little confusing. Principal is the same. One thing that helped me was to remember to let off any up elevator as I rolled. A lot of times, we are holding back pressure and don't even realize it. We will try to put something together for you in the future.
@@FlightReviewz awesome you guys are the best! Will continue the practice steps here with the F-16 and the Cirrus (which oddly doesn’t do it 🤔 )
Thanks great video.
Thank you, Vincent! Glad you enjoyed it!
wow . nicely explained . keep making moew . loved it .
Thank you, Kanniah. Really glad you enjoyed it!
Or add a good mix in radio
I appreciate you taking time to comment but do not see the correlation to this video. Yes, we recommend a well mixed aircraft (we have other videos on that), but even if you have the perfect mixes setup it won't help you if you can't give the proper inputs for rolling maneuvers.
excellent video... thanks
Thank you!!
Nice video!!
Thank you sir!!
Really super guidance 👍😘
Glad it was helpful! We always appreciate the positive feedback!
@@FlightReviewz 😘
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You're welcome!
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Than you, sir!!
He's good. makes sense too, on recovery, since brain can easily get discombobulated. Damn, buy a Real Flight simulator to practice, AMAZING to teach brain muscle memory!!! Program can cost $99.00 if you can use your own transmuter. PRACTICE inverted flight, high up, since that will make you feel more comfortable when rolling
Thank you for the feedback. A simulator can definitely be a useful tool. We would recommend the same learning process on the sim as well to speed up the learning curve.
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Do not speak so quick, because not only American listening you 🤷♂️
Thank you for the feedback. We will try to slow down a bit in future videos!!