"The consequences of a war between the US and China" - Kevin Rudd
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- The Hon. Kevin Rudd, president and CEO of Asia Society, served as Australia's 26th Prime Minister from 2007 to 2010, then as Foreign Minister from 2010 to 2012, before returning as Prime Minister in 2013.
He discusses major topics of his new book, "The Avoidable War: The Dangers of a Catastrophic Conflict between the US and Xi Jinping's China"
Rudd graduated from the Australian National University with honors in Chinese studies, and is fluent in Mandarin. He also studied at the National Taiwan Normal University in Taipei. - บันเทิง
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Thanks for an excellent Webinar
China’s issue on Taiwan isn’t with the DPP. Its issue is it thinks democracy is only appropriate for wite people
The issue is that the system is actually training people to give a government justification no matter the government is for the people or not, while calling the system democracy.
CHINA issue is that white people think their system of government, laws, civilization, values, way of thinking and way of doing things are universal to all human beings and should be forced on everyone one else.
The West thinks that if other people don't adopt their values and ways of doing things they are barbarians, uncivilized, backwards, and stupid. They have replaced their zeal of spreading salvation and Christianity with spreading their own version of democracy and and liberty like the new gospel.
That is the way Westerners think. Many Asians who have traveled to went to school and were influenced by the West have come to wish they were white.
They idolize everything Western and look down and despise everything Asian including their own heritage, civilization and traditions. This is the eay Taiwanese, Hong Kong protestors and many others think.
They think the same way Westerners think.
Meanwhile in the West you got a couple of 225 year old nations wanting to lecture a 3000 year old civilization state that has gone through countless of dynasties, good and bad leaders, invasions, civil wars, uprisings, revolutions, famines droughts, plagues, occupations economic booms and depressions and everything a nation could go through under the sun multiple times for thousands of years how it should run its own people, it's affairs and rule itself.
China doesn't have a problem with Taiwan's system of government. China has 31 different provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities. Each of these provinces and territories are governed differently and have different laws.
China's political System allows a tremendous amount of autonomy for each province and territories. It has space space for Taiwan with its destinguished form of government within a unified China.
What China won't allow is secessionism, foreign interference and foreign generated civil unrest.
Democracy doesn’t exist
@@junyuanma4243 No it is a way to preceive people. Many countries can not choose their leaders such as UK, or US. You vote for parliment memebers or electorate college. Such indirect vote is also implemented in China. People can vote for People's congress member.
@@bbyl1485 I was talking about so-called "free-election" system. It is actually not free, but an obedience training.
In China, people only vote the lowest level of People's congress. The system works not because of vote, but because the whole society can generate a group of people that can really discuss problems and make decisions on professional basis.
Congratulations 👏 for organizing such a Wonderful Event
Why does the Australian Labor Party (Kevin Rudd) closely relate with Communism?
Coz he is a Labor Marxist banner goon.
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In the Chinese eyes, 🇺🇸and Nato are fighting with🇷🇺. After The US and Nato destroy 🇷🇺, 🇨🇳will be next one, So China will not anti Russia for the US and Nato. Unless you are an idiot. Lol
US will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Take a long walk on a short pier.
Re the legitimacy of the Chinese system: Does China attach a rate of interest to all issued currency? And if so, is that interest, in large or whole part, directed to the richest members of Chinese society?
12:17 Why would you put "capitalist" on the Chinese side if the "liberal international order" advocated by the US is no longer capitalist?
The book title, "The Avoidable War: The Dangers of a Catastrophic Conflict between the US and Xi Jinping's China", is not a good one. Why put Xi Jinping's name there? How would someone think Xi's personality had changed the US-China relationship substantially? Xi is going to leave Chinese politics in 5-6 years even he would get a 3rd term, but nothing will change between US-China relationship. It will give this book a short shelf life.
It's representative of how China has no democratic government, the government is at the behest of Xi Jinping's command (and that is how authoritarians work).
So the inclusion is about a particular timeframe in history: when Jinping was the president of China. And to me, that doesn't give the title the "short shelf life" you think it has.
@@TheKocon13 Do you think the US-China relationship will become better after Xi's departure in 6 years? It is naive to think along the line. The Western depiction of Chinese politics is largely laughable.
you realize it is a business to sell books
Bing bong see you in Taiwan my sweet CCP shill
China does have a meritocraric democracy including voting from village level up to the top, xi jinxing is not a dictator who can go against the party or the people. He's not bigger than party or country.
China and ccp has a 98% approvals rating according to 13 year Harvard study and all western polls back this number up. It doesn't get more democratic than that.
send Taiwan more missiles and open up more naval bases in Japan now that the weapons cartel in Beijing has shipped missiles to Serbia and wants to open up an espionage base in Solomon Islands
Serbia and Solomon has INVITED china because they do not trust the wests. You will see many more nations do this
Don’t worry. US has already sold tens of millions of missiles to Taiwan. They will continue do so because it is a lucrative business.
Serbia has no issues with anyone..
Solomon Islands is merely a police security pact
@@calvinblue894 same with Taiwan and Japan. Taiwan only has issues with no one except china and Japan is a treaty ally
@@ffe1379 Taiwan/China, is Chinese Civil War..stagnated..
That's AN ISSUE itself..Major one..
Japan...what issues? More like what they DID TO CHINA, Nanjing Massacre and Shanghai Massacre..
And did China attack back?
NO..
Yet Japan constantly blemishing China..
What gives?
You are on the WRONG SIDE..Injustice!!
Watched 22/11/22
It's useless to tell consequencies of war. One has to experience it. And even then, it will not help to avoid it.😢
Can you imagine trying to have a conversation with someone as smug as Kevin Rudd? He might as well get "I told you so" tattooed on his forehead so he can give his voice a rest.
When you are stupid, you do not know any better? Why do you think he traversed the world? His whole cabinet quit on his second comeback to the Prime Ministership. Ask them what they think of him and I can assured you it would not make pleasant reading.
and "when I was at Harvard" on his forearm
Couldn’t manage Prime Minister of Australia! Arrogant smart arse. Couldn’t even manage a taxation question as my local member. After 1 month, I was handed a 200 odd pages of tax gobbledygook! Just coz he speaks Chynese, and forces the nation to take the knee to aborigines....
We have one person in australia who understands china we need a hell of alot more.
What will they do with 40 years 1 child only being mostly unmarried males ?
can you look up the birth policy of china right now?
@@ruoyuli4091 changed few years back . They import brides from NKorea too
So what is your point? The Disunited States have 1 in 2 marriages failed. How is that going to help the Disunited States with lots of single parenthood and dysfunctional families and homelessness. Have you considered cancelling marriages to avoid the divorce rates? Go and look into the mirror before you take to the internet, okay?😂😂😂 China used to have the one child policy but the Disunited States has the one parent policy, okay?
@@BrogeKilrain the one child policy was not applied universally. Farmers and minorities could have more than one child. In addition foreign spouses could have unlimited children. There are also 600 million Chinese diaspora with unlimited children that China could tap on.
The one child policy won't affect China's growth.
@@medeliworld agree as I have been visiting since early 1990 and unprecedented growth few realize in west .
imagine thinking you are going to win a war when you have North Korea as an ally. LOL
China and North Korea did win the Korean War 70 years ago.
Imagine having the allies consisted of the richest and mightiest, only to admit defeat against the people who live in caves and fight with rifles and make shift bombs.
@@godzillamothra5983 ROFL imagine thinking nato could not have buried the Taliban in their caves if it wanted to
Yes, just do it!
@@zephonnohpez and yet they couldn't. The way they left Afghanistan was mind boggling too. Taliban has to send in security team to protect their evacuation, LMAO.
"This ain't Cold War 2.0" 00:25:24
Not yet. But the US is trying to decouple from China economically, by its moving supply chains to friendlier countries. It's worried that in the increasingly more likely scenario of a major conflict between the two great powers, China will do to the US what it has done to China: economic sanctions.
a consequence that was surprisingly overlooked is that we would finally be able to wall off our cyberspace from Chinese spyware like wechat, weibo and the like
And decline further in technologies
LOL mutual. Spyware lije Facebook , Twitter, Linkedin, youtube etc will be walked off from spying in China too
u should include whats apps , you tube , telegram etc , why didnt u ?
Seems like FB , IG, Twitter is free from spying
you use them? if you are so worried, just dont download them...
fascinating how these talks always treat the rest of Asia as invisible to hide how China is not the root cause of all the tensions over Taiwan or the South China Sea
BS
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Very true, and it is exactly why the US will fail in Asia.
Kevin Rudd worships the CCP way, he had a CCP style 2020 Summit as soon as he became PM Australia just love to present himself as the supreme leader. KR is just a academic without real world experience.
I APPRECIATE THE DEPTHS OF YOUR SHALLOWNESS
I would also like to read your thesis Kevin.
Book for sale.
Soon Beijing will be the 2nd Nanjing
I am afraid Washington DC and NY will be joining the party too.
Since Australia and Japan always blindly follow United Snakes, so I guess Sydney and Tokyo will likely be gone too. The more damage done to China, the more cities of your nation will be destroyed too. Billions of people including your parents, your children, your relatives and your friends will probably all die for the sake of an island which has nothing to do with you and your nation at all. Funny, isn’t it?
@@SW-fy8pq yes but this time as a friend not an enemy as Tokyo turns Beijing into the 2nd Nanjing
@@frontrowspectator5991 i don’t get it. Japan used chemical weapons to kill millions of Chinese in Nanjing. What do you mean by as a friend not an enemy?
@@frontrowspectator5991 Japan is so much weaker than China today..
A very good talk. Mr. Rudd is not just a former Prime Minister. He is a political practitioner and a scholar. He reads the Chinese society in general and the mind set of the communist party and that of the top leaders in particular. We all benefited from his experiences.
Thanks for the effort and keep up the good work.
From Hker worldwide
Rudd is rated as Australia's worst PM in living memory by a great many Australians. Most Aussies moan with contempt everytime he raises his head to give his "expert" opinion on something. As for the Chinese, they worked him out very early and basically ignored him. Time heals, but not in Rudd's case.
@@michaelscanlon6279subpar trolling comrade
Liberal International Order is the wealthy elites ruling over the peasants
Authoritarian Capitalist Order is a wealthy country ruling over the peasants.
Take your pick.
I choose a wealthy country ruling over the rich peasants.
Can we stop listening to KRudd. I am so fed up with the endless droning. He really effed up as PM and now for some reason he is an ambassador.
Please note that the TH-cam auto translate to Chinese (traditional) of this video does not work.
What`s the purpose of adding so much Chinese in his speech? Show off?
I learned a lot from the conversations. But there's one main problem. The question of what the consequences are of a war between the US & China was not answered.
A war between US and China will spell the end of US preeminence, bet it a victory or loss for the US.
Like every other western based forums, institutes, think tanks, societies claiming to be "China expert", it's all propaganda full of misinformation.
Only the west have all these propaganda channels to undermine any nation who don't align to western interests....all trying to hype up wars and tensions, creating suspicions and doubts.
The consequences are a lot of warships on the bottom of the ocean!
India is the next China, and am surprised he didn't touch on that. India has the economic trajectory of China without the demographic collapse.
Q for Kevin. At the point of a full military conflict over Taiwan with the US utilizing its assets in Japan , Guam, Philippines etc. Won't China seek to once and for all esponge US military assets and influence from the region
the issue of allies is key as the war would be a great power one. The US can call on countries around the world. Who can China call? Pakistan? Kim Jong Un? The African countries it has debt trapped?
why does china need to call on others when it's a civil war fought on chinese soil? delusional much? lol did the US call on others when it went into the civil war? oh I assume you do know what happened when the "UN" went to war in Korea which is in chinese neighborhood...
The military power of the rest of the world outside US and China combine barely match Russia for a start. Without the US, the Russian is most likely marching into Berlin if not Paris.
The Eurasia continent, beside its west most, the EU, which has a punitive army, are not side with the west, which has been proven in the running Ukrainian conflict. 90% of these countries are disregarded by the west as either dictatorship or something similar. And you bet that they will ally with the US against China? Not to mention the US back yard, Brazil, Argentina and even Mexico were not in line with the west in Russian sanctions.
You must be living in a parallel world.
China alone can take care of al US allies is a fact .
No country will dare to take on China.
Even that , remember Russia. China and Russia have declared friendship of no limits . Dare to take on China? Stop dreaming.
Besides that China has the rest of the world outside USA and Europe as solid allies to support .
@@amwill8929 but you still have not answered the question who can China call on for support?
another frog from the well.
Rudd refers to President Trump in this talk. What was the date of this talk?
It's very funny to hear 陆克文 put many mandarin word in his speech. He is the first man I understand the enemy is the enemy, no matter how fluntantly they can speak your language.
He cannot speak fluent Mandarin and he continues to throw in a smattering of poorly spoken Mandarin to hide his true credentials as a SInophobe. Don't be fool as I have known this narcisstic person for a long time.
i kept seeing continously all his speeches on china in asia society and feel that he really hit the point and remind me of 汉奸
Yes we have to start the war right now!
I thought 汉 鬼干（女干）more accurate
I understand wat this man says every time cause I talk gibberish everyday
An audience of 26 people? 50:14
Fix,PhD
My feeling is this :
If America chooses to have war with China, ( it is not China that chooses to have war with America ), the war won't be fought in China nor in America.
It would be fought on the
Taiwan island.
Also, no nuclear weapons shall be used unless America chooses first to go into nuclear warfare.
.. Harris Ng YM
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TAIWAN WOULD BE WIPE OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. AMERICA SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE. FOR THE TRAGEDY.
China can choose to stay in China.
China should stay in China if China doesn't want War.
US should limit the number of international students it lets in from the mainland. Given how the vast majority of them return back home and put their skills to work for either the CCP or PLA it makes zero sense for America to continue educating its enemy. Any setbacks especially in the decrease in tuition intake can easily be solved by taking international students from other parts of the world like India which places like Canada, Australia the UK are already doing
you do understand foreign students basically subside the local ones on tuition and fees don't you? oh, I guess that's a foreign concept to your intelligence level... lol no worries. there have already been and will be fewer students from china while the country is ascending the level both on higher education and living standards. it's a trend already.
They made a movie called, "DUMB and DUMBER," you can play the latter role and Kevin the former, in a remake of that movie. Would be a box office sell out and I am sure both families will be the sole patrons of the movie. How about it? It is time they make a remake of it to update it to include the 21 Century dumb bat shit.
@@hangtuah888 🤣🤣🤣 bulls eye
For peace to prevail, you guys (the confused lot) should stop the warmongering US that continues to roam the whole world seeking wars.
@@maxdc988 Yes, it is a no brainer not to sow discord, mayhem and death. This guy is a paid spear carrier for the Disunited States constantly conjecturing how wicked and evil China when the truth is quite the contrary. Always selling us how war is inevitable. So sad. That is why they have a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.
Both Kevin Rudd and John Meshiemer are good at geopolitical discussions. Kevin appears to have more Western political overtones lately as compared to what he was like 5 to 10 years ago.
That's because when he was prime minister making policies, China was far more integrated into the world and seemed to want to be a global player, following their so-called "peaceful rise" doctrine. It's only been the last few years, they've been far more aggressive in their ambitions, that it's only natural that we change with them.
@@SanctuaryLife It's very interesting to hear "we change with them". But it seems most of chinese have the opposite views.
@@nikiascheung8994 well the west has been here before. We saw Germany and Japan rise. We did nothing. Both had territorial / imperial ambitions, this is exactly what China is showing now with Taiwan. Parts of the Himalayas. Islands in the SCS. History has taught us territorial ambition never stops, it is only stopped.
@@SanctuaryLife if west believes the legitimacy, then what were they doing when Opium War broke out and the Alliance Invasion happened? Many people curious who should be really stopped.
@@nikiascheung8994 history is written by the winners. people only think from their perspective. it would be nice to not have a peer competitor. that's all they care about
How Taiwan provokes China
1. deal with diseases from China
2. deal with its own historical atrocities (white terror)
3. deal with its people within a democracy
How China provokes Taiwan
1. start the First Taiwan Strait Crisis
2. start the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis
3. start the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis
No Country would give up in sovereignty
taiwan is a chinese territory period. it's an undisputed fact according to the international law. no matter how you want to spin it, the fact is still there. taiwan issue at the core is an unfinished civil war. pure and simple. the status quo is inherently unstable across the strait. I believe it WILL come to an end one way or another within the decade.
@@raymondcyq the PRC never had sovereignty over the ROC to begin with
@@PLafala have a read in the ROC constitution and it’s history before even touch such topic. Thanks.
Taiwan (ROC) has advanced to a democracy unfortunately the rest of China is not allowed to catch up (even at Hong Kong or Shanghai) for the benefit of CCP members.
Mr Rudd we are not in china and i cant understand chinese. ..i missed a lot by your broken english.
the redline should be stay out of the other side's internal business and stay out of each other's influence sphere, say 2000 kilometers of each's turf.
he knows so much about China history and language but he never dares said once why Taiwan is a part of China. The West totally ignore the history between China and Taiwan. I think it's all about Taiwan people how to manage and to engage with China not letting the West to destroy this beautiful island.
It still is. Just a different Chinese government called the Republic of China that no one recognises, including Rudd’s own regime.
As long as less than 5% of Taiwanese want reunification and Taiwan is a democracy the West cant see Taiwan fall otherwise they will look weak.
Lol
Beijing has territorial issues with all the countries round it so the only way it can prevail in a possible military confrontation with the United States is in a dream
Lol.....U hit it right on the nail.
Incorrect. Beijing has settled border disputes with all neighbours except India, which just wants to keep the issue alive to have an excuse to hang out with the west.
@@wanghui562 you’ve opened border disputes in the South China Sea like how you’ve opened internment camps in Xinjiang. Do you not have a working vpn that gives you access to real news?
@@alandadestroyer4136 You are having a proxy war in Ukraine that will be as humiliating as the one in Afghanistan. You have committed genocides all over the Middle East, starving Afghan children as we speak. And of course, homeless people are rotting in LA an SF. What of their human rights? Everyone knows just how sociopathic the west is now. No one gives a sh what you have to say. We know you are sociopaths.
@@alandadestroyer4136 That aggressive rhetoric will do nothing when you lose hard power. I will tell you outright. All peoples who have invaded China historically have been genocided away, slowly. The anglo gene pool is doomed. It is all downhill from here for you.
1. I do not think that the US is concerned about the serious and catastrophic consequences of a war between the US and China . What the US wants is to destroy China's regime which the US does not like at all.
2. The US strongly believes that the liberal democracy is the best government system for the whole world, regardless of individual country's internal specific conditions...Whether the democracy system is suitable for each country is not its concern ( I want you to adopt it; the Vietnam war is a typical example )...
The US bully's attempt will ending up destroying it's own regime.
It is pure hypocrisy for the US to want other countries to adapt liberal democracy when the US itself is not a democracy.
It is a plutocracy or oligarchy. The US's plutocracy system is bringing down the US regime, regardless of which party is ruling.
1. The US wants to see the Fall of the Berlin Wall 2.0. If it happens, it will be the ultimate victory of the West over the East, of liberalism over authoritarianism. All obstacles before a free and full expansion of the Western liberal order over the globe will have been eradicated. China is the final boss. And it's not a question of which political order is correct or forever. It's just a question of which one will outlast the other. Whicher one wins this competition will be perceived as the correct system (or at least the more robust one) by the rest of the world. China's history is riddled with violent transfers of power, civil wars, and turmoil. We will see if China can delay its next one until after the collapse of the US, which has its own internal problems, in which case China's authoritarian system will probably be perceived as the correct one more suitable for human societies. Remember, though, that authoritarian regimes tend to collapse more violently than democracies. And China is already operating under a foreign system of government ("communism" and the Politburo system). The US is more averse to adopting foreign systems than China, which has a more pragmatic approach in part because of its lack of a different original option more fit to its own civilization.
2. The US is well aware that its political system is not good (or feasible) for all countries at all times. It can be destabilizing if imposed at the right time (i.e., the shock doctrine). But that's feature, not a bug, in the US's imperialist games.
they knows democracy is not suit china well. they just take it as an excause
Are we talking about comparing two different systems, democracy or dictatorship, or the clash of two powerful gangsters?
Two different systems. Xi is Satun and all his allies are his spawns
The conflict between China and the United States is structural. China wants development and the United States wants hegemony; China fears that U.S. hegemony impedes China's development, and the United States fears that China's development must threaten U.S. hegemony. This matter has nothing to do with so-called morality or human rights.
I dont totally agree. their major issues are 90% to do with Taiwan
China sees Taiwan as a critical part of its territory that must be reunited and see Taiwanese as being brainwashed and there is a giant plot to evil US imperialist's to use Taiwan as a pawn to weaken China.
Taiwan sees itself as flourishing democracy where its younger generation have grown up in a totally different political/social environment with a mixture of both Han/Taiwanese culture and dont have strong feelings towards China.
The US policy…is a completely failure. The US didnt realise how much Taiwan would change since they signed the Taiwan policy Act 50 years ago, thought China would just become a docile democracy like other western countries and forget about Taiwan or reunify peacefully, and now is stuck having to defend a democratic Taiwan or else it looking weak against a powerful China.
Your view is typical of someone educated by the CCP. Social Darwinism. After two world wars that nearly destroyed humanity, the West wants to establish a new system of rules. CCP and Han nationalist wants nothing of it. You want an Han Chinese imperialist system using economic and military forces.
No war !!!
War right now!
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Why isn't Mr. Rudd criticizing US imperialism and explains that China is the most peaceful and democratic country on earth and opposed to competition? Why doesn't he endorse the Chinese model of global collaboration and mutually beneficial relations? Why isn't he supporting the socialist system?
DO you live in China? how is China socialist when privileges' is given to people with 户口 and how is China a democracy when comments critical of the CCP on weibo, wechat and baidu are deleted?
@@mcb4067 1. It's CPC. You can't even spell what you are talking about.
2. How about you read socialist theory and study history. If you have to ask "How is China socialist?" followed by shitty propaganda memes like that then you haven't done even basic research on the matter. It's literally a question that's at the center of socialist political discourse and something the Chinese government itself has publicly debated since its inception. There are entire libraries full of books that answer your question. Hell, the Communist Manifesto itself answers your question. lol
3. Democracy and "muh freedom of speech" or whatever shitty Western ideological argument you just tried to imply aren't related. In fact, fake news and reactionary propaganda is detrimental to democracy.
You realize yourself that you lack independent and informed thought, don't you? You can't criticize that which you don't understand.
@@mcb4067 How is the US a democracy when comments considered politically incorrect get you fired or cancelled?
And the government is by the elite of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%?
It is because for all the fluency of his mandarin, for which he is constantly showing off, he is not aware or chose to ignore
Chinese history and culture, instead he thinks like a white man and participates in the same propaganda, just like the rest
of his race.
Just talk.Told you before DO
boohaw rudd. !
The issue with Honiara leaning towards Beijing is to do with the cult of PM Sogavare. A man who has a difficult relationship with Canberra in the past. Sogavare was PM of SI when John Howard was PM of Australia. That's how long Mr Sogavare has been in office.
USA would win. USA has something that China doesn’t which is a network of allies and partners. America would be fighting with allies like Japan, Taiwan and the rest of the five eyes while the most that China can hope for is fighting with foreign mercenaries from pariah states
Do u mean that USA is not a pariah dog with all the mortal sins that she carries.
Those allies fought in Korea war and they where defeated by the Chinese militia then one thing you may have forgotten is that the U S A, have to run from Afghanistan Vietnam Somalia, and invasion of Iraq Libya Syria what war have they won stacked in Iraq Syria thinking of when to cut and run.
@@franciskenyi3139 if your North Korean axis won the Korean war then there would be no South Korea today. To call you ignorant would actually be a compliment
@@franciskenyi3139 The US-PLA KD ratio was 4 to 1. The only place where the united nations was defeated by China in the Korean War is in a d grade Chinese propaganda movies.
@@jestersun9377 If the US gets into a war with China, China will not surrender to the US and its Allies, the US weapons will run out in this war, and it will not be a military first superpower. And what do you think the US will win? The US will eventually offer a peace treaty to China and lose the number one position in the world.
I always think he is MUCH more impressive as a Western leader talking about China than he was as PM (and yes, I do speak Chinese too). I REALLY want to ask him what he thinks the USA, Australia etc should do if the CCP tries to take Jinmen/Kinmen and/or Mazu/Matsu (islands controlled by Taiwan/ROC but really were once part of FuJian and not part of Taiwan before the PRC/ROC split).
Indeed, Senkaju Island cessed to Japan after the WW2 by US while ignoring the objection from China ( Taiwan then) n now both Taiwan n China claim this island. While US Japan collusion was base on the fact Japan once ruled Taiwan for 45 years..
I heard ppl saying. If u c 2 fish fight to death in the river, a british must walked by.
Uas is just one of british successor.
They will do nothing like what they did today to the U & R war.
I can answer this question for you. China wouldnt take those islands unless their leadership become very inept. Yes, those islands would be very easy for China to take. they could take them tomorrow.
But there are three main reasons .
1) is that those islands are mostly pro-China anyway - and would just give more voting power to the…”anti-China” forces.
2) it would give the US a chance to rally support and to justify a counter-response that would hurt much more than the island’s value - either put sanctions against China or put troops from Okinawa on Taiwan. Both options still aren't great for the US but good for Taiwan.
3) On Taiwan itself it would be a wake-up call to Taiwan’s military and make a real invasion harder without brining China any closer to actually controlling Taiwan.
The best choice for China is to take the islands during a full scale invasion - or just go right pass them and deal with them later.
Are you using Braille to write this comment? Impressive is the wrong word, narcissitic yes.
This is all very nice. I just hope the same talk can be given at Beijing or Shanghai where Chinese audiences can hear what you have to say.
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@@chdk55christidonny6 Chinese government-led operatives continue to disseminate geopolitical stories in favor of the Chinese Communist Party and comment propaganda about Hong Kong politicians. Similarly, Chinese agents are targeting Taiwanese, American, Japanese governments and politicians.🇯🇵🇺🇦🇯🇵
@@chdk55christidonny6 Chinese agents seek to develop a limited "political dominance" propaganda of own allies other than human rights issues.🇯🇵🇺🇦🇯🇵
That’s so DELUSIONAL. Where do you get such US GARBAGE propaganda? Are you high on oxycodone and fentanyl? US PRESIDENTS DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICANS AND US MILITARY, with their PET POODLES, UK PM, Canada PM, Japan PM, Australia PM, Ukraine President ZELENSKY, had PERPERTRATED THE WORLD’S Wars, Manufactured Viruses as BIOCHEMICAL Weapons, Diseases, and KILLED MILLIONS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.
Indeed a good speaker without reading the script.
7:27 - Pogrom?
The captions say ‘Program’ but he actually says pogrom. What exactly have the US security authorities done that he refers to with such a strong, loaded term?
As a Chinese living in the US for 30 years, I have seen this country going down to the hell after wars with Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, ... Mr. Rudd, please don't encourage US to fight with China. China is much bigger than all of those countries combined. I don't think the US has enough resources to fight with China from any perspective. Maybe Mr. Rudd could ask Australian militaries to fight with China if you hate China so much, but not the UA. China is not the second largest economy in the world as many western politicians like to think. China is already the biggest economy in the world. China probably is 1.5 times of the size of the US if you look at all the economical data of both countries. Ironically, I don't think China is a socialist country, but the US is truly a socialist country instead. Things are twisted by biased opinions.
they pretended not known
as an Australian working teaching here in China. Teaching VCE [Victorian Certificate of Education]...this lecturer is very good ...have been in a privileged position to see China first hand. I think Kevin is correct...going to see if I can get his book.
It’s a very well thought out book, well written, and easy to read for hours at a time.
@@pac1fic055 well I must get it ...if we are sharing books..if you would like to understand Australian first peoples have a read of Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe...not related to this topic but also an academic topic made easy to read and well argued points.
@@janegarnham - I’m only familiar with the Great Emu War 😉. I’ll be sure to check out your recommendation.
I am surprised you teach English as from your comment, you need to be taught remedial English yourself it seems. Hand ✋ I presumed not had.
Teaching not teachin and the Victorian Certificate of Examination. VCE is a pronoun and should have capitalised first alphabet. Please don't teach bogan English. The bogans must be purge from the great Southern land so that the First Nation people can claim "what is and what will always be" their land.
Great insights and Thankyou for your continual teachings you give us all to try and make some reason out of this washing machine world we cannot turn of at present. I hope you are right with your deterrent ideal.
An informative talk by an astute and seasoned individual. A session on China and India would be welcome.
"The Hon. Kevin Rudd, president and CEO of Asia Society, served as Australia's 26th Prime Minister from 2007 to 2010, then as Foreign Minister from 2010 to 2012, before returning as Prime Minister in 2013." Foreign viewers should know Rudd became prime minister after he led the Labor Party to victory in 2007. His dissatisfied party dumped him a leader prior to the 2010 election. His successor Gillard made the mistake of making Rudd foreign minister during which time he proceeded to undermine her. He resigned as foreign minister in 2012 after an unsuccessful bid to unseat her but was then able focus all his efforts on bringing her down. He finally succeeded in 2013 and for 83 days he had a second term as PM. Labor was defeated in a rout in the election and Rudd fled parliament to do other things. One was to be UN secretary-general, a bid is own country refused to back. His own party, then in opposition, had this to say about Rudd's ambitions to take over the world: "'I can think of 12 Australians off the top of my head who would be a better secretary-general, and one of them is my Labrador" said party heavyweight Kristina Keneally.
how many Australians parliament members speaks chinese?
@@ruoyuli4091 Three have flagged they speak Chinese as a consequence of their heritage. There may be others. There was a story that during one of Rudd's arse-licking visits to China he spoke in a form of Chinese that was akin to Shakespearean English. Told his host they were having a mutual orgasm. Apparently his host did not think it mutual because our relationship with China deteriorated under Rudd, as it did with Japan, India and the US after he took Australia out of the Quad as a suck-up to China. Wasn't crash hot with New Zealand after the deplorable leaking of an assessment for Helen Clark. Indonesia might have been touchy too if they knew under Rudd we were tapping the phone for the first lady. He was a great diplomat.
@@davidcarter4247 According to anglos, chinese is the hardest language to learn in the world. even though 1/5th of the world speaks it. Kevin is just trying to other anglos that chinese can be cracked. :)
@@ruoyuli4091 Rudd is not the only non-Chinese who can speak Chinese. Anglos, as you call us, have the benefit that most of the world they need to talk to speaks English. Unless you need to deal with China frequently and professionally, as Rudd did as a diplomat, there is no reason to learn it. Instead learn a language you might use on holidays in a free country. French, German, or Spanish for example.
Thank you for vocalizing your realist opinions and Western cultural perspectives on this issue.
"western cultural perspectives"
Mr. Rudd
I think you still live in 20th century.
Why
@@igor-yp1xv how much do you know about China.
@@fredwang9565 somewhat more than what's covered in the news, not deeply
@@igor-yp1xv try to read James Bradley's book call The China Mirage.
@@fredwang9565 🤣🤣🤣Are you a Mao worshiper? James Bradley is. 🤣🤣🤣 Bradley in this book argued that instead of being forced by the Pearl Harbor attack, the US declared war on Japan because of China lobby.
It's getting tiresome to hear Rudd flaunt his Mandarin language skills by interspersing every other sentence with phrases in Mandarin. OK, we got it: he speaks Mandarin though not as fluently as he wants us to believe he does. The guy is, apparently, very vain and he needs a reality check.
My thoughts exactly.
True...and the name dropping
A reply: @Jesse Chen well said as a Chinese diaspora in US with real experience.. n I guess u are in the mid Thirty or early forty..
Good that u speak up which is very seldom from young American Chinese..
What u have said is the reflection of the Abuse of American Exceptionalism that is firstly the manifestation of the weaknesses in the current US secondly it is no longer sustainable having competition from emerging nations ...( Blaming China is just an easy playbook to captivate the Imagination of the complacent n ignorant American masses.. )
The big motivation for Chinese is the Century of Humiliation plus past 73 years of sanction, embargo, slander n demonization while it was a mutual win win for US n China trade cooperation base on cheap labour from China in exchange to import technology from US n the West.. amidst sanction n embargo on high technology n investments..in comparison, the US ..extreme extravagance, wastage n spoiled by a welfare system while forgetting they are the beneficiaries of past atrocities of imperialism, forced slavery, genocide , unilateral hegemony via manifestation by US Military Industrial Complex together with the capitalism that had exploited the capitals n talent from the world ( Huawei achievement is a classic example of a challenger to US technology dominance.. n there will be more. Just like Google, Facebook insisted on defying China policy to exist in China market ( not being banned as being dis-informed ) n now China has it's own social internet platforms.. ( it is the rights of nations to nurture it's own indigenous industries to avoid domination by foreign entity n potential security backdoor as US tried very hard to contain Huawei while the worse is to intimidate other nations to gang up against Huawei..)
It is great n constructive to speak up to tell the story from the opposite side of the coin to nurture basic understanding, mutual influence n mutual expectation as part of narratives for communities with a common shared future ..this is amazing that Xi/China Government advocate sharing prosperity with world communities while the first step is inculcate Chinese cultural confidence..( this is lacking in US n Collective West mainly because their democratic doctrine is to avoid indoctrination against individualism while using Scape goating playbooks to divert their failures..)..
Thank u for giving me this opportunity to add value..
So much self importance self idolising( know it all) its very un Australian and definately not a true labor representative.
All are about selling books, Today Scholars are poor,
Jinping the 🤡
It is alarming that the young generations have totally forgotten the teachings of history. Remember the year beginning 1950 when the US was in its heydays of dominating power newly emerged from its great victory of the world war 2. At that time, the US was all confident that it could easily conquer the entire Korean Peninsula ignoring the China factor because it was so weak and poor then. But, apparently the US World War 2 generals were surprised how tough it was to fight with China even during its weakest time. And now with a "peer competitor" China, is the US leadership going to make even bigger mistakes again? Please go back and study the entire Korean war history again before contemplating a total war with China. No one can afford to have another surprise in a modern war between big powers. A sure result of US-China all-out war will mean the demise of US Empire, if the earth survives at all. Kevin's book selling, of course, would be meaningless!
SunZhi advised 'knowing yourself and your enemy, win hundred battles'. America should learn more deeply about China, then it might come to love its culture and people.
Big talking only
Kevin, US and China have engaged in this so called strategic dialogue for the past two decades. Does it work? China’s political aspirations is to rewrite the western rule based world order at least in Asia if not the whole world? Does these aspirations need to be accommodated? Can strategic dialogue resolve these differences?
China with Russia will ensure it will be a multipolar world. The old US hegemony is dead after this Ukraine war. If Russia and China is to combine militarily, they can actually rule the world. But of course China will not do it as it is not China's gene to do that through the centuries.
Could you describe what you mean by "rules based order"?
The non0western world do not aspire to continue being under this western dominated world order. Just continue your decline gracefully.
@@archangel7052 I think he means the world under USA based order of capitalism and China's system
Although you have been in China for many years, you still know China in surface.
He still treat China as it was 30 years old as a white Anglo Saxon man , all Chinese should bow and knee before the west . This is “BOO SHEEP”. Not do I not know the words but this comment will be taken away by the prejudice western control!
the western countries, under the hegemony of the United States, are facing many external and internal risks: 1.1 external conflicts with Russia (which I call the bear risks) in one hand; and with China (which I Call the Dragon risks)on the other hand 2.1 internal risks , the fracture in American society.
In my opinion and for the benefit of the world, American political leaders must be aware of the reality of the new multi polar world and start a deep corrective actions to the democracy system within the US political order , then try to manage peacefully the global relations between US , China and Russia
“a deep corrective actions to the democracy system within the US ”, highly unlikely.
Your recommendation is misguided as China today is the fourth rech
No china = no problem
You'd have nothing to wear bro. You'd be stark naked.
Oh really...how many countries US invaded???
Bro, burying your head in the sand ??
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As a Chinese student who was born in China but moved to the US at a young age, I see that people in China generally never had negative views about the US until Trump's presidency. The US has long been using China's market, resources, and labor to create profit for many major US companies, but the US also says China is hurting the US economy. The US has benefited greatly by having top talents from China and India, but the US people again often discriminate against them whenever there is an excuse. In fact, more and more Americans are complaining instead of working. More and more US citizens criticize gov, but no one wants to work in the gov and make a difference. It is the Indians and Chinese who traveled around the world to the US and put their effort into silicon valley. If you look around in a US library, you will see that Asian students are studying. US gov often shift the blames they received from its citizen to blame other countries, so the internal issues never get resolved. When will the financial issues be resolved? The US has dollar dominance and strong financial institutions, but it never served the middle class. The money the US gained from weapons and foreign trades never land in the future of the middle class. When the middle class fails to pay their bill, you blame China. When the economy goes bad because lack of planning and support, you blame China. When the US fails to train/gain skilled labor, you blame China. I still remember that I was the only one who actually take notes of the teacher's lesson in my American high school. The American kids only liked to play and have fun in school, and they never truly appreciated their teachers. My American high school teacher constantly tells me how badly he was treated by the students and their parents. Now, the US is in shortage of competent high school teachers. Could you also blame China for it? I loved the old America where people fought together for a greater vision and future, and the leaders were smart enough to set a great example for their people. Instead, you have a group of people who resists improvements in the political system, and they tried to make everything political and fearful to make people live in fear and anger. Therefore, the real issue in this country gets kept hidden. These people's kids get to become richer and richer, while the poor people grow weeds and conduct a crime. Then they show mercy, and they tell the world how great and kind they are. The US has a lot of kind people, but it needs real leaders. The world doesn't need NATO or a war, the world needs a common vision and group of leaders who care less about the competition but care more about the development of their own people and community. The SF leaders rarely visited homeless shelters. The Republican leaders in TX paid the least attention to reducing the covid effect in TX.
I see it is the opposite. China has never invaded a country during its prime when it was so easy for it to take over all the small countries around it during Tang Dynasty. Instead, China traded with neighbors and shared its technologies and crafts. Chinese people never believed in the power of the military, and it was the US who constantly stir up war between countries in Asia, middle-east, and the EU to fight each other. The US would sell weapons and call for peace at the same time. Let's not forget about the lies US reporters brought back home to encourage the slaughter in middle-east. Let's not forget how many times US military ships run into other countries' seas without permission. Have you ever seen a Chinese person go out of their way to discriminate against others or bully others? I have seen people in the US do it all the time.
Is Kevin Rudd the most humiliating Australian produced since Federation?
Hes great!
Unless China ditches its plan to imitate Hideki Tojo and remold Asia into its little own co prosperity sphere warwith it is pretty much assured
Self-delusion is prevalent among the Americans and the West. The reality is, no country (other than Japan and Germany) has killed more people than the USA, the superpower in massacre. All the facts are out there, yet you had chose to ignore. How pathetic.
and assured those who take on China will be history for certainty.
Last I check it was China that was totally destroyed by the west so called league of 8 nations, including fascist imperial Japan.
Interesting, that US is now allied with ex -Nazi Germany and ex-fascist Japan, together their NATO club has pretty much instigated 99% of all wars since WW2, but we are told we should be fearful of China?
What are you smoking?
Banzai came from Japan so dont act dumb n use war criminals from japan as examples!
Just as The US has avoided war by slowing Latin America do their own thing
As long as your on the front line I will be very happy
america has a bad military record fighting asians. If not for the atomic bombings of japanese cities in 1945, the tenacious japanese would not have surrendered. In 1950, america coerced united nations to invade korea and the fighting was stalemated in 3 years . In the 60's, america invaded vietnam; vietnam defeated america in 1975. In 2001 america invaded afghanistan ;afghanistan defeated america in 2021
Successive american governments thinking since 1945 has been that asian lives are expendable and their invasions of asian countries would not elicit global outrage whether they are japanese, koreans,vietnamese, afghans.
Asian lives matter.
a related issue that can help analyze this topic is why the Chinese CCP government continues to lie about the actual consequences to its soldiers from its skirmishes with Indian soldiers in the galwan valley
What lie? If you have provable information, post it here!!
Haha you don,t know about propaganda war ? Look at cnn news on Ukrainia
Thats nonsense.
chinese has videos and returned the numerous indian captives to the indian side. yeah china lost the that fight. lol
FYI the score is Chinese PLA 4 useless Indian 20 dead. This is the count of the skirmish.
His thesis ideal. No footnote heaven !!
Funny to see a white man trying to teach others about China. White man whom only speak English will NEVER understand China. China is a 5000 year civilization and the way they think is very different to a white man with 200 years civilization. Totally different wave length. The chinese knows exactly how a white man think but no white man will ever understand the complexity of a chinese brain
So much unnecessary dialogue to fill in the time ,someone that believes he knows it all does not need to keep filling the transcript with I really know it all ,do they really believe me??I am not sure If I comvinced myself let alone convincing the listeners.
Don't worry, Anglo-Saxons shall rule for another thousand years.
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Good
The true evil one is the US and Aus. Absolutely imperialism
I just hope someone could have written a book named Avoidable war - Ukraine. The World leaders including Putin and Biden should feel ashamed that they could not resolve their conflicts through diplomatic means, unlike the last conflict in Cuba, but to have wasted so many human lives for their own national interests.
I agree
Guess most Chinese know who 陆克文is☺️ He's put on some weight😊
Sadly, Kevin Rudd works and gets his salary from a US think tank in NY. He presents the point of view of his "paymasters" and totally ignores the fact that the destruction and misery the US dominance brings, especially for Yemenis, Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, Palestinians and the many countries in south America. ( Basically he is just another paid US puppet )
If Kevin's tactics are as good as his attempt to be prime minister of Australia and his view of China, then I recommend you runaway.
Kevin Rudd certainly knows more about China than most westerners for obvious reasons: he speaks moderate mandarin and has number of chinese friends, but he is now entering in the phase of understanding China - China's heart and soul, that's where he is stuck and bewildered, why? because he couldn't give up his own prejudice over non-western cultures, his arguments are legitimate, but his proposals are misleading and some of them won't work because he misunderstood China and it's polictical system. Chinese political philosophy is indigenous thinking at its heart and maxism as a tool of analyzing the world, chinese value in essence is about 'Independence, Respect and Prosperity'. Every ordinary Chinese people will fight for it, that's manifested in their thousand years history. Taiwan and South China Sea are one of those red lines. If US crossed those redlines, China would start a war with US, if you doubt it, look at Korean war, Vietnam war decades ago.
And you lost the both of them with tens of thousands dead! Don't think you represent the Chinese because you are Chinese!
My sentiments too.
Knowing a language and peppering his (Kevin's) talking with some Chinese phrases, unveiled that he knows that he is largely foreign to "Chinese thinking"; thus the need to "prop" them with Chinese phrases, in the hope that it could "pull wool" over non-Chinese, to be someone who is an insider of Chinese way of thinking. (It's like someone, who knows English language, e.g. yours truly, and claims to be an expert in "Anglo-Saxon thinking". Hilariously inept in his façade, esp. for someone whom I would have thought ought to be more slick in it. 😂
China, unless forced to by stronger powers, did NOT in its history actually display any "Respect and Prosperity" for other nations and had a long history of subjugating other nations to pay it tributes. Even its name, the Middle Kingdom, reflects this self-centric world view held by China for millennia.
if China can win against America then a beggar can win a trip to the moon
Plaese pick those homeless from USA first.we the rest are happy to stay here!
Perhaps you can tell me how US can beat China while I say China will demolish the US no sweat .
Believe or not. Anyway relax , China is very kind will not hurt US unless no choice.
So thank China for being kind.
Well US already lost to poorer nation last one was Afghanistan. Where have you been?
Like US forces running down South during Korean War?
Yes, the fact is those beggar is winning the trip to the moon soon.
Kevin loves to waffle
It is true, Taiwan is becoming more and more the staring point for a world war. Maybe not right now but probably as soon as the world connectivity is ready. While Russia goes through the Mediterranean. Israel through northern Africa and the mediterranean. The US and Russia in security alliance from Vladivostok/Alaska to Japan, the Asian Pacific from Iran, Myanmar, Indonessia to Korea. The UK with the US to Asia by the north-west. Once the clamps are ready Taiwan becomes the epicenter or the biggest stake for the world logistics.
U can see Kevin 180 degrees change towards China is because he's been paid by the US......now his just another US lapdog. Sad
Wick!
💩 all lies 😆
White boloney.
Bing shou that's a mean thing to say, stop being racist.
as an aussie . its amazing the obvious distinction between krudds decorum and inteligence compared to whatever our leader is today . a slugg . like from one era to another its like black and white or . big d energy rudd and tunbull . then invereted d scomo and albo.
Speaking mandarin for what ! meaningless .
Can you converse well in English ? I bet you nowhere compared to him.
What a blinkered view you have here. It enhances his speech.As at now, this has been viewed by 40K+, many who may be bi-or even tri-lingual. Unlike simpletons like you who understand English only. You poor, sorry 1 Dimensional sod!!
learn chinese
OVER THINKING, OVER TALKING,
But this stuff isn't easy. And I recko he isn't overthinking about something this big and complex
@tsai the jinping slayer A strong nation does not need to call upon others to support, from the days UN membership changed from Taiwan to Mainland China n for the past 73 years being encircled, contained, sanction, trade n investment embargo, slandered, demonized n missiles attacked in 1999 in Yugoslav Chinese Embassy with 3 killed, yet China had to keep quiet n 忍气吞声..however now the second largest economy n biggest trading partners for 150 nations having its own Beido Satellite Navigation System n Space Station.. with 3.1 Trillion USD foreign reserves compared to 33.3 trillion US national debts with 1 trillion owed to China.. though strategic partners is important, but strength within one self is the key.. especially the strength that is sustainable n continuously being enhanced, enriched n value added, even most of the more than 60 million Chinese diaspora are appreciating n enjoying the redeemed dignity n self esteem of their ancestral ethnicity after the Century of Humiliation but at least 60% of Taiwanese felt disowning their Chinese ancestry n collude with its democratic allies of about 28 Western plus 1 Asian nation merely as labdog for US unipolar hegemony in particular one of the only 4 Asian nation that sanction Russia as dictated by US... Being 汉奸 n running dog, as accomplice for rogue n corrupt unipolar hegemonic dominance .. devoid of moral n ethical fabric for common goods of the world but selfish agenda.. this is global gangerism ..must be ashamed to be associated with these modern hegemonic imperialism gang ..