In Norway there was an old teacher who spoke the old old language in his area (Voss, Norway). He could read most parts of the gothic Vulfila bible from around 300 AD (Uppsala museum in Sweden)! he said his old, old language had great similarities of the language on Faroe-Island (Færøyene). Have anyone studied this connections? Thank you for a very interesting lecture"
@@Galician-l5i I might be wrong but I think Bluebird has Faroese lessons? They also have Icelandic and other languages which are less common in language learning apps and programs
Wiktionary is a good source. The priest Anders Hovden (1860-1943) visited Faroe Islands. He held a speech, standing on old church rubble there. He claimed that they could understand each other if they spoke very slowly. The Faroese were enthusiastic about the man who held a speech that they could understand. Hovden knew Ivar Aasen both from the birth place Ørsta, and from Oslo (Kristiania). You could also read books of Aasmund Vinje, or his weekly newspaper Dølen. Garborg was another author who tried to preserve the same old language. His wife Hulda Garborg both received visitors from Faroe Islands, and visited there herself. She found the circle dance interesting, or the færøydans.
Thank you for sharing this. I was watching a video about people on the Gotland island and it struck me their dialect are very similar tho those of western Norway north of Bergen.
Very informative, thank you. It's interesting to see the name "Ermanaricus" and "Airmanareiks"; the very first Suebi king of Portugal was Hermerico/Hermaneric, already a Christianised germanic king but said to have had a direct connection of some sort to the "God King of heavens". This particular passage in the history of this king reminds me of the Rune stele of Sanda 2, Gotland, IX century, depicting Odin with the Goth King Ermaneric, among whose family Odin made trouble, leading to the death of Ermaneric's son. It seems this is a royal name very much used by Germanic kings and the connection with the "divine king" was maintained even after Christianisation.
@@ariloussant THANK YOU! and Hermeric was not the first king of Portugal, but the first king of Gallaecian kingdom (Northern Portugal, Galicia and Asturias at some extent). Who just expanded the kingdom (military) through south and northeast Hispania.
I mean, Germanic people had the same Germanic names. Hermann is still a name in Germany/England nowadays. Similarly, there were also multiple Theuderichs, like the famous Ostrogoth king, a Frankish king and a Lombard king with that name. The name also survives until modern day as “Dietrich”.
The information about Hervathfjoll blows my mind! It's absolutely amazing how much information and history that can be gathered from studying language!
yes definitely need one on the vandals. they're a tribe I've been very interested in for a long time now & want to know more about, & also who their modern day descendants are
Just finished "A History of the Ostrogoths" By Thomas S.Burns so this video is somewhat serendipitous. I find the Goths fascinating as they are so mysterious but managed to wield great power (albeit for a short amount of time). Excellent video as usual, thank you!
7:22 Attila was found dead in his bed a day after his wedding and celebratory party, having choked on his own blood. Intentional poisoning, accidental alcohol poisoning or esophageal hemorrhage, or a burst blood vessel are considered the causes. Attila has suffered nosebleeds repeatedly.
I come from Northern Spain, my family is from a small town with one of the few Visigothic Churches in the country. Also one of my other side of the family comes from an area heavily settled by Visigoths. I am blond and have green eyes, also I'm 6 feet tall (1.85 cm tall). Many confused me with German or Swedish sometimes. In those countries I dont stand out while I do in Spain. So I always though It is highly possible I am descendant of the Goths. BTW, Gothic was spoken in Spain until the 6th or 7th hundred the Visigoths ruled Spain for over 200 years.
Saludos desde California. Mis antepasados godos, Señores de Luarca eran de los dos clanes : los Balto (visigodos), y los Amalo (ostrogodos), y tambien de Faralando De Vere, hijo de Roldan, El mismo que murió cuando Carlo Magno invadió Hispania, destruyó Pamplona, y los vascos le pusiéron el precio a sus peras. Vease: la Chanson de Roland.
I did hear that some anglo-saxons went into exile after 1066 and to work for the Byzantines...they settled in the crimea too. Interesting that they may have met Goths.....norseman had also joined the Byzantine Emperor's bodyguard know as Varangians...most notable being Harald Hardrada and Rurik
Thanks so much for making all your videos Dr Crawford. I had Myths of the Norsemen as a kid and loved it. As an adult I am loving finding out more about the source material 😁 From a fan in Queensland, Australia.
I never thank as much as i should.. Out of all my subscriptions you deserve the most mention. You have got me through some tough times...thank you Jackson Crawford...Skkal.
“Half of Mirkwood,” etc., etc. Goodness, this fellow was extremely greedy. Angantyr made a pretty generous offer to his half-brother (if it was a genuine offer). It seems as if JRRTolkien may have used the story of Hervor as a part of his inspiration for Eowyn (although there many differences). This story is very interesting.
It's interesting how Hervor is treated as any other Gothic warrior and the fact she's a woman only comes up in that she's refered as "sister" and it's mentioned she was never fond of entertaining suitors.
I can definitely see the Goths, as a Germanic horse people, being one of the major inspirations for the Rohirrim. I also noticed the similarity between Hervor and Eowyn.
Entiendo lo que sientes, pero me temo que los godos a los que se refiere están diluidos en lo que hoy somos los españoles e italianos. Un saludo "primo"😊
I believe there are many people that derive from goths. Particularly from this story that comes from King Ermanaric who was of the Amali dynasty. He would eventually have descendants that would become Turkish, Roman, Byzantine and probably Spanish royalty. Manric, Manrico, Manrique etc. all exist today. Rickman, Broderick, and many others come from obviously Gothic descent but its never recognized, especially in the Latin countries. Great vid.
Is it possible that some Goths returned to Scandinavia and brought with them stories of the Gothic kingdoms and their wars with the Huns? What about the song of the Nibelungs , is it a remnant of the Goths who lived in Germany?
This may be a silly question but... I come from Croatia and on our language we say Hrvati for our people and Hervath-fjoll sounds kind of like Hrvat/Horvat plus it is said we came from area of Carpathians. Do you think it's just a coincidence in similarity or? In Heiđrek saga there is a line that says that Arngrímr and Eyfuru had couple of sons: Angantýr, annarr Hjörvarðr, þriði Hervarðr, fjórði Hrani ok Haddingjar... So Hjörvarðr and Hervarðr are again very similar to Horvat, Hervat... In Widsith poem Goths are written as Hraeda "þonne Hræda here heardum sweordum" do you maybe have some knowledge on this? I heard about these poems very recently and was surprised by similarity
Leon Kennedy I was thinking the same thing. The Croats appeared in Croatia around the 630’s, either moved there at the will of the Avars or against their will. Either way, old “white” Croatia is said to have stretched along the North side of the Carpathians in what is today Southern Poland and Ukraine, possibly into Slovakia. There are still place names in Slovakia that refer to towns inhabited by Croats I believe, although those could be from more recent movements by small groups of people during the Austrian Empire or Kdm. Of Hungary.
@@JM-nm3bg I also checked some sources and they say King Heidrek dies in the Horvatya (White Croatia) (er Heiðrekr var veginn und Harvaða fjöllum) and the Battle with the Huns takes place on the plains of the Danube (...á vígvöll á Dúnheiði í Dylgjudölum) I find that fascinating
Chorvátsky Grob at least, is one of the more recent Croatian settlements in what is now Slovakia. They moved there while fleeing the Ottomans in the 16th century. But I'm not sure if this also holds true to for instance Chorváty in the Košice region.
Sta mislis da li koreni reci srbin i hrvat imaju isto poreklo SRB, HRV. Na drugom slovu imamo R, a S>H i B>V su suglasnici koji se cesto zamenjuju glasovnim promenama? Pozdrav
@@josoece3483 Trenutno ne bi znao, moguće je možda s obzirom na grimmov zakon da se drugačije izgovaralo s obzirom tko je izgovarao, ali ne mogu tvrditi 100%, trebao bi još to istražiti. Ono što vidim jest da je u starom nordijskom bilo uobičajeno HRV zajedno izgovarati ili HARV/ HERV/HJORV ili saksonski HRAEDA.
Huns were probably a confederation of nomadic tribes but not only Turkic tribes. Because for instance ancestor of Hungarians (uralic magyar tribes) were also a part of Huns. So i think they were shamanist and nomadic people from the steppes of west Asia and probably most of them were Turkic
Probably most were not Turks as Turks didn’t make an impact on anything till the Arab migration. They were definitely Scythians and Danaan’s posted in Alexander Batria. Danaans being the mythical origins of Scandinavians. A 3 route network connected West and East in the Hellenistic world 400BC… and its neighboring areas. On the northern one goods were transported via Bactria, then along the Oxus to the Aral Sea, and from there further to the Black Sea. This is where the Goths, Huns, celts, Scythian, and Sarmatians alll traded along with the Mediterranean.
This brings me back to when I read Þiðríks Saga af Bern in Old Norse for an undergrad class! It's all about Theodoric the Great, who ruled the Ostrogothic Kingdom in Italy. In the end he battles Attila the hun in a climactic battle, where he finally reveals to the main antagonist that he is the son of satan and that he has had fire-breathing powers all along, even though he never used them when he and his men were in mortal danger in the previous adventures. He then scorches him and lives happily ever after. Yeah those sagas are random.
The sagas have their interesting mythic aspects, but Theodorico Amalo king of Rome and of both Goth ruling clans (and by choice not emperor) died fighting Atila in the Catalaunian Fields from a spike which struck him in the chest, and his body trampled by horses.
Huh, in the German legends it’s the other way around, Dietrich von Bern flees to Attila’s court in Hungary after losing his kingdom to Ermenrich. He then goes on to defend Attila against the Burgundians.
interesting that the story of Hervor and Angantyr et al has the Carpathian side to it.... I've long had in mind doing The Waking of Angantyr, as Hervorarkviða was one translation I read, as a chamber opera and/or film. Also the Volsung story, focussed on Guðrun, climaxing/ending with Hamðismal and the Guðrunarvhot. The Carpathians connection really opens up the musical possibilities. I wouldn't be so sure about Jordanes claiming things about descent from Troy or an Egyptian Pharaoh who was a Goth..... I just watched a very interesting piece on re-analysis and re-darting of Exodus, and it had in it the connections between the Hyksos and not just Minoan Crete but also the provenance of the great graves at Mycenae. It all "fit" and I mean scientifically/rationally..sorry don't have the link handy. Noting that, surely the Goths had interactions with the Thracians - including in the time of Burebista - so it's not so hard to image Gothic-Thracian union and offspring such that a Thracian family claiming descent from Troy existed, or that Jordanes had seen the logic in that. And who was it that Alexander skirmished with north of the Danube, anyway?? A Goth who found his way to Egypt in the time period in question (Hellenistic/Ptolemaic period) is not all that improbable and again, in-marriage could have played a part. And re Sigurdr being described as a Hun, being a Hun wasn't necessarily ethnic... the Hunnic "Empire" was more of a confederation and once in Europe it included the Germanic tribes within its territories, many of whom became allies. Otto Maenchen-Hilfen in his History of the Hunnic Peoples uses on the Eddic lays' descriptions to pin-point a crucial battle- site in Pannonia.. at Tisza I think it was.
Hello... This reply is a little late and I don't know if you're still around... You bring up some very good points but some of them require a bit of clarification, if you don't mind... ;) "I wouldn't be so sure about Jordanes claiming things about descent from Troy or an Egyptian Pharaoh who was a Goth....." In this case Jordanes is referring to "Tanaussis" a Getic King who defeated the Egyptians. Tanaussis did not enter Egypt... He says that the "Parthians" or deserters from the Getic/Gothic army are the ones who entered Egypt while the main body of the Getic army probably returned home. There may be a Hyksos connection to all of this. "Noting that, surely the Goths had interactions with the Thracians - including in the time of Burebista - so it's not so hard to image Gothic-Thracian union and offspring such that a Thracian family claiming descent from Troy existed, or that Jordanes had seen the logic in that." In the "Eddas" by Snorri Sturluson Thor is supposedly a prince of Troy who migrated into Thrace from "Turkey" and moved further to the North. There is a good case to be made that the Getae were Goths and not Thracians. Herodotus seems to be the first to equate Thracians with Getae due to the fact that there were "Gets" who lived south of the Danube close to or within Thrace itself. He reasoned that both populations were one and the same despite not having direct contact with them or enough reasonable experience to make that connection.
I believe I have information on where the descendants of the Eastern Goths now live. According to Big Y, they live in the northern part of the Russian republic of Bashkortostan and neighboring regions. If we take into account that Great Bulgaria was founded by yesterday's Huns, then we can connect the Goths to the Urals through the resettlement of the Volga Bulgarians to the Volga.
Are you familiar with Lotte Hedeager's work on the Hunnic connection with Norse culture? She posits in her work "Iron Age Myth and Materiality" that Huns may briefly have gone in to much of Scandinavia, left a big imprint on the Scandinavian culture thence, especially religiously, but also to the point that many of the old Scandinavian dynasties famous in the Vking Age, were originally of Hunnic extraction, if I remember correctly (I only read it once for a seminar so I did not have opportunity to really deep dive). She posits that Odin, all though the name of ancient deity, was really supplanted by an Ancestor-God-King figure, based on Attila the Hun, which is why Odin (or indeed also Attila the Hun in her case) is counted as the ancestor of so many Germanic dynasties, not just in Scandinavia (the Franks being one of the few exceptions). It is a fascinating work, combining archaeology, anthropology, history and linguistics, interwoven with each other, and I am certainly not doing it justice here. She talks about how to gleam knowledge from Jordanes and similar texts correctly, for example. Though I am unable to judge truly judge her thesis. We had to read it as a part of an advanced undergraduate course in archaeology here in Sweden, yet despite being constantly talked about and referenced, even by other course literature, few seem to really buy her theories fully? People seemed to mention her work as an addendum to a larger explanation, like: "And then we have this interesting idea Hedeager posits." But rarely was it an idea taught as "canon".
Mirkwood is obviously "Black forest" ("Čërnyi lis" in Ukrainian) - a forest zone (which separates it from the Black Sea steppes) in Cherkasy and Kirovograd oblasts (regions) in Ukraine (along right bank of the Dnieper river). The Ostrogorhic settlements (according to typically Germanic archaelogical sites in multiethnic Cherniakhiv arch.culture) were concentrated in the lower Dnieper on its right bank between modern Dnipro and Kherson cities in Ukraine. The greatest East Gothic settlement (polis) was found on the high Dnieper bank hill near modern Bashmachka village, Dnipro oblast, Ukraine. Many historicians consider it to be Arheimar or Danparstadir - ancient Gothic capital....
I am absolutely fascinated with the Huns because how little we know about them - their language, religion, society - today despite the Huns fighting the Western Roman Empire to a standstill. All we have is guesswork based on testimony from their hated enemies namely the Chinese, Goths, Romans etc. I used to think modern Hungarians were descended from Huns, but apparently even that is disputed now?
Dr. Crawford, I've always been curious, is this your property you always film on or are these places I can hike to? I'm new to the Denver area and Im always looking for abandoned buildings or nice overlooks to visit that aren't traveled to often by other people.
Interesting to see the phrase: "þat mun/man æ uppi" in that last stanza, as it can also be found in Völuspá when the dwarves are being recounted. What I don't understand is what 'uppi' is doing there, maybe onward? þat, that. man, remember. æ, forever. uppi, up, onward?
I really enjoyed your translations of the poetic edda and the volsungs saga, and I'm looking forward to the next ones. I was wondering: Have you thought about doing a translation of the Flateyjarbók?
I've really been enjoying these videos. Thanks for clarifying the possible connection between Tyrfingr and Thervingi. I was thinking Tyrfingr could mean Tyr's finger. Like Hand of God, and being a weapon, the God of war's hand. A powerful weapon that would harness Tyr's judgement. Which sounds really cool, but is just a product of my imagination I guess lol
@@john.premose Hard to know what every community throughout the many years thought. But I do agree that we should be careful to not to make assumptions as we try to explain history. Especially since as we try to relate to them we do so with our modern biases about religion and myth. As the Christians of old would have likely done as well, and are responsible for much of the info we have. Whether literary fantasy, perhaps with lessons baked in, or religion, "God" is certainly an English word and approximation. And I'm not too troubled by whether it's fiction or not, just brainstorming what certain words and certain authors meant.
Got to wonder who got it from whom. I imagine the Gothic term comes from Turkic, but it'd be cool if Turkic people everywhere retained a word they borrowed from their kin when the Huns invaded Europe.
Are the Goths related at all to the Göta of Sweden? Much, much later obviously, but is it possible they remained in Scandinavia when the ancient Goth's migrated South?
Very likely they are. Goths are known to have migrated towards the Black Sea from an initial settlement hugging the Baltic sea, directly south of Scandinavia, it was called Gothiscandza. The guy in this vid says Jordanes isn't a particularly reliable source, but frankly he is most of what we can base our Goth-history on, since he was himself a Goth and knew the oral retellings the Goths passed down among their people.
All the Goths migrated to Poland when the resources in Scandinavia could not sustain the local growing population. So most of the goths actually left and settled in Poland, later moved south to Crimea, and then entered the Eastern Roman Empire, sacked rome and were given the land of Aquitania, in West France. Then they were driven out by the Franks and then settled in Spain. As many as 200 000 visigoths (for a total Spanish population of 4 million at the time) settled in the country. They made 5% of the population. So very littled Goths may have remained in Scandinavia. Ironically the descendants of the Goths live today in what is today Spain.
Probably originally not a tribe, but a word for gjuta (to pour, cast, ejaculate) ie a "male/breeder" today found in Norwegian "gutt", värmländska "gut", gotländska "gute", västgöte, östgöte osv.
I've heard about the possible connection between Geats (Götar in Swedish), Gutes (Gutar in Swedish) and Goths, but I've been wondering about a possible connection to the Jutes (Jutar in Swedish) of eastern Denmark as well. The name of the group Jutar seems to be cognate with Götar and Gutar. While Gutar is pronounced with a hard G, all the others are pronounced with a Ya/Ja-sound. To this day there is regions in Sweden, which names relate to the Götar/Gutar etc. We have Götaland (Land of the Götar), Gotland (land of the Gutar), and in Denmark there is Jylland (Jutland, which is the land of Jutar/Jutes).
I'm curious on the entire subject since I was told through before my time genealogy my Irish side has Visigothic ties or partial origins, as ConRi's. It's translated some different ways by some but it means 'Hound-King' and raising Irish Wolfhounds is still a thing they do in Galway. My only inclination has settled around the Houndings and Wulfings. Some say such peoples (particularly in my wider clan's case, as pirate/smuggler/fishermen) have been in trade contact forever on the north sea, and I've noticed some loaned or shared words, like Tyr means King's Land in Irish, and Erc (Eric) is 'weregild' in Ireland. Plus Lugaid lost his hand to CuChullain and the same or a different Lugaid married a 'swan princess' from Scandinavia, in legend. I find it telling even in those days, as I've read, Cu Roi survived and fled the famous siege by Caesar of the Parisi and co., and CuChullain's wayward son lamented how together they could have conquered Rome - showing the ambition even of otherwise unheard of, relatively isolated people.. save for this dynamic they had no qualms traveling across Britain the same way in Cu Roi's case, they scaled the Alps. I also wonder about the relations between Vandals, Vendel period Sweden and Vends|Wends / Vendel as Slavic neighbors. And a lesser extent Alans, mainly because I understand Van or Von is 'son of' in Germanic tongues, to each their own respectively. Helped by the existence of names like Van Allen. Have heard the same as what you have, with the added point the island Gotland was actually divided between all three groups before they branched out, and Geat referred to one group by location and Gutar/Gotar and Jutes each other. Pardon I can't recall who had which half or the middle. Though the Swedes seem to branch eastward in general and the Danes/Jutes westward.
@@jairoukagiri2488 It is often said that Swedish Vikings went east, and Norwegian and Danish Vikings raided in the western Europe. That is probably mostly true. Especially vikings on the east coast of Sweden, crossed the Baltic Sea to Finland, Sankt Petersburg in Russia, and the Baltic countries (Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia).. However, we do have a west coast in Sweden, and it doesn't make much sense that they went eastwards, since they would have to have dailed round the southern part of Sweden to get into the Baltic Sea. It makes more sense that they went west with the Norwegians and the Danes. I also have ancestry from a part further up north in Sweden (Hackås parish), and they had much trade with the Norwegians in Trondheim, which is a city founded by vikings. I have done DNA test, for genealogical purposes, and from my family branch from Hackås, I have many Norwegian DNA matches. I uploaded my DNA results to MyTrueAncestry (MTA), and I seem to share DNA with lots of the vikings that settled Iceland and also some gf the vikings that went all the way to Greenland. I know that I shall take the results from MTA with a pinch of salt. For example I match some of the people that were on Raven-Floki's expedition to Iceland, and also some of the vikings that made the Brathalid settlement on Greenland. I have much ancestry from the western part of Sweden, so it makes sense that I have DNA matches with the people that went west. Almost all my ancient matches there are vikings, lombards, , saxons, visigoths and ostrogoths, and also some people from the Vendel era. My results from FTDNA and other DNA testing sites report that I'm more or less 100% Scandinavian. I know that I have one branch from Bohemia though, from around 200 years ago, so I do have some matches in Czechia and parts of Germany as well.
@@thePyiott I don't think that Jotunheimen is related to götar and jutar, but I could be wrong. Jotunheimen is old norse for Giant's home. The Jotun were the giants from the old Norse mythology. I don't think that götar and jutar has anything to do with giants, but again I could be wrong. Sweden, Norway and Denmark have lots of other things in common though. And I absolutely love Norway. Many years ago I went by train from Sweden to Bergen via Oslo, and it was spectacular to see glaciers that far south in August. While he have some high mountains (fjäll) in Sweden too, they are nothing compared to the mountains in Norway, and we definitely don't have any glaciers that far south in Sweden. We do have some mountains (ski resorts) in Dalarna, those mountains are not even half as high as those in Norway. To find higher mountains in Sweden, you have to go much further north. The fjords in Norway are also spectacular. I want to go on Hurtigruten some day.
@@dannestrom Germanic people were a bit taller than their neighbors at the time. The myths about the Jotun could be stories early goths told other tribes about themselves. Just some wild speculation
It is really weird that the word ATA means dad in all Turkic languages, and somehow in Gothic too! words for Mother and father are very similar in unrelated languages
During WWI and WWII, the Allies sometimes referred to the Germans as "Huns". That finds its roots in a speech sometime before WWI (1900, in fact) by the Kaiser, who encouraged German soldiers to be brave like Huns. The question is, why would he ask them to be like history's bad guys? And I think the answer is, the Huns aren't seen that way by everyone. To those of us who trace our cultural heritage to Roman parts of Europe, the tradition is that Huns were evil, and Attila was the Scourge Of God: Rome was civilization, and the Huns were despoilers of civilization. But to those whose cultural heritage was of rejecting Rome -- for example, the Germans -- Attila was not necessarily a monster. That is, at least, my best guess at what's going on.
but in the nibelungen lied the Huns are te bads and the Burgundians the goods !! not all the german tribs were allied with Attila against Aetius !! when they finally met in battle in 452 AD the both had germans in their armies ! but you could be right about this idea of being pro -Rome or against-Rome , i just add that germans were divided on which side to pick up .( pro rome : Burgundians, Franks , Wisigoths /anti -rome : Gepides and Ostrogoths for the most important). And in the mind of the kaiser Willhelm it was probably more a metaphore to mesmerize his troops against the French/Franks who fought for Rome so his germany had to be the one of Arminius/ Herman and Attila.
True, there were Germanic people who were relatively well-disposed to Rome. But Germany, as opposed to Germanic peoples, was across the Rhine from the Roman Empire. It is sort of a traditional boundary between Germany and Rome. (Not that Germany was a nation until pretty recently, but the Rhine was certainly where Rome stopped.)
a geographer told me one day to compare maps of the roman empire(antiquity) and of the repartition of catholicism and protestantism (16th century to novadays) : and it works rhenany and bavaria , Austria are catholics while saxony and pomerania are protestants , history has strong powers over peoples , on how they see themselves ...Anglosaxons are protestants , Irish catholics( even if Rome never attaked them - but the English did).
There's some debate as to whether the Church of England is strictly "Protestant"; personally I hold that it's not, because the CoE didn't come about because of corrupt Catholic practices, but rather because Henry VIII wanted a divorce. Up to that point, Hank^8 was a defender of the Pope against Protestant forces. So The CoE may not be Roman Catholic but they're not Protestant either; they're a third category, or that's how I see it anyway.
Some of all the new gene results from old archeological digs around Europe can probably give some answers about who was where when. Personally I am especially looking forward to what it gonna show about the Völkerwanderung where the Huns and Goths play a big role. And lot of specially Scandinavian people gets its first role on the world scene at this time. Great times ahead.
Wonder which side got the word from whom. Clearly Turkish and Gothic have some words in common because of the Huns, and one of the languages got the word from the other.
The Germanic peoples are a branch race of the Scythians who's people migrated everywhere creating other branch races. Some to India, Into the middle east some to greece almost everywhere. Its quite possible that they are related to Iliadic figures its a stretch but not unfeasible people were not as static in ancient history as you would think. Achilles was said to be a blonde according to Homer as was Alexander the great a trait that comes from the caucus mountains the homeland of the Scythians.
5.52, Attila's name is Gothic Norse, Attila's male ancestral line is Gothic rising up through the Hunnic ranks after being defeated by them before he was born (joining of the Goth and Hun). Strong evidence Attila has a Gothic Nordic blood line ruling the Hun as King of the Huns. Theodoric the Great kills Odoacer whose father (Ediko) betrayed Attila by collaborating with the Byzantines to poison Attila with Ildico. Ostrogoths then rule Italy, that's what Attila would have wanted. Huns were not powerful enough to rule Italy, if they were then why do the Goths inherit Europe and not the Hun?
Firstly I love Norse Mythology and very apreciated this channel and narration of Jackson Crawford as he always says that Norse Mythology deserves not to be in ivory tower :). Anyway i want to tell about where Attila name may come from. It is said that Atilla or Attila may be seperated as -Atıl, -Itil that comes from "Volga River" that it is "Itıl" in turkish and -illa means "from that place" in turkish. Then Atilla may mean "from Volga" and Ata is also mean father and ancestor in turkish so it may come from turkish language. Atilla is common name in turkey. I know that because i'm from turkey.
What’s the correct way to pronounce “Attila”: as “AT-till-uh” or as “AHT-till-ah” or as “uh-TILL-uh”? The third one is the way you’re saying it throughout this video, but he spelling & its known cognates (also presented by you) appear to support one of the first two instead. I was watching this one with my husband, as usual, and we’d really like to know.
Do y’all think that some of the Galatians from Gaul (mentioned in the Bible) are maybe a Gothic heritage? Perhaps even Ostrogoth? Btw I enjoyed your reading of the poem as it is probably ten years since I first read the Volsunga Saga
There was a lot of trade going on between Etruria and early iron age cultures in the Baltic region ,as evidenced by finds of amber in Etruria and etruscan pottery in Pomerania ...I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote each other business letters .
I heard there's a theory that at least some of the Huns may have spoken a Yeniseian language - a small language family with only one surviving member (Ket) spoken in western Siberia which has recently been theorized to be related to the Na-Dene family spoken in the Pacific Northwest - Tlingit, Eyak, and the Athabascan languages (which include Navajo and Apache)
@@cinsifrit9860 It's a theory.. with more specific details in hard to follow terms than any BS artist bothers with. It's also provable at least the NW Natives are indeed descended from basically Kazakhstan region today. Whether they crossed by land bridge, or skin boat. You want a mind blower, check out the Peruvians with Japanese sickle-cell anemia.
Did contact with greek or Roman gods influence Norse peoples at all? If the druids could write ancient greek then maybe the Norse also had contact with the mediterraneans.
Hey i've seen the aesirian code of nine being tossed around the internet and im trying to find the exact origins of it but still read general things that dont name exact manuscripts or whatever discovered by who exactly. Do you know exactly from what ancient physical source this comes from?
It's just made up. Partly it is Japanese. It's just a way to make asatru like Christianity with ten commandments. It's wrong, it's cultural appropriation. Read Havamal instead.
@@lindaliljecrona4404 Seems like fetishism for a fantasy version of Heathen Norse warriors and Bushido warriors. Both have presence enough in pop culture to be perverted like this.
Was it correct when he states Germanic presence in the Carpathians in 500BC, or was that just an error and 500AD was meant? I'm not being unnecessarily pedantic, I'm just mind-blown by the fact if it is 500BC, didn't think there was evidence of Germanic peoples that far back.
the 500 bc comes from the theorized time of the indo-european woudn change which was aroudn that era. so germanic speaking peoples very well could be wandering around there and left for the north and come back again. just speculations
He said Germanic, but it could very well just be a error on his side. He said Germanic but probably meant pre-Germanic tribes that spoke Pre-Germanic, which then turned to Proto-Germanic with grimms law.
I wondered about that too. It it is not perhaps a loan from hunnic if hunnic was a turcic language. Cant remember any modern germanic language having a similar word for dad buti am not a scolar.
you never mention Theoderik king of ostrogoths and his tumb in Ravenna, why? after all they are still living inside of us mixed with other tribes but still our ancenstors
He's gone full goth with the black and white XD
I think its called Cowgoth, everyone dresses in black and listens to songs about murder and basically anything Johnny Cash.
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In Norway there was an old teacher who spoke the old old language in his area (Voss, Norway). He could read most parts of the gothic Vulfila bible from around 300 AD (Uppsala museum in Sweden)! he said his old, old language had great similarities of the language on Faroe-Island (Færøyene). Have anyone studied this connections? Thank you for a very interesting lecture"
Where I can find more information about Faroe-Island words or vocabulary?
Both originates from Scandinavia.
@@Galician-l5i I might be wrong but I think Bluebird has Faroese lessons? They also have Icelandic and other languages which are less common in language learning apps and programs
Wiktionary is a good source. The priest Anders Hovden (1860-1943) visited Faroe Islands. He held a speech, standing on old church rubble there. He claimed that they could understand each other if they spoke very slowly. The Faroese were enthusiastic about the man who held a speech that they could understand. Hovden knew Ivar Aasen both from the birth place Ørsta, and from Oslo (Kristiania). You could also read books of Aasmund Vinje, or his weekly newspaper Dølen. Garborg was another author who tried to preserve the same old language. His wife Hulda Garborg both received visitors from Faroe Islands, and visited there herself. She found the circle dance interesting, or the færøydans.
Thank you for sharing this. I was watching a video about people on the Gotland island and it struck me their dialect are very similar tho those of western Norway north of Bergen.
This is one of my favorite videos. The relationship between the Goths and Huns is absolutely fascinating to me.
Friends one season, and enemies the next.
Thanks for this video Dr. Crawford. Very enlightening.
Very informative, thank you. It's interesting to see the name "Ermanaricus" and "Airmanareiks"; the very first Suebi king of Portugal was Hermerico/Hermaneric, already a Christianised germanic king but said to have had a direct connection of some sort to the "God King of heavens". This particular passage in the history of this king reminds me of the Rune stele of Sanda 2, Gotland, IX century, depicting Odin with the Goth King Ermaneric, among whose family Odin made trouble, leading to the death of Ermaneric's son. It seems this is a royal name very much used by Germanic kings and the connection with the "divine king" was maintained even after Christianisation.
@@ariloussant THANK YOU! and Hermeric was not the first king of Portugal, but the first king of Gallaecian kingdom (Northern Portugal, Galicia and Asturias at some extent). Who just expanded the kingdom (military) through south and northeast Hispania.
Ric/reik is the Germanic version of Celtic Rix, latin rex, sanskrit Raj etc. Deratives Today found both in english noun rich and German Reich.
I mean, Germanic people had the same Germanic names.
Hermann is still a name in Germany/England nowadays.
Similarly, there were also multiple Theuderichs, like the famous Ostrogoth king, a Frankish king and a Lombard king with that name. The name also survives until modern day as “Dietrich”.
The information about Hervathfjoll blows my mind! It's absolutely amazing how much information and history that can be gathered from studying language!
Now, having covered the Goths, it'd be interesting if the Vandals were mentioned, too.
yes definitely need one on the vandals. they're a tribe I've been very interested in for a long time now & want to know more about, & also who their modern day descendants are
If they are, the should be known as:
Vandill - Old Norse
Wendlas - Old English
Just finished "A History of the Ostrogoths" By Thomas S.Burns so this video is somewhat serendipitous. I find the Goths fascinating as they are so mysterious but managed to wield great power (albeit for a short amount of time). Excellent video as usual, thank you!
Interesting - we use the term “Gothic” fairly often, but we know relatively little about the actual Goths.
Yeah. Put on some eyeliner and some black boots and some skull ring and voila! Goth! my arse
@@sameash3153 yet truthful and yet "tunguníð sorðinn ragr "
Your translation is _STUNNINGLY_ beautiful
We are Gifted by your work. 💘
7:22 Attila was found dead in his bed a day after his wedding and celebratory party, having choked on his own blood. Intentional poisoning, accidental alcohol poisoning or esophageal hemorrhage, or a burst blood vessel are considered the causes. Attila has suffered nosebleeds repeatedly.
After a few years of watching your videos. This is still one of my favorites.
Crazy again how they mention the horse from the holy woods, as this is also mentioned in Germania by Tacitus in chapter 10.
THIS WAS LITERALLY EPIC and it was in fact literal epic.
I come from Northern Spain, my family is from a small town with one of the few Visigothic Churches in the country. Also one of my other side of the family comes from an area heavily settled by Visigoths. I am blond and have green eyes, also I'm 6 feet tall (1.85 cm tall). Many confused me with German or Swedish sometimes. In those countries I dont stand out while I do in Spain. So I always though It is highly possible I am descendant of the Goths.
BTW, Gothic was spoken in Spain until the 6th or 7th hundred the Visigoths ruled Spain for over 200 years.
The fall of al-Andalus is so sad
Saludos desde California. Mis antepasados godos, Señores de Luarca eran de los dos clanes : los Balto (visigodos), y los Amalo (ostrogodos), y tambien de Faralando De Vere, hijo de Roldan, El mismo que murió cuando Carlo Magno invadió Hispania, destruyó Pamplona, y los vascos le pusiéron el precio a sus peras. Vease: la Chanson de Roland.
I did hear that some anglo-saxons went into exile after 1066 and to work for the Byzantines...they settled in the crimea too. Interesting that they may have met Goths.....norseman had also joined the Byzantine Emperor's bodyguard know as Varangians...most notable being Harald Hardrada and Rurik
Thanks so much for making all your videos Dr Crawford. I had Myths of the Norsemen as a kid and loved it. As an adult I am loving finding out more about the source material 😁 From a fan in Queensland, Australia.
I never thank as much as i should.. Out of all my subscriptions you deserve the most mention.
You have got me through some tough times...thank you Jackson Crawford...Skkal.
Hi ! What is the meaning of skkal
“Half of Mirkwood,” etc., etc.
Goodness, this fellow was extremely greedy.
Angantyr made a pretty generous offer to his half-brother (if it was a genuine offer).
It seems as if JRRTolkien may have used the story of Hervor as a part of his inspiration for Eowyn (although there many differences).
This story is very interesting.
It's interesting how Hervor is treated as any other Gothic warrior and the fact she's a woman only comes up in that she's refered as "sister" and it's mentioned she was never fond of entertaining suitors.
Hervor is a badass character and she definitely reminded me of Eowyn!
I can definitely see the Goths, as a Germanic horse people, being one of the major inspirations for the Rohirrim. I also noticed the similarity between Hervor and Eowyn.
tulkian was an expert of old norse and english much of the sagas and his language construction borows directly making it a curiosity in itself x
Love your videos man, it´s nice to learn about my people´s history. Greetings from Västergötland!
Entiendo lo que sientes, pero me temo que los godos a los que se refiere están diluidos en lo que hoy somos los españoles e italianos. Un saludo "primo"😊
I believe there are many people that derive from goths. Particularly from this story that comes from King Ermanaric who was of the Amali dynasty. He would eventually have descendants that would become Turkish, Roman, Byzantine and probably Spanish royalty. Manric, Manrico, Manrique etc. all exist today. Rickman, Broderick, and many others come from obviously Gothic descent but its never recognized, especially in the Latin countries. Great vid.
Very interesting!
A request: A video about the Rök Runestone (Ög 136).
Much thanks sir. These videos have been such a great resource in my own quest for knowledge.
Is it possible that some Goths returned to Scandinavia and brought with them stories of the Gothic kingdoms and their wars with the Huns?
What about the song of the Nibelungs , is it a remnant of the Goths who lived in Germany?
so Attila is "Papito" ?
Well, this is during the Irony Age, or so I've read. I mean, it's like calling your Head Torturer "Bubbles", or your executioner "Hedley Lamarr".
This may be a silly question but... I come from Croatia and on our language we say Hrvati for our people and Hervath-fjoll sounds kind of like Hrvat/Horvat plus it is said we came from area of Carpathians. Do you think it's just a coincidence in similarity or? In Heiđrek saga there is a line that says that Arngrímr and Eyfuru had couple of sons: Angantýr, annarr Hjörvarðr, þriði Hervarðr, fjórði Hrani ok Haddingjar... So Hjörvarðr and Hervarðr are again very similar to Horvat, Hervat... In Widsith poem Goths are written as Hraeda "þonne Hræda here heardum sweordum" do you maybe have some knowledge on this? I heard about these poems very recently and was surprised by similarity
Leon Kennedy I was thinking the same thing. The Croats appeared in Croatia around the 630’s, either moved there at the will of the Avars or against their will. Either way, old “white” Croatia is said to have stretched along the North side of the Carpathians in what is today Southern Poland and Ukraine, possibly into Slovakia. There are still place names in Slovakia that refer to towns inhabited by Croats I believe, although those could be from more recent movements by small groups of people during the Austrian Empire or Kdm. Of Hungary.
@@JM-nm3bg I also checked some sources and they say King Heidrek dies in the Horvatya (White Croatia) (er Heiðrekr var veginn
und Harvaða fjöllum) and the Battle with the Huns takes place on the plains of the Danube (...á vígvöll á Dúnheiði í Dylgjudölum) I find that fascinating
Chorvátsky Grob at least, is one of the more recent Croatian settlements in what is now Slovakia. They moved there while fleeing the Ottomans in the 16th century. But I'm not sure if this also holds true to for instance Chorváty in the Košice region.
Sta mislis da li koreni reci srbin i hrvat imaju isto poreklo SRB, HRV. Na drugom slovu imamo R, a S>H i B>V su suglasnici koji se cesto zamenjuju glasovnim promenama? Pozdrav
@@josoece3483 Trenutno ne bi znao, moguće je možda s obzirom na grimmov zakon da se drugačije izgovaralo s obzirom tko je izgovarao, ali ne mogu tvrditi 100%, trebao bi još to istražiti. Ono što vidim jest da je u starom nordijskom bilo uobičajeno HRV zajedno izgovarati ili HARV/ HERV/HJORV ili saksonski HRAEDA.
Had this one sitting around for months, it was finally time to watch after having read Hervor and Heiðrek.
Thank you, Doctor. Loved the "Ivory Tower" part :)
Isn't "Ata" a Turkic word? It means father or forefather depending on the usage in almost all Turkic languages.
Huns were probably a confederation of nomadic tribes but not only Turkic tribes. Because for instance ancestor of Hungarians (uralic magyar tribes) were also a part of Huns. So i think they were shamanist and nomadic people from the steppes of west Asia and probably most of them were Turkic
Probably most were not Turks as Turks didn’t make an impact on anything till the Arab migration. They were definitely Scythians and Danaan’s posted in Alexander Batria. Danaans being the mythical origins of Scandinavians. A 3 route network connected West and East in the Hellenistic world 400BC… and its neighboring areas.
On the northern one goods were transported via Bactria, then along the Oxus to the Aral Sea, and from there further to the Black Sea. This is where the Goths, Huns, celts, Scythian, and Sarmatians alll traded along with the Mediterranean.
This was awesome, I loved listening to that story. Thank you for making this video
This brings me back to when I read Þiðríks Saga af Bern in Old Norse for an undergrad class! It's all about Theodoric the Great, who ruled the Ostrogothic Kingdom in Italy. In the end he battles Attila the hun in a climactic battle, where he finally reveals to the main antagonist that he is the son of satan and that he has had fire-breathing powers all along, even though he never used them when he and his men were in mortal danger in the previous adventures. He then scorches him and lives happily ever after. Yeah those sagas are random.
The sagas have their interesting mythic aspects, but Theodorico Amalo king of Rome and of both Goth ruling clans (and by choice not emperor) died fighting Atila in the Catalaunian Fields from a spike which struck him in the chest, and his body trampled by horses.
Huh, in the German legends it’s the other way around, Dietrich von Bern flees to Attila’s court in Hungary after losing his kingdom to Ermenrich. He then goes on to defend Attila against the Burgundians.
"King Ermanaric who was of the Amali dynasty". In Lithuania, there are at least two villages "Amaliai" standing on small rivers "Amalė".
interesting that the story of Hervor and Angantyr et al has the Carpathian side to it....
I've long had in mind doing The Waking of Angantyr, as Hervorarkviða was one translation I read, as a chamber opera and/or film.
Also the Volsung story, focussed on Guðrun, climaxing/ending with Hamðismal and the Guðrunarvhot.
The Carpathians connection really opens up the musical possibilities.
I wouldn't be so sure about Jordanes claiming things about descent from Troy or an Egyptian Pharaoh who was a Goth..... I just watched a very interesting piece on re-analysis and re-darting of Exodus, and it had in it the connections between the Hyksos and not just Minoan Crete but also the provenance of the great graves at Mycenae. It all "fit" and I mean scientifically/rationally..sorry don't have the link handy.
Noting that, surely the Goths had interactions with the Thracians - including in the time of Burebista - so it's not so hard to image Gothic-Thracian union and offspring such that a Thracian family claiming descent from Troy existed, or that Jordanes had seen the logic in that. And who was it that Alexander skirmished with north of the Danube, anyway?? A Goth who found his way to Egypt in the time period in question (Hellenistic/Ptolemaic period) is not all that improbable and again, in-marriage could have played a part.
And re Sigurdr being described as a Hun, being a Hun wasn't necessarily ethnic... the Hunnic "Empire" was more of a confederation and once in Europe it included the Germanic tribes within its territories, many of whom became allies.
Otto Maenchen-Hilfen in his History of the Hunnic Peoples uses on the Eddic lays' descriptions to pin-point a crucial battle- site in Pannonia.. at Tisza I think it was.
Hello...
This reply is a little late and I don't know if you're still around... You bring up some very good points but some of them require a bit of clarification, if you don't mind... ;)
"I wouldn't be so sure about Jordanes claiming things about descent from Troy or an Egyptian Pharaoh who was a Goth....."
In this case Jordanes is referring to "Tanaussis" a Getic King who defeated the Egyptians. Tanaussis did not enter Egypt... He says that the "Parthians" or deserters from the Getic/Gothic army are the ones who entered Egypt while the main body of the Getic army probably returned home.
There may be a Hyksos connection to all of this.
"Noting that, surely the Goths had interactions with the Thracians - including in the time of Burebista - so it's not so hard to image Gothic-Thracian union and offspring such that a Thracian family claiming descent from Troy existed, or that Jordanes had seen the logic in that."
In the "Eddas" by Snorri Sturluson Thor is supposedly a prince of Troy who migrated into Thrace from "Turkey" and moved further to the North.
There is a good case to be made that the Getae were Goths and not Thracians. Herodotus seems to be the first to equate Thracians with Getae due to the fact that there were "Gets" who lived south of the Danube close to or within Thrace itself. He reasoned that both populations were one and the same despite not having direct contact with them or enough reasonable experience to make that connection.
I like the white and black filter; it's very soothing as you read about killing one's brother and slaughtering one's foes.
I believe I have information on where the descendants of the Eastern Goths now live. According to Big Y, they live in the northern part of the Russian republic of Bashkortostan and neighboring regions. If we take into account that Great Bulgaria was founded by yesterday's Huns, then we can connect the Goths to the Urals through the resettlement of the Volga Bulgarians to the Volga.
Where was “Mirk-Wood” I wonder? This battle described in the story was probably a reference to some historical event.
There’s a lot in these stories to unpack.
Interesting color palette
Good video. I'd like you to make a video on the Visigoths.
Are you familiar with Lotte Hedeager's work on the Hunnic connection with Norse culture? She posits in her work "Iron Age Myth and Materiality" that Huns may briefly have gone in to much of Scandinavia, left a big imprint on the Scandinavian culture thence, especially religiously, but also to the point that many of the old Scandinavian dynasties famous in the Vking Age, were originally of Hunnic extraction, if I remember correctly (I only read it once for a seminar so I did not have opportunity to really deep dive). She posits that Odin, all though the name of ancient deity, was really supplanted by an Ancestor-God-King figure, based on Attila the Hun, which is why Odin (or indeed also Attila the Hun in her case) is counted as the ancestor of so many Germanic dynasties, not just in Scandinavia (the Franks being one of the few exceptions). It is a fascinating work, combining archaeology, anthropology, history and linguistics, interwoven with each other, and I am certainly not doing it justice here. She talks about how to gleam knowledge from Jordanes and similar texts correctly, for example. Though I am unable to judge truly judge her thesis. We had to read it as a part of an advanced undergraduate course in archaeology here in Sweden, yet despite being constantly talked about and referenced, even by other course literature, few seem to really buy her theories fully? People seemed to mention her work as an addendum to a larger explanation, like: "And then we have this interesting idea Hedeager posits." But rarely was it an idea taught as "canon".
Tack så mycket, goterna fascinerar mycket,
Mirkwood is obviously "Black forest" ("Čërnyi lis" in Ukrainian) - a forest zone (which separates it from the Black Sea steppes) in Cherkasy and Kirovograd oblasts (regions) in Ukraine (along right bank of the Dnieper river). The Ostrogorhic settlements (according to typically Germanic archaelogical sites in multiethnic Cherniakhiv arch.culture) were concentrated in the lower Dnieper on its right bank between modern Dnipro and Kherson cities in Ukraine. The greatest East Gothic settlement (polis) was found on the high Dnieper bank hill near modern Bashmachka village, Dnipro oblast, Ukraine. Many historicians consider it to be Arheimar or Danparstadir - ancient Gothic capital....
I am absolutely fascinated with the Huns because how little we know about them - their language, religion, society - today despite the Huns fighting the Western Roman Empire to a standstill. All we have is guesswork based on testimony from their hated enemies namely the Chinese, Goths, Romans etc. I used to think modern Hungarians were descended from Huns, but apparently even that is disputed now?
Dr. Crawford, I've always been curious, is this your property you always film on or are these places I can hike to? I'm new to the Denver area and Im always looking for abandoned buildings or nice overlooks to visit that aren't traveled to often by other people.
interesting content as always Dr Crawford, thank you.
I like the black and white look - though miss the colours of such a lovely & unique landscape
Thanks, great video!
Looking forward to your new book!
Interesting to see the phrase:
"þat mun/man æ uppi" in that last stanza, as it can also be found in Völuspá when the dwarves are being recounted.
What I don't understand is what 'uppi' is doing there, maybe onward?
þat, that.
man, remember.
æ, forever.
uppi, up, onward?
Yay! Black t-shirts on the merch site. Going full goth.
Dr Crawford, you should look into Robert Sepehr's work on ancient civilisations. Those Goths may well have met with Greeks and Egyptians.
They may actually be familiar since they are from the same university or so.
Can't wait for this book.
I really enjoyed your translations of the poetic edda and the volsungs saga, and I'm looking forward to the next ones. I was wondering: Have you thought about doing a translation of the Flateyjarbók?
It is beautiful
Cheers mate. Love your videos. Keep it up.
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I've really been enjoying these videos. Thanks for clarifying the possible connection between Tyrfingr and Thervingi. I was thinking Tyrfingr could mean Tyr's finger. Like Hand of God, and being a weapon, the God of war's hand. A powerful weapon that would harness Tyr's judgement. Which sounds really cool, but is just a product of my imagination I guess lol
Tyr's Finger would be "Týsfingr" I think. (According to the dictionary I looked at.)
@@john.premose Tyr
@@john.premoseHow so?
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@@john.premose Hard to know what every community throughout the many years thought. But I do agree that we should be careful to not to make assumptions as we try to explain history. Especially since as we try to relate to them we do so with our modern biases about religion and myth. As the Christians of old would have likely done as well, and are responsible for much of the info we have. Whether literary fantasy, perhaps with lessons baked in, or religion, "God" is certainly an English word and approximation. And I'm not too troubled by whether it's fiction or not, just brainstorming what certain words and certain authors meant.
Will you do a video on the Kensington runestone? And if you believe if it is genuine or a hoax?
He finally did one (40 minutes long!) and pointed out many ways that it is assuredly a hoax.
Dr. Crowford mentioned my mother tongue Plattdeutsch (and pronounced it perfectly) 😍
6:11 Fateful as it may sound, atta is also a word in various Turkic dialects meaning 'forefather'.
Got to wonder who got it from whom. I imagine the Gothic term comes from Turkic, but it'd be cool if Turkic people everywhere retained a word they borrowed from their kin when the Huns invaded Europe.
Altrantis It derived from proto-indo-european átta
Is that the same word used in the name Kemal Ataturk? (the father of the Turks).
+Altrantis The Turkic word is derived from a proto-Altaic word et'e, which means 'ancestor'.
+Another Elvis Yeah. See also - atameken (fatherland, in Kazakh).
Are the Goths related at all to the Göta of Sweden? Much, much later obviously, but is it possible they remained in Scandinavia when the ancient Goth's migrated South?
Very likely they are. Goths are known to have migrated towards the Black Sea from an initial settlement hugging the Baltic sea, directly south of Scandinavia, it was called Gothiscandza. The guy in this vid says Jordanes isn't a particularly reliable source, but frankly he is most of what we can base our Goth-history on, since he was himself a Goth and knew the oral retellings the Goths passed down among their people.
@@fartz3808 Yeah, but oral traditions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
All the Goths migrated to Poland when the resources in Scandinavia could not sustain the local growing population. So most of the goths actually left and settled in Poland, later moved south to Crimea, and then entered the Eastern Roman Empire, sacked rome and were given the land of Aquitania, in West France. Then they were driven out by the Franks and then settled in Spain. As many as 200 000 visigoths (for a total Spanish population of 4 million at the time) settled in the country. They made 5% of the population. So very littled Goths may have remained in Scandinavia. Ironically the descendants of the Goths live today in what is today Spain.
Probably originally not a tribe, but a word for gjuta (to pour, cast, ejaculate) ie a "male/breeder" today found in Norwegian "gutt", värmländska "gut", gotländska "gute", västgöte, östgöte osv.
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I've heard about the possible connection between Geats (Götar in Swedish), Gutes (Gutar in Swedish) and Goths, but I've been wondering about a possible connection to the Jutes (Jutar in Swedish) of eastern Denmark as well. The name of the group Jutar seems to be cognate with Götar and Gutar. While Gutar is pronounced with a hard G, all the others are pronounced with a Ya/Ja-sound.
To this day there is regions in Sweden, which names relate to the Götar/Gutar etc. We have Götaland (Land of the Götar), Gotland (land of the Gutar), and in Denmark there is Jylland (Jutland, which is the land of Jutar/Jutes).
I'm curious on the entire subject since I was told through before my time genealogy my Irish side has Visigothic ties or partial origins, as ConRi's.
It's translated some different ways by some but it means 'Hound-King' and raising Irish Wolfhounds is still a thing they do in Galway. My only inclination has settled around the Houndings and Wulfings.
Some say such peoples (particularly in my wider clan's case, as pirate/smuggler/fishermen) have been in trade contact forever on the north sea, and I've noticed some loaned or shared words, like Tyr means King's Land in Irish, and Erc (Eric) is 'weregild' in Ireland. Plus Lugaid lost his hand to CuChullain and the same or a different Lugaid married a 'swan princess' from Scandinavia, in legend.
I find it telling even in those days, as I've read, Cu Roi survived and fled the famous siege by Caesar of the Parisi and co., and CuChullain's wayward son lamented how together they could have conquered Rome - showing the ambition even of otherwise unheard of, relatively isolated people.. save for this dynamic they had no qualms traveling across Britain the same way in Cu Roi's case, they scaled the Alps.
I also wonder about the relations between Vandals, Vendel period Sweden and Vends|Wends / Vendel as Slavic neighbors. And a lesser extent Alans, mainly because I understand Van or Von is 'son of' in Germanic tongues, to each their own respectively. Helped by the existence of names like Van Allen.
Have heard the same as what you have, with the added point the island Gotland was actually divided between all three groups before they branched out, and Geat referred to one group by location and Gutar/Gotar and Jutes each other. Pardon I can't recall who had which half or the middle. Though the Swedes seem to branch eastward in general and the Danes/Jutes westward.
@@jairoukagiri2488 It is often said that Swedish Vikings went east, and Norwegian and Danish Vikings raided in the western Europe. That is probably mostly true. Especially vikings on the east coast of Sweden, crossed the Baltic Sea to Finland, Sankt Petersburg in Russia, and the Baltic countries (Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia)..
However, we do have a west coast in Sweden, and it doesn't make much sense that they went eastwards, since they would have to have dailed round the southern part of Sweden to get into the Baltic Sea. It makes more sense that they went west with the Norwegians and the Danes.
I also have ancestry from a part further up north in Sweden (Hackås parish), and they had much trade with the Norwegians in Trondheim, which is a city founded by vikings.
I have done DNA test, for genealogical purposes, and from my family branch from Hackås, I have many Norwegian DNA matches. I uploaded my DNA results to MyTrueAncestry (MTA), and I seem to share DNA with lots of the vikings that settled Iceland and also some gf the vikings that went all the way to Greenland. I know that I shall take the results from MTA with a pinch of salt.
For example I match some of the people that were on Raven-Floki's expedition to Iceland, and also some of the vikings that made the Brathalid settlement on Greenland.
I have much ancestry from the western part of Sweden, so it makes sense that I have DNA matches with the people that went west.
Almost all my ancient matches there are vikings, lombards, , saxons, visigoths and ostrogoths, and also some people from the Vendel era. My results from FTDNA and other DNA testing sites report that I'm more or less 100% Scandinavian.
I know that I have one branch from Bohemia though, from around 200 years ago, so I do have some matches in Czechia and parts of Germany as well.
In Norway we have places like Gudbrandsdalen, Gudvangen and Jotunheimen. I wonder if there is a connection between these as well
@@thePyiott I don't think that Jotunheimen is related to götar and jutar, but I could be wrong. Jotunheimen is old norse for Giant's home. The Jotun were the giants from the old Norse mythology.
I don't think that götar and jutar has anything to do with giants, but again I could be wrong.
Sweden, Norway and Denmark have lots of other things in common though. And I absolutely love Norway. Many years ago I went by train from Sweden to Bergen via Oslo, and it was spectacular to see glaciers that far south in August.
While he have some high mountains (fjäll) in Sweden too, they are nothing compared to the mountains in Norway, and we definitely don't have any glaciers that far south in Sweden. We do have some mountains (ski resorts) in Dalarna, those mountains are not even half as high as those in Norway. To find higher mountains in Sweden, you have to go much further north.
The fjords in Norway are also spectacular. I want to go on Hurtigruten some day.
@@dannestrom Germanic people were a bit taller than their neighbors at the time. The myths about the Jotun could be stories early goths told other tribes about themselves. Just some wild speculation
It is really weird that the word ATA means dad in all Turkic languages, and somehow in Gothic too! words for Mother and father are very similar in unrelated languages
In Thracian languages (nowadays lost) TATA also meant "father". In modern Ukrainian language we still say TATO ("father").
During WWI and WWII, the Allies sometimes referred to the Germans as "Huns". That finds its roots in a speech sometime before WWI (1900, in fact) by the Kaiser, who encouraged German soldiers to be brave like Huns. The question is, why would he ask them to be like history's bad guys? And I think the answer is, the Huns aren't seen that way by everyone. To those of us who trace our cultural heritage to Roman parts of Europe, the tradition is that Huns were evil, and Attila was the Scourge Of God: Rome was civilization, and the Huns were despoilers of civilization. But to those whose cultural heritage was of rejecting Rome -- for example, the Germans -- Attila was not necessarily a monster. That is, at least, my best guess at what's going on.
but in the nibelungen lied the Huns are te bads and the Burgundians the goods !! not all the german tribs were allied with Attila against Aetius !! when they finally met in battle in 452 AD the both had germans in their armies ! but you could be right about this idea of being pro -Rome or against-Rome , i just add that germans were divided on which side to pick up .( pro rome : Burgundians, Franks , Wisigoths /anti -rome : Gepides and Ostrogoths for the most important). And in the mind of the kaiser Willhelm it was probably more a metaphore to mesmerize his troops against the French/Franks who fought for Rome so his germany had to be the one of Arminius/ Herman and Attila.
True, there were Germanic people who were relatively well-disposed to Rome. But Germany, as opposed to Germanic peoples, was across the Rhine from the Roman Empire. It is sort of a traditional boundary between Germany and Rome. (Not that Germany was a nation until pretty recently, but the Rhine was certainly where Rome stopped.)
a geographer told me one day to compare maps of the roman empire(antiquity) and of the repartition of catholicism and protestantism (16th century to novadays) : and it works rhenany and bavaria , Austria are catholics while saxony and pomerania are protestants , history has strong powers over peoples , on how they see themselves ...Anglosaxons are protestants , Irish catholics( even if Rome never attaked them - but the English did).
There's some debate as to whether the Church of England is strictly "Protestant"; personally I hold that it's not, because the CoE didn't come about because of corrupt Catholic practices, but rather because Henry VIII wanted a divorce. Up to that point, Hank^8 was a defender of the Pope against Protestant forces. So The CoE may not be Roman Catholic but they're not Protestant either; they're a third category, or that's how I see it anyway.
But I think you're right that Germans were by and large more receptive to breaking away from Rome than, say, Austrians were.
Ever check out Tengri as a source or .. I consider it potentially a cultural exchange over of runes towards Hunnic/Asiatic Steppe peoples.
Some of all the new gene results from old archeological digs around Europe can probably give some answers about who was where when.
Personally I am especially looking forward to what it gonna show about the Völkerwanderung where the Huns and Goths play a big role. And lot of specially Scandinavian people gets its first role on the world scene at this time. Great times ahead.
Who tf dislikes this? Like it’s literally facts unless specifically stated. I don’t understand people
Friend:
Norse legends only features norse people.
Me:
*shows this video to such friend*
Friend:
IMPOSSIBLE
Don't forget they preserved more of Charlemange's story than the French did.
Fascinating stuff!
Very cool!
ata means ‘dad, ancestor’ in turkish also
amcuk shame Turkey is all brown these days
Wonder which side got the word from whom. Clearly Turkish and Gothic have some words in common because of the Huns, and one of the languages got the word from the other.
Altrantis It derived from proto-indo-european átta
In russian, the word for father is "отец" (otets), that also came from p.i.e. átta.
Union what do you mean by brown as skin color?
The Germanic peoples are a branch race of the Scythians who's people migrated everywhere creating other branch races. Some to India, Into the middle east some to greece almost everywhere. Its quite possible that they are related to Iliadic figures its a stretch but not unfeasible people were not as static in ancient history as you would think. Achilles was said to be a blonde according to Homer as was Alexander the great a trait that comes from the caucus mountains the homeland of the Scythians.
Stranger Ata also dad in Turkish.. Stranger..
5.52, Attila's name is Gothic Norse, Attila's male ancestral line is Gothic rising up through the Hunnic ranks after being defeated by them before he was born (joining of the Goth and Hun). Strong evidence Attila has a Gothic Nordic blood line ruling the Hun as King of the Huns. Theodoric the Great kills Odoacer whose father (Ediko) betrayed Attila by collaborating with the Byzantines to poison Attila with Ildico. Ostrogoths then rule Italy, that's what Attila would have wanted. Huns were not powerful enough to rule Italy, if they were then why do the Goths inherit Europe and not the Hun?
I think I watch these not mainly for the education(it is a plus), but for the jealousy I feel when I see where he is
Hola from Venezuela, you see the movie the ritual a jotun is the villain
I really am looking forward to finding out who the ef downvotes videos like this. They need help.
Firstly I love Norse Mythology and very apreciated this channel and narration of Jackson Crawford as he always says that Norse Mythology deserves not to be in ivory tower :). Anyway i want to tell about where Attila name may come from. It is said that Atilla or Attila may be seperated as -Atıl, -Itil that comes from "Volga River" that it is "Itıl" in turkish and -illa means "from that place" in turkish. Then Atilla may mean "from Volga" and Ata is also mean father and ancestor in turkish so it may come from turkish language. Atilla is common name in turkey. I know that because i'm from turkey.
Wait, So Lenin and Atilla had the same alias!
When do you think your next book will come out?
What’s the correct way to pronounce “Attila”: as “AT-till-uh” or as “AHT-till-ah” or as “uh-TILL-uh”? The third one is the way you’re saying it throughout this video, but he spelling & its known cognates (also presented by you) appear to support one of the first two instead. I was watching this one with my husband, as usual, and we’d really like to know.
the Carpathian mountains look like a dragon (snake) when seen from the clouds
i know nothing about norse.. i see what's likely a false cognate, but would love to ask anyway.. Tyrfingr.. Tyr's finger?> name for a sword??
Do y’all think that some of the Galatians from Gaul (mentioned in the Bible) are maybe a Gothic heritage? Perhaps even Ostrogoth? Btw I enjoyed your reading of the poem as it is probably ten years since I first read the Volsunga Saga
So where did the Huns and Goths come from? Scythia?
The Huns spoke broken Chuvash. I know this from Civilization V.
I'd say more than Greek, the runes look a lot like Etruscan writing to me, only Etruscan is written backwards.
There was a lot of trade going on between Etruria and early iron age cultures in the Baltic region ,as evidenced by finds of amber in Etruria and etruscan pottery in Pomerania ...I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote each other business letters .
I thought in the Hervavar Saga that Walhaz stood for "Roman"/ "Romanized Celts" and the name "Kiarr" meant "Caesar"?
Interesting.. thought I heard that once too maybe, Celts are called Welch from what I know, as neighbors.
I heard there's a theory that at least some of the Huns may have spoken a Yeniseian language - a small language family with only one surviving member (Ket) spoken in western Siberia which has recently been theorized to be related to the Na-Dene family spoken in the Pacific Northwest - Tlingit, Eyak, and the Athabascan languages (which include Navajo and Apache)
Don't write bullshits
@@cinsifrit9860 It's a theory.. with more specific details in hard to follow terms than any BS artist bothers with. It's also provable at least the NW Natives are indeed descended from basically Kazakhstan region today. Whether they crossed by land bridge, or skin boat.
You want a mind blower, check out the Peruvians with Japanese sickle-cell anemia.
Love the shirt. 307 indeed! GO POKES!
"Why even invade Rome? We're all just gonna die, anyways"
Did contact with greek or Roman gods influence Norse peoples at all? If the druids could write ancient greek then maybe the Norse also had contact with the mediterraneans.
Götar - Götaland have noting to do with Gotland.
They are very close to Allfader
Hey i've seen the aesirian code of nine being tossed around the internet and im trying to find the exact origins of it but still read general things that dont name exact manuscripts or whatever discovered by who exactly. Do you know exactly from what ancient physical source this comes from?
It's just made up. Partly it is Japanese. It's just a way to make asatru like Christianity with ten commandments. It's wrong, it's cultural appropriation. Read Havamal instead.
ya i was thinkin something like that.
@@lindaliljecrona4404 Seems like fetishism for a fantasy version of Heathen Norse warriors and Bushido warriors. Both have presence enough in pop culture to be perverted like this.
Was it correct when he states Germanic presence in the Carpathians in 500BC, or was that just an error and 500AD was meant? I'm not being unnecessarily pedantic, I'm just mind-blown by the fact if it is 500BC, didn't think there was evidence of Germanic peoples that far back.
the 500 bc comes from the theorized time of the indo-european woudn change which was aroudn that era. so germanic speaking peoples very well could be wandering around there and left for the north and come back again. just speculations
@@tommierhodes1719 Cool. Thanks for the reply :)
He said Germanic, but it could very well just be a error on his side. He said Germanic but probably meant pre-Germanic tribes that spoke Pre-Germanic, which then turned to Proto-Germanic with grimms law.
Gut saga.
Cool
Very interesting that "atta" is "Dad" in Gothic since it's the same in almost all Turkic languages.
I wondered about that too. It it is not perhaps a loan from hunnic if hunnic was a turcic language. Cant remember any modern germanic language having a similar word for dad buti am not a scolar.
In fact, "Atli" the form of the name Attila mentioned in the video, is used in Turkish for "horsemen".
@@Sadoyasturadoglu don't spread folk etymology.
@@cinsifrit9860 If you don't speak Turkish, it's normal that you don't understand.
@@Sadoyasturadoglu I speak turkish *very well* , that's why I said don't spread folk etymology.
you never mention Theoderik king of ostrogoths and his tumb in Ravenna, why? after all they are still living inside of us mixed with other tribes but still our ancenstors