I doubt Manscaped is your only sponsor. You started shitting on EVs lately. I liked and agreed with you when you were pointing out Electric Jesus followers. But it seems most traditional car manufacturers lost the race for EV tech and pumping a lot of money on influencers to try to put EVs down. You are definitely one of them. MANSCAPED is evolution and so are EVs. People who have access to a normal AC plug at the parking spot should consider buying EVs. The ones that also have solar installed definitely are. All the others will have to wait. But the ones that buy them will finance the evolution and eventually everyone will have access to good infrastructure.
It's crazy that they told us here in California that they'd give us discounts and make charging EVs cheaper than gas and/or free if we bought EVs, and now they want to tax the EVs more than gas cars, and make it more expensive to own them, so glad I plan to hold onto my 91 Geo Prizm as long as possible
Only problem with that. Is Newsome now wants to ban older gas cars. Good luck with your transportation if you live in California. Your damned if you do and damned if you don’t..
Just wait until they start to feel the tax loss of gasoline/ petroleum and then replace it with some other tax on the Ev. Bend over and insert your charger, just remember to lube up first, cause it’s going to hurt!
This is a point I made when the whole ev movement started... Yes they're going to be cheaper now because of all the government incentives... Paying zero taxes then was just a sweetener. But these taxes still need to be paid, and as each ice car is replaced by electric car, government revenue from taxes drops. At some point someone is going to have to start making up for that shortfall... And it's going to be the electric car owner. Just imagine how much it's going to cost the EV owner when the fuel duty on petrol and diesel has to be passed on to ALL electric charging... INCLUDING home charging.
I am old enough to remember when it was claimed that Nuclear Power would make electricity so cheap that it would not be worth metering it! In the UK 54% of the petrol pump price is tax. At some point, the government is going to have to switch to getting that tax revenue some other way.
Too cheap to meter is a trope. The person quoted was Lewis L Strauss in 1954. He was saying this was a goal for the children of the future. Not that it could or should happen
It has been the unspoken UK government policy for decades to eventually exclude a large percentage of the population from private vehicle ownership. Many years ago, they ditched the requirement for new apartment builds to include 2 parking spaces for every dwelling. Local councils came up with complicated calculation criteria, that can result in new apartment developments having fewer parking spaces than apartments. Or even no onsite parking at all.
Maybe, but Nuclear was still touted for decades afterwards, as a cheap and clean way of generating electricity. Until they stopped ignoring the cost of nuclear waste disposal. @@theairstig9164
The UK Government has already decided to go with a system of Road Tolls to replace lost and diminishing fuel duty. The tax burden will move from fuel to actual road *usage*
@@corringhamdepot4434 Excluding a large percentage of the population from private vehicle ownership would leave massive shortfalls in taxation. It would also mean many millions of people would be put out of work. How would either of these scenarios be in anyway beneficial or advantageous to a Government?
It's already in effect in Victoria 2.8 cents per km but there was some court case about it, Not sure if it got scrapped but expect that to happen in future and increase indefinitely anyway. No way they will let EV's not pay any tax for road use.
Yep, anybody who thinks the government will continue to forego the excise on fuel without recouping it in other ways are quite likely to buy the lovely bridge I have for sale
@@timjohnun4297 of course thats why Victoria lost in court and the court specifically said the state couldn't impliment this tax leaving it wide open to be done on a federal level
In the UK I've noticed that a lot of companies are giving their staff no option but to choose an EV. My father is a big believer in Hybrids, but has had his hand forced into having an EV, and had to pay at personal expense to have the charger fitted to his house. His company has even adopted electric vans for the fleet of mobile engineers. But there are no charge points for them to use on the sites they work, so they have to charge them at home, and when compared to the diesel vans they previously had (which used company paid fuel cards) they have company funded electric charge points cards, but if they charge the vans at home they get no reimbursement for the cost. As Rowan Atkinson said (not a direct quote) they're a great idea, and if you only do city driving and have the means to charge them at home safely... then perfect...but for the majority of people the technology just isn't there yet.
Always amazed me that people here in the UK were oblivious to the fact that most of what they pay for petrol and diesel is tax, while (at least, until a few years ago) there was 20% VAT on electricity. So we're at the mercy of both the cartels that sell us both AND government when it comes to what we end up paying for either.
In the states, we used to rely on petrol tax sold to cars for building roads. We haven't increased the tax for 30 years here in Wisconsin, but we keep building roads, not sure where the money comes from to build roads now days.
Just wait till the technology is forced in until there is no point of return - the government is sure to introduce a tax to replace the loss of revenue from taxing petrol.
Here in Vancouver Canada, a Canadian Tire store (big chain automotive and hardware, etc) had a sign at the road: "Free oil change for Tesla vehicles" and there was a line up of cars waiting to be laughed at.
I’d say the tyre store are the stupid ones as Teslas run oil in their drive motors and also have oil filters just like an ICE car. I would demand they source the parts and change them 😂
@@J-P88 Guess what: When the sun doesn't shine, your solar panels have already stored a lot of energy in the batteries that are connected to them... Energy storage is a thing that exists... All you need is an adequate amount of solar panels, an inverter, batteries and the necessary accessories like cables etc. It's not a big deal and in the long run, the money you saved from gas stations and power bills for your home will pay the cost of the solar system.
@@Seventh7Art 2 doors down my neighbour got solar panels, an ev charging point and a brand new ev at a premium price. So far this winter the solar panels have not produced enough electricity to charge a toothbrush and he is paying through the nose to charge his car. I asked him recently if he was saving any money out of this huge capital investment he borrowed money to have installed. The reply was he wish I had not done it, the car value has tanked, it doesn't go very far when it's cold and he will NEVER SAVE A SINGLE PENNY ON HIS INVESTMENT. It's one of those investments that come good in the 25th year. Unfortunately the car will not last long or the solar panels. And now he has to pay people to go on his roof to clean them.
@@thehairygolfer So far this winter the solar panels have not produced enough electricity to charge a toothbrush? Whatever you say, Jack. I call BS. Your story is as much realistic as Snow White.
On 7 news SA they showed a car website drove 2 bmws from victoria to nsw, one was an EV, the other an ICE. The ICE was cheaper (running premium unleaded) than the EV, and completed the journey 2 hours faster.
I suspect that the vast majority of car driving is not between Melbourne and Sydney using public chargers. Is the test quoted the one that charged the car to 100% thus making the charging time as long as possible and is it the same test that used the dearest charging network, or am I thinking of different test?
It's funny as far as, he is burning stuff in order to do that, but it's not interesting if the critique is "you're pro saving the planet, yet you drive and fly... curious!" (which wasn't John's point). Because, "we live in a society" etc. etc. Just the exact wording in this case is dumb and funny due to how absolute it is.
Apparently all the charging companies in the US are losing money and if they dont raise their prices ( which is already 100% markup) they will all be going broke!! Good riddens to bad rubbish i say!!
I'm not surprised. Why pay 79p KWh in the UK at a public charger when I can charge all day for free with my Zappi charger and my solar panels or 7.5p KWh overnight at home on my own driveway. Rip off prices.
I'm pretty sure that Tesla is not losing money on its Superchargers, and it charges the lowest rates of the charging networks and has the highest reliability of its chargers. Since Tesla manufactures its own chargers at lower costs than the competition and has the most volume of customers, it wins with economies of scale. Once all the EV brands are able to charge at Superchargers, Tesla is going to take over the charging market.
it's happen all over the world .I live in Austria now there is literally a ques for charging EV's not to mention that twice i had problem with my brothers car not starting up due to cold conditions...I brought my self a old Audi a5 2010 model which is currently been checked up by friend mechanic.
Here in the UK petrol is around £1.39p per lite and 53p of that is tax! But its still way cheaper than public charging your EV - most high speed public chargers like Instavolt can be around 73p per KWhr. My sons Tesla will cost around £53 to charge for less than 190 miles , my 1.3L Turbo petrol costs £62 for around 450 miles - you do the math. On a trip to northern Spain it cost me around £160 in fuel , his Tesla well over £300 and took him an extra 9 hours ( my trip was only 15 hours in total) so a return journey would burn through nearly 20 hours of his holiday sitting at charging points either getting baked in 35c sun or getting soaked. Without going into detail I would not want to spend 20 hours sitting in various charging stations surrounded by interesting characters who have decended on europe from various shit holes.
You've not heard of charge network subscriptions then? My local charge network is priced at 38p per kwh, if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer....
Probably marginally better than spending 20 hours at below zero in the dark; or a fair bit longer than 20 hours due to using the heater and the cold weather causing range reduction Do these charging points have toilets?.
@@Brian-om2hh Rubbish , try that when traveling the country , have you heard of travelling unrestricted? Oh yes like you had with ICE , EV 's and public charging are a farce , bad for you , bad for the planet .
Here in NZ, as of April 1st you'll have to pay per kilometre road tax on EVs, the same as for diesel vehicles. Even plug in hybrids will incur NZD$53/1000km Maths on my Kia Rio ICE. 13c/km on fuel. If electric, 7.6c/km for road user charges. Add electricity to that. For me an EV just wouldn't make any financial sense
That's correct and in Australia a tax per kilometre will be brought in sooner or later to offset excise lost on petrol so this will only make owning a EV a crazy proposition.
The most hilarious aspect is the plug in hybrids. Most people don't actually charge them, and they don't go far on the battery. On long trips they actually use more gas than conventional, because of the extra weight, so assuming they use the same as your equivalent conventional vehicle, that's an extra 5.3c added to your 13c, making it quite possibly the most expensive vehicle to drive of them all. At that point you might as well save money and by a 15 year old V8 and have some actual fun driving.
Cant help but wonder if our new government had already predicted that EV running cost will escalate in the near future so they have included rosd users to slow EV take up and less NZers get shafted. the electricity grid is so outdated it is a ridiculous dream our network could possibly cope with any future demand. Remember that during peak winter evening consumption our system has failed and created blackouts then to go and add EV charging to peak consumption is not realistic. All that's going to happen is domestic electricity cost will skyrocket and increase your cost of living for the benefit of a few self proclaimed climate saving pretenders.
@adssco120 I'm inclined to agree with you. The cost of installing the chargers is also astronomical. Other issues with EVs include the lack of reliability, serviceability and range, the abysmal resale value, and the fact that replacing the batteries costs more than most people will ever spend buying a whole car. Over the next few years, the EV market is going to collapse. Already charger companies are going bust and manufacturers are having to cancel their manufacturing plans and scale back production. It's arguable that we have already reached market saturation, and many buyers are offloading their purchases. That includes huge companies like Hertz, but also many private EV owners. It's a failed experiment, it was rushed with not a lot of thought given to how it was going to work in practice. Also insurance is going to become a problem, and it's likely regulations will follow due to their propensity to turn into hazmat infernos that can't be put out. Personally I'm just going to watch it with popcorn in hand.
@diecastb yeh about the same price as petrol per km. Assuming about $2.60/L of fuel which could change though. The big thing is that for approximately the same petrol vs electric cost, with my Kia Rio I didn't have the extra purchase cost of the EV
Nonsense. There are already independent EV specialists in the UK who can repair damaged battery packs. Where do you get this misinformed crap from? They remove the damaged cell(s) and replace them.
@@Malpriorvids I found one in WOrthing that repair and replace batteries. They don't quote a price which means it's fuck off expensive. You could probably buy a nice low mileage car for the price. The Hyundai can cost as much as £48,000 to replace. Battery and labour plus vat.
@@Brian-om2hh Give Satan's car company a call, and tell them you've just run over a Jaffa Cake in your Shit Box 3, which left a dent in the battery casing. See what they say. I guarantee it will be something along the lines of "you need a whole new traction battery sir, at $27,000 for the part, plus labour for fitting".
say goodbye to your fast charging bud, also battery packs are no longer service-able, unless you buy a custom pack, *you know a whole new pack* @Brian-om2hh
A few years ago we looked at the Hyundai Kona, comparing petrol and EV variants. We test drove the EV (my first and, so far, only ever drive of an EV). I found the smooth acceleration from zero revs to be awesome. We are retired and so could recharge an EV using our rooftop solar panels (most of the time). The EV variant was about $20,000 more than the equivalent petrol version. However driving a relatively fuel efficient vehicle, like the petrol Kona, around town would, in all probability, cost us less than $2,000 per year. So, chances are, we would never have broken even financially. If we did at all, it would be well after 10 years and when the vehicle is approaching end-of-life. The CO₂ break even calculation, we decided was just too difficult. We didn't have enough information (like the difference in CO₂ emissions in the manufacture of the two vehicles) to make a sensible decision. So, needless to say, we didn't buy the EV (even though we were in, pretty much, the perfect position to make good use of an EV).
Live in Connecticut USA, we / wife bought a PHEV this past fall (the rebate made it cheaper than the gas only version 🤷♂), the cost of charging AT HOME is equivalent to roughly $4.35/gal (assuming best reasonable range / kWh, aka not winter or highway). Charging at virtually every single non-free public charger is around twice that price or more. It's quite literally cheaper per mile for me to somewhat aggressively drive my 505hp gas high performance vehicle than to charge her PHEV compact SUV at a public level 2 charger.
It's not very different in NY. Yet , my electricity provider and the state are constantly contacting me about the virtues of EV ownership. In the meanwhile my 2024 Jetta gets nearly 50 mph on the highway
WTF are you paying per kWhr? $0.80/kwhr? That would amount to the most expensive electricity I have ever seen. I get about 1/10th the cost of gas. That is $1500/month for a typical house.
@@yodaiam1000 nope, works out to about $0.29 / kWh when you include all the delivery fees taxes and everything else. 15.5kWh battery pack gets 30-32 mi on a full charge, or ~2mi / kWh, or ~$4.49 for a full charge, without factoring in efficiency losses. Coincidentally it also gets about 30mpg on the gasoline engine, so a full charge is almost exactly equal to one gallon of gas.
@@fpnbrian That is an inefficient range on the battery power. Is it a large car? We get twice the range in the middle of winter and 2.5 times in summer. Your gas mileage is really good for a larger car. Probably because you have regen braking. We are pretty lucky. Our electricity is about $0.07/kWhr in USD. I am not from the US so I converted the dollar figure. Our gas varies from $4.5/gal to $6.7/gal depending on the time of year etc. So EVs make a lot of sense for us. Electricity is more stable in price as well.
@@yodaiam1000 compact SUV PHEV, and a pretty common efficiency from what I've seen. Your probably only looking at the electricity generation fee, and ignoring the rest of the costs you pay for getting it to the house. I've seen many people here make the same mistake when calculating their cost to charge at home. My generation fee is roughly half the total cost I pay for the electricity, the rest is various delivery fees and taxes and whatnot.
Hey John. Wanna know something hilarious. Some knob with a Tesla moved into my street. Comes and knocks on my door the other day asking me to move my car from outside his house so he can charge. I politely said “I’m going out shortly however nobody here owns these public spaces. If I can choose others (I prefer of course the space outside my own house!) I’ll park elsewhere. But if the space outside your place is the only one available, I will park there and I won’t move till I need my car next. Your charging needs are not the concern of the street”. I was firm, but very polite and respectful. He called me unreasonable. Ha. The entitlement.
@@BlokeOnAMotorbikethank you. It’s remaining status quo, I will always park outside my own house because well, naturally that’s where I wanna park! If it’s not free, I park wherever is left. Nobody gets to claim any park, we are all wanting one. If it was my long term neighbour sure. But we have all lived here many, many years and some new guy comes in trying to tell us it’s his park now 😂
I service petrol stations and twice recently had Tesla drivers park next to the working dispenser’s whilst half the site was O/O/A to go into the shop whilst paying customers had to wait for these arrogant A holes. Didn’t they get some abuse from the customers and myself.
Charge at home at off peak rates, like most people are about to do, and everything changes. You're looking at about $15 to fully charge an 80kw battery and that will get the typical driver 400-500ks. My 2013 Pulsar does about 350-400 on a "tank" (45L) and currently costs about $95-$105 to fill.
From my power provider. 2 emails. 1. Charge your EV at 8c/kWh from 24:00-06:00 2. Join the savers club. Get $10 rebate if you reduce your energy usage when we send you a SMS. This will happen at peak loads. Now, remember the incentive for solar panels? I'm now down to 4.9c/kwh. You know already what will happen to that 8c incentive.
It's very true. I don't know why people buying EV don't calculate the run cost before buying? The simple calculation I heard for a long time is 25KW worth power for 100km, and the cost of 1kw electricity at home is around 35-40 cents. If we take the lowest price in calculation with supply cost, then around 50 cents minimum for 1KW and hence for 4 KM range, which gives $12.50 for 100km. This is the bare minimum cost we can apply at the lowest possible electricity rate in Australia. This seems marginally cheaper than petrol but it is a matter of time when it will overtake it, to make petrol cost cheaper! BTW, Diesel is still cheaper than all in every aspect.
Agree with John, for lots of people EVs make a heap of sense. If you mostly drive long distances at high speeds and can't charge at home, then an EV isn't for you. For the average Australian urban driver an EV will save them lots, especially if they can charge at home. I drive around town mostly and occasionally interstate or to the coast. For me an EV saves me about 50% of the equivalent petrol cost. Ownership costs are better too for the EV, especially when you consider the fbt savings if you are leasing. Like all big purchases it makes sense to do the sums prior to purchasing. For lots of people an EV will make a heap of sense, but for many it won't. Everyone should be allowed to buy what suits them best without having to pick a side in a stupid culture war. I drive an EV and also love Summernats. Best to keep an open mind and do the sums to pick the car that works best for you.
True, Government subsidies do make EV’s almost economic sense for some people some times and in some places when they can charge at home during the day from rooftop solar. Until the batteries need replacing or it gets cold or you need to run the ac. Tough luck for the rest of us taxpayers funding your virtue. Until the Gov runs out of our money.
The problem is that you aren't looking at how the world is changing. There was a 55% increase in the number of public charging stations worldwide in 2022, so it will soon be the case that it will be easier to find a charging station than a gasoline station for your car. For example, there are already 9 states in the US where there are more public charging stations than gasoline stations, and I expect that will be the case everywhere within the next 5 years. The charging time for EVs is dropping so quickly that charging time also won't be an issue. It now takes 25 minutes to fast charge a Tesla Model 3/Y Standard Range from 10% to 80% of its battery capacity. CATL (which produces 37% of global EV batteries) introduced its Qilin batteries in 2022 and its Shenxing batteries in 2023 which support 4C charging, so they can charge from 10% to 80& in 15 minutes. Once 4C charging becomes the norm in the next couple years, most people are going to want to switch to EVs, because their cost per km is 1/3 of the cost of petrol if home charging and 50% less if DC fast charging at Tesla Superchargers. By 2030, we will have 5-10 minute DC fast charging and the average selling price of EVs will be less than ICEVs, so almost nobody will want to buy a new ICEV.
@@amosbatto3051 you obviously do not listen to actual facts living the EV evangelist dream... I do not understand where people like you get off spewing this nonsense is someone actually paying you to lol.
@@stilllooking7996what EV subsidies are available?? I want to know as I have an EV and don’t currently get any government subsidies. Rebate finished end of 2023… are you just referring to lack of fuel excise tax?
@@colinburrows4859 FBT, luxury car tax, amongst others. Do some research. Try googling reasons to buy ev’s. And they can keep the house warm in winter. In fact all year round! Plus all the Government subsidies and grants and exemptions from planning laws and fees to upgrade the power network and pollution laws for their diesel generators the investors get to install ev mobile bbq, I mean charging stations.
Back here in the old country, I opted for a petrol engined tipo estate. On a trip to Bristol it averaged 52 miles per gallon that is on a 300 mile trip. Did it without having to refuel on the way.
When I was a kid I knew and aerospace engineer from Chicago--he was always pissed off at the glaring stupidity around him. Now I am an engineer and I know just how he felt in 1968 . Maybe nothing changes at all.
The MacMaster was paying 85 pence per KWH the other day on a run here in the UK filling his Taycan (cannot recall the charging company). That's AUD1.64 Blam!
I drive my Tesla a lot. It’s really enjoyable. I very, very rarely stop to charge. Every few hours I stop for a toilet break, a coffee, maybe a snack. While I’m doing that the car is charging. I usually have to stop charging (remote, from the app) because I have enough charge, for instance yesterday - I didn’t want to arrive home with more than 5 or 6%, as I produce my own electricity. (I do have to factor that cost in - it’s 18c/kW, which means total running costs for my car are about 3 cents per km. Tyres last >>50,000 kms, there’s no servicing, I almost never use the brakes so they’ll last the life of the car.)
So, EV's will cop the price gouge that ICE cars have had for for the last 30 yrs? $30 per kwh during blackouts in summer, public hols, long weekends? All independant from the actual cost of the electrons. Good luck ACCC!!! Future looks so bright....hybrid is about the only option that makes sense other than just driving a well maintained ICE vehicle! My preferred option!
wait until the governments start incorporating a KM charge for EV's ... the taxes on petrol aren't going to pay themselves. The Victorian Govt let the cat out of the bag a few years ago.
My local considering the Shell / ampol / caltex and BP stations here charge all charge at 0.69 AUD/kwh for fast charge here (Vic AUS) IF you don't charge at home its more economical to have combustion / hybrids.
You can't really charge at home at more than 12kwh and that's if your not using any other power, realistically you wouldn't want more than 6kwh so your house can still function, so they have you over a barrel really
Agree with this video. Recent return trip to Thredbo Australia Outlander PHEV 2019. Achieving 5.1l/100km (empty drive battery) vs. 20kwh/100km on open road. 95 octane gasoline @ $2/l works out 20% cheaper.
I really, really want to have an ev ( I like shiny things!) but the drawbacks are just too high. Both my boys have company EVs and one loves it (WFH) and the other is trying to get an ICE (he actually drives places). The challenge we have is that in the UK there are such good tax breaks for EVs that anyone in a company car is mad not to get one, even if it’s not best for them. As a result the UK EV market is starting to stall. The government will now step in to make ICEs much less attractive financially in a bid to force us to switch. It’s not a rosy future for the private motorist
Since when are EVs in any way shape or form "cheaper"? Even if you charge at home where karma will sooner rather than later torch your home, EVs are and always will be more expensive to charge and operate than good old reliable ICE cars.
@@zaar2604 LOL have you ever seen mining and processing of all the materials required for EV battery ? How about EV fires ? You could argue degrees but EVs are anything but "green"
If you are going to be fair, you can't give a list of all the issues with EVs and then ignore the super long list of issues with ICE cars. I wouldn't want to be in that tunnel when a tanker truck crashes and explodes. No one is saying EVs are perfect or that we have to transition from hydrocarbons overnight but we do have to transition from hydrocarbons and you have to start somewhere. EVs are just the start of that process. We need transportation without hydrocarbons and we really can't do that without EVs whether you like them or not. There is a huge advantage if you can charge at home and in many jurisdictions around the world chargers are being installed in all new buildings and are being retrofitted into older buildings. Street charging is becoming more available. Australia just maybe a little bit behind. You are right that the super charger prices you are referencing are a ripoff but that doesn't mean for people that have home charging there isn't a significant advantage. I don't know about Australia but you aren't going to pay an extra $20 000 for a BEV over an equivalent ICE. You might pay $10 000 extra without incentives for a typical car. Maintenance is definitely less. Brake pads don't need changing very often, no oil or oil filter changes. You only have to bring the car in once per year instead of twice per year. The is a significant convenience. Infrastructure will improve for EVs. Gas stations had to be developed for ICE cars when the horse and buggy era came to an end and the same thing will happen for EVs. The economics of fossil fuels and developing countries is very different from what they were at the beginning of the industrial revolutions. You can't make the assumption developing countries will develop the same way or that fossil fuels are necessarily the best or fastest way for these countries to develop. The ratio of energy in to out for fossil fuels is now more than the ratio in to out for renewables. The cost of energy is less for renewables so it makes more sense to develop new grids with renewables. Grids for renewables can be localized and also expanded nationally (or even internationally) which gives renewables an advantage for developing areas of the world. You may not be an "EV hater" but you sure do make a lot of assumptions that would suggest otherwise.
Great video John. One more item for ur list is additional tire wear. The tunnel analogy is perfect and very realistic. Accidents happen all the time. What's interesting is that where I live, coastal ferries have specific "Dangerous Goods sailings", public not allowed. Yet dangerous goods are allowed to roar through the tunnel fully surrounded by the general population who are also roaring through the tunnel. What possibly can go wrong? Thanks for your work. Cheers from Canada.
You are a fool if you buy an EV and need to rely on fast charger infrastructure all the time. You always have to consider your lifestyle and charging situation before buying, no news there, it's always been that way. It's like buying a huge RV for your daily commute and complaining you can't park it in your small garage. Horses for courses. My EV costs me practically nothing to charge, almost 100% powered from excess rooftop solar.
You do know that taking out a subscription to the charge network you wish to use, can bring savings of up to 50%? Non-subscribers will pay full price...
according to surveys done in the UK, 60-85% of EV owners charge their cars at home. So for the vast majority, the prices of public charges are mainly irrelevant.
@@zaar2604 NO! Your comment is irrelevent. There are currently only 970K ev owners in the UK. ( government figures) even at if 60 to80 % charge at home that leaves 80,000 ev owners dependenent on public ev chargers at vastly inflated prices and at the mercy of actually finding one that works or finding they have to wait hours to charge. I'd say it was pretty relevent to them! At the moment there are 28.8 million households in the UK according to the UK government office of national statistics and at least a third them which do not have the facilities-off road parking etc to fit a charger. thats literally millions of people who live in properties with no access to parking to charge their vehicles. You arrogantly cite 50-85% of a piddling amount of ev owners to justiful how "great " evs are. Imagine if tomorrow every ice car owner in the UK went and bought an ev....do you think your shiney charger stuck on a wall on your drive will still give you fast charging at 3p per KW.... I'd put a bet on at the nearest bookies on a certainty the national grid would colllapse and the streets would be filled with cars nobody could charge because the grid couldn't support the energy generation. I'd say itsVERY relevent to the 10 million UK households that will be forced into EVs by ev-angelist flag wavers , who DONT have a drive to charge their cars cos they live in terraced houses, appartments , flats and estates that have houses with no actual roads or drives to the houses. I'd say 10 million households and 80,000 current ev owners who cant charge at home might find it very ****** relevent. but you keep smug watching your ev charge on your drive doing 20 miles a week and never having to use a public charger ever.......cos from your reply, you obviously either never use them or are just a smug ev owner dripping in money. You'll be saying next your ev is totally clean and carbon free.
@@Brian-om2hh what if the network you "subscribe to" isnt available on your journey or the chargers are not working ( a regular occurrence in the UK) Do you subscribe to every one of them in the hope you'll find one that works.... and that "Up to " can mean anything. They could knock 5P off per kilowatt and its as meaning ful as an EV manufacturer telling your ev has "Up to" 250 mile range..... It means nothing. If it did, they would say your ev will do a guaranteed milage of 250 miles on a single charge or...we will guarantee you pay 50% less per charge. They dont and they wont.They cover their own asses to stop you and all ev owners saying ....you told me 50% off a kw or you told me my car would do 2540 miles on a charge.....only for them to reply "ahhhh.....well it depends...." And even at current rates at Uk chargers, If you did save 50% on the cost by subscribing- its still 4 times dearer than a home charger..... And lets address the elephant in the room of literally hundreds of thousands of Teslas in the USA now stranded in the cold weather with zero charge who cant charge and EV busses in Canada and Norway which, when they arent thermally cumbusting their lithium batteries are unable to operate because when their batteries arent exploding, they dont like the cold.....oh the irony. Of course the biggest irony of all here where I live in the UK will be when the government cons everyone into evs and finds out theres a huge hole in road fund licence,taxes, vat on gassoline fuel etc and that 3p a KW becomes 3 quid a KW and rising and the insurance on evs shoots up because a percentage of them might explode in spectacular RUD fashion......oh yes thats right, they already do dont they💥 - specially if yours is a BYD or (cough) Tesla ..... and oh yes, how many insurance companies have now decided to charge thousands extra to insure evs-if at all and are now passing the massive risk in insuring evs because of safty issues onto ordinary drivers of ICE vehicles???? EV's are the future........ I doubt it. They dont have one.
@@parkay3560 Yep, overnight all cars will be EVs, the grid will not be upgraded from today onwards and no public chargers will be added from today onwards too. Dude, you live in fanasty world. Take your meds and calm down, and stop being poor as well while you are at it. Smug face over.
It has to be more 3xpens8ve to pay for the cost 9f the charging assets. A single petrol pump can serve between 10 and 20 cars an hour who might also go into the servo to buy an ice-cream, coke or condoms. Ten petrol pumps can serve over a hundred cars an hour. This makes a servo into a viable businesses. A charger can serve one or two customers an hour. Bloody hard to make that work unless you charge a bundle. Then some subsidies are coming off. Here in NZ, the EVs will start paying road user charges in April. That will be around 7cents per km for lighter EVs, more for heavier. In NZ RUC is built into the petrol price. That alone is already 60% 9f the cost of petrol for a small car in NZ.
I was in Te Kuiti last week, one charger at the New World. Someone sat there in 28oC heat playing Sudokhu charging up a Kia EV. A VT (virtuous twat) pulled in ,in.his electric VW (another intelligence test failed) and is then having to wait for probably half an hour just to start charging his VW. I was so happy to have my small ICE vehicle!
The trains we have use a huge turbo diesel or two engines to generate the power for the traction motors. Way better than taxing the grid and having to build more nuke plants to ruin the water table.
So economical they can't operate without massive subsidies. Isn't it odd how airlines do the same job on intercity routes and make a profit whilst paying tax whilst railways need subsidies and generally make a loss.
if only they used regenerative braking and regain the energy from accelleration on stopping to boost trains on the network into motion , it would greatly reduce the cost of powering the network , there would still be resistive losses, heat losses and the cost of friction against the rails of all moving trains to keep moving once started but the capture of braking energy in massive objects like trains full of people would be huge and shouldnt be wasted as heat in the brakes, energy was always so cheap that this never mattered
And from the 1st April , New Zealand is now going to charge ev users road user charges as we pay for in diesel cars trucks etc. it’s roughly $53 per 1000km you have to purchase in advance.
US currently has 200,000 public chargers (mostly slow chargers) and is producing about 5,000 per year. Meanwhile the US has 400,000 gas stations which have 4-6 pumps each on average, and a fill takes 1/6th as long as a 50% recharge at a Tesla supercharger. So the US needs about 4-8 million public chargers that are as good as the Tesla Supercharger or better, meanwhile most of the public chargers actually being installed are 1/10th to 1/4th as fast as a Supercharger. The US is producing 1 million EVs per year, and the "plan" is to replace all 290 million gas vehicles eventually. So the US is currently on pace to do that in 290 years even though the sale of gas vehicles is supposed to be banned in about 12 years. As EVs take over, the fuel tax will fund less and less of road maintenance, and they will have to shift that burden either onto electricity or some other form of taxation. The "smart play" would be to install solar panels on every south facing roof in the world and install slow chargers in every parking space at every workplace, so that solar can gradually charge those EVs throughout the workday while most people are at work, so that the electrical grid has a hope in hell of handling charging demand, but that's still going to be >200 million slow chargers and infinity billion solar panels. Good luck with that!
It has been that way in the uk for years. My Parents have an ev, on road trips they pay 55p to 79p per kWh. My modest Dirty Diesel gets 70mpg easily on a road trip.
I always said that this was going to happen, but I thought that they'd wait until most people had been pushed towards EV before pumping the prices up. I figured they'd just give subsidies to EV charging until then.
I haven't seen this where I live. It could be isolated. If you can charge at home, I would take an EV over an ICE. There are more and more charging options where I live as well. There are free level II charging stations.
Who's they? Most charging happens at home and electricity at home is still significantly cheaper than public chargers (which are mostly used for long distance travelling)
@@santoshrathod123 Tell that to people who found out how harsh winter is on batteries, that over night charging at home wasn't enough, and they still lost power on the way to work the following morning. Luckily a gasoline vehicle's battery gets nuked by winter normally a jump start is all that is required to get it working. EV gets nuke by winter it's dead, literally until it can charge for 4-8 hours at a charging station, ya that is how much slower they charge in winter even at a high speed charging station, now imagine at home?
@@Alte.Kameraden You can now get batteries that are capable of charging from 10 to 80% in about 8 minutes. My car is older and slow for charging but I get get 10 to 80% in about 36 minutes. On an older 50kW charger, it takes about 54 minutes. But I very rarely use a fast charger. There is no need for it. Most people charge at home where the electricity is much cheaper. I pay about ten cents on the dollar to fuel my car for the equivalent range. The solution for longer trips is to get more charging stations so there is scale in building them and an increase in supply.
In the UK, one charging network costs 85p per KW (that's AU$1.63 at current exhange rates). To add insult to injury, they demand a £45 (AU$86) deposit befotre you even plug the car in. If the charger fails to communicate, they charge another £45 to plug in to another charger with no guarantee that one will work either. The remainder of the deposit is eventually refunded if you don't use enough KWh but you're out of pocket in the meantime - not to mention being severely out of pocket for the KWh you do use.
John Interested in an update regarding the proposed battery recycling for spent or damaged batteries. It is my understanding that there is no Lithium ion battery recycling in Aus. and even all the busted cordless power tool batteries are being sent to deep burian as LiP batteries cannot be safely recules without causing a funnaway fire.
I've have never considered an EV for 2 main reasons . 1 They don't have a spare wheel. That's bloody, rediculas . 2 Having to recharge the thing 3 times driving from the Gold Coast to Sydney. 😊
For the short inner-city drives you'd be better off with a phev than a full EV if you are also (often) do longer trips of say more than 150km. You get clean inner-city driving. Whilst also having the range flexibility of a gas powered car. And they save on the expensive batteries too. And those smaller packs ought to be cheaper and easier to replace.
Exactly my thinking. My next new car will likely be an outlander phev, get the best of both worlds. I would only be doing about 30km each day for work and then the odd longer trip every couple of weeks. And I'm regional Victoria. With the current electric range of around 70-80km, I would probably be lucky to go through 1 tank of fuel a month.
Yet again a great vid. Perfect numbers. My wife owns a 2020 Mazda 3 GT (manual) and I get 6.9l/100kms on the Lawson to 'bra trip and we do it several times a year.
This reminds me of LPG in some ways, a flurry of new LPG installs and factory LPG cars and the bandwagon is rolling strong, then after a few years the price jacks up so high that people start removing LPG systems, LPG only cars go to scrap as they lost almost all resell value. Now days, servos are far less inclined to have an LPG bowser, especially regionally.
Doesn't 68% of Australias energy come from fossil fuels. You might not be using petrol in your EV, though there's a 68% chance the energy is comming from fossil fuels
It was to be expected, honestly (electricity being more costly now, then oil derivatives). They have to sçréw you over, somewhere. That's just a part of the game, in any sector. Edit: Stop burning?! If you happened to be a pyromaniac, you'll feel excluded, therefore discriminated. NOT inclusive at all!
If we stop burning things, we can include about 40-50% of the population not eating tomorrow, or the day after and pretty much for the rest of their dying in agony lives Fuel runs agriculture and without modern farming becomes 'we are the world' Ethiopia in the 1980's
Approximate 'price parity' for the Tesla and Mazda when they reach Canberra. However, I presume the Tesla needs to be off-line charging for some considerable time whereas the Mazda probably still has gas in the tank ... even if empty, it will take about 5 minutes to fill for its return drive to Sydney.
Hi ,JC watched a story the other day about EV charging in England the cost was 85 British pence per kilowatt hour, a limit of 2 hours , afterwards extra fees applied, no amount specified , to charge the vehicle would take approximately 5 hours. Old JC
You know what? 20 years after the petrol car was invented you bought your petrol from the chemist in a glass bottle...!!! You drove your Model T on unmade dirt roads that were built for horses and buggies - because THAT is how progress works.
true, if I didn't have off street parking and a chargepoint at home, I would probably not own an EV. But since I do have both, an EV is a no brainer cost wise.
@@zaar2604 too early to call it a no brainer ... still many costings that are yet to come into consideration with EV. Battery Replacement, Depreciation .. other repair costs long term .. none of those are known for the majority of vehicles outside of a Tesla .. and if the big car rental companies say they are not cost effective to own for a hire fleet .. then there are obviously some considerations for owners depending on their usage requirements.
Tesco and Sainsbury’s are entering the EV charging market in a big way, expect big growth in the number and quality of the charging they have. As with petrol, these supermarkets don’t care so much about profit on fuel, they want you in the shop. I can see charging prices starting to drop in 2025. Although most big UK companies have gone ultra-capitalist in the past 5 years, and they are making higher margins by screwing the public more than in the past.
@@alanakafang6143 battery replacement, even today there are many first gen leaf's out there with their original, passively cooled, tiny size batteries. Contrast that to a modern actively cooled battery with more sophisticated battery chemistry and battery management system.
I agree with you on this one. most rapid chargers in the UK are now charging 79p per KW. Some charge 85p or even 98p. Part of the reason is the government charges 20% vat. Charging at home vat is 5% But in the main as with everything they are charging what they can get away with. But now EVs have much greater range charging mainly at home on an EV tariff 7.5pence per KW. Of course Tesla charges around 45/50p per KW. Fuel costs in the UK are unstable and liable to go much higher thanks to the shipping attacks, or that will be the excuse used.
In Sweden Fuel prices goes down and down. Diesel and Petrol feels really cheap now (17.5sek / liter) (1,33 GBP) meanwhile Electricity is expensive. If you pay more than 0,38 GBP per kWh, its cheaper to drive the ICE car.
This video makes it sound like EV drivers are stupid and only ever use rapid chargers at premium prices. I'm a British guy living in France and have owned an EV since 2019. If I had a really efficient fossil fuel car which averaged 50 mpg all year I would have spent €2,000 to do the 21,000 km I did last year. I spent in fact €315 on public charging when on long trips and the rest was home charging, a little bit at the supermarket and two nights at hotels where overnight charging was free. Even without the solar panels offsetting my home charging it would only have added €450 to my annual electricity bill. There is just no way in the real world use that an EV is more expensive to run than a fossil car...but I guess its a good clickbait title for a video if you want lots of clicks.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Your use case fits/allows for the limitations on EV, most peoples' do not. Being forced into poorer tech by communist inspired central planners is the main issue with the dumbass 'electric revolution'. Also WHAT is a 'fossil car'?
Excellent work john. Pricing petrol and electric cars to cbr. I now wonder about how much more your electricity bill is for plugging in your ev. With electricity prices through the roof
Annual registration to match that of a petrol engine vehicle too. Though, if you ask me, both costs should be higher considering the impact they (EVs) have on infrastructure such as roading, due to their weight. One example is a comparison to my diesel BMW 7 series, which weighs in at 2.1 ton - compared to an Electric Kia EV6 (or is it EV9, can't recall) but anyway, weighs in at 2.6 ton. Even if we compared SUV to SUV - Kia EV6/9, and BMW X7d, the big diesel BMW SUV is still lighter. As far as I'm concerned, even though it's a step in the right direction, the charges laid upon vehicles is out of proportion.
Push starting my old car saved me twice many, many years ago. Once when my battery died because of a dead alternator, and once because my starter motor died. Both times were late at night after a long shift at work!
I drive from Melbourne to Brisbane monthly and have done it in a Tesla model 3 and in my 2019 Tucson. Starting off with a full tank I refuel once at Dubbo and refill at Brisbane, driving time of roughly 20 hours at a cost of around $210. Same in Model 3 was about 30 hours at a cost of around $325. When the temp drops i was using roughly 30% more electrons and going through the hills used almost 40% more. When i wrote this on another Tesla fan boy site i was called a lot of names but facts are facts.
People take their consumer choices seriously. It is as if you are telling them their child is shit at maths. There are drawbacks with all the ways to turn potential energy into mechanical energy, but dare to point out that the thing they have spent all that money on has flaws and you are going to get some defensive kick back. I have a hybrid but it has drawbacks as does diesel, petrol. My primary reasons for liking my hybrid is the transmission and low down pull they can have but floor the thing and it gets noisy and drinks petrol like any equivalent powered car. All people have done when buying a car is pass a large amount of money to someone it does not make them wiser than anyone else.
If like the UK a large tax is collected on fuel, when there is a significant number of EV s on the road the government will start to tax your electricity for your car.
You are completely correct on the cost of running an EV. I saw a study recently from the UK where cost per mile was the same for EVs as for ICEs. I do believe that this was for home charging but am not sure about that. If that is the case, then it would be even more using public charging. Several years ago, i wrote a short article for an engineering magazine comparing the five-year cost of running an EV vs a similarly sized ICE. At that time the cost per gallon of gasoline in the US was much higher than it is today at over $4. I also did not include the cost of charging. I also did not include the increased cost of insurance for EVs. The ICE was cheaper to run.
Simple economics. The market will bear the current cost of owning and operating ICE vehicles. Therefore any new entrant to the market will simply adopt that as their cost as well. Combined with government mandates, there's not any reason to be cheaper, in fact there is the intangible benefit of "saving the planet". How much do you suppose that's worth?
@@karlm9584 The point is that not a lot of people are buying them. In the US we have over 250M light vehicles (cars and pickup trucks). About 18M are sold per year. Do the math. If 100% of new cars were electric, it would take about 15=20 years or so to replace the whole stock. The current percentage of EVs sold in the US is just under 10%. Considering the upfront costs and the cost to run, this is unlikely to increase by a lot. In fact, the momentum of EV sales growth has decreased. The cost to run will not come down. If full adoption of EVs became a reality, the cost of electricity would skyrocket, making them even more expensive to run. Oh, and as for that saving the planet stuff, the newly added electricity capacity would also have to be green. Have you looked at the financial woes of the companies developing wind farms on the US east coast lately?
@@louisgiokas2206 agree, not many people are buying them yet. But they are pretty much mandated. The point was that there is nothing really keeping the costs of EV at the same level or less than that of ICE. If all you can buy (new) in 2030 is EV then tough. Also I predict the price of petrol to sky-rocket as EVs erode demand for petrol, much the same way as falling electricity demand, both residential and industrial, is causing prices to spike - electricity companies still need to turn a profit, petrol refineries still need to turn a profit, and if you don't have alternatives then be prepared to pay up.
The auto market is rapidly transitioning to EVs. The percentage of EVs in the new car market was 42% in China and 25% in Europe in November 2023, and I expect that those percentages will be 50% and 30% in 2024. By 2030, the market for new ICE vehicles will be dead in most parts of the world, and that should be obvious to anyone paying attention to how the price of EV batteries is falling. The switch to LFP batteries, gigacasting, 48V components, 800V motors/batteries, ethernet and CAN data buses will keep cutting costs, so EVs will soon be cheaper than ICEVs.
Sounds like their naming conventions are similar to that of usb, I can’t wait for ultra fast gen 3.2 2x2 😂 6:53. John has just been proven correct by a video 1hr ago from car expert.
A friend on mine sent this to me a year ago: " I did the figures for driving an electric tesla from Sydney to Brisbane and also driving my 15 year old Toyota corolla !!!! 1. Toyota corolla gets 8 litres per 100kms on the highway so at 1000kms and at about $1,80 per litre thats $144 plus any rest break meals drinks etc and you can drive it in 9.5 to 10 hours on the pacific Hwy. 2. Tesla model 3 uses 137kws per 500kms times 2 = 274kwh at 69 cents per KWH at Ampol service stations is $189.06 per 1000kms and add 5 cents per km for road tax that's $50, that's $240 plus overnight accommodation while your battery charges as fast charges take well over 2 hours to charge an almost empty battery and lets not forget waiting for other cars !!,,,, why bother !!!!!! oh, and a new tesla battery every 5 years is !!!!! $26000 yep why bother !!! 3. all of the above is as close to correct as I can find on the net from quite a few sources plus from what a few electic car owners have told me."
Why bother with myths like a new battery every 5 years? And while you count batteries, you don't count oil changes, transmission and engine changes, both far more frequent.
It's a lot more here in the UK at public charging points Rapid chargers are typically found in motorway service stations and range from being free to one of the more expensive ways to charge. Most network rapid chargers cost 74p/kwh which is about £19 for 30 minutes of charging (as of May 2023).22 Nov 2023
Don't forget that state governments are just gagging to charge EV owners $2.50 per 100km of travel. They've tried before and will try again. It's guaranteed. Right now small diesel cars make a whole lot of sense (if you can find one), or a hybrid. As for me, I would charge an EV at home, off solar. Right now I get just 5c/kWh FIT, so the car would charge at that price. Mmm.
I notice you were kind in your ROI comparison by not including the financing costs of the extra $20k for an EV or the opportunity cost of not outting $20k into government bonds if paying "cash" was an option.
Just ticked over 10k kms in my model Y. Have spent $10 charging once while on a family road trip. Otherwise all at home off solar, forgoing 8c a kw feed in tariff and the occasional top up on a slow charger at a car park or shops if there is one available and free. Don’t claim it suits everyone’s needs, but it’s good for our family city usage.
Here in the UK it's roughly about £1.40 for every litre of petrol. Around £0.85 is tax. Fuel duty then VAT added to the cost of petrol AND fuel duty. Electric charging is around £0.79 on public EVSE's for every kw. Electricity only has VAT on the cost. No fuel duty. That means electricity is way more expensive than petrol if you can't charge at home.
Hey John . This evening Townsville local news ran a story on diesel engines being sold brand new must meet Euro 6 emission standards. The Federal Transport Minister, Catherine King has said, " Existing vehicle models will only be affected by the new standards in 2028. The December 2025 date will only apply to newly approved vehicle models supplied for the first time after that date." So my question is, does that mean that all of us who have a vehicles that are E5, will all become unroadworthy as at 1 July 2028. There is no clarification on the matter, is there any chance that you may be able to shed some light on this catastrophic freedom destroying Communist Government descision? I would love to know where exactly this decision takes us 4x4 enthusiasts. Thanks John.
If charging an EV is no cheaper than fuel that surely removes one of the biggest reasons for buying one. A lot of people are already having second thoughts about buying an EV after seeing all those battery fires. The reasons to buy an EV seem to be evaporating.
@@EEVblog A vast number of people don't have roof top solar or even a parking space to be able to home charge...that was one of the main points of this vid. If those aspects are criteria for owning an EV then that just adds to the list of reasons not to buy one. There are many affordable EV's on the market so I don't know what you mean by "the lifestyle to support it".
Home charging with solar - that's the only way I would do EV ownership. If the future is electric then we need more hydro and nuclear power to handle the load when the sun goes down and the wind doesn't blow. But battery tech will also need to improve dramatically as going from solar -> home battery -> EV is inefficient and expensive long term, never mind for those who desire a 100% off-grid installation. EV pack replacements will also need to be factored into the cost - will owning a 20yo EV even be feasible or do they become throwaways if packs can no longer be replaced/rebuilt.
So autoexpert. I just completed a road trip Gold Coast to Sydney and back with a model y standard range. Clocked 2200km all up including sight seeing Using only fast chargers it cost me $235. I’m pretty happy with that. My diesal Ute would cost me over $400
And you have the maths that shows how much extra damage to roads and bridges these 30 to 70 percent heavier vehicles cause. You do and you will show it here. Or stop writing BS
@@theairstig9164 Why show the maths for the extra damage? The point is still valid, there is extra damage due to increased mass. I think that is how they structure Aussie registration prices for ICE. Although it is based on number of cylinders? Rather than vehicle weight.....
@@subwayfacemelt4325 I believe it's combination of vehicle weight, C02 output and initial cost of the car. I pay $550 a year for my diesel Fiesta because it weighs 1200kg-ish and does 60MPG (would love to know what a Caterham 170 costs in rego; 3cyl Suzuki engine making 84HP and 440kg weight).
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sorry i did not explain properly the very cold weather in the usa is causing lots of problems with range and charging its total chaos cars taking hours to charge much longer than normal and the range is terrible people are really angry testla not helping
This was so predictable, I thought it would come as a tax or electricity price hike or both 😂 Just in the base price, if I save 15k on buying a car then that is paying for a lot of fuel/service and my diesel car will last twice as long as a Tesla.
Tons and tons of ice vehicles run for far longer than that. There are thousands and thousands of diesel trucks on the road with well over 1600000kms on them, and they won't ever have to spend a flat 20-60 thousand to replace a battery.
The market will find the fair price eventually. If a supplier is creaming it they are inviting opposition in. One factor influencing the price of petrol is the thousands of EVs already on the road, and the millions of EVs the oil industry is trying to delay the introduction of in the future. So the introduction of EVs is inevitably going to lower the price of petrol. These are early days. Even in Australia with their plentiful coal, renewable electricity is lowering the price of electricity to the point that coal fired stations are being closed down when the time comes for serious maintenance.
I pay 11 cents/kwh at home. @ an avg 3.5miles/kwh in my model 3 that's about 3 cents a mile. No ICE/hybrid can touch that in price, efficiency, or performance. Believe wat u want on the internet but that's my real life experience.
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When it comes to intelligence insulting, I do deserve it...and I'm one of the good ones because at least I have recognised that.
I doubt Manscaped is your only sponsor. You started shitting on EVs lately. I liked and agreed with you when you were pointing out Electric Jesus followers. But it seems most traditional car manufacturers lost the race for EV tech and pumping a lot of money on influencers to try to put EVs down. You are definitely one of them. MANSCAPED is evolution and so are EVs. People who have access to a normal AC plug at the parking spot should consider buying EVs. The ones that also have solar installed definitely are. All the others will have to wait. But the ones that buy them will finance the evolution and eventually everyone will have access to good infrastructure.
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It's crazy that they told us here in California that they'd give us discounts and make charging EVs cheaper than gas and/or free if we bought EVs, and now they want to tax the EVs more than gas cars, and make it more expensive to own them, so glad I plan to hold onto my 91 Geo Prizm as long as possible
Politicians being untrustworthy is a global constant.
And you believe the California government!!!!
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What a joke !!!
They can’t lie straight in bed !!!
Only problem with that. Is Newsome now wants to ban older gas cars. Good luck with your transportation if you live in California. Your damned if you do and damned if you don’t..
Just wait until they start to feel the tax loss of gasoline/ petroleum and then replace it with some other tax on the Ev. Bend over and insert your charger, just remember to lube up first, cause it’s going to hurt!
This is a point I made when the whole ev movement started... Yes they're going to be cheaper now because of all the government incentives... Paying zero taxes then was just a sweetener. But these taxes still need to be paid, and as each ice car is replaced by electric car, government revenue from taxes drops. At some point someone is going to have to start making up for that shortfall... And it's going to be the electric car owner. Just imagine how much it's going to cost the EV owner when the fuel duty on petrol and diesel has to be passed on to ALL electric charging... INCLUDING home charging.
I am old enough to remember when it was claimed that Nuclear Power would make electricity so cheap that it would not be worth metering it! In the UK 54% of the petrol pump price is tax. At some point, the government is going to have to switch to getting that tax revenue some other way.
Too cheap to meter is a trope. The person quoted was Lewis L Strauss in 1954. He was saying this was a goal for the children of the future. Not that it could or should happen
It has been the unspoken UK government policy for decades to eventually exclude a large percentage of the population from private vehicle ownership. Many years ago, they ditched the requirement for new apartment builds to include 2 parking spaces for every dwelling. Local councils came up with complicated calculation criteria, that can result in new apartment developments having fewer parking spaces than apartments. Or even no onsite parking at all.
Maybe, but Nuclear was still touted for decades afterwards, as a cheap and clean way of generating electricity. Until they stopped ignoring the cost of nuclear waste disposal. @@theairstig9164
The UK Government has already decided to go with a system of Road Tolls to replace lost and diminishing fuel duty. The tax burden will move from fuel to actual road *usage*
@@corringhamdepot4434 Excluding a large percentage of the population from private vehicle ownership would leave massive shortfalls in taxation. It would also mean many millions of people would be put out of work. How would either of these scenarios be in anyway beneficial or advantageous to a Government?
Not only will the electricity cost keep rising but at some point a road charge will apply.
Yup, EVs are just stepping stones to making private transportation unattractive and force the proles onto public transport or into xxx minute ghettos.
It's already in effect in Victoria 2.8 cents per km but there was some court case about it, Not sure if it got scrapped but expect that to happen in future and increase indefinitely anyway.
No way they will let EV's not pay any tax for road use.
@@ShaneMcGrath.That was canned the court said the state couldn't do it
Yep, anybody who thinks the government will continue to forego the excise on fuel without recouping it in other ways are quite likely to buy the lovely bridge I have for sale
@@timjohnun4297 of course thats why Victoria lost in court and the court specifically said the state couldn't impliment this tax leaving it wide open to be done on a federal level
Was minus 40 in Alberta last night.. they were worried about the grid keeping up.. imagine adding 300000 EVs plugged in last night.
In the UK I've noticed that a lot of companies are giving their staff no option but to choose an EV. My father is a big believer in Hybrids, but has had his hand forced into having an EV, and had to pay at personal expense to have the charger fitted to his house. His company has even adopted electric vans for the fleet of mobile engineers. But there are no charge points for them to use on the sites they work, so they have to charge them at home, and when compared to the diesel vans they previously had (which used company paid fuel cards) they have company funded electric charge points cards, but if they charge the vans at home they get no reimbursement for the cost. As Rowan Atkinson said (not a direct quote) they're a great idea, and if you only do city driving and have the means to charge them at home safely... then perfect...but for the majority of people the technology just isn't there yet.
Always amazed me that people here in the UK were oblivious to the fact that most of what they pay for petrol and diesel is tax, while (at least, until a few years ago) there was 20% VAT on electricity. So we're at the mercy of both the cartels that sell us both AND government when it comes to what we end up paying for either.
Livestock and harvests.....................
In the states, we used to rely on petrol tax sold to cars for building roads. We haven't increased the tax for 30 years here in Wisconsin, but we keep building roads, not sure where the money comes from to build roads now days.
Not just VAT on petrol and diesel. First you have DUTY (Tax) . Then you pay VAT on the total fuel cost and DUTY, so we pay a tax on tax FFS!
Just wait till the technology is forced in until there is no point of return - the government is sure to introduce a tax to replace the loss of revenue from taxing petrol.
As the controlling jewlers forbid the use of the aether and pollute our skies and air while screaming climate change.
Here in Vancouver Canada, a Canadian Tire store (big chain automotive and hardware, etc) had a sign at the road: "Free oil change for Tesla vehicles" and there was a line up of cars waiting to be laughed at.
wait till you tell them that they have coolant for their motors & batteries. 😬
I’d say the tyre store are the stupid ones as Teslas run oil in their drive motors and also have oil filters just like an ICE car. I would demand they source the parts and change them 😂
What about the differential oil?@@dunny614278
Well, its better than taking your EV in for a service and getting a line item on your bill for an oil change.
Just goes to show these people have absolutely no idea about vehicles they're just societies suckers 😂
The sad thing is that your Home electricity cost is also going sky high, you know to help with the cost of this new enforced EV implementation
Solar panels.... They can charge both your EV and your home too...
@@Seventh7Artnot at night when the sun don't shine and you are getting home from work
@@J-P88 Guess what: When the sun doesn't shine, your solar panels have already stored a lot of energy in the batteries that are connected to them... Energy storage is a thing that exists... All you need is an adequate amount of solar panels, an inverter, batteries and the necessary accessories like cables etc. It's not a big deal and in the long run, the money you saved from gas stations and power bills for your home will pay the cost of the solar system.
@@Seventh7Art 2 doors down my neighbour got solar panels, an ev charging point and a brand new ev at a premium price. So far this winter the solar panels have not produced enough electricity to charge a toothbrush and he is paying through the nose to charge his car.
I asked him recently if he was saving any money out of this huge capital investment he borrowed money to have installed.
The reply was he wish I had not done it, the car value has tanked, it doesn't go very far when it's cold and he will NEVER SAVE A SINGLE PENNY ON HIS INVESTMENT. It's one of those investments that come good in the 25th year. Unfortunately the car will not last long or the solar panels. And now he has to pay people to go on his roof to clean them.
@@thehairygolfer So far this winter the solar panels have not produced enough electricity to charge a toothbrush? Whatever you say, Jack. I call BS. Your story is as much realistic as Snow White.
On 7 news SA they showed a car website drove 2 bmws from victoria to nsw, one was an EV, the other an ICE. The ICE was cheaper (running premium unleaded) than the EV, and completed the journey 2 hours faster.
I suspect that the vast majority of car driving is not between Melbourne and Sydney using public chargers. Is the test quoted the one that charged the car to 100% thus making the charging time as long as possible and is it the same test that used the dearest charging network, or am I thinking of different test?
Flying around the world telling people to stop burning stuff. You just can’t write this crap.
It's funny as far as, he is burning stuff in order to do that, but it's not interesting if the critique is "you're pro saving the planet, yet you drive and fly... curious!" (which wasn't John's point). Because, "we live in a society" etc. etc. Just the exact wording in this case is dumb and funny due to how absolute it is.
Apparently all the charging companies in the US are losing money and if they dont raise their prices ( which is already 100% markup) they will all be going broke!!
Good riddens to bad rubbish i say!!
I'm not surprised. Why pay 79p KWh in the UK at a public charger when I can charge all day for free with my Zappi charger and my solar panels or 7.5p KWh overnight at home on my own driveway. Rip off prices.
@@Rexbilly9819Yeah I'm sure your panels were free too right 😂?
I'm pretty sure that Tesla is not losing money on its Superchargers, and it charges the lowest rates of the charging networks and has the highest reliability of its chargers. Since Tesla manufactures its own chargers at lower costs than the competition and has the most volume of customers, it wins with economies of scale. Once all the EV brands are able to charge at Superchargers, Tesla is going to take over the charging market.
@@MattM-oe6qs Solar panels payback is less than 5 years in most places with reasonable sun, so yes almost free...
John you've got a real Brother in Arms!! ... MGUY Australia.
it's happen all over the world .I live in Austria now there is literally a ques for charging EV's not to mention that twice i had problem with my brothers car not starting up due to cold conditions...I brought my self a old Audi a5 2010 model which is currently been checked up by friend mechanic.
Here in the UK petrol is around £1.39p per lite and 53p of that is tax! But its still way cheaper than public charging your EV - most high speed public chargers like Instavolt can be around 73p per KWhr. My sons Tesla will cost around £53 to charge for less than 190 miles , my 1.3L Turbo petrol costs £62 for around 450 miles - you do the math.
On a trip to northern Spain it cost me around £160 in fuel , his Tesla well over £300 and took him an extra 9 hours ( my trip was only 15 hours in total) so a return journey would burn through nearly 20 hours of his holiday sitting at charging points either getting baked in 35c sun or getting soaked. Without going into detail I would not want to spend 20 hours sitting in various charging stations surrounded by interesting characters who have decended on europe from various shit holes.
You've not heard of charge network subscriptions then? My local charge network is priced at 38p per kwh, if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer....
Probably marginally better than spending 20 hours at below zero in the dark; or a fair bit longer than 20 hours due to using the heater and the cold weather causing range reduction
Do these charging points have toilets?.
@@Brian-om2hhimagine having to subscribe to a petrol station!!!!!!
The counter arguments FOR electric vehicles are comedy gold.
@@Brian-om2hh Rubbish , try that when traveling the country , have you heard of travelling unrestricted? Oh yes like you had with ICE , EV 's and public charging are a farce , bad for you , bad for the planet .
@@cornishhh You bring your own toilet ,it's called an EV as normally full of shit :)))
Here in NZ, as of April 1st you'll have to pay per kilometre road tax on EVs, the same as for diesel vehicles. Even plug in hybrids will incur NZD$53/1000km
Maths on my Kia Rio ICE. 13c/km on fuel. If electric, 7.6c/km for road user charges. Add electricity to that. For me an EV just wouldn't make any financial sense
That's correct and in Australia a tax per kilometre will be brought in sooner or later to offset excise lost on petrol so this will only make owning a EV a crazy proposition.
The most hilarious aspect is the plug in hybrids. Most people don't actually charge them, and they don't go far on the battery. On long trips they actually use more gas than conventional, because of the extra weight, so assuming they use the same as your equivalent conventional vehicle, that's an extra 5.3c added to your 13c, making it quite possibly the most expensive vehicle to drive of them all. At that point you might as well save money and by a 15 year old V8 and have some actual fun driving.
Cant help but wonder if our new government had already predicted that EV running cost will escalate in the near future so they have included rosd users to slow EV take up and less NZers get shafted. the electricity grid is so outdated it is a ridiculous dream our network could possibly cope with any future demand. Remember that during peak winter evening consumption our system has failed and created blackouts then to go and add EV charging to peak consumption is not realistic. All that's going to happen is domestic electricity cost will skyrocket and increase your cost of living for the benefit of a few self proclaimed climate saving pretenders.
@adssco120 I'm inclined to agree with you. The cost of installing the chargers is also astronomical. Other issues with EVs include the lack of reliability, serviceability and range, the abysmal resale value, and the fact that replacing the batteries costs more than most people will ever spend buying a whole car. Over the next few years, the EV market is going to collapse. Already charger companies are going bust and manufacturers are having to cancel their manufacturing plans and scale back production. It's arguable that we have already reached market saturation, and many buyers are offloading their purchases. That includes huge companies like Hertz, but also many private EV owners. It's a failed experiment, it was rushed with not a lot of thought given to how it was going to work in practice. Also insurance is going to become a problem, and it's likely regulations will follow due to their propensity to turn into hazmat infernos that can't be put out. Personally I'm just going to watch it with popcorn in hand.
@diecastb yeh about the same price as petrol per km. Assuming about $2.60/L of fuel which could change though. The big thing is that for approximately the same petrol vs electric cost, with my Kia Rio I didn't have the extra purchase cost of the EV
Another EV bonus is don’t get a dent in the casing of your battery. If you do, you’ll have to replace it.
Nonsense. There are already independent EV specialists in the UK who can repair damaged battery packs. Where do you get this misinformed crap from? They remove the damaged cell(s) and replace them.
@@Brian-om2hhand how much does it cost for this regular SERVICING?
@@Malpriorvids I found one in WOrthing that repair and replace batteries. They don't quote a price which means it's fuck off expensive. You could probably buy a nice low mileage car for the price. The Hyundai can cost as much as £48,000 to replace. Battery and labour plus vat.
@@Brian-om2hh Give Satan's car company a call, and tell them you've just run over a Jaffa Cake in your Shit Box 3, which left a dent in the battery casing. See what they say. I guarantee it will be something along the lines of "you need a whole new traction battery sir, at $27,000 for the part, plus labour for fitting".
say goodbye to your fast charging bud, also battery packs are no longer service-able, unless you buy a custom pack, *you know a whole new pack* @Brian-om2hh
In rural Adelaide cost is 40c off peak & $1 peak per KW.
A few years ago we looked at the Hyundai Kona, comparing petrol and EV variants. We test drove the EV (my first and, so far, only ever drive of an EV). I found the smooth acceleration from zero revs to be awesome. We are retired and so could recharge an EV using our rooftop solar panels (most of the time). The EV variant was about $20,000 more than the equivalent petrol version.
However driving a relatively fuel efficient vehicle, like the petrol Kona, around town would, in all probability, cost us less than $2,000 per year. So, chances are, we would never have broken even financially. If we did at all, it would be well after 10 years and when the vehicle is approaching end-of-life.
The CO₂ break even calculation, we decided was just too difficult. We didn't have enough information (like the difference in CO₂ emissions in the manufacture of the two vehicles) to make a sensible decision.
So, needless to say, we didn't buy the EV (even though we were in, pretty much, the perfect position to make good use of an EV).
Live in Connecticut USA, we / wife bought a PHEV this past fall (the rebate made it cheaper than the gas only version 🤷♂), the cost of charging AT HOME is equivalent to roughly $4.35/gal (assuming best reasonable range / kWh, aka not winter or highway). Charging at virtually every single non-free public charger is around twice that price or more. It's quite literally cheaper per mile for me to somewhat aggressively drive my 505hp gas high performance vehicle than to charge her PHEV compact SUV at a public level 2 charger.
It's not very different in NY. Yet , my electricity provider and the state are constantly contacting me about the virtues of EV ownership. In the meanwhile my 2024 Jetta gets nearly 50 mph on the highway
WTF are you paying per kWhr? $0.80/kwhr? That would amount to the most expensive electricity I have ever seen. I get about 1/10th the cost of gas. That is $1500/month for a typical house.
@@yodaiam1000 nope, works out to about $0.29 / kWh when you include all the delivery fees taxes and everything else. 15.5kWh battery pack gets 30-32 mi on a full charge, or ~2mi / kWh, or ~$4.49 for a full charge, without factoring in efficiency losses. Coincidentally it also gets about 30mpg on the gasoline engine, so a full charge is almost exactly equal to one gallon of gas.
@@fpnbrian That is an inefficient range on the battery power. Is it a large car? We get twice the range in the middle of winter and 2.5 times in summer.
Your gas mileage is really good for a larger car. Probably because you have regen braking.
We are pretty lucky. Our electricity is about $0.07/kWhr in USD. I am not from the US so I converted the dollar figure. Our gas varies from $4.5/gal to $6.7/gal depending on the time of year etc. So EVs make a lot of sense for us. Electricity is more stable in price as well.
@@yodaiam1000 compact SUV PHEV, and a pretty common efficiency from what I've seen. Your probably only looking at the electricity generation fee, and ignoring the rest of the costs you pay for getting it to the house. I've seen many people here make the same mistake when calculating their cost to charge at home. My generation fee is roughly half the total cost I pay for the electricity, the rest is various delivery fees and taxes and whatnot.
Hey John. Wanna know something hilarious. Some knob with a Tesla moved into my street. Comes and knocks on my door the other day asking me to move my car from outside his house so he can charge. I politely said “I’m going out shortly however nobody here owns these public spaces. If I can choose others (I prefer of course the space outside my own house!) I’ll park elsewhere. But if the space outside your place is the only one available, I will park there and I won’t move till I need my car next. Your charging needs are not the concern of the street”. I was firm, but very polite and respectful. He called me unreasonable. Ha. The entitlement.
you're not the asshole. :) He should have thought about where he was going to charge an EV before he signed the finance form.
Another woke entitled loser
@@BlokeOnAMotorbikethank you. It’s remaining status quo, I will always park outside my own house because well, naturally that’s where I wanna park! If it’s not free, I park wherever is left. Nobody gets to claim any park, we are all wanting one. If it was my long term neighbour sure. But we have all lived here many, many years and some new guy comes in trying to tell us it’s his park now 😂
He has a charger on the road? Lmfao. People should only have an EV if they own a garage. That rules out many renters, housemates, from owning one.
I service petrol stations and twice recently had Tesla drivers park next to the working dispenser’s whilst half the site was O/O/A to go into the shop whilst paying customers had to wait for these arrogant A holes. Didn’t they get some abuse from the customers and myself.
Charge at home at off peak rates, like most people are about to do, and everything changes. You're looking at about $15 to fully charge an 80kw battery and that will get the typical driver 400-500ks. My 2013 Pulsar does about 350-400 on a "tank" (45L) and currently costs about $95-$105 to fill.
From my power provider. 2 emails.
1. Charge your EV at 8c/kWh from 24:00-06:00
2. Join the savers club. Get $10 rebate if you reduce your energy usage when we send you a SMS. This will happen at peak loads.
Now, remember the incentive for solar panels?
I'm now down to 4.9c/kwh.
You know already what will happen to that 8c incentive.
It's very true. I don't know why people buying EV don't calculate the run cost before buying?
The simple calculation I heard for a long time is 25KW worth power for 100km, and the cost of 1kw electricity at home is around 35-40 cents. If we take the lowest price in calculation with supply cost, then around 50 cents minimum for 1KW and hence for 4 KM range, which gives $12.50 for 100km. This is the bare minimum cost we can apply at the lowest possible electricity rate in Australia.
This seems marginally cheaper than petrol but it is a matter of time when it will overtake it, to make petrol cost cheaper!
BTW, Diesel is still cheaper than all in every aspect.
You and me old people should stick together, thanks for making me laugh. I needed it.
Agree with John, for lots of people EVs make a heap of sense. If you mostly drive long distances at high speeds and can't charge at home, then an EV isn't for you. For the average Australian urban driver an EV will save them lots, especially if they can charge at home. I drive around town mostly and occasionally interstate or to the coast. For me an EV saves me about 50% of the equivalent petrol cost. Ownership costs are better too for the EV, especially when you consider the fbt savings if you are leasing. Like all big purchases it makes sense to do the sums prior to purchasing. For lots of people an EV will make a heap of sense, but for many it won't. Everyone should be allowed to buy what suits them best without having to pick a side in a stupid culture war. I drive an EV and also love Summernats. Best to keep an open mind and do the sums to pick the car that works best for you.
True, Government subsidies do make EV’s almost economic sense for some people some times and in some places when they can charge at home during the day from rooftop solar. Until the batteries need replacing or it gets cold or you need to run the ac. Tough luck for the rest of us taxpayers funding your virtue. Until the Gov runs out of our money.
The problem is that you aren't looking at how the world is changing. There was a 55% increase in the number of public charging stations worldwide in 2022, so it will soon be the case that it will be easier to find a charging station than a gasoline station for your car. For example, there are already 9 states in the US where there are more public charging stations than gasoline stations, and I expect that will be the case everywhere within the next 5 years. The charging time for EVs is dropping so quickly that charging time also won't be an issue. It now takes 25 minutes to fast charge a Tesla Model 3/Y Standard Range from 10% to 80% of its battery capacity. CATL (which produces 37% of global EV batteries) introduced its Qilin batteries in 2022 and its Shenxing batteries in 2023 which support 4C charging, so they can charge from 10% to 80& in 15 minutes. Once 4C charging becomes the norm in the next couple years, most people are going to want to switch to EVs, because their cost per km is 1/3 of the cost of petrol if home charging and 50% less if DC fast charging at Tesla Superchargers. By 2030, we will have 5-10 minute DC fast charging and the average selling price of EVs will be less than ICEVs, so almost nobody will want to buy a new ICEV.
@@amosbatto3051 you obviously do not listen to actual facts living the EV evangelist dream... I do not understand where people like you get off spewing this nonsense is someone actually paying you to lol.
@@stilllooking7996what EV subsidies are available?? I want to know as I have an EV and don’t currently get any government subsidies. Rebate finished end of 2023… are you just referring to lack of fuel excise tax?
@@colinburrows4859 FBT, luxury car tax, amongst others. Do some research. Try googling reasons to buy ev’s. And they can keep the house warm in winter. In fact all year round! Plus all the Government subsidies and grants and exemptions from planning laws and fees to upgrade the power network and pollution laws for their diesel generators the investors get to install ev mobile bbq, I mean charging stations.
Back here in the old country, I opted for a petrol engined tipo estate. On a trip to Bristol it averaged 52 miles per gallon that is on a 300 mile trip. Did it without having to refuel on the way.
When I was a kid I knew and aerospace engineer from Chicago--he was always pissed off at the glaring stupidity around him. Now I am an engineer and I know just how he felt in 1968 . Maybe nothing changes at all.
Yep that's me too. Engineer in a sea of stupid.
I'm not even an engineer and am baffled at the amount of stupid 'experts' spew.
haha, I love it. Im an engineer and people always tell me i have low tolerance for stupid
The MacMaster was paying 85 pence per KWH the other day on a run here in the UK filling his Taycan (cannot recall the charging company). That's AUD1.64 Blam!
I drive my Tesla a lot. It’s really enjoyable. I very, very rarely stop to charge. Every few hours I stop for a toilet break, a coffee, maybe a snack. While I’m doing that the car is charging.
I usually have to stop charging (remote, from the app) because I have enough charge, for instance yesterday - I didn’t want to arrive home with more than 5 or 6%, as I produce my own electricity. (I do have to factor that cost in - it’s 18c/kW, which means total running costs for my car are about 3 cents per km. Tyres last >>50,000 kms, there’s no servicing, I almost never use the brakes so they’ll last the life of the car.)
So, EV's will cop the price gouge that ICE cars have had for for the last 30 yrs? $30 per kwh during blackouts in summer, public hols, long weekends? All independant from the actual cost of the electrons. Good luck ACCC!!!
Future looks so bright....hybrid is about the only option that makes sense other than just driving a well maintained ICE vehicle! My preferred option!
wait until the governments start incorporating a KM charge for EV's ... the taxes on petrol aren't going to pay themselves. The Victorian Govt let the cat out of the bag a few years ago.
My mums petrol i30 gets 7/100km flat rate pretty much everywhere. $25,000 spanking new in 2013. She blows about $10 bucks a week on fuel lol.
How does she only spend $10? Not calling bs, this is gold. I can only assume her travels are rare.
@@kevinfoo8031 retired
Sounds like she doesn’t drive much. I have a Mg3 and it blows more than 40 bucks on fuel per week. On bad days it was near 65 bucks per week
My local considering the Shell / ampol / caltex and BP stations here charge all charge at 0.69 AUD/kwh for fast charge here (Vic AUS) IF you don't charge at home its more economical to have combustion / hybrids.
You can't really charge at home at more than 12kwh and that's if your not using any other power, realistically you wouldn't want more than 6kwh so your house can still function, so they have you over a barrel really
Thanks!
Agree with this video. Recent return trip to Thredbo Australia Outlander PHEV 2019. Achieving 5.1l/100km (empty drive battery) vs. 20kwh/100km on open road. 95 octane gasoline @ $2/l works out 20% cheaper.
I really, really want to have an ev ( I like shiny things!) but the drawbacks are just too high. Both my boys have company EVs and one loves it (WFH) and the other is trying to get an ICE (he actually drives places). The challenge we have is that in the UK there are such good tax breaks for EVs that anyone in a company car is mad not to get one, even if it’s not best for them. As a result the UK EV market is starting to stall. The government will now step in to make ICEs much less attractive financially in a bid to force us to switch. It’s not a rosy future for the private motorist
Eventually the tax breaks will be withdrawn but you can bet your life the green tax to fund these tax breaks will stay.
I suppose you would prefer all of the taxpayer subsidies go to billion dollar companies in the form of tax breaks lol
Since when are EVs in any way shape or form "cheaper"? Even if you charge at home where karma will sooner rather than later torch your home, EVs are and always will be more expensive to charge and operate than good old reliable ICE cars.
wrong. educate yourself.
@@zaar2604educate me? I'd like to see the evidence either way
@@zaar2604 I educated myself. EVs have - higher upfront cost, massive depreciation, inevitable battery issues and huge negative impact on invironment.
@@johndoe-vy4bt ever seen the aftermath of an oil spill?
@@zaar2604 LOL have you ever seen mining and processing of all the materials required for EV battery ? How about EV fires ? You could argue degrees but EVs are anything but "green"
Nice to see 5FDP being represented. Keep up the good work JC
If you are going to be fair, you can't give a list of all the issues with EVs and then ignore the super long list of issues with ICE cars. I wouldn't want to be in that tunnel when a tanker truck crashes and explodes.
No one is saying EVs are perfect or that we have to transition from hydrocarbons overnight but we do have to transition from hydrocarbons and you have to start somewhere. EVs are just the start of that process. We need transportation without hydrocarbons and we really can't do that without EVs whether you like them or not.
There is a huge advantage if you can charge at home and in many jurisdictions around the world chargers are being installed in all new buildings and are being retrofitted into older buildings. Street charging is becoming more available. Australia just maybe a little bit behind. You are right that the super charger prices you are referencing are a ripoff but that doesn't mean for people that have home charging there isn't a significant advantage.
I don't know about Australia but you aren't going to pay an extra $20 000 for a BEV over an equivalent ICE. You might pay $10 000 extra without incentives for a typical car.
Maintenance is definitely less. Brake pads don't need changing very often, no oil or oil filter changes. You only have to bring the car in once per year instead of twice per year. The is a significant convenience.
Infrastructure will improve for EVs. Gas stations had to be developed for ICE cars when the horse and buggy era came to an end and the same thing will happen for EVs.
The economics of fossil fuels and developing countries is very different from what they were at the beginning of the industrial revolutions. You can't make the assumption developing countries will develop the same way or that fossil fuels are necessarily the best or fastest way for these countries to develop. The ratio of energy in to out for fossil fuels is now more than the ratio in to out for renewables. The cost of energy is less for renewables so it makes more sense to develop new grids with renewables. Grids for renewables can be localized and also expanded nationally (or even internationally) which gives renewables an advantage for developing areas of the world.
You may not be an "EV hater" but you sure do make a lot of assumptions that would suggest otherwise.
Some Uk charging stations are charging 86 pence per kw or the equivlent of $1.66 Australian. How is that for a Rip Off.
John take a look at MGUY out of Sydney on his latest reports from Merica in relation to subzero conditions & EVs. It’s laughable!
Electricity more expensive than petrol. I don't know if i should laugh, cry, or laugh so hard I start crying.
Great video John. One more item for ur list is additional tire wear.
The tunnel analogy is perfect and very realistic. Accidents happen all the time. What's interesting is that where I live, coastal ferries have specific "Dangerous Goods sailings", public not allowed. Yet dangerous goods are allowed to roar through the tunnel fully surrounded by the general population who are also roaring through the tunnel. What possibly can go wrong?
Thanks for your work. Cheers from Canada.
Mont Blanc 24 March 1999 - 39 dead many more injured, no EVs involved
Additional tire wear vs what? They're heavier than a Corolla, but most EVs weigh less than an F150, which is the most sold vehicle in the world.
You are a fool if you buy an EV and need to rely on fast charger infrastructure all the time. You always have to consider your lifestyle and charging situation before buying, no news there, it's always been that way.
It's like buying a huge RV for your daily commute and complaining you can't park it in your small garage. Horses for courses. My EV costs me practically nothing to charge, almost 100% powered from excess rooftop solar.
My all-wheel drive ICE car has been awesome during the recent spate of freezing U.S. weather.
its already here in the UK. Manny public chargers charging 97P per/KW ( plus vat @20%- 4% for the few who can charge at home)
You do know that taking out a subscription to the charge network you wish to use, can bring savings of up to 50%? Non-subscribers will pay full price...
according to surveys done in the UK, 60-85% of EV owners charge their cars at home. So for the vast majority, the prices of public charges are mainly irrelevant.
@@zaar2604 NO! Your comment is irrelevent. There are currently only 970K ev owners in the UK. ( government figures) even at if 60 to80 % charge at home that leaves 80,000 ev owners dependenent on public ev chargers at vastly inflated prices and at the mercy of actually finding one that works or finding they have to wait hours to charge. I'd say it was pretty relevent to them! At the moment there are 28.8 million households in the UK according to the UK government office of national statistics and at least a third them which do not have the facilities-off road parking etc to fit a charger. thats literally millions of people who live in properties with no access to parking to charge their vehicles. You arrogantly cite 50-85% of a piddling amount of ev owners to justiful how "great " evs are. Imagine if tomorrow every ice car owner in the UK went and bought an ev....do you think your shiney charger stuck on a wall on your drive will still give you fast charging at 3p per KW.... I'd put a bet on at the nearest bookies on a certainty the national grid would colllapse and the streets would be filled with cars nobody could charge because the grid couldn't support the energy generation. I'd say itsVERY relevent to the 10 million UK households that will be forced into EVs by ev-angelist flag wavers , who DONT have a drive to charge their cars cos they live in terraced houses, appartments , flats and estates that have houses with no actual roads or drives to the houses. I'd say 10 million households and 80,000 current ev owners who cant charge at home might find it very ****** relevent. but you keep smug watching your ev charge on your drive doing 20 miles a week and never having to use a public charger ever.......cos from your reply, you obviously either never use them or are just a smug ev owner dripping in money. You'll be saying next your ev is totally clean and carbon free.
@@Brian-om2hh what if the network you "subscribe to" isnt available on your journey or the chargers are not working ( a regular occurrence in the UK) Do you subscribe to every one of them in the hope you'll find one that works.... and that "Up to " can mean anything. They could knock 5P off per kilowatt and its as meaning ful as an EV manufacturer telling your ev has "Up to" 250 mile range..... It means nothing. If it did, they would say your ev will do a guaranteed milage of 250 miles on a single charge or...we will guarantee you pay 50% less per charge. They dont and they wont.They cover their own asses to stop you and all ev owners saying ....you told me 50% off a kw or you told me my car would do 2540 miles on a charge.....only for them to reply "ahhhh.....well it depends...." And even at current rates at Uk chargers, If you did save 50% on the cost by subscribing- its still 4 times dearer than a home charger.....
And lets address the elephant in the room of literally hundreds of thousands of Teslas in the USA now stranded in the cold weather with zero charge who cant charge and EV busses in Canada and Norway which, when they arent thermally cumbusting their lithium batteries are unable to operate because when their batteries arent exploding, they dont like the cold.....oh the irony.
Of course the biggest irony of all here where I live in the UK will be when the government cons everyone into evs and finds out theres a huge hole in road fund licence,taxes, vat on gassoline fuel etc and that 3p a KW becomes 3 quid a KW and rising and the insurance on evs shoots up because a percentage of them might explode in spectacular RUD fashion......oh yes thats right, they already do dont they💥 - specially if yours is a BYD or (cough) Tesla ..... and oh yes, how many insurance companies have now decided to charge thousands extra to insure evs-if at all and are now passing the massive risk in insuring evs because of safty issues onto ordinary drivers of ICE vehicles????
EV's are the future........ I doubt it. They dont have one.
@@parkay3560 Yep, overnight all cars will be EVs, the grid will not be upgraded from today onwards and no public chargers will be added from today onwards too. Dude, you live in fanasty world. Take your meds and calm down, and stop being poor as well while you are at it. Smug face over.
It has to be more 3xpens8ve to pay for the cost 9f the charging assets.
A single petrol pump can serve between 10 and 20 cars an hour who might also go into the servo to buy an ice-cream, coke or condoms. Ten petrol pumps can serve over a hundred cars an hour. This makes a servo into a viable businesses.
A charger can serve one or two customers an hour. Bloody hard to make that work unless you charge a bundle.
Then some subsidies are coming off. Here in NZ, the EVs will start paying road user charges in April. That will be around 7cents per km for lighter EVs, more for heavier.
In NZ RUC is built into the petrol price. That alone is already 60% 9f the cost of petrol for a small car in NZ.
I was in Te Kuiti last week, one charger at the New World. Someone sat there in 28oC heat playing Sudokhu charging up a Kia EV. A VT (virtuous twat) pulled in ,in.his electric VW (another intelligence test failed) and is then having to wait for probably half an hour just to start charging his VW. I was so happy to have my small ICE vehicle!
Not to mention the maintenance costs to meet any government regs stipulating up time.
The electric train systems we have are proving to be very economical and work well because they get their power supply from the wires above !!
The trains we have use a huge turbo diesel or two engines to generate the power for the traction motors. Way better than taxing the grid and having to build more nuke plants to ruin the water table.
So economical they can't operate without massive subsidies. Isn't it odd how airlines do the same job on intercity routes and make a profit whilst paying tax whilst railways need subsidies and generally make a loss.
@@thamesmudonly when the cargo is people, and that’s because people often pay more for flights that the train.
@@adam03957 When I was visiting France I noticed that about 50% of people use the trains without paying. They squeeze around the turnstyles.
if only they used regenerative braking and regain the energy from accelleration on stopping to boost trains on the network into motion , it would greatly reduce the cost of powering the network , there would still be resistive losses, heat losses and the cost of friction against the rails of all moving trains to keep moving once started but the capture of braking energy in massive objects like trains full of people would be huge and shouldnt be wasted as heat in the brakes, energy was always so cheap that this never mattered
And from the 1st April , New Zealand is now going to charge ev users road user charges as we pay for in diesel cars trucks etc. it’s roughly $53 per 1000km you have to purchase in advance.
US currently has 200,000 public chargers (mostly slow chargers) and is producing about 5,000 per year. Meanwhile the US has 400,000 gas stations which have 4-6 pumps each on average, and a fill takes 1/6th as long as a 50% recharge at a Tesla supercharger. So the US needs about 4-8 million public chargers that are as good as the Tesla Supercharger or better, meanwhile most of the public chargers actually being installed are 1/10th to 1/4th as fast as a Supercharger.
The US is producing 1 million EVs per year, and the "plan" is to replace all 290 million gas vehicles eventually. So the US is currently on pace to do that in 290 years even though the sale of gas vehicles is supposed to be banned in about 12 years. As EVs take over, the fuel tax will fund less and less of road maintenance, and they will have to shift that burden either onto electricity or some other form of taxation. The "smart play" would be to install solar panels on every south facing roof in the world and install slow chargers in every parking space at every workplace, so that solar can gradually charge those EVs throughout the workday while most people are at work, so that the electrical grid has a hope in hell of handling charging demand, but that's still going to be >200 million slow chargers and infinity billion solar panels.
Good luck with that!
At least when oil/petrol prices go up it can double as a lubricant when the oil companies have you over a barrel
You'll be there with us since every price is based on crude oil and magic words. At least air is free...for now.
Totally - I'd much rather give my ass over to a Middle Eastern Oil Baron than a solar panel any day..
It has been that way in the uk for years. My Parents have an ev, on road trips they pay 55p to 79p per kWh. My modest Dirty Diesel gets 70mpg easily on a road trip.
I always said that this was going to happen, but I thought that they'd wait until most people had been pushed towards EV before pumping the prices up. I figured they'd just give subsidies to EV charging until then.
I haven't seen this where I live. It could be isolated. If you can charge at home, I would take an EV over an ICE. There are more and more charging options where I live as well. There are free level II charging stations.
Who's they? Most charging happens at home and electricity at home is still significantly cheaper than public chargers (which are mostly used for long distance travelling)
@@yodaiam1000 It's actually not isolated. USA EV Charging Stations cost more than Gasoline, and 1-4 hour waits when charging on top of that.
@@santoshrathod123 Tell that to people who found out how harsh winter is on batteries, that over night charging at home wasn't enough, and they still lost power on the way to work the following morning. Luckily a gasoline vehicle's battery gets nuked by winter normally a jump start is all that is required to get it working. EV gets nuke by winter it's dead, literally until it can charge for 4-8 hours at a charging station, ya that is how much slower they charge in winter even at a high speed charging station, now imagine at home?
@@Alte.Kameraden You can now get batteries that are capable of charging from 10 to 80% in about 8 minutes. My car is older and slow for charging but I get get 10 to 80% in about 36 minutes. On an older 50kW charger, it takes about 54 minutes. But I very rarely use a fast charger. There is no need for it.
Most people charge at home where the electricity is much cheaper. I pay about ten cents on the dollar to fuel my car for the equivalent range.
The solution for longer trips is to get more charging stations so there is scale in building them and an increase in supply.
In the UK, one charging network costs 85p per KW (that's AU$1.63 at current exhange rates). To add insult to injury, they demand a £45 (AU$86) deposit befotre you even plug the car in. If the charger fails to communicate, they charge another £45 to plug in to another charger with no guarantee that one will work either. The remainder of the deposit is eventually refunded if you don't use enough KWh but you're out of pocket in the meantime - not to mention being severely out of pocket for the KWh you do use.
John
Interested in an update regarding the proposed battery recycling for spent or damaged batteries.
It is my understanding that there is no Lithium ion battery recycling in Aus. and even all the busted cordless power tool batteries are being sent to deep burian as LiP batteries cannot be safely recules without causing a funnaway fire.
Figured out how CROP circles are made.
I've have never considered an EV for 2 main reasons . 1 They don't have a spare wheel. That's bloody, rediculas . 2 Having to recharge the thing 3 times driving from the Gold Coast to Sydney. 😊
A lot of newer ICE vehicles don't come with spare wheels either. That's an industry thing, not an EV thing.
@@mcdon2401 Most have a space saver of types, but the more expensive the car, the less you get, with some only having a can of fixaflat in the boot
Who on earth wouldn't need 3 stops for a toilet and food driving Gold Coast to Sydney? And how often does anyone do this trip these days? Or just fly.
@--Nath-- With airlines so unpredictable these days I prefer to drive. Plus if I want a toilet or food break I don't have to recharge to do it.
@mcdon2401 They won't sell me a vehicle without a spare.
For the short inner-city drives you'd be better off with a phev than a full EV if you are also (often) do longer trips of say more than 150km. You get clean inner-city driving. Whilst also having the range flexibility of a gas powered car. And they save on the expensive batteries too. And those smaller packs ought to be cheaper and easier to replace.
Exactly my thinking. My next new car will likely be an outlander phev, get the best of both worlds. I would only be doing about 30km each day for work and then the odd longer trip every couple of weeks. And I'm regional Victoria. With the current electric range of around 70-80km, I would probably be lucky to go through 1 tank of fuel a month.
Yet again a great vid. Perfect numbers. My wife owns a 2020 Mazda 3 GT (manual) and I get 6.9l/100kms on the Lawson to 'bra trip and we do it several times a year.
This reminds me of LPG in some ways, a flurry of new LPG installs and factory LPG cars and the bandwagon is rolling strong, then after a few years the price jacks up so high that people start removing LPG systems, LPG only cars go to scrap as they lost almost all resell value.
Now days, servos are far less inclined to have an LPG bowser, especially regionally.
😂😂😂 all I can say in my best Effie impersonation voice is "sucked in"
Doesn't 68% of Australias energy come from fossil fuels. You might not be using petrol in your EV, though there's a 68% chance the energy is comming from fossil fuels
Even electric derived “green tech” requires a ton of hydrocarbon derived energy and materials to exist.
It was to be expected, honestly (electricity being more costly now, then oil derivatives). They have to sçréw you over, somewhere. That's just a part of the game, in any sector.
Edit: Stop burning?! If you happened to be a pyromaniac, you'll feel excluded, therefore discriminated. NOT inclusive at all!
If we stop burning things, we can include about 40-50% of the population not eating tomorrow, or the day after and pretty much for the rest of their dying in agony lives
Fuel runs agriculture and without modern farming becomes 'we are the world' Ethiopia in the 1980's
@@krissteel4074 I know. I was being facetious.
Approximate 'price parity' for the Tesla and Mazda when they reach Canberra. However, I presume the Tesla needs to be off-line charging for some considerable time whereas the Mazda probably still has gas in the tank ... even if empty, it will take about 5 minutes to fill for its return drive to Sydney.
Hi ,JC watched a story the other day about EV charging in England the cost was 85 British pence per kilowatt hour, a limit of 2 hours , afterwards extra fees applied, no amount specified , to charge the vehicle would take approximately 5 hours. Old JC
If you can't charge at home in the UK then it's definately cheaper to have a petrol car.
You know what? 20 years after the petrol car was invented you bought your petrol from the chemist in a glass bottle...!!! You drove your Model T on unmade dirt roads that were built for horses and buggies - because THAT is how progress works.
true, if I didn't have off street parking and a chargepoint at home, I would probably not own an EV. But since I do have both, an EV is a no brainer cost wise.
@@zaar2604 too early to call it a no brainer ... still many costings that are yet to come into consideration with EV. Battery Replacement, Depreciation .. other repair costs long term .. none of those are known for the majority of vehicles outside of a Tesla .. and if the big car rental companies say they are not cost effective to own for a hire fleet .. then there are obviously some considerations for owners depending on their usage requirements.
Tesco and Sainsbury’s are entering the EV charging market in a big way, expect big growth in the number and quality of the charging they have. As with petrol, these supermarkets don’t care so much about profit on fuel, they want you in the shop. I can see charging prices starting to drop in 2025. Although most big UK companies have gone ultra-capitalist in the past 5 years, and they are making higher margins by screwing the public more than in the past.
@@alanakafang6143 battery replacement, even today there are many first gen leaf's out there with their original, passively cooled, tiny size batteries. Contrast that to a modern actively cooled battery with more sophisticated battery chemistry and battery management system.
You’ve just made the case for self charging hybrids, good for the city(electric) , good for long journeys (petrol/diesel).
Except they are going to be charged a $$$s per km rate too to offset loss of excise on petrol.
No such thing as self charging .They are charged by a petrol engine.
Or radium or tritium
to charge solar battery.
I agree with you on this one. most rapid chargers in the UK are now charging 79p per KW. Some charge 85p or even 98p. Part of the reason is the government charges 20% vat. Charging at home vat is 5% But in the main as with everything they are charging what they can get away with. But now EVs have much greater range charging mainly at home on an EV tariff 7.5pence per KW. Of course Tesla charges around 45/50p per KW. Fuel costs in the UK are unstable and liable to go much higher thanks to the shipping attacks, or that will be the excuse used.
In Sweden Fuel prices goes down and down. Diesel and Petrol feels really cheap now (17.5sek / liter) (1,33 GBP) meanwhile Electricity is expensive. If you pay more than 0,38 GBP per kWh, its cheaper to drive the ICE car.
This video makes it sound like EV drivers are stupid and only ever use rapid chargers at premium prices. I'm a British guy living in France and have owned an EV since 2019. If I had a really efficient fossil fuel car which averaged 50 mpg all year I would have spent €2,000 to do the 21,000 km I did last year. I spent in fact €315 on public charging when on long trips and the rest was home charging, a little bit at the supermarket and two nights at hotels where overnight charging was free. Even without the solar panels offsetting my home charging it would only have added €450 to my annual electricity bill. There is just no way in the real world use that an EV is more expensive to run than a fossil car...but I guess its a good clickbait title for a video if you want lots of clicks.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Your use case fits/allows for the limitations on EV, most peoples' do not. Being forced into poorer tech by communist inspired central planners is the main issue with the dumbass 'electric revolution'. Also WHAT is a 'fossil car'?
Some suppliers in the UK are now charing between 50p-85p per kW/h - and it keeps going up.
Excellent work john. Pricing petrol and electric cars to cbr. I now wonder about how much more your electricity bill is for plugging in your ev. With electricity prices through the roof
And here in sheep-shag-a-stan they just announced the addition of ruc at $76 per 1000km too!
That's what happens when Liberals get voted in.
Annual registration to match that of a petrol engine vehicle too. Though, if you ask me, both costs should be higher considering the impact they (EVs) have on infrastructure such as roading, due to their weight. One example is a comparison to my diesel BMW 7 series, which weighs in at 2.1 ton - compared to an Electric Kia EV6 (or is it EV9, can't recall) but anyway, weighs in at 2.6 ton.
Even if we compared SUV to SUV - Kia EV6/9, and BMW X7d, the big diesel BMW SUV is still lighter.
As far as I'm concerned, even though it's a step in the right direction, the charges laid upon vehicles is out of proportion.
I miss the good times roll starting manuals not starting.
Mentioning this to a 18 year old had no idea what i was talking about.
Push starting my old car saved me twice many, many years ago. Once when my battery died because of a dead alternator, and once because my starter motor died. Both times were late at night after a long shift at work!
How do you do your advert/sponsorship with a straight face, well done mate....?
It's easy to keep a straight face with smooth balls
I drive from Melbourne to Brisbane monthly and have done it in a Tesla model 3 and in my 2019 Tucson. Starting off with a full tank I refuel once at Dubbo and refill at Brisbane, driving time of roughly 20 hours at a cost of around $210. Same in Model 3 was about 30 hours at a cost of around $325. When the temp drops i was using roughly 30% more electrons and going through the hills used almost 40% more. When i wrote this on another Tesla fan boy site i was called a lot of names but facts are facts.
People take their consumer choices seriously. It is as if you are telling them their child is shit at maths. There are drawbacks with all the ways to turn potential energy into mechanical energy, but dare to point out that the thing they have spent all that money on has flaws and you are going to get some defensive kick back. I have a hybrid but it has drawbacks as does diesel, petrol. My primary reasons for liking my hybrid is the transmission and low down pull they can have but floor the thing and it gets noisy and drinks petrol like any equivalent powered car. All people have done when buying a car is pass a large amount of money to someone it does not make them wiser than anyone else.
If like the UK a large tax is collected on fuel, when there is a significant number of EV s on the road the government will start to tax your electricity for your car.
You are completely correct on the cost of running an EV. I saw a study recently from the UK where cost per mile was the same for EVs as for ICEs. I do believe that this was for home charging but am not sure about that. If that is the case, then it would be even more using public charging.
Several years ago, i wrote a short article for an engineering magazine comparing the five-year cost of running an EV vs a similarly sized ICE. At that time the cost per gallon of gasoline in the US was much higher than it is today at over $4. I also did not include the cost of charging. I also did not include the increased cost of insurance for EVs. The ICE was cheaper to run.
Simple economics. The market will bear the current cost of owning and operating ICE vehicles. Therefore any new entrant to the market will simply adopt that as their cost as well. Combined with government mandates, there's not any reason to be cheaper, in fact there is the intangible benefit of "saving the planet". How much do you suppose that's worth?
@karlm9584 how does running and EV save the planet?
@@cosmic_diver well it doesn't at all, but that is "priced in" as an excuse why people buy them
@@karlm9584 The point is that not a lot of people are buying them. In the US we have over 250M light vehicles (cars and pickup trucks). About 18M are sold per year. Do the math. If 100% of new cars were electric, it would take about 15=20 years or so to replace the whole stock. The current percentage of EVs sold in the US is just under 10%. Considering the upfront costs and the cost to run, this is unlikely to increase by a lot. In fact, the momentum of EV sales growth has decreased. The cost to run will not come down. If full adoption of EVs became a reality, the cost of electricity would skyrocket, making them even more expensive to run.
Oh, and as for that saving the planet stuff, the newly added electricity capacity would also have to be green. Have you looked at the financial woes of the companies developing wind farms on the US east coast lately?
@@louisgiokas2206 agree, not many people are buying them yet. But they are pretty much mandated. The point was that there is nothing really keeping the costs of EV at the same level or less than that of ICE. If all you can buy (new) in 2030 is EV then tough. Also I predict the price of petrol to sky-rocket as EVs erode demand for petrol, much the same way as falling electricity demand, both residential and industrial, is causing prices to spike - electricity companies still need to turn a profit, petrol refineries still need to turn a profit, and if you don't have alternatives then be prepared to pay up.
Thanks JC. Sanity has to prevail soon. 🙏🇦🇺
The auto market is rapidly transitioning to EVs. The percentage of EVs in the new car market was 42% in China and 25% in Europe in November 2023, and I expect that those percentages will be 50% and 30% in 2024. By 2030, the market for new ICE vehicles will be dead in most parts of the world, and that should be obvious to anyone paying attention to how the price of EV batteries is falling. The switch to LFP batteries, gigacasting, 48V components, 800V motors/batteries, ethernet and CAN data buses will keep cutting costs, so EVs will soon be cheaper than ICEVs.
Sounds like their naming conventions are similar to that of usb, I can’t wait for ultra fast gen 3.2 2x2 😂 6:53. John has just been proven correct by a video 1hr ago from car expert.
A friend on mine sent this to me a year ago:
" I did the figures for driving an electric tesla from Sydney to Brisbane and also driving my 15 year old Toyota corolla !!!!
1. Toyota corolla gets 8 litres per 100kms on the highway so at 1000kms and at about $1,80 per litre thats $144 plus any rest break meals drinks etc and you can drive it in 9.5 to 10 hours on the pacific Hwy.
2. Tesla model 3 uses 137kws per 500kms times 2 = 274kwh at 69 cents per KWH at Ampol service stations is $189.06 per 1000kms and add 5 cents per km for road tax that's $50, that's $240 plus overnight accommodation while your battery charges as fast charges take well over 2 hours to charge an almost empty battery and lets not forget waiting for other cars !!,,,, why bother !!!!!! oh, and a new tesla battery every 5 years is !!!!! $26000 yep why bother !!!
3. all of the above is as close to correct as I can find on the net from quite a few sources plus from what a few electic car owners have told me."
Why bother with myths like a new battery every 5 years? And while you count batteries, you don't count oil changes, transmission and engine changes, both far more frequent.
It's a lot more here in the UK at public charging points
Rapid chargers are typically found in motorway service stations and range from being free to one of the more expensive ways to charge. Most network rapid chargers cost 74p/kwh which is about £19 for 30 minutes of charging (as of May 2023).22 Nov 2023
Nice work JC.
#MALS ❤
Don't forget that state governments are just gagging to charge EV owners $2.50 per 100km of travel. They've tried before and will try again. It's guaranteed.
Right now small diesel cars make a whole lot of sense (if you can find one), or a hybrid.
As for me, I would charge an EV at home, off solar. Right now I get just 5c/kWh FIT, so the car would charge at that price. Mmm.
I notice you were kind in your ROI comparison by not including the financing costs of the extra $20k for an EV or the opportunity cost of not outting $20k into government bonds if paying "cash" was an option.
He was also kind not to add the extra $20k for the solar and battery if they want to charge from home.
And the home wall charger. And the increased insurance costs. And, and…
@@YZJB I don't think calculating car ownership TCO is a great video idea for his channel but you never know.
Just ticked over 10k kms in my model Y. Have spent $10 charging once while on a family road trip. Otherwise all at home off solar, forgoing 8c a kw feed in tariff and the occasional top up on a slow charger at a car park or shops if there is one available and free.
Don’t claim it suits everyone’s needs, but it’s good for our family city usage.
Me too. I’ve charged my car exclusively off solar.
Here in the UK it's roughly about £1.40 for every litre of petrol. Around £0.85 is tax. Fuel duty then VAT added to the cost of petrol AND fuel duty. Electric charging is around £0.79 on public EVSE's for every kw. Electricity only has VAT on the cost. No fuel duty. That means electricity is way more expensive than petrol if you can't charge at home.
Hey John . This evening Townsville local news ran a story on diesel engines being sold brand new must meet Euro 6 emission standards. The Federal Transport Minister, Catherine King has said, " Existing vehicle models will only be affected by the new standards in 2028. The December 2025 date will only apply to newly approved vehicle models supplied for the first time after that date." So my question is, does that mean that all of us who have a vehicles that are E5, will all become unroadworthy as at 1 July 2028. There is no clarification on the matter, is there any chance that you may be able to shed some light on this catastrophic freedom destroying Communist Government descision? I would love to know where exactly this decision takes us 4x4 enthusiasts. Thanks John.
It sounds like the government worker needs to keep their hand off it.
Your answer is in the Minister's comment.
No, it means new cars sold must meet Euro 6. Existing cars can stay on the road.
The only electric car I would ever contemplate purchasing is a new rig for my Scalextrics set.
Me too and it wont be a fuckin tesla.
@@1pakadaywhy so much hate on Tesla lol..I never like into Tesla but still they made EV a thing until people like you need to hate them lol
If charging an EV is no cheaper than fuel that surely removes one of the biggest reasons for buying one. A lot of people are already having second thoughts about buying an EV after seeing all those battery fires. The reasons to buy an EV seem to be evaporating.
You buy an EV if you have the lifestyle to support it. My EV cost me practically nothing to charge using excess rooftop solar.
wait till all the Chinese imports get here
@@EEVblog A vast number of people don't have roof top solar or even a parking space to be able to home charge...that was one of the main points of this vid. If those aspects are criteria for owning an EV then that just adds to the list of reasons not to buy one. There are many affordable EV's on the market so I don't know what you mean by "the lifestyle to support it".
biggest reason buying an ev for me is making fuel at home
@@peejayem4700 ever heard of moonshine? Ethanol powers cars pretty well
Home charging with solar - that's the only way I would do EV ownership. If the future is electric then we need more hydro and nuclear power to handle the load when the sun goes down and the wind doesn't blow. But battery tech will also need to improve dramatically as going from solar -> home battery -> EV is inefficient and expensive long term, never mind for those who desire a 100% off-grid installation.
EV pack replacements will also need to be factored into the cost - will owning a 20yo EV even be feasible or do they become throwaways if packs can no longer be replaced/rebuilt.
So autoexpert.
I just completed a road trip Gold Coast to Sydney and back with a model y standard range. Clocked 2200km all up including sight seeing
Using only fast chargers it cost me $235.
I’m pretty happy with that. My diesal Ute would cost me over $400
On the list of "benefits" of EVs: expedited road and bridge infrastructure wear due to 30-70% heavier vehicles.
And you have the maths that shows how much extra damage to roads and bridges these 30 to 70 percent heavier vehicles cause. You do and you will show it here. Or stop writing BS
@@theairstig9164 Why show the maths for the extra damage? The point is still valid, there is extra damage due to increased mass. I think that is how they structure Aussie registration prices for ICE. Although it is based on number of cylinders? Rather than vehicle weight.....
@@subwayfacemelt4325 I believe it's combination of vehicle weight, C02 output and initial cost of the car. I pay $550 a year for my diesel Fiesta because it weighs 1200kg-ish and does 60MPG (would love to know what a Caterham 170 costs in rego; 3cyl Suzuki engine making 84HP and 440kg weight).
Far out ow, it's @@deanchur bro!!
Cheers for that. Oi'm een QueeNZZZland. Oi theenk eet moight be seeksteen or seevinteen poinapples for me 4pot 2.5 Soobee. 1600kg-ish.
Hell yeah!! Kate Trims!!
Tesla Model 3, Model Y which are the big seller EV’s are comparable weights to ICE equivalents.
have a look at the chaos in merica with all the cold weather you will piss yourself
Again?
sorry i did not explain properly the very cold weather in the usa is causing lots of problems with range and charging its total chaos cars taking hours to charge much longer than normal and the range is terrible people are really angry testla not helping
I meant 'piss myself again'...
This was so predictable, I thought it would come as a tax or electricity price hike or both 😂
Just in the base price, if I save 15k on buying a car then that is paying for a lot of fuel/service and my diesel car will last twice as long as a Tesla.
Really? You'd best not watch the TH-cam video posted by the Scandinavian owner of a Tesla Model S then. His car had covered 420'000 kms.
Tons and tons of ice vehicles run for far longer than that. There are thousands and thousands of diesel trucks on the road with well over 1600000kms on them, and they won't ever have to spend a flat 20-60 thousand to replace a battery.
@@Brian-om2hhgolf clap........ Model S starts at AU$117,920, Really saving money by buying one of those cars said no one ever.
The market will find the fair price eventually. If a supplier is creaming it they are inviting opposition in. One factor influencing the price of petrol is the thousands of EVs already on the road, and the millions of EVs the oil industry is trying to delay the introduction of in the future. So the introduction of EVs is inevitably going to lower the price of petrol. These are early days. Even in Australia with their plentiful coal, renewable electricity is lowering the price of electricity to the point that coal fired stations are being closed down when the time comes for serious maintenance.
And the governments are yet to work oout how to tax these EVs also properly still !
So it will be MORE in the future
I figured out a solution, get a portable diesel generator and charge it up whenever you want and it'll be cheaper!!..
Personally, I prefer to be kissed whilst being screwed! You can use that one John! Good work keep it up man as they say!
It’s l prefer to be kissed before being screwed
Hahaha " standing next to the syringes and the used condoms " SAVING THE PLANET. Love the humour john. 😭😭😭😭🍺🍺🍺🍺
I pay 11 cents/kwh at home. @ an avg 3.5miles/kwh in my model 3 that's about 3 cents a mile. No ICE/hybrid can touch that in price, efficiency, or performance. Believe wat u want on the internet but that's my real life experience.
I average 5.6 miles per kwh and have solar, I guess I am sacrtificing the 4.7c feed in tarrif I would otherwise get as income, that's 0.8c per mile