The Tier List Is DEAD: Why Do We Need A New Grading System? - Romancing SaGa re;UniverSe

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  • The old tier list system is dead, and we needed a new grading system that could adapt the current times, and here is why
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ความคิดเห็น • 46

  • @neoflux3000
    @neoflux3000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Can you explain how the new system isn't just renaming tiers, where OP = 5.0, SSS = 4.5, etc. I do agree a tier list for this game is useless, as there is almost no opportunity for new players to get previously released units, making them irrelevant no matter how good they may be.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Aside from the "Too many "S"s being a little confusing" there's a new mentality as well. For example: too many new styles would be classified as OP grade at release, like Apollo, Subier and others, but with the new system I try to evaluate them with their lasting value as well, since many styles even if they seem OP at first they just won't stay meta for too long or can be instantly replaced with the next powercreep.

    • @alexfixing7535
      @alexfixing7535 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe the new system gives the styles more weigh in, where as saying a style gets a system rating but under preforms during current content. Maybe see it as an easier shift or justifiable means to lower it from 4.5 to 4. Wouldn't make sense to lower a sss/op unit down a whole tier even though its still considered a sss/op unit outside of the particular challenge your trying to complete.

  • @--_-__-___---_
    @--_-__-___---_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The ratings don't really matter to me, but your comparisons to similar characters and what they offer compared to each other has been the most helpful for me.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you, I try to cover the most ground

  • @12exstar
    @12exstar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    26 august if not agree, so i agree as personally, is the start for when each banners almost all of it, when rs2 characters release such as medea, maria, and after that onward through now is almost every character is meta, with jo as you said alongside with Liz that is release together at december 2023, that change the game much more, the goes to matriarch last weeks.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      indeed, the game has been having more "meta" units as it just keeps adding more and more roles to a single char

  • @99stamina31
    @99stamina31 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks Scher! I never used Tatyana on any Romancing challenges and I can't put anymore the Matriarch in my teams since the bosses buffs break again and again. Gerard and Roc are the current 5/5 styles, next to Julian the goat. Kichachi got some nice competitions. Even Swift is not so op any more on long battles. Darius may deserve a 5/5 too

    • @Julian-fs2rh
      @Julian-fs2rh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buff breaking again and again is only an issue when the boss punishes buffing (ie. SC210, Dragonlord). Like debuffing is still very important even though bosses constantly Defy Weakness.

    • @TsimKeebTxuj
      @TsimKeebTxuj 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It seem boss is only removing attitbute buff only. Attack, defense buff still, still variable and current boss still can't remove them yet. There are some new unit in Japan that give OP buff that boost your damage into the million damage after buffing a few turn.

  • @salime01
    @salime01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tier list of OP , SS, S grade is actually adopted from japanese wiki page. And they arrange it further into main category such as Farming (Lap battles) , Romancing fights, General/ standalone units. It is more simplified version and people know where to look. With your new grading system having 4.5 or 4 out of 5 that does not explain much. For my case, im still referring to japanese grading system and having watch your unit review video helps in making decission. Whatever you do, i support it 😊

  • @jra2games468
    @jra2games468 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After playing this game for 2 days (newbie), for me the valuable unit is the one with a follow up attack unit (aoe=farming/single target=boss killer), bp battery unit, a unit that can buff entire party + debuff the enemy (aoe/single target debuff)...

  • @sluc26
    @sluc26 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Scher, I'm still very interested in watching your future analysis of characters. Whatever the grading system there is always some good points I missed. The videos help me (IMO) to make a decision of pull or not based on the actual bosses mechanics but also future mechanics (JP tier lists help me in parallel to 'predict' or 'anticipate' the future mechanics for high difficulty fights). As you know I'm a fervent adept of tier list for Remembrance battles. It help me to lvl my favorite 5-10 characters per weapon with a particular focus on next rem hard challenges.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad to be of help, future planning always help those that want to beat content ASAP specially rem, I'm excited for the very hard challenges

  • @seujai415
    @seujai415 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Too bad the guy who updated the spreadsheet is now too busy. I hope they find peace in Gongaga. Tier list for current game has become pretty useless now anyways since power creep has jumped so much from before and there is now an essay to read just for one passive.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this guy named Seujai has gone to GONGAGA for too long, I hope he returns to play the game sometimes u.u

  • @joshuayoung1231
    @joshuayoung1231 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the explanation!

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you're welcome!

  • @alexfixing7535
    @alexfixing7535 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I can agree with the logic on the new tier system, we all know as new challenges come around the party changes to suit the needs to accomplish as such. I love your content, its helped me out in a few jams lol. We need new azami or at least make her usable.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thank you! Yeah I think now we need more styles to cover more ground but it's at least not the same thing all the time

  • @TsimKeebTxuj
    @TsimKeebTxuj 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since the global versions getting closer to the Japanese version, those japanese OP buff and healer unit will be releasing soon and those will break the 10 million damage cap on our current global version.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oh yeah, current JP is insane!

  • @jay00721
    @jay00721 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The power creep
    At this point I'll just pull for my favorite characters. SF1 👍

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      always pulls for faves here and there

  • @Fishman465
    @Fishman465 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm watching this for ideas about the current SS style exchange
    Though in games like this, a simple tier list won't do due to varied nicbes
    I've seen in other games some do a list or general grade and an explanation

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      check my new video about the selectors

  • @anotsu1er224
    @anotsu1er224 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What i like in some grading system is rating for farming, hl content or else.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thing is, grinding value has decreased drastically on recent times

  • @nowisready9727
    @nowisready9727 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tier list is not necessary for me because
    1.Tier list can change everytime
    2.some unpopular SS style are useful for clear some bosses (in gl server this is near to burst & chain damage Era, they'll make you much more comfortable)
    3.the boss weakness in each level are different
    Note : from point 1 number of style is very a lot. If he make tier list, he will tired

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      indeed, the powercreep is too fast

  • @salime01
    @salime01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With the new grading system, where does Labelle Hotspring refer to?

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I won't review old units as it would just be a tier list again, but Labelle at this point would still be a 4.5 I believe as she is meta enough but not really a must have since her role can now be performed by different characters

  • @jrock29136
    @jrock29136 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ngl, if u drop tat in your 5 out of 5, then maka 100 percent belongs. She can easily out dps tat even if she doesn't get all her follow ups off. She is insane damage dealt and imo, and i do have both, is much stronger than tatiyana.

    • @salime01
      @salime01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah..Maka is outclassed by Urpina and Kihachi. Sadly she is only damage dealer and does not offer much in the future. Dps unit is easily replaceable

    • @jrock29136
      @jrock29136 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @salime01 lol Maka is not is not inany way out classed by urpina, Maka does more damage than urpina even in the 1st 8 turns she gets with her buff, and after those turns, Maka completely thrashes urpina in damage. And she rivals kimachi in damage when she does get all her follow ups. Kimachi isn't hitting for a million a hit 3 times in a row like she does then double casts it. Kimavhi might out damage Maka slightly.

    • @jrock29136
      @jrock29136 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One thing people forget with Maka, is she is identical to sumire old style where every attack she gains bp back, she is basically self a sustaining dps. And Maka wrecks with the debuff from kimachi. Maka is quite literally imo kimachi best dps to run with. Either her or ferdinard for the big burst damage.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hmmm the problem with Tatyana is that content has been countering here utility but she isn't weaker than Maka, and Maka isn't a must have as she doesn't bring a gimmick for different squads or breaks anything, she is just very strong and this will be the same for all damage dealers from now on

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the problem is that if we see with the eyes of today Maka is very strong or even Ferdinand... next week comes and then... boom another better damage dealer comes and skipping Maka had no effect in most accounts, but you can still have fun with the character, it's just not a game changer

  • @Polar_R3X
    @Polar_R3X 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video ^_^

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thank you

  • @jrock29136
    @jrock29136 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    also, apollo is 5 out of 5 easily.

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if we were following the onld mentality yes for sure, on top of damage... but damage really isn't going to last in the way the game is moving forward

  • @stabar9730
    @stabar9730 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just do anything tier list, old tier list be good for me

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it was dropped

  • @sykkunowithglasses8241
    @sykkunowithglasses8241 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it dead

    • @ScherBR
      @ScherBR  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and gone